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The Disconnect in Education: Bridging the Gap Between Teachers and Students · The Wheelhouse

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  What
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  is
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  a
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  counter
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  dismissal
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  narrative
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  and
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  how
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  is
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  this
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  specific
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  one
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  an
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  example
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  of
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  the
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  heart,
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  passion,
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  the
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  spirit
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  and
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  the
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  soul?
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  Find
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  out.
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  A
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  new
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  episode
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  of
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  the
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  Wheelhouse
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  begins
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  right
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  now.
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  Thank
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  you
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  so
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  much
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  for
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  taking
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  time
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  out
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  of
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  your
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  busy
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  day
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  to
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  give
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  us
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  a
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  listen.
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  Season
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  nine
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  features
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  a
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  panel
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  of
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  four
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  like
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  minded
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  friends
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  and
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  colleagues.
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  Cathy
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  Mone,
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  Michael
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  Pipa,
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  Dr.
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  Alicia
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  Munro,
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  and
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  yours
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  truly.
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  You
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  know,
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  we've
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  opened
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  this
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  conversation
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  this
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  season
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  to
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  think
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  about
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  empowering
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  educators
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  to
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  cultivate
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  Hope.
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  In
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  this
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  sixth
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  episode,
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  we
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  welcome
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  Reuben
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  Britt
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  Jr.
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  Author,
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  Lecturer,
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  Master
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  career
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  facilitator
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  and
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  educator.
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  Britt
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  has
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  written
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  a
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  number
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  of
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  articles
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  and
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  has
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  been
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  a
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  contributor
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  for
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  such
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  publications
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  as
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  Obstacle
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  Magazine,
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  Black
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  Enterprise,
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  the
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  Philadelphia
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  Inquirer,
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  the
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  Atlantic
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  City
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  Press,
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  and
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  the
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  Black
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  Collegian
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  magazine.
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  A
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  former
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  teacher
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  in
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  the
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  Boston
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  public
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  school
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  system
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  and
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  a
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  nationally
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  recognized
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  expert
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  on
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  issues
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  related
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  to
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  career
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  coaching
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  and
• 1:23
  education,
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  Ruben
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  has
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  worked
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  as
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  a
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  consultant
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  for
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  the
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  U.S.
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  department
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  of
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  Education,
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  the
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  Educational
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  Testing
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  Service,
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  the
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  New
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  Jersey
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  Department
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  of
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  Higher
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  Education,
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  and
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  several
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  colleges
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  and
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  community
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  organizations.
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  In
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  this
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  two
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  episode
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  conversation,
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  we'll
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  focus
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  on
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  his
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  recently
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  published
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  book,
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  Don't
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  Dismiss
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  My
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  the
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  Tapestry
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  of
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  Colonized
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  Voices
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  in
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  White
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  Space.
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  Written
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  with
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  our
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  very
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  own
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  Dr.
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  Alicia
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  Munro.
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  You
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  know,
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  at
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  the
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  end
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  of
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  the
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  day,
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  what
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  we
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  do
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  for
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  students
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  is
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  even
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  bigger
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  than
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  cultivating
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  hope
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  or
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  killing
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  dreams.
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  For
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  some,
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  it's
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  a
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  matter
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  of
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  life
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  and
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  death.
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  You
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  know,
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  this
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  was
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  such
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  a
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  great
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  conversation.
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  So
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  great
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  I
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  had
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  to
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  put
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  it
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  and
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  make
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  it
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  into
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  two
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  episodes.
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  There
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  were
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  so
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  many
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  intriguing
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  ideas
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  that
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  we
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  brought
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  to
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  the
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  space.
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  I
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  hope
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  you'll
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  listen
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  to
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  the
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  entire
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  episode
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  to
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  hear
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  the
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  details.
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  But
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  among
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  those
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  that
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  I
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  think
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  you'll
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  find
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  really
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  intriguing.
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  We
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  often
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  see
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  teachers
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  and
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  counselors
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  disconnected
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  from
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  students.
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  There's
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  the
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  elephant
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  in
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  the
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  room.
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  Teacher
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  training.
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  How
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  do
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  we
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  understand
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  people
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  from
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  various
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  cultures?
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  You
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  know,
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  marginalized
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  voices
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  often
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  get
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  purposely
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  dismissed,
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  pushed
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  to
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  the
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  periphery.
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  How
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  many
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  courses
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  does
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  it
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  take
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  just
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  to
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  be
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  human?
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  And
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  there's
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  a
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  huge
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  difference
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  between
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  power
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  over
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  and
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  power
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  with.
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  Together,
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  let's
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  cultivate
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  hope
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  for
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  each
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  and
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  every
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  student.
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  And
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  now
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  episode
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  six
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  with
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  our
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  special
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  guest
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  Reuben
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  Britt
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  Jr.
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  You're
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  not
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  gonna
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  wanna
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  miss
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  this.
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  Take
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  a
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  listen.
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  Good
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  morning,
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  I'm
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  Grant
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  Chandler
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  and
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  welcome
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  back
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  to
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  episode
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  six
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  of
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  the
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  Wheelhouse.
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  I'm
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  super
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  excited
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  to
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  have
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  this
• 3:18
  conversation
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  today.
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  And
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  you
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  know,
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  on
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  the
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  we
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  record
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  in
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  the
• 3:22
  Wheelhouse,
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  it's
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  always
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  amazing
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  to
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  bring
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  together
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  all
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  my
• 3:27
  favorite
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  humans
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  in
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  one
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  space.
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  So
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  I
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  just
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  going
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  to
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  say
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  good
• 3:31
  morning
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  to
• 3:33
  Kathy
• 3:34
  Mone,
• 3:34
  Michael
• 3:35
  Pipa
• 3:35
  and
• 3:35
  Dr.
• 3:36
  Alicia
• 3:36
  Monroe.
• 3:37
  Welcome
• 3:38
  back.
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  Good
• 3:40
  morning.
• 3:41
  Good
• 3:41
  morning.
• 3:42
  Oh
• 3:42
  my
• 3:42
  goodness.
• 3:42
  We
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  were
• 3:43
  off
• 3:43
  a
• 3:43
  little
• 3:43
  bit
• 3:43
  there.
• 3:44
  Hello.
• 3:44
  I
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  know
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  I
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  needed
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  to
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  get
• 3:47
  my.
• 3:47
  Baton
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  and
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  we'll
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  do
• 3:48
  it.
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  Good
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  to
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  see
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  all
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  of
• 3:53
  you.
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  It
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  is
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  great
• 3:54
  to
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  see
• 3:55
  all
• 3:55
  of
• 3:55
  you.
• 3:55
  Happy
• 3:56
  recording
• 3:56
  day.
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  We
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  always
• 3:59
  love
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  the
• 3:59
  wheelhouse
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  in
• 4:00
  the
• 4:00
  recording
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  studio.
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  Yay.
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  Yay.
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  So
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  today
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  is
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  just
• 4:07
  a
• 4:08
  really
• 4:08
  cool
• 4:08
  day
• 4:09
  because
• 4:10
  we're
• 4:11
  gonna.
• 4:11
  Alicia
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  is
• 4:12
  gonna
• 4:12
  kind
• 4:12
  of
• 4:12
  play
• 4:12
  two
• 4:12
  roles
• 4:13
  today.
• 4:13
  Cause
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  she's
• 4:14
  a
• 4:14
  regular
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  panelist,
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  but
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  she's
• 4:16
  also.
• 4:17
  We're
• 4:17
  gonna
• 4:17
  feature
• 4:19
  her
• 4:19
  work
• 4:19
  and
• 4:20
  the
• 4:20
  work
• 4:20
  of
• 4:20
  our
• 4:21
  special
• 4:21
  guest
• 4:22
  today.
• 4:22
  So
• 4:23
  I
• 4:23
  am
• 4:24
  super
• 4:24
  glad
• 4:25
  to
• 4:26
  welcome
• 4:27
  Reuben
• 4:27
  Britt
• 4:28
  to
• 4:29
  the
• 4:29
  Wheelhouse.
• 4:30
  He
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  is
• 4:31
  the
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  co
• 4:31
  author
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  with
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  Dr.
• 4:33
  Monroe
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  on
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  this
• 4:34
  amazing,
• 4:36
  amazing
• 4:37
  book
• 4:37
  that
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  is
• 4:37
  available
• 4:38
  from
• 4:38
  Cognela
• 4:39
  and
• 4:39
  it's
• 4:39
  also
• 4:40
  available
• 4:41
  on
• 4:41
  Amazon
• 4:42
  and
• 4:42
  it's
• 4:42
  called
• 4:43
  Don't
• 4:44
  Dismiss
• 4:45
  My
• 4:45
  Story,
• 4:46
  the
• 4:47
  Tapestry
• 4:47
  of
• 4:48
  Colonialized
• 4:49
  Voices
• 4:50
  in
• 4:50
  White
• 4:50
  Space.
• 4:51
  So
• 4:52
  first,
• 4:52
  before
• 4:53
  we
• 4:53
  jump
• 4:53
  off,
• 4:54
  Ruben,
• 4:55
  welcome,
• 4:55
  welcome,
• 4:56
  welcome
• 4:57
  to
• 4:57
  the
• 4:57
  Wheelhouse.
• 4:59
  Oh,
• 4:59
  thank
• 4:59
  you.
