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Rev. Dr. Al Sharpton on Don King Being A White Donald Trump · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: Shopton hosts a daily radio show, Keeping It Real with
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Speaker 1: He does it combined seventeen hours of television and radio
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Speaker 1: Reverend Al Shopton, how you doing, my friend? Before we
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Speaker 1: before we got on the air. I was real. I
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Speaker 1: read the book the last couple I try to read
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Speaker 1: quote a book. It's close to my interview, so everything
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Speaker 1: stays fresh rep now shopping I started yesterday. I wrapped
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Speaker 1: it up. I got up at four o'clock this morning,
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Speaker 1: wrapped it up this morning. Uh. The book was so
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Speaker 1: compelling because it felt like because the things you were
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Speaker 1: talking about were just like in the news almost yesterday
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Speaker 1: and here am I reading the book today. So when
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Speaker 1: did you wrap? When did you stop writing the book
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Speaker 1: and turn it over to the publisher to make it
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Speaker 1: such a relevant and current event book. Well, what happened
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Speaker 1: is uh, in early spring I started writing, and I
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Speaker 1: said that I wanted to write a book because I
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Speaker 1: felt that the countries at the crossroads. Uh, in many
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Speaker 1: of the things that we have dealt with for the
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Speaker 1: last half a century as a country, fight around black
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Speaker 1: lives and and our civil rights, African Americans to fight
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Speaker 1: around gen D quality for women, to fight around l
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Speaker 1: g b t Q rights, to Friday around healthcare. And
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Speaker 1: it was a stark contrast between the way the past
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Speaker 1: administration of Barack Obama all the way back to the
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Speaker 1: days of Dr King when I was just a kid
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Speaker 1: was going one way and now the way this president
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Speaker 1: administration has gone in those areas. And then the pandemic hit.
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Speaker 1: So I staid in the purpose of wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: let me put the pandemic, and not knowing it would
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Speaker 1: last as long as it did, because as you know,
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Speaker 1: in early March when it started really hitting, we thought
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Speaker 1: it would be over by Eastern and Eastern turned into
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Speaker 1: the fourth of July. So I kept adding and keV
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Speaker 1: adding and updating until uh, George Floyd happened, and I
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Speaker 1: really had to delay it because I ended up in
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Speaker 1: the middle of all of that, And then I finally said,
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Speaker 1: right before we did the big march on Washington August
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Speaker 1: that that was it. I was gonna have to close
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Speaker 1: it because it looks like things we're not gonna called down.
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Speaker 1: So I wrote all the way to the late August.
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Speaker 1: You know when I look at things and you know
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Speaker 1: I've alone your long time. You know, my relationship with
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Speaker 1: Steve Harman. I still have a positive relationship with Steve
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Speaker 1: uh and trying to define who my what my voice is,
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Speaker 1: and listening to your voice and I see what it
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Speaker 1: really is. Because I want to call out some information
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Speaker 1: about the Black lives Matter movement, which is about police
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Speaker 1: accountability reform. But now I guess in eighty four, which
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Speaker 1: you marched on, shot four black men on the subway,
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Speaker 1: this is about you discussed this in your book. He
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Speaker 1: was ultimately cleared of attempted murder and served less than
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Speaker 1: a year in jail for illegal firearms. That's what they're
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Speaker 1: charging for today. But now I guess it's still living
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Speaker 1: in New York City. Okay. Then you had the Howard
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Speaker 1: Beach incident in the eighteen eighty six what you're discussing
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Speaker 1: your book, when Michael Griffin was struck and killed by
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Speaker 1: passion motor after being troy chased by white mall. Then
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Speaker 1: in eighteen eighty nine the Vincent Hurst incident, another white
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Speaker 1: mall and sixteen year old Yustep Hawkins was shot and
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Speaker 1: killed Sean Bell fifty bullocks. Now fast forward to in
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Speaker 1: his back, and now fast forward to Air Ghana and
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Speaker 1: George Floyd, and I say, I have to ask you
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Speaker 1: about the Black Lives mar The movement because you've been
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Speaker 1: doing this for a long time and people kind of
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Speaker 1: act like this movement just started because it's been publicized
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Speaker 1: so much in the media and seen, you know, the
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Speaker 1: Trump administration, led by Rudy Giuliani, tried to call it
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Speaker 1: a terrorist group, an organization. I made accusation. It was that.
