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Israel on Defense! WH says Against Iran...You're on Your Own · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: Israel on defense now as they are losing clearly their
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Speaker 1: biggest ally, the United States of America. Headlines now coming
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Speaker 1: out from leakers in the White House, and this is
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Speaker 1: don Purpose saying that Biden is warning Israel you better
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Speaker 1: be careful.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not warning Iran.
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Speaker 1: He is warning Israel on a retaliatory strike after Iran
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Speaker 1: went into an all out war posture with a massive
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Speaker 1: aerial assault on Israel. Now, this coming from ABC News
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Speaker 1: US to Israel, if you strike back at Iran, you
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Speaker 1: will do it alone. That is what US military apparently
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Speaker 1: has been told from the White House.
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Speaker 2: ABC News reporting it this way.
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Speaker 1: As Israel on Monday wait its response to RAN's stunning
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Speaker 1: attack this weekend, the US is privately telling officials there,
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Speaker 1: if Israel strikes back militarily, it will do so alone.
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Speaker 2: It's an unusual message for a.
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Speaker 1: Close ally that spent decades receiving more US military aid
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Speaker 1: than any other country in the world, and whose relationship
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Speaker 1: with America is often described as ironclad. But once Joe
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Speaker 1: Biden got into office, all of that changed. And after
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Speaker 1: months of Israel acting on its own in Gaza and
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Speaker 1: facing tough criticism from the US, specifically Joe Biden and
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Speaker 1: his White House and other allies that its military operations
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Speaker 1: have quote gone too far. The Biden administration made it
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Speaker 1: clear on Monday that the US wouldn't participate in offensive
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Speaker 1: military operations against Iran, fearing a broader war in the
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Speaker 1: Middle East. Now, obviously Iran is saying, great, we can
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Speaker 1: now do whatever the hell we want to do because
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Speaker 1: we know that America is not in the fight, and
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Speaker 1: America will not get in the fight, so we can
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Speaker 1: attack Israel and we can have the biggest attack on
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Speaker 1: Israel that has happened in my lifetime. That's why there
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Speaker 1: calculus is this way. The other thing that's shocking is
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Speaker 1: how much power Iran has now. As many of you know,
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Speaker 1: if you listen to this show yesterday, I laid it
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Speaker 1: out for you. Iran has their hands on billions and
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Speaker 1: billions of dollars in money that is specifically coming in
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Speaker 1: from their oil sales, which are supposed to be basically
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Speaker 1: sanctioned right now. But America is not enforcing the sanctions.
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Speaker 2: Now, why is America not enforcing the sanctions?
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Speaker 1: Because we have a weak present that doesn't mind Iran
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Speaker 1: being apparently powerful and taking taking basically orders from Iran,
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Speaker 1: the same country that chants death to America, the same
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Speaker 1: country that's attacking American soldiers in the Middle East, the
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Speaker 1: same country that was responsible for more roadside bombs that
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Speaker 1: killed American soldiers when we were in Iraq and Afghanistan
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Speaker 1: than any other country in the world. That's Iran. Iran
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Speaker 1: has made it clear they want to wipe out every
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Speaker 1: Jew in the world from the river to the sea.
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Speaker 1: They want to get rid of Israel, and they chant
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Speaker 1: regularly death to America. And what is our president doing
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Speaker 1: not a damn thing to stay them from gaining power,
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Speaker 1: including a nuclear weapon.
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Speaker 2: We also gave.
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Speaker 1: Billions of dollars in access to funds that have been frozen,
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Speaker 1: and we warned that those dollars were going to be
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Speaker 1: spent to support terrorism because Iran is very actually easy
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Speaker 1: to control. They're actually a really simple country to gain
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Speaker 1: the upper hand on because they have one thing, oil
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Speaker 1: and if you put sanctions on that oil, it crushes
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Speaker 1: their economy. And when their economy is crushed, the Iatola
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Speaker 2: So now they have their flesh with money.
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Speaker 1: They're flushed with oil sales or flesh with billions of
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Speaker 1: barrels of oil going out and hundreds of billions of
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Speaker 1: dollars coming into Iran. And that is exactly why they're
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Speaker 1: able to do.
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Speaker 2: What they're doing right now.
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Speaker 1: Fox News is Peter Doucy asked the White House today,
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Speaker 1: Scott Kirby at the White House, like, Hey, when are
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Speaker 1: we going to hear something different from this White House?
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Speaker 1: Because obviously the words to Iran that you guys have
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Speaker 1: been using are not working to stop them from trying
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Speaker 1: to kill Americans and also kill Israelis.
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Speaker 2: Listen, and as prison.
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Speaker 3: Biden considered maybe beefing up the public Iran posture to
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Speaker 3: be more than.
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Speaker 4: Just one word you're referring to. Don't. Yeah, and so
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Speaker 4: let's talk about and they did it anyway, And let's
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Speaker 4: talk about what we did, Peter, Let's talk about don't
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Speaker 4: and did. Let's talk about Saturday night.
