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Ronnie Green Full Interview · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: World Fishing Network, and Discovery Goal. Please welcome to Money
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Speaker 1: Making Conversation the man who taught me how to fish again?
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Speaker 1: Running great? How are you doing, Rochelle? And I'm told
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Speaker 1: a lot of to be on the show man, it
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Speaker 1: is awesome to be here. Well, you know, it's really good.
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Speaker 1: Let's just the whole concept of fishing. I you know,
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Speaker 1: I come from the Inner City and the Houston, Texas
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Speaker 1: fifth Ward and my dad used to take me cane fishing.
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Speaker 1: Cane that's what you do. Cane pole and had a
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Speaker 1: little cork and drop that bad boy in there, and
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Speaker 1: you move a little bit and watch that bad, bad
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Speaker 1: cork sunk. You know, you had a fish and you
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Speaker 1: can pull it real fast and you throw that bad
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Speaker 1: boy on the bank. I mean, I mean that that's
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Speaker 1: a cane pole fishing right there. That's big time. Lord.
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Speaker 1: I did the perch. I did the small man small
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Speaker 1: uh bad. That's a large mouth bath And I'm horrible
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Speaker 1: Calfish born. And you know, you don't know what you
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Speaker 1: don't know until you actually started fishing, you with other people.
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Speaker 1: And that's the premise behind our show is that's where
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Speaker 1: I learned my uh prolating fishing from my great grandmother.
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Speaker 1: What's the interesting about it, Rashaanda, is she was a
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Speaker 1: fisherwoman that was at a whole different level. Now. I
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Speaker 1: fished my dad initially, and he just wanted to spend
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Speaker 1: time with his boys, and he really wasn't an incredible
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Speaker 1: fisher and didn't have a passion. But she had the passion.
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Speaker 1: But what was interesting is I learned so much about
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Speaker 1: her life and our family history just by spending quality
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Speaker 1: time with her, which nobody wanted to do because the
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Speaker 1: the off fishing was boring. So I've come back with
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Speaker 1: all these history an adults all the time said hey,
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Speaker 1: did you know this about Grandfall's song? So and Paul
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Speaker 1: Paul and Da Da Da da, and they were like, well,
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Speaker 1: you learn all that uh fishing with granny and that's
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Speaker 1: what we call it. And so hin the fishing story
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Speaker 1: was born with my great grandmother. And she's smiling right
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Speaker 1: now that that's that's really interesting because you know it
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Speaker 1: was when I was out there, because you came by
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Speaker 1: my house in Atlanta and we sat down with man
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Speaker 1: and and uh and I was a small little pond
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Speaker 1: lake on my backyard is fully stocked, and you asked me,
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Speaker 1: he said, how's the fishing. That's the great fish out there.
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Speaker 1: But I never went out there myself because I'm a
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Speaker 1: cane pole guy. I got the I got the quip,
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Speaker 1: and you know that I got the quipment, right. I
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Speaker 1: looked like and you said, we're just going out there
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Speaker 1: and see what you could do, and see what you
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Speaker 1: could do and shout with the fishing with the really
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Speaker 1: raw you got these cane poles stories, and and when
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Speaker 1: I went out that, man, the relaxation part of it
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Speaker 1: was amazing, you know, because I just go down there
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Speaker 1: and just sit on my rock and watch the waters,
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Speaker 1: the memos and the frogs and the little the little
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Speaker 1: bugs how been around on the water, the little ripple
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Speaker 1: that calms me. That's why I have that property, just
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Speaker 1: calms me. But the fact that I was just casting
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Speaker 1: out there, it really took me to a different level
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Speaker 1: of serenity. I'd like to believe in my mind emotionally
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Speaker 1: talk about that whole experience and why it is so
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Speaker 1: so so calm and to fish. Well. The thing is
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Speaker 1: that most people have never been able to quantify a
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Speaker 1: lot of physicians and psychologists and therapists try to understand
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Speaker 1: that there's something special about it. As a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: the Veterans Administration has gone to a level to where
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Speaker 1: they are recognizing it is helpful for veterans with PTSD.
