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B's up in your shit. Alex, the one and only,
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and Josh, welcome back. How you doing? Hell yeah.
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Fucking... I decided to skip the MMA stuff just
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because I'm not caught up on that either. Or
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caught up on that. I'm not. I did catch up on
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the boxing. Of course. Fucking the magic of editing.
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Who's going to know? It's a professional production.
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Yeah, I'm really good at this. Yeah. Yeah, I
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saw. I wanted to skip the MMA stuff just because
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I'm not caught up just yet, but I will be soon.
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So I'll probably bring it up next time or in
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a few weeks. I'll probably start talking about
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it again. But let's get straight into. The fucking
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boxing recaps. Ape Day. Ape Day, that's right.
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Saturday, April 5th. From fucking dusk till dawn,
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there was boxing. Lots of it. Starting first,
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Queensbury in Manchester in the UK. Now, there's
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a bunch of shit on this card that I'm sorry,
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British fellows. I don't fucking care. This card
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is kind of stinky. I'm excited for the main event.
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Yeah, I just picked a few. Average Queensborough
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card. With names I recognize, like Mark Chamberlain,
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points decision. I remember him because a Turkey
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motherfuck guy. He has, like, this weird fixation
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on Mark Chamberlain. So, yeah, there you go.
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Points decision. Well, Josh probably beat him.
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Oh, did he? That's excellent. Oh, right. This
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is, yeah. Jack Rafferty, stoppage in five. David
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Adelaide, or Adelaide. I kept fucking that up.
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Stoppage in five over TKV. And, oof, what a...
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I watched this. Filip Hergovich gets the UD over
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Joe Joyce. I watched this at the airport. While
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I was waiting for my flight. And I was... I had
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literally nothing else to do. I was bored out
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of my fucking mind. That was not a very enjoyable
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fight. Like, Joyce is so washed and Herkovich
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was just out of shape and not motivated. And
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not very good. Yeah. Herkovich reminds me of
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Jerry Anderson. He just doesn't want to do it.
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Doesn't want to do it anymore. He gives it...
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He kind of, like... He has those glimpses where
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he does. He also just has the, like, Jose Ramirez
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syndrome where he just shuts off. Autopilot.
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And coasts. Yeah, he's just, like, he's there,
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but he's not there. Which, like... Unfortunate.
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I mean, it's the only reason Joey's made it the
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distance. Because... Yeah, he was tagging him
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up plenty, but it's like he didn't have any instinct.
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The killer instinct to... go after a finish.
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The eye of the tiger, some would say. Honestly,
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I hate going the, you should retire, but like,
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Joyce is like the desecrated remains of a trapo.
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Oh. He's not polishing the furniture. He's cleaning
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up oil spills in the garage. He's a good one
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right now. And the boxing theory? Boxing hamper?
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Yeah, the boxing laundry. That boxing hamper,
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yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure what else
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to take away from this other than both of these
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guys are not very good. Yeah. Good for Hergovich,
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I guess. Yeah, congrats. Get yourself another
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payday. You're going to get another fight and
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you're going to get your ass kicked if the competition
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has stepped up even like a smidgen of a degree.
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Yeah. Is Hergovich still with Matchroom, or is
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he signed with Queensborough now? He's doing
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whatever. Free agent? Yeah. But let's move on
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to something that was a little bit more fun.
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Just by a bit. Johnny Beck, Lim Kanuli, stops.
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Man, this is a tough one. Ngam Isenge. Ngam Isenge.
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Yeah, sounded out. All right, Alex, you're a
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big Johnny Beck fan. Am I mistaken in this? No,
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you're not mistaken at all. I'll tell you, I
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might be biased, but at the same time, all you
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got to do is watch that KO video, dude. That
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was nasty. That was a good knockout. I like that
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knockout a lot. Is it an early shortlist for...
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Knockout of the year? Potentially, yes, in my
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opinion. Might be a good nomination for the first
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half. I haven't seen a lot of good knockouts
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this half, so yeah, it's up there. It's early
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in the year. Yeah, it's early. Yeah, it's early
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right now. I'm glad that Jonabek is knocking
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out these guys properly. When you knock someone
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out, you make a statement, and that's how he
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becomes more well -known. 160 is desolate, but
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the best you can do is just actually knock out
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the guy in front of you. I mean, think about
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it. Betterbeef, at least before Bivol fought
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Canelo, Betterbeef was more known than Bivol.
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The only reason was because of knockouts. Yeah.
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You know what I mean? Bivol is a better fighter,
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but Betterbeef is known for his knockouts. You
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know, that's how you become known in boxing.
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You do knockouts. In my opinion. See, I don't
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want him to move up, but also 160 is so desolate
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that you almost have to. I was going to ask is
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how many more times can he do this before it's
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time? Like, dude, there's nobody there. I'm not
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sure what you want. I'm sure if he, give him
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the unification with Erzladi Lara, please. Finally
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put Lara out the pasture and then move up. Would
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be nice. They won't give him that payday. PBC
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will not do that. I think it would be better
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for Janabek to go to 168 and fight some guys
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there. He could even fight in Billy at 168. That
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could be an in -house fight. Yeah, I was going
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to ask. Who's available? Yeah. Well, there's
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a lot of guys available at 168. Canelo is going
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to be undisputed again, most likely. That or
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that. To be fair, he could also just go on a
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Euro tour because there's Hamza Shiraz and Chris
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Eubank at that weight class. Hamza, sheer ass.
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Yeah, he is sheer ass. But Hamza, he's not going
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to fight Hamza because at the simple point that
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Hamza won't fight him. Remember, Hamza was supposed
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to fight him. Yeah, fair enough. So that's not
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going to happen for a while. It's just tough.
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It's tough at 160 because there's like three
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people whose names you recognize and then you're
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just like, oh. All the other guys are just not
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that good. There's not even that good of talent
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there. Bruno Saras. 160? Yeah, because that's
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where he usually fights. Maybe. I guess. Emma
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Williams is with Mattroom, right? Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. I mean, the Canadian in me. It's the Canadian
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in me, but give Patrice Foley another shot. I
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don't know. I think that Johnny Beck does him
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pretty bad. Yeah, but he's only lost by decision.
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True. Honestly, he didn't lose to Falcao. He
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didn't really lose to Falcao. I think Jenebeck
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stops him. No, absolutely Jenebeck stops him.
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He's 35 and Canadian. Yeah. But give Patrice
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Volney a chance. Give this man a chance. I said
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this last time, and I'm going to say it again.
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I think Jenebeck should fight Canelo. That would
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be the best fight, in my opinion. He should.
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One of the best better fights. He rates it. I
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think he rates it. Josh, you agree with me? I
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would have disagreed with you like four years
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ago, but now we're in the era of him fighting
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Berlanga. Fuck it. Give me Janabek Canelo. Fighting
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Crawford. Berlanga and Munguia really destroyed
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my standard for a Canelo opponent. At least,
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Charlo, you could have argued. Triple G, Trilogy.
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Again, you could argue. Even Ryder. was a solid
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opponent at the time. Ryder was a mandatory.
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What does Berlanga really give? Money. Not even,
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bro. No one likes Berlanga. He sucks. Yeah. He's
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not that good of a fighter. He's not that good
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of a person. Low -key, the Christopher Lovejoy
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of Super Middleweight. Christopher Lovejoy? He's
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a... One of those meme heavyweights. He fought
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20 guys in Mexico and then lost to a Muhammad
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Char. Oh, okay. I didn't know the name. Because
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the only place I've heard Lovejoy as a name,
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someone's name is The Simpsons. Yeah. Reverend
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Lovejoy. 6 '5", 300 pounds. He's got 20 knockouts,
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though. I'm looking forward to Jandabek's future.
