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Navigating Fragmentation: What It Takes to Achieve Coherence · The Wheelhouse

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  We've
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  talked
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  about
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  drift
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  and
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  we've
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  talked
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  about
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  coherence,
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  and
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  now
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  we
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  get
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  to
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  the
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  real
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  question.
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  What
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  does
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  it
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  actually
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  take
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  to
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  sustain
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  a
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  coherent
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  human
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  system
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  when
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  the
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  pressure
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  is
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  real?
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  This
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  is
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  where
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  most
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  systems
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  struggle.
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  Not
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  in
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  vision,
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  not
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  in
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  strategic
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  planning,
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  not
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  in
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  mission
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  statements,
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  in
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  implementation.
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  Under
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  pressure,
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  systems
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  drift
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  toward
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  fragmentation,
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  leaders
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  become
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  reactive,
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  initiatives
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  compete
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  for
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  attention,
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  and
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  students
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  experience
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  the
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  consequences.
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  So
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  today,
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  the
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  Wheelhouse
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  team
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  pushes
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  me
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  on
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  the
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  hardest
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  part
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  of
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  this
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  work.
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  What
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  does
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  disciplined
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  coherence
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  actually
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  look
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  like
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  in
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  practice?
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  How
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  do
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  leaders
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  protect
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  purpose
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  when
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  urgency
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  takes
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  over?
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  How
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  do
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  systems
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  stay
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  human
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  while
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  navigating
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  accountability,
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  politics,
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  and
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  complexity?
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  And
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  what
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  kinds
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  of
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  leadership
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  habits
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  keep
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  schools
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  oriented
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  toward
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  what
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  matters
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  most?
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  Coherence
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  is
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  not
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  built
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  through
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  inspiration
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  alone.
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  It's
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  built
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  through
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  disciplined
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  leadership
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  over
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  time.
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  A
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  new
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  episode
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  of
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  the
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  Wheelhouse
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  begins
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  right
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  now.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  the
• 1:28
  Wheelhouse,
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  a
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  Students
• 1:30
  Matter
• 1:30
  podcast
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  where
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  we
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  navigate
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  the
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  intersection
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  of
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  leadership,
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  learning,
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  and
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  humanity.
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  I'm
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  Dr.
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  Grant
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  Chandler
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  and
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  this
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  is
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  the
• 1:38
  final
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  episode
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  in
• 1:39
  our
• 1:40
  three
• 1:40
  part
• 1:40
  hiatus
• 1:41
  series
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  exploring
• 1:43
  the
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  Students
• 1:43
  Matter
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  ecosystem.
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  My
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  thanks
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  again
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  to
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  the
• 1:47
  Wheelhouse
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  team,
• 1:48
  Kathy
• 1:48
  Mone,
• 1:49
  Michael
• 1:49
  Pipa,
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  and
• 1:50
  Dr.
• 1:50
  Alicia
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  Munro
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  for
• 1:52
  leading
• 1:52
  these
• 1:52
  conversations
• 1:53
  and
• 1:53
  helping
• 1:54
  us
• 1:54
  wrestle
• 1:54
  publicly
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  with
• 1:55
  the
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  deeper
• 1:56
  ideas
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  underneath
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  this
• 1:57
  work.
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  In
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  episode
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  one,
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  we
• 2:00
  confronted
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  the
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  reality
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  of
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  drift.
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  In
• 2:03
  episode
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  two,
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  we
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  explored
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  coherence
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  and
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  the
• 2:06
  architecture
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  of
• 2:07
  the
• 2:07
  Students
• 2:08
  Matter
• 2:08
  ecosystem.
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  Today,
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  we
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  move
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  into
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  the
• 2:11
  hardest
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  part
• 2:12
  of
• 2:12
  the
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  implementation.
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  The
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  truth
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  is,
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  most
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  systems
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  don't
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  struggle
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  to
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  create
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  vision.
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  They
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  struggle
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  to
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  sustain
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  alignment
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  under
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  pressure.
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  And
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  pressure
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  changes
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  things.
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  Urgency
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  changes
• 2:28
  things.
• 2:29
  Fatigue
• 2:30
  changes
• 2:31
  things.
• 2:32
  Politics,
• 2:33
  accountability,
• 2:34
  competing
• 2:35
  priorities,
• 2:35
  and
• 2:36
  adult
• 2:36
  behavior
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  all
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  shape
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  whether
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  a
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  system
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  remains
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  coherent
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  or
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  slowly
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  drifts
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  back
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  toward
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  fragmentation.
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  So
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  today
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  we're
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  asking,
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  what
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  does
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  the
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  disciplined
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  coherence
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  actually
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  require
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  from
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  leaders?
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  What
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  habits
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  sustain
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  human
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  centered
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  systems
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  over
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  time?
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  And
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  how
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  do
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  we
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  stop
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  protecting
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  fragmentation
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  simply
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  because
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  it
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  feels
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  familiar?
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  That's
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  where
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  we're
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  going.
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  Let's
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  get
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  oriented
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  foreign.
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  Good
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  morning.
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  I'm
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  Dr.
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  Grant
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  Chandler
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  and
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  you
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  are
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  listening
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  to
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  another
• 3:15
  episode
• 3:16
  of
• 3:16
  the
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  Wheelhouse.
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  I'm
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  here
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  with
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  the
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  amazing
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  team,
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  the
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  best
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  humans
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  on
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  the
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  planet.
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  Kathy
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  moni,
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  Michael
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  Pipa,
• 3:23
  Dr.
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  Alicia
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  Monroe.
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  Good
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  morning.
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  Good
• 3:29
  morning.
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  That
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  was
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  the
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  best.
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  That
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  was
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  beautiful.
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  We're
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  getting
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  good
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  at
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  that.
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  Yeah,
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  probably
• 3:39
  should.
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  It's
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  been
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  a
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  minute.
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  It
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  has
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  been
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  a
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  minute.
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  Yes,
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  yes.
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  Considering
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  this
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  is
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  like
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  the
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  124th
• 3:46
  episode
• 3:46
  or
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  something
• 3:47
  like
• 3:47
  that.
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  Yeah.
• 3:47
  You
• 3:48
  know,
• 3:48
  we
• 3:48
  had
• 3:48
  a
• 3:48
  little
• 3:48
  bit
• 3:49
  of
• 3:49
  practice.
• 3:49
  It's
• 3:50
  taken
• 3:50
  us
• 3:50
  a
• 3:50
  minute
• 3:51
  to
• 3:51
  become
• 3:51
  coherent.
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  There
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  I
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  go
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  again.
• 3:55
  There
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  I
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  go
• 3:56
  again.
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  Ding,
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  ding,
• 3:58
  ding,
• 3:58
  ding,
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  ding.
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  Wow.
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  We'll
• 4:01
  have
• 4:01
  to
• 4:01
  explain
• 4:02
  that
• 4:02
  in
• 4:02
  a
• 4:02
  minute.
• 4:03
  I'll
• 4:03
  bet.
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  Well,
• 4:04
  hey,
• 4:04
  this
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  again.
• 4:05
  What
• 4:05
  do
• 4:06
  we
• 4:06
  do
• 4:06
  on
• 4:06
  hiatus?
• 4:07
  We
• 4:07
  record
• 4:07
  more
• 4:07
  episodes
• 4:08
  of
• 4:08
  the
• 4:08
  Wheelhouse.
• 4:09
  This
• 4:10
  is
• 4:10
  the
• 4:10
  last
• 4:10
  hiatus
• 4:11
  episode
• 4:11
  before
• 4:12
  we
• 4:12
  take
• 4:12
  a
• 4:13
  short
• 4:13
  break.
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  Season
• 4:16
  13
• 4:17
  will
• 4:17
  drop
• 4:18
  on
• 4:18
  July
• 4:18
  7th.
• 4:19
  So
• 4:20
  if
• 4:20
  you
• 4:20
  are
• 4:20
  listening
• 4:21
  today,
• 4:21
  stay
• 4:22
  tuned.
• 4:23
  This
• 4:24
  one
• 4:24
  drops
• 4:24
  on
• 4:25
  the
• 4:25
  16th
• 4:25
  of
• 4:25
  June.
• 4:25
  You
• 4:26
  got
• 4:26
  just
• 4:26
  a
• 4:26
  couple
• 4:26
  of
• 4:27
  weeks
• 4:27
  before
• 4:28
  season
• 4:29
  13
• 4:30
  begins.
• 4:31
  And
• 4:31
  we'll
• 4:31
  be
• 4:31
  putting
• 4:32
  some
• 4:32
  things
• 4:32
  out
• 4:32
  there
• 4:33
  to
• 4:33
  remind
• 4:33
  you
• 4:34
  and
• 4:34
  to
• 4:34
  introduce
• 4:35
  the
• 4:35
  theme
• 4:35
  soon.
• 4:36
  But
• 4:36
  today,
• 4:37
  today
• 4:38
  we're
• 4:38
  wrapping
• 4:38
  up
• 4:39
  our
• 4:39
  hiatus
• 4:40
  series,
• 4:41
  really
• 4:41
  talking
• 4:42
  about
• 4:42
  drift
• 4:43
  and
• 4:43
  coherence.
• 4:44
  And
• 4:44
  once
• 4:45
  again,
• 4:45
  I
• 4:46
  think
• 4:46
  I'm
• 4:46
  in
• 4:46
  the
• 4:46
  hot
• 4:47
  seat.
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  You
• 4:49
  are.
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  And
• 4:52
  you
• 4:52
  allowed
• 4:53
  us
• 4:53
  to
• 4:53
  come
• 4:54
  back
• 4:54
  and
• 4:54
  do
• 4:55
  it
• 4:55
  again.
• 4:55
  And
• 4:56
  it's
• 4:57
  gotten
• 4:57
  hotter
• 4:57
  and
• 4:58
  hotter
• 4:58
  each
• 4:59
  time.
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  This
• 5:01
  is
• 5:01
  what
• 5:01
  happens
• 5:02
  when
• 5:02
  you
• 5:02
  work
• 5:02
  with
• 5:02
  brilliance
• 5:04
  and
• 5:04
  you
• 5:04
  all
• 5:04
  are
• 5:05
  brilliant.
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  And
• 5:07
  so
• 5:07
  are
• 5:08
  you.
• 5:08
  Oh,
• 5:09
  it's
• 5:10
  a
• 5:10
  love
• 5:10
  fest.
• 5:11
  Here
• 5:11
  it
• 5:11
  is.
• 5:12
  This
• 5:12
  is
• 5:12
  why
• 5:12
  we
• 5:12
  can't
• 5:13
  stay
• 5:13
  away
• 5:13
  from
• 5:14
  each
• 5:14
  other.
• 5:15
  Absolutely.
• 5:16
  The
• 5:16
  love
• 5:16
  is
• 5:17
  mornings
• 5:17
  never
• 5:17
  looked
• 5:18
  so
• 5:18
  good.
• 5:20
  So,
• 5:20
  Dr.
• 5:20
  Chandler,
• 5:21
  I'm
• 5:21
  going
• 5:21
  to
• 5:21
  get
• 5:21
  us
• 5:22
  started.
• 5:22
  Yes.
• 5:22
  I'm
• 5:22
  going
• 5:22
  to
• 5:23
  throw
• 5:23
  you
• 5:23
  in
• 5:24
  right
• 5:24
  away.
• 5:25
  Okay,
• 5:25
  so
• 5:26
  so
• 5:26
  far
• 5:26
  we've
• 5:26
  talked
• 5:27
  about
• 5:27
  drift
• 5:29
  and
• 5:29
  we've
• 5:29
  talked
• 5:30
  about
• 5:30
  coherence.
• 5:32
  And
• 5:34
  here's
• 5:34
  the
• 5:34
  reality.
• 5:36
  Most
• 5:36
  leaders,
• 5:37
  we
• 5:37
  already
• 5:37
  know,
• 5:38
  right?
• 5:39
  There's
• 5:39
  nobody
• 5:40
  out
• 5:40
  there
• 5:40
  that's
• 5:40
  saying
• 5:41
  we
• 5:41
  don't
• 5:42
  know
• 5:42
  that
• 5:43
  our
• 5:43
  systems
• 5:43
  are
• 5:44
  fragmented.
• 5:44
  We
• 5:45
  feel
• 5:45
  it,
• 5:45
  we
• 5:46
  experience
• 5:46
  it
• 5:47
  every
• 5:47
  day.
• 5:49
  So
• 5:50
  why
• 5:51
  is
• 5:51
  it
• 5:51
  so
• 5:52
  difficult
• 5:54
  to
• 5:54
  make
• 5:54
  that
• 5:55
  change
• 5:55
  and
• 5:56
  then
• 5:56
  sustain
• 5:58
  that
• 5:58
  coherence?
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  We
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  defined
• 6:00
  it.
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  We
• 6:00
  said
• 6:01
  that
• 6:01
  coherence
• 6:01
  was
• 6:01
  when
• 6:02
  leadership
• 6:03
  instruction
• 6:05
  systems
• 6:06
  and
• 6:06
  student
• 6:06
  experience
• 6:08
  actually
• 6:08
  reinforce
• 6:09
  one
• 6:10
  another
• 6:11
  instead
• 6:11
  of
• 6:11
  competing
• 6:12
  with
• 6:12
  one
• 6:12
  another.
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  And
• 6:14
  I
• 6:15
  love
• 6:15
  that
• 6:15
  definition.
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  So
• 6:18
  I
• 6:18
  think
• 6:19
  the
• 6:20
  reality
• 6:20
  is
• 6:21
  the
• 6:21
  systems
• 6:22
  are
• 6:22
  just
• 6:22
  constantly
• 6:22
  under
• 6:23
  pressure.
• 6:23
  Right?
• 6:24
  There's
• 6:24
  this
• 6:25
  urgency,
• 6:26
  there's
• 6:26
  politics,
• 6:27
  there's
• 6:27
  competing
• 6:28
  priorities,
• 6:28
  there's
• 6:29
  fatigue,
• 6:29
  there's
• 6:30
  compliance
• 6:30
  demands,
• 6:31
  there's
• 6:32
  fear
• 6:32
  of
• 6:33
  conflict.
• 6:34
  Right.
• 6:34
  And
• 6:34
  there's
• 6:35
  not
• 6:35
  just
• 6:36
  in
• 6:36
  many
• 6:37
  places,
• 6:37
  it's
• 6:37
  not
• 6:37
  one
• 6:38
  of
• 6:38
  those.
• 6:38
  It's
• 6:39
  all
• 6:40
  of
• 6:40
  those
• 6:41
  just
• 6:41
  kind
• 6:41
  of
• 6:42
  surrounding
• 6:43
  the
• 6:43
  system.
• 6:43
  So
• 6:44
  I
• 6:44
  think
• 6:44
  it's
• 6:44
  really
• 6:44
  easy
• 6:45
  to
• 6:45
  talk
• 6:45
  about
• 6:45
  coherence
• 6:46
  in
• 6:46
  theory.