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Speaker 1: And one of the things that I explained to people is,
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Speaker 1: and I don't try to get too deep, but I said,
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Speaker 1: you know, if you think about it, what is our
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Speaker 1: body made up of a lot of water. So I
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Speaker 1: feel like every time that I'm around water, where there's
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Speaker 1: salt water or fresh water, there's a kindred ship to
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Speaker 1: where I came from or what I relate to. I
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Speaker 1: feel like that there is no data officially, and that's
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Speaker 1: what they're doing, is they're doing their extended study about
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Speaker 1: it and actually trying to establish a documented reason. But
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Speaker 1: I feel like, based on my life's experience what I
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Speaker 1: call shoe leather research, which means my feet on the
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Speaker 1: street or my feet in the boat, that is the
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Speaker 1: best UH data in the world, because I feel like
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Speaker 1: that our body is made up of a lot of water,
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Speaker 1: and so when you go and you're actually around salt
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Speaker 1: water or fresh water, there's some type of kindred ship
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Speaker 1: be close to it. So if something about it, we
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Speaker 1: still will never probably understand it, even though they do
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Speaker 1: the studies, and you know what, Rashaan, sometimes some things
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Speaker 1: just shouldn't be understood. We just know it has a
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Speaker 1: positive effect on us. And so that's kind of the
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Speaker 1: way I feel about it, because every time I'm having
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Speaker 1: a long week, sometimes my wife are even engourage. I
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Speaker 1: think you need to go vishit right, you know. And
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Speaker 1: it's it's crazy because of the fact that's a crazy
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Speaker 1: and the good way because of the fact that you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at this water and I know it relaxes me.
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Speaker 1: And then I had another gift of being able to
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Speaker 1: equally relax me, relax me and just keep my mind active,
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Speaker 1: you know, because that's relaxed. That's what That's what I
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Speaker 1: learned from you when you came out there and you
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Speaker 1: you just you just turned me. You gave me another
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Speaker 1: turn to the process, you know, because you know our brains, man,
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Speaker 1: it just flows. It just flows. It just flows, you know,
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Speaker 1: from bills to controversy, to two issues, to parenting, to
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Speaker 1: two mobiles and jobs and and so out there. It
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Speaker 1: pushed all that to the to the to the back,
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Speaker 1: and all I was worried about with that, how far
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Speaker 1: I can get that that hook out that water, you know,
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Speaker 1: and getting it back fast enough. And so I didn't
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Speaker 1: think about nothing else but that that little one to
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Speaker 1: punch that I was dealing and b when I snagged one,
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Speaker 1: you saw big. I was smiling when I was then
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Speaker 1: and then returned into the water you know, and released
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Speaker 1: it back out. That was that was like a really
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Speaker 1: three sixty for me as far as the the whole
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Speaker 1: process of what you're talking about when it comes to
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Speaker 1: you know, the meditation party beings in an environment that
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Speaker 1: will calm you, and that's what I think that they're saying.
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Speaker 1: It pushes back all that noise that could be in
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Speaker 1: your brain. And that's that's that's important. That's important. And
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Speaker 1: you know what, Rashan that that gets to the show
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Speaker 1: as well, because when we do the show on the water,
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Speaker 1: one of the things that people know that when they
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Speaker 1: wants to show there's something that has never been done
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Speaker 1: on this particular type of show, especially in the fishing industry,
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Speaker 1: is there is a release of emotions that occurs. What
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Speaker 1: I mean by that is we have people that get
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Speaker 1: extremely emotional, and there's even a reputation. People give me
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Speaker 1: a hard talking about it. I'm not going to cry
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Speaker 1: on your show. But it's not something that we script.
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Speaker 1: There's nothing you can script about it, but something about it.
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Speaker 1: Your soul relaxed and relieve and all the stresses all
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Speaker 1: the way. And then it also purges your soul, so
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Speaker 1: to speak. And at the end of the day, there's
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Speaker 1: that release of emotion that is natural and organic. Hence
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Speaker 1: you have a organic show where people are telling their
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Speaker 1: life stories on the water and that whole connection thing again. Right, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm talking to Ronnie Green. He's just the host of
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Speaker 1: Official Story With Ronnie Green. I gotta ask a question
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Speaker 1: to everybody probably asking how does the black man get
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Speaker 1: in the professional fishing game? How does black man getting
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Speaker 1: the professional fishing game? Because we know it's a white industry.
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Speaker 1: How did you do that? And there's some more anglers
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Speaker 1: as well, who African Americans? Let's talk about you. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So how I started when I'm a former officer in
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Speaker 1: United States Marine Corps SIMPL five and then also after
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Speaker 1: the Marine Corps, I was also a corporate citizens. What
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Speaker 1: I would consider you know, I was a sales manager
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Speaker 1: in the medical device business, Pagemaker's de fibulators, the whole
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Speaker 1: nine yards. So the clinical aspect, you know. And then
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Speaker 1: way prior to that, I was also former All American sprinters.
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Speaker 1: So those life experiences helped me and shape me. But
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Speaker 1: all along with all those things I've accomplished in life,
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Speaker 1: my great grandmother helped me to learn that always keeps
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Speaker 1: us in the back of your pocket. This is your therapy.