• 5:00
  It's
• 5:00
  an
• 5:00
  honor
• 5:01
  to
• 5:01
  be
• 5:02
  a
• 5:02
  guest
• 5:02
  on
• 5:02
  Wheelhouse
• 5:03
  and
• 5:04
  like
• 5:05
  to
• 5:05
  say
• 5:05
  hello
• 5:05
  to
• 5:05
  Mike
• 5:06
  and
• 5:06
  Kathy
• 5:07
  and
• 5:07
  of
• 5:07
  course,
• 5:07
  good
• 5:07
  morning,
• 5:08
  Dr.
• 5:09
  Naysha
• 5:09
  Munro.
• 5:11
  Good
• 5:12
  morning.
• 5:13
  So
• 5:14
  super
• 5:14
  excited.
• 5:15
  And
• 5:15
  I
• 5:15
  just
• 5:15
  want
• 5:15
  to
• 5:15
  start
• 5:16
  with
• 5:17
  just
• 5:17
  a
• 5:17
  couple
• 5:17
  of
• 5:18
  broad
• 5:18
  questions.
• 5:18
  And
• 5:19
  then
• 5:19
  I
• 5:19
  know
• 5:19
  we're
• 5:19
  going
• 5:19
  to
• 5:20
  focus
• 5:20
  in
• 5:21
  on
• 5:22
  some
• 5:22
  incredibly
• 5:23
  powerful
• 5:24
  ideas
• 5:25
  from
• 5:25
  this
• 5:25
  book.
• 5:26
  So
• 5:26
  I
• 5:26
  just
• 5:27
  want
• 5:27
  to
• 5:27
  ask
• 5:28
  probably
• 5:28
  a
• 5:29
  question
• 5:29
  that
• 5:29
  the
• 5:29
  two
• 5:29
  of
• 5:30
  you
• 5:30
  get
• 5:30
  asked
• 5:31
  all
• 5:31
  the
• 5:31
  time.
• 5:32
  Why'd
• 5:32
  you
• 5:33
  write
• 5:33
  this
• 5:33
  book?
• 5:34
  So,
• 5:35
  Dr.
• 5:36
  Chandler,
• 5:37
  Grant,
• 5:39
  Mike
• 5:39
  and
• 5:40
  Kathy,
• 5:40
  this
• 5:40
  is
• 5:41
  truly
• 5:42
  a
• 5:43
  work
• 5:43
  of
• 5:43
  heart,
• 5:44
  a
• 5:44
  work
• 5:44
  of
• 5:45
  passion,
• 5:46
  a
• 5:47
  work
• 5:47
  of
• 5:47
  spirit
• 5:50
  and
• 5:50
  soul.
• 5:52
  Reuben
• 5:53
  and
• 5:53
  I
• 5:53
  worked
• 5:53
  on
• 5:54
  this
• 5:54
  for
• 5:54
  six
• 5:55
  years.
• 5:56
  And
• 5:56
  this
• 5:57
  is
• 5:57
  an
• 5:57
  outcome
• 5:58
  of
• 5:59
  our
• 5:59
  personal
• 5:59
  testimonies
• 6:02
  as
• 6:02
  public
• 6:02
  school
• 6:03
  educators,
• 6:05
  as
• 6:05
  higher
• 6:06
  education
• 6:06
  professionals.
• 6:07
  Now
• 6:08
  where
• 6:08
  we
• 6:09
  teach,
• 6:09
  as
• 6:09
  professors,
• 6:10
  we're
• 6:11
  also
• 6:11
  in
• 6:11
  administrative
• 6:12
  spaces.
• 6:14
  And
• 6:15
  as
• 6:15
  much
• 6:15
  as
• 6:15
  we
• 6:16
  say
• 6:16
  that
• 6:16
  we've
• 6:16
  moved
• 6:17
  forward,
• 6:17
  whether
• 6:17
  that's
• 6:18
  through
• 6:18
  legislation,
• 6:20
  whether
• 6:20
  that's
• 6:20
  been
• 6:21
  through
• 6:21
  collective
• 6:22
  action,
• 6:23
  whether
• 6:23
  that
• 6:23
  has
• 6:24
  been
• 6:24
  through
• 6:24
  movement,
• 6:26
  as
• 6:26
  much
• 6:27
  as
• 6:27
  the
• 6:27
  establishment
• 6:28
  and
• 6:29
  the
• 6:29
  space
• 6:29
  stays
• 6:30
  the
• 6:30
  same
• 6:31
  and
• 6:32
  stories
• 6:32
  are
• 6:32
  dismissed,
• 6:33
  right.
• 6:34
  And
• 6:34
  there
• 6:34
  are
• 6:34
  a
• 6:34
  tapestry
• 6:35
  of
• 6:35
  these
• 6:35
  voices
• 6:36
  in
• 6:36
  colonized
• 6:37
  spaces.
• 6:39
  So
• 6:40
  Ruben
• 6:40
  and
• 6:40
  I
• 6:41
  were
• 6:41
  courageous
• 6:43
  in
• 6:43
  taking
• 6:44
  this
• 6:44
  one
• 6:44
  on
• 6:45
  and
• 6:46
  we
• 6:47
  invested
• 6:47
  ourselves,
• 6:50
  our
• 6:50
  DNA,
• 6:52
  everything
• 6:53
  into
• 6:53
  this
• 6:53
  book
• 6:54
  to
• 6:55
  really
• 6:55
  tell
• 6:56
  a
• 6:56
  truth.
• 6:58
  Thus
• 6:58
  the
• 6:59
  genre
• 6:59
  that
• 6:59
  we
• 7:00
  created
• 7:01
  through
• 7:02
  telling
• 7:02
  this
• 7:02
  story
• 7:04
  is
• 7:04
  a
• 7:04
  counter
• 7:05
  dismissal
• 7:05
  narrative.
• 7:07
  To
• 7:07
  add
• 7:08
  to
• 7:08
  that,
• 7:10
  when
• 7:11
  Dr.
• 7:11
  Monroe
• 7:12
  came
• 7:12
  to
• 7:12
  me
• 7:13
  about
• 7:13
  this
• 7:14
  particular
• 7:15
  proposal,
• 7:18
  it
• 7:18
  was
• 7:18
  a
• 7:18
  no
• 7:19
  brainer.
• 7:19
  And
• 7:20
  having
• 7:20
  worked
• 7:20
  In
• 7:21
  K
• 7:21
  through
• 7:21
  12,
• 7:22
  I've
• 7:23
  seen
• 7:23
  the
• 7:23
  deficiencies
• 7:24
  that,
• 7:25
  that
• 7:25
  are
• 7:25
  going
• 7:25
  on
• 7:26
  in
• 7:27
  K
• 7:27
  through
• 7:28
  12,
• 7:28
  not
• 7:28
  just,
• 7:30
  well,
• 7:30
  K
• 7:30
  20,
• 7:31
  not
• 7:31
  just
• 7:31
  K
• 7:32
  through
• 7:32
  12.
• 7:33
  And
• 7:33
  we
• 7:34
  see
• 7:34
  the
• 7:35
  various
• 7:35
  shortcomings
• 7:36
  and
• 7:37
  as
• 7:38
  you
• 7:39
  will
• 7:39
  see
• 7:39
  in
• 7:39
  the
• 7:39
  book
• 7:40
  Grant,
• 7:41
  and
• 7:41
  if
• 7:41
  Mike
• 7:42
  and
• 7:42
  Kathy
• 7:43
  have
• 7:43
  the
• 7:43
  opportunity
• 7:43
  to
• 7:43
  read
• 7:43
  it
• 7:44
  as
• 7:44
  well,
• 7:44
  there
• 7:45
  are
• 7:45
  a
• 7:45
  number
• 7:45
  of
• 7:45
  vignettes
• 7:46
  that
• 7:47
  are
• 7:47
  actual
• 7:47
  true
• 7:47
  stories.
• 7:49
  And
• 7:49
  the
• 7:50
  thing
• 7:50
  that
• 7:50
  is
• 7:51
  so
• 7:52
  disturbing
• 7:52
  is
• 7:52
  that
• 7:53
  there's
• 7:53
  a
• 7:54
  disconnect
• 7:55
  between
• 7:56
  the
• 7:56
  teachers,
• 7:57
  the
• 7:57
  counselors,
• 8:00
  and
• 8:00
  the
• 8:00
  students.
• 8:01
  And
• 8:02
  many
• 8:02
  of
• 8:02
  the
• 8:02
  students
• 8:04
  really
• 8:05
  don't
• 8:05
  have
• 8:06
  a
• 8:07
  voice.
• 8:08
  And
• 8:08
  it's
• 8:08
  also.
• 8:09
  It's
• 8:10
  important
• 8:10
  to
• 8:10
  understand,
• 8:11
  you
• 8:11
  know,
• 8:11
  people
• 8:11
  sit
• 8:12
  around
• 8:12
  and
• 8:12
  say,
• 8:12
  oh,
• 8:12
  we
• 8:13
  have
• 8:13
  these
• 8:13
  problems
• 8:13
  in
• 8:13
  school
• 8:14
  systems.
• 8:14
  And
• 8:15
  Dr.
• 8:16
  Munro
• 8:16
  and
• 8:17
  I
• 8:17
  looked
• 8:17
  at
• 8:17
  it,
• 8:18
  saying,
• 8:18
  well,
• 8:19
  the
• 8:19
  key
• 8:21
  elephant
• 8:22
  in
• 8:22
  the
• 8:22
  room
• 8:23
  is
• 8:24
  that
• 8:25
  the
• 8:25
  training
• 8:27
  that
• 8:27
  is
• 8:27
  going
• 8:27
  on
• 8:28
  that's
• 8:29
  supposedly
• 8:29
  preparing
• 8:31
  students
• 8:31
  to
• 8:31
  become
• 8:32
  teachers,
• 8:33
  there's
• 8:33
  a
• 8:33
  lack
• 8:35
  of
• 8:35
  not
• 8:36
  only
• 8:36
  information
• 8:37
  about
• 8:38
  understanding
• 8:38
  people
• 8:39
  from
• 8:39
  various
• 8:39
  cultures,
• 8:40
  and
• 8:41
  it's
• 8:41
  important
• 8:41
  to
• 8:41
  understand
• 8:42
  that.