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Speaker 1: Tell us, from your your standpoint, what is the Black
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Speaker 1: Lives Matter movement? I think it is a movement that
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Speaker 1: is really calling on accountability of police. I don't think
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Speaker 1: it's even an anti police movement. It's an anti bad
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Speaker 1: police movement. And I think it has been effective and
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Speaker 1: it has grown. UH. You know when tray Blon Martin
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Speaker 1: was killed UH in UH two thousand and twelves and
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Speaker 1: Lamford's flada UH and ironically President Trump is kicking off
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Speaker 1: his you know, coming out of COVID UH with his
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Speaker 1: first rally in Stanford, Florida, and UH in the same
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Speaker 1: exact location. UH when they happened, They wouldn't even arrest
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Speaker 1: George Zimmerman, who shot and killed Treyvon and his parents.
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Speaker 1: And attorney Ben Crump, who has worked with UH media
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Speaker 1: National Action Network for on the other cases, came to me.
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Speaker 1: I had not even heard of Treyvon, and Attorney Crupp said,
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Speaker 1: that's why we came to you. Trayvon had already been
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Speaker 1: funeralized and buried for about two weeks. They said we
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Speaker 1: want you to help make this a national issue. So
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Speaker 1: I got on it and I said, well, let's have
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Speaker 1: a rally right there in Sanford, and UH we called
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Speaker 1: some of our people chapters around Florida, but then we
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Speaker 1: also called out national radio people. One of the people
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Speaker 1: that UH called and people the listeners need to know,
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Speaker 1: was you got Steven. I mean, let's let's not act
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Speaker 1: like a lot of these cases. You didn't get the
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Speaker 1: first call, and you say, Steve, we better get on this.
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Speaker 1: And then you started with your own media platform. You
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Speaker 1: were my link because you know Steve is all over
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Speaker 1: the place as you were, but you would call me
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Speaker 1: right back. But he said wherever wouldn't call me if
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Speaker 1: it wasn't important, and h we beat the drums and
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Speaker 1: we put ten thousand people in in Sandford. And it
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Speaker 1: happened to be when I was getting ready to get
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Speaker 1: on the plane hit the Orlando that day because I
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Speaker 1: flew the Atlanta to drive to Sanford. I got to work,
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Speaker 1: my mother died, who had been to sick and I
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Speaker 1: went anyway because I felt my mother would have wanted
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Speaker 1: me to do that, and I did, and we got
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Speaker 1: enough people to where they felt the pressure. They arrested
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Speaker 1: Zimmerman as he went on a few months later went
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Speaker 1: on to trial. As you know, he was acquitted. That night,
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Speaker 1: three young ladies sat out and wrote the hashtag lives matter,
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Speaker 1: and uh it blew up and became a theme, and
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Speaker 1: it went through a lot of the protests around Trayvon
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Speaker 1: all the way in Eric Gardner and Michael Brown in
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Speaker 1: uh in Ferguson, Missouri, and then a kind of law
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Speaker 1: for a minute, and then it picked back up when
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Speaker 1: we started shooting a rash of other cases. So to
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Speaker 1: say that they are terrorists, you know, these were three
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Speaker 1: brilliant sisters that captured a phrase that captured exactly how
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Speaker 1: we all felt that we didn't matter. You can shoot
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Speaker 1: a kid with a make believe security guard, he wasn't
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Speaker 1: even that and quit him. We matter, And it wasn't
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Speaker 1: saying others didn't matter. It was saying that you act
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Speaker 1: like we don't matter, and we're affirming that we do.
