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New Data Proves False Economic Numbers Under Biden plus an Exclusive w Astronaut Sunita Williams · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: I want you to listen very carefully to the numbers
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Speaker 1: I'm about to give you, and I want you to
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Speaker 1: understand just how big the lies were to act like
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Speaker 1: the economy actually wasn't in terrible shape when Democrats were
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Speaker 1: in charge and they were running for reelection, they just
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Speaker 1: made up hundreds of thousands of jobs. We just got
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Speaker 1: these new numbers in that there was almost a million,
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Speaker 1: nine hundred eleven thousand fewer jobs were created between April
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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four and March of twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 2: The Bureau of Labor Statistics is saying that isn't just
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Speaker 2: a revision.
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Speaker 1: That is a revision that is on a level that
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Speaker 1: clearly is straight up fraud.
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Speaker 2: You don't get these numbers this wrong.
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Speaker 1: Look at polling when they have a margin of air
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Speaker 1: of plus or minus three percent, or if it's a
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Speaker 1: bad poll four percent, if it's a horrific poll five percent.
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Speaker 1: You're telling me the federal government sucks so bad at
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Speaker 1: counting jobs same people, by the way, they're supposed to
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Speaker 1: be collecting taxes on these jobs, that they got it
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Speaker 1: wrong by nine hundred eleven thousand jobs.
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Speaker 2: The answer is obviously no.
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Speaker 1: What does this mean It means the labor market was weak,
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Speaker 1: extremely weak, well before the tariffs kicked in. The job
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Speaker 1: market was frozen in twenty twenty four as well. In fact,
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Speaker 1: the average job gains revision showed just one hundred and
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Speaker 1: forty seven thousand jobs per month. That is an average
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Speaker 1: job gain after revisions of seventy one thousand a month. Now,
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Speaker 1: this annual quote revision process is normal. What's not normal
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Speaker 1: is how big they're missing these numbers. The Bureau of
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Speaker 1: Labor Statistics does it every year, and they apparently just
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Speaker 1: lie when Democrats are in office.
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Speaker 2: I'll give you example.
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Speaker 1: Last August, right in the heat of the election, the
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Speaker 1: Bureau of Labor Statistics reported negative eight hundred eighteen thousand
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Speaker 1: fewer jobs. Yes, these were large, massive corruption revisions, is
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Speaker 1: how I describe it.
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Speaker 2: Why did this happen?
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Speaker 1: It happened because they wanted to say the economy isn't
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Speaker 1: as bad as it really was when Joe Biden was
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Speaker 1: running for reelection. So the takeaway, and this is what
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Speaker 1: I want you to really understand. Number One, Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: clearly inherited a massive mess. It is a absolute scandal
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Speaker 1: of gigantic proportions that our government was lying to the
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Speaker 1: American people, trying to make you feel like things are
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Speaker 1: better than they actually are. Caroline Levitt, the White House
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Speaker 1: pre Secretary, said it this way.
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Speaker 2: Quote.
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Speaker 1: Today, the Bureau of Labor Stistics released the largest downward
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Speaker 1: revision on record in history. I'm going to say that again,
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Speaker 1: the Bureau of Labor Statistics released the largest downward revision
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Speaker 1: on record ever. Why did this happen because they wanted
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Speaker 1: right now. Carolin Levitt said it provides more understanding online.
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Speaker 1: President Donald Trump took action to address concerns about reporting
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Speaker 1: accuracy at the Bureau, with Levitt saying it proves that
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Speaker 1: President Trump was right. Biden's economy was a disaster, and
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Speaker 1: the Bureau of Labor Statistics is straight up broken. The
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Speaker 1: White House added quote, this is exactly why we need
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Speaker 1: new leadership to restore trust and confidence in the data
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Speaker 1: on behalf of the financial markets, on behalf of businesses, policymakers,
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Speaker 1: and families that rely on this data to make major
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Speaker 1: decisions now. The White House on August first released a
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Speaker 1: list of errors and missions by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
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Speaker 2: By the way, this is like their entire job, which.
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Speaker 1: Is accused of inaccuracies and also now in competency. And
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Speaker 1: the White House also pointing a finger at Commissioner Erica
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Speaker 1: Mickin Tarfer, who was appointed to the role by former
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Speaker 1: President Joe Biden. Among those examples was not only them
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Speaker 1: issuing another massive revision of these jobs, more than eight
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Speaker 1: hundred thousand were overestimated and what was the second largest
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Speaker 1: downward revision for the.