• 8:42
  And
• 8:43
  when
• 8:43
  I
• 8:43
  look
• 8:43
  back
• 8:44
  at
• 8:44
  my
• 8:45
  career,
• 8:46
  my
• 8:47
  connection
• 8:48
  with
• 8:48
  former
• 8:49
  students,
• 8:49
  I
• 8:49
  mean,
• 8:49
  I
• 8:49
  have
• 8:50
  students
• 8:52
  that
• 8:52
  I'm
• 8:52
  still
• 8:52
  in
• 8:53
  contact
• 8:53
  with
• 8:54
  that
• 8:54
  I
• 8:54
  taught
• 8:55
  close
• 8:55
  to
• 8:56
  almost
• 8:56
  50
• 8:56
  years
• 8:56
  ago.
• 8:58
  And
• 8:59
  the
• 8:59
  bottom
• 8:59
  line
• 8:59
  was
• 9:00
  that
• 9:01
  through
• 9:02
  my
• 9:02
  conversations
• 9:03
  with
• 9:03
  them
• 9:03
  during
• 9:03
  that
• 9:04
  time,
• 9:05
  I
• 9:05
  was
• 9:06
  able
• 9:06
  to
• 9:06
  not
• 9:07
  only
• 9:08
  convey
• 9:09
  the
• 9:09
  subject
• 9:10
  matter
• 9:10
  to
• 9:11
  them,
• 9:11
  but
• 9:11
  also
• 9:12
  listen
• 9:12
  to
• 9:12
  them,
• 9:13
  listen
• 9:13
  to
• 9:13
  their
• 9:14
  stories.
• 9:14
  And
• 9:15
  at
• 9:15
  one
• 9:15
  time,
• 9:15
  I
• 9:15
  was
• 9:15
  at
• 9:15
  a
• 9:16
  high
• 9:16
  school
• 9:16
  where
• 9:17
  57%
• 9:18
  of
• 9:18
  students
• 9:18
  were
• 9:18
  from
• 9:18
  housing
• 9:19
  projects
• 9:20
  and
• 9:21
  just
• 9:21
  getting
• 9:22
  to
• 9:22
  know
• 9:22
  these
• 9:22
  students
• 9:23
  and
• 9:23
  talking
• 9:23
  with
• 9:23
  them
• 9:24
  and
• 9:24
  hearing
• 9:24
  their
• 9:24
  story.
• 9:26
  And
• 9:26
  Dr.
• 9:27
  Monroe
• 9:27
  also
• 9:28
  used
• 9:29
  to
• 9:29
  always
• 9:29
  say,
• 9:30
  you
• 9:30
  know
• 9:30
  a
• 9:30
  lot
• 9:30
  about
• 9:31
  history,
• 9:31
  you
• 9:31
  know,
• 9:32
  and
• 9:32
  I
• 9:32
  think
• 9:33
  that
• 9:33
  you
• 9:33
  bring
• 9:34
  that
• 9:34
  to
• 9:35
  the
• 9:35
  table
• 9:35
  when
• 9:36
  we
• 9:36
  were
• 9:36
  talking
• 9:36
  about
• 9:37
  putting
• 9:37
  this
• 9:37
  book
• 9:37
  together.
• 9:38
  And
• 9:39
  one
• 9:39
  of
• 9:39
  the
• 9:39
  things
• 9:39
  that
• 9:40
  we
• 9:41
  hear
• 9:41
  about
• 9:41
  is
• 9:42
  the
• 9:42
  test
• 9:42
  scores.
• 9:43
  There's
• 9:43
  an
• 9:43
  imbalance
• 9:44
  where
• 9:45
  black
• 9:45
  and
• 9:46
  brown
• 9:46
  students,
• 9:47
  their
• 9:47
  test
• 9:48
  scores
• 9:49
  are
• 9:49
  lower
• 9:50
  than
• 9:50
  white
• 9:50
  students.
• 9:51
  Well,
• 9:52
  what
• 9:52
  a
• 9:52
  lot
• 9:52
  of
• 9:52
  people
• 9:53
  don't
• 9:53
  know
• 9:53
  is
• 9:53
  that
• 9:53
  up
• 9:53
  until
• 9:54
  grade
• 9:54
  three,
• 9:55
  their
• 9:55
  test
• 9:55
  scores
• 9:56
  are
• 9:56
  the
• 9:56
  same.
• 9:57
  It's
• 9:57
  after
• 9:58
  grade
• 9:58
  three
• 9:58
  is
• 9:58
  when
• 9:59
  you
• 9:59
  start
• 9:59
  to
• 9:59
  see
• 9:59
  the
• 9:59
  discrepancy
• 10:01
  because
• 10:01
  there's
• 10:02
  more
• 10:02
  emphasis
• 10:02
  on
• 10:03
  tests
• 10:04
  than
• 10:04
  the
• 10:04
  student.
• 10:06
  Alicia,
• 10:06
  you
• 10:07
  called
• 10:07
  the.
• 10:08
  You
• 10:08
  used
• 10:09
  a
• 10:09
  genre.
• 10:11
  Was
• 10:11
  it
• 10:11
  counter
• 10:12
  narrative
• 10:12
  or
• 10:13
  counter
• 10:13
  dismissal?
• 10:14
  What
• 10:14
  was
• 10:14
  the.
• 10:15
  It's
• 10:15
  a
• 10:16
  counter
• 10:16
  dismissal
• 10:17
  narrative.
• 10:18
  Could
• 10:18
  you
• 10:19
  explain
• 10:20
  for
• 10:20
  our
• 10:20
  readers
• 10:21
  what
• 10:21
  is
• 10:21
  a
• 10:21
  counter
• 10:22
  dismissal
• 10:23
  narrative?
• 10:24
  So
• 10:24
  that
• 10:25
  is
• 10:25
  the
• 10:26
  original
• 10:27
  undertaking
• 10:27
  of
• 10:28
  this
• 10:28
  book.
• 10:29
  That
• 10:29
  is
• 10:29
  not.
• 10:31
  That
• 10:31
  is
• 10:31
  something
• 10:32
  that
• 10:32
  literally,
• 10:33
  Ruben
• 10:33
  and
• 10:33
  I
• 10:34
  sat
• 10:35
  and
• 10:36
  really
• 10:37
  designed
• 10:38
  that
• 10:38
  structure
• 10:39
  and
• 10:39
  that
• 10:39
  framework.
• 10:40
  It's
• 10:41
  that
• 10:41
  marginalized
• 10:42
  voices
• 10:43
  traditionally
• 10:44
  in
• 10:44
  our
• 10:44
  society
• 10:45
  are
• 10:45
  dismissed.
• 10:48
  They
• 10:48
  are
• 10:48
  suppressed.
• 10:49
  They
• 10:49
  are
• 10:49
  dismissed.
• 10:51
  And
• 10:51
  that's
• 10:51
  not
• 10:52
  only
• 10:52
  historical,
• 10:53
  that's
• 10:53
  now
• 10:54
  as
• 10:55
  we
• 10:55
  look
• 10:55
  in
• 10:56
  at
• 10:57
  our
• 10:57
  political
• 10:58
  state,
• 10:59
  right?
• 10:59
  There
• 11:00
  is
• 11:00
  a
• 11:00
  force
• 11:01
  for
• 11:01
  certain
• 11:01
  subgroups
• 11:02
  to
• 11:03
  move
• 11:04
  more
• 11:05
  and
• 11:05
  more
• 11:05
  towards
• 11:05
  the
• 11:06
  periphery.
• 11:07
  Being
• 11:07
  forced
• 11:08
  to
• 11:08
  move
• 11:09
  towards
• 11:09
  the
• 11:09
  periphery.
• 11:10
  This
• 11:10
  is
• 11:10
  not
• 11:10
  voluntary.
• 11:11
  And
• 11:12
  sooner
• 11:12
  or
• 11:12
  later,
• 11:12
  those
• 11:13
  voices
• 11:13
  will
• 11:13
  be
• 11:13
  forgotten,
• 11:15
  those
• 11:15
  voices
• 11:16
  will
• 11:16
  disappear.
• 11:17
  And
• 11:17
  that
• 11:18
  is
• 11:18
  the
• 11:18
  design
• 11:19
  of
• 11:19
  the
• 11:19
  establishment.
• 11:20
  So
• 11:21
  how
• 11:21
  do
• 11:21
  we
• 11:21
  counter
• 11:22
  that?
• 11:22
  Right.
• 11:23
  So
• 11:23
  that
• 11:23
  is
• 11:23
  the
• 11:23
  counter
• 11:24
  dismissal
• 11:24
  narrative.
• 11:25
  And
• 11:26
  not
• 11:26
  only
• 11:26
  do
• 11:27
  we
• 11:27
  focus
• 11:27
  on
• 11:27
  the
• 11:28
  history
• 11:29
  of
• 11:29
  the
• 11:29
  injustice,
• 11:31
  we
• 11:31
  provide
• 11:32
  solutions
• 11:33
  on
• 11:34
  how
• 11:34
  to
• 11:35
  overcome
• 11:35
  these
• 11:36
  injustices
• 11:37
  if
• 11:37
  we
• 11:38
  come
• 11:38
  together
• 11:38
  as
• 11:39
  a
• 11:39
  collective,
• 11:40
  true
• 11:40
  community
• 11:41
  and
• 11:42
  ecosystem
• 11:43
  of
• 11:43
  learning
• 11:44
  to
• 11:45
  really
• 11:45
  center
• 11:46
  our
• 11:46
  students
• 11:47
  needs
• 11:48
  and
• 11:48
  those
• 11:49
  of
• 11:49
  humanity.
