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Day 3 & Still No Speaker · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: It's a mega drama that's taking place for the MAGA
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  Speaker 1: movement and watch in DC. That's how one newspaper put
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  Speaker 1: it this morning. Another one Trump can't say McCarthy even
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  Speaker 1: after he came out saying it's time to end this.
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  Speaker 1: How long will it last? Well, we're on ballot number seven.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to know how long it's gonna last.
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  Speaker 1: There's one individual that you should listen to, mad Gates.
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  Speaker 1: Mad Gates. He's an individual that says he doesn't trust
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  Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy. Mad Gates has made it clear he's kind
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  Speaker 1: of been the ringleader of the rebellion here and he says,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we just don't trust him. We don't want him.
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  Speaker 1: He's lied to us too much. Now. He did his
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  Speaker 1: longest interview last night since we've gone to the day
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  Speaker 1: three of this, and I want you to hear what
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  Speaker 1: he had to say about all of these issues on
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  Speaker 1: Fox and thank you so much for coming off. Kevin
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  Speaker 1: McCarthy tonight did not want to hold a vote in
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  Speaker 1: the House because he believes he might be getting closer.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that's a fair assessment. Well, there's a
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  Speaker 1: reason Kevin McCarthy doesn't want to continue having votes, and
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  Speaker 1: it's because with each vote he seems to be decreasing
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  Speaker 1: in his vote share, and we've only increased with votes
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  Speaker 1: in our vote share in opposition to Kevin McCarthy. We
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  Speaker 1: suspect that that trend is likely to continue. And I
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  Speaker 1: think this ends one of two ways. Trace Either Kevin
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  Speaker 1: bows out realizing there's no path for him to become
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  Speaker 1: Speaker of the House even if he picks up one
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  Speaker 1: or two, or three or five of the twenty who
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  Speaker 1: have opposed him half dozen times on the floor, or
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  Speaker 1: he essentially has to wake up, bring the house into
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  Speaker 1: session and put on a strait jacket with a rules
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  Speaker 1: package that we've presented to him that doesn't allow a
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  Speaker 1: lot of discretion for the Speaker of the House. The
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  Speaker 1: reason we've demanded that is that we do not trust
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  Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy. And it's not a small body of work.
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  Speaker 1: The guy's been in leadership in Washington, DC for fourteen years,
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  Speaker 1: and this town to change, and we're going to change
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  Speaker 1: it one way or the other, either by changing out
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  Speaker 1: the speaker or by having the most fundamental rewrite of
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  Speaker 1: the rules in really my lifetime. Now, if you hear
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  Speaker 1: what Gates is saying, there are a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: are gonna say, Okay, he's been in leadership fourteen years.
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  Speaker 1: Have we done him last fourteen years? Many would argue,
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  Speaker 1: we've Republicans have not done a good job of delivering
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  Speaker 1: on what they promised they were going to deliver as Republicans.
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  Speaker 1: Is Kevin McCarthy the guy that you want? Is Kevin
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  Speaker 1: McCarthy the guy that you need to change things? His
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  Speaker 1: argument again, No, it's not gonna be him now. He
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  Speaker 1: can only lose three or four of these people out
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  Speaker 1: of the twenty are out of every Republican to get
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  Speaker 1: this job. And I think what you're hearing here from
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  Speaker 1: Matt Gates is you may be able to callback one
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  Speaker 1: or two or three out of the twenty, you are
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  Speaker 1: not going to be able to call back every one.
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  Speaker 1: Your day is over and it's done now. Then the
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  Speaker 1: question becomes, what are his other options? Can Kevin McCarthy
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  Speaker 1: get together with some Democrats who walk out of the
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  Speaker 1: chamber to lower the threshold needed to become the speaker?
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  Speaker 1: That is another possibility that's been floated. He would have
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  Speaker 1: to give concessions to Democrats for them to do that.
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  Speaker 1: So far, the Democrats seem to be loving this chaos,
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  Speaker 1: and the Democrats have decided. I think it's pretty clear
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  Speaker 1: now that is not in their best interest. They want
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  Speaker 1: to keep this going for as long as they can.
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  Speaker 1: There's another option, and that is Kevin McCarthy decides to
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  Speaker 1: step aside or do a more of a in the
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  Speaker 1: middle moderate type speaker. And that moderate type speaker is
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  Speaker 1: I think who they really want. Is that a good decision?
