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How Leaders Let Go: Buddhist Mind Training in Business · The Living Conversation

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  Foreign.
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  I'm
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  Anthony
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  Wright
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  and
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  I
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  am
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  your
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  co
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  host
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  today
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  on
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  Attunement
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  and
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  the
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  Living
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  Conversation
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  with
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  my
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  co
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  host,
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  Adam
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  Dietz.
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  Welcome.
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  And
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  we
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  have
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  a
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  guest.
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  And
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  our
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  guest
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  is
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  Nick
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  Egan.
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  Welcome,
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  Nick.
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  Thank
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  you.
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  Great
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  to
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  be
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  here.
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  And
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  you
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  are
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  an
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  executive
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  coach,
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  but
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  you
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  were
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  also
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  a
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  student
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  at
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  the
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  California
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  Institute
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  of
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  Integral
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  Studies
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  under
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  Steven
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  Goodman,
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  who
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  was
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  the
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  Tibetan
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  Buddhist
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  scholar.
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  So
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  do
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  you
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  speak
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  Tibetan?
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  That's
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  true.
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  I
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  can
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  muddle
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  Tibetan.
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  It
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  was
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  mostly
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  classical
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  Tibetan,
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  so
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  my
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  reading
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  is
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  better
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  than
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  my
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  speaking.
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  Okay.
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  Now
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  it's
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  been.
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  I'm
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  quite
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  out
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  of
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  practice.
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  Yeah.
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  But
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  and
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  my
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  other
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  question
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  first
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  is,
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  has
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  you.
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  Have
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  you
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  ever
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  been
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  in
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  the
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  presence
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  of
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  His
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  Holiness?
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  I
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  have,
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  yeah.
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  His
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  Holiness
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  is
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  Alaiwami?
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  Yeah.
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  Oh,
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  that's
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  extraordinary.
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  Oh,
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  you
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  did?
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  Personally.
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  Wow.
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  What
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  an
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  incredible
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  energy
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  of
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  a.
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  Of
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  a
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  human
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  being.
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  Yeah,
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  he
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  is.
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  He
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  is
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  definitely
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  a
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  guiding
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  light
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  to
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  the
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  world
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  for
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  sure.
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  And
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  if
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  I'm
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  not,
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  am
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  I
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  correct
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  in
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  understanding
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  that
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  he's
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  the
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  reincarnation
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  of
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  Avalakitesvara?
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  Yeah,
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  so
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  yes,
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  that's
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  correct.
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  So
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  Avlikateshvara,
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  the
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  Bodhisattva
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  of
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  compassion,
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  he
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  is
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  considered
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  to
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  be
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  an
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  incarnation.
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  So,
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  I
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  mean,
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  we
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  can
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  get
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  into
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  the
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  technicalities
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  of
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  it.
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  In
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  reason,
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  though,
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  I'm
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  just
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  curious.
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  Bodhisattva
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  would
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  be
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  at
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  that
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  level.
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  So
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  like
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  a
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  high
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  level
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  Bodhisattva,
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  you'd
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  be
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  considered
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  like
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  an
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  emanation.
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  So
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  he's
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  the
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  reincarnation
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  of
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  previous
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  Dalai
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  Lamas.
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  He's
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  an
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  emanation
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  of
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  that
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  bodhisattva.
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  Oh,
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  okay.
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  That's
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  very
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  useful.
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  Well,
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  anyway,
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  so
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  you're.
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  You're
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  an
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  executive
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  coach
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  and
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  you
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  use
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  a.
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  I'm
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  reading
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  your
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  bio.
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  Deep
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  understanding
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  of
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  positive
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  psychology
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  and
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  Buddhist
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  philosophy
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  to
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  encourage
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  personal
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  and
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  organizational
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  growth.
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  Tell
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  us
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  about,
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  first
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  of
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  all,
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  how
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  did
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  you
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  come
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  to
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  executive
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  coaching?
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  So
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  my
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  undergrad
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  was
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  in
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  psychology,
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  and
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  I
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  thought
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  I
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  would
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  become
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  something
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  of
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  a
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  therapist.
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  And
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  at
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  the
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  time,
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  I
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  was
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  really
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  interested
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  in
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  the
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  understanding
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  of
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  the
• 2:39
  mind,
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  how
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  the
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  mind
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  works.
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  And
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  I
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  became
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  a
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  bit
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  jaded
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  with
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  at
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  least
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  the
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  psychological
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  principles
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  that
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  were
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  given
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  to
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  me
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  through
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  that
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  kind
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  of
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  cohort.
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  Not
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  to
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  say
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  all
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  of
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  it.
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  Not
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  the
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  field
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  in
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  general.
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  Well,
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  from
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  there
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  I
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  decided,
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  yeah,
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  I
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  don't
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  want
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  to
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  become
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  a
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  therapist.
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  I
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  want
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  to
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  just
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  study
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  what
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  I've
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  been
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  practicing.
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  So
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  I
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  started
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  practicing
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  Dharma
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  from
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  a
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  very
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  young
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  age,
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  from
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  the
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  time
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  I
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  was
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  16.
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  Master,
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  and
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  then
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  later
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  under
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  a
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  Tibetan
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  teacher.
