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The Leap of Faith · Sunday Scaries: Work Edition

• 0:03
  Welcome to The Sunday Scaries: Work Edition, a podcast for hot takes and real talk on all your workplace quandaries. Hosted by two burned-out girl bosses who've seen it all.
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  I'm Bijal Mehta. I started my career building warehouses and super fast delivery for the Internet's magical two day shipping. I've worked in Africa, Asia, Europe and North America with both big tech and startups. Over 15 years, I became a vice president leading drone delivery operations. I've managed more than 500 people across the world. And these days I raise my playful daughter and chat with my good friend, Emily.
• 0:37
  And I'm Emily Tao. I got my start making coffee as a production assistant at CBS News. Eventually, I became the first director of communications at the largest entertainment union in the U.S. and Canada. My 15-year career and counting has taken me from red carpets to political fights to Ivy League admissions offices.
• 0:57
  We're here for your weekly dose of workplace reality. Let's jump in.
• 1:04
  Hey, Emily. Hello, Bijal. How are you doing? Oh, I'm great. I always say I'm great, even when it's not. I, on the way over here, I got a call that I didn't pick up, but they left a voicemail. And it was a reference request, like someone calling because an old former co-worker of mine applied for a job, put me down as a reference. And like, I felt so important. I haven't talked to this person yet, but I was like, ooh, I'm going to refer them.
• 1:36
  Wait, did you know that they had put you down as a reference? I did not know specifically, but he and I had talked previously because we have a great working relationship. We haven't worked at the same job in like seven, eight years now, but we still keep in touch. And we were like, you can always put me down as a reference for any future job. You don't have to ask permission. OK. I'll go to bat for you. So we have that mutual agreement. Yeah.
• 2:00
  Very cool. And he was a great person. I like him so much and is now a friend. You never rave about your co-workers. That is true. I've never heard of this human. There's a co-worker you loved? Yes. Oh, now I feel bad, what if your old co-workers are listening to... Well, they will have not put me down as references unless we discussed it. I don't think they should unless they discussed it. I've never... Yes. Agreed. Yeah, right? Like-
• 2:26
  Yes. There's some protocol to that. You should always give someone a heads up. Yeah. I've gotten like one-off saying like, "Hey, you might get a call about this specific job." But I think he and I are the only ones who have like an ongoing agreement just because we had such a great time working together for so many years. But, yeah, I do feel quite important. So, yeah. Important. Yeah. Even though, again, it's not about me.
• 2:46
  Yeah, why does it make you feel important? I don't know why. I don't know why. I am not the only reference, right? Usually it's one of three or one of multiple, the way that I've gone through it. I know that. And yet I still feel like chosen. I'm the chosen one.
• 3:03
  Well, I kind of want to burst your bubble there. Uh-huh. So, in my experience, the reference calls are just so, they're just a formality. Yes. You're basically like calling them just to be like, "Hey, just in case, is this person like a con artist?" Yes. That's really- That is true. "We loved him. We're already getting to the offer stage. Like, we're sure of our decision. We're not asking you to reassure. We're just wanting to make sure that they are literally not a professional con artist." Yes.
• 3:39
  Have you ever had a bad reference call? I'm curious. I'm trying to think and I haven't. I've seen bad reference letters. But, yeah, by the time we get to like actually talking to someone- Wait, you've seen bad reference letters? Oh, yeah. Ooh. Dish.
• 3:54
  Okay. So, the bad reference letter is never like, "Oh, Emily is a horrible employee." It's never direct. It's always indirect. And I'm guessing this is in context of like admissions when you worked in admissions. And sometimes, more in admissions, but I've seen a few, rarely, in a professional work environment. And it is like, it's a very indirect way. But, when you see a very short letter that's like, "I can confirm that Emily worked here in this time." Right?
• 4:23
  "I can confirm that Emily was a student here." These are facts. Yeah. "They showed up to class." This is the other one that I see in admissions, because you can get recommendation letters or reference letters for your professional background as well as your academic background, since I did admissions for graduate school.
• 4:39
  And so, the reference would be like, this person did take my class. And this was their grade. And they showed up. And they were a good student. And I was like, okay. So, you made zero impression or relationship. Basically, this person exists. Yes. And I'm like, you know, it's not bad because I know when I- This is their name. Exactly. They have two feet. Exactly. And I'm like, oh. It's not the worst, it's not a damning one, but it's not- It's pretty bad. It's not good. It's basically like, I have nothing more to say about that. Which happens! Especially in big university classes. Right?
