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thing? You ready to rock? Yep. All right. Fucking
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Boxing B -Sides. We're back in 2026. Joined by
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the one and only Saul. Hello, guys. What's up,
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what's up, what's up? Glad to see you guys in
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the new year. You guys can hear me. Back from
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hiatus. It's Josh. Yes, we are back. Oh, man,
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I saved this little bit of news. Obviously, this
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happened a while ago, but I wanted to give Josh
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a little bit of time to get something out on
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Crawford retiring, 42 -0, 31 stoppages, five
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-division champion, three -division undisputed.
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Retired the duck boots in Benavidez. You hate
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to see it. Duck Benavidez? You hate to see it.
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And Jake Paul. And Jake Paul. On a serious note,
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it's actually like, how good of a fighter do
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you have to be for that career to be a disappointment?
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How is it a disappointment? He could have fought
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more guys. He could have just fought more guys.
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Like, I'm gonna say, like, the top -ranked extension
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era, like, Jeff Horn until he fought Spence was
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not great. And that was his, like, absolute peak,
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too. Hey, he fought Kell Brook and he fought,
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uh... Sean Porter. Sean Porter. Okay, Sean Porter,
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fair enough, but, like, Kell Brook, Amir Khan,
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Mean Machine, Jeff Horn. The worst Benavidez.
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I think if he had just not signed the extension
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with top rank, he would have beaten Spence sooner
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and we would have gotten more out of him, which
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is he's good to watch in the ring. He was always
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a fun watch. Let me ask you this. I'm curious.
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Was there a possibility that he would have been
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signed by the PBC at that early on? Yeah. I mean,
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an American, like, all -action guy in the ring
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who is, like, the direct rival of your best,
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of one of your better guys. Did they ever send
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an offer out? I'm just curious if it's known
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that they sent an offer out. Well, he didn't
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even entertain, like, them sending an offer.
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He signed that extension with Top Rank at Lightspeed.
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He's like, I hate racism. sues his promoter for
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being racist, but how good is he as a fighter
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to have basically avoided stardom until the very
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end and still done it? So here's something interesting
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that I'm thinking about. If he had not re -signed
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with Top Rank, if he had signed with PBC instead,
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he would have been stripped of that WBO title.
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And we wouldn't have gotten an undisputed welterweight
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fight. That's true. It's true, but I feel like
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the profile of him fighting Spence ends up being
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the... Still bigger. Yeah, like he ends up moving.
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He probably fights Charlo. Like the... What was
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it? Jermall is the one at 154, right? Jermall.
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Jermall. He probably fights Jermall at Jermall's
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peak. He has a much stronger later half of his
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career. He probably still wins all those fights.
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It's just that we get to see more of him. I don't
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think it's a bad thing to have considered. We
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didn't see enough of him. Really. You don't think
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BBC would have put him with some tuna fights
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either? Yeah, but he still would have had the
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big fights. He would have had more big fights,
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and he would have had, like, instead of, like,
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Amir Khan, like, it would have been someone.
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His tune -up would have been, like, Danny Garcia.
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That's what I mean. Like, it would have been
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Danny Garcia. And at 154, it would have been,
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like, Lubin, or, like, it would have been, or
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even Castaño. He would have caught Castaño off
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a loss. So that's what I mean by, like, he could
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have accomplished more, and that's, like, he
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still accomplished more than most guys ever do.
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But... You think if he went to PBC, you think
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that would rival Mayweather? We would have seen
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enough of him against great opponents to be able
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to actually tell. I don't know how he'd perform,
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but we would have seen enough of him to tell.
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I feel like I've seen enough to tell. I don't...
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Because, like, skills -wise, he can definitely
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do it. It's just, like, how much do you count
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strength of resume? But you know what? We would
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have never gotten Mario Barrios as a WBC champion.
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Yeah, I think he would have fought Pacquiao,
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too. Pacquiao would have been in a wheelchair
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from... Crawford. Pacquiao was going to fight
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Spence. That's what I mean. That's what I mean.
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All these things. At that point in time, Crawford
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has already beaten Spence in this hypothetical
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timeline. Like, it's a whole... You think they
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would have made the Spence fight before or after
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his car accident? You think that was possible?
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Well, the car accident... I don't think it would
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have happened before the accident. No, it would
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have been after Porter. But it's still like it's
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not his eye falls out and the car accident and
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he's got a bunch of miles on the clock and he
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cleared out 147. It's just the car accident.
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Yeah. Which like he looked just fine after the
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car accident against Danny Garcia. Yeah. It was
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after his eye fell out that he looked A little
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diminished with Ugas. If Ugas had any killer
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instinct, he would have got him out. That's what
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I mean. Say what you will about Crawford, he's
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great, but I would have liked to have seen more
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of him against better opposition. Like I asked
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earlier, would you think that a run like that
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at PBC would have rivaled Mayweather's run? I
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don't think it would have beaten it. I don't
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think so. The longevity and the quality of opponent
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was just not there. Like Cotto, Marquez, De La
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Hoya, Pacquiao. I'll take those guys over. Yeah,
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Ricky Hatton at his peak too. It's crazy, but
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the thing is that I'm saying we would have gotten
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the C at least from an eye test. Because, like,
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I'm going to say, there's a big difference between
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Jermel Charlo and David Avenisi in terms of,
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like, owning them and, like, the eye test. I
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mean, honestly, you're 100 % right. I agree with
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you in the sense that if he got more fights,
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he probably would have been seen as even greater.