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Yeah, the only fights that are, like, really
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worth talking about with him, if it's not Adamas
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or Lara, who it probably won't be, like, everyone
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else that's worth a damn is at 68. I'm not sure
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how much longer you can keep can smashing. Yeah,
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because you're just going to run out of your
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prime at that point. Right. He's 32. No money.
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Yeah. He doesn't have a lot of time. Like, he's
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got time to go up. I disagree. I think probably
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he has another eight years if he wanted to. He
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hasn't taken a lot of career damage. At his peak,
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peak. At his peak. Oh, no, no, no. At his peak,
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no, no, no. But, I mean, the guy's honestly,
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the guy's kind of retired later on in the career
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nowadays. Yeah. But he's got the WBO. He can
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move up. have that mandatory position and either
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force a fight with someone notable in the WBO
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rankings or Canelo. Champs, in their rules, champs
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that move up get to challenge the champion. That's
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what I'm saying. If he wanted to, he can. He
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could if he wanted to. He totally can. So you
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can just force it. Well, that would be pretty
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good because, you know, that could probably throw
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off Turkey's whole game plan with Canelo of being
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undisputed. And if Top Rank only wants to stick
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it to Turkey, that would be a perfect way. It
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would be. Because the WBO does not fuck around
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with their titles, dude. They will strip you.
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Well, would they strip Canelo, though? Because
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that's money in the bank, so I don't think that
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they would strip him in particular. Well... Oh,
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no, it was the IVF that stripped him last time.
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That's right. Yes. Yeah, it was the IVF. The
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WBO wouldn't, but they'd create, like, interims.
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And basically, it would just be a way to build
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profile and get used to the weight class. So
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you get names. That's true. Hopefully, after
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Canelo retires, I really do want to see another
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Super 6 tournament. Yeah, like a Super Middleweight.
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For the WBO, it's Diego Pacheco at number one,
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Mbili at number two, Berlanga at number three.
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So all three of those are good fights. And Mbili's
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on your side of the street. Berlanga, no one
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wants him, so it's easy to just pay him and get
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him over to your side. Yep. Hell, Bruno Suarez
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is technically ranked. Question. Would Berlanga
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go back to top rank, though? I don't think so.
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For one fight? Maybe. It depends on how stupid
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he is. How stupid you think him and his management
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are. I don't have a very high esteem of Berlanga.
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Like he seems like the type of person to go,
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I can totally do this. Who the fuck is this Uzbek?
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And then get starched in two. I got a feeling
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he's going to become a PBC fighter. I don't know
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why. Well, he has a profile and they are pretty
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good about doing that. And you always need that.
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You need to build there. They do need to build
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their guys. Like you need to rebuild morale.
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Yeah, for sure. I mean, that's what Matt was
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going to do with him. You know. He sucks. He
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sucks at canned. Yeah. Yeah. Well. Jalilov. Jalilov.
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I want to talk about Jalilov. Yeah, that's what
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I was going to say. I've been kind of dying about
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it. Well, let's get to it. Oh, man. He doesn't
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look interested. In fighting? No, like in being
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a pro. He doesn't look that interested. Yeah,
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that's too bad. It can totally be an off night,
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but that was a stinking performance. You watched
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that fight, right? I did not, so I'm leaning
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on you guys to kind of give me the rundown of
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how was he? Why does he look like he doesn't
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want to be there, be here in the sport at large?
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Well, I disagree with what Josh says. I don't
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know about not wanting to be in the sport. However,
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the guy he fought was... Imagine the Ukrainian
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Butterbean. Oh, geez. Yeah. And he went the distance
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with that. Just throwing one -twos. Like, the
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jabs just didn't... Like, he didn't look interested
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in stepping out of first gear, is what I mean.
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Okay. Or, like, showing any more dimensions.
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Like, he coasted off a one -two, hurt him a couple
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times, but didn't follow up. I agree. If anything,
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I... I think he just probably was interested
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in just pushing the initiative, I guess. I guess
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I could really do that then. But it's a bad sign
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at this stage because you can end up coasting
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when it matters. He hasn't even had 15 fights
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yet, and we're already plateauing with him. We'll
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see. We'll see what happens. But honestly, Jalalov.
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That was a horrible performance. I think it was
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worse than Jared Anderson's, in my opinion. So,
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serious question. We're going to be talking about
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him in a little bit. Jalalov, Richard Torres.
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Jalalov still wins. Jalalov still wins. Torres
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is so limited. It's no fault of Torres' own,
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but like... I forget how many times Jalilov beat
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him in the amateurs. Oh, shit. He didn't really
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step out of first gear there either. He basically
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stopped him in the amateurs in first gear. Yeah,
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he fucked him up. Is Jalilov like a superhero?
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And he's like ultimate power and he's just bored?
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He might be. He might be. But it's not going
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to be Torres. It's not going to be Torres who
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draws it out of him. Italma. That's the man.
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That's spicy. They're all in a collision course.
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Italma, Jalilov, and Richard Torres. They're
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going to be on a collision course. One of those
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fighters is not like the others. Yeah. Well,
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hey, you know what? We'll get into that right
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now with Richard Torres. But you know what? I'll
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try to make a case for him. All right. I'll try.
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I'll try. Anything more for Kazakhstan? Zauberbeck.
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I don't know if you were kind of paying attention,
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Josh, to Zauberbeck, but he seemed pretty good.
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Zauberbeck? Yeah. Zultan Zauberbeck. Yeah. I
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thought he did pretty good. Because I know that
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before we get to Richard Torres. Just some ones
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that I wanted to mention. Andrei Mikhailovich,
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Johnny Beck's most previous opponent. He drops
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the ball, split decision. Cohen Mazudier. He's
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an Aussie. Scrappy guy. I've enjoyed his fights.
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Of all the ones I've seen, I've enjoyed them
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all. He's scrappy, fun. Cuts a good promo for
21:29
being super religious. Still does it pretty well.
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And he beat the fucking shit out of Dan Hill.
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Oh, yeah. Oh, my goodness. Dan Hill's face was
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rearranged. That was rough. It was funny. I thought
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he was crying, but he couldn't get tears out
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because his face was so swollen. Oh, jeez. Wasn't
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as bad as Mario Barrios, though. No, not that
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bad. Tim Zhu stops Joey Spencer in the fourth.
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Joey Spencer's not that good, and this is a rebuild.
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Good bounce back, though. Good bounce back. Yeah,
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this is the rebuild for Tim Zhu. The road to
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the championship starts here. It's very easy
22:15
to, like, look ahead and just trip over what's
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in front of you if you're a zoo. Yes. Yeah. Leo,
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I know last time we were talking about Tim Zoo
22:26
and how you were mentioning how his dad wasn't
22:29
in the corner. So I kind of want to go back to
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what we were talking about last time. Honestly,
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I should not have talking about it, but point
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stands. Continue. Honestly, like Tim Zoo, he
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looked the exact same. That's the last time he
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fought, which I hope that he was going to be
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a little – he would have a little more defense.
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You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't think he'll
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ever have the defense that he should, but he
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should refine his offensive game too. Yeah, sure.
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Because getting timed is his problem. It isn't
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the chin or it isn't like – like his lapses come
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from getting timed. Yeah, that's actually facts.
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And the thing is, I saw no difference between
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last year. Yeah, but it's also Joey Spencer.
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Right. So you don't really have to worry that
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much. You could have still seen a little bit
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of change, you know what I mean? If there was
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any, which there wasn't. Which, if there's not
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any change, he's going to get flipped in the
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future. And bad. Yeah. Absolutely. Give him T.
