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The Stories We Tell Ourselves · Neighbourly: Real Stories of Care and Community

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One time there was a CarePortal request that came in for TV and there
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were some questions that came from some church responders on why the
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family was requesting a tv because they didn't quite see how that was
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a vital need, you know? And typically the requests that come in are
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maybe urgent things. Yeah. From the outside, someone might think
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that's not essential. Like, why would they ask for that when there's so many
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other needs that they probably have? But we take for granted that sense of
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normalcy. It's normal for a family to have a tv and they
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need those rhythms. It might be rest.
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Every one of us has done it. We see one moment,
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one decision, one reaction, one messy situation,
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and without even meaning to, we start writing a whole story
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about someone. Maybe they're irresponsible,
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Maybe they don't care. Maybe they should have known better. Maybe
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they're just difficult. But what if there's more going on than what we
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can see? Hey, everyone. I'm Johan, the producer of
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Neighbourly. Today. Shannon and myself are stepping back from our
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regular guest interviews for another reflective episode. And we're talking
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about assumptions, the stories we tell ourselves about people
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before we really know them. And this isn't a conversation where we're
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the experts, where either of us are pretending we've figured this out.
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It's more of an honest look about how easily we fill in the
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blanks and how Neighbourly Care invites us to slow down, stay
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curious and see the person right in front of us, not just the
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problem. Before we join Shannon at the table, we believe
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stories stick with us. They can change lives and they can
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Shannon and I at the table for this conversation.
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Shannon, we're back at it. We are.
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Woohoo. Yeah. Another one of those episodes where we get to
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step back from our regular interviews and just kind of reflect on some of the
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things that we've been hearing. What are we going to be talking about today?
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Today we are talking about assumptions and some of the
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stories that we tell ourselves about other people
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before we have a chance to know them. And as
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I was preparing for this and thinking about just being
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honest, like ways I've done that before. And so I don't think
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either of us are coming at this from a place of, like, we
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have it all figured out and everybody else is doing it wrong. I think
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we see over the years how we've learned in
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different ways, and now through the work we do, you know, we get to
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keep seeing that and providing some. Hopefully some
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education and some opportunities for people to
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see the human in one another a little bit more than
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maybe jumping to a conclusion about. About someone.
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Yeah. I think we all have our assumptions, and I assume the more you
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do care Portal requests a lot of those assumptions about
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people, they diminish over time, even, right? Absolutely.
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Well, Shannon, let's just start off. What are some harmless
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assumptions people might think about you that aren't totally
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accurate? Because people have assumptions about all of us, Right? Yeah. One
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I've heard before is that people assume I'm always,
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like, extroverted and always energized by others.
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And I am, to a point. Like, I love talking to people. I love
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connecting. I love learning and understanding
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what makes someone who they are. And I can be,
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especially in places where I'm comfortable, I can be pretty carefree. But
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other people and group settings really only energize
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me to a point. And as soon as I hit that point, then people start
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to train me. And so I. I sometimes just need to go and have time
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and space on my own. Yeah, I can really relate to that, too.
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I'm kind of the same way where I need to recharge after. For me, I
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think people often assume that because I work in podcasting and they hear my
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voice online. I mean, you too, but. And
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that I've been in leadership, I've done preaching and all these things. I must be
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great at talking to people. I must be great at meeting new people. But
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honestly, I feel like that's one of my biggest weaknesses. I do
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know how to turn it on, though. When I'm in a group, I can make
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people laugh. I can ask questions and get curious, which
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is probably the biggest first step to actually communicating with people
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is asking good questions, but connecting
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personally with no agenda. That's where it gets really
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challenging. Because I hate small talk as well. Like, I can
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interview someone for an hour because I've had a chance to prepare for that and
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I've interviewed other people. Right. But small talk in a lobby, where you're just running
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into someone, or they approach you at church and you're in the. In the lobby
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and want to start a conversation, and they start talking about the Weather.
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I'm like, oh, not another weather conversation. So why
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do you think people are so quick to fill in the blanks about others?