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Speaker 2: BLS as well. And so this means two in a row.
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Speaker 1: Okay, two years in a row they were lying to
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Speaker 1: you about how bad the numbers were, or they were
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Speaker 1: just making up literally almost two million jobs that didn't exist.
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Speaker 2: Now, Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: Fired Erica just hours after the release of the July
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Speaker 1: jobs report, which showed weaker than expected job growth and
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Speaker 1: significant downward revisions for May and June. That's when the
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Speaker 1: left was like, you can't do this as a nonpartisan Well,
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Speaker 1: it is partisan. Clearly it was because she created two
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Speaker 1: million jobs out of thin air to help Joe Biden
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Speaker 1: and the Democrats. The Labor Secretary, by the way, posting
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday that the negative drop of numbers from the
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Speaker 1: Bureau of Labor Statistics reveals a quote problem, saying today's
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Speaker 1: massive downward revision gives the American people even more reason
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Speaker 1: to doubt the integrity of data being published by our government.
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Speaker 1: It's imperative for the data to remain accurate, impartial, and
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Speaker 1: never altered for political gain. Now, within two weeks of
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Speaker 1: firing the individual who's overseeing this insanity, Trump also named
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Speaker 1: Heritage Foundation chief economists and Tony to lead the bureau.
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Speaker 1: His nomination is also waiting Senate confirmation, something that I
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Speaker 1: think clearly should be done as soon as possible. Which
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Speaker 1: brings me to Steven Moore. He's former Trump campaign senior
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Speaker 1: economic advisor. You may know him from Fox News and
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Speaker 1: Fox Business. I want you to hear what he had
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Speaker 1: to say about the far fewer jobs added than expected
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Speaker 1: in August, and also when he says about the job
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Speaker 1: report revisions in general.
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Speaker 3: Did the week optimistic We're going to see a rate
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Speaker 3: cut next week? After we got the key jobs report
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Speaker 3: for August, the first one since President Trump fired the
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Speaker 3: commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics last month, there
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Speaker 3: were questions over the accuracy of the data, the report
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Speaker 3: showing much fewer jobs out in August than expected, only
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Speaker 3: twenty two thousand versus the estimate of seventy five thousand,
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Speaker 3: and the unemployment rate now at its highest level since
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Speaker 3: October of twenty twenty one, we also got revisions showing
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Speaker 3: twenty one thousand fewer jobs created in June and July
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Speaker 3: than previously reported.
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Speaker 2: For more on this and what.
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Speaker 3: It means for the Fed's next move, I'm joining my
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Speaker 3: committee to Unleashed Prosperity co founder Steve Moore. Steve, it's
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Speaker 3: great to see you talk to me about your thoughts
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Speaker 3: on this job's report. Pretty big miss on the.
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Speaker 4: Estimate, well, sure wise, but you know, it's interesting. I
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Speaker 4: think one of the takeaways from this report is how
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Speaker 4: increasingly unreliable these.
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Speaker 2: Jobs numbers are.
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Speaker 4: And you know, we talked you and I and and
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Speaker 4: Maria talk about this every first Friday of every month,
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Speaker 4: and we're seeing these gyrations in the numbers. And also
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Speaker 4: one of the things that hasn't been really widely reported
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Speaker 4: is that there's two surveys. One survey had a big
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Speaker 4: increase in jobs by I think I don't remember the
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Speaker 4: exact number, close to three hundred thousand, whereas the one
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Speaker 4: that's reported the headline number was what twenty eight thousand.
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Speaker 4: So we need to clean up these numbers, Cheryl, because
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Speaker 4: we make so many economic decisions based on these jobs numbers.
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Speaker 4: And I've been doing this for thirty five years. I think,
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Speaker 4: look at the re estimates. They keep changing the numbers
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Speaker 4: every month.
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Speaker 2: I would ask you.
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Speaker 1: Something, but by the way, you listen to what Steve
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Speaker 1: Moore says. He's saying, and it's true. So many people
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Speaker 1: make business decisions off of this data and information. By
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Speaker 1: the way, that's why this data is supposed to be
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Speaker 1: done by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. It's supposed to
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Speaker 1: be non biased in the way that it is done.
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Speaker 1: And we have a very clear problem here. There has
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Speaker 1: been a massive politicization of these numbers to try to
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Speaker 1: help out Democrats when they're running for office. They created
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Speaker 1: two million jobs that they knew weren't there, just so
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Speaker 1: the economy would look like it's better than it actually
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Speaker 1: is now. Also, I think the American people understood how
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Speaker 1: bad it was, and so they like that's why they
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Speaker 1: voted for Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: But it had to be really bad for them to
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Speaker 2: see it.
