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Dr. Dawn Brown discusses pioneer of the Mental Health Movement · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: changes the game. My name is Dr Don Brown. Dr
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  Speaker 1: Don Brown is a double board certified Child, Adolescent, Adult
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  Speaker 1: and Sports Psychiatrists. That's a lot. Let me see that
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  Speaker 1: one more time. Dr Brown is a double boards or
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  Speaker 1: the five child, Adolescent, Adult and Sports Psychiatrists. Reason. I
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  Speaker 1: bringing up because my daughter, she was a tenis prodigy
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  Speaker 1: of sixteen, and I know that we had to use
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  Speaker 1: a person like this services because when you get into sports,
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  Speaker 1: you question yourself a lot and then you could be
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  Speaker 1: your an injury. You can come in and play, and
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  Speaker 1: so it's a lot of things that physical and many
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  Speaker 1: the many mental aspects of that athleticism and also in
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  Speaker 1: everyday life that comes into play. She's also a pioneer
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  Speaker 1: of the mental health movement and then nationally recognize two
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  Speaker 1: time number one best selling author Forbes. Right there, a
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  Speaker 1: d h D coach, mental health expert, and public speaker.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to discuss with Dr Brown why she chose
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  Speaker 1: psychiatry as our specialty, how to prioritize your health and
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  Speaker 1: the stigma regarding mental health. That's a big one right there.
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  Speaker 1: living in Houston, straight out of flat Michigan, Dr On Brown,
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  Speaker 1: how are you doing? Dr Brown? Mr Sean, thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much for having me. It's a pleasure to be here.
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Thank you for well. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: you look fair, task got that got money green on?
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  Speaker 1: You got money green On Now I'd said it a
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  Speaker 1: little bit earlier. Flip Michigan. We know what's going on
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  Speaker 1: up there now, just not the story about trying to
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  Speaker 1: get find out what's going on with the drinking water.
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  Speaker 1: But it is a part of your past and part
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  Speaker 1: of your life because I'm sure your relative stealing up there.
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  Speaker 1: Now you're in Houston, Texas, and we just came out
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  Speaker 1: that freeze storm to basically shut down the state of
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  Speaker 1: Texas and and saw how they weren't prepared and what
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  Speaker 1: we call a state dis supposed to have they act together.
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  Speaker 1: That's the State of Texas. And we're still dealing with
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  Speaker 1: the consequences of that freeze that really caused the loss
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  Speaker 1: of a lot of lives. And that's important. So when
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  Speaker 1: you're dealing with that, That's all the reason I bring
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  Speaker 1: this up is that those situations cause mental stress. The
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  Speaker 1: flip mission that you Michigan situation where people are drinking water,
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  Speaker 1: they have to worry if that war that's going to
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  Speaker 1: cause a deformity and a childbirthing situation or cut short
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  Speaker 1: their life where their children grow up, where they affect
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  Speaker 1: their brain or they grow they or their growth patterns.
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  Speaker 1: That's Flint Michigan. Then you deal with the free situation
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  Speaker 1: that happened in Texas and people are still trying to
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  Speaker 1: recover from the mental I guess I want to say
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  Speaker 1: effect of trust. Uh, will it happened again? Will I
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  Speaker 1: be prepared to happen with that? Talk about the whole
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  Speaker 1: mental makeup of people in general when stress comes into
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  Speaker 1: their life. It's a very interesting question you bring up,
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  Speaker 1: and even to mention Hurricane Harvey in there as well.
