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Rushion Interviews Bishop Marvin Sapp, Multi-platinum Gospel Icon, and Songwriter |Ronnie Green, Black Championship Fisherman! · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. It's the show that she
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Speaker 1: from my man, Rashan McDonald money Making Conversations. Here we come.
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Speaker 1: My guest today is Bishop Marvin Sapp. He's a Multiplatinum
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Speaker 1: Guys for Gospel Icon, songwriter, pastor and the executive producer
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Speaker 1: of the new TV one original film Never would Have
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Speaker 1: Made It that Marvin Staff story. We've also been discussing
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Speaker 1: his fifteenth album, Substance, released in June, mark Marvin Staff's
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Speaker 1: seventh number one album Debate. The album was released on
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Speaker 1: his own label, Elevate Entertainment, which is distributed through thirty Tigers.
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Speaker 1: We'll talk about his move from his hometown of Grand
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Speaker 1: Raptorsness to my home state for worth text. We're gonna
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Speaker 1: talk about that that right now. Is that he changed? Baby?
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Speaker 1: Is that he changed? But most importantly we're talking about
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Speaker 1: his family, faith and sense of humor from a person
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Speaker 1: who has delivered such incredible gospel songs like never would
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Speaker 1: have made it and the best to me, please work
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Speaker 1: with the money making Conversation masterclass, the one and only
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Speaker 1: Bishop Marvin Sap. How are you doing? Certain? I am great,
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Speaker 1: I'm on top and rising high. How are you doing well? Great?
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Speaker 1: Let's let's let's let's get to the big move first, okay,
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Speaker 1: because I've been up in Michigan like it's a shape
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Speaker 1: like your hand, and then you moved out of my state. Now,
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Speaker 1: first of all, why did you move? And then we're
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Speaker 1: gonna talk about the elements. Well, you know, honestly, you know,
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Speaker 1: we can always use this. You know, people would say
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Speaker 1: it's cliche, but honestly, I moved because it was it
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Speaker 1: was God. It was it was a god tying move
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Speaker 1: for me. And UM, I needed change and I didn't
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Speaker 1: know how bad I need to change until I got here.
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Speaker 1: UM And strangely enough, I waited till I was fifty
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Speaker 1: two years old to decide to pack my bags and
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Speaker 1: move to another state. UM, and took a church here
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Speaker 1: to the churchyard. I burned the mortgage on the church
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Speaker 1: in the city. Now lived and had accessiful church and
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Speaker 1: grand and five earning blused members actively we're worshiping with
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Speaker 1: us every week. And UH moved down here to start
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Speaker 1: from scratched in essence. And I still have three uh
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Speaker 1: storage units of furniture in Michigan. And you know, I
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Speaker 1: just came here just to start over, start fresh, and
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Speaker 1: it's it's been a great, great blessing to me. You
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Speaker 1: talked about how I left the state that was shaped
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Speaker 1: like a hand, and I'm thinking about I moved to
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Speaker 1: a state that shaped like a frying pan, amazingly. But
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Speaker 1: it was good for me and it has been good
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Speaker 1: to me. Well, you know, I love that because y'all,
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Speaker 1: I was born to read in Houston. And then people
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Speaker 1: think because you're up in Dallas for worth, it's cooler.
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Speaker 1: It's actually it's hotter in Dallas than it is in
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Speaker 1: in Houston. It's more humid in Houston as it is
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Speaker 1: of course it's by the ocean. But no, I mean,
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Speaker 1: like we this they said this summer has been unseasonable. Um,
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Speaker 1: we've averaged a hundred degrees and no rain, for the
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Speaker 1: last sixty plus days, every day it's been a hundred
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Speaker 1: plus degrees. And this is something that I'm absolutely not
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Speaker 1: used to. So I don't leave the house much. I
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Speaker 1: don't leave the house much. And uh, but but you know,
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Speaker 1: I have a I have a great church in Fort Worth,
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Speaker 1: Texas and uh, the Chosen Vessel Church. And if you
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Speaker 1: get a chance to come see us, absolutely, or you
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Speaker 1: can watch this every Sunday at eleven am Central Standard
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Speaker 1: Time or any of our social media platforms and and
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Speaker 1: and it's it's a great situation. It was a great movie. Cool.
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Speaker 1: I always feel, you know, because one of my my
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Speaker 1: minutes of inspiration runs into your syndicated UH platforms that
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Speaker 1: runs a national So I always know, hey, that's my bar.
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Speaker 1: Appreciate being a part of that powerful network. Our relationship
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Speaker 1: goes back to Steve Harvey and uh, you know when
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Speaker 1: we used to play your music uh in l A
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Speaker 1: before anybody's allowing gospel. I remember you stopped as an
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Speaker 1: air force said thank you, Mr Harvey. I appreciate those checks.
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Speaker 1: You played my song absolutely absolutely, But as you as
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Speaker 1: you grow into talent, as you grow. It was when
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Speaker 1: I was watching the movie in the movie I'm talking
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Speaker 1: about this then the Mofice Stapp story that's gonna be
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Speaker 1: airing on TV once, the TV one of original. You know,
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Speaker 1: it was kind of like interesting because I started saying
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Speaker 1: how our relationship was played out by some of these.
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Speaker 1: Of course it didn't extend beyond for the movie, but
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Speaker 1: our relationship has extended off beyond that because he's the
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Speaker 1: only ghost gospel artist in the history of when he
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Speaker 1: was doing the Neigbor, the Wards did for sixty years
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Speaker 1: open the show. You were the only gospel artist I
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Speaker 1: ever asked to open the show, and Steve Harvey I
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Speaker 1: sat down and all about that, you know, because we
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Speaker 1: always opened a serious I just think it was time
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Speaker 1: and it was in Las Vegas. It was sold out
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Speaker 1: in the eighteen thousand people out there, and it was
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Speaker 1: it was It was a blessing. So you have a gift, sir,
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Speaker 1: that we talk about. That gift your your your wife
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Speaker 1: who has passed away. We talked about her in the
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Speaker 1: movie A Love. We're gonna talk about her more in
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Speaker 1: a minute. Sometow You ran away from that gift, and
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Speaker 1: so many people in life run from gifts or don't
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Speaker 1: understand those gifts that God just gifts them talk about
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Speaker 1: yours and the journey and how you try to make
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Speaker 1: sure your children and people around them understand the value
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Speaker 1: of gifts. Well, I think you know, what people really
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Speaker 1: need to understand is that where where there is gift,
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Speaker 1: there's major responsibility. And I think you know that the
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Speaker 1: reason why people run away from their gifts is because
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Speaker 1: of the simple fact that the responsibility that goes along
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Speaker 1: with them can be way, it can be happy. And
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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, when you consider, you know the responsibility
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Speaker 1: of what you care, Uh, sometimes you just don't want
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Speaker 1: the responsibility. So I understand why people run away from
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Speaker 1: their gifts. I did, you know as a out I
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Speaker 1: knew what what my calling was on my life, you know,
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Speaker 1: early early, early on. UM. But even though I knew
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Speaker 1: what my call was early on, I still was like,
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Speaker 1: you know what, I don't want this because I looked
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Speaker 1: at what other people have to go through with it,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know if it's necessarily something that I
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Speaker 1: wanted to be bothered with. UM. But when you have
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Speaker 1: a gift, when you have a call, no matter how
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Speaker 1: hard you try to run from it, some strange reason,
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Speaker 1: it always catches up with you. And uh, you can
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Speaker 1: give in easily, or you can do like I did
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Speaker 1: and give in the hard way, but ultimately you don't
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Speaker 1: get into it. So you know, I'm grateful that, you know,
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Speaker 1: I've been able to embrace what's on my life, and
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Speaker 1: not only just embrace what's on my life, but by
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Speaker 1: the grace of God, be able to carry it and
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Speaker 1: use it, or rather parlay it into doing some amazing things.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, um, I'm the first, as you
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Speaker 1: already said a few moments ago, the first a male
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Speaker 1: gospel artist, um, to ever have a biopic of his own. Uh.
