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Terence Crawford defeats Canelo Alvarez · Boxing B-Sides

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  It's good that we've been going this long and
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  haven't really started yet, because I've been
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  capturing it all. Oh, it's fucking fantastic
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  conversation. All right, let's fucking do this.
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  Boxing B -sides meets boxing before dark. All
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  the boxing peeps are in the same place. Shanada.
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  It's a crossover. Yeah, you are the crossover
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  elite right now. How's it going over there in
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  JP? I am so fucking tired. I got home at 7 a
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  .m. And it is now 11 a .m. So. Japan. And then
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  we also got Saul, the one and only. Taul. Probox
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  good. Probox good. All right. Lester Martinez.
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  Gave a good account of himself. Good account.
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  I have thoughts about that fight. All right.
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  So do we just want to jump into the... Canelo
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  Crawford card, we'll just work our way to the
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  bottom. First, honorable mention to the shitty
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  matchroom card earlier that day. Molly McCann
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  switching over from MMA to boxing and still getting
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  kicked. That was really funny. Referee, out of
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  his mind, not there at all. Blatantly front kicked.
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  Fucking hand up his ass, I guess. I cannot believe
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  that's not a DQ for someone to throw a front
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  kick. That's fucking ridiculous. Molly McCann
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  didn't care. Of course she didn't care. She can
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  handle it. She just kept beating the shit out
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  of her. Yep. Yep. Normal day in the beautiful
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  UK, I guess. Alright. Oh, it was a UK card. It
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  was. Nick Ball kicks people too, so it must be
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  a UK thing. Anyways, no one cares about that
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  card. I care about it. Can you give me admin
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  terms? We'll get back to it the next time we
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  sit down. So, I wanted to start on the Canelo
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  Crawford card, Marco Verde. Man, what's his name?
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  I wrote down the wrong one. Akale. Akale. I forgot
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  his name. So, he was pretty upset that the fight
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  was stopped. Oh, this stoppage was horrific.
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  You think so? I agree. I'm not one of those boxing
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  fans where the fighters have to die every time
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  for it to be a stoppage. like it's not it's not
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  the amateurs like you don't like you don't stop
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  it at the slightest wobble you see if he's actually
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  hurt judging by how he's defending himself and
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  then you step in you don't just watch him barely
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  wobble after getting hit like slightly through
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  your guard like this stoppage was really bad
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  granted it was going in that direction but this
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  stoppage is really bad i agree i think that um
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  I wouldn't say it's probably one of the worst
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  ones I've seen. Obviously, I think it still goes
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  to Milt Taylor and Chavez. Really? Yeah. You
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  guys don't agree with that? Continue with this
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  one. Continue with this one before we get sidetracked.
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  Yeah, you're right. We'll talk about that another
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  day. But either way, it was a bad stoppage, I
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  feel. That was way too early. Again, he was getting
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  hurt. There's no doubt about it. He was going
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  to lose the fight. But they just stopped it.
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  I believe they stopped it just to keep padding
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  the record of Marco Verde. Which I understand,
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  but, you know. I thought that it was going in
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  that direction, and it wasn't necessarily that
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  he was hurt in that moment, but it was just that
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  he was not adequately defending himself over
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  the course of, what, four rounds? Three and a
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  half rounds? He wasn't adequately defending himself,
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  is what my thinking is what the ref was thinking.
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  I know we've done the devil's advocate. It was
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  just a bad stoppage, but there's not much else
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  to it. Yeah, it was a little early. I don't want
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  to scream corruption or whatever. It's just one
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  of those value judgments because the ref is there
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  and you're not. Whatever. It is what it is, unfortunately.
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  Like for the case of Akali. It was a shutout
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  to that point. Akali was never going to win that
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  shit. Save him from a little bit of extra punishment.
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  As much as he's not going to like it. Of course
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  he's not going to like it. He's a professional
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  fucking boxer. He's not going to like it. But
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  that's what you're there for, ref. One thing
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  I will say is that Akali kind of did give him
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  a good fight. He did. Yeah, I got to give him
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  props. He He was duking it out. Yeah, it was
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  a good scrap. He made it scrappy. Yeah, he made
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  it scrappy. It was fun. It was a good fight,
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  but ended in a horrible card. Yes. Oh, moving
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  up. Sultan Al -Muhammad versus Martin Caraballo.