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  Speaker 1: Write in the comparisons, you know, trauma can be a
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  Speaker 1: blessing and a curse. It's actually silverlignement trauma. And how
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  Speaker 1: I say that is because it's obvious the curse, right,
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  Speaker 1: the traumatic experience that people can experience with, how traumatizing
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  Speaker 1: the situation and condition experience could be for someone, How
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  Speaker 1: that affects the mentality, how they affects their emotional health,
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  Speaker 1: their physical health. And then just like you're saying their
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  Speaker 1: trust factor, you know what's gonna happen next is the
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  Speaker 1: Bob'm gonna drop out again. I cannot be happy because
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  Speaker 1: I know something bad is going to happen. But then
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  Speaker 1: it is. It's the blessing. Many people have, you know,
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  Speaker 1: been motivated by trauma. You know, the determination, the diligence,
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  Speaker 1: the drive, the resilience of trauma, right, and so wanting
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  Speaker 1: to motivate yourself out of a situation, find the tools
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  Speaker 1: and the keys necessary to do so, and never stop
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  Speaker 1: giving up. So, but but then the baggage is still there,
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  Speaker 1: and if you don't address if you don't deal with it,
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  Speaker 1: it can actually affect your mental health particularly and leave
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  Speaker 1: a lot of starters. Well, let's talk about the mental
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  Speaker 1: health from the standpoint of just day to day living.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the minority community and where we all
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  Speaker 1: know in the minority community kind of huns from showing weaknesses,
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  Speaker 1: and some people feel that if you admit that you
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  Speaker 1: have a mental illness, then you are weak, that you
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  Speaker 1: are showing a flaw. A flaw all that can that
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  Speaker 1: can have people measure you based on your credibility. Your
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  Speaker 1: sustainability is far as what you can do with your life. Now,
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  Speaker 1: let's let's backtrack a little bit about the minority community
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  Speaker 1: in Houston, Texas. I'm just using the Houston, Texas as
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  Speaker 1: an example because I forgot about Hyricane Harvey. In twenty seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: Hyricane Harvey happens, twity devastated the city of Houston. That's
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  Speaker 1: minorities who would affected the most minorities. Then you move
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  Speaker 1: forward into and COVID hit on top of devastated the
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  Speaker 1: minority community. Okay, then the George Floyd's situation came out,
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  Speaker 1: riding on social and civil unrest. Still on top of that,
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  Speaker 1: you were dealing with COVID nineteen. How do you deal
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  Speaker 1: with that? No vaccination? Then we move into Texas, then
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  Speaker 1: we did the still on top of that, no vaccination
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  Speaker 1: yet the big Texas freeze hit. Who did it affect
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  Speaker 1: the most minorities? Okay, now we're coming out. We have
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  Speaker 1: a vaccination set up when we can getvaccinated, and minorities
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  Speaker 1: are one of the slowest group. They want to get vaccinated.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what the trust comes in. But there's also
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  Speaker 1: distress because not jobs are saying if you don't get vaccinated,
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  Speaker 1: you may not have a job here anymore. Dr Brown,
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  Speaker 1: the floor is yours now. You know, it's so much
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  Speaker 1: to unpack there, right, because historically mental health, physical health,
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  Speaker 1: just medical and general medical health has not done people
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  Speaker 1: of color due diligence, has not been justified, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is an actual industry that has actually been targeted
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  Speaker 1: towards people of color. Haven't been there, mistreated, um, not treated,
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  Speaker 1: not diagnosed properly. I mean, I can go on and
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  Speaker 1: on and when you talk about mental health, all of
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  Speaker 1: those factors play a role in it's few of us.
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  Speaker 1: The lack of access, the lack of education coming from
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  Speaker 1: people like me that look like people who want to
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  Speaker 1: hear information, you want help, but just don't know who
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  Speaker 1: to trust, where to go to if they have the
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  Speaker 1: financial need or the financial reasons of being able to go. UM.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just so much right, and so what
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  Speaker 1: we try to do is we try to just started
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  Speaker 1: one step at a time. UM, when you have insult
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  Speaker 1: after insult, um that you're saying rashan from you know,
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  Speaker 1: things outside of our controls, such as weather patterns and
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  Speaker 1: you know the traumatic effects of Harvey in Houston, and
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  Speaker 1: then like you're saying the power outs, the water out
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  Speaker 1: EAGs here in Houston, and then you're talking about um
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  Speaker 1: COVID nineteen and you're talking about people like look like
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  Speaker 1: me that are you know, brutalized and murdered in the
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  Speaker 1: street protests going on. I mean, it's insult after insults.