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Speaker 1: So I would go through life and always fish and
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Speaker 1: do things. And then after my mother passed away and
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Speaker 1: two thousand seven my kids were old enough to graduate
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Speaker 1: from high school and did their thing and on the college,
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Speaker 1: and I said, now it's my time. Uh, and it's
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Speaker 1: my focus about me. At the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: I started fishing some tournaments, and it was also therapeutic.
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Speaker 1: How do you get the tournament? That would you just
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Speaker 1: anybody can just fishing the tournament or you just pay
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Speaker 1: a fee? How does that work? Yes, and that's a
10:45
Speaker 1: great question. And what happens is you pay a fee,
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Speaker 1: and uh, you can. So it might be an entry
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Speaker 1: fee of a few thousand dollars and it might be
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Speaker 1: a hundred eighty anglers. What you want to do is
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Speaker 1: hone your skills up before you get to that level
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Speaker 1: of what I did, is I actually fish in a ternament.
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Speaker 1: I signed up as a co angler first, and what
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Speaker 1: that is is the person that's on the boat and
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Speaker 1: you with the stranger, but you're not running the boat.
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Speaker 1: You're in someone else's boat and you're coing, are competing
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Speaker 1: against other co anglers. So I was very successful in that.
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Speaker 1: Then I graduated to the front of the boat. Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: I want did to be good at being a co angler?
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Speaker 1: What did you have to do as far as catching?
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Speaker 1: Is the size? Is the amount? Is it a time window?
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Speaker 1: What is that? That's a great question as well. So
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Speaker 1: what it is is with at UH eight hour period,
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Speaker 1: you have to catch the largest five fish you can catch,
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Speaker 1: and that's the whole objective. And as a co angler
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Speaker 1: you also have to think and be strategic as well,
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Speaker 1: because the person in the front of the boat has
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Speaker 1: first opportunity of a fish that's probably more aggressive to
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Speaker 1: catch that fish. So you're fishing behind him, you're getting
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Speaker 1: the leftover. So you've got to have a counterbait that's
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Speaker 1: gonna be just as good, but may not be the
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Speaker 1: exact same bait as the primary angler you're fishing with.
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Speaker 1: And so I was very successful at that. And UH again,
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Speaker 1: when you go to the stage, you are competing against
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Speaker 1: other co anglers and so your weight counts against all
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Speaker 1: the other co englers and uh, I've won a lot
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Speaker 1: of money and a lot of tournaments and uh doing
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Speaker 1: that and then moved on to the front of the
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Speaker 1: boat and that is so exciting. And there is only
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Speaker 1: just so you know, in the fishing industry, I can
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Speaker 1: count on my hand for African American people that are
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Speaker 1: fishing professionally for a living. That's Brian Latimer, Mark Daniels,
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Speaker 1: Gas Monroe and then myself who was also on TV.
12:44
Speaker 1: So it is a very difficult sport because the business
12:48
Speaker 1: model was similar to NASCAR, and so what that means
12:51
Speaker 1: is you have to have sponsors. And Mercury I saw
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Speaker 1: a Ranger boats and I saw bass Pro Shops. Absolutely
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Speaker 1: so Bass Pro Shops is one of the most influential
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Speaker 1: and the most powerful in the industry. And I am
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Speaker 1: fortunate enough to be with Bass Pro Shops. Mercury Marine
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Speaker 1: incredible engine UH company here in America that does a
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Speaker 1: great job. And what I love about Mercury is they
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Speaker 1: are one of the most diverse companies that I've ever seen.
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Speaker 1: Their way far ahead than what I've seen most companies
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Speaker 1: and and I love that about Mercury and then Gary
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Speaker 1: Yamamotal custom Bates um, they are incredible as well. So
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Speaker 1: they've all been supportive and you know, they've been there
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Speaker 1: with me from day one, and I can appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: And we wouldn't be able to bring a lot of
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Speaker 1: good content without them. And uh, and so so how
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Speaker 1: does one get a sponsor? I'm just going through some
13:47
Speaker 1: steps here. Just let everybody know because you're such a
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Speaker 1: unique feel in African American we we all know, like
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Speaker 1: NASCAR is a white dominated sport and and so that
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Speaker 1: means I don't know if every environment you go in
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Speaker 1: is a comfortable fronment. But just talk about your experience
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Speaker 1: overall in the fishing industry in the beginning and that
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Speaker 1: so in the beginning, of course, just like anything, when
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Speaker 1: people think you have a TV show, Uh, people are
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Speaker 1: just gonna pass out sponsorships because you're on TV. Wrong answer,
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Speaker 1: That is not the way it works. So what they
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Speaker 1: do is they will watch you and quite honestly, it's
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Speaker 1: a high risk and some of them are still trying
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Speaker 1: to learn, uh, to deal with African American UM because
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Speaker 1: a lot of them have never been exposed I want
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Speaker 1: to say a lot, but quite a few, because it's
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Speaker 1: I've been exposed to African American culture. So you have
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Speaker 1: what I call a cognitive dissidence of what you see.