• 6:47
  And
• 6:47
  I
• 6:47
  know
• 6:47
  as
• 6:48
  we
• 6:48
  continue
• 6:48
  in
• 6:48
  this
• 6:48
  episode,
• 6:49
  we're
• 6:49
  going
• 6:49
  to
• 6:49
  talk
• 6:49
  about
• 6:50
  that
• 6:50
  protecting
• 6:51
  it.
• 6:52
  Protecting
• 6:53
  coherence
• 6:54
  is
• 6:54
  really
• 6:55
  the
• 6:55
  job
• 6:55
  of
• 6:55
  the
• 6:55
  leader.
• 6:56
  So,
• 6:57
  Grant,
• 6:58
  I'm,
• 6:58
  I'm,
• 6:59
  I'm
• 6:59
  wondering
• 7:00
  what
• 7:00
  is
• 7:00
  it
• 7:00
  that
• 7:01
  leaders
• 7:02
  forget
• 7:04
  or
• 7:04
  overlook
• 7:06
  or
• 7:06
  undervalue
• 7:08
  in
• 7:08
  their
• 7:09
  coherence
• 7:09
  efforts?
• 7:11
  I
• 7:11
  don't
• 7:11
  know
• 7:11
  that
• 7:11
  if
• 7:12
  it's
• 7:12
  anything
• 7:12
  they
• 7:12
  undervalue.
• 7:13
  I
• 7:13
  think
• 7:14
  what
• 7:14
  happens
• 7:15
  is
• 7:15
  they
• 7:15
  don't
• 7:16
  have
• 7:16
  the
• 7:16
  tools
• 7:17
  to
• 7:18
  hold
• 7:18
  tight
• 7:19
  when
• 7:19
  the
• 7:19
  pressure
• 7:20
  surrounds
• 7:20
  them.
• 7:21
  You
• 7:21
  know,
• 7:21
  they're
• 7:22
  good
• 7:22
  People
• 7:22
  trying
• 7:22
  to
• 7:22
  do
• 7:23
  good
• 7:23
  work.
• 7:24
  There
• 7:24
  are
• 7:25
  just
• 7:25
  so
• 7:25
  many
• 7:26
  demands
• 7:26
  as
• 7:26
  the
• 7:27
  three
• 7:27
  of,
• 7:27
  you
• 7:27
  know
• 7:29
  firsthand,
• 7:30
  right?
• 7:30
  How
• 7:30
  many
• 7:30
  demands
• 7:31
  there
• 7:31
  are.
• 7:32
  And
• 7:32
  I
• 7:32
  think
• 7:32
  if
• 7:32
  we
• 7:33
  don't
• 7:33
  have.
• 7:34
  If
• 7:34
  we
• 7:35
  don't
• 7:35
  have
• 7:35
  the
• 7:35
  tools
• 7:35
  to
• 7:35
  help
• 7:36
  us,
• 7:36
  then
• 7:36
  it's
• 7:37
  really
• 7:37
  easy,
• 7:38
  right?
• 7:38
  Really
• 7:39
  easy
• 7:40
  to
• 7:40
  just
• 7:40
  get
• 7:41
  pulled
• 7:42
  into
• 7:43
  a
• 7:43
  thousand
• 7:43
  different
• 7:44
  directions.
• 7:45
  I
• 7:45
  was
• 7:46
  talking
• 7:46
  to
• 7:46
  a
• 7:47
  principal
• 7:47
  yesterday
• 7:48
  and
• 7:48
  in
• 7:49
  a
• 7:50
  three
• 7:50
  minute
• 7:50
  conversation,
• 7:52
  he
• 7:52
  talked
• 7:52
  about
• 7:53
  all
• 7:53
  of
• 7:54
  those
• 7:54
  detractors,
• 7:55
  right?
• 7:56
  There
• 7:56
  was
• 7:57
  the
• 7:57
  demands
• 7:59
  of
• 7:59
  the
• 7:59
  testing
• 8:00
  situation
• 8:01
  and
• 8:01
  of
• 8:02
  that.
• 8:02
  There
• 8:02
  were
• 8:02
  parents
• 8:03
  showing
• 8:03
  up
• 8:03
  at
• 8:03
  his
• 8:04
  doorstep.
• 8:04
  There
• 8:04
  was
• 8:04
  the
• 8:04
  superintendent
• 8:06
  wanting
• 8:06
  to
• 8:06
  know
• 8:06
  what
• 8:06
  he
• 8:06
  was
• 8:07
  doing.
• 8:08
  It
• 8:08
  was
• 8:08
  everything
• 8:09
  coming
• 8:09
  all
• 8:09
  together.
• 8:10
  And
• 8:11
  in
• 8:11
  those
• 8:12
  moments,
• 8:13
  without
• 8:13
  the
• 8:13
  tools
• 8:15
  to
• 8:15
  help
• 8:15
  you
• 8:16
  stay
• 8:17
  focused
• 8:17
  on
• 8:17
  what
• 8:18
  matters,
• 8:18
  I
• 8:18
  think
• 8:18
  it's
• 8:19
  too
• 8:19
  easy
• 8:19
  to
• 8:19
  be
• 8:20
  swayed
• 8:21
  because
• 8:21
  we
• 8:21
  respond,
• 8:22
  right?
• 8:23
  Educators
• 8:23
  are
• 8:23
  fix
• 8:24
  it
• 8:24
  people.
• 8:25
  We
• 8:26
  see
• 8:26
  a
• 8:26
  problem,
• 8:26
  we
• 8:26
  want
• 8:26
  to
• 8:27
  fix
• 8:27
  it.
• 8:27
  And
• 8:27
  I
• 8:28
  think
• 8:28
  what
• 8:28
  has
• 8:29
  happened
• 8:29
  is
• 8:29
  that
• 8:30
  we
• 8:30
  get
• 8:30
  stuck
• 8:32
  in
• 8:32
  the
• 8:32
  reactionary
• 8:33
  fix
• 8:34
  it
• 8:34
  mode
• 8:34
  when
• 8:34
  all
• 8:35
  of
• 8:35
  this
• 8:35
  stuff
• 8:35
  comes
• 8:35
  at
• 8:36
  us
• 8:36
  all
• 8:36
  the
• 8:36
  time.
• 8:38
  So
• 8:38
  business
• 8:38
  can
• 8:39
  really
• 8:39
  create
• 8:40
  this
• 8:40
  illusion
• 8:41
  of
• 8:41
  leadership.
• 8:42
  And
• 8:42
  we've
• 8:42
  discussed
• 8:43
  this
• 8:43
  on
• 8:43
  previous
• 8:44
  episodes.
• 8:45
  Busyness
• 8:45
  versus
• 8:46
  intentionality.
• 8:49
  So
• 8:49
  now
• 8:49
  we
• 8:49
  see
• 8:50
  that
• 8:50
  this
• 8:51
  activity
• 8:51
  is
• 8:52
  kind
• 8:52
  of
• 8:53
  masquerading
• 8:54
  as
• 8:55
  progress.
• 8:57
  Can
• 8:57
  you
• 8:57
  provide
• 8:58
  us
• 8:58
  with
• 8:58
  some
• 8:58
  solutions
• 8:59
  or
• 8:59
  tools
• 9:01
  that
• 9:02
  can
• 9:02
  help
• 9:02
  us
• 9:02
  really
• 9:03
  be
• 9:03
  intentional
• 9:05
  around
• 9:05
  aligning
• 9:06
  in
• 9:07
  a
• 9:07
  state
• 9:07
  of
• 9:07
  fragmentation?
• 9:10
  So
• 9:11
  one
• 9:11
  of
• 9:11
  the
• 9:11
  things
• 9:11
  that
• 9:11
  we
• 9:12
  talk
• 9:12
  about
• 9:12
  in
• 9:12
  tactical
• 9:13
  leadership
• 9:13
  is
• 9:13
  to
• 9:13
  know
• 9:13
  your
• 9:14
  operating
• 9:14
  system,
• 9:15
  right?
• 9:15
  And
• 9:16
  that
• 9:16
  is
• 9:16
  to
• 9:16
  know
• 9:17
  how
• 9:17
  you
• 9:17
  think
• 9:17
  deeply
• 9:18
  and
• 9:18
  how
• 9:18
  you
• 9:18
  respond.
• 9:20
  And
• 9:21
  in
• 9:21
  the
• 9:21
  second
• 9:21
  pathway
• 9:22
  or
• 9:22
  second
• 9:23
  experience,
• 9:23
  in
• 9:23
  the
• 9:23
  pathway
• 9:24
  we
• 9:24
  talk
• 9:24
  about
• 9:24
  that
• 9:24
  we
• 9:24
  define
• 9:25
  like,
• 9:25
  okay,
• 9:26
  you're
• 9:26
  going
• 9:26
  to
• 9:26
  really
• 9:26
  need
• 9:27
  to
• 9:27
  know.
• 9:27
  You're
• 9:28
  going
• 9:28
  to
• 9:28
  need
• 9:28
  to
• 9:28
  know
• 9:28
  well,
• 9:29
  how
• 9:29
  you
• 9:30
  operate,
• 9:30
  right?
• 9:30
  How
• 9:31
  does
• 9:31
  your
• 9:31
  brain
• 9:31
  function,
• 9:32
  how
• 9:32
  do
• 9:32
  you
• 9:32
  think
• 9:33
  and
• 9:33
  process?
• 9:33
  And
• 9:34
  we
• 9:34
  call
• 9:34
  that
• 9:34
  the
• 9:34
  operating
• 9:35
  system.
• 9:35
  And
• 9:35
  then
• 9:35
  you
• 9:35
  got
• 9:36
  to
• 9:36
  connect
• 9:36
  that
• 9:36
  to
• 9:37
  purpose,
• 9:37
  right?
• 9:39
  You've
• 9:39
  got
• 9:39
  to
• 9:39
  really
• 9:40
  know.
• 9:41
  That's
• 9:41
  why
• 9:41
  I
• 9:41
  said
• 9:42
  in
• 9:42
  the
• 9:42
  opening
• 9:43
  that
• 9:43
  it's
• 9:44
  the
• 9:44
  leader's
• 9:44
  job
• 9:45
  to
• 9:46
  protect
• 9:46
  the
• 9:47
  coherence
• 9:47
  of
• 9:48
  the
• 9:48
  system.
• 9:48
  And
• 9:48
  you
• 9:49
  can't
• 9:49
  do
• 9:49
  that
• 9:50
  if
• 9:51
  you
• 9:51
  don't
• 9:51
  have
• 9:52
  a
• 9:52
  really
• 9:52
  good
• 9:53
  understanding
• 9:54
  of
• 9:54
  A,
• 9:55
  how
• 9:55
  you
• 9:55
  operate
• 9:56
  and
• 9:56
  B,
• 9:58
  what
• 9:58
  the
• 9:58
  purpose
• 9:58
  is,
• 9:58
  where
• 9:59
  you're
• 9:59
  really
• 9:59
  headed.
• 10:01
  Because
• 10:01
  otherwise
• 10:02
  we
• 10:03
  masquerade
• 10:04
  ourselves
• 10:04
  with
• 10:04
  busyness,
• 10:07
  with
• 10:07
  chasing
• 10:08
  urgency,
• 10:09
  chasing
• 10:09
  noise.
• 10:10
  We
• 10:10
  get
• 10:10
  bombarded
• 10:11
  by
• 10:11
  internal
• 10:12
  and
• 10:12
  external
• 10:12
  pressure
• 10:15
  and
• 10:15
  in
• 10:15
  all
• 10:16
  of
• 10:16
  the
• 10:16
  things
• 10:16
  that
• 10:16
  compliance
• 10:17
  demands.
• 10:18
  So
• 10:19
  leaders
• 10:20
  have
• 10:20
  to.
• 10:20
  They
• 10:21
  have
• 10:21
  to
• 10:21
  make
• 10:21
  really
• 10:21
  hard
• 10:22
  decisions.
• 10:23
  And
• 10:23
  those
• 10:23
  decisions
• 10:24
  are
• 10:24
  about
• 10:24
  alignment,
• 10:25
  right?
• 10:26
  How
• 10:26
  do
• 10:26
  I
• 10:26
  keep
• 10:27
  the
• 10:27
  organization,
• 10:28
  whether
• 10:29
  I'm
• 10:29
  the
• 10:29
  district
• 10:29
  leader,
• 10:30
  whether
• 10:30
  I'm
• 10:31
  the
• 10:31
  building
• 10:31
  leader,
• 10:32
  whether
• 10:32
  I'm
• 10:32
  the
• 10:32
  classroom
• 10:33
  leader,
• 10:33
  how
• 10:33
  do
• 10:33
  I
• 10:34
  keep
• 10:34
  us
• 10:34
  Moving
• 10:35
  in
• 10:35
  the
• 10:36
  direction
• 10:36
  that
• 10:37
  we
• 10:37
  need
• 10:37
  to
• 10:37
  go.
• 10:37
  How
• 10:38
  do
• 10:38
  I
• 10:38
  handle
• 10:39
  competing
• 10:40
  initiatives?
• 10:40
  How
• 10:41
  do
• 10:41
  I
• 10:41
  tolerate
• 10:41
  inconsistent
• 10:42
  expectations?
• 10:43
  How
• 10:43
  do
• 10:44
  I
• 10:44
  protect,
• 10:45
  you
• 10:45
  know,
• 10:45
  what
• 10:46
  happens
• 10:46
  when
• 10:46
  we
• 10:46
  protect
• 10:47
  adult
• 10:47
  competent
• 10:48
  comfort
• 10:48
  over
• 10:48
  student
• 10:49
  experience?
• 10:50
  The
• 10:50
  reality
• 10:51
  here
• 10:51
  is
• 10:51
  that
• 10:52
  every
• 10:52
  incoherent
• 10:53
  system
• 10:55
  is
• 10:55
  being
• 10:55
  protected
• 10:57
  by
• 10:57
  adult
• 10:58
  behavior
• 10:58
  somewhere.
• 10:59
  Every
• 11:00
  incoherent
• 11:01
  system
• 11:02
  is
• 11:03
  being
• 11:03
  protected
• 11:04
  by
• 11:04
  adult
• 11:05
  behavior
• 11:06
  somewhere.
• 11:06
  And
• 11:07
  sometimes
• 11:07
  we
• 11:07
  don't
• 11:08
  even
• 11:08
  know
• 11:09
  we're
• 11:10
  protecting
• 11:10
  it.
• 11:11
  Right.
• 11:11
  We
• 11:12
  don't
• 11:12
  even
• 11:12
  know
• 11:12
  we're
• 11:13
  protecting
• 11:13
  it.
• 11:14
  Yeah.
• 11:15
  You've
• 11:15
  talked
• 11:15
  about
• 11:16
  the
• 11:16
  fact
• 11:16
  that
• 11:17
  this
• 11:18
  kind
• 11:18
  of
• 11:18
  whirlwind
• 11:19
  is
• 11:19
  happening.
• 11:20
  Right.
• 11:20
  All
• 11:20
  of
• 11:21
  these
• 11:21
  things
• 11:22
  are
• 11:22
  competing.