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  Speaker 1: I would argue, no, that would also not be a
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  Speaker 1: good decision. That would be something that I think would
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  Speaker 1: make many conservatives extremely angry. Would Kevin McCarthy do that
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  Speaker 1: just to spite many on the left? I would argue,
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  Speaker 1: there's a very good or on the right, I should
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  Speaker 1: say there's a decent chance Kevin McCarthy could get so
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  Speaker 1: angry that he is not going to become the speaker
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  Speaker 1: in that scenario that he would say, fine, you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: screw me this way. You're gonna screw all this up,
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  Speaker 1: referring to these twenty or even to five. At that point,
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  Speaker 1: people individuals that won't get on board, then I'll show
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  Speaker 1: you what it looks like and the American people can
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  Speaker 1: judge you. Now. Bobert has also got into this with
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  Speaker 1: Matt Gates. They become very famous. Their name recognition, name
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  Speaker 1: ID is going up. Is this hurting them? They do
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  Speaker 1: not believe that it's hurting them. Yet they believe that
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  Speaker 1: this is helping their value. Their stock price has gone up.
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  Speaker 1: More people know about some of these new members of
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  Speaker 1: Congress than ever before of any other member of Congress.
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  Speaker 1: That's part of the appeal of being in the one
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  Speaker 1: of twenty. Now, I'm not saying that all of them
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  Speaker 1: are doing it for that reason, but obviously some of
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  Speaker 1: them are. Now, I'll go back through this Gates conversation,
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  Speaker 1: and I want you to hear him lay out more
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  Speaker 1: of Lyne saying I'm not budging. There seems to be
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  Speaker 1: a lot of confusion though about exactly what this group
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  Speaker 1: of twenty wants. You say, rules changes. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: people have said a lot of different things. Is there
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  Speaker 1: something specific, Congressman that you want that would gain your
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  Speaker 1: vote to Kevin McCarthy if that thing was fulfilled. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not voting for Kevin McCarthy. But there are some
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  Speaker 1: of the twenty who I suspect might if we got
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  Speaker 1: control of the Rules Committee and the Appropriations Committee in
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  Speaker 1: the hands of folks that don't vote for bad rules
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  Speaker 1: and bad appropriations bills. Remember, before this last Sommibus, Kevin
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  Speaker 1: McCarthy was paving the way for some of the worst legislation,
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  Speaker 1: driving our country deeper into debt and borrowing against the
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  Speaker 1: futures of the next generation. And so if we got
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  Speaker 1: control of those key committees in the hands of conservatives,
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  Speaker 1: I think there are some of the twenty who might
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  Speaker 1: vote for Kevin McCarthy. If things stand as they are,
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  Speaker 1: I would suspect that the opposition will only grow. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you've got people like former Congressman Trade Gaudy who said
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  Speaker 1: they call this opposition a clown show. On national television.
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  Speaker 1: The former Speaker of the House, Nuke Gingridge, has said
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  Speaker 1: that you are holding the house hostage. What is your
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  Speaker 1: response to that type of criticism? And before you hear
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  Speaker 1: Matt Gates's response there, one of the reasons why I
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  Speaker 1: want to play that for you is this. There have
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  Speaker 1: been some people that have been really stupid in all
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  Speaker 1: this all right, and they're Republicans. I'll give you a
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  Speaker 1: perfect example. Dan Crenshaw has called them terrorists, referring to
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  Speaker 1: these twenty. You really think that they're going to come
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  Speaker 1: and work with you and agree on all of this. No, okay, no,
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  Speaker 1: I want to make that clear. That's never going to
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  Speaker 1: help or work or it's never going to happen. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: it's not. And if the Republicans in the majority right
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  Speaker 1: outside of these twenty were really smart, if they were intelligent,
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  Speaker 1: they wouldn't have been named calling and saying the things
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  Speaker 1: that they're saying. New Gingrich, who I do like, I
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  Speaker 1: know him well. I think the way that he has
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  Speaker 1: berated them on TV is only going to make these
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  Speaker 1: guys dig in right, It's only going to make things worse.
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  Speaker 1: It's not going to make things better. I want to
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  Speaker 1: be very very very clear about that. When you start
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  Speaker 1: attacking these people this way, it's the dumbest thing you
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  Speaker 1: could possibly do. They're not gonna budge. I don't believe that.
