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Rushion Interviews Dr. T.M. Robinson-Mosley, Biggest mental health secrets for minorities and athletes! · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: living your dreams. My guess is Dr T. M. Robinson
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Speaker 1: mostly affectionately the only as mostly and this show we
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Speaker 1: will call her doctor mostly. She's counseling psychology. She's a
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Speaker 1: counseling psychologist and sports mental health expert, which is very
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Speaker 1: very important. It seems to be out there now and
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Speaker 1: it really want to talk a little bit back because
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Speaker 1: it wouldn't expose like this. So we had a lot
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Speaker 1: of years and decades and maybe centuries of athletes who
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Speaker 1: had this invincibility role. They had to play control the
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Speaker 1: vulnerability or people would have deemed that is weak. She's
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Speaker 1: a principle and the managing partner mostly and a Socialist Consulting,
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Speaker 1: which is the umbrella brand for counseling and psychological services
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Speaker 1: sports Performance. Because sports Performance Consultant inclusive belonging to training
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Speaker 1: and culturally responsive leadership development. Dr Mosley developed a sports
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Speaker 1: mental health and wellness playbook and cutting edge turnkey solution
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Speaker 1: to one of the most challenging issues in sports, and
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Speaker 1: she needs at the mental health needs of athletes. Please
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Speaker 1: work with the Money Making Conversations Masterclass, Dr tm Robinson. Mostly,
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Speaker 1: how are you doing. I'm doing very well this morning.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. Well, I'm very excited.
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Speaker 1: I know we've had a little disconnect here and there,
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Speaker 1: but I wanted to get you on the call today.
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Speaker 1: We call in the video to talk about this because
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Speaker 1: you know, like Kevin you Love a few years ago
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Speaker 1: came out and admitted that he had some issues, and
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Speaker 1: we see more and more athletes coming out. I watched
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Speaker 1: my daughter who was a was a Tina's phenomen and
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you know, I always told my wife,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's what she really wanted to do.
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Speaker 1: She was just very good at it. And so that's
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Speaker 1: a psychological drama on what you have to deal with
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Speaker 1: that you have children out there doing things and functioning
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Speaker 1: and a role that they may not be done with,
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Speaker 1: but they just want to appease the parents. So what
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Speaker 1: role do you play at all this, Dr Mosley, Because
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Speaker 1: we're gonna back up a little bit and uh and
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Speaker 1: so we can move forward to fully understand why it's
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Speaker 1: so important to you and is there an endgame to
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Speaker 1: all of this? Well, thank you so much for that.
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Speaker 1: And I really appreciate your perspective too, because you've had
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Speaker 1: a firsthand experience of the pressures that come with being
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Speaker 1: at the highest level of sport. And it's not just
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Speaker 1: the the athlete, it's the people in their ecosystem that
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Speaker 1: impacted too, so their families. So that's that's something even
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Speaker 1: to talk about. But um, the role that I played
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Speaker 1: largely is working with these organizations so that they can
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Speaker 1: build winning team cultures UM and winning teams UM. And
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Speaker 1: by doing that to make sure that we are invested
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Speaker 1: in giving them a full service program that embow it
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Speaker 1: really empowers them to develop inclusive, impactic leaders. So these
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Speaker 1: leaders can lead with tools and a game plan on
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Speaker 1: how to kind foster a culture that's conducive to high
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Speaker 1: performing teams. Because it's not just enough to make sure
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Speaker 1: that the athletes or the coaches UM and the trainers
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Speaker 1: and volts have the tools that they need to be
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Speaker 1: successful on the field. The things that happened beyond the
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Speaker 1: game impact what happens during the game. And so it's
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Speaker 1: not enough for me to show up and make sure
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Speaker 1: that the athletes have the resources and the tools and
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Speaker 1: strategies if we're sending them right back into an environment
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Speaker 1: that's not conducive to getting the absolute best out of them.
