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E44: Replacing Mainstream Media w/ Patrick Bet-David · The Lila Rose Show

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  This is the lowest approval rating mainstream media and the
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  government has in the history of America.
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  We're at a phase right now where we're recruiting talent.
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  I made a offer to Tucker Carlson for $100 million.
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  He declined. But the point is we're going
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  after everybody. We're we, we want to compete in
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  a marketplace. When we put every media company
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  on the board, we feel we have an edge and a style that others
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  don't have. And we feel we're going to play
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  a big role in restoring and protecting America, making sure
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  America stays as the greatest country in the world.
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  Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Lila Rose
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  Podcast. Today we're going to be talking
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  to Patrick Bett David, who's an entrepreneur, A philanthropist,
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  and the founder and CEO of Value Tainment, a huge media company,
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  a new conservative leaning media company.
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  I'm really interested in that space.
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  As you know, that's part of this project of the podcast and GTB
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  Media, my new company, and the whole goal of live action and
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  fighting for the lives of children through media.
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  It's really important. So I'm really excited to have
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  you on the podcast. Thanks for joining, Patrick.
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  It's great to be on with you. Awesome.
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  Well, I'd love to first start us off for people who aren't as
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  familiar with you yet, who is Patrick Bet David?
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  And how did you get started building your businesses?
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  Born and raised in Iran. I lived there 10 years.
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  I'm a revolution baby, so I was born in October of 78.
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  We lived there for 10 years. Then in 1989 when Khomeini died,
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  my mom was concerned about me having to serve the military in
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  Iran. So she had a meeting with my dad
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  and said we got to get out of here.
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  So July 15th, six weeks after Khomeini, that I think Khomeini
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  died June 3rd. Right after that we escaped.
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  We went to Germany. I lived in Germany at a refugee
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  camp for a year and a half. Then I came to the States
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  November 28, 1990, lived in Glendale, CA.
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  Right afterwards I joined the military.
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  I went to the 101st Airborne Division, Air Assault.
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  I got out. I wanted to be a bodybuilder
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  like the next Arnold, you know, all this stuff.
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  And then I met a girl who worked on Morgan Stanley Dean Witter.
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  I started working on Morgan Stanley Dean Witter a day before
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  911. I got my series 7663126, life
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  and health, all the licenses. I went to Transamerica
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  afterwards. I was there for 7 1/2 years and
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  then I saw what was going on the marketplace with the insurance
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  industry. I decided to start my own
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  company in October of O9 and we grew it from one office in
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  Northridge, CA to a few 100 offices nationwide, 45,000
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  agents and then I ended up selling a company a year ago for
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  a multi 9 figure exit and to a Silver Lake integrity marketing.
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  It's been a great partnership and an accidentally 10 years
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  ago, I started creating content purely for entrepreneurs and
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  business owners and then that graduated into maybe doing some
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  interviews and then that graduated into some economy
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  politics. And then I separated it with its
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  own podcast called PBD podcast. So Value Tainment became the
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  media company, then we had the PBD podcast and then from
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  there's turn into a consulting firm.
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  Our consulting firm has grown internationally.
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  We have clients from 25 plus different countries and at the
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  same time we're a product development company as well.
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  But I would say that's briefly my story.
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  I'm married with four kids. Beautiful.
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  And so when you started Value Tainment, what was the
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  inspiration behind that? You know, many, many years ago I
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  heard a pastor Dudley Rutherford give a message on 7 mountains to
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  climb in, in, in the world in America.
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  And what's the toughest one to climb?
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  One was family, 1 was clergy, one was military, one was
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  business. And he just kind of going
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  through all of them. And then he said media is the
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  hardest one, but also the most influential one because you can
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  actually shift people's mindset. Now, this was probably in 2009,
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  2010 when he gave this message. And I'm sitting there thinking
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  to myself, interesting to be thinking about the hardest one
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  is media. And I'm like, I don't know if
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  I'm ever going to do it, but if it's going to happen, you know,
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  I'm going to I'm going to think about it.
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  Maybe it's going to be the next 20 year run.
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  I'm going to go on the 1st 20 year run is going to be finance
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  insurance. I got started day before 911 and
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  I stayed for 20 years and I sold in my 20th years when I sold the
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  company. And then I said I'm going to go
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  on the next 20 year run, which is going to be media.
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  So for me, part of value teaming was we're grown a YouTube
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  channel. I'm making content.
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  We get to around 450,000 Subs on YouTube and I have a meeting at
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  the time I think we had our third kid, my wife and I, and
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  I'm doing vlogs, I'm doing this, I'm doing that.
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  I'm working 80 to 100 hours every week and I said I'm I'm
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  not going to do content anymore. This is way too much.
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  I'm just going to focus on growing the company.
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  I'm on the road 6 months out of the year, so I take a three
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  month break, which is something they tell you should never do,
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  but I took it off. I'm like, listen, I'm not trying
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  to be famous. There's got to be a motive
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  behind it. And then when we had a meeting,
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  I said, guys, if we're going to start this again, I'm only doing
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  it because we're going to start a media company.
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  So Valuetainment, let's see, let's name it Valuetainment.
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  I'm like, I bet no one has ever thought about valuetainment.com.
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  So we'll go to valuetainment.com.
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  We find that it's a publicly traded company.
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  I contacted the CEO, Dirk from Germany.
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  I said I'd love to buy your domain.
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  He says, I'm on the stock market, I'm not selling it to
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  you. Three years later, we buy the
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  domain. He changes his company's name to
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  value TS. And then I said, let's go
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  compete in the marketplace and see if there's a audience for
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  the way we present our argument and the way we view things.
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  And then gradually we saw that we can compete in the
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  marketplace. And the moment you realize you
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  can't compete in the marketplace from there on, you either are
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  going to stand alone and do it yourself or decide to go compete
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  and recruit talent. And we're out of phase right
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  now. While we're recruiting talent,
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  we're talking to pretty much everybody.
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  I made a offer, I think it was two months ago or something to
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  Tucker Carlson, $400 million. He declined.
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  I think he's starting his own media company.
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  But the point is we're going after everybody.
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  We're we, we want to compete in the marketplace.
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  We feel when we put every media company on the board and we size
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  everybody up, we feel we have an edge and a style that others
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  don't have. And we feel we're going to play
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  a big role in restoring and protecting America, making sure
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  America stays as the greatest country in the world.
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  Every morning when I wake up, I pour myself a cup of seven weeks
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  coffee. Well, actually, my husband
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  usually makes me a cup of seven weeks coffee and I drink it
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  every morning. Seven Weeks Coffee is a pro-life
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  That's the name Seven Weeks Coffee.
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  But what's so cool about 7 weeks coffee is that they donate 10%
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  not of their profits, but 10% of the total sale of their coffee
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  a Yelp except better. So you can go to
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  So you can stop buying from companies that hate your values
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  and start buying from companies and supporting companies that
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  support and love and share your values.
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  We are beginning to use Every Life diapers.
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  other pro-life organizations. That's every life.com.
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  Check out Public Square, check out Every Life.
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  They are awesome. So media is terribly biased.
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  I know you see this and it's probably one of the things that
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  keeps you up at night about how are we going to fight back
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  against the lies coming from the media?
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  You know, working in the Pearlif space over the last decade and a
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  half, I've just seen the incessant misinformation,
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  disinformation that's attacking family values, attacking, you
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  could call them conservative principles, but ultimately
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  attacking human dignity and families.
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  And So what? How do you see the landscape
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  with all of the, you know, Rolling Stone, Vice, you know,
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  the mainstream networks, the big three networks, you know,
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  historically have been so biased.
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  MSNBCCNNI mean, there's so much bias and quite frankly, nonsense
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  coming out of these companies. How do you see the landscape
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  changing in media? It has already changed a lot in
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  the last decade plus. How do you see it changing in
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  the next decade? Listen, media has made it easy
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  for us and I'll explain to you why this is the lowest approval
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  rating mainstream media and the government has in the history of
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  America. Americans trust mainstream media
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  and the government the least ever.
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  They don't know if the government has the best interest
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  and they don't trust mainstream media.
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  So all of these, you know, witch hunt lies that they keep
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  pitching and then we're like, OK, maybe it's the truth.
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  I'll buy three years that you were lying and I'll let's just
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  skip the story and go to the next one.
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  Wait a minute, you just wasted three years of my life, an
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  argument with an ex-spouse and an ex best friend, and I lost my
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  job because of you and you were lying all along.
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  You know? What the hell with you?
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  I'm not OK with that. I'm going to go follow this guy
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  named Joe who is a regular guy who wants to legalize marijuana
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  because he thinks it's OK to smoke weed after you turn 40
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  years old and after you turn a certain age.
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  I'm going to go follow this guy that's questioning everybody and
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  willing to interview people from all sides and you know what,
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  we're going to get him to beat all of you.
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  And that guys name is Joe Rogan. 11 million views he gets while a
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  number two guy was 33.2 or 2.6 or 2.1 and all of these guys
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  envious people don't you know what?
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  But Joe doesn't know what he's talking about.
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  But he's not this and he's not that, all because he threatened
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  the traditional, you know, establishment way of reading a
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  teleprompter and saying, hey, if we can't tell that you're
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  reading something, you're a mouthpiece for everybody.
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  And then when they go and try to do their own podcasts on their
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  own, they fail because they realize what you're doing right
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  now. This is not easy.
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  Easily love what you're doing. You don't have a teleprompter.
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  You're asking me questions and we're going back and forth.
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  I have to be ready to give an answer to you.
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  And then the market filters all the robots out.
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  So let's filter out the robots that are literally just reading
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  something because they went to Columbia University or Brown or
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  one of these pro establishment places that places people into
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  these companies and they recruit from there.
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  And all of a sudden they're famous.
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  They're part of the same country clubs, they're part of the same
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  groups and places that they go to, but they're robots.
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  So let's set aside the robots. America has exposed the robots
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  and they prefer listening to the Joe Rogan type of guys that are
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  out there that are doing what they're doing with Joe being the
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  GOAT. Now, the other part of it is a
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  part that certain people are Democrats or Republicans or
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  independent or libertarian or atheist or Christian or Muslim
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  or Catholic because your parents were.