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Because that was Crawford's prime at that time.
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But you never know. I mean, he could have lost.
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No? Yeah, but the thing is that I respect stepping
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up and let's say he gets a fight at 160. He fights
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a guy at 160 and it's crazy and he loses. I respect
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it a lot more than what he actually ended up
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doing, which was garbage fights, Spence Canelo.
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Because even Madrimov is like, okay, sure, you
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fought a tight list at 154, but you also had
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active challengers at 147. I'm not saying that
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he avoided them. That's just the timing being
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wrong. I do know that Manny Pacquiao avoided
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Crawford for sure. I actually honestly doubt
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that. To be fair, Pacquiao was just not signing
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with Arum. If Pacquiao had won against Jeff Horn,
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we would have gotten Crawford Pacquiao. I don't
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know. I've seen the sources. I totally believe
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that he wanted nothing to do with them. Crawford
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is that good. But I'm going to say Crawford could
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have forced the issue by just becoming a star
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the way Spence did. We could have stolen Spence's
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chain. Yeah. So, again, fantastic career, but
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it could have been, like, genuinely legendary
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because he's... I deride Crawford a lot for his
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out -of -the -ring choices, but it's because
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he's so good and so fun in the ring that, like,
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all he did out of the ring was basically damage,
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like, how he entered the ring. You expect better,
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right? Yeah, like, I expect you not... Like,
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I expect you, like... You're a tight list at
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147. You go and you hunt out every other name
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instead of just waiting. And the thing is that
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just by accelerating the timeline, he probably
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ends up beating... He still beats Canelo. But
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it happens a couple years earlier. You don't
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make as many excuses. And now Crawford can actually
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capitalize on that by being the man. Well, ladies
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and gentlemen still listening to this rant. A
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good overview would be legendary fighter, great
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career. Like, his career is great. Like, how
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great do you have to be for a career where you're,
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what, three -time undisputed to be a disappointment?
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Not that. Fucking fighting David Avenisian. Like,
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how good do you have to be? to have wins against
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Errol Spence and Canelo and be a three -time
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undisputed guy, having started at 135, and, like,
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it's still considered, like, yeah, he could have
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done more. Like, it's not hate towards Crawford.
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It's just, like, this guy could have been, like,
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so much more. Because it's rare that we get an
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all -action guy who just has, like, skills for
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days. Happy retirement for Crawford. But I think
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Legacy, like, we're going to look back on this,
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and he's going to be a big, like, super talented,
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like... Super talented, but he can't scrape top
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10, top 20 discussions because of the strength
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of resume. I disagree with that, but... Yeah,
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me too. I would put him in the top 10, at least.
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It's a very dense all -time list. I feel like
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you need... Like, I'm going to say, like, three
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or four, like, my arbitrary number for, like,
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bona fide all -time greats to get into that top
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15, top 20. And I'm not saying, like, the 1940s
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guys who they, like, fight Hall of Famers over
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lunch. Because, like, those are very charitable
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inclusions. But I'm saying, like, guys like Hopkins
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who did it in, like, three separate decades at
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the least. I think it'd be Hopkins. Yes, but
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I'm saying in an all -time great way. Are we
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talking best or are we talking greatest? Depends.
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In greatest, Crawford doesn't scrape it. In best,
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absolutely. Put him up there. Greatest, I still
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think he scrapes it because of the three times
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undisputed. Jumping up three weight classes is
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no easy feat. It seems easy now after the fact,
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but you got to remember, we were all thinking
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that Canelo was going to win. That Crawford was
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nuts. I still think that's one of the greatest
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feats that's ever been, that's ever happened
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in the sport. It's like how people hold Roy up
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so high. Yeah. After you fucking fought John
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Ruiz. It's not like you fought Van Holyfield.
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You beat John Ruiz. John Ruiz beat Holyfield
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in the trilogy at the time, but that's besides
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the point. I don't know. I use Hopkins. It's
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like, there's, there's, there's gotta be like
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a, like Hopkins has a huge strength of resume
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in addition to like, the gimmick of being old
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and continually moving up. Hopkins is great because
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both of those. Yeah, it's just the strength.
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If he just stuck around, if his career was just
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timed differently, think of it. He'd still have
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Spence and Canelo, but you add Jermell, and you
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add a bunch of top 10 guys instead of top 30
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guys. Well, let me ask you this. I'm probably
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Pacquiao too. I'm curious. Where would you rate
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Roy Jones Jr. on this supposed list of yours?
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Out of curiosity. On like a greatness list or
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like a best list? Because if we're going best,
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like prime Roy Jones Jr. is one or two. Yeah,
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he beats most people. He's one or two. Like.
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Greatest. Yeah. But, like, greatest is such a
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hard one because, like, dude ranks, it's, like,
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such a combination of, like, greatest, like,
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your household name, you have a strength of resume,
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you have skills, like. Possibly your amateur
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career, too. Yeah. Ish. Like, I don't know, like.
