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Who We Are-Dems Abandon God & the Declaration of Independence plus Cartels in every Community in America · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome.
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Speaker 2: The Democratic Party senator is really starting to show their
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Speaker 2: true colors in a proud way. They're disdain for American values,
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Speaker 2: American families, and for God is on full display now.
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Speaker 2: Now we started to witness some of this when they
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Speaker 2: were going after the Jewish people with the war when
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Speaker 2: Israel was attacked. But Tim Kaine testifies that the constitutional
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Speaker 2: rights come from the government. Let me say that again,
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Speaker 2: come from the government, not from God. You had a
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Speaker 2: very interesting interaction with him, and this is something that
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Speaker 2: should terrify all Americans because now, wow, this is where
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Speaker 2: the Democratic Party truly is to stain for God and family.
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Speaker 3: Well, every day the Democrat Party gets more and more radical.
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Speaker 3: They have now decided that God has no place in
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Speaker 3: our nation, and God has no place in our founding documents,
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Speaker 3: and that our rights critically do not come from God,
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Speaker 3: this is truly an extreme position. Tim Kaine and I
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Speaker 3: went back and forth this week in the United States
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Speaker 2: All right, So let's start with this. I actually am
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Speaker 2: shocked by this senator when I saw this come out,
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Speaker 2: I'm like, did did did? Did Tim Kaine really say
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Speaker 2: that the constitutional rights come from government, not God. And
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Speaker 2: that is exactly what he said. It wasn't a joke
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Speaker 2: on the internet.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And let me set the stage. This was a
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Speaker 3: Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing this week, and it was
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Speaker 3: a confirmation hearing for a number of nominees. And the
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Speaker 3: way hearings work in the Senate is often you have
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Speaker 3: multiple hearings simultaneously, and so that day I had a
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Speaker 3: Senate Foreign Relations hearing, I had a Commerce Committee hearing
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Speaker 3: that I was chairing and conducting, and then I also
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Speaker 3: had a Judiciary Committee hearing, and so you have to
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Speaker 3: go from hearing to hearing, so you're walking in and
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Speaker 3: out of each of the hearings, trying to make it
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Speaker 3: to all of them. And so I was just walking
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Speaker 3: into the Foreign Relations Committee hearing and Tim Kaine was
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Speaker 3: happened to be questioning and speaking, and I was getting
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Speaker 3: ready to speak myself. So I sat down and one
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Speaker 3: of the Trump Department nomine Trump administration nominees to the
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Speaker 3: State Department had included in his testimony the observation that
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Speaker 3: our rights come from God and not from government. And
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Speaker 3: Tim Kaine took offense to this, and he just teed
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Speaker 3: off on it, and I sat there dumbfounded listening to him,
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Speaker 3: and then I responded, So I'm going to play first
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Speaker 3: what Tim Kaine said, and then I'm going to play
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Speaker 3: my response that that I said afterwards. Here, give a listen.
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Speaker 4: The notion that rights don't come from laws and don't
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Speaker 4: come from the government, but come from the creator. That's
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Speaker 4: what the Iranian government believes. It's a theocratic regime that
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Speaker 4: bases its rule on Shiah law and target soonies behinds, Jews, Christians,
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Speaker 4: and other religious minorities. And they do it because they
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Speaker 4: believe that they understand what natural rights are from their creator.
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Speaker 4: So the statement that our rights do not come from
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Speaker 4: our laws or our governments is extremely troubling. I think
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Speaker 4: the motto over the Supreme Court is equal justice under law.
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Speaker 4: The oath that you and I take pledged to support
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Speaker 4: and defend the Constitution of the United States, not arbitrarily
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Speaker 4: defined natural rights.
