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Welcome Crawlers to The Apocalypse Will Be Podcasted · The Apocalypse Will Be Podcasted

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  I'm Bree. I'm Nick. And this is The Apocalypse
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  Will Be Podcasted. We are a married couple from
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  Atlanta with boring day jobs. We've been together
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  12 years and we usually create a lot of weird
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  performance art so that we can entertain people.
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  But we are trying our hand at podcasting because
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  we have had an obsession in the last six months.
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  And that obsession is dungeon crawler Carl. Yep.
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  This is a spoiler podcast where we will be talking
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  about plot points from all seven Dungeon Crawler
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  Carl books. That's right. This podcast is going
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  to be completely full of spoilers. If you are
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  looking for a podcast about Dungeon Crawler Carl
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  without spoilers, this is not the place to be.
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  The only information that we're not going to
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  be touching on is information about book eight
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  that's available on the Patreon. We wanted to
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  start with book seven and go from there because
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  we want to be ready to jump into book eight when
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  that comes out sometime next year and then be
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  able to go into talking about the TV show. Definitely.
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  And just the way that the books are, it didn't
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  make sense to me at least to start with book
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  one and just describe what happened. I don't
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  think that there's a lot of meaningful content
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  there. There are so many things that are foreshadowing
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  what's coming later that it just. Right. Feels
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  to me like it makes sense to talk about the whole
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  series. Yeah, that's not going to be nearly as
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  much fun to not be able to say, oh, wait, this
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  leads to this and this leads to this. Not nearly
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  as fun. So I got into Dungeon Crawler Carl first.
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  It was recommended to me by a good friend. I
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  was talking to him and saying that I was really
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  looking for a new book. I had read Robert Evans'
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  book, After the Revolution, and I just loved
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  the chaos of it. apocalyptic vibe, how over the
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  top, violent, crazy, ridiculous it was. My friend
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  was like, you got to check out this series. It's
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  great. But he described it as popcorn literature.
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  I don't think anything where the apocalypse happens
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  on page one is popcorn literature. We actually
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  had the same friend over the other night and
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  we were telling him a little bit about our podcast
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  research for the next couple of episodes. And
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  he was like, oh, yeah. That got so complicated,
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  I think I put it down and I was planning on coming
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  back to it later. So I'm not sure he still agrees
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  with that label either. Yeah, he definitely reneged
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  on that a little bit. Apocalypse doesn't quite
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  happen on page one, but very, very early on in
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  the book. I started listening to it and I was
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  hooked immediately. I was listening to it in
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  the car and they'd just gotten into the dungeon.
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  It was at the point where they got into the tutorial
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  guild. And Brie was in the car with me and Carl
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  gives the special pet biscuit to Donut. And she
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  turns into like the glob of stuff. And Brie was
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  like, what's happening to the cat? Is the cat
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  okay? If something happens to the cat, I am out.
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  Definitely. And I will say that it takes a very
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  bold writer to kill a cat in chapter three. So
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  I think I should have realized that Donut was
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  going to be okay. But someone else that we know
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  said that he also read Kaiju Battlefield Earth.
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  And that you should not say things like that
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  because Matt Deniman might kill the cat in chapter
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  three. Fortunately, he didn't. So I was listening
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  and I think I was on two by the time that Brie
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  decided she was also going to pick up the series.
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  And she is a Olympic speed reader. She's like
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  a freak of nature when it comes to reading. And
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  by the time I was halfway through book three,
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  she had already finished reading the entire series.
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  It was really fun because I would have to be
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  like, so has that thing happened yet? And Nikki
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  would be like, what thing? And I was like, you'll
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  know. You'll know when the thing happens. Yeah,
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  especially when she brought up the Viva La Revolucion.
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  And I just had no idea. And then even when I
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  got to that point, I still had no idea. And that
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  was something we both had to go online after
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  the fact and look up exactly what transpired
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  there. And that's... Something we'll definitely
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  cover at some point in this series. There's a
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  really unique difference between listening to
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  the audiobooks and reading them because the audiobooks
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  being narrated by Jeff Hayes, he's just such
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  a talented voice actor. I didn't believe that
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  he was the voice actor for all the characters.
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  I just assumed like and Carl were two different
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  voice actors. And when I finally found out that
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  it was all just Jeff, I was like mind blown.