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Speaker 1: You get in life which you affirm yourself to be.
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Speaker 1: And I think that that movement grew. They formed some
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Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter organizations. They worked along in many cases
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Speaker 1: with other groups. In some cases they didn't. The three
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Speaker 1: sisters worked very closely with us in national Actually they're
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Speaker 1: working other groups. And there's always been like that, as
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Speaker 1: you know, And back in the days when you and
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Speaker 1: our kids and they had then a CP you had
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Speaker 1: Dr King, you had uh Care, But then you also
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Speaker 1: had Malcolm X and you also had the students sitting
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Speaker 1: there that King in, sitting on a lunch cot or
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Speaker 1: ride a bus. So I think a lot of the
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Speaker 1: media are lazy and don't deal with the fact that
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Speaker 1: we're not looking at anything different. There are different ways
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Speaker 1: that people expressed their outrage, but all of us are
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Speaker 1: trying to fight for change. Black Lives Matter is not terrorists.
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Speaker 1: They're trying to stop the terrorism. When police can shoot
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Speaker 1: a man in his back running away from them, as
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Speaker 1: the case in Kenosha, uh and and when police can
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Speaker 1: shoot a man at Wendy's that is intoxicated, uh and
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Speaker 1: and and he's running away, that's terrorism. So how do
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Speaker 1: they call that terrorism? And and and not and call
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Speaker 1: those that are peacefully protested, many of them white Black
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Speaker 1: Lives Matter? How does that become terrorists? We know then
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Speaker 1: they don't speaking of that, because that's that's the part
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Speaker 1: that really changed for me, was the white participation in
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Speaker 1: the protests because of the fact that you know, we
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Speaker 1: all know there was a scheme out there to make
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Speaker 1: it a black violent crime situation. Don't trust black people.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna tear up your neighborhoods and create white fear.
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Speaker 1: But in this particular movement, after the George Floyd, white
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Speaker 1: people were watching and not just a few white people
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Speaker 1: were watching. I watched TV and I just see white
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Speaker 1: people just walked up my screen on television, then a
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Speaker 1: black person, then more white people deal a black person.
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Speaker 1: What do you why do you feel that has been
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Speaker 1: a tremendous up swell and white people being angry, being
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Speaker 1: an or being upset because we know it's white people important.
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Speaker 1: We know it's white people in Seattle. There's not black
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Speaker 1: people up there. That's right, that's right. Well, let me
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Speaker 1: say this. I think what happened was because the George
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Speaker 1: Floyd video came out during the pandemic. Everyone was shut
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Speaker 1: down and couldn't go out. There was no distractions. As
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Speaker 1: she turned on the TV, people were watching the news
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Speaker 1: trying to get the update on the pandemic. When will
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Speaker 1: this break? When can I go out? When can I
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Speaker 1: go to work? And then watching the news they had
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Speaker 1: no distractions because she couldn't watch the ball game because
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Speaker 1: there was no ball games. There's no baseball, no basketball,
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Speaker 1: nor anything. And I think this is the first time
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Speaker 1: that the whole country was locked into having to watch
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Speaker 1: this video over and over again on the news, and
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Speaker 1: a lot of whites just said this is outrageous and exploded.
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Speaker 1: So many of the whites that didn't see the video
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Speaker 1: tape on Ari Gando when he died from a trokell
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Speaker 1: from a New York City policeman, they saw what happened
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Speaker 1: to uh, George Floyd. And then when they when you
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Speaker 1: emphasize to them that this man, the policeman had his
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Speaker 1: knee on his neck eight minutes and forty one seconds,
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Speaker 1: they would say, wait a minute, that's just beyond the pale.
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Speaker 1: Which is why when I did the unergy in Minneapolis
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Speaker 1: or for George Floyd's family, I asked everybody to stand up,
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Speaker 1: and people all over that were watching, even all over
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Speaker 1: the country, people stood up. I got all kinds of
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Speaker 1: tweet says, I really didn't get it till you told
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Speaker 1: me to stand up, because after three minutes I was tired.