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  Sorry, they apparently don't do double L's in
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  Miami. Yeah, it was a one -way beating. Like,
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  pretty much from the onset. It was not very interesting.
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  No. I found this more interesting than the Muhammad
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  Al -Aqal. Oh, yeah. Like, I would have rather
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  had this. I would rather have, if you're going
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  to give me a Saudi plant, I would have taken
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  Sultan Al -Muhammad over Muhammad Al -Aqal. No,
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  I will say that was a really good fight to open
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  the card. It's funny, though. A lot of the openers
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  were better than some of the main fights on the
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  card. I'm not naming names. Callum Walsh should
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  not have been so high up. Callum Walsh should
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  have... I got words to say once we get there.
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  But they should be pushing this kid, Sultan,
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  a lot more than Alakel. Alakel is... We'll get
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  to it right now. He was boring as fuck. Pill
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  -fisted. But we'll get to it right now. Stolten
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  is fun, at least. He was a fun fighter. Yeah.
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  Moving up, Reito Tsutsumi gets the stoppage and
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  won over Javier Martinez. Is there a lot to take
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  away from a one -round stoppage? Reito's the
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  better brother, for sure. I've been saying it
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  the whole time, but he's definitely the better
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  brother. That was a pretty fucking... That was
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  a pretty good knockout. Another Saudi plant.
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  Sutsumi. To an extent, yeah. He's a step removed
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  from Sultan Al -Muhammad or Al -Aqal. He's like
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  a step cousin. Yeah, he's still a plant though.
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  Yeah. Not like Caleb though. It makes me want
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  to... It makes my opinion of you start in a negative
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  place. Whereas it would be neutral any other
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  way. Raico Santana stopped Steven Nelson. This
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  felt like a bad stoppage. Another one that happened
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  a little bit too soon. I don't know. What do
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  you guys think? I don't know why they stopped
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  it that early, dude. He wasn't hurt. He wasn't
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  damaged at all. He was caught in a bad position.
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  That's really what it was. I mean, I've seen
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  rescue fighters that are fucking out on their
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  knees, out on their feet. That's what I mean.
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  I don't know. Just a weird night. Just a very
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  weird couple stoppages. Yeah, this one felt like
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  it should have been an eight count. and even
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  then like like you have to i get i get the whole
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  like you have to protect them from themselves
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  but also like it's professional boxing on like
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  like you need to you need to give them a little
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  bit of leeway to bounce back and recover because
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  some some fight some fighters can get like shattered
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  easy and recover like it's nothing like They
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  look like they're on skates the entire fucking
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  fight, but they keep recovering quickly, so you
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  can't, like, you can't judge it by a first look.
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  Especially in a ten -rounder. A four -rounder,
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  whatever. Right? Ten -rounder? No. No. Unacceptable.
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  Yeah. I was gonna say, like, for a ten -round
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  guy, you're not giving him a ten -round guy's,
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  like, giving him enough rope. for him to hit.
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  He should be hanging himself with it. You shouldn't
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  be stringing him up. Honestly, like, Steven Nelson's
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  off the butt Pacheco, you know? Obviously, Pacheco's
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  not the greatest, but he's taking harder shots.
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  You know? He didn't look hurt. He was just buzzed
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  a little bit, you know? Bad stoppage. This was
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  the Cuban that had Team Mexico on his hat. I
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  thought that was funny. Yeah. Ironic. Yeah, I'm
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  sure he's a... He's a Reynoso guy. That's probably
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  what it is, but... Because, like, Stephen Nelson
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  is a BOMAC guy, right? BOMAC guy, yeah. So they
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  have their guys, like, up and down the bill.