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Speaker 5: He's made it clear that he didn't want to see
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Speaker 5: escalation in the region. When we had an inkling that
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Speaker 5: this kind of thing was coming, he added even more
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Speaker 5: military resources to the region, more destroyers that were capable
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Speaker 5: of shooting down ballistic missiles, fighters, fighter squadron that was
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Speaker 5: able to shoot down drums.
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Speaker 4: And that's what we did.
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Speaker 1: So there you go, right, So the President says don't.
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Speaker 1: Then he tells Israel you better not respond. If you do,
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Speaker 1: you're going to be going alone. That's not all why
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Speaker 1: House Press Secretary Jean Pierre thanks to Biden. She says,
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Speaker 1: it's cheaper to get gas than it was a year ago,
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Speaker 1: trying to act like nothing's happening in the Middle East
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Speaker 1: right now, and gas prices aren't you going up? And
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Speaker 1: by the way, they are higher now than they were
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Speaker 1: a year ago. They are again lying to you. Also,
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Speaker 1: Scott Kirby was asked about unfreezing billions of dollars so
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Speaker 1: that the Iranian leader could do exactly what I and
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Speaker 1: many other conservatives warned you about that if you give
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Speaker 1: them billions of dollars, they're going to use it for terrorism,
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Speaker 1: which is exactly what they did.
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Speaker 2: Listen to this, How do.
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Speaker 3: We know that the Iranians do not listen to President
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Speaker 3: Biden's public warnings? Is there any regret here about unfreezing
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Speaker 3: billions of dollars for Iranian leaders during the president's administry?
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Speaker 4: What unfreezing are you talking about? He unfrozen billions of
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Speaker 4: dollars Imian leaders? I don't think so. Okay, So, first
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Speaker 4: of all, it's for humanitarian purposes. But doesn't that but
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Speaker 4: you don't believe me, Well, it doesn't.
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Speaker 3: That free up money for them to spend on other stuff.
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Speaker 3: But where do you get the money for an unprecedented
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Speaker 3: number of munitions to fire at Israel?
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Speaker 5: So first of all, I'm betting if they're sitting in
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Speaker 5: Tehran they're taking it seriously.
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Speaker 4: When President Biden says he's going to defend Israel.
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Speaker 5: We put skin in the game, a whole heck of
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Speaker 5: a lot of it, and knocked almost everything out of
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Speaker 5: the sky.
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Speaker 4: So I'm betting they're taking it pretty seriously.
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Speaker 5: And as for this this unfreezing, none of that fund
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Speaker 5: none of those funds, funds set up in an account,
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Speaker 5: by the way, by the previous administration, goes directly to
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Speaker 5: the Supreme Leader of the IRGC can only be.
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Speaker 4: Used for humanitarian purposes.
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Speaker 5: And we're watching that account very very closely to make
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Speaker 5: sure that that's what happens.
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Speaker 1: So to be clear, this White House says, no, they're
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Speaker 1: not really doing that. Sure they are, that's exactly what
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Speaker 1: they're doing. But they're going to look at you straight
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Speaker 1: in the face. They're gonna say, no, that's not really
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Speaker 1: what's happening here. And he mocks the question. Really, there's
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Speaker 1: not billions of dollars. Now we know there is.
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Speaker 2: We know the money went to Iran's leaders.
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Speaker 1: We know that it freed up dollars for RAND to
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Speaker 1: be able to do what they just did, and we
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Speaker 1: know that they had the ability to have this unprecedented
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Speaker 1: aerial assault, whether it be missiles or drone attacks because
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Speaker 1: of the money that they're making. And we're also not
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Speaker 1: enforcing the sanctions on Iranian oil. Now, where are they
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Speaker 1: selling that oil to? By the way, is also another
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Speaker 1: part of this. They're selling it to China. Now we
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Speaker 1: know that they're selling it to China, and we know
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Speaker 1: that the boats are leaving Iran, and we know that
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Speaker 1: money it's going to China, and China's happy to buy
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Speaker 1: their oil because they actually get a discount. Okay, they
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Speaker 1: get a discount because it's black market.
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Speaker 2: Oil, so they get to buy it on the cheap.
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Speaker 2: Now is that ten percent off for thirty percent off?
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Speaker 2: We don't know. But what we do know.
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Speaker 1: Is that that this president of the United States of
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Speaker 1: America has deliberately not enforced, okay, the sanctions on Iran,
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Speaker 1: which brings us back to the double standard here.
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Speaker 2: We're letting Iran literally get away with murder. We're letting
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Speaker 2: Iran get.
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Speaker 1: Away with trying to commit what is what is basically
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Speaker 1: a genocide. It's Iran has made it clear they want
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Speaker 1: to kill every Jew. That's their goal, that's our objective,
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Speaker 1: that's what they're trying to accomplish here, and yet we
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Speaker 1: hold them not accountable for anything they're doing in Iran.
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Speaker 2: But by golly, we are going to pote.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna hold Israel accountable if they respond
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Speaker 1: in a way that we believe is quote too heavy handed.
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Speaker 1: Scott Kirby was asked about the Biden administration. Hey, would
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Speaker 1: the Biden administration be opposed to a stand and alone
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Speaker 1: bill on aid for Israel? The reason why that, questions asked,
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Speaker 1: is because Democrats voted against.