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Speaker 1: You see this polosy African American person who who is
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Speaker 1: patriotic as well and in the Marine corps um but
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Speaker 1: yet and still your belief system based on what you've
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Speaker 1: seen and heard, is not recognizing what you see, and
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Speaker 1: there is a cognitive dissidents, so you're fighting gets yourself.
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Speaker 1: So ultimately that leads to sometimes not getting a sponsorship hip.
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Speaker 1: But the folks that are always progressive in their thinking
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Speaker 1: to bring on the best in the business that do
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Speaker 1: what they do. And hence that's how I've been able
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Speaker 1: to get an opportunity now running. I got Amazon Prime,
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Speaker 1: so I can so I can see you on Amazon Prime.
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Speaker 1: All seasons are that the first three seasons, and we
15:31
Speaker 1: have some more content come in that direction. I probably
15:34
Speaker 1: a three additional uh episode or seasons coming within the
15:39
Speaker 1: next I think too much. So episodes in half hour,
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Speaker 1: or you have one guest, you have regular people, celebrities, politicians, athletes.
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Speaker 1: Who who who's on the boat with you when you're fishing.
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Speaker 1: That's a great question, ra Sean, and we see whoever
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Speaker 1: has an incredible uh story. Typically you'll see retainers, athletes
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Speaker 1: every day. People will like veterans, firefighters, politicians, um, and
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Speaker 1: just people like you and I that you don't want
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Speaker 1: to do some fishing, but they have a great story.
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Speaker 1: We had recently uh Dr Hammond. She's a psychologist. Now
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Speaker 1: that's the interesting thing. She's never fished before in her life.
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Speaker 1: We had one of the best fishing days I've had
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Speaker 1: on the show with her, and we were fishing with artificial.
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Speaker 1: Why is that important Because artificial is a very difficult
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Speaker 1: bait to fish with. If you've never done artificial. Live
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Speaker 1: bait is easy because that's for leman young to the fish.
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Speaker 1: They can eat that easy. But artificial has to mimic
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Speaker 1: something live and you gotta make it come alive. She
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Speaker 1: was a fast learner and we caught literally close to
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Speaker 1: a hundred fish trout on a given day. That's never
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Speaker 1: happened before. It was just fast and furious. But my
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Speaker 1: point is simply this. Anyone that has a story, we
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Speaker 1: will find the accommodations for fishing style that actually is
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Speaker 1: to my little Yeah, you know you got the equipment,
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Speaker 1: but you have new was skilled so so. But I
19:20
Speaker 1: think that helps with somebody and just women in general
19:24
Speaker 1: more curious and more patient. But men we stand to
19:27
Speaker 1: want to like just burst down the door and I
19:29
Speaker 1: got this, I got this, I got this. So you know,
19:34
Speaker 1: there's no as he being noisy? Fish here, you know, hey, man,
19:37
Speaker 1: if you don't shut up? Okay, fishing here, vibrations in
19:40
Speaker 1: the wall. Oh what really? Yes? Yes, yes, fish. Heat
19:46
Speaker 1: is a quiet spool. Okay, it's not a football day,
19:49
Speaker 1: not basketball. I just wanna let you know you're not
19:53
Speaker 1: you know, Holliday at the baseball fish. You know you
19:56
Speaker 1: don't do that fishing? Okay, you know what I'm talking about.
19:59
Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking Why would get fish? When
20:02
Speaker 1: you keep screaming like that, you don't get Let you
20:06
Speaker 1: know that I don't know. I'm telling the truth. You
20:09
Speaker 1: are telling it like you know. And I can appreciate
20:13
Speaker 1: that because my dad used to be that way with us.
20:15
Speaker 1: He's like, what shut you, bob, you hear you? You know?
20:19
Speaker 1: Fish that is there? Hey, hey, hey, hey, don't go there,
20:24
Speaker 1: young man. Don't go there. You know you'd be out
20:28
Speaker 1: there with the fish, be out there with the fish. Okay,
20:31
Speaker 1: you can swim knock you off this boat a time.