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I don't know if I would count amateur career
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as criteria. I hope, like, Olympic gold medal,
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I guess, depending on. Yeah. Like, I'll say,
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like, the way I say Ali has all of those. Like
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when you think of like, like anywhere near the
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greatest, like kind of Ali level. Cause like
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he was the best first time. Like he was a cultural
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icon. He had the skills to in multiple and the
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longevity. Like it's a, it's a very subjective.
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It's more subjective than just saying best because
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best you go. like best you could just like you
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look at it with your eyes and you go this is
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this guy's the best but greatest is such a subjective
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thing but like like i definitely think crawford
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like especially because how dense boxing's history
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is yeah you gotta put people like johnny johnny
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sullivan sullivan up there like you gotta say
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yeah like i was gonna say like you gotta put
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sell you gotta put joe lewis there Even though
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you know in your heart Crawford beats his ass,
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this guy has probably the single most culturally
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significant win ever in his rematch with Max
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Schmeling. I was going to say Jack Johnson. Jack
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Johnson, too. That's what I mean. The history
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of boxing is so dense. that i think crawford
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not saying crawford is top 20 isn't like disrespectful
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but it's like his skills transcend whatever notoriety
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he may have lacked yeah i don't see it as disrespectful
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as like in a sport that has less of a history
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i agree somewhat All right, let's keep it rolling
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because we got another... We went a while there.
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Yeah, there's another piece that I want to spend
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a lot of time on. So really quick, we'll talk
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about them more in a second, but Inoue and Nakatani,
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they're aiming for May 2nd at the Tokyo Dome.
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So that's cool. Fucking Jaime Munguia passes
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on fighting Osles Iglesias for the IBF title.
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Like, you expected this because, like, I'm going
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to be real. I watched – I actually – I thought
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Osles was, like, one of those, like, Ajit Kabayal,
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like, me – like, I'm just trying to be different
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picks. I want to be the first on the train. Yeah,
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like, I just want to be different because if
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I'm wrong, I just say I try. Like, it was a risk,
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right? Yeah. But, like, no, this guy actually
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has – this guy is kind of crazy for 168. Mm -hmm.
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But he's also not... He won't attract enough
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numbers yet. You assume that Munguia, his chin's
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been cracked, his skills have always been limited.
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You want one more fight against someone huge.
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I personally think that if moved right, he can
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become... a decently known guy within the sport.
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Not maybe with the sports community in general,
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but within the sport. Just on skills and if he
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keeps fighting, absolutely. But I am going to
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say that if you're Munguia, you don't want to
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run into that right now because you're basically
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going to get your ass kicked in a Montreal casino
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for pennies. No, I think Iglesias is becoming
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one of Turkey's fucking pets. Oh, I know, but
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his last five fights have been in Quebec. You
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said that Iglesias is being moved by Turkey?
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How is that? No, I think I'm... Wasn't his last
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card fucking a... He beat Shishkin in Montreal.
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Okay, then never mind. I mixed it up. Never mind.
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No, he's been fighting under... He's been on
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Eye of the Tiger cards. Yeah. I figure, like,
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it's going to go to purse bids. Goldenboy isn't
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going to be able to afford it, so it's going
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to end up being Eye of the Tiger that picks it
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up. So... Well, I don't think he's not even a
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Goldenboy anymore. I think he's still a top rank.
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Yeah. So I'm saying, like, if you're Munguia,
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you avoid that fight. Like, you don't. Well,
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I mean, that's a high risk, pretty low reward.
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Low reward. Because the thing is that, like,
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Iglesias is in that spot where, like, if Munguia
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wins, oh, he's been exposed. Yeah. And if Iglesias
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wins, Munguia gets none of the benefit. He's
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just, especially, like, all, like, really what
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we remember isn't even the Canelo loss. We remember
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Saras putting him out to pasture and him having
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to use steroids to win. Exactly. A lackluster
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win at that. A very lackluster win. On the IBF
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rankings, Iglesias is first. The second slot
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is empty. Third is Canelo, who also ducked Iglesias.
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Fourth is Munguia. Canelo's not on the timeline.
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We don't even know if Canelo's coming back. They
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say he's back in training. Yeah, but for what?
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Circus show fights or real? Probably against
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Jake Paul. Nothing legit. That's what I mean.
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Iglesias is a legit guy, I fear. If Canelo comes
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back, it's going to be against someone like Shiraz.
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It's going to be a British guy. Shiraz is busy,
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though, with Pacheco. I mean, Canelo's saying
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he's going to come back in September. He's not
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going to come back in May. Yeah, we'll see what
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it's against, but the point is that Iglesias
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wants that title now because he's 28. You want
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to maximize your prime. Iglesias is going to
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get that title no matter what. He's going to
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get all the titles if he can. But you don't want
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to stall in making the fight. You want that title
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now, and he's in his prime. I mean, there's also
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William Skoll, but I don't think they fucking
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order that around. Skoll is at 10th. After Munguia
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is... I'm just going to go down the rankings.
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Yeah, is Shiraz, Troy Williamson, whatever. It's
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probably going to be Troy Williamson. Because
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the way you can do it, because Eye of the Tiger,
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they just take a cut. They don't really care
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that much about, like, you're my fighter, you're
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my fighter. They just keep taking a cut. So what
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would happen is... Send him over to the UK to
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fight Troy Williamson for a title on a match
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or wonder card of some kind or Saudi. Eddie signs
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him. And then from there, you carry on. That's
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the most likely option. I see that title fight
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happening on a real season card. Yeah, like it's
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going to be like a way like you take one of the
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British guys that Eddie has that are ranked.