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Speaker 3: Mister Barnes, I'd actually like to go back to the
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Speaker 3: exchange you had with Senator Kane, and I wish Senator
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Speaker 3: Kane was still here. Senator Kane and I were elected
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Speaker 3: together thirteen years ago. He is a friend I would
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Speaker 3: actually encourage observers to go back and listen to what
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Speaker 3: Senator Kine said, because I have to say it I
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Speaker 3: think was disturbing and showed much of where today's Democrat
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Speaker 3: Party has gone wrong. So Senator Kine said in this
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Speaker 3: hearing that he founded a radical and dangerous notion that
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Speaker 3: you would say our rights came from God and not
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Speaker 3: from government. I've just walked into the hearing as he
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Speaker 3: was saying that, and I almost fell out of my
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Speaker 3: chair because that radical and dangerous notion, in his words,
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Speaker 3: is literally the founding principle upon which the United States
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Speaker 3: of America was created. And if you do not believe me,
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Speaker 3: and you made reference to this, mister Barnes, then you
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Speaker 3: can believe perhaps the most prominent Virginian to ever serve,
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Speaker 3: Thomas Jefferson, who wrote in the Declaration of Independence, we
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Speaker 3: hold these truths to be self evident, that all men
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Speaker 3: are created equal, and that they are endowed by by
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Speaker 3: their creator, not by government, not by the Democratic National Committee,
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Speaker 3: but by God, with certain unalienable rights, that among these
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Speaker 3: are life, liberty in the pursuit of happiness. I have
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Speaker 3: to say, it is stunning to me that the principle
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Speaker 3: that God has given us natural rights is now deemed
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Speaker 3: by Democrats some radical and dangerous notion. Mister Jefferson was
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Speaker 3: right when he wrote those words. Government exists to protect
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Speaker 3: those rights, but slavery was not okay when US law
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Speaker 3: allowed it. It was wrong. Then, it is wrong now
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Speaker 3: it is always wrong.
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Speaker 2: So let's break this down. This seems to be where
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Speaker 2: the Democratic Party, not where it's going. This is where
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Speaker 2: it is. It's core right now.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that's exactly right. Tim Kaine is not some
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Speaker 3: fringe character in the Democrat Party. Tim Kaine, as you know,
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Speaker 3: was Hillary Clinton's vice president nominee. He came very close
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Speaker 3: to being vice president of the United States. Tim Kane
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Speaker 3: has been in the Senate for thirteen years. He was
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Speaker 3: elected to the Senate at the same time I was.
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Speaker 3: Tim is not a dumb man. He's very smart. He's
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Speaker 3: a lawyer. He's a serious guy. He's a careful thinker.
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Speaker 3: He knows what's in the Declaration of Independence. He just
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Speaker 3: doesn't agree with it. And what troubled me about this,
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Speaker 3: I actually had an entirely different line of questioning that
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Speaker 3: I was planning to get into at the hearing, and
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Speaker 3: I just walked in and heard him saying this, and
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Speaker 3: what troubled me was just how casually, how casually he said, Look,
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Speaker 3: the basic ideas that were the foundation of America. Those
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Speaker 3: ideas are radical, they're extreme. They are the ideas of Iran.
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Speaker 3: That's what he argued, that if you believe our rights
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Speaker 3: come from God, you are a theocratic mala in Iran.
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Speaker 3: I want to go back. I want to read the
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Speaker 3: first paragraph and a half of the Declaration of Independence.
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Speaker 3: You know, next summer, next July fourth, will be the
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Speaker 3: two of and fiftieth anniversary of the United States. So
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Speaker 3: it was two hundred and fifty years ago next summer
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Speaker 3: that the Declaration was signed on July fourth, seventeen seventy six.
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Speaker 3: Here's how it begins, in Unanimous Declaration of the Thirteen
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Speaker 3: United States of America. When in the course of human events,
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Speaker 3: it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political
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Speaker 3: bands which have connected them with another, and to assume
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Speaker 3: among the powers of the earth the separate and equal
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Speaker 3: station to which the laws of nature and Nature's God
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Speaker 3: entitle them. A decent respect of the opinions of mankind
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Speaker 3: requires that they should declare the clauses causes which impel
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Speaker 3: them to the separation. We hold these truths to be
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Speaker 3: self evident, that all men are created equal, and that
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Speaker 3: they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights,
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Speaker 3: that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happening.
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Speaker 3: And then I want you to listen to the next sentence,
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Speaker 3: because it really explains why Tim Kaine is fundamentally wrong
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Speaker 3: in the relationship between rights that come from God and
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Speaker 3: the role of government. That to secure these rights, governments
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Speaker 3: are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the
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Speaker 3: consent of the government. That whenever any form of government
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Speaker 3: becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of
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Speaker 3: the people to alter or to abolish it, and to
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Speaker 3: institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and
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Speaker 3: organizing its powers in such form as to them shall
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Speaker 3: seem most likely to affect their safety and happiness. Now,
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Speaker 3: that's the right relationship, which is that government is not
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Speaker 3: the source of the rights. God is the source of
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Speaker 3: the rights. It is God who has given you and
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Speaker 3: me and everyone listening to this a right to life.