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Yeah, I sat with this question for a long time, and I struggled to really
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even, like, make sense of why. Like, why do we do this?
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But as it kind of went further, even in my own self, I
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think we, especially in today's world,
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we're not great at sitting or tolerating with
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uncomfortable feelings or uncomfortable situations,
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and we don't like unknowns. We want things to be pretty
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black and white or right and wrong. And. And so sitting with
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some complexity, I don't think is our default.
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And this might not be true for everybody, but I think sometimes I
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see. Again, even just in myself, I tend to think
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kind of linear. Like, I see something, a behavior or a situation,
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and my default is, well, there must be a clear reason for that.
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You know, because of XYZ or they're acting this way, you know, just because
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of they're annoying or something. You know, this, like, clear cut point A
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to point B. And that's not
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usually the case. Yeah, that makes total sense. Even as a
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podcast person. Like, that's one of the reasons why we're actually
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doing Neighbourly is because we want to make those stories known so
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that there are less assumptions. And. And we want people to know
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there's always a story behind everyone's life. Right. And the thing
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is, we like clean stories. We like things to make sense quickly, but
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real people almost never fit into those clean categories. Like,
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people are messy, and real life's not a podcast episode that I get to
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edit afterwards. People are not edited episodes.
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And I try to keep real to these stories when we do these interviews
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as well, to keep the real voice and keep the honesty. But. But you.
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You can. You can always remove some of my extra fillers, you know?
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Yeah, the people don't need to hear that. The number of times I say, can
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we start over? Oh, exactly. So if
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anyone was hesitant to be on the podcast, we can edit
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all that stuff out. If you're afraid, don't worry. Yeah.
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And like you're saying, and I think that's where assumptions can be so dangerous for.
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We see one, One scene from someone's life, it might be the first time
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we encounter them. Our brain starts to try to connect those dots, and we
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try to assume, to understand the whole story. So why
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do assumptions happen so naturally? I mean, it's kind of like our previous
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question, but why does. Why is this so natural in us for us to have
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assumptions yeah, that's a great question. We're all coming from our own
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perspectives and our perspectives on life, and that is always going
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to be shaped by our worldview and our life
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experiences. And a lot of it is learned behaviors
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that we've seen from the people around us and
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people growing up and all these different things. And that's just the point of
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view that we move through life. And I
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think most people aren't intending to
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maliciously make an assumption about others, but it can
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happen almost automatically. And so I think that's really the
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core of this, is not to shame anybody for
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having an assumption. I think what we're really trying to help people do in
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this episode is pause and learn how to pause when
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we're making those assumptions. And instead of jumping to a conclusion,
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be a little bit more aware of ourselves and where that assumption
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might be coming from, a little bit preemptively. I
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think that's important. And you're right. I don't think most assumptions
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come from cruelty automatically. Sometimes they come from what someone
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has been taught in their home. Sometimes they come from what they've
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experienced. And quite often it comes from fear, just of the unknown, like
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you said earlier. And for me, sometimes they come from things we just really
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have. haven't taken the time to think deeply about before. And
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that's something I've had to learn over the years. That doesn't make assumptions harmless, but
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it does mean that we need to be honest about how easily these stories can
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form inside of us. So I just mentioned where I noticed it
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in myself or I just haven't had time to think deeply on a lot of
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these assumptions. Where do you notice it in yourself? Yeah,
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I'll be a. I'll be a guinea pig and put myself out
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there. One I see in myself that I'm constantly trying to
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work on and be aware of is when I'm out and about in public
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and I see parents and kids interacting.
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And one example might be, you know, I'm at the grocery store or a restaurant,
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and I see a parent respond to their child a certain way and
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think, ooh, like, that's not what I would do if I were a parent, you
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know, thinking I have all this experience and I must know better
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or, you know, even if I'm just interacting with someone and
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I might kind of put a label on them as, like, being a little bit
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more difficult to work with or talk with and
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just assuming that's who they are, like they're demanding or they're annoying
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or, you know, these. This is kind of the internal dialogue.