• 11:51
  So
• 11:51
  that
• 11:52
  is
• 11:52
  in
• 11:52
  essence,
• 11:53
  what
• 11:54
  the
• 11:54
  counter
• 11:54
  dismissal
• 11:55
  focuses
• 11:56
  on
• 11:56
  and
• 11:57
  where
• 11:57
  the
• 11:57
  counter
• 11:58
  dismissal
• 11:58
  targets.
• 12:01
  I
• 12:01
  mean,
• 12:01
  I
• 12:01
  love.
• 12:02
  I
• 12:02
  love
• 12:02
  how
• 12:03
  you
• 12:03
  described
• 12:03
  it.
• 12:04
  Right.
• 12:04
  But
• 12:04
  I
• 12:05
  love
• 12:05
  how
• 12:05
  you've
• 12:05
  organized
• 12:07
  the
• 12:08
  book
• 12:08
  around
• 12:09
  that
• 12:10
  particular
• 12:10
  piece
• 12:11
  that
• 12:11
  could
• 12:11
  not
• 12:11
  be.
• 12:12
  Historically,
• 12:13
  that's
• 12:13
  been
• 12:14
  incredibly
• 12:14
  important
• 12:17
  to
• 12:17
  counter
• 12:18
  these
• 12:18
  efforts.
• 12:19
  But
• 12:19
  in
• 12:20
  2025,
• 12:22
  it
• 12:22
  becomes
• 12:23
  increasingly
• 12:24
  more
• 12:24
  timely
• 12:25
  every
• 12:26
  time
• 12:26
  I
• 12:26
  go
• 12:26
  to
• 12:26
  the
• 12:27
  news.
• 12:27
  It's
• 12:28
  increasingly
• 12:28
  more
• 12:29
  timely
• 12:29
  that
• 12:30
  we
• 12:30
  continue
• 12:32
  to
• 12:32
  engage
• 12:32
  in
• 12:33
  these
• 12:33
  conversations
• 12:34
  and
• 12:34
  in
• 12:35
  this
• 12:35
  work
• 12:35
  that
• 12:36
  you
• 12:36
  have
• 12:36
  done
• 12:36
  so
• 12:37
  brilliantly
• 12:40
  to
• 12:40
  counter
• 12:40
  those
• 12:41
  efforts.
• 12:42
  And
• 12:42
  when
• 12:42
  we
• 12:43
  look
• 12:43
  at
• 12:43
  the
• 12:44
  training
• 12:44
  aspect,
• 12:44
  going
• 12:45
  back
• 12:45
  to
• 12:45
  the
• 12:45
  training
• 12:45
  aspect,
• 12:47
  we
• 12:47
  all
• 12:48
  took
• 12:48
  psychology
• 12:49
  courses
• 12:50
  as
• 12:50
  part
• 12:50
  of
• 12:50
  the
• 12:51
  process.
• 12:52
  But
• 12:52
  then
• 12:52
  when
• 12:53
  we
• 12:53
  become
• 12:53
  teachers,
• 12:54
  we
• 12:54
  don't
• 12:54
  really
• 12:55
  utilize
• 12:56
  the
• 12:56
  knowledge
• 12:57
  that
• 12:57
  we
• 12:57
  acquired
• 12:58
  from
• 12:58
  the
• 12:58
  psychology
• 12:59
  courses.
• 13:00
  When
• 13:01
  it
• 13:01
  talks
• 13:01
  about
• 13:01
  understanding
• 13:02
  people
• 13:02
  from
• 13:03
  different
• 13:03
  backgrounds,
• 13:04
  whether
• 13:04
  it's
• 13:07
  black,
• 13:07
  brown,
• 13:08
  sexual
• 13:09
  orientation,
• 13:10
  we
• 13:11
  don't
• 13:11
  use
• 13:12
  those
• 13:12
  principles
• 13:14
  in
• 13:14
  those
• 13:15
  classes.
• 13:15
  That
• 13:16
  was
• 13:16
  supposed
• 13:16
  to
• 13:16
  be
• 13:16
  part
• 13:17
  of
• 13:17
  the
• 13:17
  educational
• 13:18
  process.
• 13:19
  So
• 13:19
  when
• 13:19
  we
• 13:19
  look
• 13:20
  at
• 13:21
  the
• 13:21
  training
• 13:21
  aspect
• 13:22
  or
• 13:22
  curriculum
• 13:23
  aspect,
• 13:24
  we
• 13:24
  have
• 13:24
  to
• 13:25
  look
• 13:25
  at
• 13:25
  the
• 13:25
  local
• 13:25
  schools.
• 13:26
  And
• 13:26
  so
• 13:26
  that's
• 13:27
  why
• 13:27
  it's
• 13:27
  important
• 13:28
  that
• 13:29
  our
• 13:29
  message
• 13:29
  continues
• 13:30
  to
• 13:30
  spread
• 13:31
  in
• 13:31
  the
• 13:32
  various
• 13:32
  school
• 13:32
  districts.
• 13:33
  I
• 13:33
  know
• 13:33
  Dr.
• 13:33
  Murrell
• 13:34
  travels
• 13:34
  a
• 13:34
  lot
• 13:34
  more
• 13:35
  than
• 13:35
  I
• 13:35
  do
• 13:37
  with
• 13:37
  her
• 13:38
  consulting
• 13:38
  work.
• 13:39
  And
• 13:39
  so
• 13:39
  she's
• 13:39
  been
• 13:40
  able
• 13:40
  to
• 13:40
  not
• 13:41
  only
• 13:41
  talk
• 13:41
  about
• 13:41
  the
• 13:42
  importance
• 13:42
  of
• 13:43
  communicative
• 13:44
  action
• 13:46
  and
• 13:47
  the
• 13:47
  book,
• 13:47
  of
• 13:47
  course,
• 13:48
  but
• 13:49
  to
• 13:49
  understand
• 13:49
  people
• 13:50
  from
• 13:50
  various
• 13:51
  cultures.
• 13:52
  Just
• 13:52
  like
• 13:53
  I'm
• 13:53
  here
• 13:54
  with
• 13:54
  the
• 13:54
  four
• 13:54
  of
• 13:55
  you,
• 13:55
  of
• 13:55
  course,
• 13:56
  I
• 13:56
  know
• 13:56
  Dr.
• 13:57
  Monroe
• 13:57
  very
• 13:57
  well.
• 13:58
  Hopefully
• 13:58
  I
• 13:58
  get
• 13:58
  to
• 13:58
  know
• 13:59
  Michael
• 13:59
  and
• 14:00
  Kathy
• 14:01
  and
• 14:01
  you
• 14:01
  Grant
• 14:02
  as
• 14:02
  well,
• 14:03
  because
• 14:04
  you
• 14:04
  have
• 14:04
  a
• 14:04
  story
• 14:05
  to
• 14:05
  tell.
• 14:06
  And
• 14:07
  the
• 14:07
  same
• 14:07
  goes
• 14:08
  with
• 14:08
  students
• 14:09
  and
• 14:10
  with
• 14:10
  communicative
• 14:11
  action.
• 14:12
  Both
• 14:12
  parties
• 14:13
  are
• 14:13
  learning
• 14:13
  from
• 14:13
  each
• 14:14
  other.
• 14:14
  Yes,
• 14:14
  I
• 14:14
  am
• 14:15
  the
• 14:15
  counselor
• 14:16
  or
• 14:16
  whatever,
• 14:17
  but
• 14:18
  I'm
• 14:18
  also
• 14:18
  learning
• 14:18
  from
• 14:19
  the
• 14:19
  school.
• 14:19
  And
• 14:19
  one
• 14:20
  of
• 14:20
  the
• 14:20
  vignettes,
• 14:21
  and
• 14:21
  I
• 14:21
  don't
• 14:21
  want
• 14:21
  to
• 14:21
  go
• 14:22
  on
• 14:22
  a
• 14:22
  tear.
• 14:22
  One
• 14:23
  of
• 14:23
  the
• 14:23
  vignettes
• 14:24
  is
• 14:24
  a
• 14:24
  true
• 14:25
  story
• 14:25
  where
• 14:26
  these
• 14:27
  two
• 14:27
  teachers
• 14:28
  walk
• 14:28
  into
• 14:28
  the
• 14:28
  lunchroom
• 14:30
  and
• 14:31
  there's
• 14:31
  a
• 14:32
  teacher
• 14:33
  in
• 14:33
  there
• 14:33
  and
• 14:35
  he
• 14:35
  recognizes
• 14:36
  both
• 14:36
  teachers,
• 14:36
  but
• 14:37
  he
• 14:37
  recognizes
• 14:37
  one
• 14:37
  of
• 14:38
  the
• 14:38
  teachers
• 14:38
  and
• 14:39
  he
• 14:39
  goes,
• 14:39
  aren't
• 14:39
  you
• 14:40
  the.
• 14:40
  And
• 14:40
  I'm
• 14:40
  going
• 14:41
  to
• 14:41
  use
• 14:41
  a
• 14:41
  different
• 14:41
  name
• 14:45
  just
• 14:45
  to
• 14:45
  cover
• 14:45
  up,
• 14:46
  but
• 14:46
  he
• 14:46
  said,
• 14:46
  aren't
• 14:47
  you
• 14:47
  Jamal's
• 14:48
  homeroom?