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Speaker 1: So the Wellness and Performance Playbook program UH is kind
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Speaker 1: of a custom designed UM high intensity, high performing approach
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Speaker 1: UM specifically for leaders as well as the teams and
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Speaker 1: the athletes. And we've helped over for the organizations across
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Speaker 1: UH Collegiate and Pro Best in Sports UM, and those
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Speaker 1: teams have won championships and so we're connecting that peak performance,
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Speaker 1: mental health and well being are connected to winning. And
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Speaker 1: that's the key. It is the key conversation too about
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Speaker 1: there's a physical side of mental health and there's a
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Speaker 1: mental side of mental health, and let's let's slide back
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Speaker 1: to the physical side. When when sports and generals start
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Speaker 1: admitting there is a problem that we're talking about concussions
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Speaker 1: and admitting that we are athletes going out there who
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Speaker 1: are either concussed, which means they were incoherent, and they
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Speaker 1: were given that smelling salt, they staggered back out on
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Speaker 1: the field, and if they didn't go back on the field,
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Speaker 1: some people might say they were weak. A sense of
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Speaker 1: toughness now, because let's if we can talk about that,
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Speaker 1: because then after that was exposed, then we start talking
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Speaker 1: about the mental issues of mental health, because if you
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Speaker 1: can't expose one without admitting something to the other. And
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Speaker 1: I think the bigger problem is not some the concussion,
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Speaker 1: is the admission that I don't feel good, I don't
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Speaker 1: feel right, I'm uncomfortable, I need help. So am I
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Speaker 1: am I writing talking about the concussion exposure from a
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Speaker 1: physical side lead to more exposure to the mental side. UM.
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Speaker 1: I think UM talking about c t E and talking
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Speaker 1: about concussions UM in the NFL opened the door for
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Speaker 1: some conversations around that because it ended up being something
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Speaker 1: connected to a phenomenon that was connected to sport. I
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Speaker 1: think the interesting thing is that our mind and bodies
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Speaker 1: are injured connected, there's no separation, and we always say
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Speaker 1: in our business the injuries are not just physical, because
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Speaker 1: when you're injured, it impacts the well your ability to
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Speaker 1: function um let alone kind of in your sport, but
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Speaker 1: beyond it, and there's an exchange there. And the challenge
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Speaker 1: is that even when you're looking at injuries, the concerned
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Speaker 1: is am I going to get back to where I am?
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Speaker 1: Am I gonna be able to perform again? Um If
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Speaker 1: you're not at a place where you were able to
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Speaker 1: rehab and have a lot of support around you, it
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Speaker 1: can be a real challenging process and can be even
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Speaker 1: more detrimental to the initial injury as you try to recover,
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Speaker 1: because not only do you have the pressures of am
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Speaker 1: I going to be able to get back to where
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Speaker 1: I was? You were extremely isolated and lonely, and that
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Speaker 1: also leads to some behaviors that can be really challenging.
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Speaker 1: Right we're talking to Dr T. M. Robinson Moseley affectionately
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Speaker 1: no One. That's mostly we'll be calling the Dr Moseley
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Speaker 1: on this show. She developed a sports mental Health and
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Speaker 1: Wellness playbook, a cutting edge, turnkey solution to one of
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Speaker 1: the most challenging issues in sports, the mental health needs
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Speaker 1: of the athlete. One of the things that we've known
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Speaker 1: a lot is in the black and brown communities. Things
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Speaker 1: these are words that you don't hear therapy, mental health, depression, trauma,
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Speaker 1: and where used to culpe on what are the resources.
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Speaker 1: Let's start with therapy and then this, because I don't
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Speaker 1: want to like it, lump them all together. Okay, So
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Speaker 1: in the black and ground community, wires that wire is
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Speaker 1: the word therapy that brought up and how can we
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Speaker 1: make it a normal form of conversation when it comes
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Speaker 1: to care. Well, I love that we're even saying it.