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Speaker 1: You know. Of course, the Clock Sisters did it as
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Speaker 1: a group, um years ago they did. It wasn't called
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Speaker 1: a biopic, but it was a documentseries on you know,
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Speaker 1: James Cleveland, the Sisters and on so forth. But to
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Speaker 1: have a movie being done your life, especially something that
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Speaker 1: you didn't ask for, it kind of found you right
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Speaker 1: and to be able to share, you know, your ups
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Speaker 1: and your downs and what you had to come through
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Speaker 1: to get to where you are. It's just a major
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Speaker 1: blessing and I absolutely appreciate it. And there never would
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Speaker 1: have made it a film that's an original film. The
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Speaker 1: Marvin Sap Story written and directed by Syndicated a radio
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Speaker 1: producer and host Russ Paul as well as he was
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Speaker 1: he was a co writer on the project. I co
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Speaker 1: wrote on it, Russ co wrote on it, and a
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Speaker 1: couple of other fellas. We all came together and we
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Speaker 1: just put our our hands together and try to make
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Speaker 1: sure that we gave people a story that was real. Um,
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Speaker 1: that was authentic, but most importantly that was encouraging to
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Speaker 1: let people know that, yeah, you know, everybody, no matter
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Speaker 1: how successful they may seem to be, to your natural
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Speaker 1: I everybody has a story that they had to come
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Speaker 1: through something to get to it got to and and
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Speaker 1: and that coming through it is possible that you don't
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Speaker 1: have to remain where you are, but but there is
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Speaker 1: in the end to whatever challenge you back. And then
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Speaker 1: you had my good friend h on the show producing
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Speaker 1: what you Feel thought you Phil Me and Feel executive
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Speaker 1: produced as well. And um, my relationship with Feel goes
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Speaker 1: way back because he was my record company executive for
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Speaker 1: many many years at r C Inspiration and honestly he
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Speaker 1: left r C Inspirational at the same time I left
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Speaker 1: our c A Inspiration. My contract was up after thirty years. Amazingly, Uh,
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Speaker 1: in the Sony system, and um, he just decided he
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Speaker 1: wants to move on and do some different things too.
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Speaker 1: But we remain friends. He's my frat brother, so that
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Speaker 1: makes it easy for both of us ka side to
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Speaker 1: the day we die by you by And like I
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Speaker 1: tell Phil, sometimes these conversations be going good, you know,
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Speaker 1: and then you know, we want to talk to a
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Speaker 1: cute about them. Now see what I'm saying. And if
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Speaker 1: you Tommy all, y'all hut than around talking pretty about
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Speaker 1: left pretty. But it's a blessing man to be able
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Speaker 1: to to be able to you know, share and people
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Speaker 1: to you know, be able to see and and and
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Speaker 1: and allow them to have some you know, insight into
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Speaker 1: your life so they get a clear understanding of who
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Speaker 1: you are as a person. So I'm honored, I really am.
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm honored, and I want people to watch it
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Speaker 1: on the twenty one of August. I believe it's gonna
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Speaker 1: be a great blessing to him and I belonged to Gosh,
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Speaker 1: some of them are gonna be challenging and encouraged. No, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I get it. No matter how bad my child may
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Speaker 1: be right now, there's still an opportunity for it turn around.
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Speaker 1: No matter how bad sick I am, there's still an
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Speaker 1: opportunity for turn around and to teach people to remain
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Speaker 1: in faith in the midst of it all. I think
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Speaker 1: that's what it's all about. It's really a beautiful movie. Um.
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Speaker 1: You know we're talking about never would have made it
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Speaker 1: that we will be premiered on the TV one network,
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Speaker 1: The Marvin Staff Story. Um. But I asked you this question.
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Speaker 1: Is the movie a celebration of your overcoming the odds
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Speaker 1: in your life or a tribute to your late wife.
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Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of both. It's it's
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Speaker 1: a celebration of me overcoming the odds of life and
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Speaker 1: my children overcoming some very very challenging moments and still
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Speaker 1: being able to rise above them and succeed in spite
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Speaker 1: of my kids. I'm so proud of them. My son
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Speaker 1: works for Amazon Web Services. Um, he's doing very well.
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Speaker 1: Just got engaged to a very lovely young lady. My
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Speaker 1: daughters and her master's program in psychology. Um, just like
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Speaker 1: her mom, appearing to get her c I d um.
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Speaker 1: My baby girl is finishing her dual bachelor's in psychology
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Speaker 1: and biology with the goal of going to medical school.
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Speaker 1: You know, because of the trauma that they went through,
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Speaker 1: they could have went a whole another direction, right, because
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Speaker 1: we taught them faith, because we taught them the importance
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Speaker 1: of trust in God even when you can't trace him,
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Speaker 1: even though that's definitely uh, you know a church colloquialism, um,
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Speaker 1: trust in God when you can't trace him. I believe
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Speaker 1: that that's the reason why they getting still have been
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Speaker 1: as successful and even moving forward in the levels of
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Speaker 1: success that they they have been here. And I'm a
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Speaker 1: proud dad because of that. Um, I know that I
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Speaker 1: had them from eleven, thirteen, and sixteen till now, but
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Speaker 1: their mom and still such foundational morals in them. You know,
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Speaker 1: while she was scared it it speaks to who they
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Speaker 1: are as young adults. But also I did, I did
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Speaker 1: wanted to pay a manage to my wife, I mean
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Speaker 1: my late wife, Mamanda. Um. She was an amazing give.
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Speaker 1: She was an individual who in spite of her short
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Speaker 1: life and her struggle that she had to deal with
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Speaker 1: with their hop Um, she did some magnificent things. Because
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Speaker 1: it's a biopick, because we've got ninety minutes when they
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Speaker 1: able to really put all the things in there that
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Speaker 1: she did. But one of the things I wanted to
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Speaker 1: make sure that everyone knew is is that the only
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Speaker 1: reason why they heard never would have made it is
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Speaker 1: because pushed me to do it. And that is omage
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Speaker 1: to her. That is me paying it forward and letting
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Speaker 1: people know that there and while they heard that song
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Speaker 1: is because of that. But I mean, like Melinda College
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Speaker 1: professor in our city. Uh, she was a director of psychometry.
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Speaker 1: We had a mental hospital. She was on the board
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Speaker 1: of that same mental hospital foundation board at the same
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Speaker 1: mental hospital, pig Rest Mental Health Services. UM. She was
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Speaker 1: executive pastor of my church. She was had many different
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Speaker 1: foundations and things that she was brought of, and she
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Speaker 1: was a community activist to the point that the Grand
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Speaker 1: Rapids Symphony Orchestra named an award after her, the Doctor
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Speaker 1: Milnity be sad Legacy Award that they give away every
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Speaker 1: year to uh some deserving young person or deserving community
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Speaker 1: activists in our community of Grand Rapids, Michigan. And to me,
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Speaker 1: that's important because they've never done that before, and that's
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Speaker 1: been done and named by the Grand Anti Symphony Foundation.
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Speaker 1: So you know, it's more to her than that's what
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Speaker 1: she did musically, executive produced Thirsty the Record executive. Here,
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Speaker 1: I am the record. She actually did the video where
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Speaker 1: she was a producer and did all the editing and
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Speaker 1: all god stuff. I mean, you know, I could go
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Speaker 1: on and on and on about what she did do. However,
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Speaker 1: you know, I want everybody to know that this is
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Speaker 1: this is me saying, you know, she was a great
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Speaker 1: woman and my kids need to see that, right, they
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Speaker 1: need to say thank you. And she's gone. We'll be
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Speaker 1: right back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Now,
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Speaker 1: let's return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald.