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And I say that not because I. I am proud
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of that by any means, but I'm trying to notice and be self aware in
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myself of that's where my kind of internal
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judgment starts to go. And those can be assumptions that I can
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make quickly without considering, oh, maybe that
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family's having a really hard day and that mom is doing the very
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best she can and that kid just did that thing again that she told them
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not to do. Or, you know, I'm, I'm with a person
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and they just had a phone call from a family member and they are really
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struggling. Like, I don't know if, but at the same time, that's
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where we can start to think of ourselves and just be like, oh, I'm justified
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and I would do it differently or I would do it better. And yet we
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just don't. We don't know. We don't know what's right underneath the surface.
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Yeah. That reminds me, when I used to work as an EA many, many years
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ago, there were times sitting in the staff room with the other staff where they
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talk about the students. There'd be a student that misbehaves on a regular
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basis or they'd act out. The staff would just assume like they don't care,
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that they're lazy, that they weren't raised well. I've actually heard them
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say, and this was heartbreaking when I've heard it, that that student is a waste
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of space. And my heart just broke when I heard that.
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Just knowing, like from a Christian perspective, that they are
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God's image bearers. Yeah. And the more I sat in the
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context, working with these students, asking them questions about
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their life. I mean, they don't often share much anyway.
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But I've heard about some of these students whose siblings went
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missing, or if they've witnessed violence in their home, or they had to
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protect their mom from her new boyfriend, Stuff like
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that. They're dealing with that. We just can't understand that context.
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Like, we've never been in a lot of that context. Yeah. So from the outside,
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the behaviors look like defiance and laziness, but underneath
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there's like, fear, there's trauma, frustration, shame,
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exhaustion. So a student not doing homework
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might look like laziness from the outside, but there's a real story
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of fear and trauma, like I was saying, and a learning disability
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sometimes where they're just, they. They really do care so much,
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but they have trouble reading, so it becomes really frustrating. And they act out
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behaviorally. Those are some of those assumptions that even
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caregivers, those in authority, like teachers,
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they have assumptions about students sometimes. I'm not painting everybody with this
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broad stroke, but there's some out there that are caring for these kids that just
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don't take the time to understand. So, Shannon, where do you see this show up
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in churches and neighborhoods and community care, especially working with Care
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Portal? Yeah. Something I've noticed in these
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environments, and this is often just under the surface a
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little bit, it's not something we'd maybe say outright, is
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that we, the collective, we, the church, the community, the
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neighborhood, can often assume what people need. And again,
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going back to what you're saying in the beginning, this isn't
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malicious, but it's sometimes just our default. And
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especially like me, if you're a helper, you want to fix things,
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you want to right wrongs, you can quickly jump into like, oh,
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well, I know what that family probably needs. An example of
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this is one time there was a CarePortal request that came in,
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and the request was for tv. And there were some questions that
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came from some church responders on why the family was
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requesting a tv, because they didn't. They didn't quite see
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how that was a vital need, you know, and typically the requests
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that come in are. Are maybe urgent things. And what
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they didn't know was that that family was needing a smart
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TV because it was going to have multiple purposes. One of their kids was going
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to be able to do something, some schoolwork, using that tv, and it could then
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also be used for other things. Yeah. And so when we see that request come
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in, we don't necessarily know the whole story.
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Another common one I can see show up in conversations
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with community and just in friendships even, is
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how people view homelessness. And sometimes the
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narrative is often, well, why don't they just go get a
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job? And from the outside, that's really,
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really easy to say. And. And I think for me, coming from a place
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of not experiencing poverty and not
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experiencing major hardship in my life, I kind of used to think that way
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too, of, like, well, you know, if you're able to stand outside
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with the sign, like, why. Why not just spend that time, you know, looking for
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a job? And I'm so glad that over the
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years, God has humbled me and I've kept my heart soft to
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remain curious and compassionate, because
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obviously now as I've been in this space a little bit
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and asked some more questions, there's so
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much beyond the person standing on the corner that I don't
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see. I don't know if they're battling active addiction or
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untreated mental illness, or they
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lack access to, you know, shower facilities or
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transportation to get to a job interview. We. There's so many
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factors that it is not as simple as just going and getting a
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job. And it, it can really oversimplify
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what people are navigating. Yeah, so that's one
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example where I've seen in my own self,
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learning and really wanting to help. Communities
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and churches look at themselves in that
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way as well. And again, not to shame anybody, but to
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help open our eyes to different perspective.