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Speaker 1: Even more so, I'm a second generation psychologist. My mother
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Speaker 1: is a is a psychologist, and her her twin sister,
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Speaker 1: and so I grew up in the business, so to speak,
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Speaker 1: in the business of caring, as I like to say.
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Speaker 1: And many of the aspects of mental health which you
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Speaker 1: hit on I think, really really nicely in your opening,
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Speaker 1: have been heavily stigmatized. I'm weak, or I'm not going
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Speaker 1: to perform, or I'm not enough. It's from this deficit place.
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Speaker 1: And for us, we want to change the game and
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Speaker 1: change this conversation. And what's great is we're having more
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Speaker 1: and more people, particularly um young black men and women
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Speaker 1: who are at the forefront of talking about this UM
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Speaker 1: the Rozen and um Smane Biles and Naomi Osaka who
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Speaker 1: has been extremely vulnerable yet extremely powerful and being able
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Speaker 1: to make this part of platforms because we don't get
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Speaker 1: to peak performance if we don't take care of ourselves.
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Speaker 1: And so I always refrain therapy as a way that
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Speaker 1: it's very similar to your physical health. If we're going
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Speaker 1: to get checkups and get our physicals every year, if
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Speaker 1: we're going to do things to make sure our bodies
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Speaker 1: are well, we have to do the same things for
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Speaker 1: our minds. So there's a common misconception that will not
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Speaker 1: say mental health. It's conflated with mental illness or mental disorder,
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Speaker 1: and that is not the case. UM. Everybody has mental
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Speaker 1: health like they have physical health, and we've got to
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Speaker 1: do things to make sure that we check in and
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Speaker 1: therapy is a non judgmental, safe professional activity, very similar
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Speaker 1: to like being able to go and see a medical
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Speaker 1: provider where you're able to make sure that whether you
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Speaker 1: have a big problem or you have something that you're
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Speaker 1: grappling with, that we can do some preventative work to
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Speaker 1: make sure it doesn't get to a place where it's worse.
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Speaker 1: And we're in the middle of a mental health emergency
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Speaker 1: right now across the lifespan, especially with our young people
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Speaker 1: in particular, and so it's now more important than ever
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Speaker 1: that there's access to culturally responsive UM therapy and to
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Speaker 1: have people who look like me and look like you
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Speaker 1: to deliver those services. And that's exactly what we aim
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Speaker 1: to Money Making Conversations Master Class with Rushan McDonald. Depression. Um.
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Speaker 1: You know, like I said, just speaking to myself, you
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Speaker 1: know I I am a type a driven goal orang
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Speaker 1: in person. I am I. You know, if I get down,
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Speaker 1: I'm motivated to get up by setting goals. Now, that
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Speaker 1: doesn't work for everybody, and that's where the word depression
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Speaker 1: sets in because if you can explain to my audience
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Speaker 1: what exactly is depression? Is depression and what are the science?
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Speaker 1: So that a great question and I love that you
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Speaker 1: ask that and talking up personal experience because we all
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Speaker 1: have experienced a really difficult time of the past couple
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Speaker 1: of years, and we are seeing a lot of people
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Speaker 1: using words like depression and anxiety really regularly, which I love.
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Speaker 1: And at the same time, depression is not just feeling
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Speaker 1: down um a day or two, or maybe you're not
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Speaker 1: feeling great. Um. A depression diagnosis happens when if you
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Speaker 1: are having the worst day that you can have and
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Speaker 1: you have that uninterrupted for a minimum of two weeks
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Speaker 1: to a month. Right, So if you are experiencing sadness, hopelessness,
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Speaker 1: if you're feeling fatigued and extremely more tired, even if
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Speaker 1: you're getting a lot of sleep, or if you're not
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Speaker 1: getting enough sleep, um, if you're noticing that there's a
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Speaker 1: shift in wanting to do or not do the things
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Speaker 1: that you typically would want to do, there's a sheer shift.
