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High-Tech Drone Rescue Abroad plus Waltz put Whistleblowers Under Watch · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: First up, an incredible rescue of some Americans that were
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  Speaker 1: shot down by Iran by a drone boat. We have
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  Speaker 1: the details on that for you. And also more exposure
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  Speaker 1: with fraud in Minnesota, but this time it was government
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  Speaker 1: officials harassing government employee whistleblowers who were telling about the
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  Speaker 1: All right, So Sentata, let's get into this first story
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  Speaker 1: and you said it best.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to just Technology.
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  Speaker 1: In twenty twenty six, for the first time in history,
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  Speaker 1: you had a drone boat that saved the lives of
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  Speaker 1: two Americans that were shut down by Iran.
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  Speaker 2: There's no pilot, like, no one on board.
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  Speaker 1: This is a boat just like a drone in the
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  Speaker 1: sky that is controlled by you know, a joystick, and
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  Speaker 1: it was able to go extremely fast, get these guys
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  Speaker 1: and get out before the enemy could touch them. This
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  Speaker 1: is unbelievable and the best part is this technology is
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  Speaker 1: coming out of the United States of American.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, it's coming out of Texas. Well.
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  Speaker 3: It's not even directly controlled by a joystick. It's actually
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  Speaker 3: AI that controls this. And this is a company based
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  Speaker 3: in Austin. I've been to their factory. I've seen their factory.
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  Speaker 3: It's amazing that they're building these ships. And the ships
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  Speaker 3: are and they have all sorts of different sizes. They
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  Speaker 3: have bigger ones, they have smaller ones. They're gonna have
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  Speaker 3: drone ships that are are over one hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 3: feet long that are big ships, but they also have
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  Speaker 3: smaller military vessels, and then they have really small drones.
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  Speaker 3: And these drones can do all sorts of things. They're
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  Speaker 3: all boats, but they can do surveillance, they can do espionage,
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  Speaker 3: they can do military combat. They could be armed with weaponry.
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  Speaker 3: They can transport supplies. If you're trying to say, resupply
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  Speaker 3: soldiers that are in a form forward combat position, they
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  Speaker 3: can resupply them. So this is all coming out of Austin, Texas.
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  Speaker 3: It's amazing technology. And what precipitated it is that that earlier,
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  Speaker 3: earlier today, an armed Iranian shah head drones struck a
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  Speaker 3: US Apache helicopter and it went down in the sea
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  Speaker 3: off the coast of Aman on Monday. US Central Command
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  Speaker 3: reported that the helicopter was on patrol when it was
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  Speaker 3: struck by the drone, but the two pilots who were
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  Speaker 3: aboard the Apache helicopter were safely rescued with it a
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  Speaker 3: out two hours of the strike. And it's worth here.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to play the Fox News report that covered it.
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  Speaker 3: And for those of you who are watching this on YouTube,
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  Speaker 3: you could watch the video of this drone ship that
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  Speaker 3: was responsible for rescuing our soldiers in combat. Give a listen,
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  Speaker 3: give watch.
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  Speaker 4: Deron's under attack.
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  Speaker 5: Trump ordered Sentcom to launch self defense strikes after an
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  Speaker 5: enemy drone took down an Apache helicopter patrolling the straight
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  Speaker 5: The two pilots were rescued out of the water by
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  Speaker 5: an unmanned sea drone operated by Task Force fifty nine
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  Speaker 5: in Bahrain.
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  Speaker 4: The drones Texas made.
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  Speaker 5: It's twenty four feet long and can travel one thousand
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  Speaker 5: miles and hit speeds of thirty five knots and it's
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  Speaker 5: the first sea drone rescue in combat history. Trump was
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  Speaker 5: on the phone with the press when he gave the order.
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  Speaker 5: Podas said, this is a retaliation for the helicopter hit,
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  Speaker 5: and it's important that our response is strong and powerful.
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  Speaker 5: Sencom call our response proportional.
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  Speaker 4: But sources say.
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  Speaker 5: We're taking out Iranian air defenses, radar systems all along
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  Speaker 5: the Straight and we're not finished technically. I know it
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  Speaker 5: doesn't seem like it, but we're still in a ceasefire.
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  Speaker 5: And the President continues to say we're close to.
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  Speaker 3: A deal where in the final throes of what will
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  Speaker 3: be a very very good deal that will not allow
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  Speaker 3: in any way, shape or form, nuclear weapons, etc.
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  Speaker 2: And then Straight will open up right away.