• 5:16
  And maybe you didn't anticipate applying to graduate school and needing an academic reference, which I certainly, I didn't need one. I didn't anticipate it and I didn't apply for graduate school until well after ten years graduating from my undergrad. Right? Yeah.
• 5:31
  But I think also if you have a pretty good GPA, you might not need that academic reference. And it depends on the program, too. Have you ever, you have applied to grad school. Have you, so, how do I ask this question? How did it feel for you when you had to ask for reference letters? Especially as a young person, was that...? Because I remember this for me.
• 5:55
  As a young person, like, I was raised, when you're raised by like Chinese immigrant parents, you're like, stay humble. Keep your head down. Never speak to an adult. Yes. Don't even make eye contact. You dumb child. Like, who are you to talk to this honorable, esteemed professor? So, yeah, pretty bad. Yeah. Oh, my God.
• 6:16
  I remember being so jealous of this woman that I went to, that I worked with at my first job. My first, like, full-time job. And she was younger than me. So, I was already a year into the job. And she was kind of the next batch of undergrad hires. And I remember this, I will never forget this moment.
• 6:38
  I don't know how many, how much into work we are, maybe two to three years into my job at this point. Right? So, I'm like 25, 26. We walk into the elevator. I walk into the elevator, and the vice president of one of the teams, and he had a huge reputation at that, because he came in from external and was, like, really shaking things up, but in a good way.
• 7:03
  So, anyway, so he's in the elevator. And then my friend, who I will not name. I don't remember, she was either already in it, or I walk in, and it's just quiet. Like, I look at him, and I just, like, look down. And then she comes in, and she's just like, "Hey, Tom," like, "Oh, are you going hiking this weekend again?"
• 7:27
  The audacity. Oh, my God. I was amazed. Like, she knew about his hobbies, and, like, him and his kid. He would take his kid hiking on the weekends. Whoa. Like, they were friends? And the story- So he was also, like, a pack-a-day smoker. But, like, he justified it to himself because he stayed so active. What a combo. I don't know any of these things because of myself. I know it because my friend learned all these things about him and then told me.
• 7:55
  And she was so comfortable. First of all, the elevator conversation. The elevator, it's such an awkward setting, the elevator. And then I just always look down, always look down. And then she just was so comfortable doing that. It was mesmerizing. I still, I'm, like, I'm mesmerized telling you this story. What a skill.
• 8:18
  What a skill. Isn't that, I think, the elevator pitch? Like, that's a very business school thing. Yes. Oh, that's actually a good segue into our question today. Okay! All right, shoot me with the question. Yeah, shall we get into it? Yes, please. All right. Here we go.
• 8:30
  "Dear Sunday Scaries, how do you start a company? But more like, when do you know to take the lead? And how do you get over the fears, self-doubt, et cetera?" Oh, my God. "Signed, How Do You Know?"
• 8:45
  What a question. What a question. Whoa. I don't know if I can give a good answer on this in that I feel like I'm much more on the risk-averse conservative side. That has a lot of benefits in the workplace but would not benefit what I imagine would be, like, someone who is asking this question. Ooh, I'm going to challenge that, actually. Really?
• 9:11
  I think that's exactly the personality of the person asking this question. I guess I've never really worked closely, like, in startups, right? And that's what I think of when I started this, either entrepreneurship or startup environment. I know you have startup experience. And so I think my vision of someone who would start a company is kind of distorted, like a real visionary, big-idea startup person. All those, like, mini-series made on those startup CEOs. Exactly, absolutely influenced by media. I believe everything I read online when it comes to this. Right, right, right. Yeah. And so it feels far away. Yeah!
• 9:47
  Okay, I get that. I think my gut reaction when I got this question... First of all, it was immediately, what an amazing question. And then, like, a little bit of that imposter syndrome. Do I have anything to say? Because I have never started a company. Is this a good question for the two of us to talk about? And then I was like, but actually, they're really asking about how do I know when to take my leap of faith? And that, I think, is an incredibly relatable situation that we've all been in, where we've all taken that leap of faith. Or how do I, you know, get over the fear, as they said, or get over all of the things that are weighing me down?