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  So, for example, if you're Armenian and you know, when I
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  was 14 years old, I came home from school and it was the first
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  time teachers talking about Republicans, Democrats,
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  independent. I asked my mom, mom, are we
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  Republicans or Democrats? And she's an Armenian mother,
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  and she says we're Democrats. OK, cool.
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  Why are we Democrats? Because Democrats are for the
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  poor and Republicans are for the rich.
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  And I tell my mom you know what I can't wait to grow up to be a
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  Republican one day. She says no you don't want to do
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  that. As a mom I hate being poor.
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  I'm so sick of being poor. You and dad got divorced twice.
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  I hate the fact that he guys always bitching and complaining
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  about being poor and not having money and I couldn't go to a
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  YMCA. You couldn't afford to pay 1350
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  a month mom. You could afford to pay $13.50 a
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  month for your son who is 6/4 fast.
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  I could never participate in anything because I was, I was
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  always working after school because we didn't have money.
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  Yeah. I want to grow up to be wealthy
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  one day. I don't want to be poor.
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  And I don't want these people to feel sorry for me.
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  And then that evolution. So some people are Democrats
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  because they're black, they're Armenian, they're Assyrian, or
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  they're Hispanic. And hey, Jorge Ramos, you know,
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  you got to be because he's this and OK, cool.
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  I followed the herd. You know, it's what I got to do.
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  And hey, you're military, you're this, you're that.
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  So you're a Republican or hey, we smoke weed and we're this, or
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  maybe we're libertarian. We're independent, kind of leave
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  us alone. And then all of a sudden you get
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  to an age and you go into free marketplace and you start
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  competing and a guy gets a promotion over, you're like, I
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  don't know if I really like that.
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  And you're like, hey, we're paying this much money towards
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  Social Security. Why?
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  I'm never going to get that money.
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  And they're probably going to raise the age of 75 one day.
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  I'm never going to participate. Why am I paying into something
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  that I'm never going to see? And you start asking these
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  questions like, I don't know if this is cool.
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  I don't know if I like it. So now people are sitting there
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  and saying, you know what, politically this never mattered
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  to me. But now it's a 35 year old,
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  let's just say woman who's got 2-3 kids.
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  I have to really start, Hey, honey, what's going on here with
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  school? Why are we, why are they
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  teaching this kind of stuff? What's going on with California?
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  What's in California, the greatest, greatest place on
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  earth? Isn't it the second or the fifth
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  biggest economy in the world? Because Newsom keeps saying we
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  are. So aren't we supposed to be the
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  best? So the, the part about
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  mainstream media and social media and independent voices,
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  all of these manipulative, divisive people are getting
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  exposed. And many other people are
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  sitting there saying, I took the vaccine.
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  You told me to take it because it was safe.
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  I took it. Not only did I take in my wife,
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  also took in my kids. Let's just say a person saying
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  that, right? But you know what?
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  Now I'm seeing all the results. Why'd you make me do it?
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  Why'd you tell me? If I don't take it, I'm going to
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  get fired? People are now pushing back.
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  And unfortunately, it's going to be very ugly for these guys the
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  next 5-10, fifteen, 20 years. Well, it's been the power of
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  social media and the Internet era is that people now anybody
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  can create a platform for themselves.
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  And so you have this real competition happening between
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  people that can actually think critically and share original
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  thoughts or share critical thoughts about what's happening
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  in the world. And so there's this big
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  interruption happening in media where you have newcomers that
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  before didn't have a chance because they didn't have maybe
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  the connections or the pre-existing platforms.
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  What do you think? How do we compete, Patrick, with
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  Disney Plus, with Netflix, you know, with these huge Amazon
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  Prime, right? These huge companies that really
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  are controlled by ideologues who are very pro, you could say
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  woke, but against ultimately family values.
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  What does it look like to become as big and bigger than those
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  tremendously influential companies?
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  Great question. I'll I'll tell you who I blame.
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  I'll tell you who I blame for where America is today.
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  And a lot of people get upset when I say this and I'm, I'm
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  sticking to it. So you can get as upset as you
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  want. I blame the tolerant Christians
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  and the conservatives. So whether you're a Catholic,
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  you're a seven day, you're a Jehovah, you're a, you know,
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  Presbyterian or non denominational or Mormon, it
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  doesn't matter what you are. Mormon's actually the most
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  intolerant in this area, which I respect them.
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  But the tolerant Christians that are like, oh, it's OK, Oh, it's
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  OK. You know, you got to turn your
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  cheek and you got to be this and you got to be that and you got
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  to be that. No, they're tolerant and you
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  heard America Second community is the lazy and scared
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  Republican conservatives. Why them?
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  Because most Republicans or conservatives who get their
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  money, they're like, look, don't tell anybody we have money.
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  Let's just kind of live in this community, go to the Country
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  Club and do our own thing and don't say the wrong thing.
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  And let's act like we're OK because God forbid if they find
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  out, we may get some negative reviews and we may not get
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  invited to the party. So let's just kind of fake it
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  guys. And you know, let's not be too
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  overzealous about our faith and our release and all this stuff.
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  You're the problem or or the scared while the progressives
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  are sitting on the other side saying buy up all the media
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  companies, Mark Benihoff, Time magazine, buy up all the media
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  companies, Jeff Bezos, Wapo, buy up all the media companies for
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  Forbes magazine. Used to be on the capitalist
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  side, now 95% of Chinese owns it and they make woman of the year,
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  International Woman of the year in 2021 as Hillary Clinton and
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  now somebody else bought it for $800 million.
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  Politically is going to go the other side.
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  There is no conservative business magazine left.
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  None. Not them, not Fortune, not ink,
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  not any of these guys. Everything is being written by
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  liberal journalists who have never ran a business for
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  themselves. And they're trying to tell
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  everybody else how to run a company, get everybody to work
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  from home. Why?
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  Because a lazy, scared Republicans, conservatives
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  didn't put their money in the right place.
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  They made more investments to a passive income so they can just
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  kind of live their lives. And last but not least, I blame
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  the do your thing libertarians, which is like, who cares?
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  Let him do it. To each his own, to each his
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  own, to each his own. Well, guess what?
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  You know what's happened the last 10 years with all this
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  nonsense? Tolerant, lazy, scared, do your
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  thing philosophies that many of us have embraced.
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  The other side is saying no way, I'm going to go out there and
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  persuade and manipulate your kids.
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  I'm going to get your kids to believe in my philosophies and
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  divide your kids against you and you're not even going to know
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  it. I'm going to be so smooth about
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  it where all of a sudden it's too late.
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  One of my guys that work for me, AC Suite executive, him and his
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  daughter were like this. He spends $200,000 sick to send
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  to school, send his daughter to the school in Chicago.
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  I won't name it but goes to the school.
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  He says every year my daughter came back she hated me more
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  second year, more third year. All she would call me is how
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  could you be such a greedy capitalist to vote for such and
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  such person. He says after the 4th year my
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  daughter never came back home. She went straight to California.
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  I lost my daughter. So let me get this straight.
• 17:33
  I spent $200,000, gave it to an institution that doesn't pay
• 17:38
  taxes on it, and it's got a cash cow of an endowment they're
• 17:42
  sitting on so they can steal my daughter away from me.
• 17:45
  That doesn't mean it's permanent, but I may have lost
• 17:48
  my daughter with me for 10 years.
• 17:49
  That's 10 years. If I'm 50 years old, I lost 10
• 17:52
  years, only got 30 more years with my daughter.
• 17:55
  Those 10 years, are you 10 years?
• 17:56
  I'll never get back again. So people are now sitting there
• 18:00
  saying, holy, you know what? We made a mistake.
• 18:02
  What are we going to do about it now?
• 18:03
  Now people are waking up and competing.
• 18:05
  So now you're talking about Disney and Netflix and all these
• 18:07
  guys. You saw Ron Perlman calling out,
• 18:10
  you know, Bob Iger indirectly. Hey, you $27 million.
• 18:14
  How do you know it's Bob Iger? Go Google Bob Iger's salary 2022
• 18:17
  when he came back as 27,000,000 a year.
• 18:19
  So he's calling out him because Bob Iger's like, look, you know,
• 18:22
  they're going to realize this is not going to work.
• 18:24
  So the same people that were against the rest of us are now
• 18:26
  fighting against each other because they're eating each
• 18:28
  other up and they're going to go through it.
• 18:30
  Now for everybody else that says I want something to happen about
• 18:34
  this, when a conservative media company starts a company and
• 18:39
  asks for monthly membership, don't say oh, it's too much
• 18:43
  while you're spending. On average, we're all paying on
• 18:46
  a monthly basis. The average subscription dollar
• 18:49
  amount we spend on a monthly basis is 272 a month, $272 a
• 18:53
  month. The way those families, those
• 18:56
  mothers, those fathers, those concerned citizens that don't
• 19:00
  like the direction Disney, Netflix, all these companies are
• 19:02
  going. When you get a chance to support
• 19:05
  another company that you believe in, that you trust them and they
• 19:08
  need some resources to up raise capital, to go produce movies
• 19:11
  that are better stories that are telling a different angle of
• 19:14
  what's going on in America, help support them.
• 19:17
  Don't be the same person that's supporting all the people you
• 19:20
  don't like yet you're bitching about the fact that the other
• 19:22
  guys are asking for 19 bucks money.
• 19:24
  Like no, no, no, no, no, I'm not going to support that.
• 19:26
  So again, it goes back to the same people that have hurt
• 19:29
  America have to kind of get in there and also help support the
• 19:32
  other guys. I want to compete against the
• 19:34
  enemy. Totally.
• 19:36
  I mean, it takes big courage and initiative and risk to go out
• 19:39
  there and start a company and then a tons of sweat, blood and
• 19:43
  tear tears to go out and build that company.
• 19:46
  And you're doing it for values and you're doing it to offer
• 19:48
  something new in the market. But it's like, what can everyday
• 19:50
  people do who see the problem, who see the bias?
• 19:52
  You see the cultured around us decaying.