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Speaker 1: How do you have that kind of vigor and rage?
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Speaker 1: To hold your knee on somebody's neck that's pulsating and
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Speaker 1: begging for their life unless you have a whole lot
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Speaker 1: of venom in you. And I think it was the
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Speaker 1: graphic of eight minutes and forty one second and the
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Speaker 1: fact that everybody saw it that ignited a lot of whites.
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Speaker 1: I went to matches where there were more white stin
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Speaker 1: blacks right then, and I think that that's what happened.
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Speaker 1: And I think that's a good thing. So they can't
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Speaker 1: pigeonhold it. He's just angry blacks. It's angry Americans saying
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Speaker 1: that we have to do something about bad cops. And
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Speaker 1: good cops are to be wanting to see something bad
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Speaker 1: about bad cops because it makes them look bad. It
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Speaker 1: really does. I'm talking to Reverend Shopping his new book
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Speaker 1: Rise Up, Confronting the Country at the Crossroads Wherever. Now.
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Speaker 1: I'm just reggorr book and it's a great reader. I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna just call out some really great line liners and
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Speaker 1: moments in the book that that I want you to
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Speaker 1: respond to. One of my favorite lines in the book
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Speaker 1: is if if don kid was born white, he will
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Speaker 1: be Trump. Yeah, DoD Kids, who you and I know
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Speaker 1: is a great promoter. That's what he is. He doesn't
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Speaker 1: profess to me a political leader, consensus leader. He promotes,
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Speaker 1: he sells his promotion. That's who Don Ken don don
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is the same. He's a promoter. The man
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Speaker 1: UH does not have a political ideology, does not have
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Speaker 1: a real philosophy. His thing is he promotes what works.
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Speaker 1: And racism worked for him. Birtherism is how he started
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Speaker 1: his political career, saying the president of the United States
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Speaker 1: was not really one of us. And when he saw
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Speaker 1: that work, he therefore leading and used that. And they's
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Speaker 1: been using racial language and and and racial leadings ever since.
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Speaker 1: And I told him in our last UH meeting that
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Speaker 1: because he's saying, why are you calling me a racist?
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Speaker 1: Because if you're comfortable with racism, you've got to have
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Speaker 1: racism in you, because there's things that you and I
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Speaker 1: would just not be comfortable if I don't care how
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Speaker 1: much he was working for us. And that's where I
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Speaker 1: made that assercition. He's a promoter. He's not a thinker,
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Speaker 1: he's not a doer. He's a promoter, and he uses
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Speaker 1: whatever works. You know, it's really absolutely the truth, all right,
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Speaker 1: I learned, you know, like I said, I was called
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Speaker 1: off first of all, called off guard when he one.
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Speaker 1: I voted against him, but I still was called off
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Speaker 1: guard when the one. And then when you look at
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Speaker 1: his game plan, he is a like you said in
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Speaker 1: your book, he's a he's a uh, he's a guy
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Speaker 1: theorist about comparracity, conspiracy theorists. You know, he sits around
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Speaker 1: when I when I read last week where he fought,
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Speaker 1: he he he tweeted forty times, forty times in a period.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, who does that? You do social media?
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Speaker 1: Not do social media? Can we casual social media? It's tiring.
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Speaker 1: I'm just stilling about. It's tiring to post, it's tiring
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Speaker 1: to come up with ideas to say in social media.
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Speaker 1: To do it for forty times right now, that's really
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Speaker 1: really ridiculous, And it suggests you if he's supposed to
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Speaker 1: be the head of the free world, how do you
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Speaker 1: even have time to do that forty times? But that's
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Speaker 1: who he is, that's where his focus is. That's where
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Speaker 1: his priority is to promo old and he uses social
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Speaker 1: media to do it, and he uses television to do it.