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  Speaker 1: So what happens to our emotional health? Traumatized? And it's
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  Speaker 1: hard and if we don't do something about that, then
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  Speaker 1: it could be actually jeopardizing and very dangerous because those
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  Speaker 1: scars don't heal, they don't heal at all unless you
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  Speaker 1: address them. You know, you can have a physical wound
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  Speaker 1: and you can actually see how the womb is is
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  Speaker 1: how the skin, which is the largest organized system, can
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  Speaker 1: actually do miraculous things. And just covering up that scar.
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  Speaker 1: You may have something to remind you of that scar,
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  Speaker 1: but it's not a wound that's open, it's cut, that's
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  Speaker 1: not you know, vicious. But when you're talking about emotional
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  Speaker 1: health is something completely different, and a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: scars actually can become generational, it can actually be triggering
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  Speaker 1: and actually can come up in different situations where you're
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  Speaker 1: not even thinking about it subconsciously. So, yes, emotional health
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  Speaker 1: is just as equally as important as physical health, and
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  Speaker 1: in our community people of color, we definitely have to
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  Speaker 1: talk about Well, let's talk about that, because I really
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  Speaker 1: like that analogy of the open scar, a wound that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't heal, because let's talk about that for missing because
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  Speaker 1: that's what happens from the mental lass. We can't see it,
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  Speaker 1: so it cannot be acknowledged as a problem to the
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  Speaker 1: everyday viewer or the every day i've you came in.
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  Speaker 1: If I came into the house and my daughter came
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  Speaker 1: into the house and her knee was scarred, we go,
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  Speaker 1: what's wrong, Let's fix that. We put some salve on
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  Speaker 1: his some alcohol shild streams my dady, now though didn't
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  Speaker 1: put the band aids on. Then all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: we'll watch it, make sure it doesn't get infected, and
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  Speaker 1: then when it's when it's when it's repaired fully, then
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  Speaker 1: we're comfortable again. Now, from a mental aspect, we don't
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  Speaker 1: see that. So if we did come in here and
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  Speaker 1: we saw a wound on the side of your head,
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  Speaker 1: and that's signified that you were having mental stress, then
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  Speaker 1: we will know what to do. And guess what we
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  Speaker 1: would do, Dr Brown, We will want to fix that problem.
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  Speaker 1: But when it's mental, then all of a sudden, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of terms he crazy, he don't have good sense,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of terms that I've heard in my neighborhood
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  Speaker 1: where you know that's don't don't, don't go dust to him,
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  Speaker 1: deemed that somebody who was not who is mentally stressed,
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  Speaker 1: was a person that you should stay away from in
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  Speaker 1: the minority community. Am I right or wrong? No, You're
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  Speaker 1: exactly a hundred percent right. I mean, a band aid
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  Speaker 1: is to cover up a wound, just like a smile,
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  Speaker 1: just cut up depression. Right. But again there's an historical
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  Speaker 1: analogy here. We were taught not to show emotions, right,
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  Speaker 1: Think about slavery. If you showed a bit of emotion,
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  Speaker 1: then you were actually beaten, bruised, victimized, shunned all of
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  Speaker 1: those things, right, And so we had to be strong
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  Speaker 1: um in order to survive that time period, in order
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  Speaker 1: to make it to another day, in order to be okay.
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  Speaker 1: But again, historically we were taught to do that, and
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  Speaker 1: that's become generational part of the generational purse, if you
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  Speaker 1: that emotion, right, And it's taught that if this is
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  Speaker 1: It's okay not to have to smile all the time.