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Thurman. Cash out with Keith Thurman and then
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maybe Ben's fight. Yeah, Sven's still around.
23:48
And then Charlo. Charlo, that's still a good
23:52
fight to make. I feel like Jesus Ramos is that
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perfect. Like, after cashing out against, cashing
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Spence out, Jesus Ramos, and then you really
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see if he's actually back still all there. Yeah.
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Because, like, Ramos is super beatable if he's
24:09
there. But if he's not there, then... Good fight
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may be Abel Ramos. I don't think Abel's a good
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one. Well, it's just a confidence builder, you
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know what I mean? Well, I suppose for that purpose,
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yes. You know, getting out knocked out like that,
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you still need some confidence boosters, you
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know what I mean? Yeah. That's why they gave
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him Joey Spencer. I think they should have another
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fight, maybe two, of confidence boosters. until
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he can get up to something like the rankings
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amongst the champions. You know what I mean?
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Is Keith Thurman a good – is he in the confidence
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booster level? No, I'm sorry. See, I have no
24:52
idea how washed Keith Thurman is or not. Does
24:55
anybody ever? Nobody's ever – Yeah, he lost to
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Pacquiao, but – Pacquiao. No, you can say so
25:04
many things about that performance, and that
25:06
was six fucking years ago, and then he beat the
25:10
shit out of Mario Barrios. Went on to become
25:13
a champion, so the win ages pretty well. That
25:17
win ages really well, but... Wait, does it age
25:21
with Mario Barrios' skill? If they rematched?
25:24
No, I'm saying with Mario Barrios and how you've
25:27
kind of seen him fight. Last couple years. Does
25:29
it really age well? It ages well compared to...
25:32
He's the weakest champion of the three. That's
25:39
what I mean. But 147. There's so much you can
25:43
say about Keith Thurman. Is he there? Is he not?
25:47
He has to be shot. He beat the dog shit out of
25:51
Mario Barrios. Yeah. That's Mario Barrios. He's
25:56
not great. He hasn't panned out as well as I
25:59
thought. The things that you expect, like when
26:06
you think of Keith Thurman as shot, you think
26:09
of him as like shot, shot, especially with the
26:12
injuries that he had to come back from. Yeah.
26:15
It's just the movement. He's been moving pretty
26:17
good. And that's why I'm like, how shot is he
26:20
really? I would like for Tim Zhu to determine
26:23
that. Yes, please. Make it in Australia. Yeah,
26:29
keep Keith in Australia. Have him beat up Aussies
26:33
and he can do like a Floyd Mayweather -esque
26:36
sort of career run. Yeah, he cuts a good promo
26:42
too. He cuts a great promo. Yeah, he does. He
26:47
would talk a lot of shit. Just play the heel.
26:50
talk shit about the Aussies. None of your guys
26:54
aren't good enough to be on my level and whatever.
26:57
It would be great. Yeah, he would. Alright, anything
27:03
more for Australia before we move on to... Nope.
27:08
Fun stuff. Oh, man. At the Palms Resort in Vegas.
27:16
Richard Torres gets the job done. Of all the
27:20
other fights on the card, there's only two that
27:23
I really wanted to mention. Did I miss anything
27:27
else? Are there others that are worth pointing
27:30
out? No. All right, cool. There's, what's his
27:34
name, Bang Bang? Chop Chop, Chop Chop, Chop Chop
27:37
Gonzalez. Chop Chop Gonzalez. Albert Gonzalez.
27:42
Yeah, Chop Chop, Albert Chop Chop, yeah. Yeah,
27:45
he's... He had kind of a lackluster performance.
27:48
I just wanted to mention that. We get into our
27:53
wiki bag just to be like, yeah, he didn't...
27:56
Pretty midder. Pretty fucking midder. No, the
27:59
thing is, I think he can do a lot better, but
28:02
I just felt like he just didn't step it up this
28:04
time around for some reason. No. But he does
28:10
have some potential, which I'm kind of... Try
28:13
to follow him a little more? Yeah. We'll see
28:16
what happens with him. I wanted to point out
28:18
Elvis Rodriguez drops the ball. Majority decision.
28:22
Lindolfo Delgado is not terrible. But he's not
28:26
who you want to be. No, you don't want to be
28:29
dropping the ball to this guy. But who fucking
28:35
did not drop the ball? Abdullah Mason. I was
28:38
thinking about this one. And I wanted to say
28:41
instead of like Pretty Boy Floyd in the kind
28:44
of rhyme. So Pretty Fella Abdullah is what I
28:52
wanted to go with. I don't know if it works as
28:54
well as Pretty Boy Floyd. But man, that is exactly
28:57
who he fucking looks like. Just beautiful offense,
29:02
beautiful violence. It's amazing to watch him
29:05
fight. And I know that I sound like I'm glazing.
29:08
Kind of him because Abdullah Mason is fucking
29:11
legit. He's special. Yeah, if you are not watching
29:15
him, you are missing out for real. Mason the
29:20
Menace? Yeah. That works a lot better than Pretty
29:23
Fella. I like Pretty Fella. What do you think
29:30
is next for him? For Abdullah Mason? He should
29:34
have fought Giovanni Cabrera. I think he should
29:36
have fought him again. He should. Yeah, he still
29:38
should. Honestly, bring Yoshino out. See how
29:43
he does it better than Shakur. Yeah. Bring Yoshino
29:49
out. Man, he's going to hurt Yoshino because
29:52
Yoshino's there to be hit. Luis Alberto Lopez
29:55
moved up, too, if you want a fun fight. He's
30:01
a lightweight now. I thought that he just did
30:03
that because he had been out for a while. And
30:07
so he just kind of took that little gimme fight
30:09
back at the end of March. You might be right.
30:12
But also, I think that's a fun fight. I think
30:17
that Mason would seriously hurt Luis Lopez. Oh,
30:25
absolutely. I fear for his health. He had a really
30:27
nasty knockout and had a subdural hematoma as
30:33
a result. and that probably shouldn't be back
30:35
right that's you that's supposed to be a career
30:38
ender not because you can't continue but like
30:43
you better you shouldn't shouldn't if you want
30:46
to like you want to see your kids grow up uh
30:49
don't leave them alone top rank leave what's
30:53
the top rank leave it now though alone uh what's
30:56
his name um ray murataya that's a yeah it's a
31:00
decent one Floyd Schofield. I don't think he's
31:03
ready for that. Okay, I was thinking Floyd Schofield,
31:07
but is Golden Boy really going to risk it? No.
31:09
They're not going to do that. Fuck no, they're
31:11
not going to do that. That's not to be mean,
31:13
but that's also kind of not a good fight for
31:15
Bill Mason at this stage of his career. I think
31:19
he should get someone that is either shot or
31:22
is like so low. Actually, I take that back. He's
31:26
kind of a contender now, right? He's getting
31:29
there. I think he should just... Fight the Cabrera's
31:34
of the world. You know? And then move up. I have
31:37
a couple fights with the Cabrera's. Guys like
31:39
Maxie Hughes, too. Maxie Hughes, yeah. I think
31:43
a good step -up fight is also Kambosis. I was
31:46
just going to say that. I feel like Kambosis
31:49
is like... We know Kambosis would lose, but I
31:54
feel like Kambosis is not at a stage where he's
31:56
going to totally sell out. Especially since he's
32:00
at 140 now. I'm actually trying. I think he can
32:03
make 135 if the money's right. Yeah, no, for
32:05
sure. He's just, like, I feel like Kamboso's,
32:09
like, it's not that he's, like, a high -skill
32:13
fighter, but he's a high -value fighter just
32:15
due to how high his value. Yeah. Like, it's more
32:19
money than Abdullah is worth right now, if that
32:24
makes sense. That's true. That's true. I mean,
32:27
he could probably fight Keyshawn's leftovers.