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Speaker 1: And so this is again one of the examples of
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Speaker 1: the massive lies of the left. And it's something that
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Speaker 1: absolutely should Okay, it's something that should never ever, ever
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Speaker 1: ever happen, period, full stop. This is why Trump is
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Speaker 1: going after this. This is why there needs to be reformed.
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Speaker 1: It is truly insane. No one helps. There were several
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Speaker 1: people around a young girl and they just leave her,
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Speaker 1: all of them walking away as a young girl is
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Speaker 1: dying after an individual who should have never been on
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Speaker 1: the streets, who was allowed out after multiple crimes, stabbed
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Speaker 1: the young woman who came to America for a better life.
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Speaker 1: After five stabs in the neck with a knife, she
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Speaker 1: slowly loses consciousness and collapse into a pool of blood,
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Speaker 1: terrified and alone. And what did the public do around her?
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Speaker 1: Nothing at all. Not a single person decided to help her.
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Speaker 1: They walked away. We also know the media is going
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Speaker 1: to do nothing to help her either. This after the
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Speaker 1: shocking video and a long wrap sheet of the accused
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Speaker 1: murderer come forward, mainstream media decided, we don't want to
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Speaker 1: talk about this.
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Speaker 2: We're gonna look the other way.
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Speaker 1: We're going to act like an African American man killing
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Speaker 1: a white girl will never be a issue that anyone
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Speaker 1: is talking about. Before this show, if you would have
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Speaker 1: gone to the AP's news search the Associated Press and
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Speaker 1: you put in the words George Floyd seventy four thousand,
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Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty one AP articles would come up
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Speaker 1: about George Floyd. If you put in the woman's name
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Speaker 1: who came to this country for a safe place, into
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Speaker 1: the Associated Press news search, you would have found zero
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Speaker 1: articles zero about her. Let's also talk about what the
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Speaker 1: difference is. For example, you had a white man that
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Speaker 1: restrained a black man acting erratic and aggressive, there was
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Speaker 1: national outrage, and he was charged with crimes in New
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Speaker 1: York City, went to trial. Thank goodness, he was let go.
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Speaker 1: But a black man brutally stabs a quiet white girl
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Speaker 1: minding her own business and there's no.
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Speaker 2: National outrage at all.
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Speaker 1: The question you have to ask yourself is why why
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Speaker 1: is it that there were zero AP stories on the
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Speaker 1: deadly attack, zero PBS stories on the deadly attack, zero
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Speaker 1: New York Times stories on the deadly attack, zero INPR
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Speaker 1: stories on the deadly attack, and zero Wall Street Journal
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Speaker 1: stories on the deadly attack. This doesn't include ABC, NBC,
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Speaker 1: and CBS, who have refused to talk about it until
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Speaker 1: they've been shamed by conservatives who are exposing it.
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Speaker 2: And that brings me to the White House.
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Speaker 1: White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt holding the press briefing,
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Speaker 1: and I want you to listen to what she said,
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Speaker 1: to the media.
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Speaker 2: Sitting in front of her today, I.
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Speaker 5: Would like to address the tragedy that has not received
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Speaker 5: nearly enough media attention, the brutal murder of Arena Zarutzka.
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Speaker 5: Here are the facts that many outlets have shamefully and
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Speaker 5: intention failed to report until President.
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Speaker 6: Trump drew attention to it.
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Speaker 5: On August twenty second, Arena Zarutzka was stabbed to death
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Speaker 5: on the rail system in Charlotte, North Carolina by a
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Speaker 5: savage career criminal. This is a public transportation system that
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Speaker 5: many in the area use every single day to go
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Speaker 5: to school and work. Arena was on the train that night,
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Speaker 5: traveling home from her job at a pizzeria, still in
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Speaker 5: uniform from her shift. This beautiful, innocent, twenty three year
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Speaker 5: old young woman was a Ukrainian refugee who had recently
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Speaker 5: fled her country for a chance at a safer life
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Speaker 5: and a promising new beginning here in the United States
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Speaker 5: of America. But tragically, a public transportation system in a
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Speaker 5: major American city was more dangerous than the active war
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Speaker 5: zone that she left. The President in the entire Winehouse
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Speaker 5: are praying for her family and friends during this unimaginably
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Speaker 5: difficult time.
