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Sham Hunter Indictment is ALL about Protecting Joe Biden · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome.
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Speaker 2: It's Verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you
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Speaker 2: and Senator. We've got a lot to talk about tonight,
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Speaker 2: including Hunter Biden's not shocking indictment at all and the
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Speaker 2: media acting like this is a big deal when it's
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Speaker 2: clearly not. It's the fixes already in. Plus, we've got
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Speaker 2: a new update on Joe biden impeachment and his own
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Speaker 2: words coming back to haunt him in a big way.
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Speaker 2: But first, Center, let's walk through this indictment. This is
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Speaker 2: a big nothing burger. In my opinion, they've in died
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Speaker 2: him on the federal gun charges. This insulates the president,
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Speaker 2: It protects the big guy. It focuses on crimes that
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Speaker 2: are completely limited to Hunter Biden and no one else.
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Speaker 2: In all the big crimes they could have charged them
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Speaker 2: with today, they still have not done it.
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Speaker 1: This is a fix. Do you agree?
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Speaker 3: Sadly, I do, And we predicted this over a year
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Speaker 3: ago on this podcast. We talked about how the investigation
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Speaker 3: into the bidens if at the end of the day,
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Speaker 3: the indictment that came in was a personal offense limit
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Speaker 3: to Hunter Biden, if it was a drug offense, if
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Speaker 3: it was a gun offense, if it was a personal
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Speaker 3: tax offense that was limited to Hunter himself, then that
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Speaker 3: was by design. That was by design to insulate Joe Biden.
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Speaker 3: It's worth underscoring. We've said it before, but we cannot
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Speaker 3: forget this is not about Hunter Biden. If his name
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Speaker 3: was Hunter Smith, if he was just some poor, sad
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Speaker 3: sack dealing with addiction and substance abuse, nobody would care.
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Speaker 3: It wouldn't be national news, it wouldn't be a matter
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Speaker 3: of public concern. The reason this matters is because there's
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Speaker 3: considerable evidence that Hunter Biden solicited and received tens of
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Speaker 3: millions of dollars from corrupt foreign players in exchange for
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Speaker 3: official favors from his dad, Joe Biden, now the President
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Speaker 3: of the United States. That's what matters. And so this
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Speaker 3: this indictment. We said a year ago, if they just
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Speaker 3: bring a gun crime, they're covering up for Joe. Now
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Speaker 3: they're three three indictments. They are three counts of the indictment.
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Speaker 3: Two counts are tied to Hunter Biden completing a form
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Speaker 3: indicating that he was not using illegal drugs when he
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Speaker 3: purchased a cult Cobra revolver in October of twenty eighteen.
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Speaker 3: And the third count alleges that he possessed a firearm
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Speaker 3: while using a narcotic. Now, those are crimes that I
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Speaker 3: think Hunter clearly committed. That there's very little material dispute
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Speaker 3: that he is guilty of those crimes. By the way,
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Speaker 3: those indictments could have been brought years ago. The evidence
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Speaker 3: was there has been there for years, and DOJ delayed
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Speaker 3: and delayed and Delayden de Layden delayed. And this is
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Speaker 3: all about insulating Joe Biden. Joe Biden does not bear
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Speaker 3: any liability for Hunter being on crack while he illegally
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Speaker 3: buys a gun. That's a bad development for Hunter. But
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Speaker 3: the purpose of this is to insulate the White House
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Speaker 3: and to let the Biden do OJ say, see we
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Speaker 3: indicted to Biden, aren't we tough? And they're deliberately carving
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Speaker 3: off and protecting Joe, who is the reason that the
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Speaker 3: public rightfully cares about this.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about the comparing contrast to the plea deal.
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Speaker 2: This is what he was gonna plead guilty to that
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Speaker 2: they're now charging him with.
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Speaker 1: How is this going to change?
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Speaker 2: I mean, is the fact that they've it's not in
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Speaker 2: a plea deal and they're gonna they they've charged him
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Speaker 2: and died on this federal gun charge. Does that change
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Speaker 2: the chances he might actually go to prison for any
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Speaker 2: amount of time?
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Speaker 3: It probably does.
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Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 3: But if you look at it, we look at the
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Speaker 3: evolution of this, we now know, and we've covered in
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Speaker 3: previous podcasts that the Biden do OJ was initially prepared
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Speaker 3: to have a plea deal where Hunter didn't have to
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Speaker 3: plead guilty to anything. He could just enter an agreement,
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Speaker 3: get not even a slap on the wrist, sort of
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Speaker 3: a wave over the hand and everything goes away, and
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Speaker 3: without even pleading guilty to anything. The Biden DOJ was
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Speaker 3: prepared to give him complete and total immunity for any
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Speaker 3: and all criminal conduct, especially especially especially the criminal conduct
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Speaker 3: that implicated his father, and that really, I believe was
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Speaker 3: the entire objective.
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Speaker 1: Of this whole thing.
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Speaker 3: Now, what happened to derail that plan when they announced
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Speaker 3: they were indicting Hunter.
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Speaker 1: That was the plan.