• 11:23
  And
• 11:24
  you
• 11:25
  know,
• 11:25
  we
• 11:25
  started
• 11:25
  by
• 11:26
  the
• 11:27
  conversation
• 11:27
  today
• 11:28
  about
• 11:29
  saying
• 11:29
  that
• 11:30
  leaders,
• 11:31
  they,
• 11:32
  they
• 11:32
  know
• 11:32
  that.
• 11:32
  I
• 11:33
  mean,
• 11:33
  we
• 11:33
  feel
• 11:33
  it,
• 11:34
  we
• 11:34
  feel
• 11:34
  the
• 11:34
  exhaustion
• 11:36
  day
• 11:36
  after
• 11:37
  day.
• 11:37
  But
• 11:37
  don't,
• 11:40
  don't
• 11:40
  necessarily
• 11:41
  then
• 11:41
  know
• 11:43
  what
• 11:43
  those
• 11:43
  adult
• 11:44
  behaviors
• 11:45
  are
• 11:46
  that
• 11:47
  can
• 11:48
  change
• 11:48
  that.
• 11:50
  So
• 11:52
  what
• 11:52
  does
• 11:52
  it
• 11:52
  act?
• 11:53
  What,
• 11:53
  what
• 11:53
  does
• 11:53
  a
• 11:53
  coherent
• 11:54
  leader
• 11:54
  actually
• 11:55
  do
• 11:56
  do?
• 11:57
  So
• 11:57
  that's
• 11:58
  a
• 11:58
  really
• 11:58
  good
• 11:58
  question.
• 11:58
  And
• 11:59
  as
• 11:59
  you
• 11:59
  were
• 11:59
  posing
• 12:00
  it,
• 12:00
  I
• 12:00
  also
• 12:01
  wanted
• 12:01
  to
• 12:01
  throw
• 12:01
  out
• 12:01
  there,
• 12:02
  I
• 12:02
  think
• 12:02
  this
• 12:02
  is
• 12:03
  why
• 12:03
  so
• 12:03
  many
• 12:03
  teachers
• 12:04
  leave
• 12:04
  the
• 12:04
  profession.
• 12:07
  Right.
• 12:07
  It's
• 12:08
  not
• 12:08
  because
• 12:08
  they
• 12:08
  don't
• 12:09
  care
• 12:09
  either.
• 12:10
  It's
• 12:10
  because
• 12:10
  it's
• 12:10
  all
• 12:11
  overwhelming
• 12:12
  and
• 12:14
  no
• 12:14
  one's
• 12:14
  protecting
• 12:15
  coherence.
• 12:16
  And
• 12:16
  you
• 12:16
  know,
• 12:17
  as
• 12:17
  much
• 12:17
  as
• 12:17
  I
• 12:18
  believe
• 12:18
  and
• 12:18
  say
• 12:18
  that
• 12:19
  teachers
• 12:20
  are
• 12:20
  leaders
• 12:20
  and
• 12:20
  they
• 12:21
  are,
• 12:21
  they
• 12:22
  don't
• 12:22
  have
• 12:23
  the
• 12:23
  influence
• 12:24
  of
• 12:24
  the
• 12:24
  larger,
• 12:25
  of
• 12:25
  the
• 12:25
  larger
• 12:25
  organization,
• 12:26
  so
• 12:26
  they
• 12:27
  can't
• 12:27
  protect
• 12:28
  coherence.
• 12:29
  We
• 12:29
  need
• 12:29
  the
• 12:29
  building
• 12:30
  leaders
• 12:30
  and
• 12:30
  district
• 12:31
  leaders
• 12:31
  to
• 12:32
  do
• 12:32
  that.
• 12:32
  And
• 12:33
  you
• 12:33
  know,
• 12:34
  I
• 12:34
  call
• 12:34
  that
• 12:34
  getting
• 12:35
  oriented.
• 12:35
  And
• 12:36
  one
• 12:36
  of
• 12:36
  the
• 12:36
  things
• 12:36
  that
• 12:37
  we
• 12:37
  have
• 12:38
  to
• 12:38
  get
• 12:38
  good
• 12:38
  at,
• 12:39
  which
• 12:39
  is
• 12:39
  what
• 12:39
  we
• 12:39
  do
• 12:39
  in
• 12:40
  tactical
• 12:40
  leadership,
• 12:41
  is
• 12:42
  leaders
• 12:42
  have
• 12:42
  to
• 12:43
  pause
• 12:43
  long
• 12:43
  enough
• 12:44
  to
• 12:44
  keep
• 12:44
  in
• 12:44
  mind.
• 12:45
  Right.
• 12:46
  Instead
• 12:46
  of
• 12:46
  just
• 12:46
  reacting,
• 12:47
  they
• 12:47
  have
• 12:48
  to
• 12:48
  keep
• 12:48
  in
• 12:48
  mind
• 12:48
  what
• 12:48
  is
• 12:49
  it
• 12:49
  that
• 12:49
  we're
• 12:49
  trying
• 12:49
  to
• 12:49
  accomplish,
• 12:52
  what's
• 12:52
  the
• 12:52
  destination,
• 12:53
  what
• 12:53
  matters
• 12:54
  most,
• 12:55
  and
• 12:55
  thinking
• 12:55
  about
• 12:56
  what
• 12:56
  kind
• 12:56
  of
• 12:56
  work
• 12:57
  is
• 12:57
  going
• 12:57
  to
• 12:57
  get
• 12:58
  there.
• 12:58
  And
• 12:59
  sometimes
• 12:59
  that
• 13:00
  means
• 13:01
  that
• 13:01
  leaders
• 13:01
  have
• 13:02
  to
• 13:02
  say
• 13:02
  no
• 13:02
  to
• 13:02
  really
• 13:02
  good
• 13:03
  ideas.
• 13:03
  There
• 13:04
  is
• 13:04
  not
• 13:04
  a
• 13:05
  shortage
• 13:06
  of
• 13:06
  good
• 13:06
  ideas
• 13:07
  out
• 13:07
  there.
• 13:07
  There
• 13:08
  are
• 13:08
  a
• 13:08
  lot
• 13:08
  of
• 13:08
  brilliant
• 13:09
  people
• 13:10
  trying
• 13:10
  to
• 13:10
  make
• 13:11
  recommendations
• 13:11
  and
• 13:12
  tools
• 13:12
  and
• 13:12
  things
• 13:13
  to
• 13:13
  make
• 13:13
  it
• 13:13
  easier
• 13:14
  for
• 13:14
  leaders.
• 13:14
  And
• 13:15
  one
• 13:15
  of
• 13:15
  the
• 13:15
  things
• 13:15
  you
• 13:15
  have
• 13:15
  to
• 13:15
  do
• 13:16
  is
• 13:16
  we
• 13:16
  have
• 13:16
  to
• 13:16
  make
• 13:16
  sure
• 13:16
  that
• 13:18
  we
• 13:18
  know
• 13:18
  when
• 13:19
  to
• 13:19
  say
• 13:19
  no,
• 13:20
  even
• 13:20
  to
• 13:21
  a
• 13:21
  really
• 13:22
  good
• 13:22
  idea,
• 13:22
  because
• 13:22
  we
• 13:23
  can't
• 13:23
  do
• 13:23
  it
• 13:23
  all.
• 13:24
  How
• 13:24
  many
• 13:24
  times
• 13:26
  have
• 13:26
  you
• 13:26
  seen
• 13:27
  either
• 13:27
  yourself
• 13:28
  or
• 13:28
  other
• 13:29
  leaders
• 13:29
  that
• 13:29
  are
• 13:30
  just
• 13:30
  trying
• 13:30
  to
• 13:30
  do
• 13:30
  everything
• 13:31
  all
• 13:31
  at
• 13:32
  once
• 13:32
  and
• 13:33
  it
• 13:33
  doesn't
• 13:33
  work?
• 13:34
  Right.
• 13:34
  And
• 13:35
  we
• 13:35
  don't
• 13:36
  get
• 13:36
  the
• 13:36
  immediate
• 13:37
  move
• 13:38
  that
• 13:38
  we
• 13:38
  wanted,
• 13:38
  so
• 13:39
  we
• 13:39
  add
• 13:39
  something
• 13:39
  to
• 13:40
  that.
• 13:40
  We
• 13:40
  add
• 13:40
  another
• 13:41
  layer
• 13:41
  and
• 13:41
  we
• 13:41
  add
• 13:41
  another
• 13:42
  layer
• 13:42
  So
• 13:42
  I
• 13:43
  think
• 13:43
  leaders
• 13:43
  also
• 13:43
  have
• 13:43
  to
• 13:44
  be
• 13:44
  mindful.
• 13:46
  That's
• 13:46
  why
• 13:46
  knowing
• 13:47
  your
• 13:47
  operating
• 13:47
  system,
• 13:48
  knowing
• 13:48
  where
• 13:48
  you're
• 13:49
  going,
• 13:49
  becomes
• 13:50
  really
• 13:50
  important.
• 13:50
  Because
• 13:51
  sometimes
• 13:51
  you
• 13:51
  have
• 13:51
  to
• 13:51
  say,
• 13:52
  no,
• 13:53
  this
• 13:53
  is
• 13:53
  a
• 13:53
  great
• 13:54
  idea.
• 13:54
  This
• 13:54
  is
• 13:54
  a
• 13:55
  really
• 13:55
  good
• 13:55
  piece
• 13:55
  of
• 13:56
  work.
• 13:56
  We're
• 13:56
  not.
• 13:57
  This
• 13:57
  isn't
• 13:58
  for
• 13:58
  us
• 13:58
  right
• 13:58
  now.
• 13:59
  Right.
• 13:59
  This
• 14:00
  isn't
• 14:00
  for
• 14:00
  us
• 14:00
  right
• 14:01
  now
• 14:01
  because
• 14:01
  it's
• 14:01
  not
• 14:01
  going
• 14:01
  to
• 14:02
  get
• 14:02
  us
• 14:02
  where
• 14:03
  we're
• 14:03
  going
• 14:03
  with
• 14:03
  the
• 14:04
  current
• 14:04
  situation
• 14:04
  that
• 14:05
  we're
• 14:05
  in.
• 14:06
  They
• 14:07
  also
• 14:07
  have
• 14:07
  to
• 14:07
  be
• 14:07
  able
• 14:07
  to
• 14:07
  calibrate
• 14:09
  relentlessly.
• 14:10
  They
• 14:11
  have
• 14:11
  to
• 14:11
  understand.
• 14:14
  They
• 14:14
  have
• 14:14
  to
• 14:14
  understand
• 14:15
  what's
• 14:16
  happening
• 14:17
  at
• 14:17
  all
• 14:17
  levels
• 14:18
  of
• 14:18
  the
• 14:18
  organization.
• 14:19
  I
• 14:19
  talk
• 14:19
  to
• 14:20
  a
• 14:20
  lot
• 14:20
  of
• 14:20
  superintendents,
• 14:22
  and
• 14:22
  they're
• 14:22
  good
• 14:22
  people.
• 14:23
  They
• 14:23
  are
• 14:23
  very
• 14:24
  good
• 14:24
  people.
• 14:25
  Try
• 14:25
  to
• 14:25
  do
• 14:26
  really
• 14:26
  good
• 14:26
  work
• 14:27
  amidst
• 14:28
  intense
• 14:28
  pressure.
• 14:29
  But
• 14:29
  a
• 14:29
  lot
• 14:30
  of
• 14:30
  them,
• 14:30
  if
• 14:30
  you
• 14:30
  ask
• 14:30
  them
• 14:31
  and
• 14:31
  you
• 14:31
  start
• 14:31
  to
• 14:31
  drill
• 14:32
  down,
• 14:32
  they
• 14:33
  don't
• 14:33
  have
• 14:33
  a
• 14:33
  real
• 14:34
  good
• 14:34
  idea
• 14:34
  of
• 14:35
  what
• 14:35
  students
• 14:36
  experience.
• 14:37
  They
• 14:37
  know
• 14:38
  what.
• 14:38
  They
• 14:38
  know
• 14:38
  what
• 14:38
  the
• 14:38
  system's
• 14:39
  trying
• 14:39
  to
• 14:39
  do.
• 14:40
  They
• 14:40
  know
• 14:40
  what
• 14:40
  they're
• 14:40
  trying
• 14:41
  to
• 14:41
  do.
• 14:41
  They.
• 14:41
  They
• 14:41
  have
• 14:42
  a,
• 14:42
  you
• 14:42
  know,
• 14:42
  they
• 14:42
  know
• 14:42
  what
• 14:42
  their
• 14:43
  principles
• 14:43
  are
• 14:43
  trying
• 14:43
  to
• 14:43
  do.
• 14:43
  They
• 14:44
  know
• 14:44
  what
• 14:44
  the
• 14:44
  expectations
• 14:44
  are,
• 14:45
  but
• 14:45
  they
• 14:45
  don't.
• 14:46
  They.
• 14:46
  They
• 14:46
  don't
• 14:47
  see
• 14:47
  it
• 14:47
  all
• 14:48
  the
• 14:48
  way.
• 14:48
  Right.
• 14:49
  To
• 14:49
  what
• 14:50
  students
• 14:50
  experience.
• 14:52
  And
• 14:54
  good
• 14:54
  leaders.
• 14:56
  Bringing
• 14:56
  coherence
• 14:57
  to
• 14:57
  the
• 14:57
  org,
• 14:57
  to
• 14:57
  the.
• 14:58
  To
• 14:58
  the
• 14:58
  organization.
• 14:59
  At
• 14:59
  whatever
• 14:59
  level,
• 15:00
  you
• 15:00
  look
• 15:01
  for
• 15:01
  consistency
• 15:03
  in
• 15:04
  what
• 15:04
  students
• 15:05
  experience,
• 15:06
  because
• 15:07
  what
• 15:07
  matters
• 15:07
  most
• 15:09
  is
• 15:09
  what
• 15:09
  students
• 15:10
  experience.
• 15:12
  So
• 15:12
  protecting
• 15:14
  coherence.
• 15:15
  Remember
• 15:15
  the
• 15:15
  definition
• 15:16
  of
• 15:16
  coherence.
• 15:16
  It's
• 15:17
  when
• 15:17
  instruction,
• 15:18
  leadership,
• 15:19
  and
• 15:20
  all
• 15:20
  these
• 15:20
  systems,
• 15:21
  all
• 15:21
  these
• 15:22
  pieces
• 15:22
  come
• 15:22
  together
• 15:23
  so
• 15:23
  that
• 15:23
  what
• 15:24
  we
• 15:24
  intend
• 15:24
  is
• 15:24
  actually
• 15:24
  what
• 15:25
  students
• 15:25
  experience.