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Speaker 1: You know, the beauty of watching a biopick like this
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Speaker 1: is that you know you can sing and you so
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Speaker 1: you gotta get an actor in here. You gotta get
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Speaker 1: an actor in here thinking hold some notes, you know,
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Speaker 1: thinking hold some notes. You know the actor you know
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Speaker 1: you had a good old friend played a child on
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Speaker 1: Steve Harvey's first sitcom way back in four a PC
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Speaker 1: being the boards Chance Lamar Ship. Yeah, man, Chads is
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Speaker 1: an amazing gift. He's an amazing sing, amazing actor. You
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Speaker 1: know for those people everybody's like, well, he don't look
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Speaker 1: like people I don't. I didn't even care. I was like,
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Speaker 1: he can sing, he can act. I mean, we talked,
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Speaker 1: we communicated. He tapped into the emotions the things that
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Speaker 1: I was dealing with. And plus he's strong in his
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Speaker 1: faith too. I'm just thinking, absolutely, he's a big family
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Speaker 1: man and uh, you know, I'm just honored man that
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Speaker 1: when we contacted him and asked him to be a
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Speaker 1: part of this, uh, he said yes. It was really amazing.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know. I met Chadz in
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Speaker 1: the parking lot of West Angeles Church of God in
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Speaker 1: Christ maybe twenty five years right, Okay, I know exactly
15:52
Speaker 1: what that Chris, y'all. And we were just talking. I
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Speaker 1: was there preaching and he in the parking lot. He
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Speaker 1: had on some necklace and I like, didn't. I told
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Speaker 1: him and we out and we talked and laughed, and uh.
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Speaker 1: I went to see him one time when he was
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Speaker 1: on Broadway, right. He was harpo for uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: on the Broadway version of Color Purple. Uh. I saw
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Speaker 1: him there and he's like, what are you doing here?
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Speaker 1: And I was like, man, I just I'm in town
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Speaker 1: doing business and they told me you were forming and
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Speaker 1: he's like, why do you contact somebody, I get a ticket.
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Speaker 1: I said, no, no, no, no, bought my ticket because
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Speaker 1: we're doing everything that you were doing. So when when
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Speaker 1: the opportunity came to be able to positively work with him,
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Speaker 1: I was like, absolutely, absolutely, he's the perfect person. And
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Speaker 1: he did an amazing job and amazing job and reach.
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Speaker 1: I just bringing it up when I said, you know
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Speaker 1: that he's strong in his faith, is that it's not
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Speaker 1: something he had to find that he knows you to
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Speaker 1: find the rational and it's natural. Uh, and his approach
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Speaker 1: to his life. And I'm not saying you gotta go
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Speaker 1: there and then to have that that that that deeply
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Speaker 1: immerged values of faith. But I'm just saying this that
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Speaker 1: that's that what you saw on that movie and we'll
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Speaker 1: see on this movie that is chass Lamar Shepherd for real.
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Speaker 1: My only thing I will just tell you how somebody
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Speaker 1: Bishop Sauth one of the most entertaining, funny naturally off stage.
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Speaker 1: See he's laughing a little bit and he's showing me
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Speaker 1: a little person out there here because he preaches and
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Speaker 1: he seems he's amazing. Gospel song at the Neighborhood Awards,
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Speaker 1: I always have on the front row and Steve would
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Speaker 1: ask for them be on front row because he has
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Speaker 1: a laugh. I mean, he's one of those people who laugh.
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Speaker 1: He give up the body. When he gives up the body,
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Speaker 1: And if you're if you're a comedian, that's what you want.
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Speaker 1: You want somebody you can see the last start up
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Speaker 1: in the in the in the brow and go all
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Speaker 1: the way down to his feet, and that's you laugh
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Speaker 1: for real, Bishop South. Because I enjoyed. I mean, like
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Speaker 1: you know, I enjoyed. I mean Steve has always been
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Speaker 1: great to me. I mean when I say he's been
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Speaker 1: great to me, I mean, like anything musically I've ever had,
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Speaker 1: Steve make sure everybody Mama knew about it. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he really has been I don't want to say it
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Speaker 1: like this, but he has been like a real chill leader,
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Speaker 1: you know, with all of my music, and always been transparent,
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Speaker 1: having very very serious conversations with me about his faith
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Speaker 1: and things of that nature. And I mean, I just
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Speaker 1: I'm appreciative, but I mean I just but I also
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Speaker 1: feel like just because you're a preacher, you don't have
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Speaker 1: to be stiff. You know, you gotta be that dude
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Speaker 1: that uh, you know, don't have no sense of humor.
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Speaker 1: It's just funny that Crawford and that dog on. I
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Speaker 1: never get that day on the veil and uh, David
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Speaker 1: Mann was going back and forth that was that was
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Speaker 1: in Atlanta, and Atlanta almost had to carry me about it.
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Speaker 1: And and then of course, you know, you know, whenever
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Speaker 1: I was on stage, they would always put me with
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Speaker 1: my girl the whole time. And the funniest thing, uh
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Speaker 1: sit there and and then for us to just you know,
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Speaker 1: you know, the banger piece. So I mean, like, you
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Speaker 1: gotta have a sense of humor in life after Its
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Speaker 1: like a medicine. So the reason why I laughed like
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Speaker 1: I laughed because I believe that this he look in it.
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Speaker 1: So I'm just righting all and I love it. Don't
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Speaker 1: give that was the only thing that was missing in
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Speaker 1: the biopic. You really don't see that humorous sapper Like
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Speaker 1: he says name in minutes. All you can do is
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Speaker 1: put so much in naming minute. But I'm just telling y'all,
19:36
Speaker 1: in real life he's special because he lives life. He
19:40
Speaker 1: shows life, and he's an everyday guy. He walks in faith,
19:44
Speaker 1: but he also walks into quality where life brings to him.
19:47
Speaker 1: The table I'm talking about mister Marvin Staff. His movie
19:51
Speaker 1: is going to be premiering on TV one August twenty one.
19:54
Speaker 1: The Marvin Staff story never would have made it now
19:57
Speaker 1: leven eight h l of a eight entertaining Now Substance
20:03
Speaker 1: came back in June. You know, Uh, what made it
20:06
Speaker 1: different and what made it show unique substance? Well, substance
20:10
Speaker 1: is different this simply because it's on my own label.
20:13
Speaker 1: And the reality is is that being on a record
20:16
Speaker 1: label for thirty years, a major label, being on Sony
20:19
Speaker 1: for thirty years. Um, it's different because now you run it,
20:23
Speaker 1: you own it. It is your responsibility to take care everything.
20:26
Speaker 1: Before you know, the record coming to give you a budget.
20:30
Speaker 1: You take that budget. Um you're going to studio or
20:33
Speaker 1: you go do a live record, and then actually get
20:36
Speaker 1: to do that live record. You turn it in. Once
20:39
Speaker 1: you turn it in, that's it, you know, and then
20:40
Speaker 1: they tell you when you gotta take pictures. They find
20:43
Speaker 1: our person to do the album covers and all this
20:46
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So it's real easy. Uh, it's like
20:49
Speaker 1: that when you go old, right, you know. So I
20:52
Speaker 1: had to do all of that myself, had to make
20:54
Speaker 1: sure everything was done, mixing, mastering, UM, photo sheets, Uh,
21:00
Speaker 1: uh find the art director. Uh make sure all of
21:05
Speaker 1: the songs are uh coded. Uh. It's just a whole
21:10
Speaker 1: bunch of things that go along with me and an
21:12
Speaker 1: owner that I didn't have to do just being an artist. Um.
21:16
Speaker 1: But at the same token, the blessing of it is
21:19
Speaker 1: that gave me an opportunity to learn a whole other aspect,
21:22
Speaker 1: even though I knew already, but to learn the whole
21:25
Speaker 1: different area of the business that I never had to
21:28
Speaker 1: do before, and it gave me an appreciation. But those
21:32
Speaker 1: who work behind the scenes at the record company, right,
21:35
Speaker 1: you know things that they do because it's it's a
21:37
Speaker 1: lot of work, but it's exciting because Uh, I'm my
21:42
Speaker 1: own master now right, know what I mean. I'm not
21:44
Speaker 1: owned by anyone. You know, I take care of me,
21:49
Speaker 1: and um, that's a great, great feeling. Man. So Substance
21:53
Speaker 1: is the first of hopefully many on my own personal label. Um,
21:58
Speaker 1: this is my fifteenth R man. Do you know that's
22:01
Speaker 1: a lot of music, you know what I'm saying of music?