20:35
Speaker 1: So just let's talk about this ring. The essentials are
20:39
Speaker 1: going out there and fishing. Do you have to have
20:41
Speaker 1: your off mosquito repellent when you go out there where
20:44
Speaker 1: you gotta have, you gotta Here's what's so interesting is
20:47
Speaker 1: you have to have some probably not as much mosquito
20:51
Speaker 1: repellent as you think. And in Florida this is mosquito mecca.
20:54
Speaker 1: And I think, but what I do is I seshed
20:58
Speaker 1: the daytime. What my my actual sense is is sunscreen. Yes,
21:03
Speaker 1: I have melanin in my skin. I'm an African American.
21:06
Speaker 1: But sunscreen is so important because you can get some
21:10
Speaker 1: I've seen some African American skin cancer and I'm like,
21:13
Speaker 1: I don't think that's supposed to happen. But what happens
21:16
Speaker 1: is it's all about education. So definitely have the sunscreen.
21:20
Speaker 1: That's the first thing I do, uh, is make sure
21:22
Speaker 1: the sun screens on so I'm greased up a little bit.
21:25
Speaker 1: Then I also make sure that you have the appropriate gear.
21:29
Speaker 1: If you never fished before, probably want to have a
21:32
Speaker 1: spinning rod. And what a spinning rod is. It has
21:34
Speaker 1: a bail on it and it has the elongated um
21:38
Speaker 1: eyes that come off the rock. And it's a lot
21:41
Speaker 1: easier to learn with a spinning rod than a bait caster.
21:45
Speaker 1: Baycaster get you in trouble if you've never thown it before.
21:47
Speaker 1: But a spinning rod is so important and a lot
21:50
Speaker 1: of people still fish with it even though they may
21:52
Speaker 1: how to may know how to throw a bay caster,
21:55
Speaker 1: So it's it's a good place to start. And then
21:57
Speaker 1: I like to have some good fishing line. I like
21:59
Speaker 1: the row floor carbon versus monofilament. Then what's the difference.
22:04
Speaker 1: Monofilament is a little bit more stretchy and it can
22:09
Speaker 1: be seen. But the floor carbon we practiced the light
22:12
Speaker 1: reflect the lights, so you can't see it underwater. Why
22:15
Speaker 1: is that important because the fish can't see it as well.
22:19
Speaker 1: In addition, it does not have stretch. So if it
22:22
Speaker 1: doesn't have stretch, once you get a bite, you pull
22:25
Speaker 1: on that thing you're pulling the fish mono has a
22:28
Speaker 1: little stretch. So those are all little important things. And
22:32
Speaker 1: people have little uh idiosyncrasy that they use with fishing.
22:36
Speaker 1: And then some people even have superstition. Some people don't
22:39
Speaker 1: believe in having bananas in the boat. I'm sorry I'm
22:41
Speaker 1: gonna eat whenever I'm home, and I'm gonna eat whatever
22:44
Speaker 1: I want to eat. So, you know, there's all sorts
22:48
Speaker 1: of superstitions with fishing. But then there's also a lot
22:51
Speaker 1: of information about fishing that people didn't know that I
22:54
Speaker 1: didn't learn. I didn't learn about George Snyder until probably
22:57
Speaker 1: about seven or eight years ago. He was the person
23:00
Speaker 1: that created the first reel made in America. In ninety
23:05
Speaker 1: and eighteen twenty, he with African America and he created
23:10
Speaker 1: the first reel. Nobody knew that. People wi ask questions like, man,
23:15
Speaker 1: I'm so glad to see African Americans fishing. Stop right there.
