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ABC News & Kamala Debate Trump · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 2: initial reaction, we're doing this right now midnight Eastern. You
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Speaker 2: watch the debate. I watched the debate. What were your
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Speaker 2: big takeaways? Well, tonight was a big and consequential debate.
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Speaker 2: in depth and say what it showed about about where
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Speaker 2: the race is, where President Trump is, where Kamala Harris is.
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Speaker 2: for Kamala Harris. It was really a rollout in a
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Speaker 2: sense where she could be challenged. What we quickly saw though,
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Speaker 2: was a three on one debate against Donald Trump and
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Speaker 2: ABC News. What an end kind donation they gave.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the ABC moderators did not do a good job
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Speaker 4: that They clearly were biased towards Kamala Harris. We saw
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Speaker 4: that from their live quote fact checking, where repeatedly they'd
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Speaker 4: follow up what Trump said by contradicting him, by disputing him.
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Speaker 4: Many instances their fact checks were wrong and they never
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Speaker 4: never could be bothered a fact check a word that
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Speaker 4: came out of Kamala Harris's mouth. It was very one
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Speaker 4: sided on that front. But look, ABC News was the
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Speaker 4: least consequential part of tonight. What tonight illustrated is that
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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris is utterly incapable of defending her own record.
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Speaker 4: And what we saw tonight this was her stump speech,
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Speaker 4: and this was her DNC convention speech cut into sound
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Speaker 4: bites and repeated. She memorized a series of vignettes, a
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Speaker 4: series of little segments, and just repeated those talking points
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Speaker 4: at nauseum. And it really became clear with the very
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Speaker 4: first question of the night, and the first question of
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Speaker 4: the night that David Muir asked her, is the question
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Speaker 4: that you and I and Monday's podcast said is the
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Speaker 4: single most important question of the debate and really of
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Speaker 4: every election, which is are you better off than you
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Speaker 4: were four years ago? And to Mere's credit, he started
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Speaker 4: with that question, are people off today than they were
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Speaker 4: four years ago?
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Speaker 3: Under Trump? Now?
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Speaker 4: Interestingly enough, Kamala refused to answer it at all. She
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Speaker 4: didn't say yes, she didn't say people's lives are better,
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Speaker 4: she said nothing at all. Instead, she had a little
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Speaker 4: memorized set piece about how I was raised in a
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Speaker 4: middle class family. I was raised with a mom who
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Speaker 4: loved me and struggled, and we just talked about her
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Speaker 4: bio and gave just just empty platitudes that continued for
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Speaker 4: the entire night. And so look, we saw this evening
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Speaker 4: why it is that Kamala's campaign team keeps her hidden
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Speaker 4: in Joe Biden's basement, Why they just bring her out?
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Speaker 4: Have a read from a teleprompter, and then they tackle
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Speaker 4: her and throw back in the basement, because all right,
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Speaker 4: let's take the very simple question. She didn't say, yes,
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Speaker 4: you're better off than you were four years ago. Why, well,
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Speaker 4: you really can't, Like it's impossible to defend on every front. Inflation.
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Speaker 4: All let's just take inflation in the economy. Her policies
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Speaker 4: and Joe Biden's policies have been disastrous America. The working
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Speaker 4: people of America have seen the price of just about
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Speaker 4: everything go up, from food to electricity, to rent, to lumber,
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Speaker 4: to healthcare, to gasoline, to mortgages, everything go up. And critically,
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Speaker 4: this is where her record matters. Kamala Harris was the
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Speaker 4: tie breaking vote multiple times on the floor of the
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Speaker 4: Senate on trillions of dollars of the out of control
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Speaker 4: spending from this administration that has caused this inflation. She
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Speaker 4: was literally, without her vote, the trillions of dollars that
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Speaker 4: we borrowed in the trillions of dollars that Joe Biden
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Speaker 4: and Kamala Harris ran the printing presses on that drove
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Speaker 4: this inflation. That doesn't happen, And she can't defend that.
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Speaker 4: She doesn't have a good answer when it comes to
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Speaker 4: energy and gas prices, people are hurting because of gas
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Speaker 4: price as well. It is her policies, in Joe Biden's policies,
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Speaker 4: that has waged war systematically on oil and gas production
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Speaker 4: and American energy, and she can't defend that either, and
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Speaker 4: so instead she simply says, well, we're going to lower
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Speaker 4: energy prices, We're going to lower gas prices, and with
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Speaker 4: no acknowledgment that Wait a second, she is, in fact
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Speaker 4: the sitting vice president and who knows where the heck
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Speaker 4: the actual president is besides passed out asleep on a beach.
