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Dr. Michael Eric Dyson- NY Times Best-selling Author, and Vanderbilt University Professor, talking new book, "Long Time Coming: Reckoning with Race in America" · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: He's Doctor Michael Eric Dyson. He's one of America's premier
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Speaker 1: public intellectuals and author of over twenty books, including seven
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Speaker 1: New York Times bestsellers. Dr Dyson's recipient of two a
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Speaker 1: Former President Barack Obama has noted everybody who speaks after
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Speaker 1: Michael Eric Dyson pales in comparison. His latest book, Long
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Speaker 1: Time Coming Reckoning with Rachel in America is not national bestseller.
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Speaker 1: Dr Dyson tells us about his latest book, Long Time
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Speaker 1: Coming and what compelled him to write this particular book
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Speaker 1: during this time. Please work with the money making conversations,
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Speaker 1: my man, Dr Michael Eric Dyson. Brother McDonald, man, it's
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Speaker 1: always great to see you. Hear you mellifluous language and
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Speaker 1: that fluid articulation with that. Well, we've been together a
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Speaker 1: long time, man, with Steve Harvey and I man all
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Speaker 1: the way back to l A days when when you
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Speaker 1: first came on our reader and UH came on, I
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Speaker 1: saw you knowny who's working for some other people. I've
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Speaker 1: been working with her, so I look, I'm just with
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Speaker 1: Steve Harvey alarm over here. But you go, now you go.
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Speaker 1: You know, I like to believe I had a little
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Speaker 1: blessing on each one of them. They blessed me. And
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Speaker 1: uh and more important of your information that you've given us.
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Speaker 1: And I want to go right off the part. And
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Speaker 1: you know, has been amazing racial year for us. You
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Speaker 1: know as African American men, you know how we've always
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Speaker 1: felt about the police from a standpoint of a strong
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Speaker 1: level of comfortness, you know. And but but they're sending
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Speaker 1: it play out in the public's eye. How would you say,
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Speaker 1: cell phone has player and cell phone has really been
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Speaker 1: the game changer. And I pursued a racial justice, There's
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Speaker 1: no doubt about that. It's a great way to characterize it.
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Speaker 1: The Gutenberg shift introduced by the smartphone, particular, has changed
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Speaker 1: the game. Now. You know, Black folking technology were always
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Speaker 1: doing stuff outside the box. Yes, yes, we had beepers
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Speaker 1: before we knew doctors had beepers right right right, physicians
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Speaker 1: have them too, what had and we knew what was
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Speaker 1: up so and they wasn't just paging their girls. We
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Speaker 1: have always made exorbitant, extravagant use available technology. And what
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Speaker 1: we've done with the smartphone has been extraordinary to be
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Speaker 1: able to record. I mean when we captured in Rodney King,
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Speaker 1: that was on a home video record, um, but but
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Speaker 1: a portable one. Now with the smartphone, it's even more accessible.
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Speaker 1: Everybody in their mama, grandmama, grandson, you know, cousin, uncle
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Speaker 1: has a smart phone. Everybody wants to be Margaret Brooke
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Speaker 1: White or you know Gordon Woods, uh and so is
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Speaker 1: there or Deborah willis. So. The thing is is that
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Speaker 1: we're able to use that smartphone to record what we
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Speaker 1: say is true. We've been telling you all that the
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Speaker 1: police act out of hand. We've been telling you all
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Speaker 1: that no matter what we do, they can cut the fool.
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Speaker 1: As my daddy used to say, they treat you with disrespect.
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Speaker 1: They will ignore you often, they will ignore your humanity,
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Speaker 1: your desire to be treated with equality. They will be
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Speaker 1: angry at you and resentful for you even having a
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Speaker 1: backbone or a voice. And now these these video cameras
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Speaker 1: have recorded it. Whether sometimes it's on the body cams
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Speaker 1: of some of these police people. But we can't really
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Speaker 1: rely on that because they turn them off and on
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Speaker 1: when they want, and they capture what they edited in
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Speaker 1: their ult to their own advantage. But the video recorder
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Speaker 1: on the video camera on the smartphone has changed the game.
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Speaker 1: George Floyd, Eric Garner, Walter Scott Um, Jacob Blake, Sandra Bland.