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Speaker 1: So depression really is a place of not just thinking
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Speaker 1: about depress mood and feeling down and out, but there
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Speaker 1: are all these other indicators that you may not be
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Speaker 1: doing so well. So for us, it's less for people
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Speaker 1: to know what the diagnosis is and more of when
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Speaker 1: we take this from sport the fit test, where you
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Speaker 1: are looking at the frequency and I experiencing something more
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Speaker 1: common than I am my feeling like I don't want
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Speaker 1: to do things I've want to do I'm having a
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Speaker 1: difficult time concentrating. I'm sad. The intensity of it does
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Speaker 1: it feel really extreme and severe? And then the timing
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Speaker 1: of how long is this happening? So we want people
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Speaker 1: to be mindful, not just for themselves, the people that
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Speaker 1: care about the most. If they're starting to recognize there's
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Speaker 1: been a shift um for people, um for the in
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Speaker 1: in a negative way, and that it's happened for an
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Speaker 1: extended period of time. Wow, you know I when I say,
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Speaker 1: when you was talking, I heard the word motivation. If
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Speaker 1: you're not motivated to get out of bed, if you're
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Speaker 1: not motivated to talk to your friends, if you're not
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Speaker 1: motivated to go to work, if you're not motivated to
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Speaker 1: treat yourself good, you know that's a sign of depression.
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Speaker 1: When I heard you that, if your motivation just popped out,
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Speaker 1: that really is about motivation. If you've lost your will
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Speaker 1: to have to feel good, to express happiness, to give happiness,
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Speaker 1: then you have exhibiting signs of depression. And because that's
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Speaker 1: because that's drives me. I'm motivated to get up, I'm
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Speaker 1: motivated to come to work, I'm motivated to eat food,
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Speaker 1: I'm motivated to hang out with my friends. If I
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Speaker 1: lose those forms of motivation, then there's something wrong with
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Speaker 1: my life and I should seek therapy. Yeah, UM or
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Speaker 1: UM at least at that point being able to if
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Speaker 1: you don't have a therapist who know how to get one,
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Speaker 1: UM getting a either going to your your primary care provider, UM,
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Speaker 1: talking to someone who you think you can help. Because
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Speaker 1: sometimes people don't recognize it, which is why we have
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Speaker 1: to look at it as there's the internally external. So yes,
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Speaker 1: this is internally happening with us, but it's in response
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Speaker 1: to what's happening around us, things that are happening with
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Speaker 1: our families, with the environment, with our communities, with the
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Speaker 1: greater kind of environment we're looking at COVID and all
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Speaker 1: these shifts. There's a lot of grief. We have a
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Speaker 1: lot of collective trauma that's happening right now, and so
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Speaker 1: it makes sense that there would be that difficulty. I
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Speaker 1: will add this additional point to UM, to the point
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Speaker 1: of thinking about talking about black folks and brown folks,
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Speaker 1: this may look very different than what people are used
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Speaker 1: for seeing. So often sometimes when UM, if we're thinking
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Speaker 1: about saying like, oh, she's got an attitude or she's
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Speaker 1: always so irritated that could be a sign of depression,
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Speaker 1: or he or she is always so angry right, or
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Speaker 1: they get set off really easily. Those things oftener what
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Speaker 1: we see too as indicators with some of these other
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Speaker 1: aspects that folks on be depressed. So you can see
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Speaker 1: how sometimes it can be harder um for people to
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Speaker 1: recognize when people are having a really hard time. You
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Speaker 1: know the thing about it so far, what I wanted
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Speaker 1: to make sure that you know sports in everyday life
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Speaker 1: really intertwined because sports is competition and if you don't
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Speaker 1: really if you don't know this in life, you're competing.