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Speaker 3: It is God who has given us a right to liberty.
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Speaker 3: It is God who has given us a right to
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Speaker 3: the pursuit of happiness. Historically, and if you go back
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Speaker 3: to some of the great English thinkers, people like John Locke,
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Speaker 3: the three standard natural rights that people were discussed having
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Speaker 3: were life, liberty, and property. And Jefferson did not include
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Speaker 3: property in the Declaration because he did not want to
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Speaker 3: get into the debate on slavery, and so in place
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Speaker 3: of property he put in pursuit of happiness. Pursuit of
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Speaker 3: happiness in many ways is just an aspect of liberty.
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Speaker 3: That is part of liberty is the pursuit of happiness.
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Speaker 3: But the relationship that is important. And every one of
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Speaker 3: our founding fathers knew this. Thomas Jefferson knew this. George
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Speaker 3: Washington knew this, James Madison knew this. Ben Franklin knew this.
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Speaker 3: Are they understood? Look, God has given us these rights.
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Speaker 3: Now Tim is saying no, No, it's government who gives
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Speaker 3: us as rights. That's backwards, as the Declaration says that too.
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Speaker 3: So to cure these rights, governments are instituted among men.
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Speaker 3: That means the purpose of government is to secure to
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Speaker 3: protect those rights. Do you need government to protect our rights? Absolutely?
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Speaker 3: And actually the point I made in the debate with
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Speaker 3: Tim Kaine, listen slavery was wrong. It was immoral, even
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Speaker 3: for the hundred plus years that it was legal here.
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Speaker 3: The fact that our laws allowed slavery didn't make it
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Speaker 3: suddenly moral and just and okay. It was a violation
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Speaker 3: of human rights. It was a violation of human rights.
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Speaker 3: As the Declaration promised all men are created equal. When
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Speaker 3: you had African Americans that could be held as slaves,
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Speaker 3: our country was not living up to that promise. And
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Speaker 3: so we fought a bloody civil war. Six hundred thousand
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Speaker 3: Americans died to end the scourge of slavery. And then
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Speaker 3: we amended the Constitution to explicitly end slavery. But slavery
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Speaker 3: was not magically okay before the thirteenth, fourteenth, and fifteenth amendments.
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Speaker 3: And that's a point that Tim Kaine is really representing
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Speaker 3: well today's Democrat Party, because the entire party rejects that.
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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you why they reject that, because if
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Speaker 3: rights don't come from God, if they come from government,
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Speaker 3: then government can take them away. The Declaration refers to
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Speaker 3: these rights as unalienable. Unalienable means they can't be taken away.
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Speaker 3: The Democrats believe your rights are entirely alienable. That the
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Speaker 3: only God is government, and government can give, government can
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Speaker 3: take away. That's the fundamental debate, and it's a debate
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Speaker 3: right at the heart I think of where today's Democrat
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Speaker 3: Party has gone off the rails.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, final question on this, because I do believe we're
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Speaker 2: also witnessing a public disdain for people of faith coming
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Speaker 2: from the Democratic Party. We've seen the undertones of that,
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Speaker 2: but now it just seems to be at the forefront
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Speaker 2: that it's almost like they mock and roll their eyes
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Speaker 2: at people of faith. We I've seen this, certainly with
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Speaker 2: the debates and the conversations over people that are Jewish
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Speaker 2: and people of faith in Israel, and now this has
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Speaker 2: become mainstream.
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Speaker 1: How dangerous is that? Look at it?
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Speaker 3: It is very dangerous. The Democrat Party position often seems
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Speaker 3: to be people of faith need not apply. If you're
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Speaker 3: a Christian, the Democrats don't want you. If you're Jewish,
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Speaker 3: the Democrats don't want you. If you're Catholic. The Democrats
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Speaker 3: don't want you. If you believe your faith, if you
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Speaker 3: worship you, if you are faithful, and it matters to
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Speaker 3: you that the Democrats have said that is not welcome,
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Speaker 3: and you know it wasn't too long ago when there
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Speaker 3: was a real bipartisan commitment to religious liberty. You know,
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Speaker 3: you go back to the nineteen nineties, nineteen ninety three,
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Speaker 3: the Religious Freedom Restoration Act past Congress, protecting the religious
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Speaker 3: liberty of every American.