• 14:49
  Teacher.
• 14:49
  And
• 14:50
  she
• 14:50
  says,
• 14:51
  yes.
• 14:52
  And
• 14:52
  the
• 14:53
  other
• 14:53
  teacher
• 14:53
  also
• 14:53
  knew
• 14:54
  Jamal
• 14:54
  because
• 14:55
  this
• 14:55
  particular
• 14:56
  Jamal
• 14:56
  was
• 14:56
  in
• 14:57
  the
• 14:57
  other
• 14:57
  teacher's
• 14:59
  class
• 14:59
  as
• 14:59
  well.
• 15:00
  And
• 15:00
  he
• 15:00
  says,
• 15:00
  well,
• 15:00
  you
• 15:00
  know,
• 15:00
  Jamal's
• 15:01
  flunking
• 15:02
  my
• 15:02
  class.
• 15:03
  And
• 15:03
  she
• 15:03
  goes,
• 15:04
  why?
• 15:04
  She
• 15:04
  says,
• 15:05
  well.
• 15:05
  And
• 15:06
  then
• 15:06
  he
• 15:06
  says,
• 15:06
  well,
• 15:07
  every
• 15:07
  time
• 15:07
  he
• 15:07
  comes
• 15:07
  to
• 15:08
  class,
• 15:08
  he
• 15:08
  has
• 15:08
  to
• 15:08
  go
• 15:08
  to
• 15:08
  the
• 15:08
  bathroom.
• 15:09
  And
• 15:09
  he
• 15:09
  said,
• 15:09
  the
• 15:10
  first
• 15:10
  time
• 15:10
  I
• 15:10
  let
• 15:10
  him
• 15:10
  go.
• 15:10
  And
• 15:11
  he
• 15:11
  said,
• 15:11
  but
• 15:11
  after
• 15:12
  that
• 15:12
  I
• 15:13
  wouldn't
• 15:13
  let
• 15:13
  him
• 15:13
  go.
• 15:13
  And
• 15:13
  he
• 15:14
  got
• 15:14
  all
• 15:14
  upset.
• 15:14
  So
• 15:14
  I
• 15:15
  sent
• 15:15
  him
• 15:15
  to
• 15:15
  the
• 15:15
  vice
• 15:15
  principal's
• 15:16
  office.
• 15:17
  And
• 15:17
  so
• 15:18
  both
• 15:19
  the
• 15:19
  other
• 15:19
  teachers
• 15:20
  knew
• 15:20
  about
• 15:21
  Jamal's
• 15:21
  situation.
• 15:22
  They
• 15:23
  said,
• 15:23
  did
• 15:23
  you
• 15:24
  ever
• 15:24
  ask
• 15:24
  him
• 15:24
  why
• 15:24
  he
• 15:24
  has
• 15:25
  to
• 15:25
  go
• 15:25
  to
• 15:25
  the
• 15:25
  bathroom?
• 15:26
  Did
• 15:27
  you
• 15:27
  know
• 15:27
  that
• 15:28
  he
• 15:28
  takes
• 15:28
  asthma
• 15:29
  medicine
• 15:30
  that
• 15:30
  causes
• 15:30
  him
• 15:31
  to
• 15:31
  urinate
• 15:31
  more
• 15:32
  frequently?
• 15:33
  And
• 15:33
  he
• 15:33
  said,
• 15:34
  no.
• 15:34
  And
• 15:35
  that's
• 15:35
  a
• 15:35
  perfect
• 15:36
  example
• 15:36
  of
• 15:37
  omission
• 15:38
  of
• 15:38
  communicative
• 15:39
  action,
• 15:39
  because
• 15:40
  he
• 15:40
  never
• 15:40
  asked
• 15:40
  him.
• 15:41
  Oh,
• 15:41
  he
• 15:41
  just
• 15:41
  looked
• 15:41
  at,
• 15:42
  oh,
• 15:42
  he's
• 15:42
  trying
• 15:42
  to
• 15:42
  go
• 15:42
  to
• 15:43
  the
• 15:43
  bathroom,
• 15:43
  stay
• 15:43
  out
• 15:43
  of
• 15:43
  class.
• 15:44
  No,
• 15:45
  he
• 15:45
  had
• 15:46
  a
• 15:46
  health
• 15:46
  issue
• 15:47
  where
• 15:47
  his
• 15:48
  medication
• 15:48
  caused
• 15:48
  him
• 15:49
  to
• 15:49
  urinate.
• 15:50
  When
• 15:51
  are
• 15:51
  we
• 15:51
  going
• 15:51
  to
• 15:51
  stop
• 15:51
  making
• 15:52
  assumptions
• 15:52
  about
• 15:53
  people?
• 15:54
  Right?
• 15:55
  When
• 15:55
  are
• 15:56
  we
• 15:56
  going
• 15:56
  to
• 15:56
  stop
• 15:56
  making
• 15:57
  assumptions
• 15:58
  and
• 15:58
  just
• 15:59
  connect
• 16:01
  human
• 16:01
  to
• 16:01
  human?
• 16:03
  That's
• 16:03
  exactly
• 16:04
  what
• 16:04
  I
• 16:04
  was
• 16:04
  going
• 16:04
  to
• 16:04
  lift
• 16:05
  up
• 16:05
  this
• 16:06
  with
• 16:06
  something
• 16:06
  that
• 16:07
  should
• 16:07
  be
• 16:07
  so
• 16:08
  simple,
• 16:09
  just
• 16:10
  a
• 16:10
  human
• 16:11
  connection
• 16:14
  where
• 16:14
  has
• 16:14
  that.
• 16:15
  And
• 16:15
  I
• 16:16
  don't
• 16:16
  even
• 16:16
  want
• 16:16
  to
• 16:16
  say
• 16:16
  lost,
• 16:17
  because
• 16:17
  I
• 16:17
  don't
• 16:18
  know,
• 16:18
  as
• 16:18
  though
• 16:18
  in
• 16:18
  some
• 16:19
  spaces
• 16:19
  it's
• 16:19
  ever
• 16:20
  been
• 16:20
  there.
• 16:21
  And
• 16:22
  to
• 16:23
  have
• 16:23
  to
• 16:24
  think
• 16:24
  about
• 16:24
  a
• 16:25
  college
• 16:25
  course
• 16:25
  as
• 16:26
  you
• 16:26
  lift
• 16:26
  it
• 16:26
  up,
• 16:27
  Ruben,
• 16:27
  and
• 16:27
  then
• 16:27
  forgetting
• 16:28
  about
• 16:28
  that.
• 16:28
  But
• 16:29
  how
• 16:29
  many
• 16:30
  courses
• 16:30
  does
• 16:31
  it
• 16:31
  really
• 16:31
  take
• 16:32
  to.
• 16:32
  To
• 16:32
  be
• 16:33
  human?
• 16:33
  That's.
• 16:34
  I
• 16:34
  mean,
• 16:35
  and
• 16:35
  Alicia,
• 16:36
  when
• 16:36
  you
• 16:36
  said
• 16:36
  that,
• 16:37
  that
• 16:37
  collectiveness.
• 16:39
  That
• 16:40
  is
• 16:40
  so.
• 16:40
  And
• 16:40
  we've
• 16:40
  talked
• 16:41
  about
• 16:41
  that
• 16:41
  in
• 16:42
  multiple
• 16:42
  episodes
• 16:43
  and
• 16:43
  really
• 16:44
  coming
• 16:44
  together
• 16:45
  as
• 16:45
  humans
• 16:47
  and
• 16:48
  in
• 16:48
  taking
• 16:49
  pause
• 16:50
  and
• 16:50
  listening,
• 16:52
  as
• 16:52
  we
• 16:53
  do
• 16:53
  here
• 16:53
  in
• 16:53
  this
• 16:54
  space,
• 16:54
  what
• 16:54
  does
• 16:54
  that
• 16:55
  look
• 16:55
  like
• 16:55
  to
• 16:55
  do
• 16:56
  that
• 16:56
  in
• 16:56
  every
• 16:56
  space
• 16:57
  that
• 16:57
  we're
• 16:57
  in?
• 16:58
  And
• 16:58
  it.
• 16:58
  To
• 16:58
  me,
• 16:59
  it
• 16:59
  is
• 17:00
  just
• 17:01
  so
• 17:01
  simplistic,
• 17:02
  yet
• 17:03
  we
• 17:04
  overcomplicate
• 17:05
  it.
• 17:06
  Well,
• 17:06
  that's
• 17:07
  because
• 17:07
  one
• 17:08
  voice
• 17:08
  has
• 17:09
  traditionally
• 17:09
  been
• 17:10
  dominant.
• 17:10
  Right.
• 17:11
  In
• 17:11
  society.
• 17:12
  And
• 17:13
  that's
• 17:13
  the
• 17:13
  premise
• 17:14
  of
• 17:14
  power
• 17:14
  that
• 17:14
  Ruben
• 17:15
  and
• 17:15
  I
• 17:16
  break
• 17:16
  down
• 17:17
  and
• 17:18
  really
• 17:18
  unpack
• 17:19
  and
• 17:19
  deconstruct
• 17:20
  in
• 17:20
  the
• 17:21
  book.
• 17:21
  Right?
• 17:22
  It's
• 17:23
  power
• 17:23
  over
• 17:24
  versus
• 17:24
  power
• 17:25
  with.