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Speaker 1: We we know that was recording from the UH from
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Speaker 1: the body cam, but we know that the phone can
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Speaker 1: change the game and make people see what we've seen
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Speaker 1: and at least throw a monkey wrench into the proceedings
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Speaker 1: when people are trying to act like we were acting
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Speaker 1: the food. We were trying to run away from the police,
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Speaker 1: we were trying to custo mind, we were trying to shoot.
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Speaker 1: All that has been put to rest. The smartphone is extraordinary.
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Speaker 1: Now let's talk about this because you know when you
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Speaker 1: when I'm reading your book, you know, because it's like
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Speaker 1: five chapters, you know, titled Black Deaf, Black Blue Plague,
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Speaker 1: right THEFF seeing read White Comfort. You know when you know,
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Speaker 1: whenever I see a Henry Lewis Gates Journey Junior, no
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Speaker 1: documentary was on PBS, so you know, whenever he gets
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Speaker 1: to Dr Martin Luther King, man, I can't watch that part, man,
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Speaker 1: that's the part of history. Mayor, I can't watch I
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Speaker 1: saw this weekend when he was going through when he
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Speaker 1: got to that name, he said, in eighteen six days,
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Speaker 1: I turned off the TV. Now you may not get
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Speaker 1: there with you. I heard death. Seriously, I heard that point.
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Speaker 1: I turned it off. I turned it offell something I
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Speaker 1: don't want erupt you. But given what you're saying, when
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Speaker 1: I go to the Civil Rights Museum in Memphis and
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Speaker 1: get to his room from three or six, I cried
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Speaker 1: like a baby every time. So it's like, I can't
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Speaker 1: you know. And so the reason I bring that up
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Speaker 1: because when you started looking at h Emmett Till and
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Speaker 1: Eric Ghanna Brianna Taylor, and you know what happened to
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Speaker 1: the fifteen year old of Chicago Pendleton and they had
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with the cop violence, but it was
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Speaker 1: about you know, black on black violence and somehow how
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Speaker 1: racial that goes back to the thirteenth Amendment. When you
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Speaker 1: are really going to break it all the way down
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Speaker 1: to Sandra Bland out of Houston, Texas area, how did
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Speaker 1: you emotionally hold it together? That's the question I want
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Speaker 1: to write. And I'm talking to Dr Eric Mikeu's Dawston
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Speaker 1: this book Longtime Coming Reckoning with RACI in America. Because
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Speaker 1: you are a scholar you're intellectual, but you're still emotional,
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Speaker 1: and you see all this stuff lining up, you know,
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Speaker 1: because what happened is a certain series of disbelief coming
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Speaker 1: about when you go, really, I forgot about this, I
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Speaker 1: forgot about this. Tell us about that emotional journey and
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Speaker 1: putting this book together. No, that's a great point you're making.
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Speaker 1: And look, obviously it was very difficult. Black people are
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Speaker 1: traumatized and we're re traumatized. We are terrorized, and we're
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Speaker 1: terrorized again. We are hurt and we're hurt again. Um.
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Speaker 1: And so having the watch this, having to go to
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Speaker 1: see King's place where he was assassinated, which gets me
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Speaker 1: every time, It makes me cry like a baby. Uh.
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Speaker 1: You know, people ask well, why did you write the
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Speaker 1: book the way you did. I'll tell you why, because,
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Speaker 1: as you said, I'm not just an intellectual, not just
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Speaker 1: a scholar. I'm a human being. I'm a black man.
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Speaker 1: When I see this stuff happening to black people, I
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Speaker 1: have a choice. I have to choose how to present it.
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Speaker 1: I have to choose how to articulate it. I have
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Speaker 1: to choose how to express it. But I make a decision.
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Speaker 1: Do I want to share the horror of what happened
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Speaker 1: to George Floyd. Yes, do I want to share the
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Speaker 1: horror of what happened to him mod Arbor, Yes, Now
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Speaker 1: I don't want to do it for sensational purposes. I
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Speaker 1: don't want to turn it into the pornography of black death,
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Speaker 1: where these are snuff films, the last few minutes of
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Speaker 1: black life shown on a recording that none of us
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Speaker 1: should see. There's no question. But at the same time,
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Speaker 1: I figured, if they could endure the death, if they
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Speaker 1: could actually die, if they could sacrifice their lives not
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Speaker 1: intentionally there their their purpose here on earth wasn't, as
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Speaker 1: far as they knew, to amplify or to echo the
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Speaker 1: extraordinary quest for black justice in our time. And yet
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Speaker 1: because of the nature of their death, that's exactly what happened.