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Speaker 1: Senata.
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Speaker 2: I want to ask you one other question about this
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Speaker 2: bigger issue with Tim Kaine. There have been some religious leaders,
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Speaker 2: thank goodness, that have actually stood up to him. Some
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Speaker 2: of the headlines the Federals had one that said Tim
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Speaker 2: kin thinks you're a terrorist if you believe rights come
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Speaker 2: from God. The Christian Post that Ted Cruz torches Tim
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Speaker 2: Kane for describing God given rights as very, very troubling.
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Speaker 2: And there's some religious leaders that have also gotten into
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Speaker 2: talk about this as well. That's a good sign.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. One of the most thoughtful responses to what Tim
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Speaker 3: Kaine said came from Bishop Robert Baron, who is the
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Speaker 3: bishop of the Diocese of Wenona Rochester in Minnesota. And
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Speaker 3: I want you to listen to what the bishop had
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Speaker 3: to say, because I think this is very thoughtful and accurate.
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Speaker 5: Everybody's Bishop Baron. I just feel obligated to speak out
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Speaker 5: against something that I came across today and I just
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Speaker 5: found it some outrageous and really so dangerous to our democracy.
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Speaker 5: It was Senator Tim Kaine at a I think it
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Speaker 5: was a Senate confirmation hearing, and he was actively contesting
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Speaker 5: the view that our rights come from God and not
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Speaker 5: from the government. And he said, this is very dangerous
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Speaker 5: if you claim that our rights don't come from laws
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Speaker 5: and from government. But what struck me was he's a
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Speaker 5: senator from Virginia. Virginia was a state of Thomas Jefferson
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Speaker 5: and James Madison, both of whom took it as fundamental
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Speaker 5: to our democracy that our rights don't come from the government,
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Speaker 5: they come from God. So we know the familiar words
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Speaker 5: of Jefferson right that we are created equal, created by God.
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Speaker 5: We're endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights. Among
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Speaker 5: these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You
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Speaker 5: see so basic that Jefferson was the fact that rights
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Speaker 5: come first. They're not invented by the government. Rather government exists.
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Speaker 5: And remember this language from the prologue of the Declaration
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Speaker 5: to secure these rights doesn't invent them, doesn't ground them,
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Speaker 5: It secures them. It recognizes them as objectively coming from God.
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Speaker 5: And then its whole purpose is to secure them, to
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Speaker 5: serve them. Think two of that familiar word from Jefferson, inalienable.
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Speaker 5: These rights are inalienable. Now why because they come not
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Speaker 5: from the government but from God. If the government creates
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Speaker 5: our rights, it can take them away. If the government
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Speaker 5: is responsible for our rights, well, then it can change them.
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Speaker 5: You think this never happens. You don't know much about
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Speaker 5: the history of the twentieth century. Look at the great
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Speaker 5: totalitarian systems of the twentieth century that followed from the
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Speaker 5: denial of God and denial of rights coming from God,
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Speaker 5: and so those rights became eminently alienable whenever it served
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Speaker 5: the purposes of the government. It just strikes me as
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Speaker 5: extraordinary that a major American politician wouldn't understand this. We
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Speaker 5: the elemental part of our system. God help us. I
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Speaker 5: mean that literally, God help us. If we say our
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Speaker 5: rights are coming to us from the government that gives
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Speaker 5: the government indeed, God like power, we are And this
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Speaker 5: is not pious boilerplate, it's basic democracy. We are a
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Speaker 5: nation under God, Lincoln says the Gettysburg addressed that this
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Speaker 5: nation under God shall have a new birth of freedom. Again,
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Speaker 5: that's not just pious decoration. That's a very important political statement.
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Speaker 5: We are a government that recognizes the objective rights that
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Speaker 5: come from outside of government. Government exists to serve them
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Speaker 5: and to secure them. Well, the fact that this rhetoric
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Speaker 5: and it's popped up elsewhere too in recent years I
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Speaker 5: spoke out against it a little while ago, is troubling
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Speaker 5: because it's a fruit I would say, of the increasing
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Speaker 5: marginalization and privatization of religion, if not outright hostility to it.