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  And
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  so
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  then
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  I
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  thought,
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  well,
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  I'll
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  go
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  study
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  philosophy
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  and
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  religion.
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  Did
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  that
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  for
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  masters.
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  And
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  then
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  obviously,
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  like
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  Buddhism
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  Was
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  my
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  chosen
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  area.
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  So
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  then
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  studied
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  Indo,
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  Tibetan
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  Buddhism
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  for
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  People,
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  PhD,
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  did
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  field
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  work
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  in
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  Nepal
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  and
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  all
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  of
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  that
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  stuff.
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  Wow.
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  And
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  then
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  somebody
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  came
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  along
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  and
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  said
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  actually
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  was
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  a
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  friend
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  of
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  mine
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  had
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  had
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  a
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  coaching
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  session.
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  I
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  had
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  heard
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  about
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  coaching,
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  just
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  like
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  life
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  coaching,
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  executive
• 3:26
  coaching.
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  This
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  is
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  a
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  long
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  time
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  ago,
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  10
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  years
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  ago.
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  And
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  she
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  was
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  giving
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  away
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  free
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  sessions,
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  this
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  lady,
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  she
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  was
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  an
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  ad
• 3:34
  executive
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  out
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  of
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  Chicago
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  session
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  a
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  bit
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  arrogant
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  and
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  thinking
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  like,
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  well
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  I've
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  been
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  meditating
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  for
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  20
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  years,
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  I
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  have
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  all
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  these
• 3:41
  academic
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  degrees
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  and
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  stuff.
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  But
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  in
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  the
• 3:43
  session
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  I
• 3:44
  thought,
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  oh
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  like
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  a
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  huge
• 3:45
  light
• 3:45
  bulb
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  went
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  off
• 3:46
  and
• 3:46
  thought
• 3:46
  that's
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  exactly
• 3:47
  the
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  kind
• 3:48
  of
• 3:48
  method
• 3:49
  that
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  I
• 3:49
  wanted
• 3:49
  to
• 3:49
  be
• 3:50
  practicing.
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  And
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  so
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  I
• 3:51
  did
• 3:51
  the
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  same
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  training
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  that
• 3:52
  she
• 3:52
  did.
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  And
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  then
• 3:53
  from
• 3:53
  there
• 3:54
  if
• 3:54
  you
• 3:54
  can
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  kind
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  of
• 3:54
  speak
• 3:55
  fluent
• 3:55
  business,
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  you
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  oftentimes
• 3:56
  get
• 3:57
  tracked
• 3:57
  into
• 3:58
  the
• 3:58
  executive
• 3:58
  coaching.
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  Like
• 3:59
  coaching
• 3:59
  is
• 3:59
  just
• 3:59
  coaching.
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  Therapy
• 4:01
  is
• 4:01
  just
• 4:01
  therapy.
• 4:01
  But
• 4:01
  there's
• 4:01
  different
• 4:02
  modalities.
• 4:02
  So.
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  Right.
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  These
• 4:04
  days
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  mostly
• 4:04
  what
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  I
• 4:05
  work
• 4:05
  with
• 4:05
  is
• 4:06
  either
• 4:06
  founders,
• 4:07
  entrepreneurs,
• 4:07
  or
• 4:08
  oftentimes
• 4:09
  corporate.
• 4:10
  So
• 4:10
  you
• 4:10
  doko
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  san
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  with
• 4:13
  executives?
• 4:15
  What's
• 4:15
  that?
• 4:15
  You
• 4:16
  do
• 4:16
  doko
• 4:16
  san
• 4:16
  with
• 4:17
  executives?
• 4:18
  Yeah,
• 4:18
  yeah.
• 4:19
  Maybe
• 4:19
  not
• 4:20
  quite
• 4:20
  as
• 4:20
  impactful.
• 4:21
  Well
• 4:21
  but
• 4:21
  I
• 4:22
  mean
• 4:22
  that's
• 4:23
  so
• 4:23
  interesting
• 4:23
  that
• 4:24
  I'm
• 4:24
  learning
• 4:24
  how
• 4:24
  to
• 4:25
  speak
• 4:25
  business
• 4:25
  myself
• 4:26
  and
• 4:26
  going
• 4:26
  through
• 4:26
  an
• 4:26
  MBA
• 4:27
  program
• 4:28
  and
• 4:28
  it's
• 4:28
  really
• 4:29
  different.
• 4:29
  And
• 4:30
  I'm
• 4:30
  finding
• 4:30
  that
• 4:32
  the
• 4:32
  business
• 4:32
  terms
• 4:33
  in
• 4:33
  English
• 4:34
  are
• 4:34
  really
• 4:35
  laden
• 4:35
  with
• 4:36
  certain
• 4:38
  limiting
• 4:39
  structures.
• 4:41
  So
• 4:41
  for
• 4:41
  example,
• 4:41
  the
• 4:42
  idea
• 4:42
  of
• 4:42
  cost.
• 4:43
  Well,
• 4:43
  wait,
• 4:44
  it's
• 4:44
  an
• 4:44
  outlay.
• 4:44
  Well,
• 4:45
  it's
• 4:45
  gonna
• 4:45
  cost
• 4:45
  you.