22:05
Speaker 1: So you know, um, I'm excited and looking forward to bigger, better,
22:09
Speaker 1: and grater. As we close out the interviews, two things
22:12
Speaker 1: I want to bring up I could always talk about
22:14
Speaker 1: fear in this show, Overcoming Fear. You know, people tend
22:17
Speaker 1: to stay at the same job, staying the same relationship,
22:20
Speaker 1: fear of losing weight, fear what their children might think
22:23
Speaker 1: of them. And you in this interview, you talked about
22:25
Speaker 1: two things that fear could have stopped you. Okay, fear
22:29
Speaker 1: could have stopped you from starting your own company, leaving
22:32
Speaker 1: the record label you've been over over thirty years. And
22:34
Speaker 1: fear could have stopped you from moving from Grand Rapids
22:37
Speaker 1: to Fort Worth, Texas. Those are two prominent things in
22:40
Speaker 1: this interview. I want to remind people that they heard
22:43
Speaker 1: come out of this interview. Can you in and say,
22:48
Speaker 1: how are we able to overcome those dramatic moments in
22:51
Speaker 1: your life? And it was never seamless, but much thought
22:55
Speaker 1: and much state faith was put into that process. So
22:57
Speaker 1: people are listening watching, can you the same nuggets of
23:01
Speaker 1: information to emotionally get them over the hum Well? I
23:04
Speaker 1: think that that's what they need to understand. You said it,
23:06
Speaker 1: You said it prowerfully, You said, you know, fear, it
23:10
Speaker 1: took faith and and and fear is literally the opposite
23:13
Speaker 1: of faith, you know, and and and I just had
23:16
Speaker 1: enough faith. I've been trusting God all these years, and
23:19
Speaker 1: I pretty much know the pushing, the urging, um, the voice,
23:24
Speaker 1: the unctioning of God. And once I made a decision
23:28
Speaker 1: to transition, and it took some time. Trust me, it
23:31
Speaker 1: didn't just I didn't just wake up in the morning
23:33
Speaker 1: and say, you know, I'm moving to text right in
23:35
Speaker 1: a few years. And because it was a struggle, because
23:39
Speaker 1: I was thinking about here, this, this is key. I
23:43
Speaker 1: was thinking about all that I was leaving, yes, but
23:47
Speaker 1: I never thought about all that I was going to
23:50
Speaker 1: receive in the future. And see, that's why we stay stuck,
23:55
Speaker 1: because we're so busy looking at what we have that
23:59
Speaker 1: we think about what we could have. Wow, and uh,
24:04
Speaker 1: I'm doing better now that I was doing in Michigan.
24:08
Speaker 1: I'm happier now than I ever was in Michigan, at
24:11
Speaker 1: least since the passing of my life. Um. And I
24:16
Speaker 1: mean like it was just it was a great decision.
24:19
Speaker 1: The church and Grand Rapids is better now because they
24:22
Speaker 1: have a new pastor and they're moving forward. This church
24:25
Speaker 1: is better because they have a new pastor and they're
24:28
Speaker 1: moving forward. So it's just man all the way around.
24:31
Speaker 1: It was a leap of faith and I came by myself.
24:35
Speaker 1: I didn't bring nobody with me. I literally moved like
24:40
Speaker 1: by myself. Um, and when I got here, I didn't
24:43
Speaker 1: know anybody. Uh. Now you know, we're growing, we're establishing
24:48
Speaker 1: relationships with people. Um. We were here six months and
24:51
Speaker 1: COVID hit. So then we was in the house by ourselves,
24:53
Speaker 1: just me and the three kids because they were afraid.
24:56
Speaker 1: They moved here and stayed with me for three, um
24:59
Speaker 1: maybe six month before they all decided to adventure back
25:03
Speaker 1: to the places that they were at. So I mean, like,
25:06
Speaker 1: you know, you just gotta you gotta, you gotta jump.
25:09
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, he's Bishop Marvin Sap never would have made
25:15
Speaker 1: it the best of me. It's its own independent record label.
25:19
Speaker 1: Now more importantly, August, that's a Sunday one of this.
25:24
Speaker 1: Mark never would have made it. The Marvel's app story.
25:26
Speaker 1: You gotta watch it. You gotta watch it because I learned,
25:29
Speaker 1: and also it's it's a moment's it's fine active. But
25:32
Speaker 1: he appears in there. I'm not gonna tell you how
25:35
Speaker 1: when he drops in there dropping those nuggets. And I
25:38
Speaker 1: loved it because I came from the hood of community
25:41
Speaker 1: just like him and my family with the McDonald family
25:44
Speaker 1: and some of my mom. Man, she just held it
25:47
Speaker 1: down like your mom. You know. It was all kind
25:50
Speaker 1: of activity that wasn't good around us. And we had
25:53
Speaker 1: she had six daughters and two boys, including to me
25:56
Speaker 1: that was nine kids. So but when we moved out
25:59
Speaker 1: of the neighborhood, the neighborhood seemed like it just collapsed.
26:02
Speaker 1: So I know what story you're telling about your mom.
26:06
Speaker 1: Her strength in respect can cause other people who are
26:10
Speaker 1: not on that path to stay there just long enough,
26:13
Speaker 1: just to keep the evil out of the house. And
26:16
Speaker 1: that's what you did. And I really appreciated the story
26:19
Speaker 1: you was able to tell about her, But more importantly,
26:22
Speaker 1: I appreciate you sharing your story. August one on TV one,
26:26
Speaker 1: the Marvis Staff story. Appreciate your Bishop Man. Thank you.
26:30
Speaker 1: We talked soon, all right. If you want to hear
26:32
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26:33
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26:37
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26:40
Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. You are now
26:45
Speaker 1: tuned into the Money Making Conversations Minute of Inspiration with
26:49
Speaker 1: Rashan McDonald. Hi Roshan McDonald for money Making Conversations masterclass
26:54
Speaker 1: with your daily minute of inspiration. This week, I sat
26:57
Speaker 1: down with CEO and co found of Tyler New Media,
27:00
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27:03
Speaker 1: shares the importance of choosing your message or wisely and
27:06
Speaker 1: making sure they walk to talk. It's a lot of
27:08
Speaker 1: times we look at people and may be celebrities when
27:10
Speaker 1: I say, are they really hardcore entrepreneurs? And you know
27:14
Speaker 1: they couldn't be someone with a brand um, you know,
27:16
Speaker 1: connect them with something to make more money from. But
27:18
Speaker 1: like you said, I feel like Magic Johnson isn't is
27:20
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur. He's a dream and he thinks big. And
27:23
Speaker 1: that's we want to really encourage people in the audience.
27:24
Speaker 1: It hears to be live to do a lot of
27:26
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27:28
Speaker 1: first generation entrepreneurs. We may not have grown up around entrepreneurship,
27:32
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27:34
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27:36
Speaker 1: them to come in and have that conversation. If you
27:38
Speaker 1: were to listen to this four interview with Lamar Taylor,
27:40
Speaker 1: it's available on Money Making Conversation dot com Now, let's
27:44
Speaker 1: return to money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. My
27:49
Speaker 1: guest today is Running Green. He's the careerismatic host of
27:53
Speaker 1: a fishing story. Running Green is a graduate. Because I'm
27:56
Speaker 1: from Texas, I always got throughout that Texas connector is
27:59
Speaker 1: a graduate of Texas Tech University, where he read track. Now,
28:02
Speaker 1: I didn't run tracks. I was just a guy who
28:04
Speaker 1: watched people run track. He served as I have to
28:07
Speaker 1: thank you for the US. He's a U. S. Marine
28:10
Speaker 1: Corps veteran and successful former executive in the corporate world,
28:14
Speaker 1: just like I used to be at IBM. So we
28:15
Speaker 1: have a lot of We kind of got a lot
28:17
Speaker 1: of things in common. You know, Texas, he did the
28:20
Speaker 1: corporate thing and all that good stuff. Now he is
28:22
Speaker 1: a well known fisherman, something I cannot do. He's participated
28:27
Speaker 1: in multiple professional fishing circuits, he said, indeed one of
28:31
Speaker 1: the top people in the world five years ago. Since
28:34
Speaker 1: he was five years old, he's been fishing. I remember
28:36
Speaker 1: I started the Little Cane Baked Bank for fishing. That's
28:39
Speaker 1: how I started in the business. His show has won
28:42
Speaker 1: over thirty two awards total, including the multiple Telly Awards
28:46
Speaker 1: in the Premier. Honoring the Premier is honoring of programming
28:49
Speaker 1: excellence in television and video. Please work with money Making
28:53
Speaker 1: Conversation masterclass Again, one of my dear friends is to
28:56
Speaker 1: running green. How are you doing, sir Ra Shawn? Is
29:00
Speaker 1: a slow pleasure to see you again. Man. You know,
29:03
Speaker 1: always people like you, all right, I always got I'm enjoying.