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  Speaker 3: It'll open up immediately upon signing, which could be in
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  Speaker 3: two or three days.
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  Speaker 4: Trump's made the terms clear.
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  Speaker 5: The ranium must be turned over and destroyed, enrichment must
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  Speaker 5: stop for two decades at least, all nuclear sites must
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  Speaker 5: be completely dismantled, and the United States is able to
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  Speaker 5: conduct snap inspections whenever the heck we want.
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  Speaker 1: You listen to that report and it goes back to
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  Speaker 1: the bigger issue in the war and what we're trying
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  Speaker 1: to accomplish their Senator, but you go back to just
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  Speaker 1: the beginning of it. Thirty five knots, that's about forty
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  Speaker 1: miles an hour in rough seas. That's incredibly fast, especially
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  Speaker 1: if you're twenty five foot boat.
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  Speaker 2: As they described here.
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  Speaker 1: This technology allows these boats to go faster than what
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  Speaker 1: most like. If you're a human riding in a boat
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  Speaker 1: and heavy seas and rough seas, going at that speed
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  Speaker 1: is going to be very risky to you. This takes
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  Speaker 1: that away as well, which again talks about how the
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  Speaker 1: speed they were able to actually get to these two
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  Speaker 1: pilots that have been shot down.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, it's a manifestation of the new age
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  Speaker 3: of warfare where where these drone ships are not massively expensive.
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  Speaker 3: You look at aircraft carriers and expensive ships that can
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  Speaker 3: cost hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars that
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  Speaker 3: are powered with nuclear reactors. That's been how we've approached
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  Speaker 3: naval power for seventy years. And now we have a
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  Speaker 3: scenario where these drones are not terribly expensive to be built.
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  Speaker 3: They can be built at scale, and you can deploy
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  Speaker 3: one of them, or ten of them, or a thousand
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  Speaker 3: of them, or ten thousand of them, and the ability
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  Speaker 3: and with AI you can control Look, ten thousand. In
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  Speaker 3: a normal world, you'd have to have ten thousand captains
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  Speaker 3: piloting them. You could have AI and you can assign.
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  Speaker 3: You could assign, for example, ten thousand drone ships patrol
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  Speaker 3: this area. AI can direct them, but they're searching and
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  Speaker 3: they'll engage in espionage and gain engage in reporting on
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  Speaker 3: what they find. You can train them to protect protect
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  Speaker 3: a particular ship, protect something that's going on, protect a
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  Speaker 3: port or harbor. They can do that. You can assign
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  Speaker 3: them go intercept this vessel. And if they're armed with
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  Speaker 3: ordnance that they can fire torpedoes, they can have explosives.
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  Speaker 3: And because the ships themselves are not super expensive, it
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  Speaker 3: also means that if you lose one ship or ten
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  Speaker 3: or one hundred, it's not the end of the world.
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  Speaker 2: It's not that is risks.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's Look, we're saying the same thing with
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  Speaker 3: aerial drones, where we're headed very quickly to a world
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  Speaker 3: and some of this we're actually getting some foreshadowing of
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  Speaker 3: this with the war in Ukraine, where the battle between
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  Speaker 3: Ukraine and Russia, much of it is involving drones and
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  Speaker 3: the ability to have thousands or tens of thousands of
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  Speaker 3: drones and instead of one big, really expensive thing, lots
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  Speaker 3: and lots of smaller less expensive things which can overwhelm
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  Speaker 3: the previous technology. And I got to say that having
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  Speaker 3: been to the factory. Look, these guys are a startup
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  Speaker 3: at Austin, Texas. I know, I know the CEO, I
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  Speaker 3: know the lead funders, and they're you know, young techies
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  Speaker 3: who are entrepreneurial, who have a vision and and and
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  Speaker 3: there desire to scale this. It is very cool. This
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  Speaker 3: is the first drone rescue at sea in combat in
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  Speaker 3: the history of the world. And you know what, this
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  Speaker 3: is not going to be the last. We're going to
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  Speaker 3: see a lot more. By the way, there are civilian
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  Speaker 3: applications of this that have nothing to do with combat. Look,
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  Speaker 3: look the Coastguard, I would say.