• 10:31
  You know, how do I move through fear? Also, I think an extremely relatable element of this question that we've all been through, personal, professional. Just, that's life, right? And then I was like, so, like, to me, I'm like, okay, I don't know if the person submitting this question will love us taking this twist, but I'm like, let's twist it, right? Because the twists are so, so relatable.
• 10:55
  And including, like- Wait a minute. We haven't started our own company, but we've started this podcast. Ooh, yeah. Right? You know, we've started, each of us in our own world, like, big initiatives, creative initiatives. Right. Like, what is really the difference between someone who starts a startup company versus someone who starts, like, a small business at the farmer's market versus somebody who starts, like, a creative enterprise, like, just, like, making something and putting it out in the world, even if it's not for money?
• 11:28
  Like, is there- There's obviously massive differences in the logistics of how you execute each of these things, but at its core, like, are these like the same experiences in terms of this question, which is just, like, how do you know when's the right time, and how do you, like, actually just, like, push yourself to do it?
• 11:46
  What a lovely perspective on this, that I think makes it a much more relatable experience for a lot of people. Thank you, thank you. The other take you could have had is, like, wow, how to just make every question about you. I mean, look, here was my fear in starting this podcast. I'm like, "I have no investment, you should quit your job," and that would be my answer for every question. So, you know, I think we're doing great.
• 12:08
  Yeah, I am really interested in your take, because I know you've taken up a lot of creative interests lately in a way that you haven't before in your adult life. I also think I would answer this question differently if it was a woman versus a man asking, especially when it comes to imposter syndrome. This isn't necessarily about that, but I feel like a big part of it is the confidence in putting yourself out there in the world, and it doesn't necessarily have to be a creative way, but it's in the way where you feel like this is where I belong in doing it, this is what's right for me right now, this lines up with what I want to be and what I want to be doing right now, future, present, and then the amalgamation of all your past experiences as well.
• 12:55
  I do think if I answered this 10 years ago, you know, where I was newer to the workplace, I would be mostly focused on the imposter syndrome, and I don't think I had a good answer to that at the time. It was just kind of fake it till you make it for me, but I still felt a lot of those insecurities. I did not feel confident in what I was doing, even though as many- I won awards, accolades, there were all these metrics of success that were there, but that feeling was still there, which, you know, goes back to the name.
• 13:26
  So yeah, it's I think a big question with maybe a simple answer for me, which is like you just feel it in your bones that this is right, but to be able to identify and recognize that feeling, I think, takes a lot of knowledge of self that I only could learn with a lot of life experience and active self-reflection.
• 13:51
  Ooh, that really hits. I think that kind of encapsulates a lot of my own life experience, and I guess maybe to turn this into sort of a real example, what are the leaps of faith that I feel like I've taken in my life or like the big decisions where people are like, how did you know or why did you do that? And it like looks crazy to them. I would say one big one was leaving Amazon.
• 14:16
  Yeah? Uh-huh. That's like a very amazing, impressive job. Every metric of success is there. I was doing so well. Like, yeah, every metric of success was there. I was making excellent money. It really played to my strength as a person. You know, it's, for example, a culture that really values the written word. I'm an amazing- Wow, I can't believe I just said those words! I'm an amazing writer. Which is, again, funny because now you are doing this podcast, but yeah. Yeah.
• 14:48
  No, I have a lot of technical training in writing, actually, and in like argumentative writing, persuasive writing, which is a lot of, and so I actually, a lot of the reason I was able to advance or get into experiences at the company that, for someone at my level maybe wasn't eligible for, was because I was the best writer in the team or the department. Oh, wow. So it played to a lot of my strengths in a lot, a lot of ways.
• 15:17
  You know, it's not a place that like necessarily cares a lot about the social niceties around who hangs out on the weekends. So you didn't have to worry about playing that game. Yeah, the truth is like, you know, we were talking about the elevator conversation and like, you know, good or bad, like I didn't have to get great at that there. Like they don't care, you know, they're known for hiring a lot of like masters in engineering. Right. So you can imagine that's the personality of the operations culture there. Right.
• 15:46
  And so, like I love operations, actually. I love warehouses. I love, I love going on ride-alongs with drivers. Like I just, that was the, my favorite part of the work was just kind of like getting to see how the things happen and being with the people.