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Speaker 6: But while we extend our thoughts in prayers.
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Speaker 5: We must also seek justice for this crime and call
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Speaker 5: it tention to this heinous incident. Surveillance video of the
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Speaker 5: killing was finally released to the public this past Friday.
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Speaker 5: It shows the alleged killer, to Carlos Brown Junior, pull
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Speaker 5: out a knife, get up from his seat behind arena,
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Speaker 5: and prepare to thrust a blade into her neck before
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Speaker 5: the released footage gets cut. This is pure evil on
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Speaker 5: full display. The most enraging and unacceptable part of this
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Speaker 5: story is that her death was entirely preventable. De Carlos
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Speaker 5: Brown never should have been on that train that night.
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Speaker 5: In fact, he should have been behind bars. De Carlos
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Speaker 5: Brown has been charged with crimes no fewer than fourteen
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Speaker 5: times dating back to twenty and eleven, including for armed robbery, felony, larceny,
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Speaker 5: breaking and entering in shoplifting. Brown had previously served five
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Speaker 5: years in prison for a robbery with a deadly weapon charge,
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Speaker 5: and he had also forfeited bonds three different times, twice
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Speaker 5: in twenty fourteen and once in twenty twenty three. By
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Speaker 5: all of this past documented criminal history. When Brown was
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Speaker 5: arrested yet again in January of this past year, a
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Speaker 5: Democrat judge who will I will add was a supporter,
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Speaker 5: a strong supporter of former Vice President Kamala Harris, released
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Speaker 5: this insane criminal once again without requiring him to pay
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Speaker 5: any bail. He simply had to sign a written promise
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Speaker 5: to return for his court hearing. Think about how crazy
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Speaker 5: it is to ask a career criminal, someone who by
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Speaker 5: definition repeatedly breaks the law, to just sign a written
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Speaker 5: promise and come back again another day.
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Speaker 6: This is madness.
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Speaker 5: This monster should have been locked up, and Arena should
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Speaker 5: still be alive.
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Speaker 6: But Democrat politicians.
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Speaker 5: Liberal judges, and weak prosecutors would rather virtue signal than
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Speaker 5: lock up criminals and protect their communities. And, perhaps most
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Speaker 5: shamefully of all, the majority of the media. Many outlets
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Speaker 5: in this room decided that her murder was not worth
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Speaker 5: reporting on originally because it does not fit a preferred near.
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Speaker 5: Many of the journalists in this room spilled plenty of
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Speaker 5: ink trying to smear Daniel Penny for defending a subway
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Speaker 5: car from a deranged lunatic in New York City, but
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Speaker 5: none of those same reporters lift a finger to write
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Speaker 5: stories about an actual murderer. Here is the truth that
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Speaker 5: every American must know too. Many innocent people across the
17:20
Speaker 5: country continue to pay the price of the failed experiment
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Speaker 5: known as cashless bail that has been championed by the
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Speaker 5: Democrat Party for years. All the way back in twenty twenty,
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Speaker 5: North Carolina's then Democrat Governor Roy Cooper established a so
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Speaker 5: called Task Force for Racial Equity and Criminal Justice.
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Speaker 6: Sounds nice, but it's not.
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Speaker 5: That task force was co authored by then Attorney General
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Speaker 5: and current Democrat Governor Josh Stein.
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Speaker 6: It recommended quote reimagining.
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Speaker 5: Public safety to quote promote diversion and other alternatives to arrest.
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Speaker 5: It also advised to de emphasize some felony crimes, prioritize
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Speaker 5: quote restorative justice, and eliminate cash bail. Democrats in North
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Speaker 5: Carolina in nationwide, are consumed with pushing a woke, soft
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Speaker 5: on crime agenda, no matter how many innocent Americans suffer
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Speaker 5: as a result. Instead of aggressively prosecuting and locking up
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Speaker 5: violent criminals, the Democrat backed cashless bail approach lets these
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Speaker 5: criminals roam free in our country to offend again and again.
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Speaker 5: These reckless policies have turned too many many of American
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Speaker 5: cities into hunting grounds for career criminals who mock our
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Speaker 5: justice system, drain law enforcement resources, and wreak havoc on
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Speaker 5: law abiding citizens.
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Speaker 6: Enough is enough, and that is.
