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Why THIS VP Debate Mattered w Sen Ted Cruz · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome.
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Speaker 2: It is the Ben Ferguson Podcasts and it is a
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Speaker 2: dual show with Senator Ted Cruz and I as we
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Speaker 2: just got finished watching the vice presidential debate.
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Speaker 1: Senator you just watched it.
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Speaker 2: We got to watch it together, you got to commentate
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Speaker 2: on Hannity afterwards. And your initial takeaway from this debate.
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Speaker 2: I thought JD had a pretty good night.
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Speaker 3: He had an excellent, excellent night. It is eleven o
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Speaker 3: five pm, just after the debate. As you noted, I
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Speaker 3: just finished doing Hannity and talking about the debate. I
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Speaker 3: think this was a good night for America. The winner
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Speaker 3: of the debate tonight was Donald Trump. The loser of
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Speaker 3: the debate tonight was Kamala Harris. Yeah, both candidates I
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Speaker 3: think did an effective job. Tim Waltz was frankly better
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Speaker 3: than I expected, but he had a very difficult case
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Speaker 3: to make because his job was to defend Kamala Harris's record.
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Speaker 3: And the reason that I think it was such a
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Speaker 3: good night for Trump is I think JD did a
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Speaker 3: good job job of prosecuting Kamala Harris's actual record. She
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Speaker 3: is desperately, desperately, desperately trying to run away from her
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Speaker 3: record trying to hide in the basement. And tonight the
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Speaker 3: contrast was made between the incredible successes on the border,
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Speaker 3: on the economy, on foreign policy under Donald Trump as
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Speaker 3: compared to the incredible failures on the border, on the economy,
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Speaker 3: on foreign policy under Kamala Harris and and and that
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Speaker 3: stark divide was there. I think Tim Waltz tried mightily
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Speaker 3: to pretend the record didn't exist. But but but there
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Speaker 3: were some rough moments because he couldn't deny reality. And
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Speaker 3: and and it really goes to the to the fundamental
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Speaker 3: core conceit of the Kamala Harris campaign, which is she
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Speaker 3: is trying to live in this alternate reality where she
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Speaker 3: is the change candidate and Donald J. Trump is the
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Speaker 3: incumbent president, and that is not in fact the planet
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Speaker 3: on which we live. And and I think JD did
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Speaker 3: a good job multiple times of saying, gosh, if she
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Speaker 3: has all these policy proposals, why isn't she doing any
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Speaker 3: of them now?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, for the last three and a half years.
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Speaker 3: And Walts has no answer to that other than well, well,
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Speaker 3: what's happening now isn't working, So that's the problem.
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Speaker 2: There was one funny part of the debate that I laughed,
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Speaker 2: And it was when he was talking about how none
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Speaker 2: of the wall was actually built, and then it was
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Speaker 2: like he realized, oh wait, maybe I don't want to
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Speaker 2: go that far with this point because she's got an
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Speaker 2: ad out showing down on Trump's wall, and he was
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Speaker 2: like he kind of backpedaled on.
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Speaker 1: He's like, well, you guys didn't build much of that wall.
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Speaker 2: It's like, well, now, didn't she just say, didn't know
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Speaker 2: you're here to represent just say we got to have
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Speaker 2: a secure border, build a wall.
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Speaker 3: Well, and you could tell that Waltz was uncomfortable defending
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Speaker 3: Kamala's record because he kept trying to go back to
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Speaker 3: Minnesota over and over ageing, Yeah, look at what I've
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Speaker 3: done in Minnesota. Look at what I've done in Minnesota.
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Speaker 3: It's like, wait a second, you're not the candidate for president.
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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris says, she's been the vice president. And I
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Speaker 3: thought in particular, the strongest moments of the debate were
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Speaker 3: on economics and the impact for working men and women,
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Speaker 3: that that just people's lives are harder, that the cost
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Speaker 3: of everything has gone up, the cost of food, the
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Speaker 3: cost of healthcare, the cost of UH gasoline. And I
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Speaker 3: thought on the cost of housing, I think jd Vance
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Speaker 3: made a good point of Look eleven and a half
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Speaker 3: million illegal immigrants, do you think that's driving up the cost
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Speaker 3: of housing? And I will say two of the losers
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Speaker 3: tonight were sitting in the moderator chairs and and and
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Speaker 3: that they they seem to be trying to topple prior
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Speaker 3: moderators for for the biggest partisan hacks of a debate.
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Speaker 3: I thought CBS's moderators, Nora O'Donnell and Margaret Brennan did
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Speaker 3: did a terrible job. Uh, there is not a person
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Speaker 3: in the universe who watched this debate who has any
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Speaker 3: doubt either of them is like that, none whatsoever.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there, And the best part was you and I
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Speaker 2: were watching it again, And it's fun to watch these
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Speaker 2: things together because I was sitting there. And one of
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Speaker 2: the things that made me laugh was when they did
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Speaker 2: their hands off to each other. It was like, thinking,
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Speaker 2: we have to make we have so many important they
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Speaker 2: think you to back over to you. It was like
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Speaker 2: I was watching Anchorman outtakes and it was like, we
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Speaker 2: are so official journalistic here and we're going to be wonky.
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Speaker 2: And and then they would immediately go back in their
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Speaker 2: hardest in their partisan hackery, which was when they muted him.