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Speaker 1: You're competing for gas prices and how you get to work,
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Speaker 1: time on the freeway, uber food meals, and so people
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Speaker 1: didn't need to understand that. That's why are you talking
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Speaker 1: about She's sports now, I'm talking about everyday life. And
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Speaker 1: if you break it down to normal things, you've realized
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Speaker 1: that that some tragic things happening to our young generation.
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Speaker 1: And when I go to this area is called suicide attempts.
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Speaker 1: So let me just state some quick facts and I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna have Dr Mosley expound on this suicide attempts to
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Speaker 1: increase the monks adolescents age twelve to seventeen, especially young
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Speaker 1: girls during the COVID nineteen pandemic. According to CDC data,
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Speaker 1: suicide attempts among young girls served by more than during
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Speaker 1: the pandemic. That is a giant wild from me, please explain. Yes, UM,
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Speaker 1: we are in the middle of a really serious state
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Speaker 1: of can see around mental health UM, particularly in the
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Speaker 1: this population, and athletes and young women are a unique subset,
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Speaker 1: and I'll add boys in there too as well, because
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Speaker 1: we're seeing the numbers of death by suicide and suicide
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Speaker 1: attempts skyrocket UM. And this is across every single community.
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Speaker 1: And if things things were already kind of free to COVID,
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Speaker 1: we were starting to see those rates go up. But
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Speaker 1: where those were cracks, now we're seeing shatters because COVID
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Speaker 1: has has really impacted this UM. And so there's a
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Speaker 1: combination of of several risk factors here and ideally there
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Speaker 1: needs to be more research here. But the risk factors
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Speaker 1: being feelings of hopelessness and isolation, which makes sense from UM,
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Speaker 1: the online school and shutdowns, all of the grief and
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Speaker 1: loss around COVID. UM. If there's been a family history
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Speaker 1: of someone who's either died or attempted or close friends.
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Speaker 1: If we're seeing a kind of a larger amount of
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Speaker 1: UM people in the community, so a local epidemic of suicide,
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Speaker 1: which is what we're seeing UM, because we've seen these
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Speaker 1: kind of high profile UM that's by suicide here recently. UM.
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Speaker 1: Those things impacted as well as barriers to accessing culturally
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Speaker 1: responsive care, accessing people like me, UM or anyone who's
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Speaker 1: able to recognize what these warning signs of distress are.
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Speaker 1: I have to say, and we'll probably think this here
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Speaker 1: a little further, but social media also plays a huge
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Speaker 1: role in this because it only are you disconnected from
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Speaker 1: people and isolated, but you have a larger comparison group
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Speaker 1: that you are not able to manage what you're seeing
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Speaker 1: and what you're experiencing. And young women and young girls
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Speaker 1: in particular are more likely to be cipher bull lead UM.
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Speaker 1: And these kids don't have the awareness that this is
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Speaker 1: something temporary when things live on the internet forever. And
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Speaker 1: so we are seeing so many different factors where UM
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Speaker 1: and the same thing when you're looking at entertainers, which
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Speaker 1: I know you know UM, and professional athletes and elite
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Speaker 1: athletes now getting younger and younger, where people have access
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Speaker 1: to them through the Internet and are able to see them,
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Speaker 1: and so pressure breaks types and so they are the
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Speaker 1: canaries in the mind that something is happening right now
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Speaker 1: with our young people. Right Throughout her career, Dr Bowl
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Speaker 1: has served as a subject about, an expert and advice
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Speaker 1: of numerous nonprofit organizations, companies in the private sector, collegiate athletics,
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Speaker 1: professional sports leagues, and higher education, including world class organizations
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Speaker 1: like the Harvard Business School, uh the n c A, A A,
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Speaker 1: n b A, NFL, and the United States Air Force.
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Speaker 1: You have been considered a trusted advisor to a lot
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Speaker 1: of chief executives. How do you what what in your
17:45
Speaker 1: career when you did light bulb go off that your
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Speaker 1: brand was being accepted and when you picked up the
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Speaker 1: phone you're sending out the email, You've got the response
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Speaker 1: back that you wanted Dr Mostly, that's a great question.