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Speaker 3: The Biden Department of Justice was obstructing the investigation that
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Speaker 3: Merrick Garland had lied under oath to Congress. And given that,
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Speaker 3: the heat ratcheted up and they said, Okay, you got
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Speaker 3: to plead guilty, but will still make it a slap
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Speaker 3: on the wrist, Hunter, You still don't have to serve
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Speaker 3: even a day, even a minute in jail. We'll make
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Speaker 3: it all magically go away. And the critical piece that
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Speaker 3: was added to this is and you get a get
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Speaker 3: out of jail free card for all corrupt activity for Ivory,
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Speaker 3: for everything that was done, selling access to Daddy, selling
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Speaker 3: favors from Daddy. All of that is exonerated when you
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Speaker 3: sign on to this agreement with no jail time. Now,
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Speaker 3: what happened then is the whistleblowers came and testified before Congress,
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Speaker 3: and the global attention on this ratcheted up considerably, and
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Speaker 3: so suddenly they went before the federal district judge and
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Speaker 3: the judge asked, DOJ, so are you saying that everything
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Speaker 3: else Hunter's done? And mind you, the House representatives filed
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Speaker 3: a brief of the district judge laying out all of
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Speaker 3: the evidence of Hunter's potential other criminal conduct, of Joe
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Speaker 3: Biden's criminal conduct, and the judge asked, DOJ are you
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Speaker 3: saying you're not going to prove, prosecute anything else other
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Speaker 3: than this these counts on which you're giving him a
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Speaker 3: slap on the wrist, And doj got really nervous and
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Speaker 3: they said no, no, no, we're not saying that well, and
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Speaker 3: I think they just they lost their nerve to give
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Speaker 3: Hunter and really to give Joe, because Joe is always
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Speaker 3: the beneficiary of this corruption to get out of jail
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Speaker 3: free pass. That's what led to the plea agreement falling apart.
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Speaker 3: I think this is the third iteration. And by the way,
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Speaker 3: we predicted this third iteration that they would come back
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Speaker 3: and they would indict Hunter. But again it's on the
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Speaker 3: personal crimes. And if there's not a plea agreement, I
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Speaker 3: think the odds are significantly higher that Hunter serves some
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Speaker 3: jail time.
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Speaker 1: But I also think.
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Speaker 2: Look like I mean we were talking a day or
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Speaker 2: two days, or three days or a month. I mean,
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Speaker 2: if they were willing to give him no jail time
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Speaker 2: before and now they charge him with us if he's
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Speaker 2: found guilty, how much does that come to the discretion
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Speaker 2: of the judge or their minimums are sensing guidelines here?
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Speaker 1: I mean, how concerned is he tonight?
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Speaker 2: Okay, wow, I may actually spend real time in jail.
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Speaker 3: Look, dealj wants to give him no jail time. They
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Speaker 3: wanted to give him a we doesn't even plead guilty
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Speaker 3: in anything. So this is not a true adversarial proceeding.
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Speaker 3: This is not a prosecutor who is seeking to hold
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Speaker 3: someone accountable. The reason Merrick Garland appointed David Wise as
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Speaker 3: special prosecutor is special counsel rather, is that he'd already
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Speaker 3: demonstrated that he was willing to obstruct justice and cover
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Speaker 3: up Joe Biden. That's the objective here, and so the
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Speaker 3: small level objective with this case. I think this case
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Speaker 3: probably gets resolved of the plea deal as well, and
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Speaker 3: the plea deal may require Hunter to serve six months
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Speaker 3: in jail. I think that's a real possibility, and they
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Speaker 3: may get nervous about having a commitment we will not
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Speaker 3: investigate anything else. Now, mind you, they intend not to
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Speaker 3: investigate anything else. And it wouldn't surprise me at all
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Speaker 3: to see THEOJ Yeah, to see doj say privately, look, wink, wink, nudge, nudge,
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Speaker 3: we're not going to invest at anything else. But we
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Speaker 3: can't say that in open court because it makes us
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Speaker 3: look like completely partisan, corrupted, compromised hacks. And it may
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Speaker 3: be that Biden's lawyers take that and that he serves
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Speaker 3: some time in jail. We do seem to have seen
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Speaker 3: some movement among Democrats among the press where they've decided
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Speaker 3: throw Hunter overboard a little bit in order to protect Joe.
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Speaker 3: It's why the last podcast on Wednesday, and by the way,
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Speaker 3: if you did not listen to Wednesday's podcast, you should
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Speaker 3: go back and listen to it. It was really important
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Speaker 3: explanation on the impeachment of Joe Biden. Why the Democrats
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Speaker 3: claim that there is no direct evidence of Joe's involvement
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Speaker 3: as corruption is a flat out lie, and we walked
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Speaker 3: through it chapter and verse on Wednesday's podcast. The fact
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Speaker 3: that they have shifted their defense to saying there's no
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Speaker 3: direct evidence of Joe's involvement in the hates that they've
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Speaker 3: collectively decided to cut bait and throw Hunter to some
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Speaker 3: extent to the Wolves. Now, I suspect Joe is still
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Speaker 3: not entirely comfortable with Hunter serving ten years. But at
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Speaker 3: this point I think the most likely outcome, absent enormous
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Speaker 3: public pressure, is Hunter pleads guilty to these charges, serves
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Speaker 3: some minimal jail time six months to a year, these
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Speaker 3: charges go away, and the investigation and everything else just
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Speaker 3: quietly disappears. Doj doesn't admit in court, they're not going
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Speaker 3: to investigate it. They simply say nothing else, and actually
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Speaker 3: that then serves as a shield for DOJ. When Merrick
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Speaker 3: Garland or anyone else from the Department of Justice is
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Speaker 3: brought before Congress, their response will be when asked about Hunter,
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Speaker 3: it's still an ongoing investigation, I'm sorry, we can't tell
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Speaker 3: you anything. When they have, I belie leave zero intention
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Speaker 3: to investigate the claims of bribery and corrupt selling of
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Speaker 3: official favors from Joe Biden because the Department of Justice
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Speaker 3: wants to protect Joe Biden above all else.