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Speaker 1: And as he said, I was surprised when he won.
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Speaker 1: But the way he was able to manipulate the media.
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Speaker 1: He was rolling over in the bed calling TV shows
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Speaker 1: and they put them on the air, and he he
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Speaker 1: got tons of free media, like he's doing with Fox
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Speaker 1: News now right now. You don't even have to come
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Speaker 1: in the studio. They don't have to set up the zoom.
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Speaker 1: He just talks and they let him go. And that's
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Speaker 1: a promoter, but it's dangerous for the future of the country.
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Speaker 1: You have to ask yourself when I say he has
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Speaker 1: no philosophy, and and you reiterated that your shows about
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Speaker 1: how people can really be entrepreneurs or make their ends
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Speaker 1: meet whatever level they want in terms of money, what
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Speaker 1: is his economic policy. I do not know a black
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Speaker 1: businessman in New York that ever got a major contract
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Speaker 1: from the Trump organization. So when he says the blacks, uh,
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Speaker 1: he worked with me. The only record we have of
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Speaker 1: him as a businessman. I don't know a big black
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Speaker 1: firm or small one they could say I was able
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Speaker 1: to expand my business and get a major contract through
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. It takes effort to get in New York,
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Speaker 1: as you know, and do business and never do business
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Speaker 1: with blacks or Latinos. It takes effort effort because we
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Speaker 1: wanted were there's too many of us. First of all,
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Speaker 1: especially when you go to the boroughs. It's if we
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Speaker 1: just populate. And I've always said that the five boroughs
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Speaker 1: and each one of the five boroughs have more Black
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Speaker 1: people than most major cities in the United States. So
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Speaker 1: trying avard the black person, and then when you include
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Speaker 1: the latinos, it's ridiculous when you say you can't do business.
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Speaker 1: It was just like, you know, the CEO of Wells Fargo,
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Speaker 1: so he can't five qualify black people to work for him.
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Speaker 1: When people can make these statements, they make these statements
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Speaker 1: because guess what, they don't want to associate themselves or
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Speaker 1: accept the fact that we compete. And when I look
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Speaker 1: at you and I've been blessed to you know no, no, uh,
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Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson, I know you for long time being associated
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Speaker 1: with we've sat down a very intimate situation and trying
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Speaker 1: to motivate black people with information. And that's what you've
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Speaker 1: all been about me with information. That's why I've always
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Speaker 1: returned your phone call so quickly because he called him
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Speaker 1: me he needs something and they need something. I gotta
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Speaker 1: be there to assist. Now I had the start of
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Speaker 1: the interview, I talked about the movements that you've been
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Speaker 1: involved with, most notably since in eighteen eighty four. The movements,
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Speaker 1: the marches, the marches, the marches, the marches are such
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Speaker 1: a dominant arch right now, and what we're doing and
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Speaker 1: going on right now, they just don't report them anymore.
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Speaker 1: People are still marching in this country. There's just marching.
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Speaker 1: This is not reporting it. But people are still marching
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Speaker 1: because of the fact that that Donald Trump was making
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Speaker 1: it a political issue. But now he realized it doesn't work.
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Speaker 1: Guess what, He's backed off, like they're not happening anymore,
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Speaker 1: you know, But not saying anything about those same guys
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Speaker 1: who went up to the in Michigan who tried to
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Speaker 1: kidnap and possibly kill the governor, or the same idiots
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Speaker 1: in march who he said, liberate Michigan, he could he helped,
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Speaker 1: who put some or some gangs on the fire. And
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Speaker 1: these guys, that's carrist Why he calling them terror? Why
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Speaker 1: isn't he calling them out and these guys. Can you
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Speaker 1: imagine if some black guys talked about kidnapping a governor
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Speaker 1: or any Latinos or the Mexicans or Muslims, he would
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Speaker 1: have been going bananas. He just spent out every National
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Speaker 1: Guard he could. But these are white. He has nothing
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Speaker 1: to say, hasn't announced it. And they literally were talking
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Speaker 1: about studying a civil war and it's absolutely And some
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Speaker 1: of them really didn't care about him, you know, they
19:40
Speaker 1: were just anti governor, and that's why government. So that's
19:43
Speaker 1: why it's really crazy when you realize that the people
19:45
Speaker 1: you're trying to motivate are really anti you and anti
19:48
Speaker 1: government and really are terrorists just like you said, they're
19:51
Speaker 1: domestic terrorists. And he's not even acknowledging that, and nor
19:55
Speaker 1: is Mike Pitts either. And that's the information I just
19:57
Speaker 1: try to deliver on my show. It's an entrepreneurs show.