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Speaker 1: I guess. In my career, uh so, I did what
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Speaker 1: some folks did. So I am by trading accounts and psychologists,
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Speaker 1: but for about fifteen years I was a higher higher
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Speaker 1: education executive. And what started happening to me is I
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Speaker 1: started getting pulled more and more and consulting with my
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Speaker 1: colleagues at my institutions and then also other places around
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Speaker 1: how do we UM empower our leaders and give them
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Speaker 1: tools and resources to foster a culture because you're you're
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Speaker 1: doing something that's working, UM, fostering a culture that's conduced
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Speaker 1: of the higher performing teams and can you help us?
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Speaker 1: And to be frank, those calls started coming more often
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Speaker 1: and often when I was in the full time gig
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Speaker 1: UM and then the last role that I had, I
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Speaker 1: was associated by chance to learning in the students and
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Speaker 1: the you SE system and you see Santa Cruz. And
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Speaker 1: the switch for me was when my job became my clients.
18:52
Speaker 1: So I started doing this work because my purpose and
18:56
Speaker 1: my my passions really aligned around making sure that people
19:00
Speaker 1: can do their absolute best UM and getting the absolute
19:03
Speaker 1: best out of people, giving people a safe place to land,
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Speaker 1: which means we have to empower leaders to be agile
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Speaker 1: so that people feel psychologically safe and UM that they
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Speaker 1: belonged to something UM so that our our teams can
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Speaker 1: innovate and thrive and ultimately win. That became the moment
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Speaker 1: for me when I started seeing that there were real
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Speaker 1: kind of outcome measures and impact to the work that
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Speaker 1: I was doing, so moving UM and starting my own
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Speaker 1: shop and getting some some brilliant folks around me to
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Speaker 1: help me do that became the path. We'll be right
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Speaker 1: there's always different paths to success. You know, you started,
19:52
Speaker 1: you know your spots jockey like we all, you know
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Speaker 1: Saints fan, you know paying suffering with those with those
19:58
Speaker 1: NFL referees, I'm sure the last few years, and then
20:01
Speaker 1: Drew Brees retires on your and and then he's hitting
20:04
Speaker 1: it might come back. That might send you into some
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Speaker 1: mental health zone out there for a lot of fans,
20:09
Speaker 1: But you know I would. I'm gonna share your example
20:11
Speaker 1: of our sports and I had to walk away from
20:14
Speaker 1: sports being a particular sports fan. And I'm from Houston,
20:19
Speaker 1: and uh and I would uh every Sunday I would
20:22
Speaker 1: watch the Oilers play, and when they would lose, I
20:25
Speaker 1: actually had a felt like I had a hole in
20:27
Speaker 1: my chest. I would just I was just not happy.
20:30
Speaker 1: I was just and I shut I realized that that
20:32
Speaker 1: was carrying into my everyday life. That depression. I gotta
20:36
Speaker 1: use the word depression because I think that's what it was.