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Speaker 2: Senator, it's also very interesting to see how the media
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Speaker 2: is covering this story, and I want to get into
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Speaker 2: is they were breaking the news on the Hunter Biden
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Speaker 2: indictment on the federal gun charge, and they're trying to
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Speaker 2: turn this into a very big deal. Well at the
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Speaker 2: same time, the media, then an hour later is trying
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Speaker 2: to tell you that the case against Hunter Biden is
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Speaker 2: actually really weak.
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Speaker 5: Breaking news.
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Speaker 6: Now we have just learned and we just got the
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Speaker 6: paperwork that Hunter Biden, the President's son, has been indicted
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Speaker 6: for lying when buying a gun. I want to bring
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Speaker 6: an NBC's Garrett. Hey, Garrett, what can you tell us.
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Speaker 7: Well, Chris, this indictment just unsealed in Delaware charges Hunter
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Speaker 7: Biden with three counts, all related to that gun purchase.
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Speaker 7: It describes two counts of knowingly making a false or
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Speaker 7: fictitious statement when purchasing a gun, basically accusing him of
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Speaker 7: lying about being addicted to drugs at the time he
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Speaker 7: was purchasing this weapon pistol in October of twenty eighteen,
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Speaker 7: and the third count is that he did knowingly possess
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Speaker 7: that same firearm while essentially while being addicted to a
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Speaker 7: controlled substance. So these are counts that were all thought
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Speaker 7: to have been dealt with in that plea deal that
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Speaker 7: fell apart a couple of months ago, kicking things back
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Speaker 7: to the US Attorney. Now special Council whis handling this
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Speaker 7: in Delaware, a former US attorney in the district of Delaware. Again,
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Speaker 7: this indictment on Field, dealing only with the gun and
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Speaker 7: drug charges. I think it's reasonable to presume we have
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Speaker 7: not heard the last of charges against the President's son,
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Speaker 7: given the scope of what was originally in front of
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Speaker 7: the US Attorney and then kind of fallen apart back
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Speaker 7: to the drawing board to bring forward these counts.
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Speaker 2: Now, by the way you said it fell apart, that's
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Speaker 2: not true. And then MS tries to tell you that
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Speaker 2: they don't think we've heard the last of the indictments.
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Speaker 1: I don't believe that, do you.
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Speaker 8: No, No, Look, this is designed to end the matter.
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Speaker 8: That's what the Biden Department of Justice wants. They want
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Speaker 8: to say we indicted him. They want to get a conviction,
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Speaker 8: and I think the conviction is likely. I don't think
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Speaker 8: the Biden team is going to try this. They may
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Speaker 8: try to do some pre trial motions and some procedural delays,
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Speaker 8: but I don't think they're going to want to take
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Speaker 8: this to a jury, so I think it's likely to
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Speaker 8: be resolved with a plea deal, and the plea deal,
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Speaker 8: in all likelihood will end up slightly stouter than the
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Speaker 8: slap on the wrists that they tried the second time.
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Speaker 8: But the purpose of this, and we predicted this a
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Speaker 8: year ago, this is not new. It's not surprising. The
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Speaker 8: purpose of this is to put to rest all of
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Speaker 8: the allegations of corruption against Joe Biden because the Biden
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Speaker 8: DOJ is looking to an election coming up November of
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Speaker 8: next year, and by the way, they're busy inditing Donald Trump,
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Speaker 8: which is also looking to an election coming up next year,
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Speaker 8: and when it comes to election interference, We've never seen
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Speaker 8: a Department of Justice behave like Merrick Garland and this
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Speaker 8: profoundly politicized Department of Justice.
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Speaker 2: Now this case, by the way they have brought against him,
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of evidence that was from that laptop
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Speaker 2: from Hell and the and the pictures and the drug use.
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Speaker 2: I would argue it's probably a very strong case for
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Speaker 2: there to be a conviction against Hunter Biden.
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Speaker 1: If you look at the evidence.
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Speaker 2: Yet CNN just barely an hour after this indictment comes out,
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Speaker 2: they start carrying water for Hunter Biden.
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Speaker 1: And this is what they said, calling it a weak case.
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Speaker 9: Jations of politics is right, often coming from the former
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Speaker 9: president himself in terms of what they say is to
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Speaker 9: to your justice system. But here you have it, as
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Speaker 9: we noted, first time in US history the son of
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Speaker 9: a president has been charged by the Justice Department. Kris Canal,
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Speaker 9: thanks so much. Going to turn it over to Borius
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Speaker 9: for some legal analysis.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, let's chat with seeing and legal analyst Jennifer Rogers.
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Speaker 10: Jennifer, obviously, again, this is a historic moment, the first
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Speaker 10: time DOJ has charged the son of a sitting president.
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Speaker 1: Your reaction to the news.