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  Speaker 1: I want to be very very clear here. I don't
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  Speaker 1: believe that Kevin McCarthy is going to be able to
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  Speaker 1: be speaker because of the name calling his allies. When
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  Speaker 1: you go out there and you call your people and
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  Speaker 1: your same party terrorists, and your top people are mocking
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  Speaker 1: them this way, and you have people going out there
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  Speaker 1: on TV saying what's being said about them. It's not
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  Speaker 1: going to make them go, oh, moment of clarity, you're
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  Speaker 1: right now. This goes back to leadership. I do believe
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  Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy has bungled this thing since the very beginning.
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  Speaker 1: Moving his things in the speaker office was a dumb
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  Speaker 1: move before he was a speaker, all right, going and
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  Speaker 1: having a vote on the speakership knowing he didn't have
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  Speaker 1: the votes was bungling it. That was stupid. Then having
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  Speaker 1: your allies go out there and mock these twenty individuals
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  Speaker 1: and try to burn down their houses when you need
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  Speaker 1: their votes was stupid. If Kevin McCarthy ultimately does not
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  Speaker 1: become the speaker, there is no one to blame but
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  Speaker 1: himself the way that he actually did this. There's another
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  Speaker 1: question that people keep asking, and that is who would
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  Speaker 1: the other candidates even be. There's a lot of different
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  Speaker 1: scenarios that have been talked about. Steve Scalise is the
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  Speaker 1: House Number two. I think he's obviously the front runner here.
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  Speaker 1: If Kevin McCarthy does in fact decide to drop out
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  Speaker 1: and realizes there doesn't seem to be a pathway for
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  Speaker 1: him to be the speaker, now, would Steve Scalise be
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  Speaker 1: a guy that a lot could get behind. I think,
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  Speaker 1: so what makes a good speaker? Number one, You got
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  Speaker 1: to be an effective fundraiser, You got to be an
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  Speaker 1: effective communicator. You have to be able to whip the
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  Speaker 1: votes up when you need them. Those are all things
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  Speaker 1: that Steve Scalise can do. He also is a guy
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  Speaker 1: that literally is bled for the party. If you remember,
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  Speaker 1: he was shot and almost killed in that attack on
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  Speaker 1: the Republican members of Congress that we're at the baseball
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  Speaker 1: practice for that congressional baseball game. He is known for
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  Speaker 1: surviving that mass shooting back in twenty seventeen. This is
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  Speaker 1: an individual that has served his party and bled for
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  Speaker 1: his party literally, Okay literally, I think he is probably
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  Speaker 1: the front runner. And if you listen to what Matt
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  Speaker 1: Gates says about what is going to happen moving forward,
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  Speaker 1: he says, I'm not voting for Kevin McCarthy. He's just
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  Speaker 1: dug in here because of all of the attacks on him.
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  Speaker 1: This may be the next best option for Republicans. Listen, well,
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  Speaker 1: Trey Gaudy would know something about clown shows. That's probably
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  Speaker 1: how a lot of us would categorize to Benghazi hearings
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  Speaker 1: that resulted in people screaming at each other in a
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  Speaker 1: big report, but no real accountability. I remember the Trey
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  Speaker 1: Gaudy who went on your network as a congressman and
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  Speaker 1: said that he had reviewed what had gone on with
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  Speaker 1: the FBI and the Department of Justice and that they
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  Speaker 1: had done nothing wrong and that actually the American would
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  Speaker 1: be happy of what they were looking at with President Trump.
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  Speaker 1: We now, of course, know that to be false, and
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  Speaker 1: even Trey Gaudy has expressed regret about that. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't exactly take a lot of armchair quarterbacking from someone
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  Speaker 1: who during his time in Congress wasn't among the fighters.
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  Speaker 1: Representative elect Mike Lawler said the following. Listen and I'll
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  Speaker 1: get your response. The people who are voting against Kevin
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  Speaker 1: McCarthy in the Republican Conference are aiding Joe Biden, aiding
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  Speaker 1: Hakim Jeffries, and aiding Chuck Schumer. How can you come
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  Speaker 1: together and do what you promised the American people you
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  Speaker 1: would do as Republicans after this kind of chaotic House
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  Speaker 1: speakership vote well. I think the world of Mike Lawler.