• 15:26
  Well,
• 15:27
  if
• 15:27
  you're
• 15:28
  not
• 15:28
  looking,
• 15:29
  if
• 15:29
  you're
• 15:30
  not
• 15:30
  looking
• 15:30
  at
• 15:30
  what
• 15:31
  students
• 15:31
  actually
• 15:32
  experience,
• 15:32
  there's
• 15:33
  no
• 15:33
  way
• 15:33
  that
• 15:33
  you
• 15:33
  can
• 15:33
  protect
• 15:34
  coherence,
• 15:35
  because
• 15:35
  coherence
• 15:36
  is
• 15:36
  about
• 15:37
  knowing
• 15:37
  what
• 15:37
  students
• 15:38
  actually
• 15:38
  experience.
• 15:39
  And
• 15:40
  the
• 15:40
  last
• 15:40
  thing
• 15:40
  I
• 15:40
  would
• 15:40
  say
• 15:40
  about
• 15:41
  that
• 15:41
  is
• 15:42
  under
• 15:43
  pressure.
• 15:43
  And
• 15:44
  what
• 15:44
  district,
• 15:45
  what
• 15:45
  system
• 15:45
  isn't
• 15:46
  currently
• 15:46
  under
• 15:47
  pressure?
• 15:47
  Right.
• 15:47
  Every
• 15:48
  single
• 15:48
  one
• 15:48
  of
• 15:48
  them
• 15:48
  is.
• 15:49
  But
• 15:50
  under
• 15:50
  pressure,
• 15:51
  we
• 15:51
  reveal
• 15:53
  whether
• 15:53
  humanity
• 15:54
  is
• 15:55
  truly
• 15:56
  foundational
• 15:57
  or
• 15:57
  if
• 15:58
  it's
• 15:58
  just
• 15:58
  decorative
• 15:59
  under
• 15:59
  pressure.
• 16:00
  Let's
• 16:00
  say
• 16:00
  that
• 16:00
  again.
• 16:00
  Yeah.
• 16:01
  Yes,
• 16:01
  ma'.
• 16:01
  Am.
• 16:01
  Absolutely.
• 16:02
  I'd
• 16:02
  be
• 16:02
  happy
• 16:03
  to
• 16:03
  say
• 16:03
  that
• 16:03
  again.
• 16:03
  And
• 16:04
  then
• 16:04
  let's
• 16:04
  talk
• 16:04
  about
• 16:04
  that.
• 16:04
  Right.
• 16:05
  Under
• 16:05
  pressure,
• 16:07
  systems,
• 16:08
  schools,
• 16:09
  districts,
• 16:10
  classrooms,
• 16:11
  whatever
• 16:12
  level,
• 16:12
  they
• 16:13
  reveal
• 16:13
  whether
• 16:14
  humanity
• 16:15
  is
• 16:16
  foundational,
• 16:17
  it's
• 16:18
  really
• 16:18
  there
• 16:18
  at
• 16:18
  the
• 16:19
  core,
• 16:20
  or
• 16:20
  if
• 16:20
  it's
• 16:20
  merely
• 16:21
  decorative.
• 16:23
  And
• 16:23
  we
• 16:23
  know.
• 16:24
  We
• 16:24
  know
• 16:25
  based
• 16:25
  on
• 16:25
  what
• 16:25
  students
• 16:25
  experience.
• 16:26
  I'm
• 16:26
  sorry,
• 16:27
  Dr.
• 16:27
  Monroe.
• 16:28
  No,
• 16:28
  that's
• 16:28
  okay.
• 16:29
  I
• 16:29
  was
• 16:29
  going
• 16:29
  to
• 16:30
  say,
• 16:30
  Grant.
• 16:30
  That's
• 16:30
  a.
• 16:31
  Dr.
• 16:31
  Chandler,
• 16:32
  that's
• 16:32
  a
• 16:32
  real.
• 16:32
  Because
• 16:33
  you
• 16:33
  see
• 16:33
  me
• 16:33
  leaning
• 16:34
  in,
• 16:34
  so
• 16:34
  you
• 16:34
  don't
• 16:34
  want
• 16:34
  to
• 16:35
  have
• 16:35
  that
• 16:35
  conversation,
• 16:36
  right?
• 16:36
  Yes,
• 16:37
  ma'.
• 16:37
  Am.
• 16:38
  All
• 16:38
  right.
• 16:39
  That's
• 16:39
  a
• 16:39
  real
• 16:40
  powerful
• 16:41
  statement.
• 16:43
  So
• 16:43
  as
• 16:43
  I
• 16:43
  was
• 16:43
  churning
• 16:44
  and
• 16:45
  processing
• 16:46
  everything
• 16:46
  that
• 16:47
  you
• 16:47
  just
• 16:47
  eloquently
• 16:48
  presented,
• 16:50
  I
• 16:50
  reflected
• 16:51
  on
• 16:51
  my
• 16:52
  role
• 16:52
  as
• 16:53
  a
• 16:53
  former
• 16:53
  principal
• 16:54
  of
• 16:54
  a
• 16:54
  high
• 16:54
  school,
• 16:56
  a
• 16:56
  former
• 16:56
  assistant
• 16:57
  superintendent,
• 16:59
  and
• 17:00
  there
• 17:00
  are
• 17:00
  habits
• 17:01
  of
• 17:01
  leadership
• 17:03
  that
• 17:03
  were
• 17:03
  just
• 17:04
  organic
• 17:04
  and
• 17:05
  authentic
• 17:05
  to
• 17:06
  my
• 17:06
  being.
• 17:07
  One
• 17:08
  thing
• 17:08
  is
• 17:08
  that
• 17:10
  coherence
• 17:11
  and
• 17:11
  alignment
• 17:12
  were
• 17:12
  sacred
• 17:12
  space
• 17:14
  that
• 17:14
  was
• 17:14
  non
• 17:15
  negotiable.
• 17:16
  But
• 17:16
  that's
• 17:17
  a
• 17:17
  heavy
• 17:17
  lift
• 17:18
  because
• 17:18
  you're
• 17:19
  constantly
• 17:20
  fighting
• 17:20
  and
• 17:20
  pushing
• 17:21
  against
• 17:21
  barriers
• 17:23
  to
• 17:23
  maintain
• 17:24
  that
• 17:24
  sacred
• 17:25
  space
• 17:25
  so
• 17:25
  that
• 17:26
  you
• 17:26
  can
• 17:26
  truly
• 17:27
  achieve
• 17:28
  a
• 17:28
  real
• 17:28
  culture
• 17:29
  of
• 17:29
  learning
• 17:30
  and
• 17:30
  growth.
• 17:32
  Student
• 17:32
  and
• 17:33
  educator
• 17:34
  experience
• 17:34
  where
• 17:35
  they
• 17:35
  thrive,
• 17:36
  not
• 17:36
  just
• 17:37
  exist,
• 17:38
  and
• 17:39
  in
• 17:39
  some
• 17:39
  cases
• 17:40
  barely
• 17:41
  exists.
• 17:43
  Can
• 17:43
  you
• 17:44
  talk
• 17:44
  about
• 17:44
  some
• 17:44
  of
• 17:45
  those
• 17:45
  leadership
• 17:45
  habits?
• 17:46
  Because
• 17:47
  I
• 17:47
  know
• 17:47
  you
• 17:47
  elevate
• 17:48
  them
• 17:48
  in
• 17:48
  tactical
• 17:49
  leadership
• 17:50
  that
• 17:50
  leaders
• 17:51
  must
• 17:51
  consider
• 17:52
  sacred
• 17:53
  and
• 17:53
  non
• 17:53
  negotiable
• 17:55
  in
• 17:55
  order
• 17:55
  to
• 17:56
  move
• 17:56
  the
• 17:56
  needle.
• 17:57
  So
• 17:57
  I
• 17:57
  think
• 17:57
  one
• 17:57
  of
• 17:58
  the
• 17:58
  things
• 17:58
  that
• 18:00
  I
• 18:00
  just
• 18:00
  published
• 18:01
  the
• 18:01
  second
• 18:02
  course,
• 18:02
  which
• 18:02
  is
• 18:02
  the
• 18:02
  cognitive
• 18:03
  architecture
• 18:04
  of
• 18:04
  tactical
• 18:05
  leadership,
• 18:05
  and
• 18:05
  one
• 18:06
  of
• 18:06
  the
• 18:06
  things
• 18:06
  that
• 18:07
  I
• 18:07
  say
• 18:07
  over
• 18:07
  and
• 18:08
  over
• 18:08
  there
• 18:09
  is
• 18:09
  that
• 18:11
  tactical
• 18:12
  leaders
• 18:12
  have
• 18:12
  to
• 18:12
  really
• 18:12
  be
• 18:13
  able
• 18:13
  to
• 18:13
  see
• 18:13
  the
• 18:13
  landscape.
• 18:14
  They
• 18:14
  have
• 18:15
  to
• 18:15
  be
• 18:15
  able
• 18:15
  to
• 18:15
  see
• 18:15
  what's
• 18:16
  really
• 18:16
  happening
• 18:17
  underneath,
• 18:18
  what
• 18:18
  is
• 18:18
  visible,
• 18:19
  right?
• 18:20
  Oftentimes
• 18:21
  the
• 18:21
  real
• 18:21
  story
• 18:22
  is,
• 18:22
  isn't
• 18:23
  what
• 18:23
  you
• 18:23
  can
• 18:23
  actually
• 18:24
  see
• 18:24
  and
• 18:24
  observe.
• 18:25
  There's
• 18:26
  undercurrent,
• 18:27
  there's
• 18:27
  all
• 18:27
  sorts
• 18:28
  of
• 18:28
  things
• 18:28
  happening
• 18:28
  under
• 18:29
  the
• 18:29
  surface.
• 18:30
  So
• 18:30
  they
• 18:30
  have
• 18:30
  to
• 18:31
  be
• 18:31
  able
• 18:31
  to
• 18:31
  see,
• 18:31
  they
• 18:31
  have
• 18:31
  to
• 18:32
  be
• 18:32
  able
• 18:32
  to
• 18:33
  interpret
• 18:33
  accurately
• 18:35
  what
• 18:35
  the
• 18:35
  landscape
• 18:36
  is.
• 18:36
  And
• 18:37
  then
• 18:37
  they
• 18:37
  have
• 18:37
  to
• 18:37
  figure
• 18:37
  out
• 18:38
  how
• 18:38
  to
• 18:38
  bring
• 18:39
  themselves
• 18:39
  into
• 18:39
  that
• 18:39
  equation.
• 18:41
  And
• 18:41
  so
• 18:41
  I
• 18:42
  think
• 18:42
  one
• 18:42
  of
• 18:42
  the
• 18:42
  things
• 18:43
  that
• 18:43
  becomes
• 18:43
  really
• 18:44
  important
• 18:44
  is
• 18:44
  that
• 18:44
  we
• 18:45
  teach
• 18:45
  tactical
• 18:46
  leaders
• 18:46
  how
• 18:47
  to
• 18:47
  pause.
• 18:48
  You
• 18:48
  don't
• 18:49
  have
• 18:49
  to
• 18:49
  respond
• 18:49
  immediately.
• 18:50
  I
• 18:50
  mean,
• 18:51
  there
• 18:51
  are
• 18:51
  emergencies
• 18:52
  where
• 18:53
  you
• 18:53
  have
• 18:53
  to
• 18:53
  respond
• 18:54
  immediately,
• 18:54
  right?
• 18:55
  But
• 18:55
  there
• 18:55
  are
• 18:55
  things
• 18:56
  that
• 18:57
  you
• 18:57
  need
• 18:57
  to
• 18:57
  understand
• 18:58
  better
• 18:58
  first,
• 18:59
  right?
• 18:59
  And
• 18:59
  you
• 18:59
  don't
• 19:00
  just
• 19:00
  make
• 19:00
  a
• 19:00
  decision
• 19:00
  and
• 19:01
  go,
• 19:01
  but
• 19:02
  you
• 19:02
  really
• 19:02
  got
• 19:02
  to
• 19:02
  read
• 19:03
  the
• 19:03
  landscape.
• 19:03
  You
• 19:03
  got
• 19:03
  to
• 19:04
  orient.
• 19:04
  You've
• 19:04
  got
• 19:05
  to
• 19:05
  think
• 19:05
  about
• 19:06
  the
• 19:06
  possible
• 19:07
  moves
• 19:07
  that
• 19:08
  you
• 19:08
  could
• 19:08
  make.
• 19:09
  And
• 19:09
  you
• 19:09
  also
• 19:09
  have
• 19:09
  to
• 19:09
  then
• 19:10
  be
• 19:10
  able
• 19:10
  to
• 19:10
  read
• 19:10
  the
• 19:10
  terrain.
• 19:11
  Like,
• 19:11
  okay,
• 19:11
  so
• 19:12
  maybe
• 19:12
  this
• 19:12
  is
• 19:12
  a
• 19:13
  great
• 19:13
  decision.
• 19:14
  This
• 19:14
  solves
• 19:15
  the
• 19:15
  problem.
• 19:16
  But
• 19:17
  is
• 19:17
  this
• 19:17
  okay
• 19:18
  for
• 19:18
  my
• 19:18
  people?
• 19:18
  Can
• 19:19
  they
• 19:19
  do
• 19:19
  this?
• 19:20
  Can
• 19:20
  they
• 19:21
  do
• 19:21
  this?
• 19:21
  Are
• 19:21
  they
• 19:21
  ready
• 19:22
  for
• 19:22
  this?
• 19:23
  Is
• 19:23
  this
• 19:23
  going
• 19:24
  to
• 19:24
  be
• 19:24
  a
• 19:24
  huge
• 19:25
  leap
• 19:25
  for
• 19:26
  them?
• 19:26
  Is
• 19:26
  this
• 19:26
  going
• 19:27
  to
• 19:27
  push
• 19:27
  them
• 19:27
  over
• 19:27
  the
• 19:28
  brink?
• 19:29
  Because
• 19:30
  in
• 19:30
  reality,
• 19:30
  right,
• 19:31
  the
• 19:31
  decisions
• 19:32
  that
• 19:32
  we
• 19:32
  make,
• 19:33
  they
• 19:33
  get
• 19:34
  brought
• 19:34
  to
• 19:34
  fruition
• 19:34
  by
• 19:35
  other
• 19:35
  people.
• 19:36
  We
• 19:36
  got
• 19:36
  to
• 19:37
  make
• 19:37
  sure
• 19:37
  that
• 19:37
  we
• 19:37
  can
• 19:37
  read
• 19:37
  the
• 19:38
  human
• 19:38
  terrain.
• 19:39
  And
• 19:39
  then,
• 19:39
  of
• 19:39
  course,
• 19:39
  we
• 19:40
  have
• 19:40
  to
• 19:40
  be
• 19:41
  able
• 19:41
  to
• 19:41
  see
• 19:42
  all
• 19:42
  the
• 19:43
  way
• 19:43
  through
• 19:43
  to
• 19:45
  what
• 19:45
  Students
• 19:46
  are
• 19:46
  going
• 19:46
  to
• 19:46
  experience
• 19:47
  as
• 19:47
  a
• 19:47
  result
• 19:47
  of
• 19:48
  those
• 19:48
  decisions.