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Speaker 5: But see, everybody, religion is elemental, it's basic to our democracy.
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Speaker 5: So I'm speaking out against this statement I think is
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Speaker 5: really dangerous, both as a Catholic bishop and as a
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Speaker 5: proud American who's very happy to follow Thomas Jefferson.
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Speaker 2: I love what you said there as American as well,
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Speaker 2: Like you need to understand this is how our country
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Speaker 2: was founded. Let's not rewrite history and act like this
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Speaker 2: isn't what we are.
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Speaker 3: I think that's exactly right, and this is something that
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Speaker 3: everyone to come together and say, Look, these are the
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Speaker 3: basic principles America was founded upon, and particularly as we
20:21
Speaker 3: move into next year celebrating our nation's two hundred and
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Speaker 3: fiftieth anniversary, it's important that people understand them. And I
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Speaker 3: wish that the Democrat Party would get back to them
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Speaker 3: because the idea, you know, you look at the hat
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Speaker 3: that warned by Trump supporters, make America great again. I
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Speaker 3: got to say it infuriates so many Democrats, the idea
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Speaker 3: that America was ever great. I mean, I mean they're
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Speaker 3: offended by that. And this is why America was great,
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Speaker 3: because we were founded on principles that are true, that
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Speaker 3: our rights are derived from our creator, that our government
20:59
Speaker 3: exists to protect those fundamental rights.
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Speaker 6: That is.
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Speaker 3: The genius idea right at the beginning of the American
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Speaker 3: experiment that put us on this journey to be the
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Speaker 3: shining city on hill that we are.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, great point.
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Speaker 2: I want to also move on to the other story
21:17
Speaker 2: that is one that is not getting a lot of coverage,
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Speaker 2: and it's really important.
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Speaker 1: It's why I love doing this show with you.
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Speaker 2: The Cinelo At cartel is now in essence in every
21:28
Speaker 2: single major city in America. They have set up a
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Speaker 2: massive network. They are making billions and billions of dollars
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Speaker 2: poisoning and killing Americans, human trafficking, sex trafficking, child trafficking.
21:42
Speaker 2: The list goes on and on. Anything that's illegal. They've
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Speaker 2: got their tentacles in it, and you may think that
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Speaker 2: you're far away from the border, so this isn't actually
21:52
Speaker 2: in your city or your big city or your area
21:54
Speaker 2: of the country. Great example of that is New England.
21:57
Speaker 2: If you're a New England listening to us right now,
21:59
Speaker 2: you're probably it's not near as bad as like where
22:01
Speaker 2: we are in Houston at the moment. Well, guess what
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Speaker 2: you'd be wrong. AE hundred and seventy one Cineloa cartel
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Speaker 2: members were arrested in New England. The DEA has now announced.
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Speaker 3: That was in a single week. In a single week,
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Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy one Cineloa cartel members arrested in Boston.
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Speaker 3: The arrest also led to the seizure of more than
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Speaker 3: twenty two thousand counterfeit pills, fentanyl powder, and packaging branded
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Speaker 3: with the Sineloa cartel logo, and the DEA Agent in
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Speaker 3: charge for the New England Field Division said the Cineloa
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Speaker 3: cartel is quote public enemy number one in New England.
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Speaker 3: That's what the Democrats open border policies have done. And
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Speaker 3: listen to a local news story covering this arrest of
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Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy one Cineloa cartel members in Boston
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Speaker 3: give a listen.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, ask yourself this question, America,
22:57
Speaker 2: why did you not hear about this on the national
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Speaker 2: news This is Boston and twenty five news covering it there.
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Speaker 7: The Federal Drug Enforcement Administration says a week long cartel
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Speaker 7: crackdown led to nearly two hundred arrests just in New England.
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Speaker 7: The DEA says they were all members of the Cineloa cartel,
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Speaker 7: the largest drug cartel in the world. Twenty five investigates
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Speaker 7: went one on one with the DEA special Agent in
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Speaker 7: charge about their recent operation. He says the vast Sineloa
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Speaker 7: network has deep roots in New England.
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Speaker 8: There are public Enemy number one.
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Speaker 7: Jared Fourge, the special Agent in charge of DEA's New
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Speaker 7: England Field Division, says last week the DEA set out
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Speaker 7: to arrest as many members of the Mexico base Sinaloa
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Speaker 7: cartel as possible. New England saw the highest number of
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Speaker 7: regional arrests at one seventy one, with forty nine in Massachusetts,
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Speaker 7: thirty three in New Hampshire. Connecticut saw the most at
23:48
Speaker 7: sixty four.