• 19:55
  Help those companies grow, you know, be part of those
• 19:58
  companies, but you know, be clients, patrons of those
• 20:01
  companies. Buy from those companies.
• 20:03
  Why are we putting our kids for hours in front of Disney Plus,
• 20:08
  in front of these TV shows and these YouTube shows that are
• 20:12
  ultimately maybe some of it seems harmless, but they're
• 20:15
  being run by people that totally are opposed to your values.
• 20:19
  And now they have your kids attention and loyalty.
• 20:22
  You know, you talk about the school system and schools that,
• 20:24
  you know, teach children. Children the wrong thing.
• 20:26
  Well, what about even the cartoons we put our kids in
• 20:28
  front of? So it's such a needed thing.
• 20:30
  What was the what recommendation would you give Patrick, you're
• 20:34
  talking to people. First of all, it's everyday
• 20:35
  people help these companies out, right?
• 20:37
  You know, look at conservative companies, you know, go, go be
• 20:40
  part of them. But what about people that want
• 20:41
  to start new initiatives? What's your recommendation for
• 20:45
  everyday people who are thinking about whom I want to take a
• 20:47
  risk. I want to do something, but it's
• 20:49
  a risk. And so how do you how do you
• 20:51
  calculate risks? How do you take risks?
• 20:53
  It's so funny you're asking us. You're talking about from the
• 20:54
  media that if somebody wants to go out there and share their
• 20:57
  thoughts with the with the public, how to start it?
• 20:58
  Is that the question? Yeah.
• 21:00
  How do you start? I mean, so for, you know, my
• 21:02
  background, my podcast, Live Action, you know, we've been
• 21:05
  growing. I just started a company, GTB
• 21:06
  Media. So we're out there taking our
• 21:08
  risks and there's a lot of thought that goes into that.
• 21:10
  But for everyday people who are thinking, yeah, I want to get in
• 21:14
  the fight here, but what does it take to start a business?
• 21:17
  There's so many unknowns. So what's your advice to them?
• 21:19
  Great. Question number one, if somebody
• 21:20
  says, well, I'm not the person that's going to get on camera,
• 21:22
  Leela, that's your job, no problem.
• 21:23
  Support Leela, start off by saying how can I help?
• 21:27
  Is there an account I can pay 2050 a $100 a month, $10 a
• 21:30
  month. Is there a way for me to do
• 21:31
  that? Is there things that I can do to
• 21:33
  be a member of your YouTube channel?
• 21:34
  So I'm paying 5 bucks a month, 10 bucks a month.
• 21:37
  Is there if there are ways to do that, that's the lowest way.
• 21:39
  So I don't have a lot of money. I only make $3500 a month.
• 21:41
  You can support in that way. Now if it's a person that's
• 21:43
  saying actually want to create content, no problem.
• 21:45
  You can either write, talk or video.
• 21:48
  It's one of those 3. So if you're a good writer,
• 21:50
  write about it. If you're somebody that's got a
• 21:52
  good voice, talk about it and set it up on a podcast.
• 21:55
  If you're comfortable being on camera and talking about it and
• 21:58
  writing about it, do video, do YouTube, Spotify, where you're,
• 22:02
  you know, presenting in the way that you're doing now.
• 22:05
  When you do, you're going to realize whether you have what it
• 22:07
  takes to actually create content.
• 22:09
  I remember when we started, I'm like, I don't know if we have
• 22:11
  the goodies and there's a market for how we present and what our
• 22:14
  arguments are, all of us. And we're like, we barely got to
• 22:17
  200 Subs. We got to 1000 Subs.
• 22:20
  Interesting. 1000 people. OK, boom.
• 22:22
  Hey dad, are you subscribed? No, even my dad's not subscribed
• 22:25
  yet. So interesting.
• 22:26
  So these people are not necessarily people that are your
• 22:28
  friends and family. Hey, we got to 5010 thousand,
• 22:31
  20,100 thousand. OK, maybe there's an audience
• 22:33
  for what we're doing, right? And you kind of starting to see
• 22:37
  your style now. Person I was talking to the
• 22:38
  other day on, you know how people are afraid to go out
• 22:42
  there and talk about it because if you don't, the enemy is
• 22:45
  somebody said, well, Pat, what do I do?
• 22:47
  I'm an executive making a couple $100,000 a year.
• 22:49
  I'm working for a company you're very aware of, but I worry if
• 22:52
  I'm too public about my opinions, I may get fired.
• 22:54
  And he's right. I said, OK, if you're that
• 22:56
  afraid of what's going to happen and you have a wife and three
• 23:00
  kids you're supporting, you got a family you're supporting, your
• 23:03
  bills are 15 grand a month, 10 grand a month, 20 grand a month.
• 23:06
  You can still create a fake pseudo name.
• 23:09
  You can create a burner account. That's what lives of TikTok did.
• 23:12
  That's what a lot of great authors of books did.
• 23:15
  They started writing a book that was so controversial, but they
• 23:17
  didn't use their pen name. They use somebody elses name,
• 23:20
  they use a name that they make. You can start that and then 5-10
• 23:23
  years. So I'm like, who is behind that
• 23:24
  thing? Who is this person?
• 23:26
  And all of a sudden, hello, it's me.
• 23:28
  All along I've been the one that's been doing it and now
• 23:31
  I'm, you know, comfortable coming out essentially and
• 23:34
  talking about exactly what my views are.
• 23:36
  Oh wow, that's the guy, that's the girl.
• 23:38
  Very interesting. But there's levels.
• 23:40
  Now, if you want to go to a whole different level, you get
• 23:42
  to choose to raise money and compete yourself or you team up
• 23:45
  with somebody. For example, Tucker chose to
• 23:47
  take his talents to Twitter. OK, you see Jordan Peterson went
• 23:51
  to Daily Wire. You see some of these guys are
• 23:54
  going and taking their talents elsewhere rather than not
• 23:57
  wanting to do the day-to-day operation technology support,
• 23:59
  producing, cutting, editing, title, thumbnail.
• 24:02
  Some people don't want to do that, no problem.
• 24:05
  So it it all depends on what the levels it is that you want to do
• 24:08
  this with. They definitely don't want
• 24:09
  people unifying and running together.
• 24:12
  The enemy would much rather have everybody be divided because
• 24:14
  you're weaker. But if people team up together,
• 24:17
  it's going to be tough to go against a formidable opponent
• 24:20
  like that. So it all depends on what your
• 24:21
  vision is. I think that's such a good
• 24:24
  point. We need new institutions because
• 24:26
  we're up against these massive institutions, these businesses
• 24:30
  that are running the world really and influencing millions,
• 24:33
  hundreds and hundreds of millions of people.
• 24:35
  And so we need to team up and create institutions.
• 24:37
  That's part of my vision behind GTB Media.
• 24:39
  I know it's behind value tainment for you and so many of
• 24:41
  these other new institutions that are being built, that are
• 24:44
  already built, that are growing. Because if it's just one guy on
• 24:48
  YouTube here, one guy on YouTube here, one guy on, you know,
• 24:50
  Twitter here, how much, how much influence is that going to be in
• 24:54
  the end? So it's such a good point.
• 24:56
  And I liked what she said about, you know, if you're anonymous,
• 24:58
  start anonymously. You know, if you've got a job,
• 25:00
  you're protecting for now. I, I interviewed Dr. Miriam
• 25:03
  Grossman recently. I don't know if you've seen her
• 25:05
  stuff, but she's been huge about encouraging and, and teaching
• 25:09
  parents of kids, vulnerable kids how to navigate the transgender
• 25:12
  madness. She's a psychiatrist.
• 25:14
  But you know, a decade ago, when I first met her, she was writing
• 25:16
  under the name Anonymous MD. She literally wrote a book
• 25:20
  anonymously, had it published, reached tons of people, and now
• 25:24
  she's out, you know, out there and outspoken.
• 25:26
  She's in the position to do that.
• 25:27
  So, you know, everybody's story is going to be a little bit
• 25:29
  different. One thing I love about your
• 25:31
  stuff, Patrick, as you've got, you know, you're multi talented.
• 25:34
  You're a really good interviewer.
• 25:35
  I was watching some of your stuff.
• 25:37
  You do these amazing interviews with these leaders.
• 25:39
  And I watched your interview with Kobe Bryant.
• 25:42
  You know, I think it was just weeks before his tragic passing.
• 25:45
  What was that like interviewing Kobe?
• 25:47
  So Kobe and I are six weeks apart.
• 25:49
  He's born, I believe, August 23rd, 78, born October 18, 1978.
• 25:54
  So to me, you know, I, I always saw him as I'm in the insurance
• 25:57
  space. There is no Sports Center
• 25:58
  talking about who did well in insurance today.
• 26:00
  It's a boring industry. Nobody follows the insurance
• 26:02
  industry. And he's in a very public
• 26:05
  competitive space, which is basketball.
• 26:07
  There's entertainment behind it. But I kind of followed his
• 26:10
  career very early on when he came to the Lakers, you know,
• 26:12
  when they traded him for Vlada Divac.
• 26:14
  And being an LA guy, me and my dad used to watch him all the
• 26:18
  time. So, but eventually when we
• 26:20
  brought him to the event and we did the interview and prior to
• 26:23
  the interview, we're sitting there talking to each other,
• 26:24
  it's interesting what questions he would ask.
• 26:26
  He said, so you get nervous behind these types of things.
• 26:28
  I said, no, I'm, I'm good. I've done a lot of this.
• 26:31
  He says, yeah, me neither. I've done a lot.
• 26:32
  I know. I said, yeah, I know you've done
• 26:33
  a lot of these. And then I saw a probably 75
• 26:37
  year old lady, Caucasian lady came in, said, hey, Kobe,
• 26:42
  haven't seen you for the longest time.
• 26:44
  And it was interesting watching how she viewed him and how he
• 26:48
  viewed her and they hugged each other was like his grandmother
• 26:52
  and how gentle he was and how we talked to my boys, Dylan and him
• 26:56
  having a conversation or him talking to my wife for 15
• 26:59
  minutes. I just like stuff like that
• 27:00
  where you got a killer instinct side of you when you're
• 27:03
  competing, you're a whole different human being.