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Speaker 3: Yes, no, no, that was wow.
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Speaker 1: That really was the moment.
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Speaker 2: I tweeted, I said, when that happened, I tweeted, I
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Speaker 2: was like in communist countries they mute microphones. They just
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Speaker 2: did it during the Vice president of debate that if
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Speaker 2: you want to know if the state sponsored media, yeah,
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Speaker 2: they just did it.
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Speaker 3: I really was waiting for them, you know, you made
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Speaker 3: the Acreman equip as We're watching the debate, and I
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Speaker 3: was really waiting for one of them to lean over
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Speaker 3: as Ron Burgundy and say, screw you, Sandiego and I'm
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Speaker 3: cleaning the language up a little bit from the actual
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Speaker 3: line of the movie. But but it was number one,
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Speaker 3: stilted their mindating number two. It was incredibly smarmy and condescending.
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Speaker 3: Their entire attitude is we know better than all of you.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, the things they interrupted, they were
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Speaker 3: supposed to not do fact checks. When they did do them,
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Speaker 3: they were wrong, and they were completely self satisfied. And
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Speaker 3: the moment when they cut off jd Vance's microphone was pitiful.
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Speaker 3: It was nakedly biased. It was hackery. It was nothing
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Speaker 2: I want to go back to the beginning of the debate,
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Speaker 2: and the first question coming into the debate was one
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Speaker 2: I think we all knew it was going to be
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Speaker 2: on Israel and the attack on Israel from Iran, and
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Speaker 2: Waltz was very, very very nervous, you could tell. But
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Speaker 2: he also didn't know what to do because there's a
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Speaker 2: hard part of the Democratic Party, especially him in Minnesota, YEP,
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Speaker 2: with the extremists there that hate Israel and they're the
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Speaker 2: ones that are protesting and supporting the terrorists. And when
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Speaker 2: he came out, he had a little bit of an
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Speaker 2: oops listen carefully.
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Speaker 3: I ran.
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Speaker 4: Israel's ability to be able to defend itself as absolutely
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Speaker 4: fundamental getting its hostages.
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Speaker 2: Back it's hostages. But I was like, come on, man,
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Speaker 2: you got to do a little bit better than this.
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Speaker 2: But it tells you where the Democratic Party is right now.
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Speaker 2: They don't want to come out and defend Israel too much,
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Speaker 2: but they know they have to defend him on the
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Speaker 2: face tonight.
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Speaker 1: And it was this weird, awkward moment for him.
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Speaker 3: Well, and look, he had a talking point that was
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Speaker 3: written for him for his handlers, by his handlers. That
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Speaker 3: was to say, Israel has a right to defend itself
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Speaker 3: and the hostages should be returned. And so those are
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Speaker 3: the two sentences he was told to say. And then
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Speaker 3: he immediately said, but we have to address the humanitarian
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Speaker 3: crisis in Gaza, because that's really what the Democrat Party
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Speaker 3: is worried about, is that too many Hamas and Hezbela
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Speaker 3: terrorists are being killed. And so he had to throw
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Speaker 3: that in. What he didn't say, you know what, he
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Speaker 3: didn't say a word about Iran attacking Israel, firing, not
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Speaker 3: a word at Israel. Look, Iran just just pummeled Israel
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Speaker 3: with missiles and that is a major escalation. Now Iran
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Speaker 3: has been funding Hamas and funding Hesbel that's been fighting
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Speaker 3: through proxies. But this is now Iran directly attacking Israel.
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Speaker 3: And the question he was asked is would he support
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Speaker 3: Israel striking back? And you know what he didn't answer.
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Speaker 3: He not want to answer. He did not want to
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Speaker 3: answer at all. And you know, critically the opening of
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Speaker 3: his answer, Tim Waltz's answer was this crisis began on
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Speaker 3: October seventh. Well, that's actually wrong. This crisis began in
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Speaker 3: January of twenty twenty one, when Joe Biden and Kamala
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Speaker 3: Harris came in. Yeah, when they began flooding one hundred
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Speaker 3: billion dollars to Iran, that's when the crisis. And by
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Speaker 3: the way, when they came in, remember what was happening.
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Speaker 3: Just weeks before, we had peace flourishing in the Middle East.
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Speaker 3: We had the Abraham Accords signed on the south lawn
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Speaker 3: of the White House. I was there for the signing
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Speaker 3: of the Abraham Accords. You know what, not a single
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Speaker 3: Democrat showed up for the signing of the Abraham Accords.
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Speaker 3: Not a single Democrat Senator, not a single Democrat house member.
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Speaker 3: I did not realize that none of them showed up.
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Speaker 1: And that was the deal that dealt with the word
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Speaker 1: they're obsession with, which is peace.
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Speaker 3: Right, Yes, it was. It was historic peace. It was
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Speaker 3: the Arabs and the Israelis coming together and signing historic
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Speaker 3: peace accords. And not only did no Democrats sign up
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Speaker 3: at the signing end. Do you know what Joe Biden
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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris instructed the State Department what was that in writing?
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Speaker 3: They said, you were not allowed to use the words
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Speaker 3: Abraham Accords. Don't even call them real what they were called.