32:28
He could maybe fight Lamos. That's actually a
32:31
good shout, is just swim in the wake of Keyshawn
32:34
Davis. Yeah. If we want to bring out the corpse
32:39
of Miguel Burchelt, who's still doing it. Oh,
32:42
shit. That would be horrible. Burchelt's still
32:47
at it. Is he? He's still at it. Oh, man. I thought
32:52
he hung it up. No. So you know what? You totally
32:56
could bring out the, like. Like the shell of
32:59
Miguel Burchelt. Oscar Valdez? Is he still due?
33:04
Again, too high value. Too high value. Okay,
33:07
yeah. You're right. Too high value. And also,
33:09
I don't think he's ready for something like that
33:11
yet. I think he needs to get to the hanger part.
33:17
To fight guys like that. He's in between the
33:19
tags and the hangers, in my opinion. He's got
33:21
to be careful about fighting the little Mexican
33:24
fighter. I'll tell you that. The duel has to
33:26
be careful. Because he is suspect to get chinned.
33:31
I was thinking that Mason is more at the hanger
33:35
to ironed. Yeah, you need to step him up, but
33:41
it's difficult to matchmake him because he's
33:43
a top rank and you need opponents who are on
33:47
the down end of their careers or too high value.
33:50
Yeah, that's true. What about somebody who's
33:52
on his level of being on the rise? No, I mean,
33:57
if you want to feed him to Andy Cruz, go ahead.
34:00
No, Andy Cruz, I think, is ahead of him. Yeah.
34:04
I think he'd be Andy Cruz, but that's kind of
34:06
wild to say. I mean, Lucas Boddy, the kind of...
34:11
The Indian dude from Canada? Yeah, from Canada.
34:15
Well, the thing is that he took out that Jake
34:19
Paul prospect, Ashton Sylvie. So the thing is
34:23
that... I feel like Body's at the peak of his
34:25
value right now. Ooh, good point. He's rematching
34:30
Ashton, though, isn't he? Yeah. He's probably
34:33
going to beat Ashton again, honestly. Josh Padley.
34:37
Josh Padley. That is enough name value right
34:42
now. That's true. You're right. You're right.
34:44
But then, like, why not Maxie Hughes? Maxie Hughes
34:48
is on the down slope, so that would be... I would
34:51
say Maxie Hughes then, Josh Padley. Yeah, no
34:55
one wants Maxie Hughes either. No one cares.
34:58
I mean, shoot. Cabrera, Maxie Hughes, Padley.
35:01
He has enough of a profile, and then you give
35:03
him a shot at... You can't get a shot at a title
35:06
for a while, though. There's some... There's
35:08
that British Sam Noakes. I think that's a good
35:12
one. That's on his level. True. Mark Chamberlain?
35:17
Why not? Send them to Slogger. Guys that are
35:21
just not the best that Duel can probably win
35:25
against, you know, to make them look better.
35:27
But they're better than the current stuff he's
35:30
getting in the ring with. Oh, yeah, sure. Oh,
35:32
yeah. Either way, I'm excited for what Duel's
35:36
going to face in the future. I'm going to keep
35:38
closely watching his career. I am, yeah. I will
35:41
continue being a fucking hardcore stan for...
35:46
Abdullah. The thing with Abdullah is that he
35:49
does have a lot of mistakes. He does make a good
35:51
amount of mistakes that I think can be fixed.
35:54
But he needs to fix them as soon as possible
35:56
or else he's going to get turned into a Devin
35:57
Haney situation. Oh. Well, part of Devin Haney's
36:01
problem is that he has no power to dissuade people
36:05
from exploiting his errors. So there's two, again,
36:08
as I said with Sue, there's two ways for Mason
36:11
to go about it. There's refine that offensive
36:13
game so you can't really get time. Or just round
36:17
yourself out. Are you going to put your points
36:20
into defense or the finer parts of offense? Personally,
36:27
I think Abdullah's offense is pretty great, besides
36:32
the fact that he can get a little too overconfident
36:34
at times. That's part of refining the offense,
36:37
though. Just that bit of discipline. Patience.
36:41
Observation. That patience to be able to observe
36:44
and then punish even harder. Boots has it perfectly.
36:50
Go east a little bit to Philly. Boots doesn't
36:55
overextend himself overly. We'll talk about that
37:02
when we get to Boots. But that's besides the
37:03
point. That's for the next one. Yeah, that'll
37:07
be next time. So, Richard Torres. Gets the UD
37:11
over Guido. I've been saying this as much as
37:15
I like Richard Torres as a character. I enjoy
37:18
his fights. He is an exciting fighter to watch.
37:22
The size disparity between him and the current
37:27
standard for heavyweight, I see him not being
37:31
able to overcome it the way Joseph Parker has
37:35
been able to. And he's certainly no Mike Tyson.
37:39
Like, that's not even fucking pretend. He's definitely
37:43
not Usyk. Right. He's not Usyk either. It's just
37:47
he comes. I don't think it's. Yeah, you're right.
37:50
He's not going to be able to. The man needs pep
37:52
in his step, dude. True. His feet are his worst
37:55
aspect. It's atrocious. But he's a tap dancer.
38:00
How does he not have lighter feet? Like, he can
38:05
move laterally. It's just when he comes forward,
38:08
it's in such lumbering steps that, like, he gets
38:11
timed by anyone in the top ten. He almost got
38:15
timed by Guido. Oh, Guido. I actually love Guido.
38:19
I love Guido. He's like a guilty pleasure to
38:23
watch. I love Guido. If Guido used his jab, I
38:27
think he could have won the fight. Yeah, but
38:30
he can't. He's Guido Vianello, bro. Yeah. Rich
38:34
Torres, dude, when he was going in, he didn't
38:36
go left or right. He goes straight to the center.
38:38
And he doesn't mix it up. You know what I mean?
38:40
Which it's pretty frustrating to see. Seeing
38:44
how he's a short heavyweight. You know? And again,
38:48
like Leo said, I love the guy. I think he's humble.
38:51
He's a great man to listen to and watch. It's
38:54
just kind of hard. He's too small. I think the
38:58
sudden step up from like... actual cans to like
39:03
Guido Vianello means they're gonna try and cash
39:06
him out soon oh you think so that's too bad like
39:09
it's like it's just so sudden where they're like
39:13
like basically if he lost to Guido then Guido
39:16
is now the guy they can cash out well I do want
39:22
to see Richard Torres with Jerry Anderson I think
39:24
that is the fight to make a heavyweight That's
39:26
going to be, I mean this unironically, the biggest
39:29
American heavyweight fight we've had in the last,
39:32
I don't even know how long, 20 years? I wish,
39:35
for the love of God, that Michael Hunter was
39:37
still around and not like a part -time fighter
39:40
on the BLK Prime. Because like Michael Hunter,
39:46
Michael Hunter actually is a good heavyweight.
39:50
When he fights. When he was younger, yeah. I
39:55
think if he was with someone like PBC, he could
39:59
have been with him and Wilder. It's kind of been
40:03
over for him since that draw with Jerry Forrest.
40:07
Yeah. It's kind of unfortunate to see the whole
40:12
American heavyweight landscape, how dead it is.
40:16
It's buried underneath cement in a casket. It's
40:21
horrible right now. Well, I mean, heavyweight
40:24
as a whole is going to be kind of, like, as soon
40:27
as Usyk retires, like, it's kind of going to
40:31
be fat dudes beating each other up for a while.