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  If you haven't seen the video of him going through
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  the different voices on YouTube, I highly recommend
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  it. Yeah, that's a lot of fun. Seeing him switch
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  back and forth so quickly, it's crazy. There
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  are still different things that kind of pop out
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  to you as a book reader as opposed to an audio
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  listener. And some of the lines I thought were
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  the funniest in the series weren't really emphasized
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  in the audiobooks in a way that I felt like people
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  were able to recognize. At least I wasn't. Yeah,
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  one of my favorite lines in the series is when
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  Zev is looking at the art show contest and she's
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  looking at the picture like, Carl, I've looked
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  at this a lot and I just don't get it. Yeah,
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  I'm like that. I just kind of went right over
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  my head. I just kept going. Maybe the slightest
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  chuckle. Another great example of the listening
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  versus reading experience is in Gate of the Feral
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  Gods when they're underwater and they've escaped
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  the submarine. And Carl is coming up through
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  the water and he's got Donut passed out in his
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  arms. And then when she wakes up, the chapter
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  ends with and Donut proceeds to lose her absolute
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  fucking shit. And that was just so hilarious
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  to me. But Brie told me about that scene later
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  on that when that happened, there was just several
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  pages of like spelled out. Maybe not four or
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  five pages, but it goes on for a while. It's
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  definitely one of my favorite parts of the book.
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  Another one of my favorite reading versus listening
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  experiences is you asked me, so when Preparatente
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  screams, what does that look like in the book?
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  And I was like, it just says he screamed in my
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  face. And I absolutely love that as well. And
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  in the audio book, I love hearing the actual
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  scream every single time it happens. It gets
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  me. So we want to talk a little bit more about
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  why we love these books, what got us into the
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  books and what kept it going for us. And for
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  me. You know, it drew me in from the very beginning.
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  Apocalypse, billions of people die. You know,
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  the way that the apocalypse happens, everything
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  with a roof or structure is just flattened immediately.
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  Such a cool way of doing it. And then it starts
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  out and it's just kind of ridiculous and weird
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  and crazy. You know, he gets in there. He's getting
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  chased by a bunch of goblins. He's punching goblins
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  in the face that have pineapples on sticks. You
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  don't really know what's going on. It's just
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  kind of silly because you have no frame of reference
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  for really what's happening. And then. you know,
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  right after he finishes with the tutorial and
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  it's the first time they're doing the announcement
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  and they talk about how within the first hour,
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  you know, from the 11 million that entered, several
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  million people die. And that's when you start
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  kind of seeing the impact of this and how dangerous
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  it is. The video game aspect of it all also really
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  drew me and I loved having an inventory, having
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  a HUD. I loved the... AI giving descriptions
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  of things it was silly and ridiculous descriptions
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  and Carl's like what the hell is even going on
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  here but it starts to draw you in really quickly
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  when especially when they get to the first boss
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  fight and it's the hoarder I actually speak Spanish
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  fluently I think that scene is kind of meant
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  to be unnerving anyways but listening to that
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  and actually understanding what she was saying
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  I was like wow this is kind of fucked up but
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  later in the series in It's right after the Butcher's
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  Masquerade ends. And Carl and Dona are talking.
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  She's talking about how she's wearing this mask.
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  And Carl explains that she's wearing it and she's
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  not going to be able to take it off anytime soon.
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  And she says, I don't like it, Carl. And that
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  was such a powerful moment in the series and
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  just really made me cry. And I think from there,
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  things just keep getting more and more intense.
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  the dynamics between these characters the close
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  bonds that they have it just really keeps ramping
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  up funny enough i was reading book seven today
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  and rosita actually says that the reason that
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  she decided to go into the dungeon and align
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  herself with carl was that mask speech and that
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  it meant a lot to her although she said spoilers
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  even though this is a spoiler podcast That Rosetta
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  really felt for them and had a lot of empathy
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  for them because they didn't know yet that the
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  mask never would come off. Yeah, absolutely.
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  And I actually forgot about that part with Rosetta
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  and her relaying that to Carl and Donut. Yeah,
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  definitely. And I will say that when I first
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  started reading the books, I was mostly reading
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  for Donut because I am a crazy cat lady. I'm
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  very obsessed with cats and I can admit that.
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  I think when I really felt the buy -in and was
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  really invested in the series is actually the
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  first time they went on Odette's show. And it
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  became clear that this was more than just going
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  through and punching gerbils because that's not
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  really my thing. But just the behind the scenes
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  of how they're manipulating people, what it says
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  about our society and social media and how you
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  have to like create personas and stuff like that.
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  That is when I became extremely interested. And
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  then as the books progressed, I love the interplanetary
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  politics. I love the stuff about the different
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  alien races. Hard agree. And that really made
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  the books so much better for me because I'm a
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  completionist for sure. But a lot of people will
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  go on Reddit and they'll be like, well, you know,
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  I've read one book and I'm not that into it.
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  And I'm like. This is a series that absolutely
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  gets better as it goes along, which is why we're
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  starting with book seven for sure. And that's
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  definitely a difference between Brie and I. I
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  get hooked by the violence and the video game
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  aspects and how silly and ridiculous it is. And
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  then she gets hooked by the interplanetary politics.