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Speaker 3: They were instructed to call them normalization agreements, but do
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Speaker 3: not use apparently acknowledging Father Abraham as too much. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and anything that Trump did, they were not allowed to
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Speaker 3: make reference to. But explicitly the State Department was instructed,
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Speaker 3: don't use the words Abraham Acords. So we went from
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Speaker 3: historic peace, the first peace agreements signed between Israelis and
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Speaker 3: Arabs in four decades, to suddenly Joe Biden, Kamala Harris
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Speaker 3: come in and they start flooding cash into Iran, and
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Speaker 3: Iran starts flooding cash into Hamas and Hezbela that paid
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Speaker 3: for the death squads on October seventh, and Tim Waltz
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Speaker 3: had not a word to say about that, not a
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Speaker 3: word to say about the one hundred billion dollars that
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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris gave as a gift to Iran. And you
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Speaker 3: know what is still giving today today Joe Biden and
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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris still refuse to enforce the oil sanctions against Iran.
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Speaker 3: They are literally funding the missiles that were fired on
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Speaker 3: Iran today in a very real sense, Kamala Harris paid
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Speaker 3: for those missiles.
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Speaker 1: It's shocking.
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Speaker 2: Also the media when you're watching this, they didn't ask
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Speaker 2: about sanctions. They also didn't ask about Hearris and what
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Speaker 2: the response should be from this administration, right because she's
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Speaker 2: in there.
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Speaker 3: To be fair, they did. Their question was, would you
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Speaker 3: support a preemptive strike by Israel against Iran? In and
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Speaker 3: now it's not actually preempted because it is in responseory attack.
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Speaker 3: So the word preemptive is a loaded lefty word. It's
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Speaker 3: not preemptive if you're defending yourself after you've been attacked.
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Speaker 3: But that was the question they asked. And to be clear,
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Speaker 3: when asked, would you support Tamala is the sitting VP?
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Speaker 3: And we know Joe Biden is non COMPASSMENTUS. I don't
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Speaker 3: know if he's passed out on the beach of Delaware
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Speaker 3: or what he's doing.
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Speaker 2: But he did spend almost two hours on the phone,
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Speaker 2: he said this weekend talking about hurricane stuff.
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Speaker 1: Almost two hours. Well, you know, and look, that's a
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Speaker 1: lot of time for him.
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Speaker 3: I believe that because when my girls were young, we
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Speaker 3: had an app on the phone that was the wheels
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Speaker 3: on the bus go round and round, and I believe
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Speaker 3: he spent two hours on the phone, perhaps with an
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Speaker 3: app like that.
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Speaker 2: But the question that they should have asked was, are you, guys,
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Speaker 2: what would you do differently? What would you advocate for?
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Speaker 2: What would you support sanctions? I mean you and I
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Speaker 2: talked about this in our show on Monday. There was
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Speaker 2: if and correct me if my numbers are wrong, but
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Speaker 2: I'm quoting you. It was three hundred thousand barrels a
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Speaker 2: day is what a RAM was producing when Trump was
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Speaker 2: in office.
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Speaker 1: It's now two million barrels.
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Speaker 3: Well, and I wish JD had provided more specifics on that.
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Speaker 3: That answer could have been tighter with more facts on it.
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Speaker 2: The question I wish they would have asked them is
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Speaker 2: both them like, hey guys, are you would you right now?
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Speaker 2: Should there move more sanctions or should they be enforcing
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Speaker 2: the sanctions? Or even the question, hey, why is your
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Speaker 2: running mate Kamala Harris not doing.
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Speaker 3: More to enforce the sanctions they stop a RAN from
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Speaker 3: murdering Donald Trump?
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Speaker 2: Yes, And that didn't come up tonight, which I was
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Speaker 2: also shocked by because we talked about this again in
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Speaker 2: Monday's pod. You have a RAN that's funding and recruiting
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Speaker 2: assassins to takeout Donald Trump and other former leaders in
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Speaker 2: our government. And as they're doing that, no one asked
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Speaker 2: that question tonight.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, look at it now. I will say a point
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Speaker 3: that Jad made on this that was very effective is
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Speaker 3: when he looked at the camera and he asked the
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Speaker 3: American people, he said, think back in your lifetime, what
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Speaker 3: president has not had a major military conflict during his presidency?
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Speaker 3: And he said, I'm forty years old, and there's only
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Speaker 3: one president that you could answer yes to, and that
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Speaker 3: is Donald J.
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Speaker 1: Trumpe.
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Speaker 3: That was a very effective point, and I think it
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Speaker 3: probably made some people think. And Waltz had no response
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Speaker 3: to that other than well, well, but you know, I
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Speaker 3: don't like Trump, and other people don't like Trump either.
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Speaker 3: But the simple point that we had peace when Trump
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Speaker 3: was president and we now have war, not just in
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Speaker 3: Israel but in Ukraine. When you have a week in
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Speaker 3: an effective commander in chief, that contrast was pretty stark.