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Like Troy Williamson right there. You. You put
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him up, Eddie signs him, either Tiger's pretty
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content to keep cashing checks slash keeping
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him busy in Quebec, especially if he has that
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world title. You go to one of the casinos in
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Quebec and go like, yeah, we have a world title
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fight. You'd be surprised how it fills in. When
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they had better be fighting Marcus Brown, it's
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pretty cool. I don't know. I'm pretty sure that...
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if Munguia's not going to fight him, it's got
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to be someone like Troy Williamson. Because Troy
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Williamson, that seems like the type of guy that
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will take that fight. Because, I mean, if it's
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no one else, it's going to be, you know, they're
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giving him a shot. Who else is going to give
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him a shot, you know? I did see a bit of news
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that Troy Williamson might be looking to defend
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his EBU title instead. Yeah, but if the IBF mandates
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it, he's going to... I don't see why he wouldn't
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take it, but... Like, he's sitting on the EBU
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belt until he gets a title shot, like what Avanesian
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did twice. They just, like... Because there's
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no reason, like, he's bad enough to lose to any
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of those guys at the European level. But, um...
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Who knows? Who knows? I hope he gets the fight
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soon. I don't want to waste much time, especially
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now that Crawford say what you will about him
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not faking any defenses. At least he's letting
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the division move. Let's keep it moving. He only
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fought once last year, I believe. And the year
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before that, I think he only fought twice. You
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also got to get some activity, too, because one
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fight a year at your prime age like that ain't
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going to work out. He had four fights in 2024
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and then one fight in 2025. Oh, he had four fights
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in 2024? Yes. Oh, okay. But only one fight last
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year, which is not good. Yeah. All right. So,
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yeah, Munguia. Quack, quack. So we came across
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this excellent write -up. It was about the National
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Combat Sports Summit. Yes, I did see this article.
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Man, we got some good stuff out of this. Jack
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Reese, apparently since he retired from refereeing.
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Fucking finally, by the way. He was kind of like
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the head or the keynote speaker or something
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for this. Let's see. Some of the key takeaways
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I got out of it from Jack Reese. His words. We
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got to get rid of the old thinking and revitalize
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the manuals. In the Tank Davis versus Lamont
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Roach fight, we couldn't find it written anywhere
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that when you take a knee voluntarily, it's a
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knockdown. It's always been the policy most everybody
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always used, but now it's in writing. Man, that
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kind of made me mad again about that fucking
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fight. Still gets under my skin. I watched Lamont
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Rocher's cruise last night. I was thinking about
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Lamont Rocher's plight. Thank you. I have a funny
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anecdote because I did end up being right that
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it was something weird that there was nothing
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in paper to handle it with. I ended up being
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proven right about inadequate training or standards
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for judging and refereeing that need to be updated.
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I ended up being proven right here. But I have
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a story, and it's lacrosse related, but it ends
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up being the same principle. So in lacrosse,
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there's regulations on how the stick is to be
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constructed and everything. Like stick length,
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how wide it has to be, how long the strings are,
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a lot of things. But it didn't have trick construction.
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That rule was created when at a national championship,
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a stick check was called on a midfielder who
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had a stick that the shaft was a paint roller.
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So like you click the button and it extends itself
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to play defense. And then you click the button
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again and it like folds back in to a short length
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one to play offense. And it was something like
27:57
so weird and not in the rules that technically
28:00
they had to let it fly for that national championships.
28:03
But then very next year it was in paper trick
28:05
instruction. And it's a very, very similar thing
28:10
here. But it's something so fundamental that's
28:13
been used for years. Yeah, it was the de facto
28:15
rule. Yeah, but it wasn't a rule. So, like, that's
28:22
the thing. So, like, you get a guy, like, especially
28:25
because, like, say what you will about Steve
28:26
Willis, he's always had pretty normal fights.
28:30
Yeah. Like, when guys are taking knees, it's
28:32
because they're being folded by body shots. It's
28:37
like he hasn't had, like, a hard night's work.
28:39
So, again, like... I'm glad it's in paper and
28:43
I'm glad the sport is taking steps to consider
28:45
this type of thing and scoring as well. It makes
28:49
the sport better. Yeah. Because again, like it's
28:52
not, oh, that'll never happen. It did happen.
28:58
One, two other points from, or one point more
29:02
from Jack Reese was his words. We sanction competitive
29:06
bouts. When the bout is no longer competitive,
29:09
we get the guy out of there. Yesterday's solutions
29:12
don't solve today's problems. Don't confuse activity
29:15
with effectiveness. So there looks like they're
29:22
going to be pulling the plug a little bit quicker.
29:27
Another one, the push, the summit. One of the
29:33
key pieces was the push to eliminate 10 -10 rounds,
29:37
even in ultra -competitive or if there's no action
29:42
in the round. And Jack Reese called 10 -10 scoring
29:47
unacceptable. The head of the California State
29:51
Athletic Commission said, if you score 10 -10
29:54
rounds, don't expect a call from us ever again.