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  Speaker 1: He's a terrific representative and he's going to do a
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  Speaker 1: great job for the people of New York. But I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't exactly call this like insurmountable chaos. Keep in mind, Trace,
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  Speaker 1: I mean there are days in the United States Congress
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  Speaker 1: where the only vote that happens is to rename one
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  Speaker 1: post office. So if we could do that for a day,
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  Speaker 1: if there are days where all we vote on or
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  Speaker 1: how we are going to take the next vote, then
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  Speaker 1: maybe taking two or three days or several weeks to
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  Speaker 1: select the person who is second in line to the
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  Speaker 1: presidency is worth our debate and deliberation. And after that,
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  Speaker 1: absolutely we will come together. I have every confidence that
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  Speaker 1: we'll be able to come together and we'll actually be
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  Speaker 1: an effective fighting force if we're able to get rid
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  Speaker 1: of Kevin McCarthy and get somebody like a Jim Jordan,
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  Speaker 1: a Byron Donalds in that speaker's chair. And you notice
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  Speaker 1: there he mentioned two names, A Jim Jordan, a Byron Donalds.
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  Speaker 1: Do they have the votes? No. That's why I go
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  Speaker 1: back to what I just said about Steve's Kalise. And
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  Speaker 1: the worry here is they're going to keep doing this
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  Speaker 1: even if you give them another candid like as Steve's Kalise.
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  Speaker 1: There's others that have thrown up another name that is
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  Speaker 1: a guy by the name of Tom Cole. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to give you who these names are because you need
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  Speaker 1: to understand where this could go. He's a guy that
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  Speaker 1: understands Republican politics. He's older seventy three. He worked the
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  Speaker 1: Republican National Committee before joining the House in two thousand three.
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  Speaker 1: He's been a member of the powerful Rules and Appropriations committees.
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  Speaker 1: Tom Cole also served as Deputy Minority Whip and chaired
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  Speaker 1: the National Republican Congressional Committee, which is about getting people elected.
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  Speaker 1: His name has been thrown out there because he's more
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  Speaker 1: at the end of his career. He's never seeked really
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  Speaker 1: the limelight, and he understands how to help get other
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  Speaker 1: people elected now. He's a member of the Chickasaw Nation.
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  Speaker 1: He would be the first Native American speaker if his
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  Speaker 1: name was put out there. Another one is Patrick McHenry.
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  Speaker 1: Patrick McHenry failed to secure enough votes in the fifth
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  Speaker 1: speaker ballot. He's been a member of the House since
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and five. North Carolinis McHenry has his sightset
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  Speaker 1: on becoming chair of the House Financial Services Committee's term.
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  Speaker 1: He's a forty seven year old. He's been trained to
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  Speaker 1: really work on banking issues. He had regulars that were
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  Speaker 1: created under the Dodd Frank Bill passed after the O
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  Speaker 1: eight financial crisis. Specifically, he had come up with a
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  Speaker 1: consumer Financial Protection Bureau. He served as a Chief Deputy
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  Speaker 1: Whip in the past, helping keep House Republicans in line
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  Speaker 1: on key party goals that would serve him well as speaker.
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  Speaker 1: Also there's Elistefoni, the youngest Republican woman ever elected to Congress.
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  Speaker 1: Her name has been brought up over the last twenty
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  Speaker 1: four hours. She's thirty eight. She's quickly risen through the
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  Speaker 1: ranks by moving with the political tides. She was elected
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  Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen by the voters of a northern New
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  Speaker 1: York district as a moderate conservative who had worked at
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  Speaker 1: President George W. Bush and Paul Ryan. Then she became
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  Speaker 1: an outspoken supporter of Donald Trump, especially during his first impeachment.
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  Speaker 1: Sephonics loyalty helped her win the number three spot in
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  Speaker 1: House Republican Conference in twenty twenty one, replacing Liz Cheney.
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  Speaker 1: Her name has been on the list. A man who's
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  Speaker 1: set out loud multiple times he doesn't want the job
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  Speaker 1: keeps coming up. Jim Jordan a former college wrestling coach.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't know who Jim Jordan is a guy
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't like to wear a jacket very often. If
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  Speaker 1: you see him on Fox News, you know who I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about. He's from Ohio, that's an important state. Jordan
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  Speaker 1: takes a, you know, a very blunt approach to politics.
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  Speaker 1: He uses the rules, he uses committee hearings to grill
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  Speaker 1: democratic officials. He's a guy that's asked a lot of
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  Speaker 1: questions of social media companies and they're bias against conservatives.
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  Speaker 1: And he's an individual that believes that we need to
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  Speaker 1: investigate Joe Biden and Hunter Biden. He's also a founding
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  Speaker 1: member of the conservative House Freedom Caucus. Jordan is a
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  Speaker 1: guy that's experienced but still vigorous at fifty eight. He's
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  Speaker 1: also a staunch defender of Donald Trump, who awarded him
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  Speaker 1: the Presidential Medal of Freedom Awards shortly before leaving office.