• 4:46
  Well,
• 4:46
  wow.
• 4:47
  What.
• 4:47
  You
• 4:47
  know,
• 4:48
  there's
• 4:48
  a
• 4:48
  lot
• 4:48
  of
• 4:48
  baggage
• 4:49
  on
• 4:49
  this
• 4:49
  stuff.
• 4:50
  So
• 4:51
  what
• 4:52
  would
• 4:52
  you
• 4:52
  say
• 4:52
  that
• 4:54
  the
• 4:59
  many
• 4:59
  of
• 5:00
  the
• 5:00
  coach
• 5:00
  and
• 5:00
  particularly
• 5:01
  in
• 5:01
  these
• 5:01
  times,
• 5:01
  what
• 5:01
  many
• 5:02
  of
• 5:02
  the
• 5:02
  coaching
• 5:02
  clients
• 5:04
  are
• 5:05
  finding
• 5:06
  troubling.
• 5:09
  So.
• 5:12
  Usually
• 5:14
  my
• 5:14
  clients,
• 5:14
  depending
• 5:15
  on
• 5:15
  what
• 5:15
  they're
• 5:15
  doing,
• 5:16
  they
• 5:16
  struggle
• 5:17
  with
• 5:17
  things
• 5:17
  like
• 5:17
  delegation,
• 5:18
  things
• 5:18
  like
• 5:19
  letting
• 5:19
  go,
• 5:19
  delegation
• 5:20
  responsibilities,
• 5:21
  delegation.
• 5:22
  So
• 5:22
  if
• 5:22
  you're
• 5:22
  a
• 5:23
  high,
• 5:23
  a
• 5:23
  high
• 5:23
  performing
• 5:24
  individual
• 5:24
  contributor
• 5:25
  or
• 5:25
  high
• 5:25
  performing
• 5:26
  at
• 5:26
  a
• 5:26
  certain
• 5:26
  level
• 5:26
  and
• 5:27
  then
• 5:27
  all
• 5:27
  of
• 5:27
  a
• 5:27
  sudden
• 5:27
  you
• 5:28
  get
• 5:28
  ramped
• 5:28
  up
• 5:28
  to.
• 5:29
  Let's
• 5:29
  say
• 5:29
  you're
• 5:29
  running
• 5:30
  a
• 5:30
  team
• 5:30
  of
• 5:30
  15
• 5:30
  people.
• 5:31
  Right.
• 5:31
  You
• 5:31
  have
• 5:31
  to
• 5:32
  run
• 5:32
  a
• 5:32
  team
• 5:32
  of
• 5:33
  people
• 5:33
  that's
• 5:33
  running
• 5:34
  a
• 5:34
  team
• 5:34
  of
• 5:34
  150
• 5:35
  people.
• 5:35
  Surprise.
• 5:36
  You
• 5:36
  have
• 5:36
  to
• 5:36
  have
• 5:36
  a
• 5:37
  mindset
• 5:37
  shift.
• 5:37
  Yeah.
• 5:38
  So
• 5:38
  a
• 5:38
  lot
• 5:38
  of
• 5:39
  the
• 5:39
  work
• 5:39
  that
• 5:39
  I
• 5:39
  do
• 5:39
  is
• 5:40
  by
• 5:40
  is
• 5:40
  mindset
• 5:41
  shifts.
• 5:41
  But
• 5:41
  it's
• 5:41
  kind
• 5:42
  of,
• 5:42
  it's
• 5:42
  a,
• 5:43
  it's
• 5:43
  hidden
• 5:44
  in
• 5:44
  the
• 5:44
  guise
• 5:44
  of
• 5:45
  strategic
• 5:45
  discussions.
• 5:47
  We
• 5:47
  talk
• 5:48
  strategy,
• 5:48
  then
• 5:48
  we
• 5:49
  talk
• 5:49
  tactics.
• 5:49
  But
• 5:49
  then
• 5:50
  at
• 5:50
  the
• 5:50
  heart
• 5:50
  of
• 5:50
  it
• 5:51
  it's,
• 5:51
  it's
• 5:51
  mindset,
• 5:52
  which
• 5:53
  is
• 5:53
  where
• 5:53
  the
• 5:53
  understanding
• 5:54
  of
• 5:54
  Buddhism
• 5:54
  I
• 5:54
  think
• 5:55
  comes
• 5:55
  in.
• 5:55
  At
• 5:55
  least
• 5:56
  on
• 5:56
  The
• 5:56
  Tibetan
• 5:57
  side
• 5:57
  of
• 5:57
  things.
• 5:58
  There's
• 5:58
  a
• 5:58
  really
• 5:58
  strong
• 5:59
  tradition
• 5:59
  around
• 6:00
  Logojong,
• 6:00
  which
• 6:00
  means,
• 6:01
  like,
• 6:01
  mind
• 6:01
  training
• 6:02
  would
• 6:02
  be
• 6:03
  considered
• 6:03
  more
• 6:03
  like.
• 6:04
  What's
• 6:04
  that?
• 6:06
  The
• 6:06
  name
• 6:06
  of
• 6:06
  it
• 6:07
  is
• 6:07
  called
• 6:07
  Logojun
• 6:08
  Lojong.