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Speaker 6: Do you think people would be surprised to learn how
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Speaker 6: many members of that cartel are operating, probably in plain
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Speaker 6: sight in their communities.
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Speaker 8: Sure so, Sineloa Cartel in every single state across America,
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Speaker 8: more than forty countries around the world, and obviously they're
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Speaker 8: at every state throughout New England.
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Speaker 6: What's their number one product they push? Is it the pills?
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Speaker 8: So we see fetanyl powder, and we see counterfeit pills,
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Speaker 8: pills that are made to look like legitimate pills, notably
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Speaker 8: M thirty s M.
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Speaker 7: Thirty pills are counterfeit oxy codone. But FOURGET says they're
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Speaker 7: also increasingly seeing counterfeit stimulant pills made to look like
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Speaker 7: Adderall FOURGE showed us some of the more than twenty
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Speaker 7: two thousand pills and other drug sees during the operation,
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Speaker 7: like signature purple fentanyl and some drug packaging even displaying
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Speaker 7: the Sinaloa cartel stamp.
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Speaker 8: I'm a dea agent. I cannot tell the difference between
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Speaker 8: a fake one and a real one. So we need
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Speaker 8: to remind parents, schools, caregivers, everybody in the community have
24:51
Speaker 8: those conversations with each other, have them with your kids.
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Speaker 7: Forge says. The cartel targets unsuspecting young people online through
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Speaker 7: common social media, as many have no idea they're buying
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Speaker 7: potentially deadly counterfeit pills. One hundred and seventy one arrests
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Speaker 7: throughout New England.
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Speaker 6: Does that make a dent.
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Speaker 1: Where the DEA.
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Speaker 8: We're not going after low level retail drug traffickers. We
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Speaker 8: are going after drug trafficking organizations, the networks.
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Speaker 6: How do you disrupt that something that is so large,
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Speaker 6: so vast, and seemingly so powerful.
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Speaker 8: Right, it's an ongoing battle, one that we cannot we
25:26
Speaker 8: can't afford to give up. Right, it's the Cinelo cartel
25:29
Speaker 8: is a threat to public safety, our public health, and
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Speaker 8: our national security as a country.
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Speaker 7: This year, the Centers for Disease Control reported, while drug
25:38
Speaker 7: overdose deaths are declining, overdose is the leading cause of
25:42
Speaker 7: death for young people ages eighteen to forty five.
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Speaker 2: Senator, you hear that report. It should be national news.
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Speaker 2: It's not. Thank goodness, we're doing the show to make
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Speaker 2: it national. But this is concerning because it's not just
25:56
Speaker 2: in New England. This is in every major city in America.
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Speaker 2: They've set up shop.
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Speaker 3: Well, CNN won't cover it, MSNBC won't, but cover it.
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Speaker 3: I'm glad the local news covered it, and it is
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Speaker 3: critically important. The cartels. Public Enemy number one in New England,
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Speaker 3: brought to you by the Democrats is the Cineloa cartel.
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Speaker 3: And you know it was striking what they were arrested with.
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Speaker 3: They were arrested with with, among other things, counterfeit pills,
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Speaker 3: pills like adderall and and those are designed to be
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Speaker 3: sold to your kids. Ben, you and I are both parents.
26:25
Speaker 3: I will tell you it is terrifying being the parents
26:29
Speaker 3: of young kids today. Your kids are younger than mine, Ben,
26:33
Speaker 3: My girls are teenagers. And and you know, I think
26:35
Speaker 3: back when you and I were teenagers. You go out
26:38
Speaker 3: to party. There may be some kids in high school,
26:40
Speaker 3: they might be drinking. Maybe someone would would would smoke
26:43
Speaker 3: some marijuana, but but the odds were that you were
26:46
Speaker 3: not going to die going to a party when you
26:48
Speaker 3: and I were kids. What is terrifying now is that
26:52
Speaker 3: kids go to a party and someone says, here, hey,
26:55
Speaker 3: try a pill. It's it's it's it's an adderall, it's
26:57
Speaker 3: it's it's it's a riddle, and it's something they think
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Speaker 3: is fairly innocuous. And the kid takes one pill, and
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Speaker 3: it is a counterfeit pill that has fentanyl, and the
27:08
Speaker 3: child drops dead. And that is happening at a scale
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Speaker 3: that is truly terrifying. In twenty twenty three, more than
27:16
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand Americans died of overdoses. Seventy percent of
27:21
Speaker 3: those were fentanyl, and overdose is the wrong word for
27:24
Speaker 3: those those are poisonings, because you know, you think of
27:27
Speaker 3: an overdose. If you have a junkie on the street
27:30
Speaker 3: who's shooting not heroin. He shoots up a little bit
27:32
Speaker 3: too much heroin, that's a tragedy, but there are a
27:36
Speaker 3: series of decisions that put the person in that situation.