• 17:26
  And
• 17:28
  we
• 17:29
  really
• 17:29
  look
• 17:29
  at
• 17:29
  it
• 17:30
  as
• 17:31
  vertical
• 17:32
  versus
• 17:33
  horizontal.
• 17:34
  And
• 17:35
  what
• 17:35
  the
• 17:35
  outcomes
• 17:36
  of
• 17:36
  that
• 17:36
  premise
• 17:37
  of
• 17:37
  power
• 17:37
  actually
• 17:38
  is.
• 17:39
  So
• 17:39
  I'm
• 17:40
  glad
• 17:40
  we're
• 17:41
  centering
• 17:41
  on
• 17:41
  that
• 17:42
  because
• 17:43
  the
• 17:43
  premise
• 17:44
  of
• 17:44
  power
• 17:44
  dictates
• 17:45
  that
• 17:45
  there
• 17:45
  is
• 17:46
  a
• 17:46
  majority,
• 17:47
  and
• 17:47
  the
• 17:47
  majority
• 17:48
  does
• 17:48
  not
• 17:48
  want
• 17:49
  to
• 17:49
  lose
• 17:49
  control
• 17:50
  of
• 17:50
  the
• 17:50
  majority
• 17:51
  state.
• 17:53
  So
• 17:53
  it
• 17:53
  really.
• 17:55
  And
• 17:55
  because
• 17:56
  I'm
• 17:56
  going
• 17:56
  to
• 17:56
  be
• 17:56
  honest
• 17:57
  with
• 17:57
  you,
• 17:58
  Kath,
• 17:58
  because
• 17:59
  we
• 17:59
  do
• 18:00
  really
• 18:01
  dig
• 18:01
  deep
• 18:02
  into
• 18:02
  history
• 18:03
  and
• 18:04
  dig
• 18:04
  deep
• 18:04
  into
• 18:05
  theory
• 18:06
  and
• 18:07
  focus
• 18:07
  on
• 18:08
  communicative
• 18:09
  actions
• 18:10
  and
• 18:10
  practices
• 18:11
  in
• 18:11
  that
• 18:11
  space
• 18:13
  as
• 18:14
  well
• 18:14
  as
• 18:14
  embedding
• 18:16
  an
• 18:16
  authentic
• 18:17
  framework
• 18:17
  of
• 18:18
  authentic
• 18:19
  engagement
• 18:20
  in
• 18:20
  one
• 18:21
  of
• 18:21
  the
• 18:21
  chapters.
• 18:22
  We
• 18:23
  had
• 18:23
  to
• 18:23
  move
• 18:24
  that
• 18:24
  into
• 18:25
  academic
• 18:26
  space
• 18:26
  for
• 18:27
  publishing
• 18:27
  purposes
• 18:29
  because
• 18:30
  when
• 18:31
  we
• 18:31
  moved
• 18:31
  into
• 18:32
  a
• 18:32
  more
• 18:33
  traditional
• 18:33
  channel
• 18:34
  for
• 18:35
  publishing
• 18:35
  this
• 18:36
  book,
• 18:37
  our
• 18:37
  voices
• 18:38
  were
• 18:38
  being
• 18:38
  changed.
• 18:40
  So
• 18:42
  we
• 18:42
  locked
• 18:43
  arms
• 18:43
  and
• 18:43
  dug
• 18:44
  our
• 18:44
  heels
• 18:44
  in
• 18:45
  and
• 18:45
  Reuben
• 18:46
  and
• 18:46
  I
• 18:46
  were
• 18:46
  committed
• 18:47
  to
• 18:48
  finding
• 18:48
  a
• 18:48
  publisher
• 18:49
  that
• 18:49
  would
• 18:50
  dignify
• 18:50
  our
• 18:51
  voices
• 18:52
  and
• 18:53
  our
• 18:53
  narrative.
• 18:54
  And
• 18:54
  we
• 18:55
  were
• 18:55
  not
• 18:55
  going
• 18:55
  to
• 18:56
  submit
• 18:57
  to
• 18:59
  and
• 18:59
  coalesce
• 19:01
  to
• 19:01
  what
• 19:01
  the
• 19:02
  conventional
• 19:03
  norms
• 19:03
  of
• 19:03
  publishing
• 19:04
  was
• 19:04
  going
• 19:05
  to
• 19:05
  be
• 19:06
  in
• 19:06
  order
• 19:06
  to
• 19:07
  get
• 19:07
  a
• 19:07
  book
• 19:07
  published.
• 19:08
  So
• 19:09
  these
• 19:09
  were
• 19:09
  some
• 19:10
  serious
• 19:11
  decisions
• 19:12
  that
• 19:13
  Ruben
• 19:13
  and
• 19:13
  I
• 19:14
  came
• 19:14
  together
• 19:15
  on,
• 19:15
  agreed,
• 19:17
  promised
• 19:18
  to
• 19:18
  each
• 19:18
  other
• 19:19
  as
• 19:19
  co
• 19:20
  authors
• 19:20
  that
• 19:21
  that
• 19:22
  was
• 19:22
  not
• 19:22
  something
• 19:23
  that
• 19:23
  we
• 19:23
  were
• 19:23
  going
• 19:23
  to
• 19:24
  relinquish.
• 19:24
  We
• 19:24
  weren't
• 19:25
  going
• 19:25
  to
• 19:25
  relinquish
• 19:26
  our
• 19:26
  power
• 19:27
  in
• 19:29
  and
• 19:29
  the
• 19:29
  whole
• 19:30
  goal
• 19:30
  of
• 19:32
  developing
• 19:32
  and
• 19:33
  creating
• 19:33
  a
• 19:33
  book
• 19:33
  about
• 19:34
  power.
• 19:35
  So
• 19:36
  the
• 19:37
  irony
• 19:37
  is
• 19:38
  that
• 19:39
  exactly
• 19:40
  what
• 19:40
  you
• 19:40
  talked
• 19:40
  about,
• 19:41
  Kath,
• 19:42
  is
• 19:42
  exactly
• 19:43
  what
• 19:43
  Ruben
• 19:43
  and
• 19:43
  I
• 19:44
  walk
• 19:44
  out.
• 19:45
  I
• 19:45
  just
• 19:46
  want
• 19:46
  to
• 19:46
  add
• 19:46
  to
• 19:46
  that
• 19:47
  because
• 19:47
  I
• 19:47
  want
• 19:47
  to
• 19:47
  hear
• 19:47
  what
• 19:47
  Mike
• 19:48
  wanted
• 19:48
  to
• 19:49
  say.
• 19:51
  As
• 19:51
  Dr.
• 19:51
  Moreau
• 19:52
  said,
• 19:52
  we
• 19:53
  had
• 19:54
  offers
• 19:54
  from
• 19:55
  other
• 19:55
  publishers
• 19:56
  and
• 19:57
  they
• 19:57
  want
• 19:57
  to
• 19:58
  we
• 19:58
  send
• 19:58
  them
• 19:58
  a
• 19:58
  copy
• 19:59
  of
• 19:59
  the
• 19:59
  introduction
• 20:00
  or
• 20:00
  the
• 20:00
  first
• 20:00
  chapter
• 20:01
  and
• 20:02
  they
• 20:03
  would
• 20:03
  get
• 20:03
  back
• 20:03
  to
• 20:03
  us
• 20:04
  and
• 20:04
  they
• 20:04
  go,
• 20:04
  yeah,
• 20:04
  this
• 20:05
  is
• 20:05
  nice,
• 20:05
  but
• 20:05
  you
• 20:06
  need
• 20:06
  to
• 20:06
  change
• 20:06
  this.
• 20:07
  So
• 20:08
  it's
• 20:08
  like
• 20:09
  if
• 20:09
  we
• 20:09
  change
• 20:09
  that,
• 20:10
  that's
• 20:10
  not
• 20:10
  really
• 20:10
  us,
• 20:11
  that's
• 20:11
  not
• 20:11
  really
• 20:12
  our
• 20:12
  voice.
• 20:12
  That's
• 20:13
  your
• 20:13
  perspective.
• 20:14
  That's
• 20:14
  not
• 20:14
  our
• 20:15
  perspective.
• 20:15
  But
• 20:15
  Cognella
• 20:16
  gave
• 20:16
  us
• 20:16
  that
• 20:17
  freedom
• 20:19
  when
• 20:19
  they
• 20:19
  edited
• 20:19
  it.
• 20:20
  They
• 20:20
  were
• 20:20
  editing
• 20:20
  like,
• 20:21
  okay,
• 20:21
  maybe
• 20:22
  add
• 20:22
  footnotes
• 20:23
  here
• 20:23
  or
• 20:23
  add
• 20:24
  something
• 20:25
  here.
• 20:25
  But
• 20:25
  they
• 20:25
  never
• 20:26
  said,
• 20:26
  no,
• 20:26
  you
• 20:26
  need
• 20:26
  to
• 20:27
  change
• 20:27
  that.
• 20:27
  That
• 20:27
  was
• 20:28
  the
• 20:28
  one
• 20:28
  word
• 20:28
  we
• 20:28
  never
• 20:29
  heard
• 20:29
  from
• 20:29
  Cognill.
• 20:35
  The
• 20:35
  counter
• 20:36
  dismissal
• 20:38
  narrative
• 20:39
  is
• 20:39
  essential
• 20:41
  in
• 20:41
  helping
• 20:42
  people
• 20:42
  understand
• 20:44
  how
• 20:44
  biases
• 20:45
  get
• 20:45
  established,
• 20:46
  how
• 20:47
  they
• 20:47
  operate
• 20:48
  systemically
• 20:49
  and
• 20:50
  our
• 20:50
  obligation.