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Speaker 5: Why President Trump is doing everything in his power by
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Speaker 5: taking action to undo these absurd policies. The President recently
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Speaker 5: signed a powerful executive order directing the AG to submit
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Speaker 5: a list of states in local jurisdictions with cashless bail
18:53
Speaker 5: policies so that the Trump administration may identify federal funds
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Speaker 5: that can are being provided to these states and can
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Speaker 5: potentially be suspended or terminated. President Jump firmly believes that
19:05
Speaker 5: to maintain order in public safety, we must incarcerate individuals
19:10
Speaker 5: who's pending criminal charges or criminal history demonstrate a clear
19:14
Speaker 5: ongoing risk to civil society. This is a common sense
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Speaker 5: and sensible approach that the vast majority of Americans agree with,
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Speaker 5: and it's time for the Democrat Party to get on
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Speaker 5: board with what is right. When these criminals are caught,
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Speaker 5: they must be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the
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Speaker 5: law and be sent to prison where they can no
19:32
Speaker 5: longer terrorize our streets. This is the mandate the American
19:35
Speaker 5: people delivered to President Trump, and it's a mandate he
19:38
Speaker 5: intends to fulfill.
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Speaker 2: Plain and simple, this was.
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Speaker 1: A crime that didn't fit the narrative that the media
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Speaker 1: wanted or the left. They didn't want to stand up
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Speaker 1: for a young girl, and they didn't want to have
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Speaker 1: to tell you about the crimes had already been committed
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Speaker 1: by this psychopath.
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Speaker 2: What do they say about this?
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Speaker 1: For example, over at CNN, they said, well, this is
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Speaker 1: a mental health issue and we don't need to sensationalize it.
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Speaker 1: They also said it's unfair to say that he targeted
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Speaker 1: the young woman because she was white, even though he
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Speaker 1: said afterwards, I got that white girl. Listen carefully to
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Speaker 1: how the media is spinning it.
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Speaker 7: You are mentally ill. You have a hard time knowing
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Speaker 7: that you are mentally ill. But also, I mean, people
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Speaker 7: like Charlie kirk fan they've been looking for opportunities to
20:27
Speaker 7: make this some sort of like reciprocal George Floyd situation.
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Speaker 7: And that's the part that I think he's almost giving
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Speaker 7: away the game. And it's sad to see a lot
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Speaker 7: of people going along with it.
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Speaker 8: You know, I need to say a couple of things.
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Speaker 8: One is, and what happened to that young woman was horrible,
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Speaker 8: and it's everybody's nightmare if you're in any public space, subway, whatever,
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Speaker 8: that something bad's gonna happen to you or somebody you
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Speaker 8: care about. So it does strike a chord. We don't
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Speaker 8: know why that man did what he did, and for
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Speaker 8: Charlie Kirk to say we know he did it how
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Speaker 8: she's white, when there's no evidence of that, it's just
21:02
Speaker 8: pure race mongering, hate mongering. It's wrong. Then he says
21:08
Speaker 8: that if something like that had happened the other way,
21:10
Speaker 8: there'd be sweeping changes and posed on society. Where is
21:14
Speaker 8: the George Floyd Policing Act. It didn't pass. Even when
21:18
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21:21
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21:24
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21:26
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21:29
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21:31
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21:34
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21:37
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21:40
Speaker 8: and put down a thousand dollars to let him out.
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21:45
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21:48
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21:50
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21:53
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21:55
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22:01
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22:09
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25:10
Speaker 1: may not remember as I say it, but when I
25:12
Speaker 1: remind you of who Sonney is, you're gonna be like, oh, yeah,
25:16
Speaker 1: how would you like to be in the US Navy.
25:18
Speaker 1: I'd be a captain then retire, And They'm like, all right,
25:20
Speaker 1: I'm not done. I'm just gonna, like, you know, become
25:23
Speaker 1: a NASA astronaut. That is exactly what happened to Sonny Williams.
25:27
Speaker 1: And you may remember she just spent a really long
25:29
Speaker 1: time in out of space.
25:31
Speaker 2: Like twice as long as she was supposed to be there. Sonny.
25:34
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on, and there is so much
25:37
Speaker 1: to talk about. I gotta ask you first though, when
25:40
Speaker 1: you were in space mentally in this last trip, you
25:43
Speaker 1: had a mindset, Hey, I'm gonna be there.
25:44
Speaker 2: I think it was what four to five months? Is
25:45
Speaker 2: that right?
25:47
Speaker 9: Actually when we first launched, these were telling us to
25:51
Speaker 9: be eight to ten days, but we knew we'd be
25:53
Speaker 9: there for a couple months, but didn't really anticipate nine months.
