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Behind Closed Doors: Trump’s Quiet Push for Ukraine-Russia Peace · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Did you see that Hillary Clinton yesterday said that if
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  Speaker 1: you got this deal done and not capitulate to Putin,
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  Speaker 1: that she would nominate you for the Nobel Peace Price.
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  Speaker 2: At President Trump were the architect of that, I'd nominate
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  Speaker 2: him for a Nobel Peace Prize.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that was very nice.
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  Speaker 1: I may have to shug liking her again.
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  Speaker 4: You're listening to the forty seven Morning Update with Ben ferguson.
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  Speaker 2: Good Monday morning. It's nights. Have you with us on
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  Speaker 2: the forty seven Morning Update, and we've got one major
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  Speaker 2: story for you, Donald Trump moving towards peace, brokering a
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  Speaker 2: deal between Ukraine and Russia and hosting Zelensky. So why
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  Speaker 2: is the media acting like it's already a failure before
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  Speaker 2: the meeting even happened, because they hate Trump more than
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  Speaker 2: they want peace. We break it all down for you,
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  Speaker 2: forty seven Morning Update and it starts right now.
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  Speaker 4: Story number one.
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  Speaker 2: We've got a major story that we've got to talk
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  Speaker 2: and I've got all the information you're gonna need and
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  Speaker 2: it deals with Vladimir Putin, Ukraine Zelensky and Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 2: As you know, the summit took place on August the
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  Speaker 2: fifteenth and Anchorage, Alaska, and officials present, including Marco Ruvio
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  Speaker 2: and many of the envoy on the US side said
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  Speaker 2: that there was real progress that was made. Democrats in
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  Speaker 2: the media, of course, using the Sunday morning shows to
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  Speaker 2: lie to the American people. We also now know through
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  Speaker 2: sources the territorial proposals have been floated. In fact, quote,
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  Speaker 2: a potential peace framework is emerging. Putin reportedly offered to
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  Speaker 2: withdraw from small areas in southern Sumi and other areas
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  Speaker 2: in exchange for larger concessions from Ukraine. However, the ideas
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  Speaker 2: remain controversial and unresolved. Notably, Russia wants Ukraine to renounce
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  Speaker 2: NATO membership, partially lift sanctions, and acknowledge Russian sovereignty over CRIMEA.
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  Speaker 2: Ukraine firmly rejecting these conditions publicly today. But then there's
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  Speaker 2: where are we actually compared to the posturing in public. Well,
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  Speaker 2: one of the things we are learning about is security guarantees.
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  Speaker 2: In a notable development, Putin apparently agreed to allow the
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  Speaker 2: US and Europe to offer Ukraine NATO's style quote unquote
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  Speaker 2: security guarantees ach into Article five protections. That is a
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  Speaker 2: historic shift in Russia's posture. Now there is no agreement yet,
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  Speaker 2: despite Donald Trump calling the talks productive, and the media
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  Speaker 2: is saying they're a failure. This seems to be working
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  Speaker 2: towards a real formal agreement, and both sides are acknowledging
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  Speaker 2: that major points will have to be discussed, but they're
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  Speaker 2: willing to do it, all right. I want you to
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  Speaker 2: hear what Marco Rubio had to say. He was on
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  Speaker 2: face the nation Democrats saying that Donald Trump got played
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  Speaker 2: by Vladimir Putin. It's absurd. They weren't in the room.
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  Speaker 2: No he didn't, but there's nothing to say that that's
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  Speaker 2: actually what happened.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, the media is running with it because that's
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  Speaker 2: what Democrats are saying, and why because they would rather
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  Speaker 2: score political points against Aunt Trump then stop the senseless
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  Speaker 2: killing between Russia and Ukraine, with the innocent children and
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  Speaker 2: women and seniors and men and women in general that
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  Speaker 2: are being forced to fight in this war. I want
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  Speaker 2: you to hear the Secretary of State Rubio on Ukraine
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  Speaker 2: and what he says. This meeting with Zelenski is going
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  Speaker 2: to really look like this week, Miley.
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  Speaker 6: If Vladimir Putin is going to be offered land that
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  Speaker 6: he has not seized yet but negotiates his way into,
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  Speaker 6: doesn't this set a dangerous precedent that the United States
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  Speaker 6: now accepts this concept that it is okay to seize
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  Speaker 6: land by force.
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  Speaker 5: Well, Putin's already sees land by force, and that in
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  Speaker 5: and of itself is not a positive president.