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Speaker 2: I also thought there was another narrative tonight that really
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Speaker 2: got blown up, and that was the obsession by the
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Speaker 2: media to label JD Vance's strange or weird. He's a
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Speaker 2: weird guy's odd. I think he came across as very likable,
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Speaker 2: very normal, came across as a dad. And I think
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Speaker 2: that also could help Donald Trump significantly.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, look, I think that's right. And I
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Speaker 3: will say one of the things that surprised me. I
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Speaker 3: thought this debate was going to be nasty. You and
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Speaker 3: I both said that before. You were like, dude, they
15:57
Speaker 3: don't like each other. We both knew that, but I
15:58
Speaker 3: thought it was going to be nasty. To Look, my
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Speaker 3: sense is that they really dislike each other, although to
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Speaker 3: be fair, I haven't talked to JD about that, so
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Speaker 3: I don't know firsthand from him. It just the appearance
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Speaker 3: from the media and the general milieu as it appears
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Speaker 3: that neither one of them likes each other. And so
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Speaker 3: I thought, you know, I'd used an analogy that are
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Speaker 3: gonna be rolling around in the mud, this is gonna
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Speaker 3: be a mud wrestling match, and it wasn't. And both
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Speaker 3: of them, neither of them had even a single really
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Speaker 3: nasty line, which which is a little surprising. If you'd
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Speaker 3: asked me to bet beforehand, I would have I would
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Speaker 3: have bet it's more likely that they each had a
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Speaker 3: dozen nasty lines at each other than Nero and it
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Speaker 3: and in fact, both of them more than once praised
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Speaker 3: the other one, which was an interesting I don't know
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Speaker 3: if that how much of that was genuine, how much
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Speaker 3: of that was strategic, how much of the campaign said, Look,
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Speaker 3: your job is to be likable and relatable.
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Speaker 1: But but and if it was, it was a great strategy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And both did so multiple times said said, you know,
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Speaker 3: look when when Tim Waltz described how his son had
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Speaker 3: witnessed a shooting and which which I didn't know either,
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Speaker 3: and that's that's horrific. You and I are both dads,
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Speaker 3: certainly wouldn't want our kids to see a shooting. And
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Speaker 3: I thought JD when it came back and said, hey,
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Speaker 3: I didn't know your son had done that. I'm really sorry.
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Speaker 3: That's that's like horrible one, no one, that's horrible. That
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Speaker 3: was real and genuine, and I thought, and there were
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Speaker 3: moments back and forth for both of them like that.
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Speaker 2: When you look at how this played out tonight, you
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Speaker 2: and I have said this before, and you go back
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Speaker 2: in history. VP debates don't really usually matter. Does it
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Speaker 2: matter a little bit more this time?
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Speaker 1: Do you think?
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Speaker 2: Because there was only one present debate Number one and two,
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Speaker 2: Because if Donald Trump is he's running for four years, right,
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Speaker 2: He's not. There's no chance at eight years here does
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Speaker 2: that change the perception of voters as well?
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Speaker 3: Look damned if I know. I will say I think
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Speaker 3: this probably mattered at the end of the day. Historically,
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Speaker 3: VP debates don't matter much. If you think back to
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Speaker 3: VP debates about the only time, I'm willing to guess
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Speaker 3: you could only remember one moment, two moments from VP debates,
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Speaker 3: you probably remember the fly landing on Mike Pence's head.
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Speaker 2: And that will be seared into my brain forever. Yes,
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Speaker 2: especially since Saturday Night Live had a giant fly and
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Speaker 2: then they did a good job. They did a great
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Speaker 2: job with that.
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Speaker 3: But the only line I bet you you can quote,
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Speaker 3: and you're about as much of a political junkie as anyone,
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Speaker 3: is the only line I bet you can quote is
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Speaker 3: Lloyd Benson to Dan Quayle saying I knew Jack Kennedy.
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Speaker 3: Jack Kennedy was my friend.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Senator, you're no jud Kennedy bingo, and that
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Speaker 2: that was a line.
18:46
Speaker 1: And that was that was what was that eighty eight
18:48
Speaker 1: or nine?
18:48
Speaker 3: That was it was? It was Ducaccus Benson eighty eight
18:53
Speaker 3: And by the way, Dan Quayle and George Bush won.
18:55
Speaker 3: So it didn't change the outcome of election. It did
18:58
Speaker 3: kind of see in public consciousness. That was one of
19:02
Speaker 3: the moments where where the caricature of Quail as a
19:05
Speaker 3: lightweight that that line it hurt him. It was clearly rehearsed,
19:12
Speaker 3: it was landed very effectively, which is why three decades
19:17
Speaker 3: later we're talking about it.
19:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was also I think to find Dan
19:21
Speaker 2: quaill as a candidate on his own yeap, which was
19:24
Speaker 2: sad well.
19:25
Speaker 3: And and the reason it was prepared is because Quail
19:28
Speaker 3: had been using as a talking point, you know, I'm
19:30
Speaker 3: the same age Jack Kennedy Wash because he was trying
19:33
Speaker 3: to say I'm not inexperienced.
19:35
Speaker 1: And he looked young if you remember, he looked really
19:38
Speaker 1: look at he was twenty six.
19:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was Benson was very able to deliver
19:43
Speaker 3: that line. And it was but historically VP debates have
19:47
Speaker 3: not moved votes one way or the other. I will
19:51
Speaker 3: say I was glad So for most of the debate,
19:56
Speaker 3: Jad remembered that his target was Kamala Harrison, not Tim Waltz.
20:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said that a lot. He used her name
20:03
Speaker 1: a lot.
20:04
Speaker 3: And in fact, one of the better moments, and I
20:06
Speaker 3: want you to play this clip. Is is where j
20:08
Speaker 3: D said said to Tim Waltz said, you've got a
20:12
Speaker 3: really tough job. I feel bad for how tough a
20:14
Speaker 3: job you have. And it was sort of it was
20:17
Speaker 3: damning him with faint praise because it was a backheaded
20:20
Speaker 3: shot at Kamala. Or play that exchange, all.