20:00
Speaker 1: But guess what what they're doing in the White House
20:02
Speaker 1: affects us. What they're doing in the right affect us
20:04
Speaker 1: as black people with the COVID eighteen because we're overtly
20:06
Speaker 1: affected by the the way we eat, through our lifestyles,
20:11
Speaker 1: all that by our finances are being affected by COVID
20:14
Speaker 1: eighteen and the financial packages that they failed to approve.
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Speaker 1: When you look at all this happened in and you've
20:21
Speaker 1: not been around a long time for ever. Now, what
20:24
Speaker 1: is your fear take on this? What is our future?
20:27
Speaker 1: And how important is November thirty for everybody to get
20:29
Speaker 1: out and vote. Our future is in our hands. We
20:33
Speaker 1: have the numbers if we come out and vote in
20:36
Speaker 1: these various states. UH to turn this around, and not
20:40
Speaker 1: for Joe Biden, but for us. We can't afford to
20:44
Speaker 1: lose the affordable care and we can't afford to lose
20:47
Speaker 1: the voting rights which in many states they have changed
20:51
Speaker 1: the voting laws and we need the Voting Rights Act
20:55
Speaker 1: could be empowered more with the John Lewis Vote Rights
21:00
Speaker 1: Bill that has passed the House of Representatives but has
21:03
Speaker 1: not even been been put in front of the Senate
21:06
Speaker 1: because McConnell will not put it up. But if the
21:11
Speaker 1: majority of the Senate changes the Democrat, it won't be
21:14
Speaker 1: up to McConnell, be up to the new majority leader
21:17
Speaker 1: would probably be Chuck Schumer. We cannot afford for them
21:21
Speaker 1: to turn back affirmative action that's going in front of
21:24
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. Uh. So, these all of these issues
21:28
Speaker 1: say that we have got to stand up and take
21:32
Speaker 1: our feature and magic is not gonna bring us a
21:35
Speaker 1: reverse and liberation. We've got to do the work. God
21:40
Speaker 1: is not gonna come and do it. God has given
21:42
Speaker 1: us the strength to do it. And we've got to
21:44
Speaker 1: vote that our forefathers, who had faith in God for
21:48
Speaker 1: to get us. We need to use it in a
21:50
Speaker 1: mass way. And as you said, it is related to
21:55
Speaker 1: entrepreneurship and business. But God called me one day on
21:58
Speaker 1: the show my radio or and said, well, Remnune, I
22:01
Speaker 1: ain't in the politics. I want to go in business,
22:04
Speaker 1: I said, But you can't go in business without dealing
22:06
Speaker 1: with the political reality. Where you want to set up
22:09
Speaker 1: your store is a zoning board decides whether it can
22:13
Speaker 1: be a business, their commercial or whether it's residential. That's political.
22:18
Speaker 1: Or the regulations you're gonna have to follow is decided
22:21
Speaker 1: by regulators. That's political. Everything you do, how you bank,
22:25
Speaker 1: what the interest rates, so all of that is political.