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  Speaker 1: I literally was talking the Coastguard as we were on
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  Speaker 1: family vacation and one of the guys I saw and
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  Speaker 1: you know, just saying things. But one of the things
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  Speaker 1: that was cool they were talking about is technology. They
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  Speaker 1: said a lot of times the helicopters, when there's the
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  Speaker 1: worst weather and boats get in trouble, they can be
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  Speaker 1: commercial vessels, they can be recreational, they can be commercial
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  Speaker 1: fishing boats. When things get really bad with weather. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes the weather's too bad to go out right at
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  Speaker 1: that moment in a helicopter because it's so bad. But
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  Speaker 1: if you have drones that you can risk no life
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  Speaker 1: going out there, it changes the entire way that it works.
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  Speaker 1: And there's some of that are afraid, like, hey, well
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  Speaker 1: that's gonna take jobs and a way human beings. But
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  Speaker 1: if you can't be there in that moment and you
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  Speaker 1: can send out a drone that could quite possibly save
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  Speaker 1: your life. Did a normal if it's if it's if
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  Speaker 1: it's you know, man controlled, you just can't take that
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  Speaker 1: risk and you come back it's too rough. You can
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  Speaker 1: throw drones out there and save countless lives in that scenario.
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  Speaker 1: This is technology that is life changing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I will say, Ben, have you ever met
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  Speaker 3: Coastguard swimmers.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, they're unbelievable.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean they're kind of they're the equivalent
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  Speaker 3: of Navy seals or Delta Force green Berets' they're the
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  Speaker 3: most badass coasts. Yeah, and I met met a number
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  Speaker 3: of them, particularly in the wake of Hurricane Harvey. So
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  Speaker 3: Hurricane Harvey was a twenty seventeen was at the time
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  Speaker 3: the second most costly natural disaster in American history, did
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  Speaker 3: massive damage all the way down from Corpus Christie all
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  Speaker 3: the way up hundreds of miles up the Texas coast
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  Speaker 3: to the border right with Louisiana, and it just was
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  Speaker 3: devastating damage and the coasts that these swimmers would go out,
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  Speaker 3: and these guys you meet them, and they're like twenty
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  Speaker 3: year old guys and sort of imagine like g I
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  Speaker 3: Joe combined with a California surfer dude.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: So they're guys. They have these, you know, enormous chests
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  Speaker 3: because they're like massive swimmers, and so imagine Michael Phelps
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  Speaker 3: with these like long ass arms and like massive swimmers,
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  Speaker 3: but with sort of bleach blonde hair and they've got
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  Speaker 3: like shades hanging from their head and they're like, yeah, bro,
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  Speaker 3: like it's it's They're not.
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  Speaker 1: Like guys that you also met that save people's lives
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  Speaker 1: and the flooding that happened in Texas.
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  Speaker 3: Not that yes, yes, look last summer fourth of July.
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  Speaker 3: But these swimmers, they will get on helicopters in the
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  Speaker 3: middle of a hurricane where you've got waves in the
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  Speaker 3: ocean that are ten twenty feet high that are terrify,
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  Speaker 3: and these guys will jump out of a helicopter into
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  Speaker 3: the crashing waves and go rescue someone. And it is
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  Speaker 3: there's a fearlessness to not only jumping in crashing twenty
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  Speaker 3: foot waves, which which most of us, if we're in
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  Speaker 3: those waves, are going to die, but they'll don't jump
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  Speaker 3: in when there are people in harm's way and they'll
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  Speaker 3: go grab them. To be clear, if you or I
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  Speaker 3: were in twenty foot waves and drowning, someone came, we'd
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  Speaker 3: grab on them and pull on and you're terrified, like
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  Speaker 3: they know they're going to go rescue someone who's freaking out,
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  Speaker 3: who's gonna not intentionally, but it's going to effectively try
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  Speaker 3: to pull them under, and they're just they're really cool.
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  Speaker 3: But you're right. There are times where the weather is
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  Speaker 3: so bad you can't send the chopper in, and and
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  Speaker 3: and the ability to send a drone in to have
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  Speaker 3: something to rescue, say, you know someone that's out, you know,
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  Speaker 3: just just on a boat and gets in trouble. That
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  Speaker 3: is game changing. And that's coming out of Tech Texas
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  Speaker 3: and all of the new tech that is based in Texas.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is an incredible story.