• 6:09
  Lojong.
• 6:10
  Okay.
• 6:11
  Low
• 6:11
  meaning,
• 6:12
  like
• 6:12
  train.
• 6:13
  Okay.
• 6:13
  It's.
• 6:14
  It's
• 6:15
  like
• 6:15
  reflective
• 6:16
  analysis.
• 6:16
  So
• 6:16
  it's
• 6:17
  not
• 6:17
  meditation
• 6:17
  the
• 6:18
  way
• 6:18
  that
• 6:18
  most
• 6:18
  people
• 6:18
  think
• 6:19
  about
• 6:19
  it.
• 6:19
  It's
• 6:19
  like
• 6:19
  thinking
• 6:20
  about
• 6:20
  cause
• 6:21
  and
• 6:21
  effect
• 6:21
  within
• 6:22
  a
• 6:22
  relational
• 6:23
  sense.
• 6:24
  Okay.
• 6:25
  All
• 6:25
  right.
• 6:26
  And
• 6:26
  so
• 6:27
  you're
• 6:27
  assisting
• 6:27
  people
• 6:28
  to
• 6:28
  make
• 6:28
  a
• 6:28
  transition
• 6:29
  into
• 6:30
  a
• 6:30
  different
• 6:30
  mindset.
• 6:33
  That's.
• 6:33
  That's
• 6:34
  the
• 6:34
  whole.
• 6:34
  The
• 6:34
  hope,
• 6:36
  the
• 6:36
  goal.
• 6:36
  Yeah.
• 6:37
  And
• 6:38
  if
• 6:38
  you
• 6:38
  can't
• 6:38
  change
• 6:39
  your
• 6:39
  mindset,
• 6:39
  you're
• 6:39
  not
• 6:40
  going
• 6:40
  to
• 6:40
  be
• 6:40
  able
• 6:40
  to
• 6:40
  actually
• 6:41
  affect
• 6:41
  change.
• 6:42
  Yeah,
• 6:42
  that's
• 6:43
  right.
• 6:43
  That's
• 6:44
  right.
• 6:45
  So,
• 6:46
  Adam,
• 6:47
  do
• 6:47
  you
• 6:47
  have
• 6:47
  anything
• 6:49
  that
• 6:50
  you
• 6:50
  want
• 6:51
  to
• 6:51
  check
• 6:51
  in
• 6:51
  with
• 6:51
  Nick
• 6:52
  about
• 6:52
  in
• 6:53
  this
• 6:53
  line
• 6:54
  as
• 6:54
  you're
• 6:54
  speaking.
• 6:54
  Already,
• 6:55
  and
• 6:55
  I
• 6:55
  know
• 6:55
  you
• 6:56
  have
• 6:56
  some
• 6:56
  similar
• 6:56
  background
• 6:57
  in
• 6:57
  also
• 6:58
  Daoism.
• 7:00
  Do
• 7:00
  you
• 7:00
  find
• 7:02
  that
• 7:04
  the
• 7:04
  Daoist
• 7:05
  method
• 7:06
  of
• 7:06
  leadership
• 7:07
  can
• 7:07
  come
• 7:07
  into
• 7:09
  effect
• 7:10
  here?
• 7:12
  Yeah,
• 7:13
  the.
• 7:14
  The
• 7:15
  Taoist,
• 7:16
  I
• 7:16
  mean,
• 7:16
  thinking
• 7:17
  of
• 7:17
  like.
• 7:18
  When
• 7:18
  you
• 7:18
  say
• 7:18
  delegating,
• 7:19
  right,
• 7:19
  then
• 7:19
  we're.
• 7:20
  Like,
• 7:20
  you're
• 7:20
  letting
• 7:20
  go.
• 7:21
  You're
• 7:22
  using
• 7:22
  weakness,
• 7:24
  you're
• 7:24
  not
• 7:25
  controlling
• 7:25
  results.
• 7:26
  That's
• 7:27
  what
• 7:27
  I'm
• 7:27
  thinking
• 7:27
  of
• 7:27
  the
• 7:27
  Taoist
• 7:28
  philosophy
• 7:28
  in
• 7:28
  leadership.
• 7:29
  Did
• 7:29
  you
• 7:29
  see
• 7:30
  that
• 7:30
  come
• 7:30
  into
• 7:30
  your
• 7:31
  practice?
• 7:32
  Yeah,
• 7:32
  I
• 7:32
  mean,
• 7:33
  like
• 7:33
  Lao
• 7:33
  Tzu
• 7:34
  himself
• 7:34
  said,
• 7:34
  you
• 7:35
  know,
• 7:35
  the
• 7:35
  greatest
• 7:35
  leaders
• 7:36
  think
• 7:36
  that
• 7:36
  the
• 7:36
  people
• 7:37
  leave,
• 7:37
  the
• 7:37
  people
• 7:37
  thinking
• 7:38
  they
• 7:38
  did
• 7:38
  it
• 7:38
  themselves.
• 7:39
  And
• 7:39
  that
• 7:39
  sort
• 7:40
  of
• 7:40
  mentality,
• 7:40
  it
• 7:40
  takes
• 7:41
  a
• 7:41
  great
• 7:41
  deal
• 7:41
  of
• 7:42
  strength
• 7:43
  to
• 7:43
  be
• 7:43
  able
• 7:43
  to
• 7:43
  do
• 7:43
  that
• 7:43
  in
• 7:44
  skill.