• 19:49
  So
• 19:49
  I
• 19:49
  think,
• 19:50
  again,
• 19:51
  we
• 19:51
  try
• 19:51
  to
• 19:51
  give
• 19:52
  these
• 19:53
  leaders
• 19:53
  all
• 19:53
  of
• 19:53
  these
• 19:54
  tools
• 19:54
  so
• 19:54
  that
• 19:54
  it's
• 19:55
  not
• 19:55
  so
• 19:55
  overwhelming
• 19:56
  to
• 19:56
  do
• 19:56
  all
• 19:56
  of
• 19:57
  that
• 19:57
  and
• 19:57
  that
• 19:57
  you
• 19:58
  can
• 19:58
  do
• 19:58
  it
• 19:58
  relatively
• 19:59
  quickly
• 20:02
  and
• 20:02
  not
• 20:02
  just
• 20:03
  be
• 20:03
  staring
• 20:03
  off
• 20:03
  into
• 20:04
  space
• 20:04
  trying
• 20:04
  to
• 20:04
  figure
• 20:04
  it
• 20:05
  all
• 20:05
  out.
• 20:05
  We
• 20:05
  have
• 20:06
  tools
• 20:06
  to
• 20:06
  help
• 20:06
  you
• 20:06
  do
• 20:06
  all
• 20:07
  of
• 20:07
  that.
• 20:07
  But
• 20:07
  I
• 20:07
  think
• 20:07
  that
• 20:08
  one
• 20:08
  of
• 20:08
  the
• 20:08
  things
• 20:08
  that
• 20:09
  leaders
• 20:10
  don't
• 20:10
  do
• 20:11
  is
• 20:12
  pause
• 20:12
  long
• 20:13
  enough
• 20:13
  to
• 20:13
  really.
• 20:13
  To
• 20:14
  really
• 20:14
  think
• 20:14
  through
• 20:15
  all
• 20:15
  of
• 20:15
  that
• 20:15
  before
• 20:16
  they
• 20:16
  make
• 20:16
  a
• 20:16
  move.
• 20:17
  Because
• 20:17
  the
• 20:17
  pressure's
• 20:17
  on.
• 20:18
  Pressure's
• 20:18
  on.
• 20:19
  Right.
• 20:19
  You
• 20:19
  got
• 20:19
  somebody
• 20:20
  bugging
• 20:20
  you
• 20:21
  for
• 20:21
  something
• 20:21
  immediately.
• 20:23
  Dr.
• 20:23
  Chandler,
• 20:23
  it
• 20:24
  sounds
• 20:24
  also
• 20:24
  like
• 20:25
  living
• 20:26
  inside
• 20:26
  the
• 20:27
  process
• 20:27
  of
• 20:28
  coherence
• 20:30
  is
• 20:30
  an
• 20:31
  obligation
• 20:32
  that
• 20:32
  schools
• 20:34
  really
• 20:34
  have
• 20:35
  to
• 20:35
  invest
• 20:36
  in
• 20:36
  the
• 20:36
  development
• 20:37
  of
• 20:37
  student
• 20:37
  voice.
• 20:38
  Is
• 20:38
  that
• 20:38
  accurate?
• 20:39
  It's
• 20:39
  absolutely
• 20:40
  accurate.
• 20:40
  Right.
• 20:41
  And
• 20:42
  not
• 20:42
  only
• 20:42
  do
• 20:42
  we
• 20:42
  need
• 20:42
  to
• 20:43
  listen
• 20:43
  to
• 20:44
  student
• 20:44
  voice,
• 20:45
  we
• 20:45
  need
• 20:45
  to
• 20:45
  build
• 20:45
  a
• 20:45
  system
• 20:46
  with
• 20:46
  student
• 20:46
  voice.
• 20:48
  We
• 20:48
  have
• 20:49
  to
• 20:49
  remember
• 20:50
  that
• 20:51
  in
• 20:51
  order
• 20:51
  to
• 20:52
  stop
• 20:52
  hurting
• 20:53
  students,
• 20:54
  we
• 20:55
  have
• 20:55
  to
• 20:55
  stop
• 20:55
  doing
• 20:56
  things
• 20:56
  to
• 20:57
  them.
• 20:58
  We
• 20:58
  got
• 20:58
  to
• 20:59
  do
• 20:59
  things
• 20:59
  with
• 21:00
  them.
• 21:01
  Some
• 21:01
  of
• 21:01
  the
• 21:01
  best
• 21:01
  work
• 21:02
  is
• 21:03
  designed
• 21:04
  with
• 21:04
  students.
• 21:05
  They
• 21:05
  may
• 21:05
  not
• 21:06
  have
• 21:06
  the
• 21:06
  degree,
• 21:07
  they
• 21:07
  may
• 21:07
  not
• 21:07
  have,
• 21:08
  you
• 21:08
  know,
• 21:08
  the
• 21:09
  technical
• 21:09
  language
• 21:10
  for
• 21:10
  what
• 21:11
  we're
• 21:11
  doing,
• 21:11
  and
• 21:11
  they
• 21:11
  may
• 21:12
  not
• 21:12
  understand
• 21:12
  all
• 21:12
  the
• 21:13
  state
• 21:13
  laws
• 21:13
  and
• 21:13
  all
• 21:14
  the
• 21:14
  state
• 21:14
  mandates.
• 21:14
  Right.
• 21:15
  They
• 21:15
  don't
• 21:15
  need
• 21:15
  to.
• 21:16
  They
• 21:16
  don't
• 21:16
  need
• 21:16
  to.
• 21:16
  That's
• 21:17
  not
• 21:17
  where
• 21:17
  they
• 21:17
  live.
• 21:18
  But
• 21:18
  they
• 21:18
  can
• 21:18
  tell
• 21:18
  you
• 21:20
  with
• 21:21
  100%
• 21:21
  confidence,
• 21:23
  they
• 21:23
  can
• 21:23
  tell
• 21:23
  you
• 21:23
  what's
• 21:24
  working
• 21:24
  for
• 21:24
  them,
• 21:25
  what's
• 21:25
  not
• 21:25
  working
• 21:26
  for
• 21:26
  them,
• 21:26
  and
• 21:26
  what
• 21:27
  they
• 21:27
  need.
• 21:28
  A
• 21:28
  district
• 21:28
  can't
• 21:29
  bring
• 21:29
  coherence
• 21:31
  to
• 21:32
  its
• 21:32
  system
• 21:33
  without
• 21:35
  embracing
• 21:36
  student
• 21:37
  voice
• 21:37
  and
• 21:37
  doing
• 21:38
  that
• 21:38
  work
• 21:38
  with
• 21:38
  them.
• 21:40
  And
• 21:41
  the
• 21:41
  significance
• 21:42
  of
• 21:43
  all.
• 21:44
  So
• 21:45
  you've
• 21:46
  used
• 21:46
  this,
• 21:48
  leaders
• 21:49
  with
• 21:50
  being
• 21:51
  plural,
• 21:52
  so
• 21:52
  really
• 21:53
  understanding,
• 21:53
  and
• 21:54
  we've
• 21:54
  talked
• 21:54
  about
• 21:54
  this
• 21:54
  multiple
• 21:55
  times,
• 21:56
  that
• 21:57
  all
• 21:57
  of
• 21:58
  that
• 21:58
  work,
• 21:58
  that
• 21:58
  coherence
• 21:59
  that
• 21:59
  you're
• 21:59
  talking
• 22:00
  about,
• 22:01
  and
• 22:01
  understanding
• 22:02
  that
• 22:04
  the
• 22:05
  leader
• 22:05
  oftentimes
• 22:06
  the
• 22:06
  superintendent
• 22:07
  within
• 22:07
  a
• 22:08
  district
• 22:09
  having
• 22:09
  those
• 22:09
  skills
• 22:10
  and
• 22:10
  understanding
• 22:11
  alone
• 22:13
  isn't
• 22:14
  going
• 22:14
  to
• 22:14
  ensure
• 22:15
  that
• 22:15
  there's
• 22:15
  coherence
• 22:16
  across
• 22:16
  the
• 22:16
  district.
• 22:17
  Right.
• 22:18
  Or
• 22:18
  the
• 22:18
  organization.
• 22:19
  So
• 22:19
  really
• 22:20
  knowing
• 22:20
  that
• 22:21
  it
• 22:21
  takes
• 22:22
  a
• 22:22
  team
• 22:23
  of
• 22:24
  leaders
• 22:25
  at
• 22:25
  whatever
• 22:26
  level
• 22:26
  within
• 22:27
  that
• 22:27
  district
• 22:27
  or
• 22:28
  organization
• 22:29
  to
• 22:30
  be
• 22:30
  able
• 22:30
  to
• 22:30
  ensure
• 22:31
  the
• 22:32
  coherence.
• 22:33
  Because
• 22:34
  each
• 22:34
  of
• 22:35
  us,
• 22:35
  regardless
• 22:36
  of
• 22:37
  our
• 22:37
  role
• 22:37
  in
• 22:38
  the
• 22:38
  district,
• 22:38
  feels
• 22:39
  those
• 22:39
  pressures,
• 22:40
  feels
• 22:42
  the
• 22:43
  need
• 22:43
  to
• 22:43
  respond.
• 22:44
  All
• 22:44
  of
• 22:44
  those
• 22:45
  pieces
• 22:45
  that
• 22:46
  you've
• 22:46
  talked
• 22:46
  about,
• 22:47
  and
• 22:47
  if
• 22:47
  we're
• 22:48
  all
• 22:48
  acting
• 22:49
  with
• 22:49
  a
• 22:50
  sense
• 22:50
  of
• 22:50
  urgency
• 22:51
  and
• 22:51
  responding
• 22:52
  and
• 22:52
  not
• 22:52
  pausing,
• 22:54
  then
• 22:55
  with
• 22:55
  their.
• 22:56
  Obviously,
• 22:57
  then
• 22:57
  the
• 22:58
  incoherence
• 22:59
  is
• 23:00
  happening.
• 23:01
  So
• 23:01
  even
• 23:02
  when
• 23:02
  you
• 23:02
  talked
• 23:02
  about
• 23:03
  this
• 23:03
  pressure
• 23:03
  of
• 23:04
  making
• 23:04
  these
• 23:04
  decisions,
• 23:05
  and
• 23:05
  I
• 23:05
  was
• 23:05
  thinking
• 23:06
  about
• 23:07
  money
• 23:08
  being
• 23:08
  thrown
• 23:09
  at
• 23:09
  districts,
• 23:10
  so
• 23:10
  if
• 23:11
  you
• 23:11
  do
• 23:11
  this,
• 23:11
  then
• 23:12
  you
• 23:12
  get
• 23:12
  this
• 23:12
  pot
• 23:13
  of
• 23:13
  money
• 23:13
  if
• 23:13
  you
• 23:13
  do
• 23:13
  that
• 23:14
  and
• 23:14
  knowing
• 23:15
  that
• 23:16
  those
• 23:16
  pressures
• 23:18
  are
• 23:19
  real.
• 23:21
  So
• 23:21
  really
• 23:22
  thinking
• 23:22
  about
• 23:23
  the
• 23:24
  real,
• 23:24
  you
• 23:25
  know,
• 23:25
  the
• 23:25
  reality
• 23:26
  of
• 23:26
  what,
• 23:27
  what's
• 23:27
  happening
• 23:27
  in
• 23:28
  districts
• 23:28
  and
• 23:29
  knowing
• 23:29
  that
• 23:30
  if
• 23:31
  we
• 23:31
  don't
• 23:32
  pause,
• 23:32
  if
• 23:33
  we
• 23:33
  don't
• 23:33
  listen
• 23:35
  to
• 23:35
  student,
• 23:35
  to
• 23:36
  our
• 23:36
  students,
• 23:37
  then
• 23:39
  the
• 23:39
  cost
• 23:40
  of
• 23:40
  incoherent
• 23:41
  adult
• 23:42
  systems
• 23:43
  is
• 23:44
  real.
• 23:45
  Right?
• 23:45
  So
• 23:46
  what,
• 23:46
  what
• 23:47
  that
• 23:47
  looks
• 23:47
  like
• 23:47
  and
• 23:48
  what
• 23:48
  happens?
• 23:50
  So
• 23:50
  as
• 23:50
  we're
• 23:51
  all,
• 23:51
  all
• 23:51
  of
• 23:51
  these
• 23:51
  competing
• 23:52
  efforts,
• 23:53
  all
• 23:53
  of
• 23:53
  these
• 23:54
  adult
• 23:55
  behaviors
• 23:57
  that
• 23:58
  are
• 23:58
  incoherent,
• 24:01
  what's
• 24:01
  happening
• 24:02
  to
• 24:02
  students
• 24:03
  inside
• 24:03
  of
• 24:03
  this.
• 24:04
  So
• 24:05
  what
• 24:05
  you
• 24:05
  see.
• 24:06
  Well,
• 24:06
  I'm
• 24:07
  going
• 24:07
  to
• 24:07
  go
• 24:07
  back
• 24:07
  to
• 24:08
  Alicia
• 24:08
  in
• 24:08
  just
• 24:08
  a
• 24:08
  moment,
• 24:09
  but
• 24:09
  if
• 24:09
  students
• 24:09
  are
• 24:10
  living
• 24:10
  in
• 24:10
  incoherent
• 24:11
  systems,
• 24:11
  experience
• 24:13
  unpredictability,
• 24:14
  they
• 24:14
  have
• 24:14
  no
• 24:15
  idea
• 24:15
  what.
• 24:15
  They
• 24:16
  have
• 24:16
  no
• 24:16
  idea
• 24:16
  what's
• 24:16
  coming
• 24:17
  next.
• 24:17
  There's
• 24:17
  inequity,
• 24:18
  there's
• 24:19
  inconsistent
• 24:20
  expectations
• 24:21
  for
• 24:21
  a
• 24:21
  lot
• 24:21
  of
• 24:22
  different
• 24:22
  reasons.
• 24:22
  Some
• 24:22
  of
• 24:23
  them
• 24:23
  are
• 24:23
  really
• 24:23
  dark.
• 24:24
  Why
• 24:24
  we
• 24:24
  have
• 24:24
  inconsistent
• 24:25
  expectations,
• 24:26
  right?
• 24:27
  Because
• 24:27
  then
• 24:27
  you
• 24:27
  bring
• 24:27
  in
• 24:28
  all,
• 24:29
  we
• 24:29
  bring
• 24:30
  individual
• 24:30
  people's
• 24:30
  biases
• 24:31
  and
• 24:32
  prejudice
• 24:32
  into
• 24:32
  that,
• 24:33
  and
• 24:34
  we
• 24:34
  know
• 24:34
  that
• 24:34
  children
• 24:35
  are
• 24:35
  marginalized
• 24:36
  in
• 24:36
  school.
• 24:36
  So
• 24:37
  then
• 24:37
  you
• 24:37
  bring
• 24:37
  in
• 24:38
  inconsistent
• 24:39
  expectations
• 24:39
  and
• 24:40
  all
• 24:40
  of
• 24:40
  that
• 24:41
  ugliness
• 24:41
  that's
• 24:42
  there.