29:06
Speaker 1: But I gotta play with the intro because you know,
29:08
Speaker 1: you're you're such a unique individual with your skills. Said,
29:12
Speaker 1: because how many black fishermen we know, Like I said,
29:15
Speaker 1: I fished. You know there's a lot of black people
29:17
Speaker 1: out there fishing, but professional black fisherman's that's a rare.
29:22
Speaker 1: Just like race car driving, you know, it's like golfers.
29:25
Speaker 1: You know there's a lot of black people out there
29:26
Speaker 1: golfer When you turn on the TV, how many black
29:29
Speaker 1: peoplec golfing. It's a lot of people out there race cars.
29:32
Speaker 1: Only you see is Bubba Wallace. And so it becomes
29:35
Speaker 1: a very unique skill set because you can enjoy it.
29:40
Speaker 1: But when you start going to that next level, what
29:43
Speaker 1: makes you that unique African American talent or Black talent
29:47
Speaker 1: that's been able to break that ceiling? Well, I think
29:51
Speaker 1: one of the things that is uh, fishing is a
29:53
Speaker 1: universal language. And if you understand how to navigate the
29:57
Speaker 1: world using that universal language, UM and understanding the needs
30:02
Speaker 1: or needs no matter where you go and what you do,
30:05
Speaker 1: and fishing is fishing. I think it helps you to
30:08
Speaker 1: figure out how to win in this industry. And I've
30:11
Speaker 1: been able to do that and I'm so fortunate and
30:12
Speaker 1: blessed um to be able to make a living doing
30:15
Speaker 1: it and making a living. And so you know we
30:19
Speaker 1: were last time I interviewed was Smack Dab and COVID.
30:22
Speaker 1: You came out of the George Force crisis and so
30:25
Speaker 1: the world was different. The world was different at that time,
30:28
Speaker 1: and now we fast forward to two because I you know,
30:31
Speaker 1: somebod I think this it would be three different transitions.
30:33
Speaker 1: You had the transition before George Floyd and COVID, Then
30:36
Speaker 1: you had COVID and George Floyd, and then now we're
30:39
Speaker 1: dealing with post George Floyd and still in the pandemic
30:43
Speaker 1: but with restrictions involuntary and voluntary. Can you walk us
30:48
Speaker 1: through those different steps of your career and where you
30:51
Speaker 1: are right now, so pre George Floyd and and the
30:55
Speaker 1: crisis we had in our country. It was a lot
30:59
Speaker 1: going on, and this is a very unique industry, and
31:03
Speaker 1: it's and that the business model is similar to NASCAR,
31:06
Speaker 1: as you see folks wearing a lot of patches and
31:08
Speaker 1: a lot of different sponsors on their on their jersey,
31:12
Speaker 1: on their peril, and even on their vehicle that they use,
31:16
Speaker 1: whether it's a boat or whether it's a NASCAR car.
31:19
Speaker 1: So it's the same in that sense, but it's also
31:22
Speaker 1: unique in the sense that you see little sprinkles of
31:26
Speaker 1: minorities like myself in the industry. Um So it can
31:31
Speaker 1: be seen as a very unique thing. But my job
31:34
Speaker 1: is to more so educate people on the history of
31:38
Speaker 1: fishing in America, because fishing in America goes through the
31:41
Speaker 1: hands of slaves in America where we were a part
31:45
Speaker 1: of fishing, especially African American females. A lot of people
31:49
Speaker 1: don't know that um as relates to fishing. So hence
31:53
Speaker 1: that kind of leads me to my next point, which
31:55
Speaker 1: leads to my great grandma, who is one generation removed
31:59
Speaker 1: from slavey Bona nineteen o six. Um taught me everything
32:04
Speaker 1: I know about fishing, but taught me the history of
32:06
Speaker 1: it as well. Wow, that's been amazing so then you
32:10
Speaker 1: got into the COVID run and what did you did?
32:12
Speaker 1: Did did COVID shut down the fishing turn up the
32:15
Speaker 1: fishing circuit? It actually didn't because here's the thing, Roshaun,
32:20
Speaker 1: no one had anything else to do and could not
32:23
Speaker 1: do anything else but go outside, and fishing was one
32:27
Speaker 1: of the things. As a matter of fact, the fishing
32:29
Speaker 1: industry exploded. They couldn't keep anything on the shelves. Although
32:33
Speaker 1: everything was back ordered, people were fishing. More boats and
32:37
Speaker 1: engines were bought, and even to this day the market
32:41
Speaker 1: is oversaturated with boats and people still trying to get
32:44
Speaker 1: boats engines that are back ordered. Because the remedy or
32:49
Speaker 1: or at the time was just fishing. That's all we
32:52
Speaker 1: can do and be safe and still be COVID friendly
32:56
Speaker 1: outside because you're six ft apart the whole nine yards
33:00
Speaker 1: and uh, that was the only thing to do. So
33:02
Speaker 1: a lot of folks there was over a million new
33:05
Speaker 1: license issued just because of fishing UM and folks who
33:11
Speaker 1: have never tried it, they decided to give it a try,
33:13
Speaker 1: and then you got a certain percentage of folks it's
33:15
Speaker 1: stuck around um to continue to fishing because they realized
33:20
Speaker 1: it's something that I missed and I should have been doing.
33:22
Speaker 1: And that's the thing about COVID. It was eliminated that
33:25
Speaker 1: we were all able to make from the limit of COVID.
33:29
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is people were finding
33:32
Speaker 1: things that they thought they couldn't do. People were writing,
33:35
Speaker 1: more books were written, people were fishing more, people were
33:38
Speaker 1: enjoying things that they didn't do previously because they had
33:41
Speaker 1: to do it. When you're forced to do something, it's
33:43
Speaker 1: amazing what the human spirit can do. So gentlemen, why
33:47
Speaker 1: do you have to have a license to fish? Well,
33:51
Speaker 1: that's a good question. And my dad asked me that
33:53
Speaker 1: question all the time, and I always rectify that you
33:56
Speaker 1: gotta throw something back. Please, you can't do this to me.
34:00
Speaker 1: What the reason is is because if you did not allow,
34:02
Speaker 1: or if you did not teach people how to rationalize
34:06
Speaker 1: or or have conservation with fish, people will take as
34:12
Speaker 1: many as they could. I have seen times or people
34:14
Speaker 1: have caught thirty forty fifty fish for one reason, and
34:19
Speaker 1: a lot of times just for their own ego to say,
34:21
Speaker 1: look what I called. Here's a picture of all the
34:22
Speaker 1: fish that I caught. But if you did that and
34:24
Speaker 1: multiplied it times, the people that fish in the world.
34:29
Speaker 1: Can you imagine if we would have any resources left.
34:33
Speaker 1: There's places in other countries that they don't have the
34:36
Speaker 1: same stipulations we have, where they actually you know, take
34:42
Speaker 1: advantage to a point where almost extinct some species of fish.
34:47
Speaker 1: So if we don't do that and learn to you know,
34:49
Speaker 1: help reproduce the fish, then ultimately our kids kids can
34:54
Speaker 1: enjoy the thing we love called fishing. So basically, by
34:57
Speaker 1: getting the license, it allows you to fish, but fish
35:01
Speaker 1: with uh with some type of conservation in mind. You
35:05
Speaker 1: just can't just load up all the fish and walk
35:08
Speaker 1: out of there. Are because because somebody can come by
35:10
Speaker 1: and find you if you don't have a license or
35:13
Speaker 1: stop you from fishing if you don't have a license, correct,
35:16
Speaker 1: that is correct. As a matter of fact. That even
35:18
Speaker 1: goes further than that. Sometimes when you if you have
35:21
Speaker 1: a boat and you take too many fish, they have
35:25
Speaker 1: the ability to take your boat, to take your tackle everything.