29:57
Good. Like... 10 -10 rounds is something that,
30:02
like, if you're a teenager watching boxing and,
30:06
like, you don't really know what's going on,
30:07
you do. Not as a professional judge judging a
30:12
world title fight. Or British judge. Yeah, they're
30:16
notorious. That's, like, honestly, I interpreted
30:19
that as Jack Rees, like, basically taking a jab
30:24
at how they run things in the UK. Yeah, probably.
30:29
Because it's pretty bad. So the move to ax 10
30:36
-10 rounds, which is a good thing. Another thing
30:39
was the Association of Boxing Commissions. They
30:44
want judges to more liberally award 10 -8 rounds
30:50
in cases when a fighter decisively wins a round.
30:54
That was something I had mentioned some years
30:56
ago when we were talking about shitty draws or
31:00
bad scoring in general. Is that a possibility?
31:04
And everyone that I had talked to at the time
31:07
was pretty against it. But it looks like that's
31:11
the direction they're going anyway. I don't know.
31:15
Not sure how I feel about this one. It needs
31:19
to be a very strict on -paper criteria because
31:22
decisively wins a round is so vague. Right. Like,
31:27
I think visibly hurt is a good one. Yeah, if
31:34
they're buzzed. But, like, borderline, baseline
31:37
criteria, right? Like, without, like, if you
31:40
just want to put it in simple words, you go...
31:47
You go visibly hurt. Spends whole round against
31:52
ropes. Right? Or if they throw no punches and
31:58
the other person does. Inactivity. See, that's
32:01
what I mean. You need a table of officials to
32:04
sit around and spitball scenarios in which it
32:08
would apply. Because if you just get decisively
32:11
one... you're going to end up with a... That's
32:14
going to open for corruption. Yeah, exactly.
32:16
It's going to backfire because you're going to
32:18
say, oh, he decides... Like, literally, Cruz
32:20
Roach. You can say, oh, Cruz decisively won that
32:23
round because you didn't get an angle where you
32:26
saw Roach catching and shooting. Mm -hmm. Right?
32:30
And that ends up being a 10 -8 instead of, like,
32:33
a 10 -9 that's shaded one way. 100 % agree. I
32:37
mean, honestly, I agree with all you guys have
32:39
taken. I honestly think there's a lot of... downsides
32:41
a lot of uh cons versus pros i think uh one thing
32:46
though that i think it can you know inspire is
32:49
a little more activity in fights you know you
32:54
like you know sometimes in the beginning a couple
32:55
rounds where there's only one guy throwing another
32:58
guy's kind of one of the examples that they used
33:01
was uh the katie taylor amanda serrano rematch
33:04
the first round specifically where Like, I think
33:08
Katie Taylor landed the only punch of the round.
33:12
So that was one of the examples they were using
33:15
for, like, decisive 10 -8s or eliminating 10
33:19
-10s. But you see right there, if the fighters
33:24
knew that they could get a 10 -8 round and not
33:26
just be one round behind, but be two, that could
33:29
inspire more action in the fights, which, I mean,
33:31
can't be good in a sense. Yeah, the 1010 thing,
33:38
this is only for this national summit was for
33:41
obviously for the for Americans. So I think Suleiman,
33:47
the WBC guy, he was sponsored by the WBC. OK,
33:51
so, yeah, he was there and he was saying he wants
33:54
like these measures that they talked about to
33:56
be taken to the UK as well. Instant replay and
34:00
getting video replay the correct cards before
34:03
they get officially submitted were some points
34:05
I saw. Yes. That, like, they amend every issue
34:10
I've brought up with judging in this sport. Being
34:14
able to actually see the fight, not just from
34:17
an obstructed angle, will fix so much judging.
34:21
And the thing is that, like, when... Like, it
34:24
will make corruption obvious when it occurs.
34:27
Mm -hmm. It's not... Because, like, here we'll
34:31
get bad cards, and then you'll just have to be
34:33
like, well... If you see the fight with the ropes
34:39
in the way, equipment in the way, cameramen in
34:42
the way, from one angle, you can get it from
34:44
there. It's not even like you're coping with
34:51
a result. That's just how boxing is. Have you
34:56
ever had ringside seats to any kind of fight?
34:59
Even in amateurs. Even the amateurs, the judges
35:02
are worse. In the amateurs, the judges have it
35:05
even worse because there's moving parts right
35:08
next to you because they've got to get fight,
35:09
fight, fight, fight, fight done. And then some
35:13
of them just referee the fight or are about to
35:16
referee the next fight. They get tired. That
35:19
happens in the UK. It's something that, at the
35:25
very least, I'm not saying... Ostensibly, we
35:28
need more training and more officials, but that's
35:30
not going to happen, as in any sport. But these
35:34
safeguards to basically improve how these officials
35:40
conduct their business are so sorely needed because,
35:45
again, we're in a digital age. WBC also mentioned
35:51
that they're going to expand their use of the
35:54
five -judge panel. I don't mind that because,
35:58
again, the larger the sample size, the easier
36:03
it is to get an accurate result. Right. Maybe
36:06
you have one bad judge versus four good judges.
36:09
Yeah. Like four judges overrule one bad judge.