• 24:42
  Disconnected
• 24:43
  support,
• 24:45
  performative
• 24:46
  innovation.
• 24:48
  They
• 24:48
  experience
• 24:49
  what
• 24:49
  they
• 24:49
  call.
• 24:50
  Right.
• 24:50
  They
• 24:51
  experience
• 24:51
  being
• 24:51
  herded
• 24:52
  like
• 24:52
  a
• 24:52
  bay
• 24:53
  ole
• 24:53
  group
• 24:54
  of
• 24:54
  cattle
• 24:54
  toward
• 24:55
  whatever
• 24:55
  finish
• 24:56
  line
• 24:56
  it
• 24:57
  is.
• 24:57
  They
• 24:57
  don't
• 24:58
  experience,
• 25:00
  they
• 25:01
  don't
• 25:01
  experience
• 25:01
  the
• 25:01
  opposite
• 25:02
  of
• 25:02
  that.
• 25:02
  So
• 25:03
  we
• 25:03
  had
• 25:04
  Dr.
• 25:04
  Rhonda
• 25:04
  Simli,
• 25:05
  who
• 25:05
  was
• 25:05
  a
• 25:05
  principal
• 25:06
  of
• 25:06
  a
• 25:06
  middle
• 25:06
  school,
• 25:07
  middle
• 25:07
  school
• 25:08
  on,
• 25:09
  during
• 25:09
  our
• 25:10
  season
• 25:10
  and
• 25:11
  to
• 25:11
  understand
• 25:12
  the
• 25:13
  burden
• 25:13
  and
• 25:14
  the
• 25:14
  weight
• 25:14
  of
• 25:15
  that
• 25:15
  job
• 25:16
  is
• 25:16
  unbelievable
• 25:17
  because
• 25:18
  she
• 25:18
  does
• 25:19
  empower
• 25:19
  student
• 25:20
  voice,
• 25:20
  which
• 25:21
  means
• 25:21
  she
• 25:21
  is
• 25:21
  also
• 25:22
  an
• 25:22
  advocate
• 25:23
  for
• 25:24
  what
• 25:24
  is
• 25:24
  best
• 25:24
  for
• 25:24
  students
• 25:25
  and
• 25:25
  she
• 25:25
  wants
• 25:26
  her,
• 25:26
  her
• 25:26
  teachers
• 25:27
  to
• 25:27
  thrive.
• 25:29
  But
• 25:29
  as
• 25:29
  Michael
• 25:30
  talked
• 25:30
  about,
• 25:30
  it
• 25:30
  is
• 25:31
  a
• 25:31
  system
• 25:31
  within
• 25:31
  a
• 25:32
  system.
• 25:33
  So
• 25:33
  her
• 25:33
  middle
• 25:34
  school
• 25:34
  is
• 25:34
  a
• 25:34
  subsystem
• 25:36
  of
• 25:37
  what
• 25:37
  she
• 25:37
  envisions
• 25:38
  to
• 25:38
  be
• 25:39
  excellence
• 25:40
  empowered
• 25:41
  by
• 25:42
  a
• 25:42
  participatory
• 25:43
  practice
• 25:44
  where
• 25:44
  everyone
• 25:45
  is
• 25:45
  democratic
• 25:46
  in
• 25:47
  how
• 25:47
  that
• 25:47
  is
• 25:47
  run.
• 25:48
  And
• 25:48
  she
• 25:49
  actually
• 25:50
  holds
• 25:51
  the
• 25:51
  weight
• 25:51
  of
• 25:51
  that
• 25:52
  and
• 25:52
  she
• 25:52
  knows
• 25:53
  what
• 25:53
  she
• 25:53
  has
• 25:53
  to
• 25:54
  decide
• 25:54
  on.
• 25:55
  But
• 25:55
  then
• 25:55
  she
• 25:55
  does
• 25:56
  give
• 25:56
  pieces
• 25:56
  away.
• 25:57
  But
• 25:58
  the,
• 25:59
  the
• 25:59
  overarching
• 26:00
  system
• 26:02
  is
• 26:02
  not
• 26:03
  shaped
• 26:03
  like
• 26:03
  that.
• 26:04
  It's
• 26:04
  traditional
• 26:05
  in
• 26:05
  its
• 26:05
  status
• 26:06
  quo.
• 26:06
  And
• 26:07
  the
• 26:07
  exhaustion
• 26:08
  doesn't
• 26:09
  come
• 26:09
  necessarily
• 26:10
  from
• 26:10
  the
• 26:10
  work
• 26:11
  to
• 26:11
  move
• 26:11
  her
• 26:11
  vision
• 26:12
  forward.
• 26:13
  It
• 26:13
  comes
• 26:13
  from
• 26:14
  the
• 26:14
  fact
• 26:14
  that
• 26:14
  she
• 26:15
  literally
• 26:15
  has
• 26:16
  to
• 26:16
  put
• 26:17
  guardrails
• 26:18
  up
• 26:18
  against
• 26:18
  a
• 26:19
  system
• 26:20
  that
• 26:20
  tries
• 26:20
  to
• 26:20
  taint
• 26:21
  the
• 26:21
  vision,
• 26:22
  her
• 26:22
  vision
• 26:23
  from
• 26:23
  moving
• 26:24
  forward
• 26:25
  for
• 26:25
  participatory
• 26:26
  democratic
• 26:27
  practice
• 26:28
  that
• 26:28
  she
• 26:28
  would
• 26:28
  like
• 26:29
  to
• 26:29
  maintain
• 26:30
  within
• 26:30
  her
• 26:31
  school.
• 26:32
  So
• 26:33
  it's
• 26:33
  the
• 26:34
  weight
• 26:34
  that
• 26:35
  come
• 26:35
  from
• 26:35
  the
• 26:35
  act
• 26:36
  of
• 26:36
  doing
• 26:36
  the
• 26:36
  work
• 26:37
  itself.
• 26:37
  It
• 26:38
  comes
• 26:38
  from
• 26:38
  being
• 26:39
  guardrail
• 26:40
  towards
• 26:41
  perturbations
• 26:42
  that
• 26:42
  could
• 26:42
  actually
• 26:43
  hit
• 26:43
  the
• 26:43
  substance.
• 26:45
  She's
• 26:45
  fighting
• 26:46
  for
• 26:46
  her
• 26:46
  destination
• 26:47
  to
• 26:48
  achieve
• 26:48
  her
• 26:48
  North
• 26:49
  Star.
• 26:49
  She's
• 26:50
  fighting
• 26:50
  because
• 26:51
  that
• 26:51
  is
• 26:51
  her
• 26:52
  vision,
• 26:52
  that
• 26:52
  is
• 26:53
  her
• 26:53
  goal,
• 26:54
  that
• 26:54
  is
• 26:54
  her
• 26:54
  third
• 26:55
  eye,
• 26:55
  that
• 26:55
  is
• 26:55
  her
• 26:56
  P
• 26:56
  space.
• 26:57
  And
• 26:58
  this
• 26:58
  is
• 26:58
  real
• 26:59
  in
• 27:00
  so
• 27:01
  many
• 27:01
  different
• 27:02
  spaces.
• 27:03
  Whether
• 27:03
  we're
• 27:03
  face
• 27:04
  to
• 27:04
  face,
• 27:05
  whether
• 27:05
  we're
• 27:05
  virtual,
• 27:06
  whether
• 27:07
  we're
• 27:07
  sitting
• 27:07
  in
• 27:07
  higher
• 27:08
  ed
• 27:08
  classrooms.
• 27:09
  It's
• 27:10
  a
• 27:10
  subsystem
• 27:11
  of
• 27:11
  this,
• 27:12
  this
• 27:12
  culture
• 27:13
  of
• 27:13
  learning
• 27:13
  and
• 27:13
  growth
• 27:14
  that's
• 27:14
  transformational
• 27:15
  and
• 27:15
  transformative
• 27:16
  in
• 27:16
  its
• 27:17
  practice.
• 27:17
  That
• 27:18
  is
• 27:18
  sitting
• 27:19
  within
• 27:19
  a
• 27:20
  traditionally
• 27:21
  historic
• 27:21
  status
• 27:22
  quo
• 27:22
  system
• 27:23
  that
• 27:24
  is
• 27:25
  up
• 27:25
  and
• 27:26
  down
• 27:26
  rather
• 27:27
  than
• 27:27
  horizontal.
• 27:29
  And
• 27:29
  I
• 27:29
  wanted
• 27:30
  us
• 27:30
  to
• 27:30
  talk
• 27:30
  about
• 27:30
  this.
• 27:31
  That
• 27:31
  was
• 27:31
  a
• 27:31
  great
• 27:32
  thought,
• 27:32
  Kathy,
• 27:32
  that
• 27:33
  you
• 27:33
  put
• 27:33
  forward
• 27:33
  and
• 27:34
  it
• 27:34
  just
• 27:34
  prompted
• 27:35
  me
• 27:35
  to
• 27:36
  want
• 27:36
  to
• 27:36
  add
• 27:36
  this
• 27:37
  piece.
• 27:37
  So
• 27:38
  think
• 27:39
  about,
• 27:39
  right,
• 27:39
  Think
• 27:39
  about
• 27:40
  what
• 27:40
  happens
• 27:40
  when
• 27:42
  we
• 27:42
  said
• 27:42
  earlier
• 27:42
  when
• 27:43
  students
• 27:43
  experience
• 27:44
  incoherence,
• 27:45
  right?
• 27:46
  Incoherence,
• 27:47
  the
• 27:47
  inequity,
• 27:49
  the
• 27:50
  different
• 27:51
  expectations,
• 27:51
  inconsistent
• 27:52
  expectations,
• 27:53
  inconsistent
• 27:54
  support.
• 27:55
  So
• 27:57
  ideally,
• 27:58
  districts.
• 27:59
  And
• 28:00
  again,
• 28:00
  this
• 28:00
  is
• 28:00
  an
• 28:01
  ideal
• 28:01
  world,
• 28:01
  right?
• 28:02
  Ideally,
• 28:03
  districts
• 28:03
  would
• 28:05
  do
• 28:05
  this
• 28:05
  work
• 28:05
  together.
• 28:06
  We
• 28:07
  really
• 28:07
  wanted
• 28:08
  to
• 28:08
  accelerate
• 28:09
  and
• 28:09
  we
• 28:09
  really
• 28:10
  wanted.
• 28:11
  We
• 28:12
  really
• 28:12
  wanted
• 28:12
  students
• 28:12
  to
• 28:13
  experience
• 28:14
  the
• 28:14
  things
• 28:14
  that
• 28:15
  we
• 28:15
  all
• 28:15
  say
• 28:15
  we
• 28:16
  want
• 28:16
  students
• 28:16
  to
• 28:16
  experience.
• 28:17
  Then
• 28:18
  we
• 28:18
  would
• 28:18
  do
• 28:18
  this
• 28:19
  systemically.
• 28:20
  All
• 28:20
  of
• 28:20
  our
• 28:21
  leaders
• 28:21
  in
• 28:22
  an
• 28:22
  organization
• 28:23
  would
• 28:24
  be
• 28:24
  tactical
• 28:25
  leaders.
• 28:26
  We
• 28:26
  would
• 28:26
  be
• 28:26
  looking
• 28:27
  at
• 28:27
  the
• 28:27
  entire
• 28:28
  ecosystem
• 28:29
  and
• 28:29
  thinking
• 28:30
  about
• 28:32
  how
• 28:32
  do
• 28:32
  we
• 28:32
  do
• 28:33
  this
• 28:33
  work
• 28:34
  so
• 28:34
  that
• 28:34
  we
• 28:35
  actually
• 28:35
  get
• 28:36
  to
• 28:37
  that
• 28:37
  destination
• 28:37
  and
• 28:38
  that
• 28:38
  North
• 28:38
  Star
• 28:38
  for
• 28:39
  each
• 28:39
  and
• 28:40
  every
• 28:40
  student.
• 28:41
  Think
• 28:41
  of
• 28:41
  the
• 28:41
  energy
• 28:42
  that
• 28:42
  it
• 28:42
  takes
• 28:43
  when
• 28:44
  we
• 28:44
  have
• 28:45
  to
• 28:45
  fight.
• 28:46
  All
• 28:46
  of
• 28:47
  that
• 28:47
  energy
• 28:47
  takes
• 28:47
  energy
• 28:48
  away
• 28:48
  from
• 28:49
  providing
• 28:49
  coherence
• 28:50
  in
• 28:51
  a
• 28:51
  building.
• 28:51
  That's
• 28:52
  part
• 28:52
  of
• 28:52
  the
• 28:52
  drift.
• 28:53
  That's
• 28:53
  part
• 28:53
  of
• 28:54
  the
• 28:54
  drift,
• 28:54
  right?
• 28:55
  Resisting
• 28:56
  some
• 28:56
  of
• 28:56
  that
• 28:56
  work
• 28:57
  because
• 28:57
  you're
• 28:58
  trying
• 28:58
  to
• 28:58
  stay
• 28:58
  true
• 28:59
  to
• 28:59
  your
• 28:59
  North
• 28:59
  Star.
• 29:01
  That's
• 29:01
  why
• 29:01
  the
• 29:01
  importance
• 29:02
  of
• 29:02
  having
• 29:03
  coaches
• 29:04
  and
• 29:04
  people
• 29:05
  like
• 29:05
  us
• 29:05
  to
• 29:05
  support,
• 29:06
  I
• 29:06
  think
• 29:06
  are
• 29:06
  so
• 29:07
  important
• 29:07
  to
• 29:07
  the
• 29:07
  work.
• 29:08
  Because
• 29:09
  amazing
• 29:09
  people
• 29:09
  like
• 29:10
  Rhonda
• 29:10
  Simli
• 29:11
  can
• 29:11
  get
• 29:11
  pulled
• 29:11
  away
• 29:12
  into
• 29:12
  a
• 29:12
  thousand
• 29:13
  different
• 29:13
  pieces
• 29:14
  really
• 29:14
  easily.
• 29:15
  And
• 29:15
  the
• 29:16
  demands
• 29:16
  of
• 29:16
  that
• 29:16
  job
• 29:17
  are
• 29:18
  tough,
• 29:18
  especially
• 29:18
  in
• 29:19
  a
• 29:19
  system
• 29:19
  where
• 29:19
  you're
• 29:20
  trying
• 29:20
  to
• 29:20
  go
• 29:20
  one
• 29:20
  way
• 29:21
  and
• 29:22
  perhaps
• 29:22
  the
• 29:23
  district
• 29:25
  is
• 29:25
  perpetuating
• 29:26
  the
• 29:26
  status
• 29:27
  quo.
• 29:27
  I
• 29:28
  don't
• 29:28
  work
• 29:28
  with
• 29:28
  them,
• 29:28
  so
• 29:28
  I
• 29:28
  don't
• 29:29
  know
• 29:29
  that.
• 29:30
  But
• 29:30
  that's
• 29:30
  what
• 29:30
  happens
• 29:31
  in
• 29:31
  a
• 29:31
  lot
• 29:31
  of
• 29:31
  places,
• 29:32
  right?