35:31
Speaker 1: That's how important it is for you to know what
35:33
Speaker 1: you're doing when you go out and fish. Even if
35:35
Speaker 1: you're fishing on the bank, people say, well, I'm not
35:37
Speaker 1: I'm fishing on the bank. I don't need a license.
35:39
Speaker 1: You need a license as well. And senior citizens typically
35:43
Speaker 1: don't need a license, but always check your state and
35:47
Speaker 1: then sometimes the adolescents may be less than ten or
35:50
Speaker 1: something to that effect. But every state is different, so
35:53
Speaker 1: you always got to check and make sure. I tend
35:55
Speaker 1: to believe to keep a lifetime license, so I never
35:58
Speaker 1: have to worry about it unless I'm going to another state.
36:01
Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, the worst feeling
36:03
Speaker 1: in the world that you'll never forget is to have
36:07
Speaker 1: an officer come and take your court or sometimes even
36:12
Speaker 1: take all your equipment, which that stuff can be expensive,
36:15
Speaker 1: or he can take you to jet I'm speaking to
36:17
Speaker 1: Ronney Green here is the charismatic host of A Fishing
36:20
Speaker 1: Story with Ronnie Green. That's show us one of the
36:23
Speaker 1: thirty two Awards and as as well as a very
36:26
Speaker 1: elite uh Telly Awards for the quality of the show,
36:30
Speaker 1: the creativity to show, the program of the show. And
36:33
Speaker 1: when you're when you're an African American and you venture
36:35
Speaker 1: out into the world like I worked for IBM, so
36:38
Speaker 1: I know that was a world where you know, you
36:40
Speaker 1: look around, it's not a world that's populated with not
36:42
Speaker 1: an African Americans like any corporate job is. But you
36:46
Speaker 1: can be treated different. People can feel that you're unique,
36:49
Speaker 1: that you are able to be imployed in that particular fashion.
36:53
Speaker 1: What is this, what's going on? When did you finally
36:55
Speaker 1: get comfortable out there, Ronnie, being a very unique member
36:59
Speaker 1: of very white group, I would say probably when I
37:05
Speaker 1: was bass fishing. So you have different styles of fishing.
37:09
Speaker 1: There's saltwater fishing, which is out in the ocean, and
37:12
Speaker 1: then there's freshwater fishing, which is bass fishing. And bass
37:15
Speaker 1: fishing is a very unique skill set because if you're
37:19
Speaker 1: bass fishing, most of the time you're fishing with artificial baits.
37:22
Speaker 1: And why is that important? Because if you have an
37:24
Speaker 1: artificial bait versus a live bait, fish prefer the filet
37:27
Speaker 1: MiG young versus the imitation. So it takes a very
37:31
Speaker 1: unique skilled fisherman to imitate a live bait to force
37:35
Speaker 1: a bass to eat some of that. And bass fishing
37:37
Speaker 1: rules the industry. So I felt like, if I can
37:40
Speaker 1: actually be successful in what rules the industry, bass fishing,
37:44
Speaker 1: by fishing bass tournaments, then I think, uh, it can
37:49
Speaker 1: turned into something big, not knowing that it would. So
37:53
Speaker 1: how that happened was because of I spent more time
37:57
Speaker 1: fishing after I lost my mother surprise and lea. You know,
38:01
Speaker 1: we never expected it, and ultimately it was the same.
38:05
Speaker 1: It's like the COVID situation. You were forced in a
38:07
Speaker 1: position where you had to figure out how to get therapy.
38:12
Speaker 1: My therapy at the time fishing every single day after
38:15
Speaker 1: losing my mother was fishing. I had time to think,
38:19
Speaker 1: had time to reflect, had time to grieve, had a
38:23
Speaker 1: lot of time because I was out there by myself fishing.
38:26
Speaker 1: I lived on the lake at the time every single day,
38:29
Speaker 1: ten twelve hours, sometimes not eating, just drinking a lot
38:32
Speaker 1: of fluids, thinking about fishing. And ultimately, because of that,
38:37
Speaker 1: it turned into a skill set that actually took a
38:41
Speaker 1: quantum leap and started winning tournaments, not knowing that the
38:44
Speaker 1: grieving process was helping me become more proficient at as
38:48
Speaker 1: a professional fisherman. And then I started getting sponsors because
38:50
Speaker 1: I was winning, and then I started to believe that
38:53
Speaker 1: I can really do this. Then I started traveling around
38:55
Speaker 1: the country fishing these big tournaments with some of the
38:57
Speaker 1: best in the entire world. And when you can actually
39:00
Speaker 1: win and get a check doing that, and then folks
39:03
Speaker 1: sponsors noticed you, you feel like maybe I can do
39:06
Speaker 1: this and ultimately it turned into something else. The TV
39:10
Speaker 1: side came about because of the nature in which that
39:14
Speaker 1: I communicated on stage in a charismatic manner. I would
39:18
Speaker 1: actually leave a little inspirational an adult. And then also, uh,
39:23
Speaker 1: just give someone something positive to to talk about when
39:26
Speaker 1: most people would get on the stage and to talk
39:28
Speaker 1: about all the sponsors and everybody wants something positive they
39:31
Speaker 1: can hang onto and possibly marinate on later on. And
39:35
Speaker 1: ultimately I did. And then a producer came up to
39:38
Speaker 1: me and said, I think you could make a fantastic
39:40
Speaker 1: TV host and the rest of history. Wow, now you
39:43
Speaker 1: have like I go back as a kid. You know,
39:45
Speaker 1: I was on the cane with the little court putting
39:48
Speaker 1: out there, you know, the little Mark Twain moment. You
39:50
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, just watching a little bass. I
39:52
Speaker 1: think I was purchased what I was really catching all
39:55
Speaker 1: the time. So let's let's go. Let's go through this
39:57
Speaker 1: an education process. Because you said bash is the popular
40:01
Speaker 1: popular circuit tournament. They have small wall fash and large mouthpath.
40:05
Speaker 1: I've called both. Then I've called catfish, which is you
40:10
Speaker 1: gotta have gloves with them bad boys, because they will
40:12
Speaker 1: cut you. They will cut you. Now and then you
40:14
Speaker 1: have the perch, and you have trout. I've caught all
40:17
Speaker 1: these things, so let's let's go. What I call the
40:20
Speaker 1: fish that that that that scares me, that that I
40:23
Speaker 1: have been cut grabbing this fish incorrectly is the catfish.
40:29
Speaker 1: What makes the catfish such an interesting is the delicacy
40:32
Speaker 1: on plates and restaurants, specially in the South. What makes
40:35
Speaker 1: you such an interesting and how you go about catching
40:38
Speaker 1: a catfish. You gotta understand the catfish a very slimy fish.
40:42
Speaker 1: You don't see scales, So scales is one thing, and
40:45
Speaker 1: it's also in a sense of scavenger, so it will
40:49
Speaker 1: eat any and everything on the bottom of the lake.
40:52
Speaker 1: So it also has on each side, as if I
40:56
Speaker 1: was a catfish, coming out of each side by its
41:00
Speaker 1: uh gills, bones right, that has a little anecdota poison.
41:05
Speaker 1: And then you have one coming out the back. So
41:07
Speaker 1: when you grab it, most of the time, if this
41:10
Speaker 1: is a catfish, you want to grab it from the
41:12
Speaker 1: front under knee those storms, and then you never grab
41:18
Speaker 1: it from the back because the back is where that
41:21
Speaker 1: other thorn is and you hold onto it pretty tight.
41:23
Speaker 1: There's a bone there as well. If you hold on
41:26
Speaker 1: pretty tight, it won't slip, because that's the other thing.
41:29
Speaker 1: Usually when it slips, it'll fall. It hits your toe
41:33
Speaker 1: and you'll never forget it, but you never do it again.
41:37
Speaker 1: And I've been there, my great grandmother and my daddy. Boy,
41:40
Speaker 1: what'd you do it? At the end of the day.