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  Speaker 1: As the incoming chair of the House Judiciary Committee, that's
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  Speaker 1: what he really wants. He doesn't want to be speaker.
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  Speaker 1: He had pledged to lead investigations into business dealings of
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  Speaker 1: President Joe Biden and his son Hunter. That's what he
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  Speaker 1: says he wants to focus on. There are the other
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  Speaker 1: names that are being been put out there. Do any
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  Speaker 1: of these have a realistic chance of getting elected? We
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  Speaker 1: honestly don't know, because if five people hold out here,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. And that's what
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  Speaker 1: Matt Gates seems to be making clear here. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: hold you hostage and burn this place down. I still
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  Speaker 1: go back to where the big mistakes were made by
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  Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy and his team, having his allies, having people
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  Speaker 1: go out there on TV, having people say things like
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  Speaker 1: Dan Crenshaw said on the twenty Republicans who oppose McCarthy,
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  Speaker 1: we cannot let the terrorists win. That was a stupid move.
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  Speaker 1: Trey Goudy last night said on TV again mocking these individuals,
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  Speaker 1: saying this is a clown show. You're never going to
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  Speaker 1: get some of these people, Sean, I mean, they live
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  Speaker 1: to be an opposition to Republicans. But people watching your
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  Speaker 1: show need to call and say, you know what, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't work my tail off in November to watch y'all
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  Speaker 1: look like a clown show on national television. So y'all
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  Speaker 1: get behind Kevin. You got your motion to vacate. As
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  Speaker 1: a relates to President Trump. They love him when they
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  Speaker 1: need a pardon, they love him when they need attention.
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  Speaker 1: But when he says Kevin's my person, all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: they know better. They know better than the Republican Conference.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin got eighty five percent of the vote in the primary,
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  Speaker 1: and yet they know better. His whole point is, you'll
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  Speaker 1: never be able to work with these people when all
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  Speaker 1: they're trying to do is make themselves that famous. Now,
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  Speaker 1: maybe you agree with that statement, all right, Maybe does
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  Speaker 1: it help saying it out loud and making them dig
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  Speaker 1: in even more. Bobert barely won her reelection, for example.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking like, at one point they said she had
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  Speaker 1: lost the election, and then it came down to one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and handful of votes. You really think that she
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  Speaker 1: cares right now about anything else but winning this battle.
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  Speaker 1: She feels like the Republican Party is broken, and there
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  Speaker 1: is a reason they say that. New Gingrich said, it's
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  Speaker 1: hard to explain to Gee or Putin what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: Freedom is messy and sloppy. I'm okay with this battle.
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  Speaker 1: I've said that from the very beginning. I don't like
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  Speaker 1: fixed elections, rigged elections. I don't like this you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna pick the guy that has, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: not ask questions. I'm okay with a grand debate. What
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  Speaker 1: I'm not okay with is people that are using to
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  Speaker 1: negotiate just so they get more Twitter followers, just so
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  Speaker 1: they get more TV time. That's why I've been an
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  Speaker 1: advocating for Chip Roy from the very beginning. What he's
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  Speaker 1: been saying about the rules and what he's been saying
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  Speaker 1: about the changes he wants. I understand him. But there's
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  Speaker 1: some in this twenty that they're just doing this because
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  Speaker 1: they don't like the fact that they that Kevin McCarthy
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: and the Republican leadership doesn't agree with him on every
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: single thing. That is the problem, because it's not that
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: they're standing up for America, okay, It's what they're doing
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: is they're sitting up for themselves. Now. I also don't
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: agree with new gingrich On. I'm saying, it's hard to
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: explain what's having to putin gee, I don't really care,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: and he's saying, you know, these guys need to get
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: in line. Well, that's how you got your speakership. With
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: all due respect, I did a tweet today saying it's
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: really hard to explain to Putin or Jiping or Kim
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Jong Len exactly what what's going on, because this is freedom,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: and freedom is messy and sloppy and also remarkable, remarkably creative.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: We'll get there and we'll have a speaker probably, I think,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: probably sometime tomorrow. And I just checked a few minutes ago.