36:12
But different views of the fight, you get a more
36:15
accurate picture. It's like even three judges
36:19
with a good view of the fight versus two who
36:21
may have not. It's harder to pay off five judges
36:24
if we're going to go that route. that too and
36:28
um like eventually like with the five judge system
36:32
it's so awkward to fit them around the ring that
36:35
they're like venues are going to have to give
36:38
them what basically amounts to a little booth
36:40
oh i've been i've been saying that shit for fucking
36:43
years give at least one of them a booth off to
36:47
the side yeah the thing is that like there's
36:50
only four sides so you either put two on one
36:52
side and now it's unbalanced or you have to do
36:55
the booth idea and now that's what i mean like
36:59
the summit was like super like i get to be like
37:02
i told you so i told you so this is how this
37:06
is how we fix it this is like but the the part
37:09
that i'm not even i'm more content with the fact
37:12
that they're fixing it rather than just them
37:14
pointing out problems yeah if they pointed out
37:18
the problems like you're aware of it you're not
37:19
fixing it which is like sure i'm right but this
37:22
is ridiculous it's worse if they were to just
37:26
point it out and not do anything i would say
37:28
it'd be worse exactly i could put a problem not
37:31
fix it that's obvious exactly uh last bit uh
37:36
this is uh one of like towards the end of the
37:39
summit one of uh jack reese's Quotes, we've got
37:43
to get them out of there when they are no longer
37:46
competitive. Activity does not mean competitiveness.
37:50
As a referee, as a doctor, you need to realize
37:53
this long before the fans realize it. Fighters
37:56
don't like that. And we know father trainers
38:00
seem to never throw the towel in on their sons.
38:04
And the sons never quit in front of their fathers.
38:07
But we get to send the guy home to his family.
38:12
I agree with this because, like, there's literally
38:16
one exact clip that I will point out as this.
38:23
It's the, if you ever watched the ringside footage
38:26
of Gabe Rosado against Golovkin. Oh, Jesus. That's
38:31
the fight where I'll point about, like, this
38:33
is completely necessary. Because this old man
38:36
doesn't throw in the towel and it's this cut
38:38
man who goes like, dude, your son's going to
38:40
die out there and ends up throwing in the towel.
38:42
It's like a whole discussion ringside. And I
38:45
feel like that alone shows it, like demonstrates
38:49
the point being made there. But yeah, this article
38:57
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39:00
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39:03
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39:08
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Fucking recaps. We're going back a little bit
41:52
of ways. To December 27th, where we had the Knight
41:58
of the Samurai, ring card number 5. Too quickly,
42:03
Reito Tsutsumi knocks out Leobardo Quintana in
42:07
4. It was a nice win. And Erickson Garcia spoils
42:14
the all -Japanese win party by getting a close
42:18
decision over Taiga Imanaga. Co -main event,
42:23
Junto Nakatani gets a UD over Sebastian Hernandez
42:26
in his debut at Super Bantamweight. The chatter
42:32
online was a lot of people were disappointed
42:34
with Nakatani. Did people just not know who Sebastian
42:40
Hernandez was? I don't even think Nakatani knew
42:44
who Sebastian Hernandez was, judging by the frustration
42:47
that came on later. I don't blame him. He's one
42:51
of those... It's basically the turkey curse at
42:53
this point that one guy severely underperforms
42:57
on the marination. At least one guy severely
43:06
underperforms or loses. I'm glad he underperformed
43:11
instead of losing, though. Yeah. That would have
43:14
been dire. I think they would have done the fight
43:16
anyway. They would have done it, but I am going
43:19
to say it wasn't as much aura. Around Nakatani
43:22
at that point. Hernandez, more than anything,
43:26
has a chin. I will say. Nakatani, you can see
43:35
why Nakatani got frustrated and drained in later
43:39
rounds. Because those first four rounds where
43:41
he just... Most guys just kind of don't make
43:44
it out of those rounds. Especially flourishing
43:48
like Hernandez did. So, yeah, Nakatani could
43:54
have prepared better to box, but also, Jesus,
43:58
Hernandez has a head of stone. And that was a
44:02
damn good fight, though. Oh, that was a fun -ass
44:05
fight. Beautiful fight. Are you down on Nakatani
44:09
versus Inoue? Does it lose a little bit of its
44:12
luster because of this performance? I think it'll
44:17
be more of a surprise when it's... It was already
44:19
a niche fight for Hardcore's. So I think when
44:23
it ends up being competitive, it'll be a pleasant
44:26
surprise to a lot of people. One thing it doesn't
44:29
is it humanizes Nakatani. This is true, because
44:33
he was just killing guys up until now. True,
44:38
and Inoue has had his aura cracked a little bit
44:42
already. Yeah. And it continues to crack. Yeah,
44:47
speaking of which, Naoya Inoue, UD over. Does
44:52
he go by Alan Picasso? I'm pretty sure he does.
44:56
I'm pretty sure he goes by Alan, yeah. Well,
44:58
he doesn't go by Pablo, so... So, undisputed
45:07
Super Bantamweight Championship on the line,
45:09
and it was a fucking easy night of work in a
45:13
way. One thing about Picasso is that he's tough.