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Speaker 2: The emergency aid military aid for Israel.
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Speaker 1: They all voted in essence against it to stop it.
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Speaker 2: That's going to come.
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Speaker 1: Back up for a vote again, I'm sure this week
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Speaker 1: in Congress.
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Speaker 2: So what does the White House have to say about that?
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Speaker 6: Listen, carefully opposed to a standalone a bill that would
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Speaker 6: just work on Israel as we've seen proposed, We would
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Speaker 6: oppose a standalone bill.
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Speaker 1: Yes, Why why would you oppose a standalone bill for
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Speaker 1: Israel funding?
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Speaker 2: I can tell you exactly why.
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Speaker 1: Because you don't want Israel to win and you don't
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Speaker 1: actually support Israel. The only reason why you wouldn't come out,
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Speaker 1: okay and say yes, we are in favor of a bill,
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Speaker 1: a stand alone bill to support Israel. Yes, they need
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Speaker 1: it right now. They don't need to be caught up
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Speaker 1: in our politics in this country. It's a national security issue.
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Speaker 1: They're one of our allies. Is because you are actually
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Speaker 1: anti Israel, and the White House is anti Israel, and
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Speaker 1: everybody around this White House is anti Israel.
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Speaker 2: They hate Jews.
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Speaker 1: I say it because it's the truth, and we need
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Speaker 1: to keep reminding people that is the truth.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that is the truth. Michael Moore, by the way, hardcore.
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Speaker 1: Lefty, you may remember from some I think it was
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Speaker 1: Columbine movie that he did. Michael Moore actually warned Joe
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Speaker 1: Biden and here's how he put it. He warned Joe
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Speaker 1: Biden that Joe Biden would become Hillary Clinton two point
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Speaker 1: zero if he continues to support Israel, which explains the
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Speaker 1: foreign policy the Biden administration his team are saying. Look,
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Speaker 1: there's too many young wacko liberals out here, socialists and
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Speaker 1: communists that you.
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Speaker 2: Need to vote for you.
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Speaker 1: If you alienate them by supporting Israel, you're gonna lose
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Speaker 1: this upcoming president's election.
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Speaker 2: It's that simple. So screw the Jews. I gotta get real.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Michael Moore again. He is the extremists,
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Speaker 1: He's the socialist he's the communist. He is an extremist
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Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party, has been for thirty years. And
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Speaker 1: he's warning Joe Biden, if you stand with Israel, it's
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Speaker 1: going to cost you the White House and your reelection.
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Speaker 7: We could end this, President Biden, you could end this. Now,
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Speaker 7: you know what's wrong. I know you know what's wrong,
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Speaker 7: and I know I sound like a broken record, and
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Speaker 7: I know that you know that you're going to lose
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Speaker 7: the selection in part because too many people are going
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Speaker 7: to stay home. They're not going to vote for Trump.
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Speaker 7: They're not going to switch their vote from you to Trump. No,
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Speaker 7: that is not how this is going to play out.
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Speaker 7: Is what happened to Hillary and Michigan. She lost by
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Speaker 7: two votes per precinct two for the whole state.
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Speaker 2: Two.
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Speaker 7: And that's what's going to happen to you. There are
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Speaker 7: hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of young people between
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Speaker 7: the ages of eighteen and thirty, probably thirty five, maybe
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Speaker 7: even forty young people don't want war. Why well, why
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Speaker 7: don't they like war? Because they're the ones usually sent
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Speaker 7: to go and die in the war. And so no,
13:20
Speaker 7: they don't support it, and they don't support you. And
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Speaker 7: now they're sick of you, sick of what you've been doing,
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Speaker 7: and you can't see it. I know you've got good
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Speaker 7: people working for you, your aides, people in the White House.
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Speaker 7: They must have said something to you that you've got
13:37
Speaker 7: to kind of bring this to an end and then
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Speaker 7: make reparations to build those homes back for those people
13:44
Speaker 7: and get them some food and drinking water. I usually
13:48
Speaker 7: record these podcasts on Sunday. You go to mass every Sunday.
13:52
Speaker 7: Do you understand that murder is a sin? Maybe the
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Speaker 7: worst sin?
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Speaker 1: You listen to Michael Moore and people go, why do
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Speaker 1: you play Michael Moore? I'll take exactly why. Because you
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Speaker 1: need to know your enemy and what they are and
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Speaker 1: what they believe in, and you need to understand that
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Speaker 1: this is what is driving the decisions at this White House.
14:13
Speaker 1: I think for far too long we isolated viewpoints of
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Speaker 1: the left that we didn't want to hear because like,
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Speaker 1: well they're stupid idiots, yes, but you need to understand
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Speaker 1: what they're saying and what they believe and what their
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Speaker 1: whole game plan is. You study your adversary to know
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Speaker 1: what they're about and how they react and how they act.
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Speaker 1: So this is why the White House is hanging Israel
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Speaker 1: out to dry because of socialists and communists and Marxists
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Speaker 1: like Michael Moore who are warning this White House you're
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Speaker 1: going to lose the election unless you do what we
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Speaker 1: tell you to do, which is to take your hand
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Speaker 1: off of Israel because.