27:41
Speaker 3: This circumstance is much more frightening because it can be
27:44
Speaker 3: one tiny mistaken decision made by a fourteen year old
27:50
Speaker 3: that ends that child's life, and that is the result.
27:53
Speaker 3: Open borders are endangering our families and in a very
27:56
Speaker 3: fundamental way.
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Speaker 2: It's an epidemic. And what's interesting is when you do
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Speaker 2: research on this, Senator, one of the things that's the
28:03
Speaker 2: most shocking about it is a lot of police forces
28:07
Speaker 2: are actually running out of their narcan, which is what
28:13
Speaker 2: you can give to try to save someone's life when
28:14
Speaker 2: they overdose. Their yearly supply. They're eating through it in
28:19
Speaker 2: two to three months into the year, and they're having
28:23
Speaker 2: to go to their city council and their board of
28:25
Speaker 2: aldermen and the county commissioners depending on where what type
28:27
Speaker 2: of government they have, and they're having to beg them
28:30
Speaker 2: for more money because they're running through the budget for
28:33
Speaker 2: what they need to save people's lives. That's how big
28:36
Speaker 2: of an epidemic this has become. And again it's the
28:38
Speaker 2: number one killer of young people in this country. That
28:41
Speaker 2: is something that needs to be said over and over
28:43
Speaker 2: again and it's something that we must stop well.
28:46
Speaker 3: And police officers and first responders that they often wear gloves.
28:51
Speaker 3: They're very frightened because if they inadvertently touch fentanyl, a
28:54
Speaker 3: tiny amount can kill them. The level that this is
28:59
Speaker 3: deadly is is truly unprecedented. And you know, I'll say,
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Speaker 3: I want to share an illustration that a DA agent
29:06
Speaker 3: told me a number of years ago, which we were
29:09
Speaker 3: sitting sitting and doing a round table with a DA
29:11
Speaker 3: agent and with a mom who had lost lost her
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Speaker 3: child to fentanyl poisoning. And here's what the DA agent
29:18
Speaker 3: did is he handed out everyone sweetened low packets of
29:21
Speaker 3: the sweetener you put in your tea or coffee, and
29:23
Speaker 3: he said, okay, tear open the sweetened low packet and
29:26
Speaker 3: he said, empty all the sweetened low onto the table,
29:28
Speaker 3: so we all did that. He then said, stick your pinky,
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Speaker 3: your little finger into the empty packet, so we did
29:36
Speaker 3: that and he said pull it out. And you pull
29:39
Speaker 3: it out, you have a handful of tiny little grains
29:41
Speaker 3: of sweet and loath that are on your finger. And
29:45
Speaker 3: he said, that is enough fentanyl to kill you. And
29:49
Speaker 3: it's a very effective illustration. I'll tell you. With both
29:53
Speaker 3: of our teenage girls, I sat them down in the kitchen,
29:55
Speaker 3: I hand them to them packets of sweet and low,
29:58
Speaker 3: and I had them do exactly that. I and if
30:01
Speaker 3: you are a parent, if you are a grandparent, have
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Speaker 3: this conversation with your kids or your grandkids, because look,
30:09
Speaker 3: hopefully your kids will not make catastrophically wrong decisions, but
30:13
Speaker 3: in this circumstance, one small decision that seems easy. Hey,
30:18
Speaker 3: it's a friend of theirs that has you know, hey, hey,
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Speaker 3: try this pill. We're all at a party. And they
30:23
Speaker 3: don't think they are risking their lives. I don't know
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Speaker 3: a parent who is not terrified about the risks that
30:32
Speaker 3: their kids will make one wrong choice and it will
30:35
Speaker 3: cost them their entire life.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is scary, There's no doubt about it.