40:34
I disagree. I don't think so either. Because,
40:38
like, you have Dubois. Who lost to Usyk, like,
40:42
super comprehensively. What? Usyk, though. Usyk's
40:45
one of the greatest heavyweights. No, I know,
40:48
but that's what I mean. Like, heavyweight's going
40:49
to be kind of lost for a fair bit across the
40:52
board. I actually disagree on that point. There's
40:57
a lot of guys that, at least I'm copying, that
41:00
you can make fights with like Dubois. I do see
41:03
Dubois. I'm not saying the fights won't be fun.
41:07
I'm saying the fights are, like, they're going
41:11
to be fun because heavyweight's always fun. But
41:13
also, like, we're not going to see progression
41:17
in the division, if that makes sense. Like a
41:22
next -gen somebody. Yeah, like we saw two guys
41:26
rising up to the top. Yeah, we saw that. Who
41:32
is it? I get Caballel. No erasure of Caballel.
41:43
Yeah, but I mean... Would Usyk be? I don't know.
41:49
Usyk wasn't even a natural heavyweight. I need
41:52
to see the progress start to happen because anyone
41:58
could beat anyone other than Usyk. The thing
42:02
is, Usyk wasn't even part of this current generation
42:06
heavyweight. The big three were Fury, AJ, Wilder.
42:11
They didn't fight each other besides Wilder and
42:13
Fury. But he took it over at the very end. Yeah,
42:17
exactly. I mean, that shows you how shit the
42:20
generation was. But we still saw the progression.
42:25
Like, we had AJ and Wilder, and then Fury came
42:29
in. Like, we had progression building towards
42:33
this. But the shit never happened, though. It
42:37
was, yeah, the generation of these three fighters.
42:39
But it got solved. There was an ending, and there
42:42
was progress, and there was an ending. With Usyk.
42:47
Usyk came and killed everybody. Yeah. Which is
42:50
that still progress. That whole generation was
42:52
bullshit. Well. I don't think the generation
42:58
was bullshit. I think Usyk is just that good.
43:01
Usyk is that good. I do think that kind of generation
43:04
was bullshit. In my opinion. I'm just talking
43:08
about how they just never fought each other.
43:10
And then Usyk just came in and killed everybody.
43:12
I think we only had like. There was only like
43:16
two matchups that never really happened, which
43:18
was AJ Fury and AJ Wilder. AJ Fury might be coming
43:22
up. It's obviously like 10 years too late. Yeah,
43:25
but in their primes, dude. Of course. Well, the
43:28
thing is that AJ Fury never happening is Fury's
43:31
fault after what he did post -Klitschko. Yeah.
43:36
And then AJ Wilder, that could have been the
43:39
biggest heavyweight fight in history. Oh, for
43:43
sure. Yeah. But we still saw the progress when
43:49
Fury came back and beat Wilder. Fury, Wilder,
43:52
AJ, Usyk, those two, like, they faced off, and
43:55
then, obviously, we got... Yeah, like, we still
43:57
saw progress towards a guy for the generation.
44:03
Well, the thing is, I don't... Okay, again, of
44:06
course, Usyk's in the heavyweight. I know that
44:07
Usyk's heavy. I'm not stupid, but, like, Usyk
44:10
wasn't in the heavyweight, in that generation
44:12
of heavyweights, if that makes any sense. In
44:15
my view, at least. He became like a disruptor,
44:18
but he didn't come from that generation. It's
44:23
like saying Evander Holyfield wasn't in the 90s
44:26
generation of heavyweights. Well, he was in there
44:30
for a while after Cruiserweight. So was Usyk.
44:33
Usyk has been too. Not as long as Evander. Like
44:39
when Evander became undisputed in, what was it,
44:41
1990? Hold on. Let me look at, let me pull up
44:46
the box rec. But he wasn't, like, Usyk's been
44:50
in there since, like, let me see. He was a career
44:53
heavyweight. No, he was undisputed at cruiserweights.
44:58
But he was in heavyweight longer than cruiser.
45:02
Yeah, but when he became undisputed, he'd only
45:05
been there for a year and a half, maybe. Usyk
45:09
becoming undisputed? Yeah. Buster Douglas. Yeah,
45:16
and then 1988, late 1988 against James Tillis
45:20
was his heavyweight debut. I see Usyk as a cruiserweight
45:25
coming up. I don't see him as a pure heavyweight
45:30
from that generation because he didn't come from
45:33
that generation heavyweights. You know what I
45:36
mean? He was a disruptor. I don't think he's
45:38
the same argument with Evander. He was a disruptor
45:41
in that generation of heavyweights. Yeah, but
45:43
Usyk spent five years in heavyweight and fought
45:49
the best of his generation. I know, but it's
45:53
like they are heavyweights. We agree on the same
45:55
thing. Usyk's the man. Let me bring this back
45:59
around to Richard Torres. He's not the man. He's
46:03
not the man. He's not the man. It's unfortunate.
46:07
I am going to continue cheering for him, supporting
46:10
him in however, whatever ways I can. But it's
46:15
just going to be for the fun. It'll be fun. It'll
46:17
be fun, at least. He'll still be entertaining
46:19
after the fact. Well, hopefully. Yeah. The thing
46:24
is, I don't see him losing for a while, just
46:26
purely on the fact that there's just not a lot
46:27
of heavyweights that Top Ring would probably
46:29
put him in. Put him with? Is that Jay Anderson?
46:32
Oh, they don't have a lot of options. Top Rank
46:37
doesn't really want to work with Turkey anymore.
46:39
They have a good relationship with Queensberry,
46:42
but again, you don't want to feed him to Moses
46:45
Itama just for fun. Yeah. I just don't see Top
46:50
Rank letting him out of the stable much. No.
46:53
He's going to fight Jared Anderson, and then
46:54
they're going to wait for a world title to present
46:56
itself once Usyk fully steps away. I got a feeling
47:00
he could fight Parker. Yeah. Because that's the
47:04
WBO, right? That is the top ranked title. Whatever
47:06
Bob orders. Yep. There are other names around,
47:10
too, that they could bring in. Murat Gassiev,
47:14
who was part of Usyk's crop. It's a name, and
47:18
they're similar in size. No, I'm saying Usyk
47:20
because he could have been so good at heavyweight,
47:24
but he's just so lazy. I think Usyk broke him.
47:30
That's true. Give me Jermaine Franklin as a show.
47:34
Bring him back into the mix. I'll get Cabello's
47:39
actually similar size to Richard Torres. Yeah.
47:44
Cabello's so weird because pre -Turkey, I was
47:51
just like, what are you doing, man? Like, it
47:56
wasn't fun. He wasn't doing much, and it wasn't
48:01
very fun to watch him. And then all of a sudden,
48:04
he smokes Makhmadov, Sanchez, and Zhang. Yep.
48:09
He's the modern Max Schmilling. I was like, what
48:12
are you doing? Oh, come on. I'm sorry. I had
48:17
to say it again. I see this every time we mention
48:19
Cabello. He's the modern Max Schmilling. Honestly,
48:22
the most satisfying one was still him beating
48:24
Frank Sanchez. That was... That was fun. That
48:28
was a good one. That was satisfying to watch.
48:29
He was, like... Just got rid of him. Frank Sanchez
48:34
has held on a pedestal for years, dude. He was.
48:39
Yeah. I think they were expecting Frank to beat
48:42
Caballel, too, right? Yeah. I thought it was
48:45
a legit concern. Yeah, I did. But when you looked
48:49
at Caballel's body of work up to, like, that
48:52
point, like, yeah, maybe Mac Mudab's a fraud,
48:55
right? Like, other than Makhmadov pre -Sanchez,
48:59
his best win was robbing Derek Chisora in 2017.
49:04
Yeah. Which is, like, if you're robbing Derek
49:08
Chisora in any year after, like, 2014, you've
49:14
got it rough. You've got it. You've got it rough.