20:22
Speaker 1: Right, take a listen to this clip.
20:24
Speaker 2: It is actually a really funny one where you have
20:28
Speaker 2: JD saying it's tough having your job having to defend
20:31
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris ober.
20:33
Speaker 4: Waltz just did as he said, first of all, Donald
20:35
Speaker 4: Trump has to listen to the experts. And then when
20:38
Speaker 4: he acknowledged that the experts screwed up, he said, well,
20:39
Speaker 4: Donald Trump didn't do nearly as good of a job
20:42
Speaker 4: as this.
20:42
Speaker 3: That's general he did. So what Tim Waltz is doing.
20:45
Speaker 3: And I honestly, Tim, I think.
20:47
Speaker 4: You got a tough job here because you've got.
20:49
Speaker 3: To play whack a mole.
20:50
Speaker 4: You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take.
20:53
Speaker 3: Home pay, which of course he did.
20:54
Speaker 4: You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation,
20:58
Speaker 4: which of course he did. And then you signed multaneously
21:00
Speaker 4: got to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record, which has
21:04
Speaker 4: made gas, groceries and housing unaffordable fair American citizens. I
21:08
Speaker 4: was raised by a woman who would sometimes go into
21:11
Speaker 4: medical debt so that she could put food on the
21:14
Speaker 4: table in our household. I know what it's like to
21:17
Speaker 4: not be able to afford the things that you need
21:19
Speaker 4: to afford. We can do so much better to all
21:22
Speaker 4: of you watching. We can get back to an America
21:24
Speaker 4: that's affordable again. We just got to get back to
21:26
Speaker 4: common sense economic principles.
21:28
Speaker 1: I hope we have a conversation on healthcare then.
21:31
Speaker 5: Senator of Governor, please, thank you, Margaret.
21:33
Speaker 3: We have a lot.
21:34
Speaker 2: I love how they jump in there by the way,
21:36
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you.
21:37
Speaker 1: We gotta we got to move on from that real quick.
21:39
Speaker 1: You just you just smacked them around a little bit.
21:42
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, I mean that they were They were eager
21:45
Speaker 3: to help out Waltz. They were also on the fact checking.
21:48
Speaker 3: You know, we talked about it at at the open
21:51
Speaker 3: of the pod when they cut off JD's mike. Now,
21:55
Speaker 3: that was a moment when number one Kamala was getting
21:59
Speaker 3: beat up hard on immigration, but number two the moderators
22:05
Speaker 3: jumped in and JD talked about the Haitian illegal immigrants
22:09
Speaker 3: who are in Springfield, Ohio, and you know, they wanted
22:13
Speaker 3: to reprise the whole cat thing. I was surprised. I also,
22:16
Speaker 3: I would have lost a bet if you had given
22:18
Speaker 3: me the odds on whether the word cat would be
22:20
Speaker 3: said in the debate. I would have bet yes, and
22:22
Speaker 3: I would have lost that bet. So so that the
22:24
Speaker 3: moderators did not say that, nor did Tim Waltz. But
22:29
Speaker 3: JD rightly said, look, this massive influx of illegal aliens
22:32
Speaker 3: is putting an enormous burden on the residents of Springfield
22:35
Speaker 3: and every other city in Ohio and every other city
22:37
Speaker 3: in the country. And the moderators chimed into correct him,
22:41
Speaker 3: well those are legal immigrants, and he said, blooney, yeah,
22:46
Speaker 3: and this is a fiction. So look, we have a
22:50
Speaker 3: legal immigration system. And what has happened is Joe Biden
22:52
Speaker 3: and Kamala Harris have abused our immigration law. So the
22:57
Speaker 3: three hundred thousand plus Haitians in Nicaraguans and Cubans at
23:00
Speaker 3: Venezuelan's they've flown in, They've flown in into programs where
23:03
Speaker 3: they say, well, these guys are all now legal just
23:05
Speaker 3: because we've decided to open the doors and call everyone
23:08
Speaker 3: we let in legal that is not legal in any
23:11
Speaker 3: ordinary sense. They are illegal immigrants. And in particular JD
23:15
Speaker 3: rightly talks about the app CBP one, which we've talked
23:18
Speaker 3: about on this podcast before, an app for illegal immigrants
23:22
Speaker 3: to apply online for Kamala Harris to let him in
23:24
Speaker 3: our open border.
23:25
Speaker 2: And they did not like him saying this because it
23:27
Speaker 2: was fact checking them.
23:28
Speaker 3: It was they were fact checking him. They were wrong,
23:32
Speaker 3: he countered him, and then they cut off his mic
23:35
Speaker 3: right when Tim Waltz was saying, well, well, you know
23:38
Speaker 3: this has been around for years. CBB one was just
23:41
Speaker 3: created by Joe Biden Kamala Harris.
23:43
Speaker 4: Here.
23:43
Speaker 3: Play the clip when they cut off his mic, because
23:45
Speaker 3: it really is revealing of the enormous bias and the
23:49
Speaker 3: factual just mendacity of the CBS moderators.
23:54
Speaker 1: But thank you, senator. We having so much to get
23:56
Speaker 1: to more.
23:57
Speaker 5: I think it's important we're going to turn out of
23:59
Speaker 5: the economy thing.