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Speaker 2: When you see, I think the strategy and now it
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Speaker 2: actually I think makes more sense, right, like just hide
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Speaker 2: her buy ads, get the media to cover for you
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Speaker 2: and protect you at all costs, and maybe that is
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Speaker 2: a winning strategy, which comes to the obviously the next
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Speaker 2: big question, should there be another debate?
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Speaker 1: Do you believe there will be?
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Speaker 2: In the other debate, they were obviously in the Harris
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Speaker 2: camp implying that there was a big victory tonight, saying
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Speaker 2: that was fun, let's do it again, and threw out
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Speaker 2: another date, signaling from her campaign they want to tee
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Speaker 2: it up again and go toe to toe with Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump again. Is that the right move for her?
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Speaker 4: Well, listen, I think Trump should absolutely accept that offer
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Speaker 4: for another debate. They should jump on it and say
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Speaker 4: let's go. I think the debate is a valuable opportunity
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Speaker 4: to calmly litigate her actual record. And let me say
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Speaker 4: this though, even if Trump does follow that advice and
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Speaker 4: does accept the debate, I think there's very little chance
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Speaker 4: it happens. I think Kamala's team will back out on it.
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Speaker 4: I think they're mostly just puffing out their chest and
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Speaker 4: boasting right now with the offer of another debate, I
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Speaker 4: think there is no world in which they let her
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Speaker 4: do a second debate.
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Speaker 3: I think it's back to the basement.
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Speaker 4: And if I were to predict, we're not going to
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Speaker 4: see Kamala emerge from the basement until election day. It's
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Speaker 4: like the groundhog until she sees her shadow on election day.
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Speaker 4: She doesn't get to come out of the basement other
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Speaker 4: than to show up at a rally here and there
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Speaker 4: and read from the teleprompter the same speech. But they
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Speaker 4: want to keep her absolutely controlled and repeating. And listen,
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Speaker 4: I will say the Democrat Party has very good message masters.
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Speaker 4: They have very good This is the party of Hollywood.
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Speaker 4: This is the party of storytellers. Her memory I set pieces.
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Speaker 4: Some of them are pretty effective. They're disconnected from reality.
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Speaker 4: They don't acknowledge any facts on earth. But if you
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Speaker 4: just listen to them, they are calmly reassuring.
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Speaker 3: They sound nice. And it's why.
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Speaker 4: Look, this is the same reaction I had with her
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Speaker 4: convention speech. It's dangerous as hell, because if you're not
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Speaker 4: paying close attention, what she says sounds nice unless she
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Speaker 4: is forced to confront her actual own record. And in
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Speaker 4: the entire debate, the ABC moderators never once pointed out
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Speaker 4: that her record is exactly the opposite of what she
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Speaker 4: said on the debate stage, over and over again.
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Speaker 2: So when I watched the debate, the question I always
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Speaker 2: ask myself is Okay, if I was going in a
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Speaker 2: night voting for Donald Trump, was I convinced by Kamala
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Speaker 2: Harris that I should switch my vote? The answer honestly
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Speaker 2: is no. And if I'm a Kamala Harris voter and
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Speaker 2: was going into the night watching Kamala Harris saying I'm
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Speaker 2: going to vote for her, going to switch my vote
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Speaker 2: to Donald Trump tonight, honestly, probably not. Does that mean
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Speaker 2: that this is a draw in essence, where hey, Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump's team they walk out of this going Okay, maybe
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Speaker 2: we could have done a little better on this that
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Speaker 2: or the other. Maybe we'll work on that for the
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Speaker 2: next subby, but we didn't do any harm and we
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Speaker 2: got out. Are some good points. Kamma's team probably says, hey,
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Speaker 2: we had it, we survived the night we had you
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Speaker 2: in hiding in the basement. Is this one of those
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Speaker 2: debates that we both said was one of the most
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Speaker 2: important ever?
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Speaker 1: But could in theory be a draw?
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Speaker 2: Because really, you're if the if the barometer is I'm
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Speaker 2: trying to change hearts and minds.
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Speaker 1: Did anyone's mind change tonight?