49:18
You don't have it. You've got it rough. So, the
49:24
fact that he just, like... Sanchez looked somewhat
49:27
good. The thing is that I think Frank Sanchez,
49:33
I think he could have done a little more in that
49:35
fight, which we could have talked about another
49:36
time. But I think he could have done a little
49:38
more, you know, pizzazz, if I guess the word.
49:43
Yeah. To win over the judges. I mean, well, Sanchez
49:46
just got cooked. Yeah. He came back. He had a
49:53
comeback fight in February. On the 22nd, which
49:59
is a busy day. So what about Frank Sanchez versus
50:03
Richard Torres? Depends on which Frank shows
50:09
up. If it's the one who actually wants to engage,
50:11
it'll be fun. If not, I don't think Torres has
50:16
the footwork. Unless, like, top -ranked breaks
50:19
Sanchez's legs. Well, the last time when he fought
50:22
Caballel, his knees were not cooperating. His
50:26
knees were cooked, yeah. They were going different
50:29
directions, absolutely. So, just an idea. But
50:36
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Moving into the previews. Saturday, April 19th,
53:02
we have two cards, one of which I don't care
53:05
about. You want to guess which one it is between
53:07
Matchroom and the UK or Golden Boy? Yeah. It's
53:12
the... Don Smith. Right. So this is headlined
53:18
by Dalton Smith and Matthew Germain. There's
53:22
a couple of other... Josh Padley making his Matchroom...
53:27
As a contract fighter making his debut. Listen,
53:29
I need to see Josh Warrington die. That's all.
53:33
Yeah, he's fighting. It won't happen. Josh Padley's
53:37
fighting Marko Chetanovic and Josh Warrington.
53:43
Asad Asif Khan. Asad, bro, what do you need?
53:48
Tell me. How can I help? Yeah, like I need Warrington
53:53
gone. Warrington is a cockroach. no no survive
53:58
a nuclear holocaust like i'm serious everything
54:02
keeps losing and then he keeps showing up again
54:05
and like it's gonna be this fight and it's gonna
54:08
be this fight and then a world title shot it's
54:11
british kambosis oh gross i think that works
54:17
no but no no hey give kambosa some respect key
54:21
detail female fair and square back in the day
54:26
Like, man, like, I just, I don't, like, it's
54:31
just horrible. Like, every single time you watch
54:35
a Warrington fight, he just uses the fucking,
54:38
he just headbutts the other guy to death. Yeah.
54:42
He's a prick. I'm sure he does. Then he goes
54:46
on social media and cries about how the referee
54:48
robs him when he gets stopped. Twice he's been
54:53
stopped. Yeah. Honestly, the first one was so
55:01
hilarious to Mauricio Lara. Yeah, it was good.
55:08
It's COVID. Literally, if Warrington falls down
55:14
and no one can hear it, did it happen? No one
55:21
could hear him. That one was beautiful. Otherwise,
55:27
like, I need, I just, I need him gone, man. Asada
55:30
Sif Khan, bro. Take my energy. And that's, like,
55:37
that's the limit of my caring. Dalton Smith's
55:40
alright, you know, so I'm a sicko. I'm gonna
55:44
be watching. That doesn't mean that I'm, like,
55:48
really excited about it. You must be a really
55:51
big sicko. I am. Yeah, I was going to say, you're
55:54
watching him fight a guy who, like, Yves Ulysses
55:57
Jr. put out the pasture. I wasn't going to say
56:00
that. I was going to say, you must be a really
56:01
big sicko to ignore, to think this is the worst
56:04
card, because Josh Padley's on here. Oh, good
56:07
point. He's the king. Yeah, that's a good point.
56:10
The boxer card is not much better. Also on the
56:16
19th, this is the one that I was saying is better.
56:19
I thought this was great. Gabby Fandora. headlining
56:23
probably on well on this card though yeah let's
56:26
let me uh let's get back to the let's get back
56:29
on the boxing yeah yeah at the front wave arena
56:33
in oceanside california uh this i've looked this
56:37
place up front wave arena is on hero drive what
56:41
the fuck yeah uh but there's a lot of shit on
56:45
here that i don't really care about so Don't
56:48
get all upset. Don't get upset, British people,
56:52
because I don't really give a shit about this
56:53
one either. I'm going to just list off the stuff
56:56
that I do care about. And it's only three of
56:59
them. Oleksandr Vosdik versus Anthony Holloway.
57:04
Eight rounder. Man, Vosdik, how are you going
57:06
to go from fighting Benavidez to this? Is he
57:12
still a goal boy now? I think he might be, but
57:15
hey, man, if you're getting paid, Congrats. Keep
57:19
it going as long as you can. He doesn't even
57:23
look that bad. No, he doesn't. He's still in
57:27
there. Yeah. Still in there. It's a good fight
57:32
for Morel, in my opinion. Oof. Yeah. I honestly
57:37
think he stops Vostok. Even though Benavidez
57:42
couldn't, I think Morel can. Yeah. I disagree
57:46
with that. Well, it depends on how Morel improves
57:49
because he just needs a bit more precision and
57:52
fine -tuning to his game. Let's see how his power
57:55
carried over to 175. Enough to wobble Benavidez.
58:02
True that. Enough to wobble Benavidez, yeah.
58:05
You're right. Moving up. Charles Conwell versus
58:11
Jorge Garcia Perez. Alex, you're a bit of a Conwell
58:16
fan, aren't you? A little bit. A little bit.
58:21
I should look into him more. I don't look at
58:25
him as much as I watch someone like Abdul Mason.
58:28
But he's still on my radar. You know what I mean?
58:30
Right. I need him in the mix at 154 at this point.
58:34
Seriously. He does need to. He needs to step
58:37
it up. He's got the goods to step up. But the
58:41
problem is he's a golden boy. Right. That's one
58:44
of his biggest issues, that he's with Goldenboy.
58:46
I was surprised to hear he was with Goldenboy,
58:49
seeing as how he's not... He was with Matchroom,
58:55
and then he killed that guy and took a while
58:57
off, and then he came back with Goldenboy. That's
59:00
what I was saying. I thought he was still at
59:02
Matchroom. But seeing as how he's with Goldenboy,
59:05
that's going to kill his career, in my opinion.
59:09
Who knows? If he goes the turkey route. I mean,
59:17
if he goes the turkey route, yeah. But, I mean,
59:19
the only guy he could really get an in -house
59:20
fight with is obviously going to be Virgil. The
59:23
other guys are PBC fighters. You know? They're
59:26
not going to put him in with Virgil. Fuck no.
59:29
They would never. Because that kills their money.
59:31
Right. I think with in -house fights, they don't
59:33
want to destroy their own money. You know what
59:35
I mean? Moving up. It's the last one. Gabriela
59:39
Fandora, undisputed flyweight champion versus
59:41
top contender Marilyn Badillo Amaya. I hope Gabby
59:47
wins. I'm very hopeful. I'm very certain that
59:53
she's going to win. Gabby's a damn good fighter.
59:57
She's huge. For flyweight, she's fucking really
1:00:01
tall. She's 5 '9 of flyweight. also for the for
1:00:08
the women's as well he's really talented seriously
1:00:10
she's really good like she's up there i think
1:00:14
with clarissa type skill you know i mean she's
1:00:18
on the road to establishing herself in the same
1:00:21
in the same way yeah and i i actually i'm not
1:00:26
to sound like like funny and be like misogynistic
1:00:28
it's not it's actually not supposed to be misogynistic
1:00:31
but gabby is like the first time in a while i
1:00:34
was like really really hyped up or like a female
1:00:37
fighter because the last time i was like like
1:00:40
watching a female fighter was like amanda serrano
1:00:42
someone like that you know i mean right but it's
1:00:44
been a while since i've like had a female fighter
1:00:47
on my radar yeah exactly hyped i say i actually
1:00:51
believe in carolyn dubois a fair bit she's good
1:00:55
she's good yeah carolyn dubois as well i'm really
1:01:01
hyped about gabriella though yeah just really
1:01:04
humble too Which I like. Oh, yeah, she's just...