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  Speaker 3: This whole war. Are you demanding a withdrawal for president?
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  Speaker 5: Well, again, here's the In order to have a deal
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  Speaker 5: here to end, to reach the end of this conflict,
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  Speaker 5: both sides are going to have to make concessions.
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  Speaker 3: That's just a fact.
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  Speaker 5: Any negotiation, no, no, but if but this is not
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  Speaker 5: about accepting. This is about what Ukraine can accept and
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  Speaker 5: what Russia can accept. They both have to accept it,
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  Speaker 5: otherwise there won't be a peace deal. Okay, if there
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  Speaker 5: aren't concessions. If one side gets everything they want, that's
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  Speaker 5: called surrender. That's called the end of the war through surrender,
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  Speaker 5: and not what we're close to doing anything close to it.
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  Speaker 3: So in order for there to be a peace deal,
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  Speaker 3: this is just a fact. Like it.
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  Speaker 5: It may not, it may be distaste, but in order
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  Speaker 5: for there to be an end of the war, there
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  Speaker 5: are things Russia wants that it cannot get, and there
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  Speaker 5: are things Ukraine wants that it's not going to get.
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  Speaker 5: Both sides are going to have to give up something
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  Speaker 5: in order to get to the table in order to
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  Speaker 5: make this happens. That's just the way it is, and
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  Speaker 5: I mean, the sooner we accept that that's the reality.
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  Speaker 5: Now what those things are, it's going to be up
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  Speaker 5: to both sides. There's no conditions that can be imposed
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  Speaker 5: on Ukraine. They're going to have to accept things, but
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  Speaker 5: they're going to have to get things too. And so
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  Speaker 5: for example, Ukraine is a sovereign country. They have a
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  Speaker 5: right like every sovereign country does in the world, to
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  Speaker 5: have the enter into security alliances with other countries to
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  Speaker 5: prevent an invasion in the future, to prevent threats to
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  Speaker 5: the national security. That's not an unreasonable record us. That's
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  Speaker 5: something needs to be worked on. Territories will have to
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  Speaker 5: be discussed. It's just a fact. And there are things
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  Speaker 5: that maybe Russia's holding now that they're going to have
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  Speaker 5: to give up.
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  Speaker 3: Who knows.
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  Speaker 5: The point is we need to create a scenario where
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  Speaker 5: that becomes possible. And that's why this has been so hard,
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  Speaker 5: because neither side up to now has been willing to
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  Speaker 5: give on some of these things.
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  Speaker 3: But we'll see if that's possible.
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  Speaker 5: It may not be, but we're going to try and
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  Speaker 5: we're going to do everything we can to try to
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  Speaker 5: achieve a peace.
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  Speaker 2: Now, think about what Marco Rubio just said there. He
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  Speaker 2: says we're moving towards peace. Why would anyone want a
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  Speaker 2: root against that? Why would you want to root against
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  Speaker 2: President Donald Trump? If he is able to get these
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  Speaker 2: parties to the table, which, by the way, is exactly
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  Speaker 2: what he's moving towards right now, getting closer than anybody
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  Speaker 2: else has, and he now has at least a framework,
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  Speaker 2: and that is part of what Marco Rubio also said
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  Speaker 2: on Face the Nation, reminding the host we are moving forward,
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  Speaker 2: whether you like it or not.
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  Speaker 6: Ask about the security that you just mentioned there, because
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  Speaker 6: Italy's Prime minister says that President Trump provide the idea
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  Speaker 6: of security guarantees inspired by NATO's Article five and a
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  Speaker 6: collective security clause that would involve the United States. How
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  Speaker 6: does that work? Are these US troops that we're going.
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  Speaker 3: To mons, Well, that's what we're going to be working on.
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  Speaker 3: That's why.
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  Speaker 5: That's one of the reasons why you know, I talked
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  Speaker 5: yesterday to all the national security advisors and a bunch
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  Speaker 5: of them from the different European countries. There are European
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  Speaker 5: leaders coming here tomorrow, Heads of state coming tomorrow along
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  Speaker 5: with President Zelensky to discuss this in more detail. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: the constructs of something like this needs to be built out.
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  Speaker 5: One's a concept is one thing. The reality you know,
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  Speaker 5: how it's built and how it would work is another.
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  Speaker 5: But those are the kinds of talks that we're going
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  Speaker 5: to be having with them, along with some of the
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  Speaker 5: other issues that are at play. But that that is
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  Speaker 5: one of the if you were to break this thing down.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, there are obviously there needs to be an
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  Speaker 5: agreement on territories and where the lines are going to
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  Speaker 5: be drawn.