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Yeah, I've heard that phrase before too. Like, why don't they just get a job?
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And that's one of those clean story assumptions. Right. It gives,
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it gives a simple explanation, but it skips over so
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much complexity. And I think sometimes those simple
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explanations make suffering feel more manageable from a
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distance. Like we have the answers if they just got a job like that.
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It's simple and they give us no reason not to wrestle with those harder
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questions. And again, for me, it's thinking deeper on these things.
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But real care, as we've learned, really begins when
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we're willing to sit with that complexity, when we're willing to
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sit with that curiosity. The TV example that you
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gave, that's a great example. Because from the outside, someone might think
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that's not essential. Like, why would they ask for that when there's so many
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other needs that they probably have? But we take for granted that sense of
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normalcy. It's normal for a family to have a TV and they
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need those rhythms. It might be rest. It might be a
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time for a parent to connect with their child and have that connection time where
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their child's not distracted by something else or behaviors. They can just
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sit together in quiet. It might be creating that sense of
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home, because that's a normal thing to have in your home.
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This doesn't mean every request is simple, obviously, and it doesn't mean we
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can't ask wise questions. But neighborly care
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starts from curiosity, not suspicion. So I
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think we all just need to be more curious. Okay, let's shift the conversation a
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little bit and talk about the damage of assumptions.
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So if assumptions are often automatic, and if
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we all do this in different ways, then maybe the next question
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is what damage do assumptions actually do? Because I think
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assumptions create distance. We don't get
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closer to people because we have assumptions about them. They can reduce people
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to their worst moment, reduce them to their, to their need, their
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behavior or financial situation. We can reduce them to their
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parenting stress or Whatever visible struggle we happen to see. But, Shannon,
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how can assumptions keep us from seeing the person in front of us?
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I think you said it right there. We can see one moment and start
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to make this whole story in our head and. And then we end up missing
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the whole person that's standing right in front of us
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and start to maybe put
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a label on someone and start to define them by
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that one moment rather than really seeing
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them for the whole person that they are. Yeah. Because
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we all have bad moments, and if that's our first
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impression or our only impression someone gets of us, we walk away
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just cringing. It's like, oh, my goodness,
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that's what I put forward for this person. Some of these people
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live with that more often because of their situations. And that.
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That must be heart wrenching for them to live with that on a daily
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basis sometimes because there's so much more to them, Right?
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Absolutely. Yeah. So that makes me think about
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something smaller, but still real. People sometimes assume
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that I'm disengaged because I'm. When. When there's more than
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two people in a room and there's conversations, I'm usually
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the quiet one. Believe it or not, even at home, my wife has
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experienced this too. She'll ask me a question, and then there
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will just be silence, and it drives her crazy. The truth is, I'm
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not not listening. I'm usually processing because I.
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You know, biblically, you want to be slow to speak. Right,
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right, right. But I tend to need time to digest what people
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are saying. Mostly because I don't like the
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taste of my foot in my mouth. Yeah. But it's a small
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example of how easily we can misread people. We can
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misread silence. We can misread behavior, or we can misread
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tone. We can misread the struggle or the day that they're having.
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When we're at a grocery store and the teller's not smiling and
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grouchy, we can say, well, they're really bad at customer service. Maybe they're just having
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a bad day. Yeah. And once that label gets attached, it can be a
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lot harder for us to see a person clearly, especially if that's our first
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impression of them. So how does curiosity
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protect dignity? Yeah, it's a great question.
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I think. I think it protects dignity because curiosity
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helps us resist the urge to make somebody simple.
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And most people are carrying grief, pressure,
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history, often fear, even trauma.