45:21
He was tough to stay in there with Inouye. I
45:24
gotta give it to him. I think Inouye is... He's
45:30
gotten a little bored offensively, if that makes
45:34
sense. Like, the creativity has not been there
45:39
his past two fights. I think he didn't want to
45:42
risk another knockdown. That's true. But still,
45:45
like, to be fair, like, there's Reckless. Like,
45:49
he wasn't like Cardenas. And like, like, like
45:53
I'm going to use the Fulton fights. The Fulton
45:54
fight was like, he was still defensively sound
45:58
and at his most creative. So there's a difference.
46:05
Yeah. I think he just looked a little bored,
46:08
which is not bad, but it is a little disappointing
46:13
considering it's a concerning pattern going into
46:17
a fight with Nakatani. Because if David Picasso
46:20
is able to counter you, Nakatani is going to
46:24
land a home run regardless of how wide the cards
46:27
are. I see what you guys were saying. It's not
46:32
taking a risk. It's a lesser opponent that he
46:35
knows is lesser. I feel like against guys like
46:41
Fulton or in the past like Donair, I feel like
46:46
he's... want to take more risks because he knows
46:48
the love of the opposition he had. Hmm. I was
46:55
going to stop up for the Nakatani. Yeah, at first
46:58
I was down on the fight, the Inoue Nakatani fight,
47:03
just because, but yeah, on further review, Nakatani
47:07
was alright. It's not the worst performance.
47:12
I still think he's going to lose pretty easily
47:15
or handily to Inouye. I just think, like, Hernandez
47:22
was like, he's such a, like, you can't really
47:26
get creative against Hernandez offensively either.
47:29
He's basically just a wall that walks towards
47:31
you. Like, I think with Inouye. Like, Nakatani's
47:38
offensive creativity shines a lot better against
47:42
an opponent who is offensively versatile compared
47:48
to Hernandez, who versatile is not a word I would
47:54
use to describe him in my life. One thing I can
47:59
say about Nakatani is that this fight also proved
48:00
that he will go to war to win a fight. Oh, absolutely.
48:03
He dug in there. Yeah, he dug in there deep.
48:06
Whereas guys will fucking quit. Like, you know,
48:08
Ryan. Against someone like Rowley, you know?
48:12
So, I think... I know, huh? I mean, I think Nakatani,
48:16
if... When faced against Inoue, he will not...
48:19
He will rather die. Oh, yeah. Like, that eye,
48:22
like, it did not look great. Which, honestly,
48:27
I feel like... I honestly feel like there's a
48:29
slight possibility that fight might be in jeopardy.
48:33
For May 2nd. For May 2nd. Might be a little too
48:37
soon. I feel like for the war that Nakatani was
48:39
in, I think, honestly, that he should take some
48:41
time to recover. Five months, though? Yeah, I
48:46
think, honestly, if they were to do it in September,
48:49
might be a little better. Shinata's in shambles.
48:54
I mean, you don't want to risk that fight, you
48:56
know? Right. I feel like with that Minecraft
49:01
Steve -ass head... That he fought? Nah, you're
49:06
right. Fuck. And the amount of punches he threw,
49:10
the amount of damage he took, you know, every
49:13
time you go into a war, a little bit of you stays
49:16
in that ring, you know? Right. So I think she
49:21
should take some time to recover. I would love
49:24
to see that fight in May, considering, you know,
49:26
Cinco de Mayo's kind of going to be a little
49:28
bleak this year. But we'll see. Anything more
49:36
for Night of the Samurai? Not really. Bam beats
49:42
both. Bam beats neither. We shall see. Alright,
49:49
moving to a quick one. Wednesday, December 31st.
49:53
Shisei Promotions at the Ota City Gym. It's the
49:56
traditional fight festival that the Japanese
50:00
do. There's a whole bunch of shit. There's a
50:03
lot of stoppages on the card. But I'm going to
50:05
be honest, I could not find a valid replay. So
50:09
the only one I did see, Kazuto Ioka, he stops
50:13
Michael Ordoskoidi in four. That was a good one.
50:19
Yeah, it was a really dominant performance. Ioka
50:22
looked good at 118. So the expectation is that
50:27
he's going to fight Takuma Inoue. So that should
50:30
be fun. Should be a fun fight. Oh, like, we were
50:37
talking, and, like, Shannara had asked, like,
50:39
about the kneeling not being an automatic point
50:44
deduction, not being a rule. And she asked, how
50:49
often do we even see people take a knee? Or the
50:53
Scoidy took a shitload of knees. The one I think
50:59
of is Donair, like, running behind the ref. That's
51:04
the one I think of when I think of voluntary
51:06
knees. And Saturday, January 3rd. Starting off
51:17
the year. There was a lot of stuff on here. Ones
51:24
that I wanted to point out. Alexis Ariza beats
51:28
Ebony Bridges by decision. Yeah, that was a bit
51:32
of a surprise. That was an upset, yeah. So congrats
51:35
to Alexis. Juan Tapia stopped in seven by Henry
51:40
LeBron. The MVP fighter, Yankeel Rivera, drops
51:46
the ball to Jonathan Gonzalez. Fucking Holly
51:50
Holm loses to Stephanie Hahn. Stephanie Hahn
51:55
retains her WBA lightweight title. It was stopped
51:59
by in the seventh. for a clash of heads, I think.