24:00
Speaker 4: The rules were that you got in a fact check,
24:02
Speaker 4: and since you're fact checking me, I think it's important
24:05
Speaker 4: to say what's actually going on. So there's an application
24:08
Speaker 4: called the CBP one app where you can go on
24:11
Speaker 4: as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum or apply for
24:14
Speaker 4: parole and be granted legal status at the wave of
24:19
Speaker 4: a Kamala Harris open border wand that is not a
24:22
Speaker 4: person coming in applying for a green cart and waiting
24:24
Speaker 4: for ten years. Thank you, senatortation of a legal immigration
24:28
Speaker 4: Margaret By.
24:29
Speaker 5: Thank you, Senator for describing the legal process. Have so
24:33
Speaker 5: much to get, Senator, so much.
24:35
Speaker 1: The book since nineteen.
24:36
Speaker 4: Ninety, Thank you, gentlemen, want to have that app has
24:40
Speaker 4: not been on the books.
24:42
Speaker 2: It's something.
24:44
Speaker 5: Gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because your mics are cut.
24:48
Speaker 5: We have so much we want to get to Thank
24:50
Speaker 5: you for explaining the legal process.
24:53
Speaker 3: I love that the legal process. I mean that is
24:56
Speaker 3: so smarmy. Yeah, like arrogant cont she's being snarky. Look
25:04
Speaker 3: these there's no doubt they're political bias. There's no doubt
25:09
Speaker 3: they love Kamala Harris. There's no doubt they're voting for
25:12
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris. Thank you for describing the legal process. No,
25:16
Speaker 3: CBP one is not the legal process. It is an
25:18
Speaker 3: app designed by Kamala Harris and Joe Biden to facilitate
25:22
Speaker 3: a massive invasion of this country.
25:26
Speaker 1: And they and they shut the mic off.
25:28
Speaker 2: I actually am glad they did it because it's just
25:31
Speaker 2: and when anybody says in the future, well, there's no
25:33
Speaker 2: bias to me and Mike, really did you see? And
25:35
Speaker 2: I love that she says, they try to act like
25:37
Speaker 2: we shut both your micros offt No, you were shutting
25:40
Speaker 2: down jd Vance, who was fact checking you and pointing
25:44
Speaker 2: out that she was lying and pointing out she design
25:46
Speaker 2: we got to move on. We have other important things.
25:48
Speaker 2: And by the way, I promise you that moment, if
25:50
Speaker 2: you pulled the audience in America watching, they would have
25:53
Speaker 2: loved to have heard what JD.
25:54
Speaker 1: Van said. Like course you would have been like, well,
25:56
Speaker 1: I want to hear this right, Like wait, give me
25:58
Speaker 1: a second.
26:00
Speaker 3: That's absolutely right. But CBS didn't want the audience to
26:02
Speaker 3: hear that.
26:04
Speaker 2: You know.
26:04
Speaker 3: There was another moment on the same topic of the
26:06
Speaker 3: border where Tim Waltz said the most brazen lie of
26:11
Speaker 3: the entire debate, and when Waltz was back pedaling and
26:15
Speaker 3: trying to defend the disaster of Kamala's open borders, Tim
26:19
Speaker 3: Waltz said, quote, border crossings are down, compared to when
26:24
Speaker 3: Donald Trump left office.
26:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, which is a lie. And you and I
26:29
Speaker 1: both are looking at the TV like that that's not true.
26:31
Speaker 3: That that is not slightly true. It's not kind of true.
26:37
Speaker 3: It's not in any way. And let me give you
26:38
Speaker 3: the stats. So in December twenty twenty, the total encounters
26:43
Speaker 3: with illegals was eighty nine thousand and seventy two. In
26:47
Speaker 3: August twenty twenty four, the total encounters was one hundred
26:52
Speaker 3: and fifty eighty nine hundred and eighty eight, So it
26:55
Speaker 3: was nearly twice as many. And and mind you, look,
26:58
Speaker 3: there's been a slight dish up in the last couple
27:01
Speaker 3: of months because Biden and Harris are trying to pretend
27:04
Speaker 3: to do something about the border, and they're just doing
27:06
Speaker 3: it as electioneering. And to put it in, in all
27:10
Speaker 3: of fiscal year twenty twenty, do you know how many
27:13
Speaker 3: encounters with illegals there were under Trump?
27:15
Speaker 1: How many?
27:16
Speaker 3: Six hundred and forty six, eight hundred and twenty.
27:18
Speaker 1: Two that's like a month in this administration.
27:21
Speaker 3: In fiscal year twenty four year to date, and by
27:23
Speaker 3: the way, we're not all the way through twenty four.
27:26
Speaker 3: Do you know how many of they've been how many
27:28
Speaker 3: two million, seven hundred and fifty six thousand, six hundred
27:30
Speaker 3: and forty six.
27:32
Speaker 1: Yeah.
27:32
Speaker 3: And by the way, these these brave fact checkers, did
27:37
Speaker 3: you notice the CBS cut off? They say, wait a second, Governor,
27:42
Speaker 3: you just said that border encounters were lower now than
27:47
Speaker 3: they were under Trump. That is flat out false. They
27:51
Speaker 3: didn't say that because they're not in the business of
27:54
Speaker 3: fact checking democrats.