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Speaker 1: George Floyd said he wants to change the world. He
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Speaker 1: didn't mean die and change the world. He didn't mean
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Speaker 1: die and leave his daughter and other children behind. He
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Speaker 1: didn't mean die in a enignominious death where he was
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Speaker 1: asphyxiated by the cops on a pavement street, where they
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Speaker 1: kept their knees on his neck for more than nine minutes.
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Speaker 1: But because of how he died, that transformed this culture
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Speaker 1: and indeed shook the globe. So if they could endure
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Speaker 1: the death, the least we could do is to grapple
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Speaker 1: with the hurt, the pain, the trauma, so that when
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Speaker 1: we watch it and see it and learn about it,
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Speaker 1: we can say, we don't want this happening to anybody else,
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Speaker 1: and let's make this the last time. That's the hope
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Speaker 1: I have. And try to talk about what these people
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Speaker 1: have been through in this book. Well, you style it
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Speaker 1: into letters, and it really was you know, when I
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Speaker 1: when I started reading, like I already told you, broken
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Speaker 1: down into five chapters, but the letter like black Death
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Speaker 1: is tied to in Mateil and you your story, it
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Speaker 1: and I don't think so. Okay, and we're gonna be
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Speaker 1: don't think so. And that's what your book is trying
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Speaker 1: the other side, will change come? Dr Dyson, Yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: a great question. Not inevitably, not automatically, not if we
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Speaker 1: I've heard this a lot of her. Tom Trump say,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot the word counsel is in your chapter
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Speaker 1: four seeing read when you start talking about counseling culture
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Speaker 1: a culture cancelation. Trump is saying that when you when
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Speaker 1: you get rid of the Confederate Statute, that's counseling that
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Speaker 1: culture denied. But then he doesn't let everybody know that
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Speaker 1: we've been canceled all the way because that information about slavery.
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Speaker 1: You know how Jim crow Laws is counseled because they
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Speaker 1: don't tell us about that because they don't want white
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Speaker 1: people to be uncomfortable when they're sitting in the classroom
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Speaker 1: talking about what the ancestors did to us. So we've
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Speaker 1: lived a life of culture cancelation. What if you so
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm feel I'm with the right man to ask
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Speaker 1: this question. What is culture cancelation of canceling culture? That's
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Speaker 1: a brilliant, brilliant analysis, and we have certainly been canceled.
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Speaker 1: You are so right. That's why I'm against cancel culture
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Speaker 1: in our expression, because white supremacy is cancel culture. And
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Speaker 1: I'm saying the cancel culture even if we call it
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Speaker 1: black Twitter or social media. Look, you might get a
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Speaker 1: Bill cos But you might get a Harvey Weinstein, you
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Speaker 1: might get an R. Kelly. But for the most part,
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Speaker 1: you're doing the lateral movement. You're doing peer to peer,
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Speaker 1: and even some of the powerful people you go after
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Speaker 1: because you disliked them. But to cancel another human being,
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Speaker 1: that's a white supremacist fashion, uh fantasy. That's a delusion
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Speaker 1: that we can totally eviscerat or wipe out, hold accountable, yes,
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Speaker 1: make people responsible, yes, But to cancel them if you
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Speaker 1: make a mistake, once you're done and gone. I believe
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Speaker 1: if Martin Luther King Jr. And Malcolm X were here today,
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Speaker 1: they would be canceled. Somebody would be trying to cancel
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Speaker 1: them because of their faults, because of their failures, because
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Speaker 1: of their narrowness on some issues. And yet these men
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Speaker 1: did extraordinary things for us, the absence of which would
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Speaker 1: make us far poorer in spirit and in racial achievement.
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Speaker 1: So to me, I'm not meaning what Donald Trump is meaning.
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Speaker 1: He's about cancel culture as pulling down them durn uh
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Speaker 1: Confederates flags and statues. Yeah, uh, you know what. I'm
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Speaker 1: all for that. I'm all for pulling them off the pedestal.
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Speaker 1: That's not what I mean by cancel culture. His notion
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Speaker 1: of cancel culture is the ability to continue to be
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Speaker 1: demagogic and to be dictatorial, and to be fascist, and
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Speaker 1: to be anti just anti black, anti brown, anti indigenous,
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Speaker 1: and to be exempt from social critique and moral responsibility.