25:57
Speaker 1: So what is it like to recalib bread in your
26:00
Speaker 1: mind like you've you've done training. I don't know if
26:03
Speaker 1: there's any training that can prepare you for eight or
26:05
Speaker 1: nine days turning into a couple of weeks, maybe a
26:07
Speaker 1: couple of months, and then like, oh, yeah, it's going
26:09
Speaker 1: to be the majority of a year.
26:12
Speaker 9: Yeah. Ben, it's a great question, and you know, hopefully
26:15
Speaker 9: you know. Butch and I have provided a little bit
26:19
Speaker 9: of a roadmap for other astronauts as well as Frank Rubio,
26:23
Speaker 9: who before us actually spent an unexpected year in space,
26:27
Speaker 9: uh translating from six months. So I think it's just
26:31
Speaker 9: a matter of you know, mindset change. Okay, you know,
26:34
Speaker 9: this is what we train for us, what we have
26:37
Speaker 9: you know, done in the past in our time here
26:39
Speaker 9: at NASA, and we can continue on. Now. I'm not
26:42
Speaker 9: going to say my all my clothes were there and
26:45
Speaker 9: I had to borrow a couple pairs of shorts from
26:47
Speaker 9: a friend. But that's what we do. We help each
26:49
Speaker 9: other out when we're up there, and they were the
26:51
Speaker 9: folks on Crew eight were gracious enough to give us
26:54
Speaker 9: some of the really goodies of the food to make
26:56
Speaker 9: our stay great. And you know, that's what we do,
26:58
Speaker 9: We work together.
27:00
Speaker 2: How many people were up there when you're there for
27:02
Speaker 2: that nine months?
27:03
Speaker 9: Oh so it gets confusing, So I'm going to have
27:05
Speaker 9: to think about it for a second. So when we
27:07
Speaker 9: were up there, when we first got there, there was
27:09
Speaker 9: three SOYUS crew members and four SpaceX Dragon members, so seven, eight, nine,
27:14
Speaker 9: nine of us all together. Then we had at one
27:17
Speaker 9: point in time a second SOYUZ up, so that was
27:20
Speaker 9: twelve and then they left and so that was nine again,
27:23
Speaker 9: and then then we had another dragon come up with two,
27:26
Speaker 9: so that was back down to oh gosh, now I'm
27:29
Speaker 9: getting confused, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, eleven.
27:33
Speaker 9: So it was it was a little bit of a
27:35
Speaker 9: revolving door, which is great because you see new crew
27:37
Speaker 9: members periodically as these spacecraft trained out. But it was
27:42
Speaker 9: a little bit sad to see people who you thought
27:45
Speaker 9: you'd be on the ground first them leave and then
27:48
Speaker 9: us leave later. So not necessarily sad, I shouldn't say
27:52
Speaker 9: it that way. It was just a little bit different
27:54
Speaker 9: plan than we had originally anticipated.
27:58
Speaker 1: So when you when you think about the plan and
28:00
Speaker 1: you're like, all right, I'm seeing people that are now
28:01
Speaker 1: coming and going. There was a lot of politics involved
28:04
Speaker 1: back on Earth of who's supposed to pick you up,
28:08
Speaker 1: and then there's contingency plans of like who's going to
28:10
Speaker 1: come in essence rescue you guys, But you're seeing others leave.
28:14
Speaker 1: How hard was it mentally to just stay locked in
28:17
Speaker 1: in that scenario because I'm assuming you didn't want to
28:19
Speaker 1: get involved in the in the politics, But the reality
28:22
Speaker 1: is when I if I sell someone leave, dude, I
28:24
Speaker 1: really want to be on that.