20:39
Speaker 1: And then when I said, and then I when I
20:40
Speaker 1: made the conscious decision that I was just going to
20:42
Speaker 1: be a fan of sports. I was not going to
20:46
Speaker 1: be passion driven by a certain team and deal with
20:50
Speaker 1: their ups and downs and all that. And I've been
20:52
Speaker 1: able to handle my relationship with sports a lot better
20:56
Speaker 1: because I think I still can say I'm a fan
20:58
Speaker 1: of a Houston team, but I'm not so engrossed that
21:02
Speaker 1: that's my team. That's my team I live and die,
21:04
Speaker 1: and that's my team for now. They're part of the
21:07
Speaker 1: sports which I follow. I track, I tracked, the ashows,
21:10
Speaker 1: I tracked, you know, they're the rockets. And that that
21:13
Speaker 1: has worked out better for me. Is it because I
21:16
Speaker 1: changed my technique that's helping me out? Or am I
21:19
Speaker 1: doing something wrong? Well? What I love is that you
21:23
Speaker 1: were able to identify that something was impacting you in
21:27
Speaker 1: a way that didn't feel good and wasn't actually let's
21:30
Speaker 1: say performance enhancing, right, Like, you were not able to
21:33
Speaker 1: feel good and do your best, and so you shifted
21:36
Speaker 1: your technique and your routine and you're the way that
21:39
Speaker 1: you connected and so frankly, in our business, it sounds
21:43
Speaker 1: like you developed some healthier boundaries with something that you
21:46
Speaker 1: really enjoyed and you were really connected with. And so
21:50
Speaker 1: that approach actually is really excellent, and it's what we
21:53
Speaker 1: really aim to do when working with the teams and
21:56
Speaker 1: organizations and individuals. How do we think about healthy boundaries?
22:00
Speaker 1: And boundaries are things that people think are rigid? Um?
22:03
Speaker 1: And I reframed that because boundaries simply just give us
22:07
Speaker 1: a rope matter how to connect with each other. So
22:10
Speaker 1: what's okay and comfortable and safe for me? What's okay
22:13
Speaker 1: and comfortable, um and safe and and kind of enhance
22:17
Speaker 1: us performance for you in both ways, and we take
22:20
Speaker 1: it from there so we can change our relationship and
22:23
Speaker 1: connection to something with healthy boundaries instead of either being
22:27
Speaker 1: all in or all nothing. Right. Well, you know, I
22:31
Speaker 1: had to share that because, like I said, I clearly
22:34
Speaker 1: remember those sundays. I clearly remember the depression I used
22:40
Speaker 1: to correct worry. It was depressed because I was depressed.
22:42
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, you know, because you've heard
22:45
Speaker 1: stories people throwing things at their TV, people knocking people listen,
22:49
Speaker 1: we were called the eights were people went to the
22:52
Speaker 1: game with the bag your So, so what we're leading
22:57
Speaker 1: it to July, which is the National Minority Health to
22:59
Speaker 1: Wear in this month. Let's talk about that and make
23:02
Speaker 1: sure why that's important to be on my show talking
23:04
Speaker 1: about July being National Minority Health and Awareness because we
23:07
Speaker 1: spoke about the people that black and brown community, to
23:10
Speaker 1: be in the last to talk about the therapy, the
23:13
Speaker 1: last to talk about mental health, talk about the trauma,
23:16
Speaker 1: seeking our resources. Let's talk about that July and its
23:19
Speaker 1: significance in our community. Yes, well, I think this year
23:23
Speaker 1: in particular, especially even UM more some of the last
23:27
Speaker 1: UM few years. This becomes even more important because with
23:30
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen exacerbating the mental health crisis that has disproportionately
23:35
Speaker 1: impacted marginalized communities and and Generation Z, it's really critical
23:39
Speaker 1: for us to look at the best ways to help
23:42
Speaker 1: people take care of themselves. There has been I can't
23:46
Speaker 1: underscore this enough, the collective brief and trauma we've experienced,
23:49
Speaker 1: not only from things that we've lost and people that
23:52
Speaker 1: we've lost that we will never get back, but we
23:54
Speaker 1: are forever changed by this experience, and for some of
23:57
Speaker 1: us not in a way that is health be and
24:00
Speaker 1: will impact their health for a very long time. So
24:03
Speaker 1: having the focus on what this experience and and phenomenon
24:08
Speaker 1: and what UM some kind of mental health UM indicators
24:13
Speaker 1: that things are not going as great or that things
24:15
Speaker 1: are going really well. Couching that in what that looks
24:20
Speaker 1: like for our communities, for black and brown communities especially
24:23
Speaker 1: important because we're not often focused on that, and so
24:28
Speaker 1: being able to highlight UM mental health providers that would
24:32
Speaker 1: be excellent forth community. How do you recognize when your
24:35
Speaker 1: your family member or loved one or your children are
24:38
Speaker 1: having a hard time? What do you do about that?