• 27:05
  And then all of a sudden, you know how to turn it off and just
• 27:08
  talk to people and be a human being.
• 27:09
  That was a part about Kobe. We had a great time and we were
• 27:12
  looking forward to doing other things together.
• 27:14
  And then all of a sudden, the tragic event takes place and
• 27:16
  we're all sitting somewhere, everybody members of Kobe
• 27:18
  Bryant. I know exactly what restaurant I
• 27:20
  was at and who was sitting where and what the reaction was.
• 27:22
  And none of us believed that. We all thought it was fake.
• 27:24
  And they're like, no, Fox and CNN just reported Kobe Bryant
• 27:28
  died in a helicopter. It was wild.
• 27:30
  But yes, look, in sports, there's only been one person
• 27:34
  that's died that the entire world stopped, only one where it
• 27:38
  was a crash and that's Kobe Bryant.
• 27:41
  I'm a big Ironton Senna guy, named my daughter Senna after
• 27:44
  the race car driver, and that was tragic, but it was a, you
• 27:48
  know, Formula One audience. When Kobe passed away, everybody
• 27:51
  stopped and couldn't believe what happened.
• 27:53
  Well, it was so amazing how your interview was so shortly before
• 27:56
  his passing and that you got that time with him and, and now
• 28:00
  people can look at that and see where he was thinking, where his
• 28:02
  head was at, you know, what his thoughts were before, before we
• 28:06
  lost him. How do you prepare for your
• 28:08
  interviews? What is your your strategy and
• 28:10
  what's your recommendation for podcasters, Youtubers, people
• 28:13
  getting into the space when they're doing interviews?
• 28:16
  That's a good question. So let's just say if I'm
• 28:19
  preparing to interview you, I would watch your top 2-3
• 28:22
  interviews and I would ask questions that were not asked
• 28:26
  because if you're asking questions that's been asked, the
• 28:28
  interviewee is kind of like I've answered that thing 5060 times,
• 28:31
  you know, can we get an angle that that question hasn't been
• 28:34
  asked? And then I'm also asking
• 28:36
  questions that I think the audience wants to know.
• 28:39
  You know, it's, it's a, you know, when I asked the question
• 28:41
  of Kobe that caused the interview to be picked, every
• 28:44
  media outlet emailed us within a 30 minute period asking us to
• 28:48
  use the clip. When I said, hey, Kobe, who
• 28:50
  would Shaq be if he had your work ethic?
• 28:52
  And he says we would have 12 rings and Shaq within 30 minutes
• 28:57
  blocks me on Instagram after sending me a message saying, why
• 28:59
  are you asking such a stupid question?
• 29:02
  Three years later, Shaq, an hour on the stage and I'm
• 29:04
  interviewing him with my son Dylan sitting right next to me
• 29:07
  in front of 10,000 people. And in the backstage he says I
• 29:09
  want to talk to you. I said what's up?
• 29:11
  He said, you know, that was a stupid question.
• 29:12
  I said, Shaq, that was not a stupid question.
• 29:14
  And we're having a friendly banter, but it's the tough
• 29:17
  questions that you can ask in a friendly way where the audience
• 29:21
  can answer it and the in the audience can be thinking about
• 29:24
  what are you going to be saying about it?
• 29:26
  And then, you know, connecting the dots with different
• 29:29
  relationships, individuals that are maybe supportive of what
• 29:33
  you're doing, maybe animosity, maybe are against what you're
• 29:36
  doing to create an angle that maybe wasn't thought about
• 29:39
  before. But the preparation, you know,
• 29:42
  when I have my notes and the way I write it with the outline and
• 29:46
  at the bottom, it's going to be questions at the tops going to
• 29:47
  be fact. Then I have 10 different topics
• 29:50
  and what questions I want to ask within the topics and the names
• 29:52
  that I want to ask you about. It's typically basic format I
• 29:55
  use. And you said something really
• 29:58
  interesting earlier. You were talking about what your
• 30:01
  motivations are, you know, speaking a little bit about your
• 30:03
  childhood and talking to your mom about how you didn't have
• 30:05
  enough food. You saw your parents stressed or
• 30:07
  you didn't have enough money. You saw your parents stressed
• 30:09
  and divorcing and then getting back together again, which in
• 30:12
  and of itself is it was crazy, you know, that that happened.
• 30:15
  But it's amazing they got back together.
• 30:16
  But then you shared that this motivated you or you felt
• 30:19
  passionate about. You didn't want to be poor, You
• 30:22
  wanted to be rich. And so you went on.
• 30:24
  You're doing that. You're building these companies.
• 30:27
  You know, you've always been aggressive in business.
• 30:29
  How do you know when to turn it off?
• 30:31
  Because there's always more. You can always make more, do
• 30:34
  more. But you've got 4 kids, you've
• 30:36
  got a wife, you've got your values.
• 30:38
  How do you know when to turn it off?
• 30:40
  I'm literally on all the time. So even if I'm with my kids, I'm
• 30:44
  on with them. If I'm with my wife, I'm on with
• 30:46
  her. If I'm with my appears at a
• 30:49
  cigar lounge at midnight, I'm on with you and we're having a real
• 30:52
  conversation. Like some of the best podcasts
• 30:53
  I've ever ran have never been recorded and they were at one
• 30:56
  2:00 in the morning when we're having a great time.
• 30:58
  If I'm with my trainer, I'm on with them.
• 30:59
  As much as he annoys the hell out of me, that's kicking my
• 31:02
  ass. But I have to be on with them
• 31:04
  when we're training early in the morning.
• 31:05
  No, I'm typically on. If I'm with you, I'm paying
• 31:08
  attention to you. If you and I are having a
• 31:10
  conversation together, lunch meeting, I'm with you.
• 31:12
  I'm 100% listen to what you got to say, but but let me let me
• 31:16
  kind of take a different angle for what you're saying here for
• 31:18
  me. You know, today we had Dave
• 31:21
  Rubin on and we did a live podcast and, and the
• 31:23
  conversation came about a question where I said, OK, we
• 31:27
  got all these candidates right now, right?
• 31:29
  We got Donald Trump, we got DeSantis, we got Biden, we got
• 31:32
  Newsome, We got let's put Newsome in there.
• 31:35
  Let's put RFK in there. Let's put Vivek in there.
• 31:38
  Let's put Pence in there. Let's put Christie in there,
• 31:40
  Marianne Williamson, let's put all these guys in there.
• 31:42
  I said, can you tell me out of all these people who's had the
• 31:45
  hardest life? Like, you know how everything is
• 31:48
  about? There's levels to the game, Like
• 31:50
  there's levels to how attractive you are, right?
• 31:53
  You know, you're the best looking guy or girl at you know,
• 31:57
  you know your class, then you're the best looking girl in your,
• 32:00
  you know, 10th grade, then you're the best looking girl,
• 32:03
  then you're the prom queen. Then you're the best looking
• 32:06
  girl of your city, then your state, then your Miss America,
• 32:10
  right? Or basketball.
• 32:11
  You're the best high school, you know, basketball player, then
• 32:14
  it's college, then it's this, but there's level and then your
• 32:17
  MVP and then you're, you know, the greatest of all time.
• 32:19
  Mount Rushmore, you're Michael Jordan.
• 32:21
  There's also levels to how hard of a life you've lived.
• 32:24
  Almost everybody you ask about their life, most people will
• 32:27
  somehow like to sell others that their life's been hard, right?
• 32:30
  Well, you don't know what I experienced as a kid.
• 32:33
  You know, I went through this. Well, you know, I was bullied.
• 32:35
  Well, you know, I was this, you know, my parents this.
• 32:37
  And OK, so I look at these candidates and I say, who's had
• 32:43
  the easiest life and who's had the hardest life?
• 32:46
  Who's been in the most chaotic situation?
• 32:48
  Who's created it? Who likes it?
• 32:51
  Who feeds it? Who fears it, right?
• 32:54
  Why is RFK with a broken voice getting so much momentum?
• 33:00
  I. Was just thinking about that the
• 33:02
  other day. Why is he creating much
• 33:04
  momentum? It's because someone killed his
• 33:09
  dad and he became a heroin addict for 14 years.
• 33:11
  At 28 years old he openly talks about it.
• 33:14
  Someone killed his uncle. They, they try to eliminate his
• 33:17
  last name, Kennedy and this guy who was not the one they looked
• 33:22
  at saying this guy's going to do something big with his life
• 33:24
  because you know, he was, you know what he was, he was kind of
• 33:26
  like on his own. And then all of a sudden, years
• 33:29
  later when COVID happens, he's he's so much wants to protect
• 33:34
  what the establishment did to his family.
• 33:37
  His dad, he carries his dad's name, RFK Junior.
• 33:40
  RFK got killed. His uncle got killed.
• 33:43
  A president. How many more Kennedys got
• 33:46
  killed? What happened to them?
• 33:47
  Right? So why is he not bothered?
• 33:50
  Why when people call him out, why is he still going?
• 33:53
  You're 74 years old. Why are you doing this?
• 33:56
  See, at that level, it's not about I want to have a better
• 33:58
  house in Maine or I want to be in a better community.
• 34:00
  I want to be with another attractive girl.
• 34:03
  None of that stuff matters. There is a deep crusade cause
• 34:07
  correcting an injustice that he's been simmering on for
• 34:11
  decades. This isn't something he wants to
• 34:14
  do. This is something he has to do.
• 34:16
  In every generation, Leela, there's going to be certain
• 34:19
  people that want to write a best selling book.
• 34:25
  RFK doesn't care if he writes a best selling book.
• 34:28
  RFK wrote a book that's got 30,000 reviews on Amazon.
• 34:32
  I don't know how many millions of copies it's sold, but it's in
• 34:34
  the millions. And it never became a New York
• 34:37
  Times bestseller because he called that Anthony Fauci on on
• 34:40
  Amazon. It was #1 I don't know for how
• 34:42
  many weeks it was when you read the book.
• 34:45
  And all the real are the sources at the NR put.
• 34:47
  And nobody questioned it. Nobody questioned and nobody
• 34:51
  even brought up the book in mainstream media.