• 20:52
  People
• 20:53
  work
• 20:53
  in
• 20:53
  good
• 20:54
  faith
• 20:54
  as
• 20:54
  human
• 20:55
  beings,
• 20:55
  cultivating
• 20:57
  future
• 20:57
  generations
• 20:59
  that
• 20:59
  we
• 21:00
  do
• 21:00
  this
• 21:00
  self
• 21:01
  examination,
• 21:02
  that
• 21:03
  we
• 21:03
  engage
• 21:03
  in
• 21:03
  the
• 21:04
  deep
• 21:04
  learning
• 21:05
  that
• 21:05
  we
• 21:05
  let
• 21:05
  it
• 21:06
  weave
• 21:07
  in
• 21:07
  and
• 21:08
  fill
• 21:08
  us
• 21:08
  up
• 21:10
  and
• 21:10
  open
• 21:10
  our
• 21:11
  eyes
• 21:12
  so
• 21:13
  that
• 21:14
  we're
• 21:14
  better
• 21:15
  able
• 21:15
  to,
• 21:15
  to
• 21:16
  regard
• 21:16
  the
• 21:16
  human
• 21:17
  beings
• 21:17
  we
• 21:17
  have
• 21:17
  the
• 21:17
  privilege
• 21:18
  of
• 21:18
  working
• 21:18
  with.
• 21:19
  That's
• 21:20
  how
• 21:20
  I
• 21:20
  understand
• 21:21
  the
• 21:21
  counter
• 21:22
  dismissal
• 21:23
  narrative.
• 21:24
  But
• 21:24
  I
• 21:24
  see
• 21:26
  and
• 21:26
  feel
• 21:28
  the
• 21:29
  weight
• 21:30
  of
• 21:31
  a
• 21:31
  fearful
• 21:33
  and
• 21:34
  I'm
• 21:34
  just
• 21:34
  going
• 21:35
  to
• 21:35
  say
• 21:36
  white
• 21:38
  professional
• 21:39
  demographic
• 21:40
  in
• 21:41
  world
• 21:41
  of
• 21:41
  education
• 21:43
  that
• 21:44
  we
• 21:44
  continue
• 21:44
  to
• 21:45
  work
• 21:45
  with
• 21:45
  this
• 21:45
  dichotomy.
• 21:46
  If
• 21:47
  I
• 21:47
  have
• 21:47
  these
• 21:48
  biases,
• 21:49
  then
• 21:49
  I'm
• 21:50
  adult,
• 21:51
  not
• 21:51
  a
• 21:51
  good
• 21:51
  human
• 21:52
  being.
• 21:52
  And
• 21:53
  me
• 21:53
  that's
• 21:54
  where
• 21:54
  everything
• 21:55
  seems
• 21:55
  to
• 21:55
  go
• 21:56
  off
• 21:56
  the
• 21:56
  rails
• 21:56
  for
• 21:57
  people.
• 21:57
  I
• 21:58
  think
• 21:58
  it's
• 21:58
  really
• 21:58
  important,
• 21:59
  this
• 22:00
  idea
• 22:02
  of
• 22:02
  self
• 22:02
  examination.
• 22:03
  I
• 22:03
  mean,
• 22:04
  Ruben
• 22:04
  said
• 22:05
  it
• 22:05
  at
• 22:05
  the
• 22:05
  very
• 22:05
  beginning,
• 22:05
  right?
• 22:06
  Hey,
• 22:06
  we
• 22:06
  learn
• 22:07
  how
• 22:07
  to
• 22:07
  do
• 22:07
  this
• 22:07
  in
• 22:07
  psychology
• 22:08
  101
• 22:09
  as
• 22:09
  we're
• 22:09
  getting
• 22:09
  ready
• 22:10
  to
• 22:10
  be
• 22:10
  teachers.
• 22:10
  And
• 22:11
  then
• 22:11
  we,
• 22:11
  we
• 22:11
  never
• 22:12
  use
• 22:12
  it,
• 22:12
  right?
• 22:12
  You
• 22:12
  know,
• 22:13
  and
• 22:13
  then
• 22:13
  there's
• 22:13
  that
• 22:14
  rhetorical
• 22:14
  question,
• 22:15
  you
• 22:15
  know,
• 22:15
  how
• 22:15
  many
• 22:16
  psych
• 22:16
  courses
• 22:17
  does
• 22:17
  it
• 22:17
  take
• 22:17
  for
• 22:17
  us
• 22:17
  to
• 22:17
  be
• 22:18
  human?
• 22:18
  Right.
• 22:19
  Or
• 22:19
  screw
• 22:20
  it
• 22:20
  a
• 22:20
  light
• 22:20
  bulb,
• 22:20
  Right?
• 22:22
  And
• 22:22
  yet
• 22:23
  that
• 22:23
  became
• 22:23
  a
• 22:24
  central
• 22:24
  idea
• 22:25
  in
• 22:25
  your
• 22:25
  book.
• 22:26
  But,
• 22:26
  you
• 22:26
  know,
• 22:26
  and
• 22:27
  in
• 22:27
  powerful
• 22:27
  student
• 22:27
  care,
• 22:28
  we
• 22:28
  did
• 22:28
  the
• 22:28
  same
• 22:28
  thing.
• 22:29
  We.
• 22:29
  You
• 22:30
  can't,
• 22:30
  as
• 22:30
  a,
• 22:30
  as
• 22:31
  a
• 22:31
  teacher,
• 22:31
  you
• 22:31
  can't
• 22:32
  extend
• 22:32
  these
• 22:33
  tenants
• 22:33
  to
• 22:33
  all
• 22:34
  of
• 22:34
  your
• 22:34
  children
• 22:35
  if
• 22:35
  you
• 22:35
  can't
• 22:36
  think
• 22:36
  about
• 22:38
  and
• 22:38
  surface
• 22:38
  and
• 22:39
  interrogate
• 22:39
  your
• 22:39
  own
• 22:40
  mental
• 22:41
  models
• 22:42
  about
• 22:43
  yourself
• 22:43
  and
• 22:43
  about
• 22:43
  other
• 22:44
  people
• 22:44
  and
• 22:44
  about
• 22:44
  your
• 22:44
  role
• 22:45
  and
• 22:45
  et
• 22:46
  cetera
• 22:47
  becomes.
• 22:48
  You
• 22:49
  can't,
• 22:49
  I
• 22:49
  mean,
• 22:49
  you
• 22:50
  just
• 22:50
  can't
• 22:50
  do
• 22:51
  what
• 22:51
  you
• 22:52
  need
• 22:52
  to
• 22:52
  do
• 22:52
  if
• 22:53
  you
• 22:53
  cannot,
• 22:54
  you
• 22:54
  know,
• 22:54
  look
• 22:54
  yourself
• 22:55
  in
• 22:55
  the
• 22:55
  mirror,
• 22:56
  right?
• 22:56
  And
• 22:57
  see
• 22:57
  things
• 22:58
  that
• 22:59
  we
• 22:59
  need
• 22:59
  to
• 22:59
  examine
• 23:00
  and
• 23:00
  we
• 23:00
  need
• 23:00
  to
• 23:00
  change.
• 23:01
  You
• 23:01
  talked
• 23:02
  about,
• 23:03
  here
• 23:03
  are
• 23:03
  some
• 23:03
  things
• 23:04
  we
• 23:04
  can
• 23:04
  do,
• 23:05
  as
• 23:06
  you
• 23:06
  know,
• 23:06
  in
• 23:07
  our
• 23:07
  white
• 23:07
  spaces,
• 23:08
  you
• 23:08
  know,
• 23:09
  what
• 23:10
  do
• 23:10
  we
• 23:10
  offer
• 23:11
  up?
• 23:11
  You
• 23:12
  know,
• 23:12
  just.
• 23:13
  And
• 23:13
  I
• 23:14
  keep
• 23:14
  saying
• 23:14
  this,
• 23:14
  and
• 23:14
  I
• 23:15
  don't
• 23:15
  mean
• 23:15
  this
• 23:16
  in
• 23:17
  a
• 23:17
  way
• 23:17
  that
• 23:17
  discounts,
• 23:19
  but
• 23:19
  when
• 23:19
  we
• 23:19
  think
• 23:20
  about
• 23:21
  within
• 23:21
  this
• 23:21
  space
• 23:22
  of
• 23:22
  people
• 23:22
  listening
• 23:23
  to
• 23:23
  this
• 23:23
  podcast,
• 23:25
  what
• 23:25
  do
• 23:25
  we
• 23:26
  do,
• 23:26
  Ruben?
• 23:27
  What
• 23:27
  do
• 23:27
  we
• 23:27
  do,
• 23:27
  Alicia?
• 23:28
  What
• 23:29
  are
• 23:29
  our
• 23:29
  steps
• 23:30
  that
• 23:30
  we
• 23:30
  can
• 23:31
  take
• 23:33
  to
• 23:33
  get
• 23:34
  closer
• 23:34
  and
• 23:34
  closer
• 23:35
  to
• 23:35
  humanizing
• 23:37
  education?
• 23:39
  So
• 23:39
  before
• 23:39
  Ruben
• 23:40
  jumps
• 23:40
  in,
• 23:41
  Right,
• 23:41
  Because
• 23:41
  I
• 23:42
  definitely
• 23:42
  want
• 23:43
  to
• 23:43
  hear.
• 23:43
  Because
• 23:43
  Ruben
• 23:44
  is
• 23:44
  solutions
• 23:45
  based.
• 23:47
  That's
• 23:47
  his
• 23:47
  wiring.
• 23:48
  And
• 23:49
  he
• 23:49
  kept
• 23:49
  us
• 23:49
  focused
• 23:50
  there.