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Speaker 1: and he made it very clear when he was on CNN.
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Speaker 2: We want a de escalation.
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Speaker 1: We don't want a war with a Ran, Okay, we
16:58
Speaker 1: don't want any war with the Ran Israel good Ian
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Speaker 1: and that's why they're saying to Israel, it's on you, Israel,
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Speaker 1: not to respond to Iran.
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Speaker 2: Just say, you know what happened twenty four hours ago.
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Speaker 1: Those that were told they could speak on the record
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Speaker 1: for the White House, but of course without their names
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Speaker 1: being used, right, there was like ten people the White House.
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Speaker 1: They sent out to the media and said, hey, this
17:19
Speaker 1: is what we're thinking. This is it that you can
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Speaker 1: get me as this is on the record, and senior
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Speaker 1: person at the White House, but you can't use my name, YadA, YadA.
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Speaker 1: What their message was was this, Hey, Israel, yes, they
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Speaker 1: fired hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of rockets at you,
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Speaker 1: and they used hundreds and hundreds of drones, you know,
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Speaker 1: three hundred plus total, and.
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Speaker 2: These cruise missiles and everything else. But the good news
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Speaker 2: is like only one kid died from shrapnel. So take
17:44
Speaker 2: that as a success.
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Speaker 1: And that is your response, is that you were successful
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Speaker 1: in them not killing a whole lot of you this time,
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Speaker 1: even though they killed a whole lot of you on
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Speaker 1: the day they attacked you back in October.
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Speaker 2: But move past that, Israel.
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Speaker 1: Just look at this as a victory and then don't
18:01
Speaker 1: respond anymore because you just had a victory in stopping
18:04
Speaker 1: the attack. That is the White House's official position because
18:08
Speaker 1: they're more obsessed.
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Speaker 2: And this goes back. This is so much like Jimmy Carter.
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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable when you look at Jimmy Carter, Right, Jimmy
18:16
Speaker 1: Carter was like, I.
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Speaker 2: Don't want to be in any war. I don't want
18:17
Speaker 2: to get in a war. I don't want to get
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Speaker 2: in a war with Iran. I'm gonna be weak. I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna be weak. And what did Iran do? Then?
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Speaker 1: They held American hostages for over a year. They took
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Speaker 1: our embassy and they took them in and women in there,
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Speaker 1: and they held them for over a year. And then
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Speaker 1: as soon as Ronald Reagan, who said, go ahead, I
18:35
Speaker 1: dare you right, come after me and watch what happens.
18:39
Speaker 1: I dare you come after me and see what happens.
18:45
Speaker 2: You don't let those hostages go. It is game on.
18:47
Speaker 1: In the day that he was inaugurated, what'd they do?
18:53
Speaker 1: We got our hostages back. Yeah, the hostages came back.
18:58
Speaker 1: That's what happened. And now we have a president that
19:01
Speaker 1: is taking orders. I should say from terrace. We are
19:06
Speaker 1: owned right now like we've never been owned before by China.
19:10
Speaker 1: We have never been owned before like we have by
19:13
Speaker 1: places like Russia, and we've never been owned like we
19:15
Speaker 1: are being owned right now by smaller countries like Mexico
19:21
Speaker 1: with all the illegals coming across and now Iran. Listen
19:24
Speaker 1: to Scott Kirby, he's not obsessed with defending or attacking
19:29
Speaker 1: or fighting back. Answeranda, No, he's all about the escalation.
19:33
Speaker 1: Let aurand be in charge.
19:34
Speaker 8: Thank you very much for coming on. So, Israel's war
19:37
Speaker 8: cabinets meeting again right now.
19:39
Speaker 4: They have said that.
19:40
Speaker 8: They will exact a price from Iran. Does President Biden
19:44
Speaker 8: support Israel retaliating now after the Iran attack, Well.
19:49
Speaker 9: We respect that that's a decision the War Cabinet and
19:51
Speaker 9: the Prime Minister have to make, and we know that
19:54
Speaker 9: they live in a very tough neighborhood. The President believes
19:56
Speaker 9: that what happened Saturday night was an extraordinarylitary success and
20:01
Speaker 9: that it proved Israel is not alone, and it proved
20:04
Speaker 9: that Israel has a military superiority it can be proud of,
20:08
Speaker 9: and that they ought to think about what that success.
20:11
Speaker 9: So the message that that sends to Iran and to
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Speaker 9: the region itself, He's also been very clear Kate that
20:16
Speaker 9: we don't want a war with Iran. We don't seek
20:19
Speaker 9: to widen and broaden this conflict. We don't want to
20:21
Speaker 9: see things escalate. As a matter of fact, what we
20:23
Speaker 9: want to do is see things de escalate, and defending
20:26
Speaker 9: Israel the way we help do on Saturday should have
20:29
Speaker 9: that effect.
20:30
Speaker 8: I mean, you talk about de escalating. So is it
20:32
Speaker 8: the position of the Biden administration that Israel should not
20:35
Speaker 8: retaliate on Iran or Iranian territory.