• 7:44
  So
• 7:44
  I
• 7:45
  would
• 7:45
  say
• 7:45
  it's
• 7:45
  not
• 7:47
  the
• 7:47
  risk
• 7:47
  when
• 7:48
  you,
• 7:48
  when
• 7:48
  you
• 7:48
  enter
• 7:48
  into
• 7:49
  Daoism,
• 7:49
  as
• 7:49
  you
• 7:50
  know,
• 7:50
  I
• 7:50
  think
• 7:50
  is.
• 7:50
  It
• 7:51
  can
• 7:51
  sound
• 7:51
  on
• 7:51
  the
• 7:52
  surface
• 7:52
  like,
• 7:52
  well,
• 7:52
  I
• 7:53
  just
• 7:53
  need
• 7:53
  to,
• 7:53
  like,
• 7:53
  let
• 7:53
  things
• 7:54
  go
• 7:54
  and
• 7:54
  let
• 7:54
  things
• 7:54
  be
• 7:55
  and
• 7:55
  all
• 7:55
  of
• 7:55
  that.
• 7:55
  And
• 7:56
  that's
• 7:56
  true
• 7:56
  to
• 7:56
  some
• 7:57
  degree,
• 7:57
  but
• 7:57
  also
• 7:57
  at
• 7:57
  the
• 7:58
  same
• 7:58
  time,
• 7:58
  it's
• 7:58
  like,
• 7:58
  well,
• 7:58
  how
• 7:59
  can
• 7:59
  I
• 7:59
  create
• 7:59
  the
• 8:00
  skillful
• 8:00
  methods
• 8:01
  for
• 8:02
  people
• 8:02
  to
• 8:02
  blossom
• 8:02
  on
• 8:03
  their
• 8:03
  own?
• 8:03
  Like
• 8:03
  how?
• 8:03
  Like
• 8:03
  the
• 8:04
  same
• 8:04
  way
• 8:04
  I'm
• 8:04
  tending
• 8:04
  to
• 8:04
  garden.
• 8:05
  So
• 8:05
  if
• 8:05
  I
• 8:06
  just
• 8:06
  let
• 8:06
  my
• 8:06
  garden
• 8:06
  totally
• 8:07
  go,
• 8:07
  it's
• 8:07
  going
• 8:07
  to
• 8:07
  be
• 8:08
  weeds
• 8:08
  or
• 8:08
  whatever,
• 8:08
  but
• 8:08
  if
• 8:09
  I
• 8:09
  find
• 8:09
  a
• 8:09
  way
• 8:09
  to
• 8:09
  skillfully
• 8:10
  tended,
• 8:10
  it's
• 8:10
  like
• 8:11
  the
• 8:12
  flowers
• 8:12
  grow
• 8:12
  on
• 8:13
  their
• 8:13
  own.
• 8:13
  So,
• 8:13
  yeah,
• 8:13
  it's
• 8:14
  going
• 8:14
  to
• 8:14
  make
• 8:14
  an.
• 8:14
  Effort
• 8:14
  of
• 8:15
  effortlessness,
• 8:15
  Right?
• 8:16
  Exactly.
• 8:16
  Yeah,
• 8:17
  an
• 8:17
  effort
• 8:17
  of
• 8:17
  effortlessness.
• 8:18
  So
• 8:18
  that's
• 8:18
  a
• 8:18
  major,
• 8:19
  I
• 8:19
  think,
• 8:20
  thing
• 8:20
  for
• 8:20
  people
• 8:20
  to
• 8:21
  think
• 8:21
  about.
• 8:21
  Which
• 8:21
  again
• 8:22
  goes
• 8:22
  back
• 8:22
  to
• 8:22
  the.
• 8:23
  What
• 8:23
  I
• 8:23
  think
• 8:23
  is
• 8:23
  the
• 8:23
  hard
• 8:24
  work
• 8:24
  of
• 8:24
  letting
• 8:24
  go.
• 8:25
  Right.
• 8:25
  And
• 8:26
  same
• 8:26
  thing
• 8:26
  on,
• 8:26
  like
• 8:26
  the
• 8:26
  spiritual
• 8:27
  path.
• 8:27
  You
• 8:27
  want
• 8:27
  to
• 8:28
  talk?
• 8:28
  I
• 8:28
  know
• 8:29
  Adam
• 8:29
  and
• 8:29
  I
• 8:29
  have
• 8:29
  Talked
• 8:29
  about
• 8:29
  this
• 8:30
  at
• 8:30
  a
• 8:30
  deeper
• 8:30
  level.
• 8:30
  If
• 8:30
  you
• 8:31
  talk
• 8:31
  about
• 8:31
  like,
• 8:31
  wu
• 8:31
  Wei
• 8:32
  or
• 8:32
  emptiness
• 8:33
  or
• 8:33
  nature
• 8:34
  of
• 8:34
  mind,
• 8:34
  depending
• 8:34
  on
• 8:35
  what
• 8:35
  traditionally
• 8:36
  using.