28:25
Speaker 9: I want to get out of here, So you know,
28:28
Speaker 9: there's there's a couple aspects of that. You know, there
28:30
Speaker 9: was a lot of really cool things that are going
28:32
Speaker 9: on in the space station. So for me, I honestly
28:35
Speaker 9: didn't mind being up there for an extended duration, like
28:38
Speaker 9: a normal duration, long duration mission, because there's all sorts
28:41
Speaker 9: of cool science to do. There's fun maintenance to do,
28:43
Speaker 9: I like, you know, using tools, and there's you know,
28:46
Speaker 9: space walks occurred also while we're up there, so all
28:49
Speaker 9: that's pretty great. So having those opportunities was fine. Absolutely
28:53
Speaker 9: didn't want to get in the politics of it all,
28:56
Speaker 9: but absolutely wanted a good ride home. You know, we
29:00
Speaker 9: were up there with Starliner for a while as our lifeboat,
29:03
Speaker 9: and it's you know, obviously we all know now that
29:06
Speaker 9: you know, the thrusters weren't working as advertised, and you know,
29:10
Speaker 9: if you're not one hundred percent sure if that's the
29:13
Speaker 9: you know that everything was going to work, why risk
29:15
Speaker 9: your life coming home in that when you potentially have
29:17
Speaker 9: another ride. I think another you know, compromised way to
29:21
Speaker 9: get home beside for Starliner was on Dragon initially because
29:25
Speaker 9: we didn't have dedicated seats. I think the happiest day
29:28
Speaker 9: of my time up there was when crew nine showed
29:31
Speaker 9: up with two empty seats and two dedicated space suits
29:34
Speaker 9: for us, and then we knew we really had the
29:35
Speaker 9: right combination to get home in an emergency, because you know,
29:40
Speaker 9: these spacecraft are our lifeboat in case anything happens to
29:43
Speaker 9: the International Space Station. So you know, that day was great.
29:46
Speaker 9: So you know, I was happy to wait for a
29:48
Speaker 9: proper seat to re enter into the atmosphere. It's no joke.
29:51
Speaker 9: When you're coming into the atmosphere and you know around
29:54
Speaker 9: the capsules, you know, thousands of degrees, you want to
29:56
Speaker 9: make sure that you're in the right place at the
29:58
Speaker 9: right time and have the right ride home.
30:01
Speaker 2: What was the toll on your body?
30:03
Speaker 1: I mean, nine months in outer space with weightlessness, I'm
30:07
Speaker 1: assuming that was really weird when you got back to
30:10
Speaker 1: Earth having to try to figure out just how to
30:12
Speaker 1: walk and get out of everything and get back to normal.
30:14
Speaker 2: How long did that take?
30:15
Speaker 9: Yeah? Absolutely? You know, you know, Butcher and I are
30:18
Speaker 9: both we like working out. We see each other in
30:20
Speaker 9: the gym in the morning, and we both hit it
30:23
Speaker 9: hard when we got there, even knowing we are only
30:25
Speaker 9: potentially only gonna be there for you know, a week
30:27
Speaker 9: or so. We got special permission to use the exercise equipment. Generally,
30:32
Speaker 9: when people aren't there for a short amount of time,
30:34
Speaker 9: they don't use the equipment, and we jumped on it
30:37
Speaker 9: the first day we were there, and we were pretty
30:39
Speaker 9: dedicated the whole time through to make sure we were
30:43
Speaker 9: in as good as shape as possible. But you're right,
30:45
Speaker 9: it does take a toll. Nine months is a long
30:47
Speaker 9: time to make sure your bone density, your muscle mass days. Intact,
30:52
Speaker 9: we needed to work out every single day getting back.
30:55
Speaker 9: You know, it's the big muscles are fine because we
30:57
Speaker 9: worked out. It's all the little small muscles like the
31:00
Speaker 9: one that holds your heads up right, the one that
31:02
Speaker 9: allows you to balance on one foot that we really
31:04
Speaker 9: needed to re engage with that agility and flexibility and
31:08
Speaker 9: just getting back some of the stamina that we probably
31:11
Speaker 9: you know that we both have lost while we were
31:12
Speaker 9: up there. So you know, it's about a thirty day
31:15
Speaker 9: to forty five day process. And still working on my
31:18
Speaker 9: fast twitch muscles. I'm a little bit slow. Absolutely not
31:21
Speaker 9: contributing that to age, only to space flight.
31:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's incredible. Let's talk about what's really cool now.
31:30
Speaker 1: There is an initiative to go back to the moon.
31:33
Speaker 1: Part of this, I think is going to inspire especially
31:36
Speaker 1: young people, that this is something that we can do.
31:40
Speaker 1: It's obtainable. Why has it taking us so long? And
31:43
Speaker 1: when is this plan to actually go back to the Moon.