20:38
Speaker 9: Now again, that's a decision that only Prime Minister Yahoo
20:43
Speaker 9: in the War Cabinet can make. I mean again, we
20:45
Speaker 9: respect their sovereign decision making process. What we want to
20:50
Speaker 9: see is de escalation of the tensions. We don't want
20:52
Speaker 9: to see a wider war. And everything the President's been doing,
20:55
Speaker 9: including putting US forces in the fight Saturday night to
20:59
Speaker 9: defend Israel, which I think is the first time it's
21:00
Speaker 9: ever been done, has been to de escalate, to take
21:03
Speaker 9: the tensions down, to put resources in the region, to
21:06
Speaker 9: send a strong signal to anybody who might actaymical to
21:10
Speaker 9: our interests or the interest of our allies and partners,
21:12
Speaker 9: that it's unacceptable, that sounds like how you treat your
21:16
Speaker 9: close ally and ironclad friendship that you have with Israel.
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Speaker 1: No, that's what you talk like when you're dealing with
21:24
Speaker 1: a country that basically you don't have a lot of
21:26
Speaker 1: respect for and you certainly don't have a lot of
21:30
Speaker 1: support that you want to give them.
21:33
Speaker 2: What you're also.
21:34
Speaker 1: Doing is you're setting a precedent that we care more
21:37
Speaker 1: about a fundamental idea of not being at war, so
21:39
Speaker 1: other people are allowed to attack, and then you don't
21:41
Speaker 1: categorize it a war as long as we don't respond
21:44
Speaker 1: to the attack. This goes back to Afghanistan, and this
21:49
Speaker 1: is when the world understood.
21:50
Speaker 2: The bad guys in the world understood they can do
21:52
Speaker 2: whatever the hell they want to do in the world
21:53
Speaker 2: right now.
21:55
Speaker 1: If the calculus comes in that America would have to
21:57
Speaker 1: get involved to stop them, whether it's China and Taiwan,
22:02
Speaker 1: whether it is Russia and Ukraine, or whether it's a
22:06
Speaker 1: ran in the Middle East. And this could easily get.
22:09
Speaker 2: Outside of just Israel very quickly.
22:13
Speaker 1: When we were in Afghanistan and the president picked an
22:16
Speaker 1: arbitrary date in a anniversary of nine to eleven to
22:19
Speaker 1: get us out so it can have a grand standing.
22:22
Speaker 1: You know, all of a sudden moment where he's like,
22:24
Speaker 1: I ended America's longest war. See how great I am.
22:28
Speaker 1: He didn't care how many Americans died. Joe Biden was
22:32
Speaker 1: told by somebody that were as bad young people don't
22:35
Speaker 1: like it.
22:35
Speaker 2: Get out of this war in Afghanistan.
22:37
Speaker 1: You can put it on your resume that you're the
22:39
Speaker 1: guy that ended the longest American war in history, and
22:41
Speaker 1: everybody will love you.
22:42
Speaker 2: And people died because of that decision. And then we.
22:45
Speaker 1: Started taking orders from the Taliban, and then they killed
22:49
Speaker 1: American troops and we didn't respond, and we got out
22:52
Speaker 1: on their timeline instead of our own timeline, which put
22:55
Speaker 1: countless people that helped Americans, translators and others at risk.
23:00
Speaker 1: Many of them were beheaded, many of them were shot
23:02
Speaker 1: and dragged in the streets. Their family members were raped
23:04
Speaker 1: and beaten and murdered, and all because the president wanted
23:08
Speaker 1: a certain day in time, September the eleventh, we're gonna
23:12
Speaker 1: say I got us out of Afghanistan. That is the
23:14
Speaker 1: moment when Iran and all these other countries and all
23:17
Speaker 1: these other bad people in the world realize we can
23:20
Speaker 1: do whatever we want. Let me say one another thing,
23:24
Speaker 1: about Israel real quick, which is important.
23:27
Speaker 2: Israel has the right to defend itself.
23:29
Speaker 1: And what I know is is if America had three
23:32
Speaker 1: hundred rockets, ballistic missiles and drones coming across our border,
23:36
Speaker 1: we would unleash holy hell on the people that did it.
23:38
Speaker 2: I have no doubt in my mind even I even.
23:40
Speaker 1: Believe that Joe Biden would do that, because he would
23:42
Speaker 1: know that he had to.
23:44
Speaker 2: I expect there to be a stern response from Israel.
23:47
Speaker 2: In fact, I would expect nothing less because its exactly
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Speaker 2: what America would do.
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Speaker 1: And the part that irritates me the most about this
23:54
Speaker 1: White House is they're acting like Israel should somehow bow
23:57
Speaker 1: to the international pressure and not defend itself. Like you
24:00
Speaker 1: come into my house, guns ablazing. I'm coming after you,
24:05
Speaker 1: guns a blazing. I'm not gonna sit there and be like, Okay, hey,
24:08
Speaker 1: put you, Hey, don't break in my house again, Okay,
24:10
Speaker 1: like you'd be nice to me, like I'm trying to
24:13
Speaker 1: de escalate this thing. No, I'm coming after you with
24:17
Speaker 1: every bit of firepower that I have. And that's exactly
24:21
Speaker 1: what any country should do in this moment.