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Speaker 11: Well, Wars, I really think, you know, the first time
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Speaker 11: we had a charge against to former president, it was
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Speaker 11: important that prosecutors really took their time and built strong
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Speaker 11: cases based on compelling evidence. And I'm afraid the prosecutors
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Speaker 11: have not done that here. I certainly, if I were
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Speaker 11: making history, would not want to make it with this
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Speaker 11: set of facts and these laws. I think that this
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Speaker 11: case is weak. It's very, very rarely charged. This section
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Speaker 11: on being an addict in possession of a weapon. So
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Speaker 11: I think they have a lot of problems, both on
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Speaker 11: the factual side, which is why it's very rarely charged,
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Speaker 11: and on the legal side. After the Supreme Court's decision
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Speaker 11: in the Bruin case on the Second Amendment, a lot
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Speaker 11: of legal observers think that all these gun possession statutes
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Speaker 11: are in jeopardy. And we know that Hunter Biden's lawyers
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Speaker 11: will fight vigorously on the legal front, saying that after
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Speaker 11: the Supreme Court's decision that this conviction could not stand.
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Speaker 11: So I think they've got a lot of trouble here ahead,
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Speaker 11: and we'll see how it plays out. But I think
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Speaker 11: it's inadvisable, Sinner.
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Speaker 2: When I heard this, I was dying to get your reaction,
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Speaker 2: because they're now telling you this case is so weak.
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Speaker 2: This is a dumb case to even bring up, even
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Speaker 2: though they're willing to do a plea deal on the
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Speaker 2: same case that got then blown up.
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Speaker 1: So which one is it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, Connor has already agreed to plead guilty to
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Speaker 3: these counts, so oddly enough, CNN, you know, I don't
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Speaker 3: know who that quote legal analyst is, but you could
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Speaker 3: have just called her a Democratic Party shill because she says, well,
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Speaker 3: first of all, the case against Donald Trump is incredibly strong.
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Speaker 3: It is meticulously researched. It is oh oh so powerful.
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Speaker 3: What utter and complete garbage. The case against Trump is
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Speaker 3: a political hatchet job, and they may get a conviction
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Speaker 3: before a DC jury that is ninety plus percent Democrat.
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Speaker 3: But I think the chances of that conviction standing up
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Speaker 3: on appeal are minuscule. But of course CNN is so
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Speaker 3: called legal analyst, is not going to tell you that.
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Speaker 3: And as for the claim that this charge is weak, okay,
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Speaker 3: the critical elements are did he buy a gun, yes,
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Speaker 3: as far as I know, there's no dispute about it.
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Speaker 3: Was he a drug addict? Yes, and I'm not aware
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Speaker 3: of any meaningful dispute about it. The guy was dishonorably
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Speaker 3: discharged from the military for his drug addiction. He's wrestled
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Speaker 3: with drug addiction for years. We have pictures and video
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Speaker 3: of him using illegal drugs. Did he lie on the form,
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Speaker 3: which is a felony, Again, there's no dispute about it.
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Speaker 3: He clearly checked the box lying on the form. So
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Speaker 3: to say the case is weak, I don't even know
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Speaker 3: a factual claim. An element of the crime that is
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Speaker 3: in dispute. And her final point, well, after the Bruin case,
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Speaker 3: you know, any gun claim is legally dubious.
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Speaker 1: What nonsense.
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Speaker 12: No, it's not.
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Speaker 3: What is legally dubious is efforts from Democrats to restrict
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Speaker 3: the right to keep in bare arms of law abiding citizens.
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Speaker 3: There are, she says, lots of legal scholars doubt this
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Speaker 3: prevent No, that's not true. There have been laws in
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Speaker 3: the books for a long time prohibiting felons from possessing firearms.
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Speaker 3: I don't know of a single legal scholar who doubts
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Speaker 3: the validity of those provisions. This is part of that
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Speaker 3: same law that deals with people with serious drug addictions.
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Speaker 3: I again don't know of a legal scholar who challenges
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Speaker 3: those provisions. So her claim, Look, it's the typical leftist
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Speaker 3: claim that if a law abiding citizen has a right
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Speaker 3: to keep in bare arms, well that means everyone can
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Speaker 3: possess weapons. Let's just hand out hand out guns to
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Speaker 3: murderers in jail. It's like, no, No, that's not what
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Speaker 3: the Second Amendment says. That's not what it's ever been
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Speaker 3: understood to say. What the Second Amendment says is that
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Speaker 3: a law abiding citizen can defend himself, can defend his
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Speaker 3: or her family, can keep and bear arms. And so
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Speaker 3: I got to say, listening to it, there literally is
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Speaker 3: not a sentence in that so called legal analysis that
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Speaker 3: isn't us laughably false.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and they love to make up stuff, and
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Speaker 2: they do it every day, and even on the biggest
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Speaker 2: news days they'll come in with the propaganda just hours
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Speaker 2: afterwards to try to spend this in favor of the
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Speaker 2: Biden crime family.
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Speaker 1: I also want to move on to the.
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Speaker 3: Other begin and by the way, Ben, I want to
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Speaker 3: make clear that when I talk about what laws are
20:21
Speaker 3: in dispute or not, the first big seminal case from
20:27
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court establishing the individual right to keep in
20:31
Speaker 3: bear arms was Heller versus District of Columbia. I am
20:35
Speaker 3: very familiar with that case because I represented the State
20:39
Speaker 3: of Texas and thirty one other states in that case.