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  Speaker 1: It's okay to cry, it's God's tears. Let you say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I need an emotional release because I'm human. And back
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  Speaker 1: then we weren't considered human, considered animals, we were considered victims,
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  Speaker 1: We were considered all these things that we couldn't actually
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  Speaker 1: express ourselves. And part of that mentality is still again
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  Speaker 1: or or remove the barriers of fear. It's all right
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  Speaker 1: to say you are depressed. It's all right to say
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  Speaker 1: that you that you don't feel good, and and that
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  Speaker 1: you you're stressing, and that you this is you, you
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  Speaker 1: right to take vacation away from your world. And so
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  Speaker 1: I say that because when I talk to when I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking to you, Dr Brown, take this stuff very personal
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  Speaker 1: because of the fact that people can criticize, and people
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  Speaker 1: don't know the power of criticism and really can stop
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people from seeking help. And am I
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  Speaker 1: am I correct what I'm saying that, yes, yes you are.
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  Speaker 1: It is because not only do you have to consider
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  Speaker 1: the criticism that comes externally, but how internally as well.
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  Speaker 1: Right well, criticize ourselves, you know, and that's important. So
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  Speaker 1: so because I you know, like I said, we have
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  Speaker 1: a lot to talk about it, but I want to
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  Speaker 1: just talk about that little partition. But I want to
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  Speaker 1: was it important to you know, wrap put the word
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  Speaker 1: athletic and health together and maybe they understand it's all
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: has always been one. You know, I don't care if
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: you Venus Williams or if you're Tom Brady. There is
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: a psychology, there's a mental ability. There's been known that
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: that the reason Serena Williams has not one her gram
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Sleer record because she stresses out too much in the finals.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: And you said Serena Willims, yes, yes, stress and mental
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: breakdowns have cost her from achieving her dream of winning
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: all the last few Grand Slams that she's been in.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: And so even at that high level, how did you
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: come in with these clinics that you created a combined
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: health and athletics That reason right there you mentioned the mission.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: You know, I want athletes to understand that they're human
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: just who happened to have athletic abilities, So we recognize
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: them as human first, and a lot of times when
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: they were younger, you know, they were identified as athletes.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: So many of them don't even understand who they are.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: You know, they're trying to find your identity through it
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: all through their journey, and oftentimes that comes too late
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: during retirement, and that's where we see a lot of
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: mental health conditions as well that may come up. But
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: when you talk about an active athlete who is injured,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: who actually is trying to top last year's numbers, who
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: is going for the three p I mean all of
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: these pressures mental conditioning cannot deal with. I mean they
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: have mental health issues just like us. Actually, in a
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: matter of fact, more of them have mental health issues
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: than the general population. So I thought it was critical
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: too so they can understand that, Hey, I see you.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: You're human first. As a recognized psychiatrist, I'm here this issue.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: All of you may not need medicine. All of you
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: may just need a listening ear. How about just wanting
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: to hear what you want in life? Right? Wanting to
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: understand what happened to last night's game that the interview
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: didn't address. There are criticizing you before you, but to
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: even you know, process what's happened, so you know it
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: could be as little as that or as big as
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: an issue as having a family history of trauma that
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: got them out the neighborhood to go pro That was
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: a part of their journey, right, So I wanted something
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: that it can be all inclusive, that UM athletes can
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: take advantage of and working with someone like me, and
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: that is trust. You know that they can trust let
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: measure it. So so you were there for them. So
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: why did you I hear what you know just the
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: journey we were talking about now, but earlier when we
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: came out of high school we started going into college.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: What led you to this field, what led you this
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: range of study? Why it came to me? Rashaan Um?
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I actually um recently. I graduated from my child Fellowship
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: program at Baylor, and I was in private practice for
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: about two too and a half years and a Houston
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Rocket player came to see me in my private practice
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: and here his wife came and he was as experiencing anxiety.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: He didn't know what the terminology was at the time him,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: but he actually said, I'm just I'm short of air
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: like I'm short of bread. I can't breathe, and these
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: are the conditions that lead to me not being able
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: to breathe. And so he was describing some of these
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: instances and we actually came up with the terminology that
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: identified him having patic attacks underneath the umbrella of having
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: an anxiety disorder. And so that's how it started. And
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: you know the cools are so small, right, I mean,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: nowadays do you have different professional associations, um that are
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: gun Hole for mental health mental awareness And I'm loving
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: these initiatives that are now out. But back then, even
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: just six years ago, it was difficult for him to
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: come to me. He came with his wife his experiences
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: for four or five years. It affected his game. It
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: affected his game to the point he's not even playing anymore.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: He could very well be playing, right. Um. So yes,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: that's how it say the thing about it. First of all,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: when we talked about mental health and uh, because I
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: I people always saying how do you juggle so much?