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And these are all kinds of things that we can't immediately
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see. And curiosity also reminds me that my
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own perspective is limited. I might have an
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interpretation of someone's behavior, but that
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interpretation is definitely not the whole truth.
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And I think there's just something deeply dignifying about
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really listening and curiosity helps. Tell someone,
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I want to know you. And there is safety really
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here to be yourself. And I think when someone feels safe
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and you can be trusted with whatever it is they want to say,
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that's really where someone feels dignified. That's good.
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And if you know me, I like to bring in scripture into these conversations
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because, as it says in Timothy, Scripture is profitable for teaching
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reproof, correction, and for training in righteousness.
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And obviously, Jesus is such a beautiful example
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of what we're talking about today. One of the things that we see so clearly
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in his life is that he consistently saw people beneath the
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labels, beyond their labels that others have placed on
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them. We see it. The woman at the well. And
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specifically, I'm thinking right now, I don't need to go to a sermon here, but
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the story of Zacchaeus, he really fits into that conversation. Everyone
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already decided who Zacchaeus was. He. He was a tax
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collector. He was corrupt. He was compromised.
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He was not the guy people wanted Jesus spending time with. I'm pretty sure
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they. They tried to counsel him against it. Why? Yeah,
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let's maybe not talk to this person. Can we just
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move it over here? So, Shannon, when you think about Zacchaeus,
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what stands out to you about the way Jesus treats him?
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Yeah, well, like you said, tax collectors in those days
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were not at all viewed highly. Well, I don't think we still like
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paying taxes. That's true. But especially in those
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days, they were corrupt, like you said, and would
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often take more than the tax somebody owed and just
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keep that for themselves. And so, you know, I think
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if I were, you know, one of the people who were
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viewing Zacchaeus this way, like, I'd feel pretty
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righteous in my anger towards this man. And yet
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Jesus not only noticed Zacchaeus, but he moved
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towards him, and he said, I'm gonna stay at your
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house. And that just doesn't make sense. Zacchaeus
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treated people unjustly. He was what we'd call a bad
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guy or, you know, a sinner. I would probably be offended, actually.
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Yeah. And so. So culture would say,
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like, this guy's. He's not who you want to hang out with. Like, we need
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to call him out and chastise him because he's been doing wrong. And like you
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said, he's a tax collector. So to be fair, some of that story was probably
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based on real Harm where. Where he actually did harm to people
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by collecting taxes when it probably wasn't justified. He'd
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probably taken advantage of people. He. And he probably benefited from this
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unjust system. And we feel like we're all righteous when
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we stand up against these things. But this isn't about pretending.
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None of that mattered. And Jesus didn't excuse what Zacchaeus
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had done, and he also didn't reduce what he had done.
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But the crowd saw that label, and Jesus saw the person.
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And being seen differently opened the door to living
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differently. Jesus didn't ignore the truth again,
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but he saw more than one piece of it. Yeah, those assumptions that
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we have coming in. When I was reading
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this short passage of Zacchaeus before today, it kind
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of just struck me again. And this is a story that
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I. You know, I've been singing the Zacchaeus song since I was a little kid,
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and yet this is what Jesus says. He says, today, salvation
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has come to this house because this man, too, is a son of
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Abraham. For the son of man came to seek and to save
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the lost. And even in all of the. The
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harm that Zacchaeus had done, Jesus didn't see that as
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the end of the story. Yesterday, I saw a video. It
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reminds me of this, and it. It just. It stopped me in my tracks.
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Well, probably cry as I tell this story again, but it was a video of
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a young woman. Her name is Shelby Brown. And in the video,
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she was speaking to inmates in a prison. And she shares
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this story that her dad was a police officer. And when she was
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18, he responded to a call and he was
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shot four times and he passed away. She shares that in
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the pain and the brokenness she felt, the Lord was prompting her
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to make a decision. And this is what she felt like. The Lord said,
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I felt like. He said, shelby, close your eyes. I
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want you to picture the face of Jesus. What did his eyes look
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like on the cross? And for me, she says, they were looking
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straight at me, filled with tears. And I felt like he said,
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shelby, I did this for you. But do you know who I also
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did this for? I did this for the man who shot your father.