41:44
Speaker 1: There was some tough lessons learned, but you'll never forget
41:47
Speaker 1: it because that was our staple of fish growing up, catfish,
41:51
Speaker 1: my great grandmother, my dad, Friday Night's church while we
41:54
Speaker 1: eat so much catfish. I found out his gavenge, Like
41:58
Speaker 1: I said, that was out there, and I cut my
42:01
Speaker 1: hand up a many of the day trying to trying
42:03
Speaker 1: to crown though, because as a kid, you don't really
42:05
Speaker 1: know and you don't remember the lesson learned previously, and
42:09
Speaker 1: you get cut up enough by that cat for you
42:11
Speaker 1: either gonna fear it or you're gonna learn how to
42:13
Speaker 1: pick it up now and then if then perch, because
42:16
Speaker 1: I was always on the bank fishing with my little
42:18
Speaker 1: cork perch. Explain to people what exacklys perch, so purchase
42:22
Speaker 1: related to the bass, and we call them bluegill. They're
42:25
Speaker 1: also called sheryl crackers. So there's bluegills and they're shell crackers,
42:29
Speaker 1: and some of them call them ready or there's so
42:31
Speaker 1: many different nicknames for fish there. The official name is
42:34
Speaker 1: a bluegill, and they call them perch as well. And
42:37
Speaker 1: they are also a good fish for bass to eat.
42:41
Speaker 1: So they're about a pan size and the pan fish
42:44
Speaker 1: is usually the size of your hid. There's so good
42:49
Speaker 1: scare them off. Now you gotta scale them off. Now
42:51
Speaker 1: you gotta get that knife and knock all those scales
42:53
Speaker 1: off that. Yeah, but I use you for la professor,
42:59
Speaker 1: I have a little black They don't believe. We'll be
43:06
Speaker 1: right back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald.
43:14
Speaker 1: Now let's return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. I.
43:20
Speaker 1: I'm talking to Rodney Green, one of my good dear friends,
43:23
Speaker 1: and the business that is unique because it's a rarity
43:26
Speaker 1: to a talented African American fisherman. He has a popular
43:29
Speaker 1: show called A Fishing Story with Running Green that airs
43:32
Speaker 1: from all the Roku, the dish, the direct TV, all
43:37
Speaker 1: the all the show networks that you can stream on
43:40
Speaker 1: is available to get his show and it's before I
43:43
Speaker 1: don't want I want to let everybody know tell us
43:45
Speaker 1: exactly what a fishing story is, and then I'm gonna
43:48
Speaker 1: get back to talking about the small mouth, bass, law
43:50
Speaker 1: mouth path and the trout. So a fishing story is
43:54
Speaker 1: a show that walks people through a personal life of
43:58
Speaker 1: a person through the the efficient so the highs and
44:02
Speaker 1: lows of life, and we've all had it. And at
44:05
Speaker 1: the end of the day we see the highs and
44:07
Speaker 1: lows and see how people have persevered, because it's always
44:11
Speaker 1: a very unique thing to see someone that have gone
44:14
Speaker 1: through the same thing you've gone through and ultimately have
44:17
Speaker 1: come out on top. And we we highlight people that
44:21
Speaker 1: have gone through tremendous life experiences on the fishing story.
44:25
Speaker 1: And that's really important that people understand the motivation behind relaxing. Relaxing.
44:29
Speaker 1: You know, we we we live such a stress life.
44:32
Speaker 1: And I you know you've been by my house. I
44:34
Speaker 1: have a little pond, five acre parm behind my property
44:38
Speaker 1: and that relaxes me, Ronnie. And when our care high
44:41
Speaker 1: intensity is out there, I get there and I just
44:44
Speaker 1: see that water, just the rippling. I just see some
44:47
Speaker 1: minnots out there, and now it's to the water swirled
44:50
Speaker 1: either fishing salt me or frog in salt me they
44:52
Speaker 1: went the other direction that see these geese landing and
44:56
Speaker 1: it just really relaxing. That is such a great, uh
45:00
Speaker 1: therapeutic moment out there for you. It's something you would
45:04
Speaker 1: recommend the people to experience on a regular basis. Absolutely,
45:08
Speaker 1: ras Sean, I think it's it's something about we have
45:11
Speaker 1: a kinder shift to water, and nobody can fully understand
45:15
Speaker 1: it and explain it. But at the end of the day,
45:17
Speaker 1: when we are around water and we go on vacation,
45:20
Speaker 1: even if just looking at water as something about it,
45:23
Speaker 1: because if you think about it, not to get too deep,
45:25
Speaker 1: but our body is made up of majority of water.
45:28
Speaker 1: So it's a kindred ship because you're relating to something
45:31
Speaker 1: that is you're developed by your body is made up of.
45:34
Speaker 1: So I don't understand it totally, but at the end
45:37
Speaker 1: of the day, it has a therapeutic value that you
45:39
Speaker 1: can never put a price on. Yes, a fishing store
45:42
Speaker 1: hosted by Running Green is all. You can catch it
45:44
Speaker 1: on the Outdoor Channel, World Fishing Network, NBC Sports Bay
45:48
Speaker 1: Area and other Armed Forces networkers were all it's a
45:52
Speaker 1: very popular show that really it takes you back. Like
45:56
Speaker 1: I said when I say came came poll Fish in
46:00
Speaker 1: with the court Mark Twain and you know exactly where
46:02
Speaker 1: I was at right there. You know, that's a classic moment.
46:05
Speaker 1: Now let's go to which I consider the one of
46:07
Speaker 1: the prettiest fish is trout trout fishing, and then explain
46:12
Speaker 1: how you get that, and then we're gonna go to
46:14
Speaker 1: large mall baths and the small mall bass. Yes there,
46:18
Speaker 1: So trout is that's another very unique, beautiful species. There
46:22
Speaker 1: is a saltwater trout what we call the ocean trout,
46:25
Speaker 1: and then you have the fresh water trout found and
46:28
Speaker 1: typically streams, so the beautiful streams where you see real
46:32
Speaker 1: shallow clear water and most of the time the best
46:35
Speaker 1: way to catch a trout of that magnitude is through
46:39
Speaker 1: fly fishing. So that's another very unique skill set of
46:42
Speaker 1: fishing because you're using a mainline and you see the
46:46
Speaker 1: guys just whipping it back and forth, and that is
46:49
Speaker 1: so relaxing because you're around a lot of mountains. Typically
46:53
Speaker 1: you're around a lot of We were just in uh
46:56
Speaker 1: Missouri up Bass Throw Shops Um doing a show with
47:00
Speaker 1: Johnny Morris, and one of the things we did was
47:01
Speaker 1: fly fishing, and it is so amazing to catch a
47:07
Speaker 1: fish on such a small little fly that they can
47:10
Speaker 1: see hit the water with all this moving water, and
47:13
Speaker 1: as soon as it comes by them, they hit it.
47:15
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful thing. That's that's. That's that's so just
47:18
Speaker 1: constantly just feed it, just constantly just feeding into a
47:21
Speaker 1: certain area. That's that's. That's amazing. Now let's let's go
47:24
Speaker 1: to the small mouth bass, which I've caught a large
47:27
Speaker 1: mouth bass. What is the difference between the two and
47:32
Speaker 1: what makes them such a great are popular circuit fish.
47:37
Speaker 1: They're both bass um in the bass family. But to
47:40
Speaker 1: think about a small mouth bass, it lives in northern
47:44
Speaker 1: cooler climates anywhere from northern Alabama on up north. And
47:50
Speaker 1: that is probably poundful pound the toughest fish in freshwater. Uh.
47:56
Speaker 1: You can see they have a larger tail than what
47:58
Speaker 1: a large mouth asses. And then they have a smaller mouth,
48:02
Speaker 1: much smaller mouth, but big girthy body. So they have
48:07
Speaker 1: a lot of stealth um and lots of power. And
48:11
Speaker 1: you will know when you have one on the fight
48:13
Speaker 1: of your life. Man, that is something else. And of
48:16
Speaker 1: course everybody's favorite, the large mouth bast you know, I
48:21
Speaker 1: love them plus, yes, sir, And the reason is that
48:30
Speaker 1: is the most I guess opportunists type predator. In fresh water,
48:36
Speaker 1: you can have little baby ducks and I have seen
48:38
Speaker 1: it in action, unfortunately, going along with their mother. All
48:42
Speaker 1: of a sudden, one of those just disappear because the
48:45
Speaker 1: bast will hit them on top and take them under.