23:18
Speaker 1: African Americans with some of the first to fish always
23:23
Speaker 1: But this isn't that? Isn't that? Isn't that the problem
23:25
Speaker 1: we have it right now? That history they always talking
23:28
Speaker 1: about counseling culture. What the black culture has always been canceled. Wow,
23:33
Speaker 1: that is a good point, you know, because of the
23:34
Speaker 1: fact that because we're about to transition to into your
23:37
Speaker 1: two parts series, the difficult discussion because of the fact
23:41
Speaker 1: that when I look at our president, you know, quit
23:44
Speaker 1: to sign executive orders to protect the Confederate statues. Okay,
23:49
Speaker 1: and then turn around and say that Black Lives Matter
23:52
Speaker 1: is a hate group and and not understanding their the
23:56
Speaker 1: the the the accomplishments we had. That's why when Drew
24:00
Speaker 1: Breese said his father's fought in the war and his
24:02
Speaker 1: grandfather saw in the world, because in his mind he's
24:04
Speaker 1: never been educated black people fought and anything, because the
24:10
Speaker 1: history is not there. You know, the history doesn't write
24:12
Speaker 1: us in like that. And now you know, we we
24:15
Speaker 1: we they brought us over, they freed us. Okay. Then
24:17
Speaker 1: it moved up to to uh, the I have a
24:20
Speaker 1: dream speech. Then it moved up to the Civil rights
24:23
Speaker 1: and after that, brother, you know, we didn't do anything
24:26
Speaker 1: else but stay on welfare, sale crack and raised the
24:30
Speaker 1: crime rate according to the population that wants to push
24:33
Speaker 1: that narrative. And so when I hear you talk about
24:37
Speaker 1: eighteen twin in a black man created the first really
24:42
Speaker 1: fishing rod, I'm not stunned because, as you all know,
24:46
Speaker 1: black people were creative because basically we're out there doing
24:49
Speaker 1: the work anyway. So if you're doing the work, you're
24:51
Speaker 1: gonna figure out how to do it faster and easier
24:53
Speaker 1: and more convenient. That's why we created the cotton gym, Okay, now,
24:57
Speaker 1: but you put together this this two parts, here's all
25:00
Speaker 1: the difficult discussion. As I saw both episodes, it was
25:04
Speaker 1: three black men, two white men. Tell us how you
25:07
Speaker 1: selected the five and tell us how the whole scenario
25:11
Speaker 1: the whole scenario started. Because it really was cool where
25:14
Speaker 1: you did it, because you still kept the fishing aspect
25:18
Speaker 1: into the episode wrapped around this conversation, which I really enjoyed.
25:22
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't know what to expect, but when
25:24
Speaker 1: I got that, went, oh, this is this is I
25:26
Speaker 1: wouldn't say we're nice, but it was enjoyable because I wasn't.
25:30
Speaker 1: I wasn't taken out of the whole reason why I
25:34
Speaker 1: watched the show. But I was able to hear on
25:36
Speaker 1: this conversation from men having the difficult conversations because even
25:41
Speaker 1: though the conversation flowed the way flow, some statements will
25:44
Speaker 1: held back a little bit, but a lot of honest
25:47
Speaker 1: thing was at least transmitted. Talk to us about the
25:50
Speaker 1: right quick running. Yeah, so what we did is we
25:53
Speaker 1: took some folks that have been on my show already.
25:56
Speaker 1: Everyone that was in the panel because I fished with
25:59
Speaker 1: him before. Um, we had them on the show and
26:01
Speaker 1: I've called several other folks and not everybody was comfortable.
26:05
Speaker 1: So I was okay with that. So I took the
26:07
Speaker 1: folks that were available, and uh, we had some folks
26:10
Speaker 1: even fly in just to be a part of it.
26:12
Speaker 1: Because when a lot has gone on in our country
26:16
Speaker 1: over the last few months, Uh, there's been a lot
26:19
Speaker 1: of conversation and talking to friends and family and then
26:22
Speaker 1: talking to even the guys that were on the show
26:25
Speaker 1: before we even got on the show, and there was
26:27
Speaker 1: a lot of different dialogue and conversation about it. I said, well,
26:30
Speaker 1: why don't we bring it to a place I said,
26:32
Speaker 1: where it's my lane. And what I mean by my lane.
26:35
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna try to walk into a surgeon's office
26:37
Speaker 1: and try to become a surgeon just because I want to.
26:40
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna try to be a politician because I
26:42
Speaker 1: feel like I'm a politician. But I want to talk
26:44
Speaker 1: about honest issues from the platform that I have. And
26:48
Speaker 1: so we brought everybody on and we talked about the
26:51
Speaker 1: difficult discussions. Uh with the show, it's starting off being
26:55
Speaker 1: just one show, but after all the content was done
26:57
Speaker 1: and CBS Sports agreed we need to have to show
27:00
Speaker 1: through episodes and Uh. We we got into some deep
27:04
Speaker 1: barreaus Colin Kaepernick. We got into you know, all of
27:08
Speaker 1: the folks being killed, you know in the streets our police. Uh.
27:13
Speaker 1: And then we talked about a little bit of everything.
27:16
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, we actually established
27:19
Speaker 1: the ground rus. And there is a ground rus that
27:20
Speaker 1: I established, uh, just based on my interaction with folks
27:25
Speaker 1: and me and my wife sit down and talk about
27:27
Speaker 1: it is belief system because that's where everything starts. And
27:30
Speaker 1: so we define what a belief system is. And then
27:32
Speaker 1: we actually built on belief system by moving to narrative,
27:36
Speaker 1: because the narrative is an account of what you see,
27:40
Speaker 1: sometimes infused with the belief system, which we all agree
27:43
Speaker 1: the belief system comes from our parents or pair of figures.