• 29:32
  Where
• 29:33
  you've
• 29:33
  got
• 29:33
  somebody
• 29:33
  trying
• 29:33
  to
• 29:34
  do
• 29:34
  this
• 29:34
  work
• 29:34
  and
• 29:34
  trying
• 29:34
  to
• 29:35
  head
• 29:35
  toward
• 29:35
  how
• 29:36
  they've
• 29:36
  defined
• 29:37
  true
• 29:37
  north
• 29:37
  to
• 29:37
  be.
• 29:37
  And
• 29:38
  then
• 29:38
  you
• 29:38
  have
• 29:39
  working
• 29:39
  in
• 29:39
  a
• 29:39
  larger
• 29:40
  system
• 29:41
  that's
• 29:41
  taxing.
• 29:42
  Taxing
• 29:43
  is
• 29:44
  a
• 29:44
  great
• 29:44
  word.
• 29:45
  I'm
• 29:45
  feeling.
• 29:46
  I'm
• 29:46
  feeling
• 29:46
  pretty
• 29:47
  heavy
• 29:47
  hearted
• 29:47
  over
• 29:48
  here,
• 29:48
  thinking
• 29:49
  about
• 29:50
  all
• 29:50
  of
• 29:50
  this,
• 29:51
  Grant,
• 29:51
  I'm
• 29:52
  feeling
• 29:52
  like,
• 29:54
  you
• 29:54
  know,
• 29:54
  the
• 29:54
  struggle
• 29:54
  is
• 29:55
  real.
• 29:55
  The
• 29:56
  struggle
• 29:56
  is
• 29:56
  real.
• 29:57
  You
• 29:57
  know,
• 29:57
  they're.
• 29:58
  Every
• 29:58
  one
• 29:58
  of
• 29:59
  our
• 29:59
  listeners,
• 30:00
  I'm
• 30:00
  sure,
• 30:00
  is
• 30:00
  thinking,
• 30:01
  yes,
• 30:02
  yes,
• 30:03
  yes,
• 30:04
  that's
• 30:04
  me,.
• 30:05
  That's
• 30:05
  me,
• 30:05
  that's
• 30:05
  me.
• 30:08
  But
• 30:08
  there's.
• 30:08
  There's
• 30:09
  hope,
• 30:10
  right?
• 30:10
  There's
• 30:10
  hope
• 30:10
  there.
• 30:11
  There's
• 30:11
  hope.
• 30:11
  And
• 30:12
  you've.
• 30:13
  You've
• 30:14
  been
• 30:14
  talking
• 30:14
  about
• 30:14
  this
• 30:15
  during
• 30:15
  our,
• 30:15
  our
• 30:16
  hiatus,
• 30:18
  and
• 30:18
  this
• 30:18
  is
• 30:18
  our
• 30:18
  last
• 30:19
  episode
• 30:19
  during
• 30:20
  this
• 30:20
  time.
• 30:21
  So
• 30:21
  for
• 30:22
  the
• 30:22
  people
• 30:22
  listening
• 30:23
  who
• 30:23
  are
• 30:23
  thinking
• 30:24
  all
• 30:24
  of
• 30:24
  this
• 30:25
  in
• 30:26
  maybe
• 30:26
  in
• 30:26
  the
• 30:26
  same
• 30:27
  point,
• 30:27
  and
• 30:28
  during
• 30:28
  this
• 30:28
  episode
• 30:29
  of,
• 30:29
  like,
• 30:30
  okay,
• 30:32
  I'm.
• 30:32
  They
• 30:33
  get
• 30:33
  it,
• 30:33
  I
• 30:34
  get
• 30:34
  it.
• 30:35
  This
• 30:35
  resonates.
• 30:37
  But
• 30:38
  where
• 30:38
  do
• 30:39
  they
• 30:39
  begin?
• 30:39
  What
• 30:40
  does
• 30:40
  the
• 30:40
  support
• 30:41
  actually
• 30:41
  look
• 30:41
  like
• 30:42
  inside
• 30:42
  of
• 30:43
  this
• 30:43
  ecosystem
• 30:44
  that,
• 30:45
  you
• 30:45
  know,
• 30:45
  you've
• 30:46
  talked
• 30:46
  about?
• 30:47
  Tell
• 30:48
  us
• 30:48
  about
• 30:48
  the
• 30:48
  hope
• 30:49
  that
• 30:49
  is.
• 30:50
  That
• 30:50
  exists,
• 30:51
  sir.
• 30:51
  Okay,
• 30:52
  so
• 30:52
  before
• 30:52
  I
• 30:52
  talk
• 30:52
  about
• 30:53
  hope,
• 30:53
  I
• 30:53
  just
• 30:53
  want
• 30:53
  to
• 30:53
  throw
• 30:54
  out
• 30:54
  three
• 30:55
  things
• 30:55
  really
• 30:55
  quickly.
• 30:55
  And
• 30:56
  that
• 30:56
  is,
• 30:56
  the
• 30:57
  pressure's
• 30:57
  real,
• 30:57
  right?
• 30:59
  We
• 30:59
  know
• 30:59
  that
• 31:00
  coherence
• 31:00
  requires
• 31:01
  discipline.
• 31:02
  We
• 31:02
  know
• 31:02
  that.
• 31:03
  We
• 31:03
  know
• 31:03
  that
• 31:04
  the
• 31:04
  system
• 31:04
  will
• 31:04
  drift
• 31:05
  naturally,
• 31:06
  right?
• 31:06
  So
• 31:06
  the
• 31:06
  natural
• 31:07
  tendency
• 31:07
  is
• 31:07
  that
• 31:07
  the
• 31:08
  system
• 31:08
  is
• 31:08
  going
• 31:08
  to
• 31:08
  drift,
• 31:09
  right,
• 31:09
  no
• 31:09
  matter
• 31:09
  what.
• 31:10
  And
• 31:10
  we
• 31:10
  also
• 31:11
  know
• 31:11
  that
• 31:11
  leadership
• 31:11
  is
• 31:12
  moral
• 31:12
  work.
• 31:12
  It's
• 31:13
  really
• 31:13
  hard,
• 31:13
  and
• 31:13
  it's
• 31:14
  really
• 31:14
  important.
• 31:14
  It's
• 31:14
  really.
• 31:15
  So
• 31:16
  what
• 31:16
  we
• 31:16
  realized,
• 31:17
  right?
• 31:17
  And
• 31:18
  now
• 31:18
  I'm
• 31:18
  talking
• 31:18
  about
• 31:18
  the
• 31:19
  we
• 31:19
  here
• 31:19
  in
• 31:20
  this
• 31:20
  room,
• 31:20
  in
• 31:20
  this
• 31:20
  space,
• 31:21
  we
• 31:21
  realized
• 31:21
  pretty
• 31:22
  quickly
• 31:22
  that
• 31:22
  coherence
• 31:23
  matters
• 31:23
  and
• 31:24
  that
• 31:24
  the
• 31:24
  support
• 31:25
  structures
• 31:26
  for
• 31:26
  leaders
• 31:26
  who
• 31:27
  are
• 31:27
  trying
• 31:27
  to
• 31:27
  do
• 31:27
  this
• 31:27
  work
• 31:28
  really
• 31:29
  matters,
• 31:30
  right?
• 31:31
  If,
• 31:31
  if,
• 31:32
  if
• 31:32
  it's
• 31:32
  so
• 31:32
  easy
• 31:33
  to
• 31:33
  be,
• 31:33
  you
• 31:34
  know,
• 31:34
  pulled
• 31:34
  into
• 31:35
  10,000
• 31:35
  different
• 31:36
  directions,
• 31:37
  how
• 31:37
  do
• 31:37
  we
• 31:37
  help
• 31:37
  people?
• 31:38
  Because
• 31:38
  you
• 31:38
  can't
• 31:39
  stop
• 31:39
  the
• 31:39
  school
• 31:39
  day,
• 31:40
  you
• 31:40
  can't
• 31:40
  stop
• 31:40
  the
• 31:40
  school
• 31:41
  year.
• 31:41
  It
• 31:41
  all
• 31:42
  goes
• 31:42
  quickly.
• 31:42
  So
• 31:43
  how
• 31:43
  do
• 31:43
  we
• 31:43
  do
• 31:43
  that?
• 31:43
  So
• 31:44
  we
• 31:44
  realized
• 31:45
  that
• 31:46
  our
• 31:46
  support
• 31:46
  structures
• 31:47
  for
• 31:48
  leaders
• 31:48
  had
• 31:48
  to
• 31:48
  be
• 31:49
  coherent
• 31:49
  as
• 31:49
  well.
• 31:50
  You
• 31:51
  can't
• 31:51
  bring
• 31:51
  coherence
• 31:52
  and
• 31:53
  support
• 31:53
  coherence
• 31:53
  if
• 31:54
  you
• 31:54
  aren't
• 31:54
  coherent
• 31:54
  yourself.
• 31:55
  So
• 31:55
  what
• 31:56
  did
• 31:56
  we
• 31:56
  do
• 31:56
  here
• 31:57
  at
• 31:57
  Students
• 31:57
  Matter?
• 31:58
  First?
• 31:58
  We
• 31:58
  built
• 31:58
  the
• 31:58
  wheelhouse.
• 31:59
  This
• 31:59
  is
• 32:00
  where
• 32:00
  we
• 32:00
  talk
• 32:00
  about
• 32:00
  all
• 32:01
  these
• 32:01
  issues.
• 32:01
  This
• 32:01
  is
• 32:02
  a
• 32:02
  support.
• 32:03
  We
• 32:03
  bring
• 32:04
  these
• 32:04
  episodes
• 32:04
  to
• 32:05
  you
• 32:05
  to
• 32:06
  support
• 32:06
  you
• 32:07
  and
• 32:07
  to
• 32:07
  help
• 32:07
  you,
• 32:08
  to
• 32:08
  help
• 32:08
  you
• 32:08
  process
• 32:09
  what's
• 32:10
  happening
• 32:10
  in
• 32:10
  your
• 32:11
  district.
• 32:11
  These
• 32:11
  are
• 32:11
  the
• 32:12
  stories,
• 32:12
  right?
• 32:13
  We
• 32:13
  bring
• 32:14
  this
• 32:14
  work
• 32:14
  publicly
• 32:15
  so
• 32:15
  that
• 32:17
  you
• 32:17
  have
• 32:17
  friends
• 32:18
  at
• 32:18
  the
• 32:18
  wheelhouse,
• 32:19
  right,
• 32:19
  who
• 32:19
  can
• 32:20
  help
• 32:20
  you
• 32:20
  through
• 32:20
  dialogue,
• 32:21
  partnership,
• 32:21
  and
• 32:21
  orientation
• 32:22
  work.
• 32:23
  We
• 32:23
  also
• 32:23
  built
• 32:24
  Learn
• 32:24
  harbor,
• 32:25
  which
• 32:25
  is
• 32:26
  a
• 32:26
  place
• 32:26
  for
• 32:27
  guided
• 32:28
  learning
• 32:28
  and
• 32:29
  development.
• 32:30
  This
• 32:30
  is
• 32:30
  a
• 32:30
  place
• 32:31
  where
• 32:31
  you
• 32:31
  can
• 32:31
  go
• 32:32
  and
• 32:32
  you're
• 32:33
  like,
• 32:33
  hey,
• 32:33
  I
• 32:33
  want
• 32:33
  to
• 32:34
  know
• 32:34
  more
• 32:34
  about
• 32:34
  this
• 32:34
  tactical
• 32:35
  leadership
• 32:35
  thing.
• 32:35
  I
• 32:36
  want
• 32:36
  to
• 32:36
  learn
• 32:36
  more
• 32:36
  about
• 32:36
  it.
• 32:37
  Where
• 32:37
  Are
• 32:37
  all
• 32:37
  these
• 32:38
  tools
• 32:38
  and
• 32:38
  resources
• 32:39
  that
• 32:39
  you're
• 32:39
  talking
• 32:39
  about
• 32:40
  to
• 32:41
  make
• 32:41
  my
• 32:41
  job
• 32:41
  easier?
• 32:42
  What
• 32:42
  is
• 32:42
  this
• 32:42
  thing
• 32:43
  with
• 32:43
  powerful
• 32:44
  student
• 32:44
  care
• 32:45
  or
• 32:45
  instructional
• 32:46
  excellence
• 32:46
  or
• 32:47
  the
• 32:47
  invisible
• 32:48
  backpack
• 32:48
  or
• 32:49
  what
• 32:49
  are
• 32:49
  all
• 32:49
  these
• 32:49
  things
• 32:50
  you
• 32:50
  keep
• 32:50
  talking
• 32:51
  about?
• 32:51
  Right.
• 32:51
  Where
• 32:52
  do
• 32:52
  I
• 32:52
  learn
• 32:52
  more
• 32:52
  about
• 32:53
  that?
• 32:53
  So
• 32:53
  we
• 32:54
  built
• 32:54
  Learn
• 32:54
  harbor
• 32:55
  as
• 32:55
  a
• 32:55
  place
• 32:55
  for
• 32:56
  you
• 32:56
  to
• 32:56
  get
• 32:56
  that
• 32:56
  support.
• 32:58
  Whether
• 32:58
  you
• 32:58
  come
• 32:58
  as
• 32:58
  a
• 32:59
  team
• 32:59
  or
• 32:59
  you
• 32:59
  come
• 32:59
  on
• 33:00
  your
• 33:00
  own,
• 33:01
  we
• 33:01
  can
• 33:01
  surround
• 33:02
  you
• 33:03
  with
• 33:03
  the
• 33:03
  tools
• 33:03
  and
• 33:03
  resources
• 33:04
  that
• 33:04
  you
• 33:04
  need
• 33:05
  to
• 33:05
  help
• 33:05
  you
• 33:05
  do
• 33:05
  that
• 33:05
  work.
• 33:06
  And
• 33:06
  then
• 33:07
  students
• 33:07
  matter.
• 33:08
  The
• 33:08
  whole
• 33:08
  ecosystem
• 33:10
  is
• 33:10
  there
• 33:11
  because
• 33:11
  we
• 33:11
  believe
• 33:12
  coherence.
• 33:13
  In
• 33:13
  order
• 33:13
  to
• 33:14
  bring
• 33:14
  coherence
• 33:15
  to
• 33:15
  the
• 33:16
  organization,
• 33:16
  we
• 33:16
  need
• 33:17
  to
• 33:17
  think
• 33:17
  about
• 33:17
  tactical
• 33:18
  leadership.
• 33:18
  We
• 33:18
  need
• 33:19
  to
• 33:19
  think
• 33:19
  about
• 33:19
  leadership
• 33:20
  in
• 33:20
  a
• 33:20
  way
• 33:20
  that's
• 33:21
  purposefully
• 33:21
  trying
• 33:21
  to
• 33:22
  bring
• 33:22
  coherence
• 33:23
  to
• 33:23
  the
• 33:23
  work.
• 33:24
  Clarity,
• 33:24
  precision,
• 33:25
  humanity.