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  Speaker 3: That's not going to be very easy. That's going to
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  Speaker 3: be tough.
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  Speaker 5: I think there has to be some discussion about security
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  Speaker 5: guarantees for Ukraine because they don't want this war, None
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  Speaker 5: of us want to see this war in the future.
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  Speaker 5: They're a sovereign country. They have a right to have
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  Speaker 5: security agreement with other countries and security alliances with other countries.
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  Speaker 5: And then there's the whole issue in construction, how do
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  Speaker 5: you rebuild the country? Well, potentially, like I said, that's
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  Speaker 5: what we're going to be having a conversation about, and
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  Speaker 5: that's what we're going to be meeting. That's why they're
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  Speaker 5: all coming here tomorrow, and that's why we've been talking
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  Speaker 5: on the phone for the last forty eight hours with.
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  Speaker 3: Them, and even leading up to it throughout the week, there.
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  Speaker 5: Were various meetings just to sort of build out some
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  Speaker 5: of these ideas. So all of these right now are ideas.
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  Speaker 5: There are concepts that require some more specificity. We'll need
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  Speaker 5: to work with our partners to see what that looks like.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that's an area where potential progress is real.
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  Speaker 5: But that alone won't be enough. There's a bunch of
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  Speaker 5: other things that have to be worked through.
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  Speaker 3: Here.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to be working right Notice how he's like,
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  Speaker 2: we have things to work through. There's no way everything
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  Speaker 2: could be agreed to to stop a multi year war
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  Speaker 2: in a three hour time span when only one of
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  Speaker 2: the two parties is in the room with President Trump.
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  Speaker 2: You think about their definitive success. It was an immediate
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  Speaker 2: end of the war, a ceasefire immediately. When Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: walked out of that meeting in Alaska. That was never
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  Speaker 2: going to happen. Everyone knows that was never going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: There are concessions that may need to be made. There
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  Speaker 2: are security guarantees that need to be made. And this
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  Speaker 2: goes back to how much the media hates Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 2: They would rather him fail then stop the senseless killing
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  Speaker 2: around the world. Now here's something else that also. Senor
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  Speaker 2: Rubio said that it's important listen carefully.
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  Speaker 3: Aim any concessions that Vladimir Putin made during this meeting.
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  Speaker 3: Has he any prog of any concession in your program?
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  Speaker 3: Why would I do that? Where is the quessure? Because
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  Speaker 3: you can't have a piece agreement.
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  Speaker 5: Now, you can't have a piece agreement unless both sides
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  Speaker 5: give and get. You can't have a piece agreement unless
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  Speaker 5: both sides make concessions. That's a fact, that's true, and
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  Speaker 5: virtually any negotiation if not, it's just called surrender. And
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  Speaker 5: neither side is going to surrender. So both sides are
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  Speaker 5: going to have to make concessions. So of course concessions
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  Speaker 5: were asked. But what utility would there be of me
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  Speaker 5: going on a program and tell you we've wagged our
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  Speaker 5: finger at Putin.
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  Speaker 3: And told them you must do this and you must
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  Speaker 3: do that.
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  Speaker 5: It's only make it's only going to make it harder
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  Speaker 5: and less likely that they're going to agree to these things.
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  Speaker 5: So these negotiations, as much as everyone would love it
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  Speaker 5: to be a live, pay per view event, these discussions
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  Speaker 5: only work best when they are conducted privately. Negotiation serious
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  Speaker 5: negotiations in which people who have to go back and
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  Speaker 5: respond to constituencies, because even solitarian governments have constituencies they
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  Speaker 5: have to respond to. People have to go back and
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  Speaker 5: defend these agreements that they make and so and figure
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  Speaker 5: out a way to explain them to people. So we
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  Speaker 5: need to create space for concessions to be made. But
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  Speaker 5: of course the concessions were asked.
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  Speaker 2: Of course concessions were asked. We work and do these
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  Speaker 2: discussions in private. Isn't it amazing how the media they
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  Speaker 2: believe they're so important that they should be in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of negotiations between Russia, Ukraine, the EU and the
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  Speaker 2: United States of America. Leave it to the liberal media
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  Speaker 2: to act like this while also hoping that the president fails.
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  Speaker 2: The good news is the meetings are continuing and it
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  Speaker 2: looks like President Trump is getting closer to peace, certainly
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  Speaker 2: than anyone else has been able to do in the world.
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