27:48
Speaker 1: So at the end of the day we talked about
27:50
Speaker 1: all those issues and always being being able to refer
27:55
Speaker 1: back to belief system and narrative. So just because you
27:59
Speaker 1: see a certain thing and doesn't mean that it's exactly
28:01
Speaker 1: what you see, but it's easy to ride to train
28:05
Speaker 1: when you feel like your emotions are stirred. Case in
28:08
Speaker 1: point is calling Kaepinet not talking about the the the
28:12
Speaker 1: important fixed factor in it is he sat down on
28:16
Speaker 1: his on his bottom, you know. At first, and then
28:21
Speaker 1: UH talked to and consulted Sergeant Bowyer, who was a
28:24
Speaker 1: long snapper on the San Francisco forty niners, and he said,
28:27
Speaker 1: I agree with what you're doing, but it might be
28:29
Speaker 1: a little bit more respectful. You can do whatever you want,
28:33
Speaker 1: but I would recommend you take a knee. He said, well,
28:35
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna take a knee, and because
28:37
Speaker 1: he wanted to take a peaceful stance, but the message,
28:40
Speaker 1: the narrative was missed because he was doing it to
28:44
Speaker 1: actually bring attention to what we are dealing with right now,
28:48
Speaker 1: which is African American people are being assassinated in the
28:53
Speaker 1: streets by people of authority that are paid to protect
28:56
Speaker 1: and serve. So that was the issue. But the narrative
29:01
Speaker 1: was slipped. And I talked about historically, and we couldn't
29:04
Speaker 1: put everything into the episode. We had to depend on
29:07
Speaker 1: the editor and I had to be a part of
29:09
Speaker 1: that process as well, but we had to put what
29:11
Speaker 1: we could get in at the end of the day. Historically,
29:15
Speaker 1: if you look at Muhammad Ali, if you look at
29:18
Speaker 1: the folks in n Olympics, if you look at any
29:23
Speaker 1: entertainer yes, sir, it takes a stand about something simple
29:31
Speaker 1: that is unrested has to do with us. The narrative
29:35
Speaker 1: can be flipped because it's so easy to flip a
29:38
Speaker 1: narrative because you want to stop the momentum. The momentum
29:41
Speaker 1: is what you want to stop. So what you do
29:43
Speaker 1: is find a way to give a Counternetter and I
29:45
Speaker 1: talked about even Martin Luther King. There was always a
29:48
Speaker 1: counter narrative with him, but we celebrate him as a hero,
29:53
Speaker 1: American hero. We have a holiday dedicated to it. But
29:56
Speaker 1: it was so many more in our country that look
30:00
Speaker 1: like me. But again, narratives, so uh, it's interesting no
30:05
Speaker 1: matter what we do. In some instances, sometimes the narratives
30:10
Speaker 1: can be flicked. And it's because there is always a
30:13
Speaker 1: countercurrent trying to say, hey, we don't want to give
30:17
Speaker 1: that credit because we don't want to give the ability
30:20
Speaker 1: for someone to actually change the belief system. Because if
30:22
Speaker 1: you change the belief system, then people believe that there's
30:25
Speaker 1: other people that did some other things in this country.
30:28
Speaker 1: We don't want that. That's the that's the key right there,
30:30
Speaker 1: giving credit given the recognition, you know, acknowledging that we
30:35
Speaker 1: did not share properly the history of African Americans in
30:39
Speaker 1: our school books. Uh, that's what we're talking about with
30:43
Speaker 1: you know, when you when you walk around here and
30:45
Speaker 1: you're saluting uh statues that of the Confederacy, and and
30:49
Speaker 1: then you hear the word trader thrown out there a lot.
30:52
Speaker 1: They were traders. They fought against the against them, they
30:56
Speaker 1: try to they divide this country. But we're saluting them
30:59
Speaker 1: as heroes. But we don't salute our accomplishments throughout the community,
31:04
Speaker 1: you know. And so what we what we try to do.
31:06
Speaker 1: And so so what I was looking at the two parter,
31:09
Speaker 1: you know, I thought it was informative, it was humorous,
31:12
Speaker 1: you know, a little what the little chubby guy name,
31:14
Speaker 1: he was funny man, he was funny, he knew you know.