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Because it's levels of stress, you know. And I also
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: know how to walk away, you know, like I watched TV.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: You know, you know you asked me on Netflix. I
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: watched Netflix. You know, I watched Disney, you know, I
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: watched sports. So what I'm telling everybody is that what
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: helps you is what walks you away from the stress.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: And I remember when I bought the house in Atlanta
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: and I told my wife, I said, I gotta be
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: near water as she said. She said why, I said,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: because I need to be able to walk out there
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: and just see something simple. And and I remember we
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: was I'm just telling everybody and just listen to how
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: ideal would stress and because they're they're they're little tricks
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: to it, and their tricks that you can do yourself.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: But what I try to do myself is that I
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: try to make sure that every day looks different. In
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: other words, we was in a high rise dr Brown
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: and I started noticing that the tree tops look the
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: same every day, and I told mar we can't stay here.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: She said, what I said, it looks the same. I said,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I gotta have something that triggers my mind to be
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: creative into another journey. And so she said, okay, she's
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: that's dear prison. Now now it looks same every day.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I got trees like trees I used to account them. Okay,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: So so what happens I think in a lot of things,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: and I'm talking to a professional and I'm talking to you,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: is that how I deal with that and being able
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: to deal with stress, deal with the inside, to deal
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: with depression. I tried to take myself in something normal.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: That's when I said normal go to the park, you know,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: go fishing, do normal things that are breaking the cycle
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: create a different conversation. And with people stress, they're stressing
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: because they're not breaking the norm. This is just Rashan
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: McDonald's way of thinking about it. I just want to know,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: have I been on the right path all these years?
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Can you help me? Your doctor? Seriously, very insightful of
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: you to even bring that up, because it's about taking
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: a break from that has been my complete message to people. Um,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: you gotta take breaks, and then you have to take
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of them. Similar to you, Rashwan, I actually
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: relocated to another part of Houston because my primary goal
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: was to have a view of the city. In Michigan.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I wanted a view of the city because that's what helps,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: you know, just really bring me back to reality. But
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing different stories, traumatic story situations, people's anxieties, depression.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: It's easy for me to take that on. So I
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: have to take a break. And having a view was
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: very important and so that he'll determine where I am
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: and that has been a lifesaver for me. But you
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: have to find something that's allowing you to break away
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: from routine, from stress, vacations are important. You gotta schedule
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: them like your schedule meetings right, even even your daily breaks.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: If the will show how many people don't even break
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: during the day. Every year we say, well, wake up earlier,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: exercise more, really rest and eat healthier. It's hard for us,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: but for dogs not so much. Don't drop at dawn,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: run for fun, sleep like the champs, and they love
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: eating fresh, healthy food every single meal. Give your dog
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: another healthy habit, real fresh food from the Farmer's Dog.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Get off your first box at the Farmer's Dog dot
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  Speaker 1: com slash listen. What grows in the forest? Trees? Sure
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: you know what else grows in the forest? Our imagination,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: our sense of wonder, and our family bonds grow too,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: because when we disconnect from this and connect with this,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: we reconnect with each other. The forest is closer than
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: you think. Find a forest near you and start exploring.
• 26:01
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  Speaker 1: the United States Forest Service and the AD Council. What
• 26:08
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• 26:11
  Speaker 1: grows in the forest. Our imagination, our sense of wonder,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: and our family bonds grow too, because when we disconnect
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: from this and connect with this, We reconnect with each other.