48:47
Speaker 1: Their mouth is so large. Anything they think they can
48:50
Speaker 1: get their mouth around, they will take it down. I
48:53
Speaker 1: have seen them take baby rabbits that have fallen in
48:56
Speaker 1: the water. I have seen bast take anything that they
48:59
Speaker 1: think they're out. Frogs are a favorite of them, and
49:02
Speaker 1: of course baitfish so and that's what's so intriguing about
49:05
Speaker 1: us chasing that green fish, because you can trick them
49:08
Speaker 1: on top with a top water babe up and hit
49:11
Speaker 1: it and it's a beautiful explosion. It's amazing fight. Or
49:15
Speaker 1: you can catch them on a crank bay. You can
49:17
Speaker 1: catch some all sorts of ways. But whatever it is,
49:19
Speaker 1: you can trigger those later lines on the side of
49:22
Speaker 1: his body, her body. And I'll tell you what that thing.
49:26
Speaker 1: When it feels the vibration, it will turn on it
49:29
Speaker 1: and before you know it, it'll be on on your line.
49:33
Speaker 1: And the thing is fast. People don't realize, why is
49:35
Speaker 1: this person really so fast? Across the top. They can
49:37
Speaker 1: go twelve miles an hour. That's a fast fits so
49:44
Speaker 1: and that's probably why we chase that green monster. And
49:46
Speaker 1: it's like a thirteen billion dollar industry just chasing that
49:51
Speaker 1: green fish. So I I gotta ask you what people
49:55
Speaker 1: I want to be like Mr Rodney Green? How does
49:57
Speaker 1: one get into this business? It is not an overnight process,
50:01
Speaker 1: but how does one start? It's a very tricky thing
50:05
Speaker 1: and so there is no guarantees. You have to be
50:08
Speaker 1: very careful. I would always say that makes sure you
50:10
Speaker 1: have your education before you do anything, so you have
50:13
Speaker 1: a fallback plan. Um. But the way it typically works
50:16
Speaker 1: is to fish tournaments, local tournaments. There used to be
50:20
Speaker 1: salt water tournaments, but they only have those larger massive
50:24
Speaker 1: tournaments like Selfish and that's teams that have been together
50:27
Speaker 1: for many years. But on the baths side, you can
50:29
Speaker 1: fish your local local tournaments and what is called the
50:33
Speaker 1: Weekend Series a B A BFLS or even the Bass Master,
50:38
Speaker 1: which is what I still continue to fish and keep
50:41
Speaker 1: my skills up. So there are several ways to join
50:44
Speaker 1: it and and then you move up in the ranks
50:47
Speaker 1: based on how you finish, and you keep fishing and
50:50
Speaker 1: some people move up and they don't want to leave.
50:53
Speaker 1: They just do it consistently. It's a tough road. You're
50:56
Speaker 1: on the road a lot. You have a family, you're
50:58
Speaker 1: not gonna see them a lot. Similar to a military
51:01
Speaker 1: style of lifestyle. So there's a lot you must give
51:04
Speaker 1: up and you must be committed because there's gonna be
51:06
Speaker 1: some days you literally don't catch fish. That's the nature fishing,
51:10
Speaker 1: and that's what we love it because at the end
51:12
Speaker 1: of the day you might get punched down and you know,
51:15
Speaker 1: knocked out by the bass and you come back the
51:17
Speaker 1: next day and U t ko that fish. You know
51:21
Speaker 1: before you knew it, you know, the first cast and
51:22
Speaker 1: that's why we love it. Well, if you've had some
51:25
Speaker 1: of my friends on the show, Okay, I will miss
51:28
Speaker 1: if I left this show, because I'm telling everybody you
51:31
Speaker 1: know me running, I got brill you don't an now
51:37
Speaker 1: now been by my house, fixed and breakfast. He caught
51:40
Speaker 1: fishing my backyard. Then Laverlle Crawford, he'd been on the show.
51:46
Speaker 1: Nephew Timm and he'd been on the show. All these
51:49
Speaker 1: people been on the shows every shot McDonald. But I
51:52
Speaker 1: will not be a good host to talk about the
51:54
Speaker 1: experience that they had on your show, lit Vere Crawford.
51:58
Speaker 1: We know it is a in the comedy term is
52:00
Speaker 1: a food, Nephew, Tommy, is a food. Talk about the experience.
52:06
Speaker 1: I'm fishing with these two gentlemen. They're very gifted in
52:09
Speaker 1: their craft. Now you got them in your craft. Yes,
52:13
Speaker 1: it's amazing because they are very good fishermen as well.
52:17
Speaker 1: The Vell Crafford loves his bass fishing. I don't know
52:20
Speaker 1: if people look at his social media, but if you
52:22
Speaker 1: ever peek at his Instagram, there's gonna be a bass
52:25
Speaker 1: showing up somewhere. He's gonna be in a city. He'll
52:28
Speaker 1: find a little pond and have a little rod, and
52:31
Speaker 1: he will find a pond and catch him some fish.
52:34
Speaker 1: Hold it up like, Hey, I'm in Ohio, I'm over
52:37
Speaker 1: here at this club and I'm gon actually catching fish
52:39
Speaker 1: around the corner. Is a person that loves and has
52:43
Speaker 1: a passion to fish. You didn't even know that. I
52:46
Speaker 1: did not know that. Yes, And then, uh, Nephew, Tommy,
52:51
Speaker 1: you know, I'm still waiting to pranking one day on fishing.
52:54
Speaker 1: But Willie fishing together probably pretty quicken. We talked yesterday
52:59
Speaker 1: and uh, he's amazing fisherman. He loves inshore. We did
53:03
Speaker 1: an off shore shoot and I'll tell you what he
53:06
Speaker 1: We had it cooked on the spot and it was amazing.
53:11
Speaker 1: So we had a chef on the boat and it
53:13
Speaker 1: was incredible. And of course one of my closest friends
53:15
Speaker 1: is aren'ts J. That is a full and a half J.
53:20
Speaker 1: That's way too much energy to be on the boat,
53:23
Speaker 1: way too much energy. So he has and there is
53:29
Speaker 1: a little anecdote there, there's a little trip. He has
53:32
Speaker 1: actually helped me and home my offshore saltwater fishing skills.
53:37
Speaker 1: So you're always learning something new and fishing and you'll
53:40
Speaker 1: never master the fishing game totally because there's so many
53:44
Speaker 1: different ways to catch finish. But he actually taught me
53:47
Speaker 1: a lot about off shore fishing. As a matter of fact,
53:49
Speaker 1: I'll be with him Monday with full or four team gentlemen,
53:55
Speaker 1: A bunch of us brothers get together man and we
53:58
Speaker 1: do this annual trip is fishing fund and fellowship on
54:01
Speaker 1: a hundred thirty five ft y'all and we have a
54:04
Speaker 1: chef and U. All we do is fish and of
54:07
Speaker 1: course we're gonna climb absolutely that that's the m O
54:11
Speaker 1: and he's a good athlete too, and as well as
54:13
Speaker 1: if you talk as a farmer track star as well.
54:16
Speaker 1: So so you had a lot of kinship out there
54:18
Speaker 1: with these jumpmen. But again, a fishing story with Rodney
54:21
Speaker 1: Green Runne is always like a reminisce. I hope when
54:24
Speaker 1: I interview man, it's like I just it's just a
54:27
Speaker 1: natural storytelling conversation. We have it on my show because
54:30
Speaker 1: you're motivating. You are special, because you're you're you're an
54:34
Speaker 1: effective talent, well known talent or star in an area
54:39
Speaker 1: that not many people through our color are stars. So
54:42
Speaker 1: that makes you unique and special. Don't never forget that
54:45
Speaker 1: and keep understanding that when you come on my show,
54:47
Speaker 1: you're just a powerful motivational tool that I use to
54:50
Speaker 1: encourage others to say you can do that too. Thank
54:53
Speaker 1: you for coming on Money Making Conversations master Class. Thank
54:56
Speaker 1: you for Sean. I appreciate it so much. I always
54:59
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55:02
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55:05
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55:39
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55:42
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55:46
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55:49
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55:52
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55:56
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55:59
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