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  Speaker 1: Every once in a while you get a feel good
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  Speaker 1: story like this, and we should celebrate it. It also
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  Speaker 1: is a reminder I think of why it's so important
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  Speaker 1: to make sure that we're adequately funding technology. You've talked
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  Speaker 1: about this, and I've talked about this a lot. Center
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  Speaker 1: This is a perfect example of us winning the war
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  Speaker 1: on AI to make sure that our adversary, China is
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  Speaker 1: not leading the way on AI. If this is AI controlled,
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  Speaker 1: this goes and this is one of those examples. I
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  Speaker 1: do think we should highlight it for a second. This
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  Speaker 1: is why America has to win the AI race. You
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  Speaker 1: have less us and you've been warning on this issue,
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  Speaker 1: and I think we should just take them out. Remind people,
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  Speaker 1: if we aren't in charge of this, our adversary would
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  Speaker 1: be and that's a scary world as well.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, if China masters this technology before
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  Speaker 3: we do, that is a generation skipping advance in technology.
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  Speaker 3: And if they have the ability to send a thousand
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  Speaker 3: or ten thousand or one hundred thousand AI controlled owns
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  Speaker 3: at one of our aircraft carriers, there's a real risk
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  Speaker 3: that that you know, the weapons we have to take
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  Speaker 3: out say surface surface to surface missiles or bombs we have,
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  Speaker 3: you know those our aircraft carriers are incredibly expensive and
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  Speaker 3: powerful tools, but they were made to take out a
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  Speaker 3: limited number of ordinance and not just massive drone assaults.
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  Speaker 3: We're shifting to a new technology where where look, if
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  Speaker 3: we're in a conflict with a smaller rival, that's less dangerous.
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  Speaker 3: Although you know what in times even terrorists and smaller rivals,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to see. We're going to see more and
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  Speaker 3: more military attacks using drones. We're going to see things,
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  Speaker 3: We're going to see assassinations, We're going to see people
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  Speaker 3: killed using drones. That that is, unfortunately where the future
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  Speaker 3: is heading. One of the things the US military is
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  Speaker 3: investing in heavily with American technology is counter drone technology.
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  Speaker 3: How do you take out how do you take out
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  Speaker 3: drones that are attacking you? And some of what is
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  Speaker 3: working is lower cost ordinance that you can't fire a
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  Speaker 3: patriot missile at every drone coming in. It just the
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  Speaker 3: cost differential they can swarm you. So, you know, was
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  Speaker 3: that another Texas company where they're building basically the equivalent
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  Speaker 3: of a really big, badass machine gun that is power
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  Speaker 3: that is firing like fifty cow rounds, but is firing
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  Speaker 3: them with AI where they could target hundreds or thousands
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  Speaker 3: of drones. But the cost of a round is not
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  Speaker 3: very expensive. So instead of spending an entire patriot missile
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  Speaker 3: or something that you have limited supply of, we have
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  Speaker 3: essentially unlimited supply of rounds and so but using those
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  Speaker 3: robot powered with AI to take out takeout attacks in scale.
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  Speaker 3: More and more that is coming in their different ways
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  Speaker 3: to take out drones. You've got ordnance, got laser and
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  Speaker 3: microwave and that we're exploring all sorts of different technologies
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  Speaker 3: to take out a hostile drone. But if we lose
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  Speaker 3: this race, we would be at a serious military disadvantage
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  Speaker 3: to China. We can't let that happen, and I don't
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  Speaker 3: think we're going to.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I want to move on to this other
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  Speaker 1: incredible story center coming out of Minnesota, and in life,
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  Speaker 1: especially in government work, you're told that if you're a
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  Speaker 1: whistleblower that you have protections and that if you're a
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  Speaker 1: whistleblower you should not be afraid for your job or
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  Speaker 1: that someone's going to come after you, certainly the government
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  Speaker 1: that you work for. Well, apparently that's not the case
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  Speaker 1: in Minnesota. And if you want to know how the
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  Speaker 1: Somali fraud got so bad, it might actually be because
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  Speaker 1: the governor was coming after the whistleblower, not those that
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  Speaker 1: were committing the crimes in Minnesota with his new shocking report.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that is inevitable. Number one, the law, federal law
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  Speaker 3: and typically state law that protects whistleblowers. That gives you
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  Speaker 3: legal protection because you want whistleblowers to call attention to fraud.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: But number two, if a government official goes after the whistleblowers,
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  Speaker 3: attacks the whistleblowers, refuses to follow the law and whistleblowers,
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  Speaker 3: that is powerful indication of a guilty mind that you're
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  Speaker 3: covering something up. It's sort of like if if someone
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  Speaker 3: is is murdered in Central Park and and you catch
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  Speaker 3: a person burning their clothes from that night and destroying
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  Speaker 3: the murder weapon. Yeah, that is powerful, powerful evidence that
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  Speaker 3: they're the murderer. That that that that that that it
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  Speaker 3: is typically the guilty who destroys evidence who tries to
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  Speaker 3: cover it up. That that that that if you're not guilty,
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  Speaker 3: you have far less motivation, far less likelihood to try
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  Speaker 3: to silence whistleblowers to try to destroy evidence. So here's
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  Speaker 3: the story that broken in the Daily Caller. The headline
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  Speaker 3: is Tim Walts's staff hired private investigators to silence fraud whistleblowers.