24:24
Speaker 2: But there's two things right now.
24:25
Speaker 1: They're playing to the advantage of the Biden administration's policy.
24:28
Speaker 1: One he believes he's gaining votes by being anti Israel,
24:33
Speaker 1: and that's clear Michael Moore's I played for you earlier.
24:36
Speaker 2: That's what they believe, and believe them when they this
24:39
Speaker 2: is how fundamental and how radical they are.
24:41
Speaker 1: They hate Jews, Okay, they're They're anti Semitic, full stop.
24:45
Speaker 1: But the other thing that's giving them cover right now
24:47
Speaker 1: is the fact that the media is not even covering
24:49
Speaker 1: the war and this attack on Israel because they've got
24:51
Speaker 1: Donald Trump to talk about, and Donald Trump is everything.
24:55
Speaker 2: I'll give you an example.
24:56
Speaker 1: MSNBC had a moment this afternoon that was disgusting.
25:02
Speaker 2: It on TV.
25:03
Speaker 1: Trump on Trial, Now break In, Now break in Trump's
25:08
Speaker 1: historic hush money trial, which which is not really historic.
25:12
Speaker 1: The hush money trial's a joke because Stormy Daniels put
25:16
Speaker 1: out a queer statement that she was not paid hush money.
25:20
Speaker 1: She was never paid hush money. It's her own words,
25:22
Speaker 1: she signed it. It's there, you can find it. I
25:24
Speaker 1: put it up on social media. That's her words. But
25:27
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter because Alvin Bragg has made how much money?
25:31
Speaker 1: How much money is Alvin Bragg made by going after
25:33
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. He has raised literally millions of dollars. Millions
25:42
Speaker 1: of dollars. Alvin Bragg is an individual that said vote
25:46
Speaker 1: for me, I'll go after Trump, and he's done it. Okay,
25:49
Speaker 1: he's paid off on that, Like, he's made good on
25:53
Speaker 1: that promise number one and number two, he's making an
25:57
Speaker 1: incredible amount of money off of this, the amount of
26:01
Speaker 1: cash that Alvin Bragg has brought in. In fact, he's
26:03
Speaker 1: raised about a million dollars. This came out today, over
26:08
Speaker 1: about a million dollars since he indicted Donald Trump alone
26:11
Speaker 1: and raised money before that on saying he was going.
26:14
Speaker 2: To go after Donald Trump.
26:16
Speaker 1: So this is a seven figure indictment. I didn't think
26:22
Speaker 1: we were supposed to live in a world where you
26:24
Speaker 1: could run for office and raise money off of indicting
26:28
Speaker 1: political opponents.
26:29
Speaker 2: Like that happens in third world countries.
26:32
Speaker 1: That happens in places that I would never want to
26:36
Speaker 1: even visit, much less live. And Alvin Bragg has made
26:40
Speaker 1: it clear he's making a living off of a going
26:43
Speaker 1: after his political opponents.
26:44
Speaker 2: Hey, vote for me and I'll go after Trump.
26:46
Speaker 1: Hey, now that I'm going after Trump and I've indicted Trump,
26:49
Speaker 1: and I'm teking him on a sham trial. I need
26:51
Speaker 1: your help, I need your support, And he's raised a
26:54
Speaker 1: million bucks because he indicted his political opponent. I thought
27:00
Speaker 1: that lawyers were supposed to have some sort of like
27:02
Speaker 1: code of conduct and ethics. There's just to be you know,
27:05
Speaker 1: above reproach with this stuff like where's the where's the bar?
27:09
Speaker 2: Right?
27:10
Speaker 1: How does this guy stay of his law license when
27:12
Speaker 1: he's actually running on the idea that hey, regardless of
27:14
Speaker 1: the facts, I'm indicting him, vote for me, and I'm
27:17
Speaker 1: indicting my political opponent, Donald Trump right the other side,
27:20
Speaker 1: vote for me. All right, Now that I've indicted him,
27:22
Speaker 1: I needed your money. Give me a million dollars, and
27:24
Speaker 1: I'll keep going after my political opponents, the people that.
27:26
Speaker 2: You hate like that, I.
27:28
Speaker 1: Would assume that that's got to be some sort of
27:30
Speaker 1: violation of your of your oath.
27:32
Speaker 2: Is a is a lawyer? Is a is a a
27:34
Speaker 2: person of the court? Haha? No, not not New York apparently.
27:40
Speaker 1: So we've got wall to wall coverage, which is helping
27:43
Speaker 1: Joe Biden because people aren't having to deal with watching
27:46
Speaker 1: what's really happening in Israel. And now you've got these
27:49
Speaker 1: people on TV that are saying things, for example, like
27:53
Speaker 1: our founding fathers would be in dismay if they saw
27:57
Speaker 1: Trump today.
27:58
Speaker 2: Listen to this on him, as.