52:05
It was a cut on Han's forehead. It wasn't even
52:10
that bad, to be honest. I think they were bailing
52:13
out Holly Holm. Yeah, because she definitely
52:17
was tiring out at that point, I agree. She's
52:20
also a little older. Yeah, she was clearly outmatched.
52:23
It seems like she's been out there forever. Can't
52:28
lie. And in the main event, Amanda Serrano gets
52:33
the decision over Reyna Tellez. She was really
52:39
going for the knockout, but didn't manage to
52:42
get it. I think she's a few behind the record
52:46
for most knockouts by a female fighter. So that
52:55
was fun. Request? Yep. And that's it for the
53:04
recaps. Not a whole lot. Not a lot. But things
53:08
will start picking up soon. It's also a light
53:11
weekend. There's nothing on Saturday. But we
53:15
do have two cards on Friday, January 16th. Ass
53:20
crack of dawn in the fucking morning. Early ass
53:24
morning. No limit in Australia. A bunch of shit
53:29
on here that I don't really care about. Liam
53:31
Paro versus Patty Donovan. I think this is canceled
53:34
because Patty Donovan got sick. Yes, to my knowledge.
53:40
And Nikita Zu versus Michael Zarafa at middleweight.
53:45
So that's fun. Oh, no limit special. Yeah. Put
53:49
up or shut up for Nikita Zu. Definitely. Zarafa's
53:53
a good test. Hold on, let me see if this is the
54:00
same guy I'm thinking of. Yeah, Liam Wilson is
54:05
on this one. What the hell kind of name is this?
54:09
Rodex Piala? Rodex? That dude sounds like he
54:14
fucks. He sounds like a Discord user on our fucking
54:19
server. He really does. Yeah, he sounds like
54:22
he fucks. He's Filipino. Well, there you go.
54:29
So Liam Wilson, I guess. He fought Oscar Valdez
54:32
a few times. So that's fun. And this card is
54:41
honestly ass. Golden Boy at the Aquisher Arena.
54:49
It's like all fucking Golden Boy prospects. It's
54:54
the usual slop right here. The headline is Alexis
54:57
Rocha versus Raul Curiel. I didn't even see the
55:02
first one, so it's difficult. Apparently it was
55:05
fun. Was it? Apparently. Okay, well. Apparently.
55:10
Yeah. Apparently. Don't take my word for it.
55:12
I don't want to be held responsible for it. I
55:17
mean, I've seen highlights of it. It seemed all
55:19
right. If it was a really fun fight, then everybody
55:21
would be hearing about it. Everybody would be
55:23
talking about it. They got this guy, Ruslan Abdullaev.
55:28
I think he was an amateur standout. Yes. I'm
55:35
just shocked Goldenboy still has prospects. That's
55:37
the part that I'm like, wow, that's actually...
55:40
Goldenboy has a decent... Yeah, this is a pretty
55:43
filled -in roster, shockingly. Scrappy Ramirez.
55:50
Scrappy Ramirez is always a good watch, I will
55:52
say. I'm pretty sure Edwards is on the right.
55:59
No, I don't think. I won't be watching. Yeah,
56:06
but that's all we got coming up. One thing I
56:10
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What do we got? Wait, when we were doing the
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lists... After the next... Or the next recording.
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Okay, excellent. It's an all night party. Parting
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words. Happy New Year, guys. Hopefully the box
1:00:24
is good this year. And fuck Dana White. We'll
1:00:32
be talking about him next time. I was going to
1:00:37
say something similar to that. Let's go OG. Let's
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go Virgil. Hopefully he gets a title this year.
1:00:46
Another year of Virgil not winning a world title.
1:00:50
My favorite meme. Inoue Nakatani happens before
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Virgil gets a title shot. Japanese Super Bowl
1:00:59
before Virgil belled. I feel like we should do
1:01:03
a predictions list. What happens this year? Oh,
1:01:07
we should start publishing predictions lists
1:01:09
for important fights. Keep track. Like a picks
1:01:11
league. Okay. Yeah, I can start keeping track
1:01:14
of that. Bad Left Hook used to do that. And you
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know what? It would be good because then we could
1:01:19
keep each other in check. Well, I was right about
1:01:22
pretty much everything last year. We started
1:01:24
the year. You're fucking pretty awesome about
1:01:25
that. We could just use the Discord pick league
1:01:30
for keeping track. That's true. No, but what
1:01:33
I mean is like, oh, like if Boots versus Virgil
1:01:36
is going to happen or Wilder fights Boots type
1:01:39
of thing, you know, that's another thing I was
1:01:40
talking about, you know. You know, I've been
1:01:42
hearing a lot that Wilder Usyk is set for end
1:01:46
of April. End of April in L .A.? Yeah, in L .A.
1:01:50
Honestly, I like I don't want to see the fight,
1:01:52
but I want to see the fight. I already told my
1:01:56
dad if that happens, we're going to go watch
1:01:57
that fight. I don't know if I'd want to travel
1:02:00
for that. Depends on the undercard. I'll do some
1:02:05
press. All right. Let's get the hell out of here.
1:02:08
That's it for this edition of the Boxing B -Sides.
1:02:11
We'll fucking see you on the other side of Nikita
1:02:14
Zoo beating Michael Zarafa. Hopefully. Oh, boy.