• 8:37
  At
• 8:37
  its
• 8:37
  heart,
• 8:37
  it's
• 8:38
  like
• 8:38
  a
• 8:38
  letting
• 8:38
  go
• 8:39
  of
• 8:39
  the
• 8:39
  things
• 8:39
  that
• 8:39
  we
• 8:40
  consider
• 8:40
  our
• 8:41
  essence
• 8:41
  but
• 8:42
  are
• 8:42
  actually
• 8:42
  essences.
• 8:44
  So
• 8:44
  you
• 8:44
  mean.
• 8:46
  And
• 8:46
  when
• 8:46
  you
• 8:46
  say
• 8:46
  letting
• 8:47
  go,
• 8:47
  it's
• 8:48
  letting
• 8:48
  go
• 8:49
  of
• 8:49
  an
• 8:49
  attachment,
• 8:49
  is
• 8:50
  that
• 8:50
  right?
• 8:51
  Or
• 8:51
  even
• 8:52
  the
• 8:52
  idea
• 8:52
  of
• 8:53
  it.
• 8:54
  Yeah.
• 8:55
  Letting
• 8:55
  go
• 8:55
  of
• 8:56
  an
• 8:56
  attachment,
• 8:56
  I
• 8:57
  would
• 8:57
  say,
• 8:57
  is
• 8:57
  the.
• 8:58
  Is
• 8:58
  the
• 8:58
  main
• 8:59
  component.
• 8:59
  Because
• 8:59
  when
• 9:00
  people
• 9:00
  are
• 9:00
  having
• 9:00
  trouble
• 9:01
  doing
• 9:01
  this
• 9:02
  mind
• 9:02
  shift,
• 9:03
  they're
• 9:04
  kind
• 9:04
  of
• 9:05
  invested
• 9:05
  in
• 9:06
  what
• 9:06
  they
• 9:06
  used
• 9:06
  to
• 9:06
  do.
• 9:07
  Right?
• 9:08
  Yeah,
• 9:09
  There's
• 9:09
  a.
• 9:09
  There's
• 9:10
  a
• 9:10
  story.
• 9:10
  And
• 9:11
  this.
• 9:11
  This
• 9:11
  goes,
• 9:11
  I
• 9:12
  think,
• 9:12
  to
• 9:12
  anybody
• 9:13
  in
• 9:13
  any
• 9:13
  field.
• 9:14
  There's
• 9:14
  a
• 9:14
  story
• 9:14
  that
• 9:15
  we
• 9:15
  tell
• 9:15
  ourselves
• 9:15
  that
• 9:16
  kind
• 9:16
  of
• 9:16
  reifies
• 9:16
  or
• 9:17
  makes
• 9:17
  stronger
• 9:18
  our
• 9:18
  position
• 9:18
  in
• 9:19
  the
• 9:19
  world.
• 9:19
  Right.
• 9:19
  I
• 9:20
  am
• 9:20
  a
• 9:20
  good
• 9:20
  blank,
• 9:21
  whatever
• 9:21
  that
• 9:21
  is.
• 9:21
  But
• 9:22
  it's
• 9:22
  the.
• 9:22
  I
• 9:22
  am
• 9:22
  sort
• 9:23
  of
• 9:23
  self
• 9:23
  perpetuate
• 9:23
  that.
• 9:24
  Yeah,
• 9:24
  exactly.
• 9:24
  So
• 9:25
  if
• 9:25
  you
• 9:25
  can
• 9:25
  kind
• 9:25
  of
• 9:25
  let
• 9:25
  go
• 9:26
  and
• 9:26
  allow
• 9:26
  that
• 9:26
  to
• 9:28
  dissipate,
• 9:29
  you'll
• 9:29
  find
• 9:29
  that
• 9:29
  on
• 9:29
  the
• 9:30
  other
• 9:30
  end,
• 9:30
  there's
• 9:30
  not
• 9:30
  death
• 9:31
  or
• 9:32
  nihilism
• 9:32
  or
• 9:32
  a
• 9:33
  negativa.
• 9:33
  It's
• 9:34
  only
• 9:34
  there's
• 9:34
  like
• 9:34
  a
• 9:35
  blossoming
• 9:35
  of
• 9:35
  a
• 9:35
  more
• 9:36
  full
• 9:36
  experience.
• 9:38
  And
• 9:38
  I
• 9:39
  would
• 9:39
  offer
• 9:39
  to
• 9:39
  you
• 9:39
  that
• 9:40
  in
• 9:40
  the
• 9:40
  west,
• 9:41
  that's
• 9:42
  pretty
• 9:42
  scary
• 9:43
  for
• 9:43
  folks,
• 9:43
  isn't
• 9:44
  it?
• 9:45
  Well,
• 9:46
  I
• 9:46
  think
• 9:46
  anywhere,
• 9:46
  like,
• 9:47
  the
• 9:47
  promise
• 9:48
  is.
• 9:50
  It's
• 9:50
  hard
• 9:50
  because
• 9:51
  there's
• 9:51
  no
• 9:51
  promise
• 9:52
  of
• 9:52
  something
• 9:52
  else,
• 9:53
  so.
• 9:53
  Exactly.