1:01:08
Well, it runs in the family, I guess. Pandora's
1:01:11
also, I guess, weird that way. She's good, you
1:01:16
know? She's funny. I've talked to her a few times.
1:01:20
She's fun. Really? Yeah. After fights. You have
1:01:25
talked to Gabby, then? I have. I don't have her
1:01:28
fucking phone number or anything. It was just
1:01:29
in a professional context. You could have...
1:01:33
Could have tried. No, you're not getting the
1:01:36
hookup in a professional context. No. Yeah, I
1:01:40
couldn't. In a professional context. Where do
1:01:44
you think does Gabby land top 10 skill for skill?
1:01:53
Skill for skill, Josh, are you familiar with
1:01:56
it? It's a thing I made up. It's a gender neutral
1:02:00
pound for pound. Fuck, that's a cool concept.
1:02:07
I gotta think of that. I think she could make
1:02:09
top 10 to 15, but I don't think she cracks the
1:02:13
top 10. No, the top 10, it's... That's tough.
1:02:17
The gap presents itself just on ruleset and history.
1:02:22
Yeah. Of top 15 of all time? No, just... No,
1:02:26
presently. Yeah, all time, no. All time, fuck
1:02:29
no. The all time discussion is for when we have
1:02:33
a dead week. You know what? I do think she has
1:02:39
potential. I'm not even joking. She has a lot
1:02:42
of potential. And I think she can get there.
1:02:44
Yeah. She makes the top 20. Skill for skill.
1:02:49
Yeah, skill for skill right now. Top 20. You
1:02:53
got the goods, Gabriela. You got the goods. I
1:02:57
would say top 10. Top 10? That's what I was asking.
1:03:01
Because I said like 10 to 15. Like I'll agree
1:03:04
10 to 15, but I need to make like a formal list
1:03:07
being like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
1:03:11
Josh is playing devil's advocate. I think that
1:03:15
was good, dude. She's really, she is very talented.
1:03:17
So I would put her, I would rate her highly amongst
1:03:19
all the women in boxing. Yeah. Oh, so yeah. Isn't
1:03:22
she like the first undisputed? Um, she's the
1:03:26
youngest undisputed champion ever. Oh yeah. Yeah.
1:03:30
Yeah. That was my first time disputed from Coachella
1:03:33
for the women's bet. Anything more for the Golden
1:03:39
Boy card? Hell nah. All right. Last thing before
1:03:46
we get the hell out of here. And least. Yes,
1:03:48
last but also least. On Sunday, April 20th, if
1:03:55
you have weed, do that instead. You'll probably
1:03:58
have more fun. Actually, have weed and watch
1:04:02
the main event. Shit. The co -main is actually
1:04:05
pretty fun, too. That, too. Well, no, it isn't.
1:04:09
Today is so old. I know. All right, let's get
1:04:13
into it. This is Boxer. If you're in the US,
1:04:17
it's going to be on Peacock streaming service.
1:04:20
And then if you're elsewhere, it'll be on Sky
1:04:22
or Sky Sports, I think. But in the UK, Ben Whittaker.
1:04:28
He's making his return. I know you're just real
1:04:32
fucking miffed that he's still doing it. Maybe
1:04:36
you are. I don't know. I'm putting words in your
1:04:38
mouth. He's rematching the dude that he had the
1:04:43
draw with. He fell out of the ring or something
1:04:46
and then he was all... That was if he faked his
1:04:48
injury. That was a fake injury. Run the tape.
1:04:52
He was getting cooked. Yeah, he was in trouble.
1:04:56
I hope he gets cooked again. The co -main that
1:04:59
I mentioned would be kind of fun is Frazier Clark.
1:05:02
He's a decent -ish British -level heavyweight.
1:05:07
Yeah, British. I did have to add that qualifier.
1:05:11
Most known for having a dent put in his head
1:05:15
by Fabio Wardley. And his opponent, Ebenezer
1:05:20
Teta is how they pronounce it. Yeah. It's this
1:05:25
very old man. You can find YouTube videos of
1:05:32
him. You can see how he amassed his professional
1:05:36
record, 23 and 2. You can see because there's
1:05:40
just really poor quality videos. They set up
1:05:44
in the middle of a park and they put a really
1:05:46
dingy ring together. And we're talking like jumping,
1:05:50
skipping ropes as the ropes. Yeah. Or actual
1:05:53
like cargo ship fucking ropes. It's unfortunate.
1:06:00
I can't talk shit. No, I'm not talking shit.
1:06:03
This is just what it is. It's interesting. It's
1:06:06
an interesting state of affairs that they got
1:06:07
going on in his corner of Africa. That's like
1:06:11
Street Beats. Nah, Street Beats has the whole
1:06:15
hexagon. They're up in the budget recently. It's
1:06:21
probably a higher budget than this fight. Oh,
1:06:24
fuck yeah, dude. It's Boxer. Of course. Teta
1:06:28
getting paid in a goat. He's going to get three
1:06:33
polos that have various IT companies that he
1:06:39
has nothing to do with, but he's going to get
1:06:41
those IT guy polos. That's part of his payout.
1:06:46
Man, if Frazier Clark doesn't win this, that's
1:06:50
a tough one. That's such a tough road back. It
1:06:53
might be time to consider coaching instead. Might
1:06:59
be time for a David Allen rematch if you lose
1:07:01
to Ebenezer Tete. That'd be sad. What do you
1:07:08
mean? The White Rhino is only... What was the
1:07:10
thing they said in, like, 2018? He's only three
1:07:12
fights away from AJ? In when? When he beat...
1:07:20
Lucas Brown. I think Eddie Hearn was like, he's
1:07:24
maybe three fights away from AJ, and then AJ
1:07:26
lost to Andy Ruiz. And I'm like, yeah, he's three
1:07:29
losses away from AJ fighting him. David Allen
1:07:32
lost to Tony Yoka. How did I not know this? He
1:07:37
lost to David Price in the year of our Lord 2019.
1:07:40
I remember that. I remember because Robbie was
1:07:43
a big fan of Cool as Ice Price. I was so sad
1:07:49
to see it. I needed the meme to just go a little
1:07:52
bit farther. Brad doesn't like it like that,
1:07:57
though. If you're ever feeling, if you're ever
1:07:59
bored, there's no boxing on, look up his fight
1:08:04
with Ariel Esteban Bracamonte and just get stoned
1:08:09
and watch it. Bracamonte is just gigantic. Argentine,
1:08:13
isn't he? Argentinian. Yeah, but they just, like,
1:08:15
for six rounds, they just went balls to the wall.
1:08:19
No defense, no movement. Party. They just wailed
1:08:26
on each other. And finally, the rematch, Ben
1:08:32
Whitaker versus Liam Cameron. We already laid
1:08:35
out the foundation of it. Fucking fake the injury.
1:08:39
to get out of a fight he was very clearly losing,
1:08:42
then they're going to rematch. So Ben Whittaker,
1:08:48
he's my guilty pleasure. The way his dancing
1:08:51
triggers the libs of boxing, it just, it does
1:08:57
it for me. The libs are your co -hosts, but yeah.
1:09:01
It's the phrase. It triggers people. The boxing
1:09:05
fans get all up in their feelings about Ben Whittaker.