20:43
Speaker 3: I was part of the Supreme Court case that upheld
20:47
Speaker 3: the individual right to keep in bear arms and it
20:49
Speaker 3: was a it was a fundamental foundational case. Justice Scalia
20:54
Speaker 3: wrote the majority opinion. And I'll tell you what we
20:57
Speaker 3: said in our amicus brief on behalf of Texas and
20:59
Speaker 3: third one other States. We said, of course, the laws
21:03
Speaker 3: prohibiting felons from being in possession of firearms are legal
21:07
Speaker 3: and constitutional. What government cannot do is stripped the right
21:11
Speaker 3: to keep in bare arms from law abiding citizens. So
21:14
Speaker 3: she claims lots of people dispute that with no apparent
21:19
Speaker 3: awareness of what actually is are the underlying arguments concerning
21:24
Speaker 3: the constitutional right.
21:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, great point there. I want to move to the
21:28
Speaker 2: impeachment update. There was some very interesting fodder from James Carvill.
21:34
Speaker 2: If you don't know James Carville, I'll just remind you
21:36
Speaker 2: he's a.
21:39
Speaker 1: On the left.
21:39
Speaker 2: They would refer to him as a brilliant political mind,
21:42
Speaker 2: a mastermind behind the Bill Clinton days. He is on
21:45
Speaker 2: TV a lot, talking on MSNBC in other places about.
21:49
Speaker 1: The Democratic Party.
21:51
Speaker 2: He was on CNN and he had this to say
21:55
Speaker 2: about the impeachment inquiry.
21:57
Speaker 1: Moving forward on the House side, take a look.
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Speaker 13: What do you make of how the White House has
22:02
Speaker 13: been handling it so far? Do you think they're being
22:05
Speaker 13: aggressive enough or should there be a war room, should
22:07
Speaker 13: there be a more outfront effort from them?
22:11
Speaker 4: Well, my honest opinion is the people they have leading
22:14
Speaker 4: it are not very smart, and in fact they borderline stupid.
22:17
Speaker 4: I mean James Comber or Jim Jordan and the people
22:21
Speaker 4: in the House that are going to be on this
22:23
Speaker 4: committee like Dan Goldman, Delica Plasciat I think is from
22:28
Speaker 4: from Virgin Islands, Jamie ra Askin. These are very smart people.
22:33
Speaker 4: I don't think the White House needs to worry too
22:36
Speaker 4: much about this and left these congressional Democrats who are
22:39
Speaker 4: a whip smart are just going to eat these people alive.
22:42
Speaker 4: I so want them to do this. I can't tell
22:46
Speaker 4: you how much I want them to do this.
22:49
Speaker 13: This is a very you want them to do the impeachment?
22:51
Speaker 9: What do you mean?
22:52
Speaker 4: I want them to hole hearings?
22:54
Speaker 13: Why do you think it's whole hearing?
22:56
Speaker 4: And I want I want to and I want to
22:59
Speaker 4: let people the American public see how then how nonexistent
23:04
Speaker 4: a case is present, did anything wrong? And I want
23:07
Speaker 4: our people, who are quite effective lawyers to get them
23:10
Speaker 4: on cross examination and do what they're gonna do and
23:12
Speaker 4: make foods out of them.
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Speaker 1: Senator, this is a new strategy.
23:17
Speaker 2: I'll give James, I'll give I'll give them a little
23:19
Speaker 2: credit here, James Carvill's you know, it's a new strategy
23:23
Speaker 2: to say that two of the most brilliant minds in
23:25
Speaker 2: the house are idiots, right, Jesus, James Comer and Jim Jordan.
23:29
Speaker 2: We've had them both on this show for multiple multi
23:32
Speaker 2: part series. You should go back and listen to it
23:34
Speaker 2: if you haven't heard what they said. But to say
23:36
Speaker 2: that they're idiots and that you think that your team's
23:39
Speaker 2: going to mop the floor with them, if this is
23:41
Speaker 2: their true strategy, this could be really bad for the president.
23:45
Speaker 8: Well, listen.
23:46
Speaker 3: James Carville is one of the most talented Democrat strategists
23:51
Speaker 3: that that therey is. He was the person responsible for
23:54
Speaker 3: Bill Clinton's election, most responsible. He's the person most famously
23:59
Speaker 3: associated with the phrase it's the economy stupid, which was
24:03
Speaker 3: right behind Bill Clinton beating George Herbert Walker Bush and
24:07
Speaker 3: getting elected president in the first place. And so Carvel
24:12
Speaker 3: is a smart guy. But I got to say what
24:14
Speaker 3: he just said on CNN is shockingly foolish and demonstrably wrong.
24:21
Speaker 8: Number one.
24:23
Speaker 3: To claim that James Comer and Jim Jordan are stupid
24:26
Speaker 3: as he did is laughable. And let me ask our verdict. Listeners,
24:31
Speaker 3: go back and listen to the podcast. We did two
24:34
Speaker 3: podcasts with Jim Jordan. We did two podcasts with James Comer.
24:39
Speaker 3: Go listen to him, go assess it's a deep dive
24:42
Speaker 3: where you can hear them analyze the issues. That's just
24:45
Speaker 3: absurdly false. And then he says, oh, and the Democrats
24:49
Speaker 3: are suck good lawyers. He points to Dan Goldman. Now,
24:52
Speaker 3: Dan Goldman is the freshman congressman from New York who
24:56
Speaker 3: we've talked about in this podcast before. He's quickly jumped
24:59
Speaker 3: into the role of being Hunter Biden's lead lawyer in
25:03
Speaker 3: the House of Representatives and really Joe Biden's lead lawyer
25:05
Speaker 3: in the House of Representatives. And that's consistent because he's
25:08
Speaker 3: incredibly wealthy, he's the heir of a massive fortune. But
25:13
Speaker 3: he's been a Democrat staffer. He was a Democrat lawyer
25:17
Speaker 3: on the Trump impeachment, which was utterly ludicrous to begin with.