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  Speaker 1: The last time this happened in nineteen twenty three, it
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: took nine ballots, and the following election the Republicans picked
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  Speaker 1: up twenty two more seats. So people shouldn't assume this
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: is the end of the Republican Party in any way.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: This is a healthy, tough, serious conversation, and I think
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: probably by sometime tomorrow, virtually all not all, but virtually
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: all of the conference will have found a way to
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: come back together. Now the ending of what Gingard said,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: there yea thank goodness for saying it that way. I
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: couldn't agree with you more. I don't think that this
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: is a disaster or debacle. I warned you in the
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: first show that we did about this right after the
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: first couple of votes. I said it, and I'll say
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: it again, in the way that they describe it, I
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: couldn't agree more. Okay, This is not a debacle, This
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: is not an embarrassment. I love healthy debates. I think
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: everything in Washington is definitely broken. The way that we've
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: talked about it, I believe it's absolutely broken. I think
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: there are major issues here that need to be changed.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: And I think there are major issues here that need
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: to be changed. I am glad, I am thankful that
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: we are having this debate. Is it worth two or
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: three days? Yeah, I really do believe it is. In fact,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I would argue this is probably some of the most
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: productive days that we've had in Congress of a real
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: fundamental change. I do also worry about the future that
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: people are going to realize every time there's a vote,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: if it's tight like this, that then they say, all right,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I can get on national TV. Motive right here is everything.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Some of the people have genuine and authentic motives for this.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: There's others that do not. But having this debate is
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: not the end of the world. And to say, well
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: that if Kevin McCarthy gets he's gonna be the weakest
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: speaker in history, I don't buy that either. I think
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: we'll move on from this. I think we'll move on
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: from it. You know, Bobert, for example, she's loving this
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: moment almost out of Congress. Saw a bunch of people
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: kind of show their hand about how much they don't
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: like her. And then she goes on TV now and
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: she's got her mojo back. She believes she's famous again.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: She's going against the guy that made her famous in
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the first place, in the MAGA movement, Donald Trump. Here's
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: what she had to say on Hannity last night. You
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: said complimentary things about President Trump. Needs to tell Kevin
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: McCarthy that, sir, you do not have the votes. It's
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: time to a draw. Let me turn the tables, cargress woman.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy is two hundred and two three votes. Your
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: site has twenty. So if I'm going to use your
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: words and you're a teodology in your math, isn't it
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: time for you to pack it in in your side
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: to pack it in considering he has over two hundred
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: and you have twenty. Sean, I understand the frustration, I
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: promise you, but not frustrated. You didn't answer my question,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: and we are hearing. We are hearing from frustrating who
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: are still voting with Kevin McCarthy. Quotative of what we're doing,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: and they're cheering us on. So there are more for
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: us than are against us, and they are waiting for
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Kevin t Kets certainly frustrated by I'm frustrated by you
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  Speaker 1: not answering a direct question you said to President Trump.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: You said earlier today that President Trump needs to tell
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy, you don't have the votes. Come up? Can
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I finish handidate to elected? Can I finish the House?
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: You don't have the votes and it's time to withdraw.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: He has two hundred and three, your side has twenty.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Why is it time for him to withdraw and not
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: you when he has so many more votes? Well, Sean,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: he needs two eight and he does not have to eighteen.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: We've been trying to do in private, as you said,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: for months, but Kevin McCarthy didn't even want to listen
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: to us until his disappointing minterms. We all want a
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: you hear her. She says, we have more people that
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: are with us and against us. I don't think that's true.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Handy's point here of saying, I want to I want
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: to direct answer to a direct question you said to
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: President Trump. You and you said earlier today that the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: President needs to tell Kevin McCarthy you don't have the votes,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: and he's like, well, using that logic, neither to you.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: You've got twenty votes and that number could change depending
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: on who the next candidates that you guys pick the
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: twenty people. And this is how I'm going to look
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: at this as we go into this next round of voting.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Today need to do a better job of explaining what
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: it is they want, and if it is what Bobert
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: is saying here, then I do believe it's time to
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: move on because her reason is I don't like Kevin McCarthy.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I'll give htt Gates credit. He's at least said I
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: don't trust him. I think he's a liar. I don't
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: believe him. I don't trust him. He's not going to
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: get my vote. I appreciate that candor and transparency. This
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: is not, by the way, a bad thing for the
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Republican Party, and everybody on TV and everybody in the
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: raids like, oh this is a disaster, debacle that it's not. Okay,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: this is not a debacle. This is not a disaster.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: I also will say one of the thing about Kevin McCarthy,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: and I'll leave you with this as we go into
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: these votes today. If Kevin McCarthy can't even get the
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Republican Party together to surround him on speaker, why do
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: we think he would make a great speaker where he
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: could get Republicans around him on actual issues that need
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: to be voted on when he needs to wrangle the votes.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I don't believe he's the right guy for the job
• 26:02
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