1:09:07
I get in my feelings about him. He's going to
1:09:10
get better. I was so happy watching him get fraud
1:09:13
checked at the Olympics. I've been hate watching
1:09:17
since the Olympics. That's how much you know
1:09:21
he's a fucking hater. The hate watch is crazy.
1:09:26
That is a level of sicko I have yet to reach.
1:09:30
Yeah, that's crazy. If you're more sick than
1:09:33
fucking Leo, you're sick. Listen, listen, listen.
1:09:37
I'm going to be smoking the pack this weekend.
1:09:41
Well, yeah, we'll see. I'm going to be smoking
1:09:42
the pack at the end of the day. We'll see what
1:09:45
happens with Ben Whitaker. I hope he loses, though.
1:09:47
I do hope he loses, but for the memes, I would
1:09:53
like for him to win. What if he gets, like, a
1:09:57
fight with Benavidez, dude? He's not that. No,
1:09:59
no, no. Fuck no. No, no, no. Anthony Yard. Give
1:10:02
him Anthony Yard because Anthony Yard is actually,
1:10:04
like, that fight would be so bad in, like, the
1:10:09
best way. Maybe more. Ben Whitaker just jabs
1:10:14
Anthony Yard's non -existent defense in his face
1:10:17
until Yard, like, just beats the shit out of
1:10:20
them. Ah, yeah. I want to see Ben Whitaker lose.
1:10:26
Do I want him to win to lose more embarrassingly
1:10:29
another day? Or do I want him to lose embarrassingly
1:10:32
now? Both things can be true at the same time.
1:10:36
True. I want him to get better at it. You know
1:10:40
what puts the theme? Oh, my God. Want something
1:10:44
like that. Give me that. Just getting cooked.
1:10:48
I just need him to get cooked. Give me that Spence
1:10:51
Crawford beatdown. Oh, Jesus. Don't hurt the
1:10:55
man. I need him to get cooked like that. Yeah,
1:10:59
I mean, we're just wishing for his death at this
1:11:01
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.net. Last thing. Last words on Boxer. How excited
1:12:28
are you for Ben Whitaker to get back into dancing
1:12:30
spirit form? I'm not that excited. I'm just.
1:12:36
I am. As a boxing fan, I just can't. I'm a sicko,
1:12:42
but even this is a little too much. We need him
1:12:46
gone. I should have saved that, what I just said,
1:12:50
for this. We're heading into, well, it's Matchroom.
1:12:54
We got the Matchroom card. Dalton Smith versus
1:12:57
Jermaine. We got the Golden Boy card. Gabby Fundora.
1:13:02
Skill for skill. Level talent. And then Ben Whittaker.
1:13:07
That's the weekend we got. in boxing. With that
1:13:10
in mind, parting words. Pro box good. Where's
1:13:15
pro box? Pro box good. Where's pro box? Where's
1:13:19
pro box? Is it okay? I hope. Please don't. Please
1:13:24
call me pro box if something's wrong. I want
1:13:27
to help. I want to keep you healthy. Alex, what
1:13:32
do you got? Let's go Gabby Fandora and let's
1:13:36
go Charles Conwell. See you next week. I love
1:13:39
you guys. All right. Listeners. That's it for
1:13:42
this edition. We will indeed catch you next time.
1:13:59
Welcome to the fucking show. All right. Just
1:14:02
a quick blurb just so you can get back to what
1:14:04
you were doing. Why would a boxing fan, let's
1:14:10
assume they're like a purist or some shit, why
1:14:14
would they want to watch MMA? Why would they
1:14:17
want to listen to an MMA show? I'm going to come
1:14:20
at this from sort of like a primal level. So
1:14:23
I will admit there are some very unique and stark
1:14:28
differences between MMA and boxing. And it seems
1:14:32
like one of the main things that... uh keeps
1:14:34
boxing fans away from mma is the grappling aspect
1:14:38
and yes sometimes it can be you know a lay and
1:14:42
pray uh type of fight and it can get old but
1:14:46
man like it's just instinctual man some of these
1:14:50
people the way they find an mma is just brutal
1:14:54
and i feel like that's what it comes down to
1:14:55
when it comes to being a combat fan a combat
1:14:58
sports fan um i mean we saw it just recently
1:15:04
Mauricio Rufi versus Bobby Green spinning back
1:15:08
or spinning a wheel kick. Man, it's I mean, they
1:15:13
went viral and it's something that everyone can
1:15:16
appreciate, even boxing fans. I know if you have
1:15:19
a few friends that are boxing fans who I sent
1:15:23
him that clip. I mean, and they they were amazed
1:15:26
and that, you know, they won't even tell me that
1:15:28
they wish they would have seen it live because.
1:15:31
Seeing that type of stuff live just elicits,
1:15:34
like, a euphoric feeling that, you know, you
1:15:38
can't get. I mean, it happens in boxing, too,
1:15:40
whenever you see, like, an amazing fight. But
1:15:42
I just got to say, like, in MMA, you get those
1:15:47
type of fights as well, just in a different type.
1:15:50
It's different, but sort of the same. It's sort
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of weird how I describe it. But it's different,
1:15:56
but the same. It comes down to that same, like,
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carnal or primal instinct. of just like fights
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yeah i i always think like the biggest the easiest
1:16:07
transition that i always recommend i say this
1:16:10
all the time on ultimate fucking casuals is if
1:16:14
you're if you're not too keen on the grappling
1:16:17
muay thai and kickboxing are exactly where you
1:16:21
want to start like you start working on the kicks
1:16:24
the elbows the knees that's all that stuff And
1:16:28
you can come to learn to appreciate grappling.
1:16:31
I never thought I would. And here I am. Yeah.
1:16:36
Like I said, some of it is very boring. Some
1:16:38
of the grappling. It depends on the fighters.
1:16:40
But sometimes, man. There's boring boxing fights
1:16:42
all the time. Yeah. Yeah, no. Yeah, you're true.
1:16:46
I mean, you're right. But man, some of these
1:16:48
grapplers, man. These scrambles that they do.
1:16:51
It is like pretty crazy just to see it. Like,
1:16:55
you know, rolling around the floor. I mean, you
1:16:56
can see. The stuff that they're doing in between.
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And the scrambles. I mean it's sort of crazy.
1:17:00
Flipping someone over. The trips. I mean it's.
1:17:03
It can be fun. But yeah you're right. The easiest
1:17:05
transition is definitely. Start out with Muay
1:17:07
Thai. Kickboxing. And you know slowly. Work your
1:17:10
way into MMA. And you know. This is the thing
1:17:13
about. The ultimate fucking casuals. We will
1:17:17
let you know which fights are going to be good.
1:17:20
Which ones you know. If you're not too in tune
1:17:22
with the grappling. We can get maybe. a little
1:17:26
tag or a little asterisk on certain fights saying,
1:17:30
like, this is a boxing purist type of fight.
1:17:32
Yeah. You can watch this and enjoy this. Like,
1:17:36
we'll let you know. Yeah, we always try. Like,
1:17:39
I came into this. The whole show was started
1:17:42
with me. I didn't know shit about MMA. I'd never
1:17:45
really seen an MMA fight in its entirety in my
1:17:48
entire life. And I came into this with nothing.
1:17:51
And yeah, that's where we're at now is like we're
1:17:54
talking like I make sure I go out of my way to
1:17:57
bring up Muay Thai and bring up kickboxing so
1:18:00
that people know like this for boxing fans to
1:18:04
know this is what this is where you can start.
1:18:08
All right. Well, yeah, that was about it. I really
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appreciate your time. Thanks, Isaac, for jumping
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on real quick. Thanks for having me on. All right.