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  Speaker 3: Committee report finds senior Minnesota state officials allegedly hired outside
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  Speaker 3: investigators to silence whistleblowers in an attempt to cover up
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  Speaker 3: widespread state social services fraud. A House committee report released
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  Speaker 3: Monday found The two hundred page staff report by the
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  Speaker 3: House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform found that Democrat
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  Speaker 3: Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz's state's administration intimidated and retaliated against
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  Speaker 3: state employees who raised concerns about fraud solicitings private investigators
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  Speaker 3: investigators to reveal employees' personal details. Report titled The Cost
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  Speaker 3: of Doing Nothing, How Tim Waltson Keith Ellison Fueled Minnesota's
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  Speaker 3: fraud explosion, exposed that senior state officials as high as
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  Speaker 3: allegedly Governor Waltz, were aware of widespread fraud for years
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  Speaker 3: and neglected to respond to reports. A Minnesota Department of
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  Speaker 3: Education official who contacted the FBI told federal investigators she
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  Speaker 3: was pressured quote at every turn by her superiors to
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  Speaker 3: stop raising fraud concerns and was quote handslapped when she
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  Speaker 3: continued to investigate, according to the report. The official also
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: reported that she was warned by state administrators to quote
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  Speaker 3: stop digging into things, as it would appear that she
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: was quote targeting certain groups. This is DEI and fraud
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  Speaker 3: all coming together along with corruption to elect Democrats, The
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  Speaker 3: article continues. Dozens of other whistleblowers reported dozens that they
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  Speaker 3: were told to stay silent about fraud concerns by the
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  Speaker 3: Minnesota Department of Human Services because they would be labeled
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  Speaker 3: quote racist or islamophobic. DHS also told st employees that
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  Speaker 3: raising fraud concerns would harm the state, the report said.
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  Speaker 3: Whistleblowers reported the DHS conducted arbitrary investigations to photograph their
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  Speaker 3: cars and houses, monitor their phones and computers, and asked
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  Speaker 3: employees where their kids attended school. Now that it's going
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  Speaker 3: to get worse, then, Temporary Commissioner Sharene Gandhi, by the way,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: I'm going to give you some foreshadowing that that that
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: miss Gandhi did not behave like Gandhi. Instead, she confirmed
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: and a testimony copied in the report that the state
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: department used outside entities to conduct these investigations of employees,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: but could not confirm whether independent law firms were used.
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  Speaker 3: Gandhi also confirmed in her testimony that DHS management would
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  Speaker 3: regularly meet and quote shack in on employees who had
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  Speaker 3: reported fraud concerns. Gandhi continued to conduct these check ins
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  Speaker 3: on DHS whistleblower Fay Bernstein quote a year or two
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: after her investigatory leave. So they hunted them down and
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: they stayed harassing them. Bernstein alleged that Gandhi quote shamed
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  Speaker 3: her in a meeting after she raised concerns about fraud
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  Speaker 3: and quote excluded her from further meetings on the topic.
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  Speaker 3: Whistleblowers also alleged that former State Commissioner Jody Harpstead held
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: a division wide meeting and told attendees that quote, employees
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  Speaker 3: would be punished if they reported concerns about fraud and
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  Speaker 3: DHS programs. According to the report, DHS employee Emmanuel Nuala told
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: colleagues that he quote did intelligence research within the army
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: and appears to have threatened to provide IP addresses to
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: former colleagues in order to find the locations of whistleblowers'
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: email addresses. An email obtained through a public data request
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: showed now it's about to get even worse. The report
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: also alleged that DHS d anonymized an internal fraud hotline
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: for employees in an attempt to intimidate fraud reporters. After
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: whistleblowers later created an anonymous external email to report fraud,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: DHS blocked the email address. Whistleblowers reported that their fraud
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: hotline tips were sent to Human Resources and used against them.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: The hotline was originally anonymous, but was de anonymised under
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Gandhi's tenure as deputy Commissioner of HR. Governor Waltz appointed
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  Speaker 3: Gandhi's commissioner of DHS in February twenty twenty, but removed
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: her in May before her confirmation hearing amid scrutiny of
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  Speaker 3: her response to fraud allegations. This is anyone who claims, gosh,
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: the elected officials of Minnesota, they were victims. They didn't know.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: They wanted to go after the fraud, which, by the way,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: both Waltz and Ellison keep saying, oh, we wanted to
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: go after the fraud, we wanted to prosecute it. This demonstrates,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: I think powerfully they are lying. Not only did they
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: not want to go after the fraud, they were doing
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: everything they could to silence the whistleblowers and prevent anyone
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: from knowing about the fraud.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and this goes back to the other question of accountability.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: If everything that we just mentioned turns out to be true,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: there's obviously now an open investigation into this. If you
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: do these things, are you breaking the law? And if
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: it goes all the way the governor is he breaking
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: the law? And the people below are they breaking the law?