• 34:53
  And now how many thousands of hours he prepared for that book?
• 34:57
  Probably many. Why?
• 35:00
  Because this guy's got a real enemy he's going after.
• 35:02
  I'm writing a book. I just finished a book that's
• 35:04
  coming out December 5th of this year.
• 35:07
  Yeah, I think even if you wanted to buy it right now, you
• 35:09
  couldn't. So I'm not promoting the book.
• 35:10
  I'm just sharing with you what the title is.
• 35:12
  The last one was called Your Next 5 Moves.
• 35:14
  I wrote that with Simon and Schuster became a number on Wall
• 35:17
  Street Journal bestseller. It sold over half a million
• 35:19
  copies. It's a strategic move, but
• 35:21
  strategic book. But this one is called Choose
• 35:23
  Your Enemies Wisely. I've learned over time of seeing
• 35:30
  people that are able to last longer.
• 35:33
  They have stamina, they have endurance, they can endure more
• 35:36
  pain. They're constantly out working
• 35:39
  out, improving, out strategizing.
• 35:42
  These people have chosen their enemies very wisely, K Some of
• 35:46
  their enemies are exes. It doesn't take long to win that
• 35:50
  race. You know, you just have to stay
• 35:52
  in shape, make more money, marry a better person, be happy you
• 35:55
  beat your ex. So it's not like a great big
• 35:58
  enemy. Some enemies are an ideology.
• 36:02
  It could be a stereotype that's linked to your last name, to
• 36:04
  your heritage, to your community.
• 36:06
  Some it's political. But those who go above and
• 36:10
  beyond, like a guy like Elon Musk, his enemies are very, very
• 36:14
  big enemies. Most people don't have big
• 36:16
  enemies. Most people have small enemies
• 36:17
  that they eventually slow down. I'm making 80 grandeur, I'm
• 36:20
  happy. I'm making Toronto Grande.
• 36:22
  I'm a doctor, I'm happy. Oh, I got this.
• 36:23
  I'm happy. Half the battle in life, when
• 36:26
  you watch these people that we admire who don't stop, they're
• 36:30
  just better at choosing their enemies than the rest of the
• 36:32
  people are. That's such a good point.
• 36:35
  And they care, right? I mean, you mentioned RFK and
• 36:38
  he, he, he cares. I mean, I was listening to his
• 36:41
  recent Joe Rogan interview. Fascinating.
• 36:43
  Highly recommend. And I had that same thought that
• 36:45
  you were just describing Patrick.
• 36:47
  Why? You know, he's this older
• 36:48
  gentleman. He's got this voice issue.
• 36:50
  You know, he's got all the money, all the fame, He's
• 36:52
  already got all the connections. He doesn't need to be doing what
• 36:54
  he's doing, but he sees the crisis.
• 36:58
  You know, kids, it's for the kids, he said.
• 36:59
  And you know, that's my passion. I know you care deeply about
• 37:02
  that. Our children are everything of
• 37:03
  the future. And when there are forces that
• 37:05
  are just, they do not care about your children or they're
• 37:08
  actively harming your children, you got to get in the fight.
• 37:12
  Another interview you did recently that I thought was so
• 37:16
  powerful. But I want to get your take on
• 37:19
  this. You know, you've done a lot of
• 37:20
  interviews. You sat down with the tape
• 37:22
  brothers. You sat down with the tape
• 37:24
  brothers. You talked to them and I want to
• 37:26
  get your take on this because I think this is one of the big
• 37:29
  questions. You know this, you know, the
• 37:31
  tape brothers are the Romanian authorities are going after
• 37:34
  them. People know the story.
• 37:35
  They have these influencers. They have this voice that
• 37:37
  they're, you know, they're, they're speaking out for men,
• 37:39
  you know, advocating, saying men need to do better.
• 37:42
  And you know, but they're, they're not for monogamy.
• 37:44
  I think this is a something that there's a ongoing debate about.
• 37:50
  You are family man. You are think faithfully married
• 37:53
  to your wife. You've got 4 beautiful kids.
• 37:55
  You're you've chosen your path, but it's not the path that the
• 37:59
  Tates are recommending. What's what is your take on
• 38:02
  that? Why do you think that is?
• 38:03
  And how can we what? What's the right message for
• 38:06
  young men? I think that's fair.
• 38:07
  So you're, you're judging me based on me at 44?
• 38:11
  The 22 year old Pat didn't believe in monogamy.
• 38:14
  The the 22 year old Pat didn't even have one girlfriend.
• 38:16
  The the 20 year old Pat in the military had four girlfriends.
• 38:20
  I was not a guy that believed in God.
• 38:23
  I was an atheist. I didn't believe in God because
• 38:25
  my life was so chaotic. Seeing what I lived.
• 38:28
  I'm like, there's no way a God exists.
• 38:30
  I was 18 years old. September of 1997.
• 38:36
  Yeah, I score a certain PT score.
• 38:38
  So three of us from our unit were able to get away for summer
• 38:41
  camp to be with this Christian pastor.
• 38:42
  And I'm like, I'm not going to go with a Christian pastor, but
• 38:44
  I can't wait to get away from boot camp for a weekend.
• 38:47
  So we get away and it's by a leg.
• 38:49
  So we can, you know, jump into the lake with the rope and play
• 38:52
  billiards, which I love playing billiards.
• 38:53
  And but every night we have to listen to this man, you know,
• 38:56
  read the Bible for an hour. So I would sit all the way in
• 38:57
  the back. I didn't pay attention.
• 38:59
  And I'm just being the annoying guy that's hitting the hitting
• 39:02
  the bowling. What do you call it?
• 39:03
  The billiards balls against each other like I'm juggling it and
• 39:06
  it's my way of just distracting myself.
• 39:09
  We end the entire session. This pastor comes up to me and
• 39:12
  he says, Patrick, I don't know why, but I think you need this
• 39:17
  Bible more than I do. My parents gave this to me
• 39:20
  December 24th and of 1974. It was given to me then.
• 39:26
  I want to give it to you. I said, I said listen Sir, with
• 39:28
  all due respect, trust me, this is a mistake you're making.
• 39:30
  He says, you know what I may be, but some tells me you need this
• 39:34
  book, so please take it from me. I'm like, Oh my God, this is a
• 39:37
  burden. I'm going to throw this away.
• 39:39
  Don't give it to me. You don't know my story so it
• 39:40
  gives it to me. I have the Bible till today by
• 39:43
  the way. So I leave freaking a why'd you
• 39:45
  do this to me? I didn't need something like
• 39:47
  this in my life right now. I'm like I'm already having a
• 39:49
  battle with God. Don't do this to me.
• 39:51
  I leave, I go back to my barracks and I start praying
• 39:56
  three times a day. This is my prayer God, I don't
• 40:00
  believe you exist. I think it's a fake.
• 40:02
  I think it's for for weak people.
• 40:05
  But here's what I will commit to.
• 40:07
  I'm going to pray to God I don't believe exists 3 times every
• 40:10
  day. Now let's see what happens.
• 40:11
  So I start OK. From 1997 to when I get
• 40:16
  baptized, I think it's like January of 2002.
• 40:19
  So when I get baptized, so it's like a process of me in 2002
• 40:22
  would make me what, to 23 years old?
• 40:25
  I'm the guy that went to Vegas 26 * a year.
• 40:28
  I'm the guy that single people wanted to party with.
• 40:30
  I'm that guy. I'm like, if you want to think
• 40:32
  about what that guy's, I'm that guy.
• 40:34
  And then one day I said, yeah, I'm done.
• 40:38
  And this is a family show, so I don't know if kids watch this.
• 40:41
  You know, one day my girlfriend and I, who was a drop dead
• 40:45
  gorgeous model, Hollywood, all this stuff, we're dating and I
• 40:48
  go up to her in our expedition and I say, hey, I want us to go
• 40:52
  a month without having sex. And she says, excuse me.
• 40:55
  I said I want us to go a month without having sex.
• 40:57
  So what are you talking about? I want to go a month because I
• 40:58
  want to marry you. I love you and I know you love
• 41:00
  me too. But I want to know if this is
• 41:02
  more than just sex or what it is.
• 41:04
  And I want us to go to church together.
• 41:06
  What, are you becoming religious?
• 41:07
  No, man, I don't even believe in God.
• 41:09
  I just think I need help. I don't have the manual.
• 41:11
  And whatever you recommend, let's go to.
• 41:12
  But I want to find something anyway.
• 41:14
  So we go a month. And it was awkward every Friday,
• 41:16
  Saturday night because I have a lot of room in the back seat
• 41:18
  with my truck. So I'm like, hey, it's like, no,
• 41:21
  you got to go home. You sure about this?
• 41:23
  Yeah. We got nothing to talk about.
• 41:25
  Wow, That's kind of weird. And then a month later, the
• 41:27
  relationship didn't work out. I went to church one day.
• 41:29
  She was so uncomfortable. I'm like, wow, that didn't work
• 41:31
  out. I really wanted to marry that
• 41:33
  girl, man. So that was kind of tough for me
• 41:35
  to go through. Then I lose everything.
• 41:37
  I'm at $49,000 in debt. I my car is getting report Ford
• 41:40
  Expedition by Galpin Ford. I go back to the recruiting
• 41:43
  station to say I'm going to go back into the Army because I
• 41:45
  already got pretty much three years and I did my three years
• 41:47
  of reserve. So what if I do another is 14
• 41:50
  years and I can get the retirement stuff and I'm just
• 41:52
  going to do that. And I want to be a cop because
• 41:53
  I'm a big guy and maybe I'll become a firefighter.
• 41:57
  And then in that moment I'm like, now I'm going to see
• 42:00
  what's going to happen here. So then I changed my life.
• 42:03
  I said I'm not going to drink alcohol anymore.
• 42:05
  I stopped drinking alcohol. I was like 2526 years old.
• 42:08
  I call my friends, don't call me to the club anymore.
• 42:11
  I'm not coming to Highlands, I'm not going to Garden of Eden, I'm
• 42:15
  not going to Century Club. Don't call me.