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Speaker 1: That ain't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the
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Speaker 1: inclination to believe that your moral position is the only one.
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Speaker 1: That the way you deal with people with whom you
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Speaker 1: disagree or who honestly make mistakes is to obliterate them,
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Speaker 1: is to wipe them out so that they have no
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Speaker 1: comeback if they make one mistake, whether they're the governor
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Speaker 1: of Virginia who appears in black face. And if you
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Speaker 1: cancel him, what would you have missed? The fact that
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Speaker 1: he restored the voting rights of ten thousand ex prisoners
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Speaker 1: UH in returning citizens in Virginia, a large proportion of
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Speaker 1: whom we're black, the stuff he did with public health UH,
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Speaker 1: and also the wealth disparities and some of the social
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Speaker 1: justice issues there. If you cancel him, you cancel the
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Speaker 1: opportunity to reorganize the logic of democracy in Virginia. So
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Speaker 1: the thing is not to cancel people, hold them accountable,
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Speaker 1: make them responsible, Yes, pay for your quote sins, but
16:52
Speaker 1: allow me a comeback so I can say with what LLL,
16:56
Speaker 1: don't call it a come back. I've been here for years,
16:58
Speaker 1: Mama said, not you out. Let me have a chance
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Speaker 1: to be redeemed, to be restored. I am not down
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Speaker 1: with this evisceration, this eradication, this extirpation. This is just
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Speaker 1: wiping them out because I disagree with you, whether it's
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Speaker 1: about sexuality, whether it's about gender, whether it's about race.
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Speaker 1: I don't want a witch hunt through white America. Heye,
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Speaker 1: twenty years ago, did you call somebody the inn word
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Speaker 1: or did you do something wrong? I'm sure a lot
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Speaker 1: of people did a lot of stupid stuff. Or when
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Speaker 1: somebody's thirteen years old and they demignorant stuff and now
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Speaker 1: here they are fifteen years later trying to, you know,
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Speaker 1: become a ball player or get drafted, and we go
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Speaker 1: dig up some of the stupid stuff they I mean, right,
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Speaker 1: And my thing is, I'm not saying, don't hold people
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Speaker 1: accountable for If you still feel the same thing at
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Speaker 1: at that you felt at thirteen and it was racist
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Speaker 1: and vicious, that's a different story. But if you evolved
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Speaker 1: if you've grown, If you had some stuff when you
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Speaker 1: were younger it was dumb, or you said some stuff
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Speaker 1: that when you were younger, and now that you're more
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Speaker 1: mature in a different position, you're willing to change your mind.
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Speaker 1: Let's provide people the opportunity to grow into all I
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Speaker 1: believe with that, you know in in reading your book
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Speaker 1: and I'm talking to Dr Eric Dice, Michael Eric Dyson
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Speaker 1: a long time coming up reckoning with the RACI in America.
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Speaker 1: The thing that it was two things in the book
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Speaker 1: that really I was just taking it back. The detail
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Speaker 1: you know in your book, how you timelined out you know,
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Speaker 1: George Floyd's murder, how you timelined out the interactions between
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Speaker 1: human Aubrey when he was hunted down black man running
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Speaker 1: in the neighborhood. You know, uh, you know, the father
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Speaker 1: and son and then the cameraman who said he was
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Speaker 1: just there alone for the moment, but then he blocked
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Speaker 1: his path. So what I'm telling you is this, you
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Speaker 1: gave me information I didn't know, which is a brilliant.
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Speaker 1: Uh understand, because you realized that we need people like
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Speaker 1: you to give us the additional details because the media
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Speaker 1: is only gonna give you a minute or nanny seconds
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Speaker 1: or a caption of what it is. This book gives
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Speaker 1: you the details, especially on that my mom and Aubrey.