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  Speaker 1: and the AD Council. You know. That's that's why I
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: was important when I when our schedule this interview because
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: of the fact that when you're starting a business, stress,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: when you're starting a relationship, stress, when you're having children, stress,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: when you're doing a job, you know different. That's why
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I had to mention about especially in the Houston market.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: We can go to different parts of the country. You
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: can do the stress that came in a state of
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Georgia when Resident Trump and was down here saying that
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: the voting was was illegal, that they were cheating. You
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: had the Republican stress, you had a Democrats stress, and
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: then you had then you had the Black Lives Matter
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: movement running around. They were being called thugs, being called
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: a terrorist group. That level of stress your profession, I
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: would have to believe it is understressed too, because so
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: many people are coming to you for so many new answers.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Dr Brown, Yeah, we're in a pandemic as well. Mental
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: health is in its own pandemic. The one thing about
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: is whatever shan is that people are coming to get help,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: and technology has been a huge king um in creating
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: that access for many people who formally didn't have access,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: who didn't want to come to a place to get help.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: The screen these stigmas is a part of that. The
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: stigmatizing experience from people where they're in the cover of
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: their homes talking about something that's triggering and they're able
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: to communicate that through a screen has been helpful. Insurance
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: companies have gotten on board to provide coverage for Telly
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: psychiatry so that people can get help. E A p
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: S are on board to be able to allow therapy
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: sessions for their employees who have been at home over
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: a year and a half. So people are understanding this
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: mental health movement now, they understand how important mental health
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: is and it is amazing to see that. But we're
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: still in the pandemic and we're gonna be in this
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: for quite some time. So you know, yes, everywhere it's
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: a part of our normalcy, our normal day life, but
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: we have to understand that, hey, there is help out
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: there in order for you to help manage that while
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: you're dealing with it as well. Well. You know, the
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: help is first of all, I have to be acknowledged
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: by youth, you know, I know, like I said, I've
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: acknowledged the fact that I need. I need. I need
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: to see things, movements and things like that. That relaxed
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: my triggers. And that's a popular word you're here, especially
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: when you talking about mental health. What are your triggers,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: whether what are the bad triggers or what are the
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: good triggers. The good triggers for me is that I
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: gotta be, so I gotta see change all the time.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I gotta be. And I'm not talking about I gotta
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: hear loud music, I gotta go to a party, I
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: gotta drink. I gotta be the life of that. And
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I'm stepping out of my own being to know I'm
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: talking about I go down to my little lake. I
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: sit down, and I watched the fish and it relaxes me,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: and if and then and it takes me down a
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: little bit where I can't see any streets. I can
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: see part of my house. So I'm almost in my
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: little world. And so and it's kind of like that
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: been that way for me, you know, my whole life though,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Dr Bro, I've I've I've unconsciously figured out positive triggers
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: for me. You know, in New York, a lot of
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: people I can't stand. There's crowds. I love the crowds,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: but then you come to my My place is spacious,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: you know, and so I'm not so I don't care
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: that crowded environment of the streets into my home environment.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Hey hey, I got these walls too close. Okay, So
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: so it's really about some of the decision. But the
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: bigger thing I'll take away in this conversation and why
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: you're so important, is that there's so many people who
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: have not found the positive triggers, and that's why you
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: are so important to talk to us about that. Hey man,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Hey man, I have an a d h D mind.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I mean I have a d h D and the
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: n B with a d h D if you will,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: And so, like you, I love the noise, the action,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: the stimuli because it allows me to be moving with it. Right,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I'm motivated by it. I'm driven unproductive. But then there
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: are times when it's just too much for me and
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: it's overstimulating. So I have to travel. So my positive
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: triggers international travel and The reason I say international because
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: it gets me out of my comfort zone. I go alone.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I want to learn about different cultures that I don't
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: know anything about, meeting new people, so it's a lot
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: of newness that allows me to be in a very calm,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: me right type of mood and zone. Positive triggers are
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: so important. I'm glad you brought that up because oftentimes
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: when we talk about triggers, the automatic thought process about