24:40
Speaker 1: And so we are at the intersection of all of
24:43
Speaker 1: these things. I always like to say, we like to
24:45
Speaker 1: identify these strategies and tools UM that are important UM
24:51
Speaker 1: but also culturally responsive that you means of respect, it
24:54
Speaker 1: really reflects your experience. And then I have a team
24:57
Speaker 1: called bubulepend of Experts UM where we are a diverse
25:00
Speaker 1: team of mental health and medical providers who are accessible
25:05
Speaker 1: and provide these services. And so it's access to people
25:08
Speaker 1: who look like you and UM kind of treatment recommendations
25:12
Speaker 1: and support that really speak to your experience. Well, I'm
25:14
Speaker 1: speaking to Dr T. M Robinson Mosley effectually lowers mostly
25:19
Speaker 1: or call it Dr Moseley, UM, my whole thing is
25:23
Speaker 1: that she developed the Sports Mental Health and Wellness Playbook.
25:27
Speaker 1: I just want you to remove the word sports out.
25:29
Speaker 1: She has developed the mental Health and Wellness Playbook. It's
25:33
Speaker 1: a it's a it's a it's a cutting edge, turnkey
25:35
Speaker 1: solution to all of the challenging issues in life, not
25:38
Speaker 1: just sports. And I brought on my show that let
25:41
Speaker 1: you understand that mental health issues that you see on
25:44
Speaker 1: TV because these high profile athletes are publicizing and making
25:47
Speaker 1: admissions that something's not writing their life and they want
25:50
Speaker 1: to sit down, they want to walk away from the game.
25:53
Speaker 1: This game may not be the sport I envisioned to
25:55
Speaker 1: be my career. It's a good thing. And I want
25:58
Speaker 1: to thank you mostly for coming on my show and
26:01
Speaker 1: sharing some of your time and and definitely want to
26:03
Speaker 1: bring you back, like I said, and and and just
26:06
Speaker 1: really really get it to the corporate side and also
26:08
Speaker 1: the students side and the academic side. We touched on it,
26:12
Speaker 1: but next said, I wanted to bring on the show
26:14
Speaker 1: to really to talk about what you needed to talk
26:16
Speaker 1: about your recognized brand as a sports mental health expert,
26:19
Speaker 1: and also the month of July. But this is a
26:22
Speaker 1: bigger picture. You're playing out there and we need to
26:24
Speaker 1: definitely continue this conversation and their ongoing relationship. Yeah, I agree,
26:30
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what. We use sports as a
26:32
Speaker 1: conduit as a framework because at our best, sport can
26:35
Speaker 1: teach us really valuable things about belonging, getting the best
26:40
Speaker 1: out of people, overcoming adversity, being resilient and agile. And
26:44
Speaker 1: so we work with UM, higher education, the technology, with
26:50
Speaker 1: nonprofits UM, even with the military and the government with
26:54
Speaker 1: special ops in the Air Force around how do we
26:56
Speaker 1: do that in a way that feels um empathic leader
27:00
Speaker 1: and an environment that's confused to get in the best
27:02
Speaker 1: out of people. So I would love to talk more
27:04
Speaker 1: with you about how we take that framework and we
27:07
Speaker 1: use it across these high intensity, high impacted which as good.
27:11
Speaker 1: You allowed me to share some personal stories, and I
27:13
Speaker 1: think by being honest about my stories hopefully will and
27:17
Speaker 1: they will people to be honest about their lives. But
27:20
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on Money Making Conversation master Class,
27:23
Speaker 1: Dr Moses. You're amazing. I appreciate that I would see
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Speaker 1: you in the future. Okay, great, thank you so much.
27:28
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