31:47
Speaker 9: Yeah? Absolutely, this is really exciting times. You know. I
31:50
Speaker 9: think what was great was we've had the International Space
31:53
Speaker 9: Station to try out a whole bunch of processes to
31:55
Speaker 9: understand what happens to people when they're in space for
31:57
Speaker 9: a long duration, so we can get ready to go
31:59
Speaker 9: back to in the moon smarter and you know, in
32:03
Speaker 9: a more safe way. So we are actually doing some
32:06
Speaker 9: more challenging things by going to the poll on, going
32:09
Speaker 9: to the south pole of the Moon. That's our landing
32:11
Speaker 9: spot where we want to go just for you know,
32:14
Speaker 9: resources sunlight while we're while we're there, and maybe build
32:18
Speaker 9: a station like we built in space. So we've used
32:20
Speaker 9: you know, the space station, Internet space Station as a
32:23
Speaker 9: testing ground for all of these things to get ready
32:25
Speaker 9: to go. Also over these you know, last couple decades,
32:28
Speaker 9: I think everybody knows additive manufacturing, different types of welding,
32:33
Speaker 9: all of this has all this production has allowed us
32:36
Speaker 9: to build spacecraft which are amazing. So we're looking forward
32:39
Speaker 9: to launching the Orion capsule this fault. I mean this
32:43
Speaker 9: next year rather with UH with four crew members on
32:47
Speaker 9: the Space Launch System rocket, they'll go around the move
32:50
Speaker 9: to to prove all of our guidance, navigation, control systems
32:53
Speaker 9: and everything that we've now modernized works quite well, and
32:57
Speaker 9: we can head to the right place. Check out the
33:00
Speaker 9: heat shield as we come back into the atmosphere much
33:03
Speaker 9: hotter than from lower orbit where we were want to
33:05
Speaker 9: make sure that all works right. And then we're going
33:07
Speaker 9: to be ready to work with more of our commercial
33:10
Speaker 9: partners to get ready to land on the mood hopefully
33:13
Speaker 9: Artemis three, Artemis four in the next couple of years.
33:17
Speaker 1: So it's it's you're saying this could happen in the
33:19
Speaker 1: next couple of years that we could literally have and
33:22
Speaker 1: an HD color people landing on the Moon and us
33:25
Speaker 1: getting to see it.
33:26
Speaker 9: I think, so yeah, And this next year we'll have
33:29
Speaker 9: you know, Artemis two, and then following probably two years
33:31
Speaker 9: after that, Artemis three, and then follow on people you know,
33:34
Speaker 9: footsteps back on the moon pretty awesome, and you know,
33:37
Speaker 9: there's so much to do, it's really going to be busy.
33:40
Speaker 9: So hopefully we've inspired a bunch of you know, high
33:43
Speaker 9: school university kids to want to get involved. Their time
33:47
Speaker 9: is in the is prime right now?
33:49
Speaker 1: Final question, any chance you're going to be walking on
33:51
Speaker 1: the moon? And how competitive is it to be one
33:53
Speaker 1: of those it.
33:53
Speaker 2: Gets to do it?
33:55
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it's pretty.
33:57
Speaker 1: To Tanya Harding in the leg, you know, to just
33:59
Speaker 1: get get at the front of that line.
34:01
Speaker 9: Hey, you know I borrowed shorts from a buddy. We're
34:04
Speaker 9: a big team effort here. I'm just happy to see
34:07
Speaker 9: the next generation of astronauts put their foot in history
34:11
Speaker 9: and walk on the Moon. I'll be there supporting them,
34:14
Speaker 9: working on some stuff for the rest of the year
34:17
Speaker 9: to get them ready to go. So we're making it happen.
34:20
Speaker 9: I would love to go if they said.
34:22
Speaker 1: No one's been named as the unassuming, right, Has anyone
34:25
Speaker 1: been named yet for that mission?
34:26
Speaker 2: Or No?
34:27
Speaker 9: Not for the landing, yet, not for artemistry.
34:29
Speaker 2: Yet I love it.
34:30
Speaker 1: That's see, that's why she's training folks. She can be PC,
34:33
Speaker 1: but we all know she wants to get on the moon.
34:35
Speaker 2: I would if I was you. That's the Holy Grail,
34:37
Speaker 2: is it not?
34:38
Speaker 7: Oh?
34:39
Speaker 9: Yeah, of course of course it is. But I think
34:41
Speaker 9: my husband would kill me.
34:42
Speaker 1: That's you know what you can. We can work through that.
34:45
Speaker 1: There's counselors for that. I appreciate you coming on and sunny,
34:50
Speaker 1: just and talking. By the way, if you're if you've
34:52
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35:01
Speaker 1: This is exciting news for NASA, it's exciting news for
35:05
Speaker 1: space travel and going to the moon.
35:06
Speaker 2: Sonny.
35:07
Speaker 1: We appreciate your time and congratulations on unbelievable career.
35:11
Speaker 9: Absolutely, Ben, thank you so much.
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