• 16:02
  Anyway, all that being said, like leaving was absolutely the right decision for me at the time. And so that was a big leap of faith. I think leaving my last job, which was a startup that I was also very, doing really well at and had like a very high position at and deciding to, instead of going into another line of work, actually just become a stay-at-home mom for a while is, was a big leap of faith in a way.
• 16:30
  And then like recently just spending a lot of time in the creative space, like we're doing this podcast together. I've started a writing project and actually writing and publishing my essays to like a small-ish, like actually like about a hundred, 150 people. Oh wow. Yeah. And now I'm going to soon be moving to Substack, right, and like go for like a wider audience. That feels huge. Right. That's probably, I think the closest maybe to what I can imagine feels like the vulnerability and fear of doing a startup.
• 17:00
  Because I think, to me when I interpret this question, the core of it was almost like, I'm going to put myself out there in a big way. Like this kind of failure is public. Yeah. You can always spin a story around like why you did job transitions and stuff like that. And that, and like, people don't ask too many questions about that. But when you do a startup, like, and I do think businesses at their core are creative endeavors as well. It's not maybe my modality for creativity, but like it is, it is like writing, you know, writing an essay or a book or putting a piece of work out there with the intention also very explicitly that you want people to consume this.
• 17:46
  It's like saying, I created this, this is my baby and I want you to be interested in my baby. And like, I want you to like buy a piece of that action. I mean, that's, it's, it's big. Yeah. And it's, so much of it is networking, so much of it is like lining up investors, particularly in the startup world, you know. And the question asker does not specify what kind of company, but no matter what kind of company, you're going to need some kind of like investor backing or, you know, board of directors, like you- advocates. It's, oh my gosh, it goes back to our question around reference letters. You got to ask someone, it's like a bigger version of asking someone- A way bigger version. To write you a reference letter, right? Because you're asking for champions. Yeah. You're asking for people's support.
• 18:32
  I mean, these are really big things. You're basically like, I'm taking up space And I want, and I'm asking for things from my community and my people and my, you know, professional partners and I'm asking for them to see me in a certain way as like, I mean, especially if this person's asking the question, they're not necessarily doing things like this, right? And it's like, I want you to see me as not just a good worker, but a leader, not just a good leader, but an innovator, like a thought leader. I mean, that's, those are big things I think.
• 19:07
  Yeah, and it's a big thing to step into. Even if you can do it, if you don't necessarily see yourself like that, that is a big thing to own. Yeah. I'm thinking back to, I'm like, what are my leaps of faith? And I'm like, well, I think when I quit my last job, I was doing well, but it was due to a lot of personal reasons. A family member getting sick. And in many ways that was the right choice for me and for my family at that time.
• 19:37
  And I think about leaving the job before that, where if- I used to joke, I'm going to die at this desk and I think if I wanted to, I could, it was that kind of job. And it was a really hard decision. I think that decision I didn't make because of confidence in myself. It was more like, it felt like driven to desperation is the story I tell. Now it certainly wasn't as dramatic as that. It was just, I was there for seven to eight years and it was just time for me to move on and find a different challenge because I wasn't growing as much professionally as I could.
• 20:11
  But that's not the same as, I think, feeling that this job isn't right for me, right? Yeah. And I think that's really different in terms of how we were in our twenties and the work culture as well. When I think like girlboss was such a thing. I think feminism in the workplace was such a talked-about thing. I worked at an entertainment labor union when the #MeToo movement was happening. Right? And so there was a lot of focus on diversity, on women in male-dominated workplace, on female leaders in male-dominated workplaces. Right? And I felt like for me, it was like also shouldering a lot of that without really understanding my place in all of that.
• 20:53
  I don't even know if that's something that I've picked apart now or if I really need to, but these are all things that I think made it difficult for me to have a clear vision about why I took a leap of faith or even if it was a leap of faith and it was just like, this was a job decision for me. I don't think it was as big.
• 21:11
  Wait, so are you saying that you're not sure if you've taken a leap of faith in that way? I'm sure I have, but maybe not as much in a professional context. Okay. Yeah. And actually I would say in all other areas of my life, I have taken leaps of faith or made big decisions. And what I've known is like, I feel it in my bones that this is right. This is the right person for me. This is the right apartment for me. This is the right place for me to live. Right? All of these are more personal things, but when it comes to professional and workplace things, I actually don't feel that. Interesting. Which actually is like shakes me and makes me feel very not confident when usually I make decisions with such confidence. Uh-huh. Yeah.