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Speaker 4: Well, Kamala's team and all of our cheerleaders in the
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Speaker 4: corporate media are going to relentlessly hype that she won,
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Speaker 4: that she won, that she won. And by the way,
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Speaker 4: they were going to say that whatever happened, she could
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Speaker 4: literally fall to the ground and start screaming and wailing
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Speaker 4: and kicking her feet in the air and they would
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Speaker 4: say she won, So that that was going to be
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Speaker 4: the narrative. Regardless, I will say, what we learned is
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Speaker 4: she doesn't have a good answer to her own record.
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Speaker 4: The Trump campaign needs to continue to prosecute the case.
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Speaker 4: So let's take, for example, there was a hole back
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Speaker 4: and forth on abortion, and Trump said accurately that she
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Speaker 4: supports late term abortions into the eighth and ninth months
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Speaker 4: of pregnancy, and she just said, over and over again, no,
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Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't that's false, that's false, and
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Speaker 4: the moderators sat there like potted plants. Well, it so
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Speaker 4: happens that Kamala actually has a record, and in particular,
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Speaker 4: she has voted for legislation on the floor of the
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Speaker 4: Senate to strike down every single restriction on abortion in
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Speaker 4: the country and to legalize abortion in the eighth and
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Speaker 4: ninth months up to the moment of birth. That is
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Speaker 4: her actual voting record, what she has voted for. There
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Speaker 4: was another exchange where Trump points out that the governor
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Speaker 4: of Virginia, the former governor of Virginia, Ralph Northam, had
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Speaker 4: advocated for post birth abortion, and she out lied and said, no, no,
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Speaker 4: he didn't know.
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Speaker 2: He didn't play that because we have that clip. And
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Speaker 2: this is why I love doing the show, is we
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Speaker 2: get to play it. This is Northam on the radio
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Speaker 2: on WTP saying what she said and the media said
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Speaker 2: never happened.
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Speaker 5: If a mother is in labor, I can tell you
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Speaker 5: exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered, the
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Speaker 5: infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated
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Speaker 5: if that's what the mother and the family desired, and
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Speaker 5: then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mothers.
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Speaker 1: I mean, where's the fact check for ABC News on that? Senator?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and understand Ralph Northam, he was a Democrat governor
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Speaker 4: of Virginia. He was also someone whose medical school yearbook
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Speaker 4: featured a picture of a klansman. That's another part of
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Speaker 4: Ralph Northm's background. But he was also an o BG
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Speaker 4: y N. So he was actually talking about as a
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Speaker 4: doctor who presumably has done that. He was describing the approach,
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Speaker 4: and that is delivering a baby. The baby is alive,
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Speaker 4: is breathing, is outside the mother's womb, and he's talking
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Speaker 4: about just letting the baby die. And again, this is
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Speaker 4: where records matter. Kamala has a record on this. So
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Speaker 4: when she says that's ridiculous, that's no, no, no, no, no,
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Speaker 4: that's not true. Well, Kamala Harris voted against the born
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Speaker 4: alive Infant Protection Act, and that was a bill that
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Speaker 4: we voted on the floor of the Senate that said
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Speaker 4: if during the course of an attempted abortion, the child
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Speaker 4: is delivered, the child is born, and this happens, and
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Speaker 4: the child is alive and breathing and outside the womb,
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Speaker 4: that the doctor cannot just let the baby die. And
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Speaker 4: she voted no. Now, as you noted, ABC did in
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Speaker 4: fact check her on that, her voting record is very
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Speaker 4: clear and this was a pattern over and over and
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Speaker 4: over again on energy. So her big train now on
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Speaker 4: energy as she's run away from her long held position
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Speaker 4: opposing fracking. Okay, fine, so she's like, yeah, I just
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Speaker 4: flip flopped on that. What ABC didn't point out is, well,
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Speaker 4: wait a second, your repeated statements about banning fracking. That's
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Speaker 4: not the only thing you've done on energy. First week
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Speaker 4: in office, you and Joe Biden shut down the Keystone Pipeline.
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Speaker 4: Joe Biden when he was campaigning for president, promised to
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Speaker 4: shut down drilling on shore, on federal lands and offshore.