• 9:54
  It's
• 9:54
  like,
• 9:54
  well,
• 9:54
  if
• 9:55
  I
• 9:55
  let
• 9:55
  go.
• 9:55
  Of
• 9:55
  this
• 9:56
  thing,
• 9:56
  then
• 9:56
  what?
• 9:57
  Oh,
• 9:57
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• 9:57
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• 9:58
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• 9:59
  Right.
• 9:59
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• 9:59
  So
• 10:00
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• 10:00
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• 10:00
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• 10:01
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• 10:01
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• 10:01
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• 10:01
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• 10:01
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• 10:01
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• 10:01
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• 10:02
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• 10:02
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• 10:02
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• 10:02
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• 10:03
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• 10:03
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• 10:03
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• 10:04
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• 10:04
  But
• 10:04
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• 10:04
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• 10:05
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• 10:05
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• 10:05
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• 10:05
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• 10:05
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• 10:06
  As
• 10:06
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• 10:06
  As
• 10:07
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• 10:07
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• 10:07
  you
• 10:07
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• 10:07
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• 10:08
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• 10:08
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• 10:08
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• 10:09
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• 10:09
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• 10:09
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• 10:09
  Right.
• 10:11
  To
• 10:11
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• 10:12
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• 10:12
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• 10:12
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• 10:12
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• 10:12
  Let's
• 10:13
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• 10:13
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• 10:13
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• 10:13
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• 10:13
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• 10:14
  You
• 10:14
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• 10:14
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• 10:15
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• 10:15
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• 10:15
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• 10:16
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• 10:16
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• 10:16
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• 10:16
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• 10:17
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• 10:17
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• 10:17
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• 10:18
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• 10:18
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• 10:19
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• 10:19
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• 10:19
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• 10:20
  Right?
• 10:20
  Is
• 10:20
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• 10:21
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• 10:21
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• 10:21
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• 10:21
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• 10:21
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• 10:22
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• 10:23
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• 10:23
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• 10:23
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• 10:23
  Definitely
• 10:24
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• 10:24
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• 10:25
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• 10:25
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• 10:25
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• 10:26
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• 10:26
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• 10:27
  And
• 10:29
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• 10:29
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• 10:29
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• 10:29
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• 10:30
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• 10:30
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• 10:30
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• 10:31
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• 10:31
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• 10:31
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• 10:31
  Do
• 10:32
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• 10:32
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• 10:32
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• 10:32
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• 10:33
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• 10:34
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• 10:35
  I
• 10:35
  personally
• 10:36
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• 10:36
  meditation
• 10:37
  daily.
• 10:37
  Okay.
• 10:39
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• 10:39
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• 10:40
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• 10:40
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• 10:40
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• 10:42
  I
• 10:43
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• 10:43
  teach
• 10:43
  some
• 10:44
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• 10:45
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• 10:45
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• 10:46
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• 10:46
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• 10:46
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• 10:46
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• 10:46
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• 10:47
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• 10:47
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• 10:47
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• 10:47
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• 10:48
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• 10:49
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• 10:49
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• 10:50
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• 10:50
  Tibetan
• 10:51
  traditions
• 10:51
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• 10:53
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• 10:54
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• 10:55
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• 10:55
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• 10:56
  serious
• 10:56
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• 10:57
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• 10:57
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• 10:57
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• 10:57
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• 10:58
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• 10:58
  just
• 10:58
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• 10:58
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• 10:58
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• 10:59
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• 10:59
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• 10:59
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• 11:00
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• 11:00
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• 11:01
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• 11:01
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• 11:02
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• 11:02
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• 11:02
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• 11:03
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• 11:03
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• 11:03
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• 11:03
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• 11:04
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• 11:04
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• 11:04
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• 11:04
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• 11:04
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• 11:05
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• 11:05
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• 11:05
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• 11:05
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• 11:05
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• 11:06
  worldly
• 11:06
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• 11:06
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• 11:07
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• 11:07
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• 11:07
  Teach
• 11:07
  people
• 11:07
  elements
• 11:08
  of
• 11:08
  meditation.
• 11:08
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• 11:09
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• 11:09
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• 11:09
  it
• 11:09
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• 11:09
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• 11:09
  the
• 11:10
  lines
• 11:10
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• 11:10
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• 11:11
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• 11:11
  relief
• 11:12
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• 11:12
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• 11:12
  confidence
• 11:13
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• 11:13
  things
• 11:13
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• 11:14
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• 11:14
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• 11:14
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• 11:14
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• 11:14
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• 11:15
  to
• 11:15
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• 11:15
  call
• 11:15
  them
• 11:16
  meditations.
• 11:16
  It's
• 11:17
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• 11:17
  along
• 11:18
  affirmations
• 11:19
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• 11:19
  visualizations
• 11:20
  and
• 11:20
  sort
• 11:20
  of
• 11:20
  reflections.
• 11:21
  But
• 11:21
  with
• 11:22
  Tibetan
• 11:22
  Buddhism
• 11:23
  and
• 11:23
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• 11:23
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• 11:24
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• 11:25
  the
• 11:25
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• 11:26
  Thurman
• 11:26
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• 11:26
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• 11:27
  Tibet
• 11:28
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• 11:28
  also
• 11:30
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• 11:31
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• 11:31
  its
• 11:31
  name
• 11:31
  is
• 11:31
  Alan
• 11:32
  Wallace,
• 11:34
  who
• 11:34
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• 11:34
  a
• 11:34
  physicist.