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Speaker 1: If you want to know exactly where we went down,
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Speaker 1: you gotta ride. They gotta buy your book, Michael, because
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Speaker 1: your book man is like I was like, wow, you
19:16
Speaker 1: know I mean from the time he got shot, then
19:19
Speaker 1: he got shot again, and then he hit him to
19:22
Speaker 1: try to fend himself off while he was being pursued,
19:26
Speaker 1: while he's being shot in attack. How he was cut
19:29
Speaker 1: off by this quote unquote. I was just there to
19:32
Speaker 1: take film everything. I wasn't trying to stop him from
19:35
Speaker 1: escaping or trying to stop him from doing anything. Wow,
19:38
Speaker 1: how did all this information come to you? And how
19:41
Speaker 1: did you think to detail it out like that? Because
19:43
Speaker 1: I'm telling he's brilliant, Because it opened my eyes and
19:47
Speaker 1: brought me emotionally back to the forefront. I got to
19:50
Speaker 1: know more. I need to know more. And this is
19:52
Speaker 1: a fantastic book. Well, first of all, I talked to
19:55
Speaker 1: a lot of people on this book tour, and you
19:57
Speaker 1: wanted the very few to dig into that, to acknowledge that,
20:01
Speaker 1: to talk about that, And I thank you for reading
20:03
Speaker 1: the book thoroughly, my man. Thing number one, because everybody
20:08
Speaker 1: who talking to you ain't read Joe book. And you
20:10
Speaker 1: have read it. Not only have you read it, you
20:12
Speaker 1: read it thoroughly. Um. And that's a real honor and
20:16
Speaker 1: thank you for that. Yes, I wanted to lay that out. Look,
20:19
Speaker 1: I did the quote spade work. I did the shoe
20:22
Speaker 1: leather on the pavement kind of work. I went and
20:24
Speaker 1: dug up the facts. I listened to the transcripts um
20:27
Speaker 1: of what was happening there. I looked at the film.
20:30
Speaker 1: I looked at the breakdown. I looked at the timing.
20:32
Speaker 1: I looked at what the father was doing. I looked
20:34
Speaker 1: at what they claimed that they were doing. But, like
20:37
Speaker 1: you said, the witness, I'm just there as an innocent party. No,
20:41
Speaker 1: you the third dude there, and you try to block
20:44
Speaker 1: my man from going any further and then retroactively after
20:48
Speaker 1: the fact ex post fact though you trying to, as
20:51
Speaker 1: my daddy would say, make like you the darned hero.
20:55
Speaker 1: And you're the one who made it possible for the
20:57
Speaker 1: film to get out in the world. But you know
20:59
Speaker 1: them other two white boys are the father and son
21:02
Speaker 1: are mad at him. Why the hell are you recording
21:05
Speaker 1: this and that recording is essentially it should clench our conviction.
21:13
Speaker 1: It should put us in jail for the rest of
21:15
Speaker 1: our lives, because we hunted this man down like an animal.
21:19
Speaker 1: He was unarmed, he had no possibility of self defense,
21:23
Speaker 1: he had committed no crime, and out of wanting disregard
21:28
Speaker 1: for his life and the stereotypical pursuit of a black
21:32
Speaker 1: man as an animal, they went and hunted him down
21:35
Speaker 1: and shot him and killed him. And I wanted every
21:38
Speaker 1: element of that to be brought to the fort, the
21:41
Speaker 1: details to be rich, so that people can understand exactly
21:44
Speaker 1: what went down again, because now I this day why
21:48
Speaker 1: he was, you know, brought up on charges, because at
21:51
Speaker 1: first all that could be with witness witness, and then
21:53
Speaker 1: when they brought him up on charges, I really didn't
21:55
Speaker 1: understand why he brought up on charges. But then when
21:57
Speaker 1: you say he cut him off, which four US armand
22:00
Speaker 1: Aubrey to go back towards the father and son duo
22:05
Speaker 1: who were pointing guns at him, and then they dropped
22:07
Speaker 1: out the truck, and that's when he was just fighting
22:09
Speaker 1: for his life. After that, he was just fighting for
22:11
Speaker 1: his life after that. And then when you looked at
22:13
Speaker 1: and then when you laid down the detail on George Floyd,
22:16
Speaker 1: you know, one was on his neck, one was on
22:19
Speaker 1: his back, and one was on his legs. That type
22:22
Speaker 1: of detail really allowed me to appreciate you know, your
22:26
Speaker 1: your your the ability to tell your story. You're a
22:28
Speaker 1: great storyteller. You're great story We need great storytellers because
22:31
Speaker 1: of the fact that great storytelling tied the great facts
22:34
Speaker 1: and great information and you live at a tremendous amount
22:37
Speaker 1: of information that uplifted me, opened my eyes and I
22:40
Speaker 1: also allowed me to be able to share this book
22:42
Speaker 1: with other my fans, my family member, my daughter, and
22:45
Speaker 1: people know need to understand. I just love the way
22:47
Speaker 1: you told the story and tied into an individual who
22:51
Speaker 1: has been traumatized and they traumatized to the point that
22:54
Speaker 1: they were killed by transactional whether it was tied to
22:57
Speaker 1: the police or community violence type situation that happened to
23:02
Speaker 1: the fifteen year old of Chicago, a young lady by
23:04
Speaker 1: name of Pumpton, who all knew was a scholar student
23:07
Speaker 1: and all that in her life was snuff dot And
23:09
Speaker 1: your beauty of this story is like the what if?