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Speaker 4: You put in over ninety different regulations and executive orders
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Speaker 4: attacking oil and gas production in the United States. That
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Speaker 4: has had a very direct effect driving up cost. Your
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Speaker 4: administration banned new permits exporting liquid natural gas, like her
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Speaker 4: record on energy is terrible, and she has no answer
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Speaker 4: to that. And by the way, Trump did a good
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Speaker 4: job on this point of saying, listen, you banned the
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Speaker 4: Keystone pipeline and gave a giant gift of Vladimir Putin
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Speaker 4: by allowing him to complete the nord Stream two pipeline,
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Speaker 4: which caused the war in Ukraine. And that's something you
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Speaker 4: and I have talked about in this podcast a lot.
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Speaker 4: It was my legislation in the Senate that sanctioned Nordstream
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Speaker 4: two and shut it down. Trump signed my legislation and
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Speaker 4: Putin literally stopped building the nord Stream two pipeline the
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Speaker 4: day that Trump signed my sanctions legislation. In the law,
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Speaker 4: Nordstream two was a dead hunk of metal at the
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Speaker 4: bottom of the ocean until Joe Biden and Kamala Harris
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Speaker 4: came into office and they demonstrated weakness and and they
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Speaker 4: waived the sanctions on nord Stream two, and it was
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Speaker 4: a multi billion dollar gift to Russia, and it caused
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Speaker 4: the war in Ukraine. None of that does she have
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Speaker 4: an answer for.
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Speaker 2: We just got in the official number. ABC News fact
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Speaker 2: check Donald Trump seven times, not one time the debate.
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Speaker 2: Did they fact check Kamala Harris not once? So that's
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Speaker 2: the official tally now is seven times on Trump. That's
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Speaker 2: three on one, and I do think that's gonna have
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Speaker 2: a turn off. I would hope to some of those voters,
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Speaker 2: maybe in the middle, the undecideds, which very much can
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Speaker 2: be the deciding factor in this election. Will that play
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Speaker 2: with undecideds? Do you think did they see the bias
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Speaker 2: that you and I saw?
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Speaker 4: They saw that some, but I think they also go
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Speaker 4: in expecting the media to be biased. So I don't
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Speaker 4: think anyone is surprised that ABC is a left wing
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Speaker 4: mouthpiece for the Democrats. That's been the case, sadly for
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Speaker 4: a long time. For ABCNBCCBSC and AN, MSNBC, all of
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Speaker 4: them have been mouthpieces for the Democrats. So yes, they
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Speaker 4: saw it, but again they're not surprised. Look, the critical
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Speaker 4: thing that we saw tonight is is she doesn't have
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Speaker 4: a good answer on the chaos at our southern border.
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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris was the borders are. She is directly responsible
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Speaker 4: for the worst level of eli immigration in our nation's history.
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Speaker 4: She is directly responsible for the people who have died.
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Speaker 4: Eight hundred and fifty three migrants died last year crossing
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Speaker 4: illegalian in this country. She is responsible for the people,
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Speaker 4: the women who have been brutally raped. She's responsible for
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Speaker 4: the children who have been brutalized. She's responsible for the
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Speaker 4: little boys and little girls who've been horribly assaulted by
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Speaker 4: human traffickers. She's responsible for the one hundred and ten
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Speaker 4: thousand Americans who died last year of drug overdoses. She
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Speaker 4: is responsible for the murderers that she and Joe Biden
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Speaker 4: had in their custody. Murderers like the illegal alien murder
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Speaker 4: of Lake and Riley that she and Joe Biden had
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Speaker 4: in custody, and they released murderers like the illegal alien
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Speaker 4: murderer of Rachel Morin. That illegal alien was in her custody,
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Speaker 4: she released them. Murderers like the illegal alien murderers of
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Speaker 4: Joscelyn Hungary. Both of them were in her custody and
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Speaker 4: she and Joe Biden released them. And so that record,
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Speaker 4: she was not forced tonight to answer for any of
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Speaker 4: that record and that but but it demonstrated that she
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Speaker 4: does not have a good response. And and that's what
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Speaker 4: I think the next two months, the Trump campaign has
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Speaker 4: to prosecute systematically based on the facts. Here is her record,
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Speaker 4: Here is what she has done, and it hasn't worked.
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Speaker 4: It has failed, and the American people are worse off
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Speaker 4: as a result of the failures of her extreme policies.