22:28
Speaker 1: So you can't run from it in the name of
22:30
Speaker 1: I'm in business, I'm not in politics. To be in
22:33
Speaker 1: business is to have to engage in who makes the
22:36
Speaker 1: political decisions. That's why you should at least vote to
22:40
Speaker 1: make sure you have the people in there are sensitive
22:42
Speaker 1: to your issues and your interests. It's that's what a
22:45
Speaker 1: powerful statement, and that's what y'all tell. But people, you
22:47
Speaker 1: can't have a closed minded approach to it doesn't bother me,
22:50
Speaker 1: it's not affecting me. It's not in my neighborhood. That's
22:53
Speaker 1: them and them look like you. You can't talk like
22:55
Speaker 1: that because eventually I always tell people they pulled towards
22:59
Speaker 1: flat out of them and say he's been okay. That's
23:01
Speaker 1: what I tell people all the time. Remember the car
23:03
Speaker 1: he got pulled out of. It wasn't a jelappe. He
23:05
Speaker 1: wasn't on the side of the street looking homeless. They
23:07
Speaker 1: pulled him out of Mercedes Ben and Stay. And so
23:10
Speaker 1: that means that economic structure means nothing to people who
23:13
Speaker 1: devalue you because of your color or you as a
23:16
Speaker 1: human being. But when I was reading the book, or
23:18
Speaker 1: you know, your book rides up, um, what compelled you
23:22
Speaker 1: write the book, because there's so many layers that talks
23:24
Speaker 1: about you know, four years old, when you started your
23:26
Speaker 1: James Brown experience and what he taught you, and and
23:29
Speaker 1: the and the one of my favorite lines in there
23:31
Speaker 1: is like in my life, I run with dreamers and schemers.
23:34
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King, Jr. Nelson, Mandela and John Lewis are
23:37
Speaker 1: dreamers Roger Stone, Don King and Donald Trump or schemers.
23:41
Speaker 1: And then I added this line, good out runs bad
23:45
Speaker 1: only if you stay the course. That's your line. I
23:48
Speaker 1: just put it together because that is absolutely the truth
23:51
Speaker 1: what we're talking about right now with this election. Good
23:54
Speaker 1: out runs bad if we stay the course and vote
23:57
Speaker 1: because too many schemers win. We're letting two minutes schemers win.
24:01
Speaker 1: That's that's right, and we let them win because we
24:05
Speaker 1: don't do our best. We don't stay committed and dedicated
24:09
Speaker 1: and discipline. But if you stay the cost, no matter what,
24:13
Speaker 1: there is going to be a win. There is always
24:16
Speaker 1: light at the end of the tunnel if you don't
24:19
Speaker 1: give up little way to the tunnel. And you just
24:21
Speaker 1: got to keep going. And one of the great things
24:23
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring out in the book was that
24:25
Speaker 1: you brought out the book because of the fact that, well,
24:28
Speaker 1: did you write the book or you have a ghost writer?
24:30
Speaker 1: How did you how I wrote fantastic, fantastic Mike Eric Dyson.
24:35
Speaker 1: Now he puts some pay he putsn't working that uh
24:38
Speaker 1: that forward, Now he puts the word forward. And because
24:42
Speaker 1: of the fact that he told me some things, he
24:44
Speaker 1: gott be excited about the book Michael Eric and I went, wow,
24:46
Speaker 1: this is powerful stuff. When I went into the book,
24:48
Speaker 1: I went, wow, this is really the things I didn't
24:50
Speaker 1: know about you. And one of the things that was
24:52
Speaker 1: compelling to me was the fact that the gold medal
24:55
Speaker 1: you wear around your neck is not jewelry. Tell everybody
24:57
Speaker 1: about it, you know, the Lord what. I were there
25:00
Speaker 1: the march that you mentioned in Howard Beach in the
25:03
Speaker 1: eight six where we were marching, about three black young
25:09
Speaker 1: men were attacked for being in the Howard Beach section
25:12
Speaker 1: of Queens, New York, which was mob dominated at that time. Uh,
25:17
Speaker 1: And we kept watching. We ended up getting three of
25:20
Speaker 1: those young men indicted for manslaughter. Jose Williams, who was
25:25
Speaker 1: one of Dr King's chief lieutenants years before, came to
25:30
Speaker 1: New York and he would give people the Martin Luther
25:34
Speaker 1: King medallion he had made to try to unite them.