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Speaker 2: And this is part of the reason why I think
30:41
Speaker 2: the President is also as you wrap up this last week,
30:45
Speaker 2: going after these drug cartels and saying we're going to
30:49
Speaker 2: use the full force of our government to go after
30:53
Speaker 2: them since we've declared them terrorist organizations because they're killing Americans.
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Speaker 3: Look, obviously, the US military took out at Trenduragua Narco
31:03
Speaker 3: terrorist boat off the shores of Venezuela just this past week.
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Speaker 3: As you know, last week I was in Mexico, meeting
31:12
Speaker 3: with senior government officials in Mexico and making clear to
31:15
Speaker 3: them the United States is going after these cartels and
31:18
Speaker 3: we're going to do so either with or without you. Yet,
31:22
Speaker 3: you know, listening to the story of one hundred and
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Speaker 3: seventy one Sineloa cartel members arrested New England reminded me
31:28
Speaker 3: of the MS thirteen cartel member that I spoke with
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Speaker 3: down in El Salvador. I went to the SEACOT, the
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Speaker 3: maximum security terrorist prison. And if you didn't listen to
31:38
Speaker 3: our podcast last week, I me encourage every one of
31:41
Speaker 3: you go back and listen to last week's podcast, or
31:43
Speaker 3: I take you inside this prison. This maximum security prison
31:47
Speaker 3: built for forty thousand gang members, mass murderers and terrorists.
31:52
Speaker 3: And I met with one MS thirteen gang member who
31:54
Speaker 3: lived in Texas many years. He spoke perfectly fluent English.
31:59
Speaker 3: He became an MS thirteen member when he was thirteen
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Speaker 3: years old, living in Falls Church, Virginia. That's the level
32:11
Speaker 3: at which these gangs have penetrated our society. And by
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Speaker 3: the way, the only way you become a member of
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Speaker 3: MS thirteen is you have to murder someone. So at
32:19
Speaker 3: age thirteen, he murdered someone to become a member of
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Speaker 3: this gang. When I asked him why he did it,
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Speaker 3: he said all of his friends were doing the same thing,
32:27
Speaker 3: that he was hanging out with other thirteen year olds
32:30
Speaker 3: who were joining the same gang. And this is now
32:34
Speaker 3: a forty two year old man who's spending the rest
32:37
Speaker 3: of his life at a maximum security prison because of
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Speaker 3: the multiple murders he committed. That is not in Columbia,
32:45
Speaker 3: that's not deep in Mexico City. That was Falls Church, Virginia.
32:49
Speaker 3: And later he moved to Dallas, Texas. We've heard New
32:53
Speaker 3: England this is public enemy number one. You and I
32:56
Speaker 3: and our families. We want the border secured and I'm
32:59
Speaker 3: great that we have a president commander in chief who
33:02
Speaker 3: says we're going to stop the human trafficking, We're going
33:04
Speaker 3: to stop the drug trafficking. We are securing the border.
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Speaker 3: That's an incredible success and it's incredibly important.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're absolutely right about that.
33:13
Speaker 2: And also Reuters is now reporting and this is just
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Speaker 2: showing I think the president's commitment to fighting these narco
33:20
Speaker 2: terras Routers is now saying the US is deploying stealth
33:24
Speaker 2: fighter jets to the Caribbean for drug fight as the
33:27
Speaker 2: tensions of Venezuela continued to rise. They're saying Axios is
33:32
Speaker 2: saying that ten F thirty five jets are being dispatched
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Speaker 2: also to Puerto Rico to support the drug war there.
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Speaker 1: And this is on top of it.
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Speaker 3: And Ben Ben, when I was down at the Panama Canal,
33:44
Speaker 3: I actually saw the USS Lake Erie that was transiting
33:49
Speaker 3: from the Pacific to the Caribbean specifically to participate in
33:54
Speaker 3: the war on drugs. This is a missileship with enormous capacity.
33:58
Speaker 3: I don't know if this was the particular ship that
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Speaker 3: took out the trend to Ragua, but I went and
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Speaker 3: toured the ship, met many of the sailors on board.
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Speaker 3: We are moving major assets to take on the cartels
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Speaker 3: and to defeat the cartels.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
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