• 23:50
  I
• 23:50
  just
• 23:51
  wanted
• 23:51
  to
• 23:53
  kind
• 23:53
  of,
• 23:54
  kind
• 23:54
  of
• 23:54
  map
• 23:54
  back
• 23:55
  to
• 23:55
  what
• 23:55
  Michael
• 23:55
  talked
• 23:56
  about.
• 23:56
  Right,
• 23:58
  Michael.
• 23:58
  Because
• 23:59
  we
• 23:59
  knew
• 23:59
  that
• 23:59
  this
• 24:00
  would
• 24:00
  be
• 24:00
  a
• 24:00
  tall
• 24:00
  drink
• 24:01
  of
• 24:01
  water
• 24:01
  as
• 24:01
  a
• 24:01
  book.
• 24:02
  Okay.
• 24:04
  And
• 24:04
  we
• 24:05
  understand
• 24:06
  that
• 24:06
  there
• 24:06
  is
• 24:06
  fragility.
• 24:08
  Okay.
• 24:08
  And
• 24:09
  I
• 24:09
  don't
• 24:09
  use
• 24:09
  that
• 24:10
  term
• 24:10
  loosely.
• 24:11
  I'm
• 24:12
  very
• 24:14
  focused
• 24:14
  and
• 24:14
  targeted
• 24:15
  in
• 24:15
  using
• 24:16
  that
• 24:16
  term.
• 24:17
  We
• 24:18
  literally
• 24:18
  open
• 24:19
  our
• 24:19
  book
• 24:20
  very
• 24:20
  uniquely
• 24:22
  with
• 24:22
  testimonies
• 24:23
  from
• 24:24
  students
• 24:24
  that
• 24:24
  use
• 24:25
  the
• 24:25
  pre
• 24:25
  copy.
• 24:26
  So
• 24:26
  because
• 24:27
  we
• 24:27
  knew
• 24:27
  the
• 24:28
  power
• 24:29
  of
• 24:30
  the
• 24:30
  book,
• 24:34
  we
• 24:35
  had
• 24:35
  a
• 24:35
  pre
• 24:36
  launch.
• 24:36
  So
• 24:37
  we
• 24:37
  had
• 24:37
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• 24:37
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• 24:37
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• 24:38
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• 24:38
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• 24:38
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• 24:38
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• 24:39
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• 24:39
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• 24:40
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• 24:40
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• 24:41
  in
• 24:41
  educational
• 24:42
  spaces
• 24:43
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• 24:44
  get
• 24:44
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• 24:45
  from
• 24:46
  students
• 24:47
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• 24:47
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• 24:48
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• 24:48
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• 24:48
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• 24:49
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• 24:51
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• 24:52
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• 24:52
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• 24:53
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• 24:53
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• 24:53
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• 24:53
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• 24:54
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• 24:54
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• 24:54
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• 24:54
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• 24:55
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• 24:55
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• 24:55
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• 24:55
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• 24:57
  This
• 24:57
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• 24:58
  us
• 24:58
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• 24:58
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• 24:59
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• 24:59
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• 25:00
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• 25:00
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• 25:00
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• 25:01
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• 25:01
  the
• 25:01
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• 25:02
  of
• 25:02
  the
• 25:02
  book.
• 25:03
  And
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  the
• 25:03
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• 25:04
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• 25:04
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• 25:04
  book
• 25:04
  offers
• 25:05
  up
• 25:05
  a
• 25:05
  testimony
• 25:07
  from
• 25:08
  a
• 25:09
  white
• 25:09
  cisgender
• 25:10
  male
• 25:11
  who
• 25:11
  is
• 25:12
  a
• 25:12
  doc
• 25:13
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  he's
• 25:13
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• 25:13
  doc
• 25:14
  as
• 25:14
  well.
• 25:14
  So
• 25:15
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• 25:15
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• 25:15
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• 25:15
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• 25:16
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• 25:17
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• 25:17
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• 25:17
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• 25:17
  a
• 25:18
  doc
• 25:18
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• 25:19
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• 25:19
  doc.
• 25:20
  He's
• 25:21
  married
• 25:21
  58
• 25:22
  years,
• 25:23
  so
• 25:24
  in
• 25:24
  my
• 25:24
  class
• 25:25
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• 25:25
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• 25:25
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• 25:25
  his
• 25:26
  early
• 25:26
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• 25:27
  It
• 25:28
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• 25:28
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• 25:28
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• 25:28
  citizen
• 25:29
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• 25:30
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• 25:30
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• 25:30
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• 25:31
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• 25:31
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• 25:31
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• 25:32
  He
• 25:33
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• 25:33
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• 25:33
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• 25:34
  retired
• 25:34
  veteran,
• 25:35
  a
• 25:36
  lifelong
• 25:36
  educator,
• 25:37
  an
• 25:38
  author
• 25:38
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• 25:38
  a
• 25:38
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• 25:40
  And
• 25:40
  what
• 25:40
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• 25:40
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• 25:41
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• 25:41
  it
• 25:41
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• 25:41
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• 25:42
  great
• 25:42
  fortune
• 25:42
  to
• 25:43
  be
• 25:43
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• 25:43
  by
• 25:43
  loving
• 25:44
  parents
• 25:44
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• 25:44
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• 25:45
  me
• 25:45
  how
• 25:45
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• 25:46
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• 25:46
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• 25:47
  accept
• 25:47
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• 25:49
  And
• 25:49
  when
• 25:49
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• 25:49
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• 25:50
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• 25:50
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• 25:50
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• 25:51
  Michael,
• 25:52
  it
• 25:52
  resonated
• 25:53
  for
• 25:53
  me,
• 25:54
  which
• 25:54
  I
• 25:55
  did
• 25:55
  superficially.
• 25:57
  But
• 25:57
  the
• 25:58
  book
• 25:59
  Don't
• 25:59
  Dismiss
• 25:59
  My
• 26:00
  Story
• 26:01
  and
• 26:01
  the
• 26:01
  exercises
• 26:02
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• 26:03
  me
• 26:03
  to
• 26:03
  make
• 26:03
  a
• 26:04
  quantum
• 26:04
  leap
• 26:05
  in
• 26:06
  racial
• 26:06
  understanding
• 26:07
  and
• 26:08
  empathy.
• 26:10
  Specifically,
• 26:11
  the
• 26:11
  exercises
• 26:12
  arrived,
• 26:14
  designed
• 26:14
  around
• 26:15
  the
• 26:15
  concept
• 26:15
  of
• 26:15
  of
• 26:16
  colonizer
• 26:17
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• 26:17
  colonized
• 26:18
  jolted
• 26:18
  me.
• 26:19
  I
• 26:20
  had
• 26:20
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• 26:21
  My
• 26:21
  immediate
• 26:22
  response
• 26:22
  was
• 26:23
  I
• 26:24
  am
• 26:24
  not
• 26:24
  a
• 26:24
  colonizer.
• 26:25
  No
• 26:26
  way.
• 26:27
  But
• 26:27
  I
• 26:27
  was
• 26:28
  forced
• 26:28
  to
• 26:28
  reflect
• 26:29
  introspectively
• 26:31
  and
• 26:31
  discuss
• 26:32
  collectively
• 26:32
  these
• 26:33
  concepts
• 26:34
  because
• 26:35
  what
• 26:35
  he
• 26:35
  realized
• 26:36
  is
• 26:36
  his
• 26:37
  privilege
• 26:37
  was
• 26:38
  inherited.
• 26:39
  So
• 26:40
  we
• 26:40
  have
• 26:40
  these
• 26:41
  conversations
• 26:43
  as
• 26:44
  a
• 26:44
  result
• 26:45
  of
• 26:46
  engaging,
• 26:47
  softly
• 26:48
  engaging
• 26:49
  towards
• 26:51
  authentic
• 26:52
  and
• 26:52
  courageous
• 26:53
  dialogue.
• 26:59
  And
• 26:59
  that's
• 27:00
  a
• 27:00
  wrap
• 27:00
  of
• 27:00
  episode
• 27:01
  six
• 27:01
  in
• 27:02
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• 27:02
  season
• 27:02
  of
• 27:02
  the
• 27:02
  Wheelhouse.
• 27:03
  Don't
• 27:04
  miss
• 27:04
  the
• 27:04
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• 27:05
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• 27:05
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• 27:05
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• 27:05
  conversation
• 27:06
  next
• 27:06
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• 27:06
  when
• 27:07
  we
• 27:07
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• 27:07
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• 27:08
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• 27:08
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• 27:09
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• 27:09
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• 27:09
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• 27:09
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• 27:10
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• 27:10
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• 27:10
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• 27:11
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• 27:12
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• 27:13
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• 27:13
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• 27:14
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• 27:15
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• 27:15
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• 27:16
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• 27:29
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• 27:29
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• 27:30
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• 27:30
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• 27:31
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• 27:32
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• 27:32
  can
• 27:32
  we
• 27:33
  take
• 27:33
  toward
• 27:34
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• 27:34
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• 27:35
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• 27:36
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• 27:36
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• 27:36
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• 27:37
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• 27:37
  interrogate
• 27:38
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• 27:38
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• 27:39
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• 27:39
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• 27:40
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• 27:40
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• 27:41
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• 27:41
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• 27:41
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• 27:42
  dismissal
• 27:42
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• 27:43
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• 27:44
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  to
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• 27:45
  each
• 27:46
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• 27:46
  and
• 27:46
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• 27:47
  students
• 27:47
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• 27:48
  And
• 27:49
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• 27:49
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• 27:50
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• 27:50
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