• 33:26
  We
• 33:26
  bring
• 33:26
  powerful
• 33:27
  student
• 33:27
  care.
• 33:29
  How
• 33:29
  does
• 33:29
  every
• 33:29
  student
• 33:30
  come
• 33:30
  to
• 33:30
  believe
• 33:31
  that
• 33:31
  they
• 33:31
  are
• 33:31
  distinctive
• 33:32
  and
• 33:32
  irreplaceable?
• 33:33
  What
• 33:34
  does
• 33:34
  instructional
• 33:35
  excellence
• 33:35
  look
• 33:36
  like?
• 33:36
  What
• 33:36
  does
• 33:36
  instructional
• 33:37
  innovation
• 33:38
  look
• 33:38
  like
• 33:39
  that
• 33:39
  honors,
• 33:40
  that
• 33:40
  honors
• 33:41
  the
• 33:41
  whole
• 33:41
  child,
• 33:42
  honors
• 33:42
  the
• 33:43
  whole
• 33:43
  educator,
• 33:44
  honors
• 33:47
  really
• 33:47
  powerful,
• 33:48
  innovative
• 33:49
  instructional
• 33:50
  design
• 33:51
  that
• 33:51
  includes
• 33:52
  AI.
• 33:53
  How
• 33:53
  do
• 33:54
  we
• 33:54
  do
• 33:54
  that
• 33:54
  in
• 33:54
  a
• 33:54
  way
• 33:55
  that
• 33:55
  brings
• 33:56
  joy
• 33:56
  filled
• 33:57
  learning
• 33:57
  experiences
• 33:58
  to
• 33:58
  students,
• 33:59
  students.
• 33:59
  So
• 34:00
  that
• 34:00
  we're
• 34:00
  connecting
• 34:01
  leadership,
• 34:02
  care,
• 34:03
  instruction.
• 34:04
  And
• 34:04
  then
• 34:05
  what
• 34:05
  does
• 34:05
  that
• 34:05
  all
• 34:05
  look
• 34:05
  like
• 34:06
  in
• 34:06
  a
• 34:06
  future
• 34:07
  where
• 34:07
  we're
• 34:07
  trying
• 34:07
  to
• 34:08
  create
• 34:08
  future
• 34:09
  ready
• 34:09
  schools
• 34:11
  where
• 34:11
  humanity
• 34:13
  is
• 34:13
  the
• 34:13
  center.
• 34:14
  Right.
• 34:14
  Where
• 34:15
  humanity
• 34:15
  is
• 34:16
  the
• 34:16
  center.
• 34:16
  And
• 34:17
  so
• 34:17
  those
• 34:17
  aren't
• 34:18
  separate
• 34:19
  projects.
• 34:20
  We
• 34:21
  believe
• 34:21
  they're
• 34:22
  interconnected
• 34:23
  and
• 34:23
  that
• 34:23
  they
• 34:23
  all
• 34:24
  work
• 34:24
  together
• 34:25
  to
• 34:25
  develop
• 34:26
  the
• 34:26
  same
• 34:26
  belief
• 34:27
  system.
• 34:28
  So
• 34:28
  that
• 34:29
  I
• 34:29
  hope,
• 34:31
  brings
• 34:31
  hope
• 34:32
  to
• 34:32
  educators.
• 34:34
  Your
• 34:34
  final
• 34:34
  thoughts
• 34:35
  in
• 34:35
  regard,
• 34:36
  you
• 34:36
  know,
• 34:36
  the
• 34:36
  last
• 34:36
  episode
• 34:37
  within
• 34:38
  this
• 34:38
  three
• 34:39
  part
• 34:39
  hiatus
• 34:40
  series.
• 34:41
  So
• 34:42
  leave
• 34:43
  us
• 34:43
  with
• 34:43
  some
• 34:43
  hope.
• 34:44
  So
• 34:44
  this
• 34:44
  isn't
• 34:44
  about
• 34:45
  perfection.
• 34:46
  It's
• 34:46
  not
• 34:46
  about
• 34:47
  being
• 34:47
  flawless
• 34:48
  in
• 34:48
  our
• 34:49
  implementation
• 34:49
  and
• 34:50
  we
• 34:50
  got
• 34:50
  to
• 34:50
  be
• 34:50
  perfect.
• 34:51
  It's
• 34:51
  about
• 34:52
  creating
• 34:53
  systems,
• 34:54
  districts,
• 34:56
  buildings
• 34:57
  and
• 34:57
  classrooms
• 34:58
  that
• 34:58
  are
• 34:58
  willing
• 35:00
  to
• 35:00
  orient
• 35:01
  toward
• 35:01
  humanity,
• 35:02
  that
• 35:02
  are
• 35:03
  willing
• 35:04
  to
• 35:05
  recognize
• 35:06
  the
• 35:07
  power
• 35:07
  of
• 35:07
  what
• 35:08
  students
• 35:08
  experience.
• 35:09
  Around
• 35:10
  humanity,
• 35:11
  around
• 35:11
  purpose,
• 35:12
  around
• 35:13
  continuously
• 35:14
  recalibrating
• 35:15
  and
• 35:15
  making
• 35:16
  sure
• 35:16
  we
• 35:16
  know
• 35:16
  where
• 35:17
  we
• 35:17
  are
• 35:17
  and
• 35:17
  where
• 35:17
  we're
• 35:17
  going.
• 35:18
  And
• 35:19
  where
• 35:20
  systems
• 35:20
  refuse
• 35:21
  to
• 35:21
  allow
• 35:21
  drift.
• 35:22
  That
• 35:22
  coherence
• 35:22
  is
• 35:23
  not
• 35:23
  built
• 35:24
  in
• 35:24
  moments
• 35:25
  of
• 35:25
  inspiration.
• 35:27
  Right.
• 35:27
  So
• 35:27
  hopefully
• 35:28
  you're
• 35:28
  listening
• 35:28
  and
• 35:29
  you're
• 35:29
  all
• 35:29
  inspired,
• 35:29
  right?
• 35:30
  Like,
• 35:30
  oh,
• 35:30
  wow.
• 35:30
  I
• 35:31
  want
• 35:31
  that.
• 35:31
  I
• 35:31
  want
• 35:31
  that
• 35:32
  for
• 35:32
  my
• 35:32
  students,
• 35:32
  I
• 35:32
  want
• 35:32
  that
• 35:33
  for
• 35:33
  my
• 35:33
  educators,
• 35:34
  I
• 35:34
  want
• 35:34
  that
• 35:34
  for
• 35:34
  everybody.
• 35:35
  I
• 35:35
  want
• 35:35
  that
• 35:35
  for
• 35:35
  my
• 35:35
  leaders.
• 35:36
  But
• 35:37
  that's.
• 35:37
  And
• 35:37
  I'm
• 35:38
  thrilled,
• 35:38
  right?
• 35:39
  Absolutely.
• 35:39
  Because
• 35:40
  it
• 35:40
  starts
• 35:40
  with
• 35:40
  some
• 35:41
  inspiration.
• 35:41
  It
• 35:41
  starts
• 35:42
  with
• 35:42
  some
• 35:42
  good
• 35:43
  feelings
• 35:43
  and
• 35:43
  thinking
• 35:44
  about
• 35:44
  where
• 35:44
  you
• 35:44
  want
• 35:44
  to
• 35:45
  go.
• 35:45
  But
• 35:46
  it's
• 35:47
  really
• 35:47
  about
• 35:48
  the
• 35:48
  daily
• 35:49
  discipline
• 35:50
  of
• 35:50
  staying
• 35:51
  oriented
• 35:51
  to
• 35:52
  what
• 35:52
  matters
• 35:52
  most.
• 35:53
  And
• 35:53
  what
• 35:54
  matters
• 35:54
  most
• 35:55
  is
• 35:55
  humanity.
• 35:57
  And
• 35:57
  what
• 35:57
  matters
• 35:58
  most
• 35:58
  is
• 35:59
  what
• 35:59
  students
• 35:59
  experience.
• 36:00
  And
• 36:01
  so
• 36:01
  I
• 36:01
  say
• 36:02
  that's
• 36:02
  what
• 36:02
  Students
• 36:03
  Matter
• 36:03
  is
• 36:03
  here
• 36:04
  to
• 36:04
  help
• 36:04
  you
• 36:04
  do
• 36:05
  to
• 36:05
  bring
• 36:06
  coherence
• 36:06
  to
• 36:06
  that
• 36:07
  work.
• 36:13
  My
• 36:13
  thanks
• 36:14
  again
• 36:14
  to
• 36:14
  Kathy
• 36:14
  Mone,
• 36:15
  Michael
• 36:15
  Pipa,
• 36:16
  and
• 36:16
  Dr.
• 36:16
  Alicia
• 36:17
  Munro
• 36:18
  for
• 36:18
  leading
• 36:18
  this
• 36:18
  conversation
• 36:19
  and
• 36:20
  for
• 36:20
  helping
• 36:20
  make
• 36:20
  this
• 36:21
  series
• 36:21
  one
• 36:21
  of
• 36:21
  the
• 36:22
  most
• 36:22
  honest
• 36:22
  explorations
• 36:23
  we've
• 36:24
  had
• 36:24
  on
• 36:24
  the
• 36:24
  Wheelhouse
• 36:25
  about
• 36:25
  leadership,
• 36:26
  systems,
• 36:27
  and
• 36:27
  humanity.
• 36:29
  Here's
• 36:29
  what
• 36:30
  I
• 36:30
  keep
• 36:30
  coming
• 36:30
  back
• 36:31
  to
• 36:31
  after
• 36:32
  three
• 36:32
  episodes.
• 36:33
  Coherence
• 36:34
  is
• 36:34
  not
• 36:35
  accidental.
• 36:37
  It
• 36:37
  doesn't
• 36:37
  emerge
• 36:38
  simply
• 36:38
  because
• 36:38
  people
• 36:39
  care
• 36:39
  deeply,
• 36:40
  and
• 36:40
  it
• 36:41
  doesn't
• 36:41
  sustain
• 36:41
  itself
• 36:42
  once
• 36:42
  pressure
• 36:43
  enters
• 36:43
  the
• 36:44
  system.
• 36:45
  Coherence
• 36:47
  requires
• 36:47
  disciplined
• 36:48
  leadership.
• 36:49
  It
• 36:50
  requires
• 36:50
  leaders
• 36:51
  who
• 36:51
  continuously
• 36:52
  reorient
• 36:53
  people
• 36:53
  toward
• 36:54
  purpose,
• 36:55
  leaders
• 36:55
  who
• 36:56
  are
• 36:56
  willing
• 36:56
  to
• 36:56
  protect
• 36:57
  clarity,
• 36:58
  leaders
• 36:59
  who
• 36:59
  calibrate
• 37:00
  systems
• 37:00
  instead
• 37:00
  of
• 37:01
  merely
• 37:01
  reacting
• 37:01
  to
• 37:02
  them,
• 37:03
  and
• 37:04
  leaders
• 37:04
  who
• 37:04
  understand
• 37:05
  that
• 37:05
  students
• 37:05
  experience
• 37:06
  systems
• 37:07
  through
• 37:07
  the
• 37:08
  consistency
• 37:09
  or
• 37:09
  inconsistency
• 37:11
  of
• 37:11
  adult
• 37:11
  behavior.
• 37:13
  That's
• 37:13
  the
• 37:13
  work.
• 37:14
  And
• 37:15
  honestly,
• 37:16
  that's
• 37:16
  why
• 37:16
  the
• 37:17
  Students
• 37:17
  Matter
• 37:17
  ecosystem
• 37:18
  exists
• 37:19
  in
• 37:19
  the
• 37:19
  way
• 37:20
  it
• 37:20
  does.
• 37:21
  The
• 37:21
  Wheelhouse
• 37:22
  was
• 37:22
  created
• 37:23
  as
• 37:23
  a
• 37:23
  space
• 37:24
  to
• 37:24
  wrestle
• 37:25
  publicly
• 37:25
  with
• 37:25
  these
• 37:25
  ideas.
• 37:27
  Learn
• 37:28
  harbor
• 37:28
  was
• 37:28
  designed
• 37:29
  to
• 37:29
  support
• 37:30
  disciplined
• 37:30
  professional
• 37:31
  growth
• 37:31
  through
• 37:32
  guided,
• 37:32
  asynchronous
• 37:33
  learning
• 37:34
  experiences,
• 37:34
  experiences
• 37:35
  and
• 37:36
  the
• 37:36
  broader
• 37:36
  Students
• 37:36
  Matter
• 37:37
  Ecosystem
• 37:38
  exists
• 37:38
  to
• 37:39
  help
• 37:39
  schools
• 37:39
  and
• 37:39
  leaders
• 37:40
  build
• 37:40
  coherent,
• 37:41
  human
• 37:41
  centered
• 37:42
  systems
• 37:43
  where
• 37:43
  students
• 37:44
  experience
• 37:45
  dignity,
• 37:46
  belonging,
• 37:47
  growth,
• 37:48
  and
• 37:48
  meaningful
• 37:49
  learning
• 37:50
  consistently,
• 37:52
  not
• 37:52
  accidentally.
• 37:54
  None
• 37:54
  of
• 37:54
  this
• 37:55
  work
• 37:55
  can
• 37:55
  live
• 37:55
  as
• 37:55
  disconnected
• 37:56
  pieces,
• 37:58
  not
• 37:58
  if
• 37:58
  coherence
• 37:59
  is
• 37:59
  truly
• 37:59
  the
• 38:00
  goal.
• 38:01
  And
• 38:01
  maybe
• 38:01
  that's
• 38:02
  the
• 38:02
  final
• 38:02
  challenge
• 38:03
  of
• 38:03
  this
• 38:04
  series.
• 38:05
  Not
• 38:05
  whether
• 38:05
  we
• 38:06
  can
• 38:06
  create
• 38:06
  inspiring
• 38:07
  ideas,
• 38:09
  but
• 38:09
  whether
• 38:09
  we're
• 38:09
  willing
• 38:10
  to
• 38:10
  build
• 38:10
  systems
• 38:11
  that
• 38:12
  consistently
• 38:13
  reflect
• 38:14
  what
• 38:14
  we
• 38:14
  claim
• 38:14
  to
• 38:15
  believe
• 38:15
  about
• 38:15
  students.
• 38:17
  Coherence
• 38:18
  is
• 38:19
  not
• 38:19
  built
• 38:20
  in
• 38:20
  moments
• 38:21
  of
• 38:21
  inspiration.
• 38:23
  It's
• 38:23
  built
• 38:24
  in
• 38:24
  the
• 38:24
  daily
• 38:24
  discipline
• 38:25
  of
• 38:26
  staying
• 38:26
  oriented
• 38:27
  to
• 38:28
  what
• 38:28
  matters
• 38:28
  most.
• 38:30
  So
• 38:30
  let's
• 38:31
  stay
• 38:31
  oriented
• 38:33
  and
• 38:33
  I'll
• 38:33
  see
• 38:33
  you
• 38:34
  soon.
• 38:34
  In
• 38:35
  season
• 38:35
  13.