27:55
Speaker 2: Well, and they also didn't bring up something else that
27:58
Speaker 2: I actually thought there's some misopportunity. I think JD had
28:01
Speaker 2: a great night, but I wish you would have seized
28:03
Speaker 2: on this. The Acting ICE Director put out all of
28:08
Speaker 2: these numbers that we've talked about here, yes, about the
28:11
Speaker 2: number of rapists that were let go that we knew
28:13
Speaker 2: were rapists, the number of murderers that were let go,
28:16
Speaker 2: and the number of those that had been charged with
28:18
Speaker 2: Haines's crimes, and we still let go into this country.
28:22
Speaker 2: And that didn't see the light of day tonight. And
28:25
Speaker 2: it's again it goes back to the moderators, like it's
28:27
Speaker 2: shame on them for not actually talking about the Acting
28:31
Speaker 2: ICE Director saying this when they're going to talk about
28:33
Speaker 2: the border, how do you talk about the border without that.
28:36
Speaker 2: But I do and again it's debating's tough, and I
28:39
Speaker 2: want to be clear, it's tough, but there was a
28:41
Speaker 2: missed opportunity there. I'm shocked that JAD didn't really try
28:44
Speaker 2: to hammer that that point home.
28:46
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, look, I think JD did a very good
28:48
Speaker 3: job tonight. I was surprised that the thirteen thousand convicted
28:53
Speaker 3: murderers did not come up. It's such a powerful number
28:57
Speaker 3: and CBS hasn't covered it, the news hasn't covered and
29:00
Speaker 3: so this debate was an opportunity for That's actually something
29:05
Speaker 3: that I wish that, like it had been slowly explained,
29:09
Speaker 3: that they'd taken a little bit of time. You need
29:11
Speaker 3: to understand that right now today there are more than
29:16
Speaker 3: thirteen thousand illegal aliens who are free, who have not
29:22
Speaker 3: been apprehended, who are convicted murderers. There is nothing whatsoever
29:29
Speaker 3: stopping Kamala Harris from picking up all thirteen thousand of
29:33
Speaker 3: them tomorrow. Legally she has every right to do so.
29:38
Speaker 3: They are here illegally, they can be detained, they can
29:40
Speaker 3: be deported. And yet and there are another two thousand
29:44
Speaker 3: roughly illegal aliens who have pending murder charges, so they're
29:50
Speaker 3: being charged with murder. And you know what, they're free too.
29:54
Speaker 3: There is nothing, zero preventing Kamala Harris from picking up
29:59
Speaker 3: those two two thousand and I would have loved to
30:01
Speaker 3: see JD turn to Tim Walton say, Governor, why doesn't
30:05
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris pick up those fifteen thousand murderers right now?
30:10
Speaker 3: And what would you say to the mothers of the
30:13
Speaker 3: children murdered by these illegal alien murderers that you continue
30:18
Speaker 3: to allow on the street. Yeah, he wouldn't have an
30:20
Speaker 3: answer to that.
30:21
Speaker 1: No, he wouldn't have an answer to that.
30:22
Speaker 2: And look again, like I said, debating is hard, and
30:25
Speaker 2: I think one of the things that he did really
30:26
Speaker 2: well was he talked about the fact that people are
30:31
Speaker 2: suffering in this country because there's so many illegal immigrants,
30:33
Speaker 2: and it backfired on CBS. They were talking about the
30:36
Speaker 2: economy and they were talking about the housing crisis. It
30:39
Speaker 2: was a little bit later in the debate. Many people,
30:41
Speaker 2: if you didn't watch the whole debate, this was one
30:43
Speaker 2: of those moments. I think they actually buried it on purpose.
30:46
Speaker 2: They need to check a box, ask a question about
30:48
Speaker 2: the about housing. But there was a moment there where
30:51
Speaker 2: JD Van Sees on like, well, yeah, of course home
30:53
Speaker 2: prices are.
30:54
Speaker 1: Going to be up.
30:55
Speaker 2: You let fifteen to twenty million people in this country,
30:58
Speaker 2: they got to have a roof over their head. They're
31:00
Speaker 2: competing with you, especially for low cost housing and apartments,
31:04
Speaker 2: which is skyrocketing.
31:05
Speaker 3: Price undoubtedly, And and and CBS really beclowned themselves on
31:10
Speaker 3: this because because one of the moderators chimed in and said, well,
31:12
Speaker 3: do you have any evidence of that? What proof do
31:14
Speaker 3: you have of that? And JD, to his credit, was
31:17
Speaker 3: prepared and said, well, actually, there's a Federal Reserve study
31:19
Speaker 3: that lays out the impact of illegal immigration driving up
31:22
Speaker 3: the cost of housing, and we'll put that out on
31:24
Speaker 3: social media right now so you can go read the study.
31:27
Speaker 3: But he also made the point of just supply and demand.
31:30
Speaker 3: What do you think an additional eleven and a half
31:32
Speaker 3: million people is going to be ending housing is going
31:35
Speaker 3: to do? Do you do these houses magically get created
31:38
Speaker 3: from the sky? Is there a wand that makes them
31:41
Speaker 3: makes them come into existence? And the moderators just didn't
31:45
Speaker 3: like that point, and and so they they were, but
31:49
Speaker 3: they looked pretty silly when they asked if he had
31:51
Speaker 3: any evidence and the answer was well, yes, I love.