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  That, of course, gets me later on, but that wasn't
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  the initial hook for me. And I think that's why
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  we're good people to have a podcast is because
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  I think we are very different and have very different
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  perspectives, both in what we like and also just
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  in the fact that. You listen to the audiobooks
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  and I read the book. So I think we definitely
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  have different perspectives that can play off
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  each other and not a lot. The other reason that
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  I am really obsessed with the book is actually
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  because we have our own princess show cat. So
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  our cat, Nefi, is a purebred snowshoe Siamese.
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  And we did get her from a shelter. And when we
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  got her, I just could not comprehend how such
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  a well -behaved... beautiful cat could have ever
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  been in a shelter and i did think about the people
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  who left them there and well left her on the
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  street uh she didn't get left on the street it's
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  more dramatic that way yeah definitely um and
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  don't let the truth get in the way of a good
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  story so i have considered both the thought process
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  of what would have to go through someone's brain
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  before they dropped a perfect beautiful, wonderful
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  cat off at the shelter. And I've also thought
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  about, you know, does my cat have trauma from
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  this? How does she feel about it? Was this awful
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  for her? And so seeing both sides of that play
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  out in the book was really meaningful to me in
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  a way that I don't think that everyone can quite
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  understand. You went to Dragon Con last month
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  in September. It's the third largest sci -fi
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  and fantasy convention in the U .S. here in Atlanta.
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  And we were super stoked going into it because
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  we are really obsessed with Dungeon Crawler Carl.
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  And we decided to dress up as Princess Donut
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  and Carl. And we kind of decided we were going
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  to center our whole con experience around that.
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  Yeah, it was definitely the it thing this year.
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  That and Claire Obscure, which is a video game,
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  were the two hot things at Dragon Con this year.
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  More people were dressed up as those characters
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  than anything else. We went to a Dungeon Crawler
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  Carl photo shoot. that had maybe about 500 people
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  somebody went through and counted and there was
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  a photo that was just Carl it was about 180 people
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  and I think there was about 120 donuts right
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  and there were some other really good cosplays
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  as well someone dressed up as Orin which like
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  amazing costume there was a sexy Mongo that was
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  phenomenal yeah we live in Atlanta where it's
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  really hot so we have to have sexy everything
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  right we really do So there was going to be a
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  few panels throughout the weekend that we were
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  going to attend. And the first one, it was apparent
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  right away how popular it was. I got in line
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  an hour and a half early. Yeah. And another one
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  of them, the line, there was probably like 700
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  people in line and there was a person who was
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  managing the line. And she was basically crying
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  because I think there was way more people and
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  she expected to show up. One of the great experiences
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  was at this sidekick panel. where they were discussing
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  the role that sidekicks play in different stories,
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  and they were discussing what happens when a
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  sidekick becomes such a big character that they
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  start to actually outshine the main character
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  of the story. And Matt had a really funny comment
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  about this. He said that he decided that he was
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  going to write the entire book series from the
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  perspective of the sidekick, and even went so
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  far as to name the book series after the sidekick,
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  Carl. Yeah, that was hilarious. It was really
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  fun because we had a Samantha head that was part
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  of our costume. And we basically had this doll
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  with a huge hole in it. And we were like, we
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  need to put something in the Nessie. So we had
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  Nessie candy and I did get to give Matt Nessie
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  candy, which I went up to him. I was like, hi,
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  Matt, do you want some Nessie candy? And he was
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  like, fuck yes, I want Nessie candy. And he said,
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  you know what? I put Nessie. in the book one
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  time. Now everybody is obsessed with it. So we
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  just throughout the whole weekend, we were interacting
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  with fans and talking to people. So many people
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  said that they had finished the series and then
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  have already read through it or listened through
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  it two, three, four, five times. And it was just
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  a really cool experience, but it was glaringly
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  obvious and apparent that there was a lot of
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  hunger. for more content and that was when we
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  kind of had the idea that hey we should start
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  a podcast about this yeah and it was so much
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  fun getting to meet all the other donuts and
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  carls but we really wanted to set up the dragon
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  con experience because we will be referencing
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  information that we got from one of those panels
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  right and that's where we're going to end things
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  for today next episode we're going to be starting
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  our discussion of book seven and start really
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  getting into the nitty -gritty of everything
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  But please be gentle with us as we're starting
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  with Polly's chapter, which is very complicated.
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  And we're going to be getting into the differences
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  between the different factions of residuals.
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  So it's a lot. It's daunting. Definitely. But
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  I will say it has been reassuring to go back
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  and read some old threads that I think. Everyone
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  is wrong on their theories sometimes, and that
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  is kind of the nature of a unfinished series
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  in a series where the narrator is supposed to
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  be somewhat unreliable. Absolutely. Well, thank
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