25:21
Speaker 3: And he's already shown he's willing to just lie. Whatever
25:24
Speaker 3: the talking point is from the left, Dan Goldman will
25:27
Speaker 3: repeat it. He will repeat it without a hesitance. And
25:29
Speaker 3: he says, oh, people should be afraid. I got to say,
25:33
Speaker 3: I don't know a lot of lawyers that would be
25:35
Speaker 3: afraid of Dan Goldman, because it is a bad strategy
25:40
Speaker 3: for a lawyer to lie a politician, sometimes you can
25:43
Speaker 3: get away with it because politicians can speak in environments.
25:46
Speaker 3: If you do like Dan Goldman does, and you go
25:48
Speaker 3: on CNN and MSNBC, your lies are never challenged. You're
25:52
Speaker 3: in front of a forum where the corrupt journalists interviewing
25:57
Speaker 3: you also want to lie about the thing you're lying about,
26:00
Speaker 3: so you can say things and face no challenge whatsoever.
26:04
Speaker 3: But where I think Carville is most foolish is saying, gosh,
26:11
Speaker 3: this is a great thing for Democrats to have these
26:15
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26:19
Speaker 3: be thrown into it is in this instance, Look, Carville
26:27
Speaker 3: is beating his chest and trying.
26:29
Speaker 8: To look tough.
26:31
Speaker 3: But the evidence, which we've discussed at great length of
26:37
Speaker 3: Joe Biden's corruption is very significant. James Carville does not
26:44
Speaker 3: want the American people to hear that evidence. Now, if
26:48
Speaker 3: they watch CNN, if they watch MSNBC, if they watch
26:51
Speaker 3: ABC or NBC, they won't hear that evidence. But if
26:55
Speaker 3: we have hearings and hearings that the American people pay
26:58
Speaker 3: attention to, they will hear that evidence and things like
27:02
Speaker 3: over one hundred suspicious activity reports, reports that banks filed
27:08
Speaker 3: about what appeared to be money laundering by the Biden
27:11
Speaker 3: family over twenty shell corporations, corporations that don't have employees,
27:15
Speaker 3: that don't manufacture anything, that are not real companies, but
27:19
Speaker 3: the only purpose of them it is to launder money.
27:24
Speaker 3: Up to five thousand, four hundred emails from fake email
27:28
Speaker 3: addresses from Joe Biden to Hunter Biden, many concerning Ukraine,
27:36
Speaker 3: multiple burner phones by Joe Biden, the testimony of a
27:40
Speaker 3: confidential informant who says Joe Biden and Hunter Biden personally
27:45
Speaker 3: solicited and received millions of dollars of bribes from a
27:49
Speaker 3: Ukrainian oligarch. The WhatsApp text message from Hunter threatening saying
27:54
Speaker 3: I'm sitting here next to my father and if you
27:57
Speaker 3: don't give me millions of dollars, my father is going
27:59
Speaker 3: to retaliate again us. You That evidence, one after the
28:02
Speaker 3: other after the other, is compelling, And the average American
28:07
Speaker 3: who is watching the corrupt corporate media doesn't know any
28:11
Speaker 3: of it. And so what Carvil is doing. Look in
28:15
Speaker 3: Wednesday's podcast, we said the Democrat talking point is there's
28:18
Speaker 3: no evidence. The more savvy people are saying, no direct evidence,
28:22
Speaker 3: because everything I just cited is evidence, although most of
28:24
Speaker 3: that is circumstantial evidence. Circumstantial evidence is powerful evidence on
28:30
Speaker 3: which people are convicted of crimes every single day of
28:32
Speaker 3: the year. But as we discussed in Wednesday's podcast, they're
28:35
Speaker 3: at least two separate pieces of direct evidence. Number one,
28:38
Speaker 3: the Hunter Biden text to the Chinese communist official threatening
28:42
Speaker 3: retaliation from his father. That's direct evidence. And number two,
28:47
Speaker 3: Joe Biden admitting on tape that he held a billion
28:52
Speaker 3: dollars in US loan guarantees hostage to force the Ukrainian
28:58
Speaker 3: government to fire the pro secutor who was investigating the
29:02
Speaker 3: corrupt Ukrainian oligarch. That too, is direct evidence of one
29:06
Speaker 3: of the critical elements of bribery. And so I got
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Speaker 2: had a very interesting response and this is the third
30:39
Speaker 2: change now in the goalposts for Joe Biden's involvement with
30:44
Speaker 2: Hunter Biden's businesses. The first was they never spoke about business. Ever,
30:49
Speaker 2: then they change it to he was never in business
30:53
Speaker 2: with his son. That was the goalpost moving yet again.
30:57
Speaker 2: Now the White House is Ian Sam came out and
31:00
Speaker 2: moved the goalposts again when he said this.
31:04
Speaker 14: The other allegations is the president was present at some
31:07
Speaker 14: of the meetings between Hunter Biden and his business associates.
31:10
Speaker 14: Why was the president at those meetings on those phone calls?