• 21:54
  Oh, that's really interesting. I think there's something relatable in that for me as well. And I guess this is where I'm going to like, take a little bit of a personal turn here, but I also can relate to that. Like, you just feel it in your bones and you make the decision you go. And like, particularly in my personal life, that was easier, but even in my professional life, a lot of my decisions sort of like, I was just like, well, this is, it just, you get to this point of sort of inevitability and, and you're like, it's time to leave. It's time to change. Like, it's just right. It feels almost ordained. Like I can be a very instinctual person. I can also be a very, um, what's the, what's the word? The opposite of cautious. What is that word? Um, impulsive, impulsive. Yes. It's like gambler. Gambler. Is that right? Yeah, gambler.
• 22:55
  No, you can have like cautious gambling. Is that a thing? Anyway. Don't ask me. I lose $10 and I'm like, I need the full day to recover emotionally. I can't do this. I did not realize you can be such a low, you have such a lower risk threshold. Oh yeah, no. Wow. Not at all. Wow.
• 23:10
  I'm actually pretty comfortable with risk. I take a lot of financial risk. I've got some like kind of crazy investment stuff going on. But I'm not that attached to that. I don't attach a lot to like the money side of things. Like people have different relationships with money and that's just like something that feels like it's going to come and go. Like, that's okay.
• 23:31
  I want to think that. But yeah, then I lose $5 and I'm like, this is the end of me. I'm not claiming any like, um, achievement in this. I, it just, it's, I'm just not, I'm wired this way. Like it's always kind of been a little bit like that for me. So I can't, I can't claim that that's something I, I've achieved an enlightened state. I don't know. It's not something that plagues you in the middle of the night. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Ask me on whether I want to like eat that last piece of toast. It's just like, that's, I'm overthink that like crazy, you know, like I've got like food on the other hand, it can be like really weird. That's easy for me. The answer is yes, eat it.
• 24:08
  But so, what was I talking about? Oh, oh yeah. So this like conviction, I used to have so much conviction, hat's the word I think I was trying to come to, around these really big decisions. And then the biggest area of conviction: my marriage and the person that I thought was my forever person. And still like, I was like, if you ask me now, I was, I would say like, "Oh, I thought this, I thought this was the love of my life." And you know, a part of me still thinks that, right? Right.
• 24:38
  And then, you know, as of officially at the beginning of this year, that marriage is over. And it has gotten, it has sort of forced me to like act when I don't have conviction. Because with that breaking of that like life dream, and for me, I was raised family's everything. Work, all these questions, they're interesting, they're fun. Take it or leave it. It's not, I don't really define too much of my own ego and identity in work. My ego is really wrapped up, you know, in my family status and my family relations. Right.
• 25:22
  And so to no longer have a spouse, no longer be married, to have a small child, to be a single parent, to co-parent, to use that language even, it's like weird. It gets at me. I'm in my head a lot about what do people think about me? I mean, just before we started recording, we were talking about holiday cards and I was like, do I want to send them this year? I'm going to out myself to some people in my life who don't know. Right.
• 25:52
  But it's with the release of this big, big dream that took up so much of my vision of how I was going to do things. And that's where a lot of conviction maybe comes from is like a sense of vision or a sense of just like, yeah, that's right. Like, you know, something in the subconscious is like all this jams together. My subconscious does not jam with the identity of like single parenthood and divorcee and all that. Like it does not. That is not, there is no- you could trace my DNA back. There's very little divorce and separation in my, we are people from the village. Right. Like it doesn't happen. Right.
• 26:30
  Anyway. And so like it is not jiving at that subconscious level. And so I don't have a lot of conviction and, and I have to answer big questions. Like, am I going to still live in New York? Like, what, am I going to continue to be a stay-at-home mom? All these decisions I made in one situation I have to remake. How do I spend my time? You know, she was getting ready to be like, she's socializing. She's starting to like want to like interact with kids. I was like, should I put her in daycare or school? But then, am I ready to return to a full-time job or full-time school or anything? And, you know, I randomly signed- It's been actually fascinating, to be on this end. It's been almost 12 months, 10, 10 months. And to be able to say, okay, I'm starting to see the payoff of making decisions when you don't have conviction.