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: And is there any accountability for this or is this
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: just well, Walt isn't running for reelection, so it doesn't
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: really matter anymore, and we'll just move on and yeah,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: we may continue to do things like this in the
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: future without accountability.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, the Department of Justice has created an entire new
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: division focused going after fraud. And I hope everyone who
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: made these decisions faces accountability if they committed criminal violations,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: that they are prosecuted. I am hopeful. I can tell
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: you I'm urging the Department of Justice hold them accountable.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: To the way our constitutional system works, it's not the legislature. Look,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: I'm in the Senate. I can't prosecute anybody. I don't
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: have executive authority. I have legislative authority. I can write legislation,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: which I have, but I can't the power to bring
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  Speaker 3: an indictment the power to go before a grand jury
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: to get an indictment to prosecute. That is exclusively within
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: the executive branch, within principally the US Department of Justice
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: at the federal level. And so I can I tell
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  Speaker 3: you this, I am urging the Attorney General and DJ
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: prosecute every single person who committed criminal acts, who covered
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: up this fraud, who benefited from it, who knew what
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  Speaker 3: they were doing. And this is this is a real
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: smoking gun.
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  Speaker 2: And at the age I go back to Ellison there
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  Speaker 2: we know his name.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if he's involved in this and is using and
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: weaponizing the government to go after those that were not
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  Speaker 1: committing the fraud, those that were trying to whistle blow
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: on the fraud fraud and they are harassed. Is there
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: any lane for the people that were being harassed to
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: somehow have like, you know, restitution for what they went through.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: If you're being.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Harassed for two years after you put in a tip,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: that's got to put a lot of stress in your life.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming it puts stress in your career. I'm assuming it.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Could have affected a lot of people getting promotions that
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: they deserved.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Look, and I would assume we're going to see civil
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: litigation of people fire filing lawsuits and seeking UH compensation
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: for this, and and that litigation could well be successful.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: UH.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: In terms of criminal prosecution, this would not surprise me.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know sitting here, UH if if Minnesota law
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: makes doing this a criminal violation in Minnesota. Now, of course,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: the federal government can't prosecute violations of Minnesota law. It
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: would take a a Minnesota district attorney UH to bring
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: that case. And and I got to admit, I'm very
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: skeptical that that that there are any prosecutors in Minnesota
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: willing to hold the corrupt Democrats in charge of that
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: state accountable.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: UH.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: If they're not, then there's not really a mechanism to
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: enforce Minnesota law, which means you would be left with
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: with federal law. And given that these are federal funds
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: that were effectively being stolen and fund funneled to Somali,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: fund funneled to Somalian fraudsters, being sent, among other places,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: to al Shabab, and we before h on this PODCAS
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: cast that the single largest funder of ALA, which is
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: the Dacaslamic terrorist group that is in Somalia, their number
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: one funder was the taxpayers of Minnesota, and those are
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: also federal taxpayer money. So look, I expect the Department
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: of Justice. They've already prosecuted a number of the fraudsters
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: at the lower level, but I hope they go right
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: up right up the ladder of accountability and any politicians
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: that are responsible. And to be clear, this happened because
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: it was in politicians' political interest for this to happen,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: because they were getting money from campaign donations and they
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: were getting votes from allowing Somalian fraudsters to rob the
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: taxpayers of Minnesota and the American taxpayers. And look that
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: this has happened also in other states. It's happened in
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Maine under the Democrat governor there. It's happened in California,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: it's happened in Illinois. It's happened, I think, all over
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: the country, but predominantly in Democrat states where there are
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Democrat politicians who are benefiting from turning the other way
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: to fraud. And I think everyone who committed a criminal
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: act should face prosecution and real consequences.
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