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Speaker 2: You mentioned Donald Trump's got to bring up some more
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Speaker 2: of this stuff, and I think you and I have
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Speaker 2: talked about this, but let's just remind people since Kamayers
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Speaker 2: took off as total prices are up over twenty percent,
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Speaker 2: car insurance up fifty four percent, hotels are up say
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Speaker 2: when you were in a hotel fifty one point two percent,
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Speaker 2: Gases up fifty point fifty percent, fuel oil is up
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Speaker 2: forty nine point one, transportation up thirty two point nine.
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Speaker 2: Electricity is up thirty one point seven percent. Baby food's
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Speaker 2: up over thirty percent, eating out of up twenty five percent,
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Speaker 2: airfare up twenty three percent, rent up twenty two percent,
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Speaker 2: and groceries are up about twenty two percent as well.
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Speaker 2: That's what they've got to focus on, every single one
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Speaker 2: of his surrogate's not all this other and the weed stuff.
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Speaker 2: I really do believe they've got to keep it simple
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Speaker 2: for the American voter, especially if you're trying to go
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Speaker 2: after undecided.
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Speaker 4: Sure, and that's what we talked about in Monday's pod,
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Speaker 4: that the focus needs to be on.
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Speaker 3: Harms, harms, harms.
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Speaker 4: How are people's lives worth aught worse off because of
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Speaker 4: the horrible policies that Kamala Harris is directly responsible for.
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Speaker 4: And that's true on inflation, she was literally the tie
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Speaker 4: breaking vote behind the trillions of spending that unleash this inflation.
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Speaker 4: It's true on energy, she and Joe Biden, and it
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Speaker 4: has been their executive orders and their regulations that have
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Speaker 4: driven up energy prices.
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Speaker 3: And it's true on the border.
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Speaker 4: And and let me play there that there was one
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Speaker 4: of the best exchanges with something Trump said on the
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Speaker 4: border where he made the point that that that that listened,
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Speaker 4: she could secure the border today, and and and and
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Speaker 4: and listen listen to this what he said to her.
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Speaker 6: Right now, I would say we would both leave this
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Speaker 6: debate right now. I'd like to see her go down
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Speaker 6: to Washington, D C. During this debate, because we're wasting
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Speaker 6: a lot of time.
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Speaker 1: Go down to.
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Speaker 6: Because she's been so bad, it's so ridiculous.
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Speaker 1: Go down to Washington, D C.
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Speaker 6: And let her sign a bill to close up the border,
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Speaker 6: because they have the right to do it.
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Speaker 1: They don't need bills.
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Speaker 6: They have the right to do the President of the
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Speaker 6: United States, you'll get them out of bed.
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Speaker 3: You'll wake them up at four o'clock in the afternoon.
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Speaker 6: You'll say, come on, come on down to the office,
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Speaker 6: let's sign a bill.
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Speaker 1: It was a great moment in the debate.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, that point is very powerful. And understand, this
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Speaker 4: invasion at our southern border, it is happening right now today.
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Speaker 4: There are hundreds, if not thousands of illegal immigrants crossing
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Speaker 4: the border right now today today Joe Biden and Kamala
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Speaker 4: Harris are apprehending hundreds, if not thousands of illegal aliens
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Speaker 4: and they're going to release them tomorrow. There are criminals
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Speaker 4: they're going to release tomorrow. There are murderers they're going
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Speaker 4: to release going forward. There are rapists, there are child molestors,
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Speaker 4: and they keep on doing it. And the point Trump
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Speaker 4: is making, and listen, his campaign needs to follow this
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Speaker 4: up by explaining, by really explaining. Look, when Joe Biden
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Speaker 4: and Kamala Harris came into office, they inherited the lowest
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Speaker 4: rate of illegal immigration in forty five years Donald Trump.
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Speaker 4: I worked hand in hand with President Trump to secure
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Speaker 4: the border, and we had incredible success. When Trump was president,
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Speaker 4: the border was secure, and it was unilateral executive actions
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Speaker 4: that caused this crisis. Three to decisions that Biden Harris
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Speaker 4: did in the very first week. Number one, they immediately
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Speaker 4: halted construction of the border wall. Number two, they reinstated
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Speaker 4: the disastrous policy of catch and release, and number three
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Speaker 4: they pulled out of the incredibly successful Remain in Mexico agreement.