• 42:16
  They thought I was lying. I never went back 180 like this.
• 42:21
  I changed my life. So for me, when I watch people
• 42:24
  who talk about Tates in a way as if they walk on water, it's a
• 42:29
  little judge mental for people because some people tend to
• 42:33
  forget that you also made a lot of mistakes.
• 42:36
  Maybe they know their mistakes, but you've kept your mistakes
• 42:38
  hidden very well over the years and none of us know about it.
• 42:41
  Who am I to judge you now? I am a man that if you did
• 42:45
  commit a crime, you got to pay the price for it.
• 42:47
  That's kind of how law and order work.
• 42:48
  So, but that's not my job. That's the authority's job in
• 42:51
  Romania to go prove that these guys did the crime, but then go
• 42:53
  prove it already. Every month you're extending,
• 42:55
  you look like a fool. If they did, let them pay the
• 42:58
  price and go whatever term it is to do.
• 43:00
  But if they didn't, now Romanian government's going to look like
• 43:04
  a bunch of fools. Now, you know a lot of different
• 43:06
  friends of mine who constantly ask me about Tate's because
• 43:10
  we've done a couple big interviews that's done very well
• 43:12
  and I've gone viral. They'll ask me, well, Pat, what
• 43:14
  do you think about this and what do you think about that?
• 43:16
  And what do you think about this?
• 43:17
  I'll say, look, is that the way I would go make money?
• 43:20
  No. But is it illegal?
• 43:22
  I don't know if it is let the crime, you know, the the people
• 43:26
  that are doing their job do their part.
• 43:28
  I made money in a different way, but I chose a different way to
• 43:32
  make money. That's not going to be my way of
• 43:33
  making money. Am I going to sit there and
• 43:35
  expect to agree 100% what what Tate's agree on?
• 43:39
  The other day they complimented the president of Azerbaijan.
• 43:44
  I'm Armenian. Him and Tucker are doing an
• 43:46
  interview and they compliment the leader of Azerbaijan, who
• 43:51
  are destroying Armenia in many ways and Artsakh and all the
• 43:55
  mess that they're going back and forth bullying them because they
• 43:57
  have the backing of Turkey, Erdogan and Armenia doesn't
• 44:01
  really have the full backing of Putin because they're in the
• 44:04
  middle. So Putin wants to kind of
• 44:06
  protect Armenia, but at the same time he doesn't want to lose a
• 44:08
  relationship with Erdogan and Azerbaijan.
• 44:10
  So we don't agree there. Together.
• 44:13
  We are living in an era where in order for you and I to have a
• 44:17
  relationship or talk, we have to agree with 100% of things.
• 44:20
  Look, I've had on my podcast Jank You group, who's a
• 44:25
  socialist, had a great time with them.
• 44:27
  I don't agree with 80% with them politically.
• 44:30
  I've had Jeffrey Toobin, which I don't know if you know what
• 44:32
  Jeffrey Toobin is on Zoom and he got caught doing what he was
• 44:34
  doing. He worked at CNNMSNBC, the
• 44:36
  lawyer Kyle Kolinsky, Pac-Man, Sam Cedar, who you know, a lot
• 44:41
  of people said don't do it. I, I have tomorrow, today's what
• 44:45
  on Thursday, I have Anthony Weiner.
• 44:46
  I don't know if you know who Anthony Weiner is.
• 44:48
  He's going to be on podcast on Thursday.
• 44:50
  Chris Cuomo is there on Saturday.
• 44:52
  I'm not a person that doesn't want to talk to these guys
• 44:54
  because my goal isn't in order for you to be on my in podcast
• 44:59
  or be my friend or be in my presence, we have to agree 100%
• 45:03
  together. Now, I'll finish this up and
• 45:05
  I'll turn it over to you. I've interviewed criminals.
• 45:09
  I've interviewed people that have killed people.
• 45:11
  I've interviewed Italian gangsters.
• 45:13
  I've interviewed folks who were whistleblowers.
• 45:16
  I've interviewed folks who have swindled money from a lot of
• 45:19
  people and they broke the banking system and these are
• 45:22
  criminals that went to jail for it.
• 45:24
  And I'm interviewing saying, what causes you to do something
• 45:26
  so ludicrous and crazy? What?
• 45:29
  What are you doing hurting people the way you are?
• 45:30
  Because I want to find out what gets somebody to get to that
• 45:33
  point by asking certain questions that I'm interested
• 45:35
  in. So yeah, in regards to Tate's, I
• 45:39
  think we're we're playing in the slippery slope area where we
• 45:43
  expect everybody to walk on water and we want people to be
• 45:48
  more gentle with our sins, but we kind of want to be hardcore
• 45:51
  against everybody else's sins. And we there, there's a slippery
• 45:55
  slope area that I'm a little bit more innocent until proven
• 45:57
  guilty guy. I hear you.
• 46:00
  And I think that's, you know, a very fairpoint that, you know,
• 46:02
  just being judgmental of other people, kind of that fair cycle
• 46:05
  attitude is not helpful to anyone.
• 46:07
  I think the question I have is about this ongoing debate that's
• 46:10
  happening kind of in the red pill world, the trad world, you
• 46:13
  know, the feminist space about what is the right way for men
• 46:17
  and women to relate to each other.
• 46:18
  You know, that's what I'm interested in.
• 46:19
  And what's interesting about the Tate's is that they're out there
• 46:22
  with their opinions, right? They've got big opinions.
• 46:24
  They're on the Internet. You know, we all have our
• 46:26
  opinions. And one of their opinions is,
• 46:28
  you know, if you want to be a man and you want to be kind of
• 46:30
  self actualized and, you know, powerful, like these are our
• 46:34
  recommendations. So they're really given kind of
• 46:36
  like a man school for men. That's their that's their thing.
• 46:38
  And so, you know, I'm curious about you as a man, having
• 46:41
  interviewed them. And you do a lot of thought in
• 46:42
  this space. You, you lead by example.
• 46:44
  You're living your life right. What is the right message for
• 46:47
  men and for women? Quite frankly, because I think
• 46:50
  we're hold to the same ethics. I think morality is not just for
• 46:53
  men or just for women, It's for both of us, right?
• 46:55
  But what is the right message? Because there's a lot of
• 46:58
  messages coming out right now from the Tate world, from the
• 47:01
  red pill world, that if you're a high value man, you don't have
• 47:05
  to be monogamous. You can be a cheater.
• 47:07
  That's normal. You should just sort of keep
• 47:09
  going your path and be honest with people about what you're
• 47:12
  doing. But it's OK, you know, go that,
• 47:14
  go the path you want to go. What do you think's the right
• 47:16
  message? You know pearly things.
• 47:19
  Is it pearly things? I don't know if I'm saying that
• 47:20
  incorrectly or not. I.
• 47:22
  Think. She asked the question the other
• 47:24
  day on Twitter who who was a better man, a Hitler who was
• 47:29
  loyal to his wife, or MLK who cheated on his wife all the
• 47:32
  time? I don't.
• 47:33
  Think Hitler was loyal to his wife?
• 47:35
  Well I mean the whole thing history is the fact that he was
• 47:39
  more loyal than MLK was. MLK was.
• 47:41
  AI don't think we know that I, I, I I would question that
• 47:43
  statement right away, but. That's what history is written
• 47:46
  about. The 2.
• 47:46
  So it's more out there that MLK was a cheater and regularly had
• 47:51
  girls. Even when they made the movie,
• 47:53
  they exposed them as being one. It wasn't even something that
• 47:56
  liberals, conservative or anybody hides.
• 47:58
  And then you have the story of Hitler.
• 48:00
  Here's what I will say to you, the answer to this question.
• 48:03
  I have had four girlfriends before.
• 48:06
  I don't recommend it. It was the biggest headache I
• 48:08
  had in my life. I prefer to have one wife.
• 48:12
  I prefer to have one wife. Now let me give the other side.
• 48:16
  As a man, I only know what it is to be a man.
• 48:18
  I'm not somebody that's changing my mind to be somebody else.
• 48:21
  I identify as a man because God created me as a man.
• 48:23
  I'm a man, right? My wife and I will be out and
• 48:28
  I'll see somebody as a babe. She's dropped the gorgeous.
• 48:31
  Yeah, I said, babe, I think Ryan Gosling, very handsome guy.
• 48:35
  He's handsome, babe. OK, great.
• 48:37
  What do you think about we'll have that friendly conversation
• 48:39
  with both of us at the same time, I'm not a fan of, you
• 48:44
  know, posting certain certain pictures as a girl to put
• 48:46
  yourself out there because that's going to be out there all
• 48:48
  the time and it's permanent, especially nowadays.
• 48:50
  Maybe you could have gotten away with the 20 years ago.
• 48:53
  Some of us did. You can't get away with it today
• 48:56
  in regards to them saying that a man can be a cheater or you got
• 49:00
  the fresh and fit and some of these guys that are saying what
• 49:02
  they're saying. I'm not a guy that's endorsing
• 49:04
  that message. That's not my message.
• 49:06
  But at the same time, I know you are.
• 49:09
  Whoever is in your ear, even Billy Graham understood
• 49:13
  something. 40 years ago. They had a rule when they
• 49:16
  traveled, they traveled with two other men and they would room up
• 49:20
  to get in a hotel room. Why not just one man?
• 49:23
  Because they knew if it's one man, two men can agree to do
• 49:26
  something dumb and nobody will know about it.
• 49:28
  But three men, they said one of us is going to convince the
• 49:30
  other one to not do anything. Billy Graham is the GOAT when it
• 49:33
  comes down to baptisms. 210 million people he's spoken to
• 49:36
  over the years. Even he knew as a man, I best
• 49:39
  position myself in a way to make better decisions.
• 49:42
  So if your peers are all about going out to partying and, you
• 49:46
  know, doing this and cheating and you know, all this other
• 49:49
  stuff, that's what you're going to be doing.
• 49:51
  If that's a choice you want to make, that's your choice.
• 49:53
  But that comes with consequences.
• 49:54
  It's just going to come with consequences.