• 27:27
  Because you find these like little surprises. Like I just signed up for choir, like a community choir. I do not sing y'all. I was going to ask. I have no business singing. You have a great speaking voice. Thank you. I do not even sing in the shower, let me be clear. Wow. This was a weird thing, but it was just like, I was like, I'm kind of interested in it. I've always been fascinated by people who can sing. I never sing at karaoke, I don't sing in the car by myself, I don't sing. Not even karaoke? Yes! Not even when I'm by myself, Emily, I don't sing. Oh my god.
• 27:58
  The one exception is I started singing to my baby newborn child and like love doing that. But that was easy because she's a baby and doesn't know any better. She's only heard one song. Though she has started to speak and she will say, "No mama, no sing." Oh, well, I've heard toddlers say that. I don't think it's reflective of your ability. Yeah. So I started to realize I need to have a different audience.
• 28:23
  Anyway, so I just, I was like, I don't know if this is going to work out. I don't know if I'm good at this. I don't even know if I'm going to enjoy this. But I'm curious. And that is maybe enough. Right? And so I think there's been this shift inside of me. I'm recognizing that I still believe conviction is an amazing way to make decisions. It's so great when you have that.
• 28:47
  But sometimes we don't have that because that's just not how we were like wired. Maybe that's not where our DNA is like rooted in. You know? Like, we're humans, part of our evolutionary magic is that we have this ability to deal with like entire ecosystems that are fundamentally different than even what our parents grew up in.
• 29:07
  And so that means we're not going to necessarily have this sense of like knowing all the time. And so like, I don't know what this would mean in terms of coming back to this question, but I'm recognizing different ways to take that leap of faith that isn't just rooted in the sense of conviction or confidence or a sense of like, I think the stars are aligned right now. Right.
• 29:33
  Sometimes you're like, I don't know where the damn stars are. I would say the stars are very unaligned right now for a lot of business decisions. Yeah.
• 29:41
  Well, I guess I want to ask you, what is your key takeaway? What would be your answer for this question? Yeah, let's see.
• 29:51
  I think my answer would be Person How Do You Know, Mr. or Mrs. How Do You Know, is if you're asking the question, maybe it's right now. Because you're not asking about logistically when is the right time. You weren't asking about, you know, practically in terms of like best timeline for success of your business or anything like that. You were just asking what, how do you actually just do it? And I think, and how do you like, I would say- and I think you said "push past the fear." I would only say, I guess my one sentence is I think it might be now. And you just move alongside the fear as well as the unknowing.
• 30:47
  Like, take it one step at a time, one day at a time. If you're interested, follow the interest. That's your, that has to be your KPI for success. You know? You got to just change this, the equation a little bit. And instead of, it's like how do I know in this big way? It's how do I know in a very, very small way of like, well, today spend an hour on it. Tomorrow, spend an hour on it. Yeah.
• 31:14
  I love that! I resonate with that especially as we, you know, are doing this podcast venture. And a little part of me wishes I could be five years from now a person answering this, right? I feel like there's almost a confidence or credibility that I could have if I'm on the other side of something and I'm like, I am the president of this company and I went through what you did and here's what I did. This is exactly how you do it. Yeah. Yeah, but now I think we're kind of in the in-between or we're at the beginning. And I feel like it just resonates a lot with me and I agree with you, right? Like it's not about checking off the list of having all the right conditions. It's as you do it, you will continue to feel that this is right.
• 31:57
  And that might be the excitement that you initially had when you had this idea, right? The inspiration. The even thinking about and wanting to do this work. Because the thing about work is, it's still work. And it's much more fun to be not working sometimes or relaxing. But if you feel that drive, I feel like that's a really great indicator. And yeah, taking in a little bit at a time instead of one big thing. Yeah. It's great! Lovely.
• 32:24
  Any personal takeaways, Emily? My personal takeaways is perhaps I should reflect more on why I left my previous jobs. Can we unpack that? But I have no inspiration to do that, so you know, might table that for a bit. Respect, respect. Yeah.
• 32:44
  Okay, well, thank you, Person How Do I Know. I think "how do I know?" is just like the quintessential question. Honestly, amazing, amazing question. Yeah. I loved it. I hope they follow up and let us know in six months, a year, two years. I hope something in this conversation, you know, resonates, jingles a little, or was at least funny. Yeah, good luck!
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