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Speaker 4: All three of those they could reverse tomorrow. And so
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Speaker 4: the point like literally go down to the White House
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Speaker 4: right now and do it. That is absolutely right. It
23:26
Speaker 4: is also right that if and I pray when Trump
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Speaker 4: is reelected that he will reverse all three of those
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Speaker 4: decisions on January twentieth of next year, and we will
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Speaker 4: see the border crisis end, and it will end quickly.
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Speaker 3: And so that point was very effective.
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Speaker 4: Let me say also, ben I thought the foreign policy
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Speaker 4: portion of the debate was particularly strong for Trump, and
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Speaker 4: it was very weak for Kamala Harris. At one point,
23:53
Speaker 4: she looks over at Trump and says, well, you know,
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Speaker 4: everyone knows that he was weak and ineffective on foreign policy.
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Speaker 4: And I got to say to me that that was
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Speaker 4: a laugh line. And listen, if you look across the globe,
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Speaker 4: we had peace and prosperity when Trump was president. We
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Speaker 4: had no foreign wars, and in fact, we saw peace
24:14
Speaker 4: breaking out in the Middle East. We saw the Abraham
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Speaker 4: Accords being signed, we saw Arabs and Israelis coming together.
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Speaker 4: And I think it is absolutely the case that if
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Speaker 4: Trump were still in the White House today, the war
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Speaker 4: in Ukraine would not have happened.
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Speaker 3: In the war in Israel would not have happened.
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Speaker 4: That it was Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's weakness that
24:34
Speaker 4: caused those wars. And critically, and Trump did a good
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Speaker 4: job of this too, laying out that Listen, Kamala Harris
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Speaker 4: has flowed over one hundred billion dollars to Iran. Iran
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Speaker 4: provides ninety percent of the funding for Hamas, ninety percent
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Speaker 4: of the funding for Hesbela. Kamala Harris in a very
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Speaker 4: real sense paid for the death squads that carried out
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Speaker 4: the atrocities on October seventh. And Kamala has no answer
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Speaker 4: to that. And tonight showed that powerfully.
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Speaker 2: You know, I also think and you go to the
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Speaker 2: end of the debate that one of the best parts
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Speaker 2: was actually Donald Trump in his closing argument, and it
25:15
Speaker 2: goes back to the campaign strategy I think he needs
25:17
Speaker 2: to have moving forward, and that is to make sure
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Speaker 2: he makes this about what she has done in comparison
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Speaker 2: to what she claims she wants to do while she's
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Speaker 2: in charge.
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Speaker 1: Like you're in charge, you're in charge, You're in charge?
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Speaker 1: Is it in Trump?
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Speaker 6: So she just started by saying she's going to do this,
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Speaker 6: She's going to do that, She's going to do all
25:41
Speaker 6: these wonderful things. Why hasn't she done it? She's been
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Speaker 6: there for three and a half years. They've had three
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Speaker 6: and a half years to fix the border, They've had
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Speaker 6: three and a half years to create jobs and all
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Speaker 6: the things we talked about.
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Speaker 1: Why hasn't she done it?
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Speaker 6: She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful
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Speaker 6: White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together, and
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Speaker 6: do the things you want to do. But you haven't
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Speaker 6: done it, and you won't do it because you believe
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Speaker 6: in things that the American people don't believe in.
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Speaker 2: It's a great line and I wish it would have
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Speaker 2: been used even more.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the closing was Trump's best best part
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Speaker 4: of the entire debate, and that that was exactly the
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Speaker 4: right message. It's a message that the Trump campaign should
26:25
Speaker 4: amplify every day between now an election day. Listen, you
26:28
Speaker 4: and I have talked about how kamalas trying to engage
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Speaker 4: in this divorced from reality campaign where she pretends she's
26:35
Speaker 4: not in office, that she's not the incumbent, she disavows
26:39
Speaker 4: all responsibility for the mess that is happening, and in fact,
26:43
Speaker 4: she's behaving as if Donald Trump is the incumbent president
26:47
Speaker 4: and she's the change candidate. She is in office right now.
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Speaker 4: Joe Biden is in office right now, and on every
26:55
Speaker 4: single level, on inflation, on crime, on the legal immigration,
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Speaker 4: on foreign policy, on safety and security, the world was
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Speaker 4: much much better when Trump was president than it is today,
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Speaker 4: and that that needs to be emphasized every day between
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Speaker 4: now an election day.
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Speaker 2: Cent Her final question, I think for you and really
27:17
Speaker 2: for me, when I was watching this tonight and it say, okay,
27:21
Speaker 2: where do we go from here?