• 49:56
  It doesn't make me like I remember the first time I
• 49:58
  interviewed Tate, he was giving me the vibes of being Muslim and
• 50:03
  I asked him about it. I said, you know, you give me
• 50:05
  the vibes. I've been a lot of Muslim men
• 50:07
  where how to view women. I get a little bit of the vibe
• 50:12
  of when he's smirked. If you go watch the interview
• 50:14
  and then three months later he comes out saying I'm now a
• 50:17
  Muslim. I'm not saying anything about
• 50:19
  Muslims, but I've met certain Muslim men where it's like,
• 50:22
  yeah, I'm married, I'm doing this, and I got a girl on the
• 50:24
  side that was some of them. I've seen them in Armenian, in
• 50:27
  Russian, in Persian. I'm sure a lot of different in
• 50:30
  Hispanics. Sancho, Sancho, you know,
• 50:32
  there's these things that every ethnicity has, but history will
• 50:36
  tell you the more distracted you are with different options
• 50:42
  minimizes momentum. I kind of like the word that the
• 50:45
  Jeff Bezos use, regret minimization.
• 50:48
  You want to try to die with as many regrets as possible.
• 50:52
  At the same time, somehow, some way, the most powerful men in
• 50:54
  the world historically have been tempted the most.
• 50:58
  So one can sit there and say, shame on Tiger Woods.
• 51:01
  Yeah, great. You can do that and play God.
• 51:04
  Or you can also ask the question and say, well, here's a guy that
• 51:08
  became the best golfer in the world.
• 51:09
  Maybe you shouldn't get married yet if you don't think you can
• 51:11
  handle it, Maybe you can kind of pump the brakes for another 5-10
• 51:14
  years before you want to get married so you can go do your
• 51:16
  fun. These are questions that have
• 51:18
  been asked for a couple thousand years until today, the debates
• 51:22
  going to continue. But at the end of the day, the
• 51:24
  individual has to make a choice. For me, I prefer one wife.
• 51:28
  FYI, I'm not a person like when I got married and I'm giving the
• 51:32
  message in front of my entire, you know, 450 people at the
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  wedding. I said, let me give you guys a
• 51:37
  couple things here while we're getting married.
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  I got a couple requests for you guys.
• 51:40
  Number one, do not ask my wife if she's pregnant.
• 51:42
  It's not your business. We'll let you know when we're
• 51:44
  pregnant. I don't want the pressure on my
• 51:46
  wife thinking because you're like, hey, are you guys
• 51:48
  pregnant? It is something wrong with your
• 51:49
  body. You can't ask that question for
• 51:51
  my wife. If you do, you ask it.
• 51:52
  I don't have to see you again. So if you want to see us again
• 51:55
  and be invited to parties, don't ask my wife that question.
• 51:57
  Second thing, I don't know how long we'll be married.
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  I said I guarantee we'll be married for one year.
• 52:02
  What do you mean by that? Isn't it till death lose part?
• 52:05
  People can change, she can change.
• 52:07
  I can change. Life can change.
• 52:09
  A lot of things can change. We're not married for 14 years.
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  Last one was 14 years. OK.
• 52:14
  Every year we take it one year at a time.
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  Every year she has to ask how she can be a better wife.
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  I have to ask how it can be a better husband.
• 52:22
  She has to ask how to be a better mother.
• 52:23
  I have to ask how can be a better husband.
• 52:26
  That's worked for us. It's worked for us to be where
• 52:29
  we are today. We've had a pretty chaotic life.
• 52:32
  We've had four kids. We've had a lot of things we
• 52:34
  have to overcome, but it's worked for us.
• 52:37
  Would I be the person like when we went to, you know, their
• 52:40
  house and there's beautiful girls everywhere?
• 52:43
  I'm going home. You know, we have a nice
• 52:45
  conversation together. I'm going home.
• 52:48
  Why are you worried that if you stick around you can do
• 52:50
  something dumb? I'm a numbers guy and I'm a data
• 52:53
  guy. Odds are in my favor if I go to
• 52:55
  my hotel room and I just rest rather than staying there.
• 52:57
  We had a couple cigars, we had a good time.
• 52:59
  We left great conversations. We're good to go.
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  But again, people can have conversations and do interviews
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  and not agree with 100% of what the other persons values are.
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  Totally, yeah, totally. I, I agree with that.
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  I think the question is what do we question, right?
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  What are we? What are we?
• 53:18
  Yeah. And I think with, you know, back
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  to the whole red pill debate and the Tates and everything else
• 53:22
  that is the big debate is, is monogamy possible for high value
• 53:25
  men? You know, that's kind of one of
• 53:26
  the way that it's phrased by people like pearly things, as
• 53:29
  you said. And you know, what should we be
• 53:31
  seeking, right. What should we be encouraging
• 53:33
  young people to seek? I'll give you another one.
• 53:35
  I've never met you before but you look very attractive.
• 53:38
  Are you married, Leela, or are you single?
• 53:39
  I'm I'm very happily married, yeah, going on five years do.
• 53:42
  You have any kids? OK, so I will give you the
• 53:46
  opposite side as well. OK, so I've also seen
• 53:51
  relationships where husband and wife get married.
• 53:53
  When the husband got married to the wife, wife was 135 lbs.
• 53:58
  Ten years later she's 195. OK, she just let her body go.
• 54:03
  I've also seen men who get married, they were 165 lbs
• 54:07
  working out three times a week. 10 years later they're 225 lbs
• 54:10
  with a beer belly drinking beer every time, every night.
• 54:13
  You got to put an effort into your body as well.
• 54:16
  This isn't about letting yourself go on being sloppy.
• 54:19
  If one person on one end is giving their best and the other
• 54:22
  person isn't, what are you supposed to do?
• 54:24
  Force them to change? What are you supposed to do?
• 54:26
  What if? What if you're in a
• 54:27
  relationship? Your husband all of a sudden one
• 54:29
  day starts hitting you? Should you stay in that
• 54:31
  marriage? What if all of a sudden you guys
• 54:33
  have kids and you see the way your husband's treating your
• 54:35
  kids? Should you keep your kids in
• 54:37
  that environment and just be like, this is what I have to do?
• 54:39
  It's OK if he hits their faces and smacks them with a baseball
• 54:42
  bat. No.
• 54:43
  So there is an element of this where you have a choice.
• 54:48
  He has a choice, but both parties have to contribute to
• 54:51
  the relationship. So it's not, as you know, it's
• 54:55
  not as black and white for all there is there in.
• 54:59
  Here's a few things out in business.
• 55:02
  There's so much Gray area in business.
• 55:05
  This is why a lot of people that went and got all the fancy
• 55:07
  degrees have a hard time with business because they don't know
• 55:09
  how to do the Gray area. Business marriage has got a lot
• 55:12
  of Gray area. You know you've been married for
• 55:15
  five years, in laws, brothers, sisters, exes, friends, you
• 55:20
  know, business partners. There's a lot of Gray area in
• 55:24
  that part of family, body changes, all this other stuff.
• 55:29
  If if we look at every single scenario from only a black and
• 55:33
  white element, we miss out on a lot of it.
• 55:36
  I think we have to understand that business, the complicated
• 55:39
  topics in world have a lot of Gray area and we have to be at
• 55:43
  least open to debating the Gray area.
• 55:45
  I think that's the part that we need to be doing more of.
• 55:47
  I think debating is very good to kind of get to the bottom of
• 55:50
  things, flush out differences of opinion and understanding.
• 55:53
  You know, with marriage, I believe that marriage is for
• 55:56
  life and you make a promise and you keep that promise.
• 55:59
  If there's abuse that enters into the marriage, I think
• 56:01
  separation can absolutely be the right step to protect yourself
• 56:05
  or to protect your kids. You know, if your spouse gains
• 56:07
  weight, though, you know, figure out how to try to help your
• 56:10
  spouse and figure it out. I don't think that would be any,
• 56:12
  any of a reason to, to separate or to abandon your spouse.
• 56:16
  I would see that as a betrayal. So I do think the distinctions
• 56:18
  are important. And it's, it's an important
• 56:20
  debate to happen, right? The divorce rate sky high,
• 56:22
  right? A lot of people aren't even
• 56:24
  getting married anymore. They're scared of marriage.
• 56:26
  So it's something we talk about. A lot of my podcasts I'm really
• 56:29
  passionate about. And I I see people speaking
• 56:31
  about this out there and I see, you know, this part was true,
• 56:35
  right? But this part, you know, is
• 56:36
  missing the full picture and people are looking for that full
• 56:39
  picture. So maybe, you know, I know we've
• 56:40
  got a wrap here soon in a minute, but I, you know what I'd
• 56:42
  love to hear. Yeah.
• 56:43
  Let me get let me, let me push back a little bit.
• 56:46
  So and then, you know, we're at what?
• 56:48
  OK, We got 5 more minutes so you can push back up what I say to
• 56:51
  you and I want you to get the last word to pushing me back.
• 56:55
  So how much do you know about marriage?
• 56:58
  Five years of experience, OK. I mean, I, I try to study my
• 57:02
  parents marriage, other people's marriage.
• 57:03
  I'm a newbie. I'm a newbie.
• 57:05
  No matter how much you and I study, you only know five years
• 57:08
  personally. OK, No matter how much I study,
• 57:10
  I only know 14 years. And trust me, I've read, you
• 57:14
  know, every raising up boys by James Dobson, focus on the
• 57:17
  family. You know, I've read all the
• 57:19
  Christian books on marriage, relationships, 5 love languages.
• 57:21
  Men are from this women are from I've read all of those books to
• 57:25
  be 101 questions to ask before you Get married.
• 57:27
  You know, before you get engaged by Norman Wright.
• 57:29
  You know, before I say I do, I've read all of them.
• 57:31
  So and I'm a guy that my wife and I went to Christian therapy
• 57:34
  before we got married and we did that regularly before we got
• 57:36
  married. But when people say to me, why
• 57:40
  don't you write a book on parenting, I get very
• 57:43
  uncomfortable. Yeah, I got a guy that sent me a
• 57:46
  message saying, hey, Pat, we would love to do a documentary
• 57:49
  on you. I'm uncomfortable.