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: that is it's negative. But no are positive triggers, and
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: we need positive triggers to balance out um our ability,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: to manage stress. We need positive triggers to understand when
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: it need to know when it's time to take that break,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: when it's time take that vacation, right when it's time
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: to go to bed at night. It's not you know,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: being up at two o'clock in the morning because you
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: always gonna have work to do. I want to take something.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I want to say something, you dr Brown, because I'm
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: kind of a not a know that you but a
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: know it in this system. You know, like because you
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: know May is you know mental health Awareness month. Okay,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: it's not just one month, everybody, okay, And and and
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: that gives you a false sense that we're gonna recognize
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: this month and the problem goes away. It's every day,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: every hour, how you deal with it, how you relate
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: to it. And I brought Dr Brown on this show,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: you know, to let you know that she's here for you.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: She's here to to give you a sense of awareness,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: a sense of hope. Uh ear and when when, when
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: that ear is listening to you, she's gonna give you answers.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: And if you if you don't have the answers, then
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: she's willing to walk you through the steps to get
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: to that answer. You come and when you come to
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: a person like Dr Brown, her centers and and what
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: she's trying to do is she's trying to let you
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: know that it's time to acknowledge there is something wrong.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: She that's the key, right, Dr Brown, that's the key.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: And you know, mental health doesn't necessarily just mean, Um,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I'm having some little thoughts, I'm hearing voices or you know,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: these these the kind of the extreme of it. It
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: could be that I'm fatigue, I'm tired, I'm using my
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: ear right, nothing is you know, I'm having thoughts that
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily worthy. Like the health shows up for
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: different people at different levels of severity. And I love
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: people just you know, just like they get physical evaluations
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: and physical checks up, checkouts, people check ups. I would
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: love it people can go to a mentalth professional and
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: get an annual mental health check up. Wow, how better
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: they would be? How better this world would be? Um,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: it just will will normalize. We gotta normalize mental health
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: because it's important. We all experienced ment health. Like just
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: like you said at the beginning of our conversation, we
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: all have mental health issues and wellnesses, and so it's
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: important for us to take care of it. We got
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: what level it is? The thing about it when you
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: talk about fatigue. I remember one day my wife, I
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: get up and I'll just drive myself to the airport.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: And one day she's, I drive you, you know, I
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: gotta get up earlier. And we were we were driving,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: and she was driving and she was looking at me
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: in the passage. She says, she said, Wow, when are
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: you tired? When do you When are you tired? I said,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I'm tired right now. I said, But what I've learned
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: and I've created triggers to to be able to mask that, Okay,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: And I say, that's not a good thing too, to
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: mask fatigue. And so when you when you're doing things.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Mask is a dangerous term in the mental and physical
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: awareness because you can mask fatigue and it can lead
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: to other issues. That's why you have to know your body.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: In this case, you have to know your mind. And
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: and I'm not saying I'm a specialist. I'm just bringing
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: you on the show. You are especially and believe me,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: you got to come back on my show. I could
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: be talking to you for another hour because you and
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I we first of all, we're connecting. But I think
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: you understand how I think. And I have a lot
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: of natural awareness, and but you have the technical awareness.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Because I can't teach anybody what I know. It's it's
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: just something I've designed for myself. But you can't teach
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: individuals and get them to walk the path of lightening,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: you know, come out of the light. And because mental
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: health is darkness. If you live in you live in
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: mental health, that light is not on in that room.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: It's not on. And you can help them. So tell
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: us a little bit about in the website so we
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: can get that out there, so we can just start.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: You know, you, you you're my one. You tex Tex
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: is tex Is the High High Thights. Let's woke us
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: out of here, Prishan. You know that's why I really
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: appreciate and respect your platform. I I listened to you
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: all the time, and I love your openness with others.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I love your realness and you sharing your personal experiences
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: so people can connect with you. That's why we connect
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: so well. Because you're realist. You don't have to be
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: an expert to understand how this works. Your realness and
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: so I appreciate that about you. So thank you for
• 35:48
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