31:15
Speaker 7: Well, again, I think this is part of the right
31:17
Speaker 7: wing's misinformation machine to try to confuse people about what
31:21
Speaker 7: the truth is. The truth is that the President, as
31:23
Speaker 7: he has said publicly for years, calls his family every
31:28
Speaker 7: day to check in. He calls his son every day
31:30
Speaker 7: to check in. He calls his other family members to
31:32
Speaker 7: check in to see how they're doing.
31:33
Speaker 12: He loves them.
31:34
Speaker 7: They're a tight knit family. And what the GOP's own
31:37
Speaker 7: witness testified in this case is that that's exactly what
31:40
Speaker 7: the President was doing. He was checking in with Hunter
31:43
Speaker 7: during a particularly hard time. I might add a time
31:46
Speaker 7: where the family was going through Hunter's brother Bo's illness,
31:51
Speaker 7: and of course the President checks in with his son
31:53
Speaker 7: and talks to them, but again that witness testified no
31:56
Speaker 7: business dealings of Hunter Biden's or anyone's was discussed in
31:59
Speaker 7: these conversations, and so again they're trying to make this
32:02
Speaker 7: sort of strange connection when their own investigation has disproven
32:06
Speaker 7: these claims.
32:08
Speaker 14: Before I let you go in is the president response?
32:11
Speaker 14: In terms of how the President has reacted to this,
32:14
Speaker 14: especially as somebody who's been in politics and been at
32:16
Speaker 14: Washington for as long as he has been, the idea
32:19
Speaker 14: that he is now a subject to an impeachment inquiry
32:21
Speaker 14: as president of the United States, what's his response to that.
32:24
Speaker 7: You know, the President has been in politics for a
32:26
Speaker 7: long time, and I think, as he would say, he's
32:28
Speaker 7: seen a lot of malarkey along the way, but this
32:30
Speaker 7: might take the cake. You know, he's focused on the
32:32
Speaker 7: issues that actually matter to the American people. You just
32:34
Speaker 7: saw him spending the last week traveling around the world,
32:37
Speaker 7: shoring up our alliance as advancing national interests in Asia,
32:41
Speaker 7: our economic interests in Asia, showing American leadership on the
32:45
Speaker 7: world stage.
32:46
Speaker 9: He's coming back here.
32:47
Speaker 7: He's announcing today a quarter billion dollar investment in cancer research,
32:51
Speaker 7: try to finally cure cancer. That's what his administration and
32:54
Speaker 7: this president is focused on every day. They're focused on
32:56
Speaker 7: the actual needs of the American people. And I think
32:59
Speaker 7: what he would say is maybe the House Republicans should
33:02
Speaker 7: join him.
33:03
Speaker 2: There's the pardon there where he says that Joe Biden
33:07
Speaker 2: attended Hunter's business meetings because he loves him. That's the
33:11
Speaker 2: new goalpost that they just moved significantly from they never
33:14
Speaker 2: talked about business to then well they never work together.
33:17
Speaker 2: Now it's well, he just went to the business meetings
33:19
Speaker 2: because he loves him.
33:20
Speaker 1: Really, that's the new excuse.
33:23
Speaker 3: Well, look, I mean, what good and loving and devoted
33:27
Speaker 3: father hasn't called in twenty times to his son's meeting
33:32
Speaker 3: with corrupt oligarchs who are paying millions of dollars in
33:37
Speaker 3: exchange for favors from that father while he's sitting and
33:41
Speaker 3: serving as the vice president of the United States. I mean,
33:43
Speaker 3: that's really just what any good dad would do.
33:46
Speaker 1: I mean, it really is.
33:49
Speaker 3: It's cynical because they point out that Joe's other son
33:54
Speaker 3: tragically died of cancer, so they want to wrap it
33:56
Speaker 3: in the sympathy of a human tragedy. To say, well,
34:01
Speaker 3: of course, you know, listen, why was Hunter getting paid
34:08
Speaker 3: the millions of dollars? I didn't hear him say a
34:12
Speaker 3: word about that. There's no value Hunter provides. What was
34:16
Speaker 3: the value Hunter brought? You know, Ben, you're a talented guy,
34:21
Speaker 3: You're a charming guy. Are there any foreign ola garks
34:25
Speaker 3: calling you up saying Ben, I want to wire millions
34:27
Speaker 3: of dollars to you.
34:29
Speaker 1: Zero, That's not all you know.
34:32
Speaker 3: They don't do that to anybody. They only do it
34:36
Speaker 3: if you were providing value. And what all of these
34:41
Speaker 3: talking heads, what all of these democrat hacks are saying,
34:45
Speaker 3: what all of the corporate media puppets are refusing to answer,
34:49
Speaker 3: is is what did Hunter get in exchange for the
34:54
Speaker 3: tens of millions of dollars? And according to the House
34:56
Speaker 3: it could be north of twenty thirty million dollars. We're
34:59
Speaker 3: talking massive amounts of money. And by the way, not
35:04
Speaker 3: money from you know, normal American companies, not money from
35:09
Speaker 3: our friends and allies. It wasn't money from France, it
35:12
Speaker 3: wasn't money from Italy, it wasn't money from the United Kingdom,
35:15
Speaker 3: it wasn't money from Japan. It was money from China, Russia, Ukraine.
35:24
Speaker 3: They singled out nations with very significant antagonism and hostility
35:34
Speaker 3: to America and some of the most corrupt nations on Earth.