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Speaker 10: We've been noting that this is the first time in
28:03
Speaker 10: American history that a former president is on trial, and
28:07
Speaker 10: Donald Trump is also challenging that very premise with his
28:10
Speaker 10: upcoming Supreme Court case, arguing that he should have immunity,
28:14
Speaker 10: that it is unconstitutional for him to be on trial
28:16
Speaker 10: at all. But this is not only a test of
28:18
Speaker 10: the American legal system, is also a test of constitutional democracy.
28:23
Speaker 10: Joining me now is Michael Beschlass NBC, his presidential historian,
28:27
Speaker 10: and John Neachum historian and the Rogers Distinguished Professor at
28:30
Speaker 10: Vandebolt University. So glad to talk to both of you.
28:34
Speaker 10: And of course John is also the author of the
28:36
Speaker 10: book and there was Light Abraham Lincoln and the American Struggle. So, Michael, Freshiew,
28:43
Speaker 10: what do you see as at stake in terms of
28:47
Speaker 10: the history, in the way this trial is conducted, in
28:51
Speaker 10: the way the way it turns out.
28:55
Speaker 11: Well, let's have a very brief and I promise brief
28:57
Speaker 11: visit to our founders in seventeen eighty seven writing the Constitution.
29:02
Speaker 11: I think they felt that they had created a political
29:05
Speaker 11: system that would choose people as presidents who were not
29:08
Speaker 11: too likely to have been to be accused of criminal conduct.
29:13
Speaker 2: I think that's safe.
29:14
Speaker 11: So if they came back in twenty twenty four, the
29:18
Speaker 11: first thing they would say, I think is, you know,
29:21
Speaker 11: our system did not work.
29:22
Speaker 2: What happened.
29:24
Speaker 11: But you know, you were talking a little bit earlier,
29:26
Speaker 11: Andrea and also the others were as well, you know,
29:29
Speaker 11: have we seen anything like this in history? And actually
29:31
Speaker 11: we have in nineteen seventy two. Richard Nixon as president
29:35
Speaker 11: June in nineteen seventy two, on that famous tape, probably
29:39
Speaker 11: obstructed justice and did so to keep damaging information out
29:45
Speaker 11: of the minds the knowledge of the public so that
29:48
Speaker 11: he could be sure to win election as president in
29:51
Speaker 11: nineteen seventy two. That has a parallel here Nixon when
29:56
Speaker 11: he quit in nineteen seventy four because of this thought
29:59
Speaker 11: he was going to jail. And I think we should
30:02
Speaker 11: say that if Gerald Ford had not pardoned him, Nixon
30:05
Speaker 11: probably would have been put on criminal trial, and most
30:09
Speaker 11: legal experts think that he would have been convicted and
30:11
Speaker 11: sent to jail. So the point is that this has
30:14
Speaker 11: happened before. But what should we say if people just
30:19
Speaker 11: say there's something wrong with our system, this is a
30:22
Speaker 11: setup for Donald Trump. You know, the problem is not
30:25
Speaker 11: with him, it's with the system. That's something that people
30:28
Speaker 11: did not say about Nixon in nineteen seventy four.
30:31
Speaker 2: So there you go.
30:32
Speaker 1: Our founding, our founders writing the Constitution would say, quote,
30:36
Speaker 1: our system did not work. If they saw Trump today,
30:41
Speaker 1: our system did not work.
30:42
Speaker 2: What happened?
30:44
Speaker 1: That is the propaganda wall to wall on TV as
30:48
Speaker 1: we speak. They're out there totally obsessed with this and
30:53
Speaker 1: they want to lock up Okay, they want to lock
30:57
Speaker 1: up the president of the United States of America.
31:00
Speaker 2: And it's all because they hate his politics.
31:03
Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's it, folks, that's.
31:06
Speaker 2: The whole thing.
31:07
Speaker 1: Former Trump attorney cracks up Jake Tapper by mimicking potential
31:13
Speaker 1: juror with Irish accent who said she despised Trump. This
31:17
Speaker 1: is this is part of what they're doing on TV.
31:19
Speaker 2: Listen.
31:20
Speaker 12: So obviously Manhattan, Ish and the surrounding Burroughs are not
31:26
Speaker 12: exactly known as being a ground zero.
31:29
Speaker 2: For support of Donald Trump.
31:31
Speaker 12: What's the best way to make sure you get a
31:33
Speaker 12: fair jury for a Republican president in a largely democratic city.
31:39
Speaker 13: Well, Jake, here's the problem with what you just said.
31:43
Speaker 13: Most people, I think the way even you phrased it,
31:46
Speaker 13: Manhattan and the surrounding burrows. You know, the bronx, the
31:50
Speaker 13: Staten Island, Queens, Brooklyn.
31:52
Speaker 4: People think that's where you pull from, but you don't.
31:54
Speaker 13: When the Manhattan d eight files charges, you only pick
31:59
Speaker 13: from the island of Manhattan. So you know, you need
32:02
Speaker 13: that cop from Staten Island, you need that firefighter from
32:05
Speaker 13: Queens to kind of balance things out. But your subset
32:08
Speaker 13: is the island of Manhattan. And I just can tell
32:11
Speaker 13: you my personal experience was that that's not a great
32:15
Speaker 13: demographic in this case, my thoughts from having done it once.