31:54
Speaker 2: The other day on TV they were talking about the
31:55
Speaker 2: price of hotels in New York City of skyrocketed. Yeah,
31:58
Speaker 2: because I think it's like one out of x summer,
32:01
Speaker 2: of every hotels is filled with illegal immigrants. They're taking
32:04
Speaker 2: away hotel room course, so then they get more for the.
32:08
Speaker 1: Hotel rooms that are available.
32:10
Speaker 2: You and I I don't even know if did you
32:12
Speaker 2: know I got stranded in New York City and there
32:15
Speaker 2: wasn't a single hotel room after we came back from
32:18
Speaker 2: the airport.
32:19
Speaker 1: Did I tell you this?
32:20
Speaker 2: So this is how bad it is. And this is
32:22
Speaker 2: when I learned, like really firsthand. I went the airport,
32:25
Speaker 2: was on the plane, was on the plane for like
32:26
Speaker 2: four hours. They finally cancel the fight. We pulled back
32:29
Speaker 2: up the gate and they say go back in the city.
32:31
Speaker 2: So immediately get on the phone.
32:32
Speaker 1: I called Fox.
32:32
Speaker 2: I'm there for TV. I'm like, hey, I'm going to
32:34
Speaker 2: need a hotel room. And I got to get back
32:36
Speaker 2: to the city. And then I get into a fight
32:37
Speaker 2: back in the morning to Houston, and she was like,
32:40
Speaker 2: no problem, I'll call in a minute, go ahead and
32:42
Speaker 2: head down the cars and we'll get you back to
32:44
Speaker 2: the city.
32:45
Speaker 1: She said, I've never seen this before.
32:46
Speaker 2: There's not a single hotel room in the city, and
32:49
Speaker 2: I'm like not And it wasn't like there was like
32:52
Speaker 2: the super Bowl going on. This is a normal Tuesday
32:54
Speaker 2: in New York. And I was like, are you kidding. Well,
32:57
Speaker 2: then I open up my app and I'm like, I
32:59
Speaker 2: get on Expedia. I there are no hotel rooms. They
33:02
Speaker 2: start looking in a New Jersey. They're looking everywhere. Finally,
33:06
Speaker 2: the only option was to go back to the city
33:08
Speaker 2: and hope that someone doesn't come to a hotel room.
33:11
Speaker 2: I sat outside of the hotel I always stay at,
33:14
Speaker 2: know the manager, and I walked in. He's like Ben,
33:17
Speaker 2: He's like, this is because of all the illegal immigrants
33:19
Speaker 2: in the city.
33:19
Speaker 1: He goes, there's no hotel rooms to deal with a capacity.
33:22
Speaker 2: I set outside to one in the morning until finally
33:25
Speaker 2: someone canceled the hotel and then he checked me into
33:28
Speaker 2: that room at one o'clock. So I sat there from
33:29
Speaker 2: seven to one am. My fight was at six in mornings.
33:32
Speaker 2: I slept for like three hours. And he said, this
33:35
Speaker 2: is what they've done to our city, referring to the
33:37
Speaker 2: illegal immigrants and how many have come in. And when
33:40
Speaker 2: I say there was an it was there was not
33:42
Speaker 2: a hotel room in the city. That's what's happening now
33:45
Speaker 2: because of legal immigration centator. I want to talk and
33:49
Speaker 2: wrap on the issue of style. You know, you and
33:52
Speaker 2: I both thought this was going to be a intense debate.
33:55
Speaker 2: They don't like each other, They're going to throw down.
33:57
Speaker 2: I think we're also gotten kind of used to that,
33:59
Speaker 2: which down true, that's what we've seen over the last
34:02
Speaker 2: several years. Joe Biden likes to do that as well.
34:05
Speaker 2: We've seen a lot of the Republican debates. Primary debates.
34:07
Speaker 3: Didn't by the way Hillary and Trump was nasty. They
34:09
Speaker 3: were real nasty.
34:10
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean they threw down, and tonight I didn't.
34:15
Speaker 2: I did enjoy a little bit of civility, absolutely, and
34:19
Speaker 2: that was something we haven't seen. But I also think
34:22
Speaker 2: if it was a strategy by the by the Trump team,
34:25
Speaker 2: Hey you're gonna be the likable guy. You're gonna try
34:28
Speaker 2: to bring more people into the tent. I want you
34:31
Speaker 2: to walk away really thinking that you're the right choice.
34:35
Speaker 2: They nailed it. If that was the intent tonight.
34:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I think JD came across as as real
34:41
Speaker 3: and relatable. He did a good job of telling his
34:45
Speaker 3: own family story and his own background, I mean his
34:48
Speaker 3: you know, he wrote a best selling book, Hill Billy LG.
34:51
Speaker 3: Was made into a movie, a very very good movie,
34:55
Speaker 3: a movie that's terrific to watch. And but yet a
34:58
Speaker 3: lot of people don't know that story. He's been a
35:00
Speaker 3: caricatured just like Trump has. And and I think tonight
35:06
Speaker 3: made real progress making him seem like a real person,
35:10
Speaker 3: seem like a husband and a father. And you know,
35:13
Speaker 3: someone who is has has journeyed from very humble beginnings
35:19
Speaker 3: to to right now being the nominee to be vice
35:22
Speaker 3: president of the United States. That's that's one heck of
35:24
Speaker 3: a journey.
35:25
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