35:39
Speaker 3: And there is no innocent explanation. By the way, you
35:43
Speaker 3: don't hear any of these Democrats explaining why did Joe
35:45
Speaker 3: Biden have multiple book burner phones, Why did he have
35:47
Speaker 3: fake emails? Why did he use fake emails to send
35:51
Speaker 3: emails to his son Hunter about Ukraine on government email
35:56
Speaker 3: while Hunter was getting paid millions of dollars. All of
36:00
Speaker 3: that the Democrats want you to ignore and say, well, gosh,
36:05
Speaker 3: Joe's just a loving dad, and that's what loving dads do.
36:09
Speaker 3: They help their sons make thirty million dollars from corrupt
36:13
Speaker 3: oligarchs who are enemies of America.
36:15
Speaker 2: So there was a montage that we played of Joe
36:18
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36:22
Speaker 2: as team others in the media.
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Speaker 1: It went viral several weeks ago. I think it's.
36:26
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36:29
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Speaker 2: I want to get back to this montage center that
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38:14
Speaker 2: it's another example of how many lives have been told
38:17
Speaker 2: by the Bidens and how much the media has been
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Speaker 2: willing to cover for them. And this is what this
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Speaker 2: impeachment inquiry is going to be all about.
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Speaker 15: Ever discussed with my son before my brother or anyone
38:28
Speaker 15: else in being having to do with their businesses.
38:30
Speaker 13: President Biden met with at least fourteen of Hunter's business
38:34
Speaker 13: associates while he was vice president.
38:36
Speaker 10: And Vice president Joe Biden at dinner with his son
38:39
Speaker 10: Hunter along with Hunters of business associates from Ukraine, Russia,
38:43
Speaker 10: and Kazakhstan, and the day after the dinner, a Barisma
38:46
Speaker 10: executive said a note to Hunter, quoting dear Hunter, thank
38:49
Speaker 10: you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity
38:53
Speaker 10: to meet your father and spend some time together.
38:56
Speaker 6: Hunter's lucrative business dealings often included giving as much as
38:59
Speaker 6: a percent of his earnings to his dad.
39:02
Speaker 16: The text read quote, I hope you all can do
39:05
Speaker 16: what I did and pay for everything for this entire
39:07
Speaker 16: family for thirty years. It's really hard, but don't worry
39:11
Speaker 16: Onnlike Pop, I won't make you give me half your salary.
39:14
Speaker 15: His son Hunter, joining the then Vice president on the
39:17
Speaker 15: official visit to Beijing. Unknown to the press, back then,
39:20
Speaker 15: Hunter Biden was forming a Chinese private equity fund, planning
39:23
Speaker 15: to raise money, including from Chinese investors. Ten days after
39:27
Speaker 15: the Bidens trip, Shanghai authorities issued the fund's business license.
39:31
Speaker 17: And the Hunter introduced me as this is Tony Dad,
39:35
Speaker 17: the individual I told you about that's helping us with
39:38
Speaker 17: the business that we're working on in the Chinese.
39:40
Speaker 18: The email reads this way quote at the moment, there's
39:43
Speaker 18: a provisional agreement that the equity will be distributed as
39:46
Speaker 18: follows ten held by Hunter for the big guy.
39:49
Speaker 17: I have a thousand percent sit here and know that
39:51
Speaker 17: the big guy is referencing Joe Biden. I met with
39:54
Speaker 17: a former vice president in person multiple times.
39:58
Speaker 12: A newly revealed text message Joe's b Bolinski was apparently
40:01
Speaker 12: warned by business partner James Gillier, don't mention Joe being involved.
40:05
Speaker 12: It's only when you are face to face. I know
40:08
Speaker 12: you know that, but they are paranoid.
40:10
Speaker 5: Chinese executives admitted to reporters that they were actually introduced
40:14
Speaker 5: to the Vice presidents by Hunter.
40:16
Speaker 10: Biden, Hunter and the then Vice President seeing with a
40:19
Speaker 10: pair of Mexican billionaires at the same time.
40:21
Speaker 15: Hunter had been working on energy deals in Mexico.
40:24
Speaker 16: Joe Biden also had a Hunter at his business partner,
40:28
Speaker 16: fly On f was two to Mexico.
40:30
Speaker 5: His closest business partner.
40:31
Speaker 6: Hunters made at least nineteen visits to the White House
40:33
Speaker 6: and other official locations, including a sit down with then
40:37
Speaker 6: Vice President Joe Biden in the West Wing.
40:39
Speaker 18: There's photographic evidence of Biden on a golf out and
40:42
Speaker 18: with both his son Hunter and a man called Devin Archer,
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Speaker 18: who was another member of the Parice Maboor.
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Speaker 5: We also know that Devin Archer in that picture had
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Speaker 5: a meeting in the White House, one on one meeting
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Speaker 5: with Joe Biden about a week before.
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Speaker 1: They joined the Maarice Mabour.
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Speaker 2: You hear that, Senator, and this explains exactly why this
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Speaker 2: impeachment inquiry is going to be so important.
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Speaker 8: Well, it does.
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Speaker 3: It also explains why the Democrat talking point and the
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Speaker 3: corporate media talking point that there is no evidence of
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Speaker 3: Joe Biden's corruption. It is flatly false. And I gotta
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Speaker 3: say James Carvil saying he's really looking forward to hearings
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Speaker 3: on this, well, you know what, James so am, I.
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