25:37
Speaker 1: That you have worked in the spread of Dr King,
25:39
Speaker 1: who he worked with for so long. And uh. He
25:43
Speaker 1: came to the rally and hung out around my neck
25:46
Speaker 1: and it made me feel like if I was in
25:48
Speaker 1: the streets, it made you feel like a made man.
25:51
Speaker 1: He was one of the main elders of the movement
25:54
Speaker 1: that I had looked up to all my life, uniting
25:57
Speaker 1: me with this motel king mcdaine. I think I slept
26:00
Speaker 1: with him for three days, so I would wear it
26:02
Speaker 1: all the time because I was so honored by and
26:05
Speaker 1: the press with all him and in the day and
26:08
Speaker 1: even some black word he went jury for. It wasn't jury.
26:11
Speaker 1: It was an award from uh from Jove Williams. Now. Yeah,
26:16
Speaker 1: I wore track suits, but I was a young guy.
26:18
Speaker 1: That was what we wore in those days. DNC Curtis
26:24
Speaker 1: blow all of them. With my contemporaries. I grew up
26:27
Speaker 1: Spike Lee, Russell Smers, all of us was Brooklyn and Queen,
26:30
Speaker 1: same age group. We grew up together, and I dressed
26:33
Speaker 1: my age. I wasn't you know. Jesse was thirteen fourteen
26:36
Speaker 1: years older than me, and and John Lewis and then
26:39
Speaker 1: they were a generation ahead of me. I dressed like
26:41
Speaker 1: my generation, and uh so people made caricatures out of it,
26:46
Speaker 1: But I was just being me. And I talked about
26:48
Speaker 1: that in the book Be Yourself, Be Offended. You don't
26:51
Speaker 1: have to try and and and cramp your style or
26:54
Speaker 1: readjust your style, be you, because if you understand yourself
26:59
Speaker 1: value and have real self awareness. You can make it work,
27:02
Speaker 1: and you are making it work. And in closing, uh Reverney,
27:06
Speaker 1: how can one be an activist? You know, how can
27:09
Speaker 1: one use the media? And because that's important right now,
27:12
Speaker 1: because you've been doing it so long, you're you know,
27:14
Speaker 1: you've written a book on motivation, seeing us, seeing it through,
27:19
Speaker 1: you know, getting through the through, from the positive and
27:22
Speaker 1: from the negative to the positive. Talk about how can
27:25
Speaker 1: I be an activist? One can be an activist by
27:28
Speaker 1: first determining what it is you want to get done.
27:31
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be a huge march. It doesn't
27:33
Speaker 1: have to be uh, something everybody talks about. It could
27:37
Speaker 1: be I want to do something in my neighborhood, I
27:39
Speaker 1: want to do something in my church, something in my
27:42
Speaker 1: business or some of my workplace. Set a goal and
27:46
Speaker 1: then be determined to get that done and in your
27:50
Speaker 1: local or even bigger than that. Use the media to
27:53
Speaker 1: tell your story. Don't have the media be your goal,
27:57
Speaker 1: Have the media be your means to a goal. Martching
28:00
Speaker 1: doesn't solve a problem. Watching exposes a problem. But if
28:05
Speaker 1: somebody doesn't know how to expose the problem, you'll never
28:08
Speaker 1: force those in power to deal with it. As long
28:11
Speaker 1: as they can operate in the dark, they will continue
28:14
Speaker 1: to do whatever they want to do. But as soon
28:16
Speaker 1: as you put the light on something, everyone has to
28:19
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28:56
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28:59
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29:02
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29:05
Speaker 1: and you are definitely on that list. I appreciate it.
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