23:12
Speaker 1: Right right, sir? No, thank you again. The close reading
23:19
Speaker 1: mcdonnald was doing. Here is an object lesson in critique,
23:23
Speaker 1: criticism and engagement with a book. Man, this is what
23:27
Speaker 1: This is what authors like live for. Somebody take them seriously.
23:31
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna agree with me. Just read what the
23:33
Speaker 1: heck guy said. And I don't even care if you're
23:35
Speaker 1: arguing with me. Aren't you based on the facts of
23:38
Speaker 1: what you read? And that's what you're doing. Man, Thank
23:40
Speaker 1: you so much. And yes, I wanted to talk about
23:42
Speaker 1: both hands, the appendalty that I wanted to talk about.
23:46
Speaker 1: Now we know what's really called neighbor to neighbor of violence.
23:49
Speaker 1: People kill where they live. Ninety three percent of black
23:52
Speaker 1: people who are killed or killed by black people, but
23:54
Speaker 1: eighty four percent of white people who are killed are
23:56
Speaker 1: killed by white people. So we ain't got no Oh
23:59
Speaker 1: my god, why don't I cry? I was gonna drive
24:00
Speaker 1: White America into the dull drums and create catastrophe. People
24:04
Speaker 1: kill where they live. They don't get on no bus
24:06
Speaker 1: and take no tram and take no train. I have
24:09
Speaker 1: to kill nobody. They're killing right where they are because
24:11
Speaker 1: that's where the drama is, that's where the trauma is,
24:14
Speaker 1: that's where the hurt is. That's where the beef is.
24:17
Speaker 1: She was mistaken for a gang member, right They shot
24:20
Speaker 1: into the crowd, shot her in the back. One of
24:23
Speaker 1: them shot her, the other one drove the getaway car,
24:27
Speaker 1: and she was killed. Three lives lost. Two of them
24:30
Speaker 1: are serving life in prison, and her dear Pendleton's is lost.
24:34
Speaker 1: And that is the tragy I want to speak about
24:37
Speaker 1: to illuminate the context of cancel culture because I draw
24:41
Speaker 1: a parallel between us snuffing out our own in the
24:45
Speaker 1: radius of our intimacy, where are kin folk car that
24:49
Speaker 1: ends up hurting and harming them, and the way in
24:52
Speaker 1: which cancel culture operates to destroy communities, well, destroy careers,
24:58
Speaker 1: and destroy human beings based upon the digital lynch mob
25:03
Speaker 1: going out getting like they used when they want. You
25:06
Speaker 1: mentioned Emmett Till when they hung him and murdered him.
25:09
Speaker 1: It's a digital version of that lynch mob going on,
25:13
Speaker 1: and I wanted to address that and as honest and
25:15
Speaker 1: straightforward a way as possible. Well, thank you Michael for
25:18
Speaker 1: coming on the show. Thank you for giving me a
25:20
Speaker 1: book to read. Uh you know, this is my new show.
25:22
Speaker 1: I'm have a little table and we'll put back here
25:25
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be one of the books. I'm gonna
25:26
Speaker 1: keep my favorites on that. So if anybody say I
25:30
Speaker 1: think I saw her Sean show and he had your
25:32
Speaker 1: book and sit behind him, to yare man, man, you
25:35
Speaker 1: got a bunch of book I have a few selected
25:37
Speaker 1: ones I think that I called game changers. This is
25:39
Speaker 1: a game changing. Thank you for coming on my show, Michael.
25:42
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. You one of the great
25:44
Speaker 1: figures in our community and in our culture. You've been
25:46
Speaker 1: out here for you a long distance runner. You ain't
25:48
Speaker 1: no sprinter long this is running. You made my brother.
25:52
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me on the show. And keep
25:53
Speaker 1: winning at Vanderbilt University. Okay, thank you, my brother. Appreciate
25:57
Speaker 1: thank you. We talked to bye bye. We'll have more
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