• 11:35
  Oh
• 11:35
  man.
• 11:37
  But
• 11:37
  they
• 11:38
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• 11:38
  get
• 11:39
  into
• 11:40
  a
• 11:40
  depthful
• 11:42
  appreciation
• 11:43
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• 11:43
  attempt
• 11:43
  to
• 11:44
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• 11:45
  that
• 11:45
  this
• 11:45
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• 11:45
  a
• 11:46
  really
• 11:48
  very
• 11:49
  ancient,
• 11:51
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• 11:52
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• 11:52
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• 11:54
  in
• 11:54
  a
• 11:54
  way
• 11:55
  exploration
• 11:56
  of
• 11:56
  awareness.
• 11:57
  Would
• 11:57
  you
• 11:57
  say
• 11:57
  that's
• 11:58
  right?
• 12:00
  Yeah,
• 12:00
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• 12:00
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• 12:01
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• 12:01
  say,
• 12:01
  I
• 12:01
  mean
• 12:01
  if,
• 12:02
  if
• 12:02
  people
• 12:02
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• 12:03
  scholarly
• 12:03
  inclined
• 12:05
  B.
• 12:05
  Alan
• 12:05
  Wallace
• 12:06
  is
• 12:06
  probably
• 12:06
  the
• 12:06
  preeminent
• 12:07
  scholar
• 12:08
  practitioner.
• 12:08
  He's
• 12:09
  fantastic.
• 12:10
  I
• 12:10
  can't
• 12:10
  say
• 12:11
  enough
• 12:11
  about
• 12:11
  it
• 12:11
  actually
• 12:12
  I've
• 12:12
  met
• 12:12
  him
• 12:12
  a
• 12:12
  couple
• 12:12
  times.
• 12:12
  Oh
• 12:13
  you
• 12:13
  have?
• 12:14
  Yeah,
• 12:14
  he's
• 12:14
  fantastic.
• 12:15
  Wow.
• 12:16
  Really
• 12:16
  a
• 12:16
  person
• 12:17
  of
• 12:17
  like
• 12:17
  real
• 12:17
  accomplishment.
• 12:18
  Just
• 12:19
  a
• 12:19
  heavy
• 12:19
  endorsement
• 12:20
  for
• 12:20
  him.
• 12:21
  What
• 12:22
  he's
• 12:22
  talking
• 12:22
  about
• 12:23
  in
• 12:23
  a
• 12:23
  lot
• 12:23
  of
• 12:23
  his
• 12:23
  books
• 12:24
  is
• 12:24
  shamata,
• 12:24
  which
• 12:25
  is.
• 12:25
  Or
• 12:25
  in
• 12:26
  Tibetan
• 12:26
  it's
• 12:26
  called
• 12:26
  shine,
• 12:27
  which
• 12:27
  means
• 12:27
  like
• 12:27
  calm
• 12:28
  abiding.
• 12:28
  So
• 12:29
  that
• 12:29
  what
• 12:29
  that
• 12:29
  is
• 12:30
  is
• 12:30
  what
• 12:30
  most
• 12:30
  people
• 12:30
  think
• 12:31
  of
• 12:31
  as
• 12:31
  meditation,
• 12:31
  which
• 12:32
  is
• 12:32
  there's
• 12:32
  an
• 12:33
  object
• 12:33
  of
• 12:33
  awareness
• 12:34
  that
• 12:34
  could
• 12:34
  be
• 12:34
  breath,
• 12:34
  that
• 12:35
  could
• 12:35
  be
• 12:35
  visualization,
• 12:35
  it
• 12:36
  could
• 12:36
  be
• 12:36
  energy,
• 12:36
  whatever
• 12:37
  it
• 12:37
  is.
• 12:38
  And
• 12:38
  then
• 12:38
  there's
• 12:38
  your
• 12:38
  awareness
• 12:39
  and
• 12:39
  then
• 12:39
  it's
• 12:39
  just
• 12:40
  training
• 12:40
  your
• 12:40
  awareness
• 12:40
  to
• 12:41
  be
• 12:41
  stabilized
• 12:42
  with
• 12:42
  that
• 12:43
  object
• 12:43
  of
• 12:43
  awareness.
• 12:44
  And
• 12:44
  once
• 12:44
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• 12:44
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• 12:44
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• 12:45
  all
• 12:45
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• 12:45
  of
• 12:45
  so
• 12:46
  called
• 12:46
  mystical
• 12:46
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• 12:47
  can
• 12:47
  kind
• 12:47
  of
• 12:47
  unlock.
• 12:50
  Well,
• 12:51
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• 12:51
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• 12:52
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• 12:52
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• 12:52
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• 12:52
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• 12:52
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• 12:53
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• 12:53
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• 12:54
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• 12:54
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• 12:54
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• 12:54
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• 12:54
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• 12:55
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• 12:56
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• 12:57
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• 12:57
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• 12:58
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• 12:58
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• 12:58
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• 12:59
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