• 57:51
  Why are you uncomfortable? I don't know.
• 57:54
  I I I just don't know if I'm there yet to do a documentary on
• 57:59
  me. Well, Pat, you know, you realize
• 58:00
  you went from being A1 pointed GPA guy to now you're a minority
• 58:02
  owner, the Yankees. You're worth a few $100 million.
• 58:04
  You've done good for yourself. Your family life is doing good.
• 58:06
  You're healthy. You got media, you got this.
• 58:08
  You got that. I get it now, but maybe not yet.
• 58:11
  Let's talk in 10 years. Let me see where I'm at at 54.
• 58:14
  OK, great. Now if somebody independently
• 58:16
  does it without my permission, I can't do anything about that.
• 58:19
  But something for me to be involved.
• 58:21
  I'm not comfortable with it right now.
• 58:22
  Why don't you do a, you know, a biography or no, some
• 58:26
  comfortable even talk. Why don't you write a book on
• 58:28
  parenting? I would do it, but I would say a
• 58:33
  disclaimer, I could still get everything wrong because my case
• 58:37
  study is only on an 11 year old son, a nine year old son, A7
• 58:42
  year old daughter, a 2 year old Brooklyn and our relationship
• 58:46
  together is incredible Today, I can't tell you what a special
• 58:50
  Sunday I had with my wife and kids, incredible Sunday I had
• 58:54
  with them a conversation I had with my oldest son, one of the
• 58:56
  best ever. I pulled these guys aside after
• 58:58
  we're playing baseball and they were getting a little bit too
• 59:01
  competitive and certain words was exchanged and I sat them
• 59:03
  down and I said we're going to play a game.
• 59:07
  I put a camera right in front of them with my phone and I said
• 59:10
  for 15 minutes I need each of you to complement each other and
• 59:14
  lift the other person up. Whoever does better compliments
• 59:17
  that are sincere wins and they're going back and forth
• 59:19
  seeing these guys cry at the end.
• 59:21
  Priceless moment for me. But we have to be very careful
• 59:25
  to think we know it all only based on 14 years of marriage or
• 59:31
  five years of marriage or just because I have a kid.
• 59:34
  We are exactly the elitist people that most of us never
• 59:38
  liked. At least I never liked being
• 59:40
  around because those people that thought they knew it all, I
• 59:42
  couldn't stand going to church because of people that would
• 59:44
  say, well, you're going to hell and you're doing this.
• 59:46
  And then three years later, I'm sorry, I was sleeping with a
• 59:48
  member here in the church. Yeah.
• 59:50
  So I don't vibe with the perfection elitist and you know,
• 59:54
  thou shalt not. And then this.
• 59:56
  So one of the pastors I had when I was going to Pasadena and we
• 1:00:01
  were doing Bible study Friday nights from 6:00 to 2:00 in the
• 1:00:04
  morning, his name was Mono. He said something to me when I
• 1:00:07
  was still going through the process.
• 1:00:08
  He says if you if you judge your faith horizontally, you're
• 1:00:16
  always going to be disappointed. But if your relationship is
• 1:00:19
  vertical, you'll never be disappointed.
• 1:00:22
  I'm sitting there saying what do you what do you mean by this?
• 1:00:24
  If you judge your faith by other people, people are going to let
• 1:00:29
  you down. But but if it's a vertical,
• 1:00:33
  you're going to have an easier time with life because it's
• 1:00:35
  relationship with God. Do you know how many people have
• 1:00:38
  backstabbed me or screwed me over or where my best friends or
• 1:00:42
  stole from me and all this stuff?
• 1:00:43
  And I still have relationships with many of these guys.
• 1:00:46
  We're not best friends. We're not breaking bread when
• 1:00:47
  I'm not having my kids go stay at their house.
• 1:00:50
  But that's because my relationship is vertical, not
• 1:00:53
  horizontal. So again, you don't have to
• 1:00:55
  agree with anything I said. My challenge when I talk to some
• 1:00:59
  people that are quick to judge everybody.
• 1:01:02
  You know, if you walk on water and it's perfect, go at it.
• 1:01:05
  We can debate all the topics. We can challenge everybody, but
• 1:01:08
  we have to be careful to not present ourselves as perfect
• 1:01:11
  because you're still young in the next 5-10, fifteen, 20
• 1:01:13
  years, when something happens to you, somebody's going to cut cut
• 1:01:15
  this clip and say what happened to you when you claimed you were
• 1:01:18
  perfect that only five years. How come this you just.
• 1:01:20
  Don't don't worry, Patrick, I'm definitely not perfect.
• 1:01:23
  And my, my podcast folks won't know that.
• 1:01:26
  I think what I, what I'm interested in and what I think
• 1:01:28
  you did a beautiful job of expressing just now is, is the
• 1:01:30
  importance of humility. But then also what are the
• 1:01:33
  principles we should be chasing after, right?
• 1:01:35
  Because that's the whole role of a lot of what you do.
• 1:01:37
  The Tates myself, we're kind of giving our best advice and not
• 1:01:41
  just our own, but pointing to eternal principles.
• 1:01:44
  I hope that's what I'm trying to do, right beyond my own ideas,
• 1:01:48
  You know, what are the eternal truths that we can point to that
• 1:01:50
  we can ultimately help each other live better lives, right.
• 1:01:54
  And so that's the that's the project.
• 1:01:56
  A lot of the project of my podcast is how do we live these
• 1:01:58
  better lives? How do we learn from other
• 1:02:00
  people? What are the principles and the
• 1:02:02
  truths that we can seek after? And so back, you know, to close
• 1:02:06
  us out here because I know we've got to run here.
• 1:02:07
  But you know, with marriage, it's like it's, it's such a
• 1:02:10
  beautiful, full, precious thing. And as Christians, we see it as
• 1:02:14
  Christ in the church, right? It's like a sacrificial love for
• 1:02:17
  each other that's lifelong, exclusive.
• 1:02:20
  And it involves suffering. And I do think that, you know,
• 1:02:24
  you've suffered a lot in your your life.
• 1:02:25
  You talked about, you know, judging our candidates based on
• 1:02:28
  did they suffer? You know, have they have they
• 1:02:30
  really lived through things? What is our North Star when we
• 1:02:33
  suffer? Is it to do the right thing?
• 1:02:35
  Like sexual temptation comes, is it to choose the right thing
• 1:02:38
  despite the temptation, right? Or is it to give what what do we
• 1:02:42
  how do we direct ourselves as human beings?
• 1:02:44
  Any final words for our our guests just on your and our
• 1:02:48
  listeners just on how you you are faithful, you navigate
• 1:02:51
  fidelity. How you choose an encouragement
• 1:02:53
  for young men, how you choose one woman for life again and
• 1:02:56
  again, because I think I think young men need to hear that
• 1:02:58
  that's possible. And young women.
• 1:03:00
  Yeah, you know, and I appreciate that.
• 1:03:02
  I would say to you, we had a friend over who was my groomsman
• 1:03:06
  at our wedding. He flew from from Ecuador to be
• 1:03:09
  here from Quito, right? He was with us here this weekend
• 1:03:12
  and he was my boss at Bally's in 99 and he's seven years older
• 1:03:18
  than me. Best friends, this guy now for
• 1:03:20
  three years we spent every day together.
• 1:03:23
  But his wife just got pregnant. Now, he's never had a kid before
• 1:03:27
  and had four miscarriages and his mother died three months
• 1:03:32
  after his wife, wife's mother died and they're living in
• 1:03:36
  Ecuador. They're not happy about the
• 1:03:38
  political climate that's going on there.
• 1:03:40
  And he's kind of looking at me. He says, well, you know, we
• 1:03:44
  started very late and his wife's like my husband's very nervous.
• 1:03:46
  She's seven months pregnant. My husband's very nervous
• 1:03:48
  because he's worried we're going to lose this one as well because
• 1:03:50
  we lost 4 already, etcetera, etcetera.
• 1:03:52
  I said, you know, there's certain areas in life you
• 1:03:56
  shouldn't compete with. This is what's that I said.
• 1:04:00
  Never compete with when you have a kid.
• 1:04:03
  Never compete with when you get married.
• 1:04:07
  Never compete on how your relationship is better with God
• 1:04:10
  than somebody else. You just don't mess around with
• 1:04:13
  that kind of stuff. That philosophy has allowed me
• 1:04:17
  to have different types of people feel comfortable having
• 1:04:19
  me in their lives because some people get married early and
• 1:04:24
  they have two kids and then they go through a divorce.
• 1:04:26
  Some people get married in their 40s and they have one kid and
• 1:04:29
  they stay together for the rest of their lives.
• 1:04:31
  We all going to be dealt a different set of hands.
• 1:04:33
  We have to do our best to improve, to become good leaders,
• 1:04:35
  to keep figuring out ways to improve our lives and
• 1:04:39
  personally, financially, health and all these other ways.
• 1:04:41
  And if as long as you do that and you stay loyal, you do your
• 1:04:44
  best to stay loyal to the man upstairs, eventually good things
• 1:04:47
  are going to happen to you. Loyal to loyal to God, God
• 1:04:51
  first. Thank you Patrick for taking the
• 1:04:53
  time and for sharing your thoughts and your your some of
• 1:04:56
  your journey and excited to see where you take value tainment
• 1:04:59
  and all of your initiatives. Well, thank you as well.
• 1:05:03
  I really enjoyed it. Thanks for listening to this
• 1:05:06
  episode with Patrick That David, I wish we could have talked
• 1:05:09
  longer. We talked for an hour.
• 1:05:10
  I think we might try to do this again in the future.
• 1:05:12
  And towards the end of it, we got into our differences on
• 1:05:15
  marriage, on sexual ethics really is where the core
• 1:05:19
  differences might be. Why do I care so much about
• 1:05:21
  this? And at the podcast, you care
• 1:05:23
  too, because it's really the question of how do we live?
• 1:05:25
  How do we relate to each other? How do we love each other
• 1:05:29
  properly? That's really, I think, part of
• 1:05:31
  the purpose of human existence. Love God, love other people.
• 1:05:34
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• 1:05:38
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• 1:05:43
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• 1:05:45
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