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Wow. And she goes on to talk about how she chose to forgive the man
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that killed her dad. And now she brings the hope and the
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redemption of Jesus to men and women in prison.
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And I can't stop thinking about that. Because where we see labels,
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where we see a grumpy neighbor or a tax collector
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or even a murderer, Jesus still sees
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a person. And that does not excuse the Behavior. It
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does not say that it was okay. Jesus says it's still
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not too much for his mercy and his grace.
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It's really good. So we need to wrap up pretty soon here.
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So this is where we need to get a bit more practical. How do we
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actually move from judgment, these assumptions,
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into curiosity? Curiosity doesn't mean that we throw
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wisdom out the window. I like the quote. Don't be so open minded
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that your brains fall out. Yeah. It means that we refuse to
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reduce a person to what we actually see in that moment. I can mention
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before I would say an unhelpful version of this would be
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don't judge anyone, everything is fine. But I think a better version
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of that is use wisdom, keep healthy boundaries,
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and don't let your first assumptions become your final answer.
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So, Shannon, how do we stay compassionate without
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ignoring harm? Yeah. Well, I think it's important to say
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this. We are talking about pausing and being curious
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before we make assumptions. And. And that's not the same
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thing as excusing harmful behavior. Just like I talked about in that last
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story, accountability still matters. Using wisdom
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still matters. But staying compassionate can look
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like acknowledging that there's more. We don't see whether that's
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instability or fear or trauma. And that can help
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us to understand someone's behavior without excusing
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it while still wanting to know the human underneath the
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surface. I think multiple things can be true at the
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same time. Yeah. I think curiosity doesn't mean pretending that harm
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is okay. It means refusing to let harm become the only thing
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that we believe about a person. Yeah. So even sitting with a story
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and, and showing that you're understanding someone's story doesn't mean
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that we're justifying everything that they do. It just means
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that we're starting to understand. Yeah. So we're going to transition to the end
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here. So maybe a practical invitation this week. We'll keep it
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simple. So when we notice ourselves making these assumptions about people,
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when we encounter them, here's three questions I think that we can ask ourselves.
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I'm sure there's more, but these are just three that we've thought of. First of
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all, what story am I telling myself?
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Number two, what might I not know? And
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lastly, what would dignity require here? And
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that might mean asking a better question. It might mean offering patience.
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It might mean learning someone's name. It might mean softening our
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tone. It might mean praying for the person. It
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might mean choosing not to repeat the assumption as gossip. Yeah.
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And it might mean moving closer with wisdom instead of pulling away in
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judgment. Because again, being curious actually brings us closer to
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people and it breaks that distance that we have.
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Shannon, you have any final thoughts before we close out this episode?
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Yeah, I think all of what you just shared is really what it means to
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be neighborly. You know, not pretending that we know the whole story,
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but still staying curious enough to just see the person
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in front of us. And again, we say this. I think
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hopefully we've said this before, but Care doesn't have to be perfect.
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We don't have to get it. All right, Sometimes you're I. Plenty of times,
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you know, connect with somebody and I'm trying to say something that I think is
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smart or wise, but at the end of the day, it
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just means being present and listening
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and caring about someone and caring
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about who they are underneath the surface, beyond
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what we just see on the outside. And I think that is
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really what can help us look a lot more like Jesus
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when we move towards those who people tend to move away
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from and when we ask the questions instead of
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staying off at a distance, that's what it really means to be a
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good neighbor. And hey, listeners, we'd love to hear any
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stories if you've gone from judgment into curiosity, if you've
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been able to make that transition and have some specific
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stories to tell, because those are great stories to share on
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this platform. So reach out to us. podcast@careimpact.ca.
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We'll see you next time. The stories we share here remind us that
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Thanks for listening. And
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be that kind of neighbor
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Someone will never forget
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in a good way. When I see you
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in a stranger I no longer
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stay Turning over tables
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Tearing down walls.