31:18
Speaker 1: I spent a good under good conversation away and and
31:21
Speaker 1: I love for the conversation about you can disagree with
31:23
Speaker 1: the African American, but you but all you're you're not
31:26
Speaker 1: a racist. And that's that's what the conversation we're trying
31:29
Speaker 1: to get to is they talk to me. Don't just
31:31
Speaker 1: talk to me, just talk And that's what that was
31:34
Speaker 1: My big takeaway from watching your show was like just
31:36
Speaker 1: talk to me and I get you there, but but
31:39
Speaker 1: if you just assume something about me, and that's that's
31:43
Speaker 1: where we all turned the wround corner. When you when
31:45
Speaker 1: you lock your doors and I walked by, you know,
31:47
Speaker 1: when you when you nervously walked past me, or when
31:50
Speaker 1: the cop that a white person will never understand. I
31:53
Speaker 1: gotta said, like this, that is different when a cop
31:57
Speaker 1: stops a white person and an emotion that they feel
32:00
Speaker 1: when the cops stops a black person, way different, way different, Yes, sir,
32:07
Speaker 1: because I said this and I talked about it in
32:09
Speaker 1: in the very first stepisode. That's your first storm my experience. Yeah, yeah,
32:14
Speaker 1: you're the white passenger and he took you out, you
32:16
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and brought you to the rack
32:18
Speaker 1: and the white passenger like what's going on? He hey,
32:22
Speaker 1: And that's that's really that's really where we had in
32:25
Speaker 1: our lives right now, man, And to see that first
32:28
Speaker 1: of all, you know, for you to do that for
32:30
Speaker 1: your show, because you're gonna reach a totally different audience,
32:33
Speaker 1: audience very you know, Fisherman. We're not saying that they
32:35
Speaker 1: pretty conservative. They kind of rural minded individuals who needed
32:39
Speaker 1: to see that conversation also from some people who were
32:42
Speaker 1: courageous enough that we're white to sit down and have
32:45
Speaker 1: this conversation, because that's how we're gonna win. Man. That's
32:48
Speaker 1: that's that's how the flag comes down at NASCAR. Man,
32:50
Speaker 1: That's how we're gonna remove some of these statues. He's
32:53
Speaker 1: gonna want to remove them, all these Confederate statues and
32:56
Speaker 1: walk around and realize that I have value And that's
32:59
Speaker 1: all you told me. And you're show man, right. I
33:01
Speaker 1: want to thank you for doing that, man, for you
33:03
Speaker 1: realize what motivates you to do that about your show,
33:06
Speaker 1: to do that bring that to your show. Well, well,
33:09
Speaker 1: I think a lot of my motivation is again, I
33:11
Speaker 1: always believe that with everything going on, make no mistakes
33:15
Speaker 1: about it, I have emotion like anybody else, and I
33:18
Speaker 1: get upset and I but I always feel like, you
33:20
Speaker 1: gotta stay in your lane, so use your platform. So
33:23
Speaker 1: my wife is a physician and where she does what
33:26
Speaker 1: she does is at work as a physician, and she
33:29
Speaker 1: can do what she does at her platform. But I
33:31
Speaker 1: felt like I was not granted and get it this
33:35
Speaker 1: platform just to sit on it and feel comfortable. That's
33:39
Speaker 1: a problem. You cannot always feel comfortable. You gotta get
33:42
Speaker 1: uncomfortable to make change. And that's the history of America
33:46
Speaker 1: is You've got to do something that makes you uncomfortable
33:49
Speaker 1: and that causes growth, not just for you, but everybody
33:52
Speaker 1: around you. So I felt like I'm gonna do it
33:54
Speaker 1: as fair and as possible by having a dialogue. And again,
33:59
Speaker 1: people are gonna see it because a lot of folks
34:01
Speaker 1: have never been exposed to it. So at the end
34:02
Speaker 1: of the day, now they see a model here. Now
34:05
Speaker 1: we got the best practice. So when people see a model,
34:09
Speaker 1: they may be able to replicate that behavior in a
34:11
Speaker 1: different environment. Cool writing. Thank you for I can see
34:15
Speaker 1: this episode on Amazon Prime right now, Amazon Prime Video. Uh,
34:19
Speaker 1: it will be coming. And as a matter of fact,
34:21
Speaker 1: we have and you'll hear it first on your show.
34:25
Speaker 1: Is We're gonna have an actual airing on on on
34:29
Speaker 1: YouTube as well, especially in both episodes, because we really
34:33
Speaker 1: want people to see this because many people don't have
34:35
Speaker 1: cable nowdayes. Absolutely, I want to thank you my friend
34:38
Speaker 1: Ronnie Green. Gotta come back to the ladder man and uh,
34:40
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34:43
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34:45
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34:50
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34:53
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34:57
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