32:20
Speaker 12: So how given I appreciate the correction I did, You're right,
32:23
Speaker 12: I did think that Staton Island to be part of it.
32:26
Speaker 12: Stateton Island obviously went for Trump, the only borough to
32:29
Speaker 12: do so in the twenty twenty election. So given the
32:32
Speaker 12: limitations of Manhattan, how do you do it? How do
32:35
Speaker 12: you find a fair jury?
32:37
Speaker 13: Well, I'll tell you, Jake, when we were doing it,
32:40
Speaker 13: and Judge bart Shawn is a very serious man, he's
32:44
Speaker 13: very smart, he's extremely courteous. I mean, I'm not getting
32:48
Speaker 13: into people's biases or prejudice.
32:50
Speaker 4: I'm not qualified to do that.
32:52
Speaker 13: I can tell you having spent seven weeks with the man,
32:54
Speaker 13: he's a gentleman and he gave us as much time
32:57
Speaker 13: as we needed. However, you know, he wanted to get
32:59
Speaker 13: a jury, so we had a lady b I'm.
33:01
Speaker 12: Sorry interrupt the person just for one second.
33:04
Speaker 2: I apologize.
33:05
Speaker 12: We're just showing the first very image of Donald Trump
33:07
Speaker 12: from inside the courtroom.
33:08
Speaker 2: It's a still.
33:09
Speaker 12: Photograph that we're showing there. Just don't want to make
33:11
Speaker 12: sure our viewers know what they're looking at.
33:13
Speaker 2: Please continue. I apologize. We had a.
33:17
Speaker 13: Lady come up as a prospective jurer. I've been picking
33:20
Speaker 13: juris for about thirty five years.
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Speaker 4: She looked good to me, a lady in.
33:24
Speaker 13: The mid forties of Irish extraction.
33:27
Speaker 4: She spoke with a brogue.
33:28
Speaker 13: She worked in an Irish pub and in our questionnaire
33:31
Speaker 13: questions twenty nine and thirty said do you have any
33:34
Speaker 13: four do you have any strong feelings about the former president?
33:37
Speaker 13: And if so, would they affect your ability to be fair?
33:40
Speaker 13: And she checked them, so I said, well, ma'am, you know,
33:43
Speaker 13: would they be positive or negative? Feelings.
33:45
Speaker 2: And she says, oh, I despise that mine.
33:47
Speaker 13: And I said, I guess it was late in the day, Jake,
33:49
Speaker 13: And I said, I'll come on, don't sugarcoat things for me.
33:52
Speaker 4: Speak your mind. She says, oh, speak me mind.
33:54
Speaker 13: I hate him and Jake, I, you know, three and
33:57
Speaker 13: a half decades since Ronald Reagan was president, been knocking
34:00
Speaker 13: around picking juries.
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Speaker 4: I was floored.
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Speaker 13: And I looked over at Judge Berchon, expecting him to
34:05
Speaker 13: meet my gaze and dismiss her. And he said, now, well, now,
34:08
Speaker 13: wait a minute. He's got his robe on and the
34:10
Speaker 13: pomp and circumstance of the court room. If I instructed
34:13
Speaker 13: you on the law, could you put those feelings aside
34:16
Speaker 13: and be fair? And she said, like most people say
34:18
Speaker 13: when they see the judge in that black robe.
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Speaker 4: Sure, Judge. So she made it to the second round.
34:24
Speaker 13: I got her out a different way, but it was
34:26
Speaker 13: like rows of shark teeth, they just kept coming. And
34:29
Speaker 13: she wasn't the dangerous Jew or Jake because she answered
34:32
Speaker 13: the questions the Jura who just answers no questions.
34:37
Speaker 4: And you just have a gut feeling.
34:39
Speaker 13: You say, if it's a male jury, say Sarah, you
34:42
Speaker 13: seem to be the perfect jew on paper. There's nothing
34:44
Speaker 13: about the former president that gives you put nah, I'm fine,
34:48
Speaker 13: put me in.
34:49
Speaker 4: I'll be great.
34:49
Speaker 13: And that's the Jura that I worry about, the Jura
34:52
Speaker 13: who has some type of ulterior motive to get on
34:55
Speaker 13: that case to settle a score.
34:57
Speaker 1: Leave it to Jake Tapper to laugh at these seriousness
35:01
Speaker 1: of the situation.
35:02
Speaker 2: Like, oh, this is so funny. Ha ha ha. We're
35:05
Speaker 2: gonna lock up Donald Trump.
35:06
Speaker 1: We're gonna bankrupt him, We're gonna make him sell his assets.
35:10
Speaker 2: This is how much they hate him.
35:12
Speaker 1: The laugh on TV about the scenario that Trump is
35:15
Speaker 1: in that they know is cooking the books against him,
35:18
Speaker 1: because it's absolutely a Manhattan jury that is going to
35:22
Speaker 1: hate him, and we know that from the voting numbers
35:25
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