27:22
Speaker 1: I'm in favor of another debate.
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Speaker 2: I think you you covered that earlier, right, You agree
27:27
Speaker 2: Trump should do another one number one.
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Speaker 3: Yes, but I don't think she will.
27:31
Speaker 1: I think you will so your prediction is she's done yep.
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Speaker 1: Number two.
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Speaker 2: If you're Donald Trump, what do you learn for tonight
27:41
Speaker 2: and what do you take into your big campaign rallies
27:43
Speaker 2: from this, and what is your messaging to your surrogates
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Speaker 2: tomorrow on the surrogate call.
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Speaker 3: I think the message is she cannot defend.
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Speaker 4: Her record, and her record is a failure. The American
27:54
Speaker 4: people are worse off. But but listen, I think it's
27:57
Speaker 4: important to remember also, this is not about Donald Trump,
28:01
Speaker 4: and it's not about Kamala Harris. It is about the
28:04
Speaker 4: American people it is about It is about young, young
28:08
Speaker 4: couples who are going out and buying their first home
28:11
Speaker 4: and they're discovering that a seven and a half percent
28:13
Speaker 4: mortgage rate is much much worse than a two and
28:16
Speaker 4: a half percent mortgage rate that you get about half
28:18
Speaker 4: the house. That's happening right now today, people are hurting.
28:21
Speaker 4: It's about a single mom who's trying to make ends meet,
28:25
Speaker 4: and she can't afford to buy groceries anymore because the
28:28
Speaker 4: prices have gone so high, and when she tries to
28:30
Speaker 4: fill up her tank to go to work, it just
28:32
Speaker 4: about breaks her. It's about the people who are suffering.
28:38
Speaker 4: Look today. On September tenth, there was a ceremony in
28:44
Speaker 4: the Capitol where the Congressional Gold Medal was awarded to
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Speaker 4: the thirteen servicemen and women who were murdered in Afghanistan
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Speaker 4: from the absolutely disastrous and incompetent withdrawal from Abbigate. Of
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Speaker 4: the families were there, and it was a beautiful ceremony,
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Speaker 4: and the families. I spoke to many of the families.
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Speaker 4: I thanked every one of them that I could to
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Speaker 4: say thank you for your service and sacrifice.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry. But I also to many of them.
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Speaker 4: Had a follow up conversation where I said, there needs
29:19
Speaker 4: to be accountability. There has been zero accountability. That the
29:25
Speaker 4: focus for the campaign every day from now to election
29:30
Speaker 4: day needs to be the difference between Trump's record and
29:34
Speaker 4: Kamala's record and critically bringing it home to the voters
29:38
Speaker 4: how their lives were much better when Trump was president
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Speaker 4: than they have been under Kamala, and that her policies
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Speaker 4: are failures and they're hurting the American people. That's got
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Speaker 4: to be the central message.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, as you mentioned a second ago, on this anniversary
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Speaker 2: of nine to eleven, I think it's important that we
29:59
Speaker 2: also take as back remember how important it is that
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Speaker 2: you have competent leaders that understand how important it is
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Speaker 2: to protect and defend the homeland, to protect and defend freedom.
30:10
Speaker 2: And also just a moment to say thank you to
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Speaker 2: all of those that serve this country, to all of
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Speaker 2: those that wear the uniform, to all those that have
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Speaker 2: given the ultimate sacrifices and their families. There were so
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Speaker 2: many people that died on nine to eleven, but there
30:25
Speaker 2: was also the second part, and that was so many
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Speaker 2: that died because they wanted to protect and defend us
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Speaker 2: after nine to eleven that gave the ultimate sacrifice. And
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Speaker 2: I said to everybody listening, say thank you to a veteran.
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Speaker 2: Text them. Everybody knows a veteran, tell them thank you.
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Speaker 2: I had the privilege of playing golf today with some
30:47
Speaker 2: of those that actually took out some of the worst
30:50
Speaker 2: terrorists in the world, some special operators, and they were
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Speaker 2: amazing guys, and I say to them, thank you, because
30:59
Speaker 2: without you giving up years of your life and risking
31:02
Speaker 2: your life and losing your brothers in uniform, we wouldn't
31:06
Speaker 2: have the freedoms we have today.
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Speaker 1: And that's what we need to remember. I think during
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Speaker 1: this election season as well.
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