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  Except for the Saudi plants. But moving up, Jermaine
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  Franklin, UD over Ivan Ditchko. Which of you
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  two was it that was really going hard for Jermaine
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  Franklin? Me? I'm 100 % right. I was wrong. Ditchko
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  was not ready, and Jermaine Franklin, again,
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  he showed up ready for the occasion. And voila,
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  he actually... Did it. He just did it. Franklin
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  is always ready. Like, he stays in shape. Like,
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  Franklin... Shape is a broad term. He stays in
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  his version of shape. He's a professional who's
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  ready to get off the couch to fight. And you
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  know what? Like, Ditchco, 35, never really fought.
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  Danny won with a winning record. Or, like, with
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  a good record. and like it wasn't he wasn't gonna
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  be the guy to step up at 35 to beat jermaine
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  franklin like have you ever seen it's this it's
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  it's a meme but it's like about amazon reviews
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  it says like uh 5 .0 on 35 reviews It's the Drake
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  one. Or, like, a 4 .5 with, like, 30 ,000 reviews.
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  Yeah. Exactly. Like, that's what Drake Franklin
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  is. He's that 4 .5. Yeah. Well, that's crazy.
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  No, no, he's not 4 .5, guys. He's, like, 3. And
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  heavyweight? Like, he's, like, again, like, I'm
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  not saying, like, there's guys who don't beat
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  him at heavyweight, and he's, like, only beatable
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  by the top, but I'm saying, like, you have to
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  be a special guy to not be given problems. Like,
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  I think there's like... Yeah, no. You're right.
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  Like, he does give guys issues consistently.
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  He's a quality veteran. He's a good... Good gatekeeper.
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  Like, he tests you. He's a very... You know what?
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  I might want to see him fight Atalma. I think
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  Fabio... I think him... I think him... I think
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  Jermaine Franklin and Fabio Wardley is a much...
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  more fun little encounter instead of the potential
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  spoiler that he might be for Atama. I would love
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  to see Franklin beat Atama. That would be crazy.
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  That's what I mean. Dude, I just put an article
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  in the publish thing. Am I getting hyped for
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  Heavyweight? For Atama. Yeah, but I was right.
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  It's my point here. Daichiko was not good. And
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  Franklin is. Yeah, exactly what you just said.
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  Albeit, not the most exciting fight until near
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  the end. It's just because Franklin doesn't really
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  have power. He's a very volume guy. Yeah, he
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  was just loading up. He was just loading up.
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  He's a very solid boxer. It's just like, if he
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  just had a little more power... He would be a
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  problem. He would be such an issue. Because,
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  like, the success, though, like, he boxes great.
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  It's just the power that, like, why didn't AJ
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  had their success when they didn't respect him?
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  Yeah. Because otherwise, he pieces you up pretty
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  good. It's just the power on Franklin that really
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  costs him, which is why he's a great, like, solid
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  veteran for a lot of prospects. Because, like.
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  It's basically an IQ test. Like on risk... Yeah,
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  because Jermaine Franklin isn't a power threat.
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  He's an IQ threat. Yeah, like he's very much
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  tested your risk tolerance because if you're
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  a prospect who's bound to get knocked out, then
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  you're going to respect Jermaine Franklin. But,
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  like, it's a big IQ and risk tolerance test,
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  which is good. There's not much at heavyweight.
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  At heavyweight, it's either, like, you basically
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  fight, like, fat construction workers until you
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  get to world level where, like, oh, shit, everyone
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  can hit and everyone can box. So having guys
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  like Franklin in the mix are great, especially
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  for a budding prospect. Yeah. Is Franklin the
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  new Chisora? No. The American Chisora? He's much
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  better at boxing than Chizora was. I guess. Chizora
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  was a good test, though. I don't think he'll
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  ever get the chances Chizora did, though. True.
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  Oh, hell no. Absolutely not. Chizora has got
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  to be skill, record, and pain ratio. The only
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  person who beats him is Kambosis. like no because
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  like chisora like chisora has longevity there
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  too like every time every time you're like finally
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  he's gone he's lost so many times you're like
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  what the is he doing winning again like when
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  he knocked out takum and came back i'm like oh
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  my god another like another eight years of this
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  the same literally he'll like he'll win he'll
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  win like one or two and then he'll lose four
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  in a row and then like but it's just been it's
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  a cycle but you know what he's still around and
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  somehow he's the ibf mandatory which is hilarious
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  he's sniffing a title shot with that ibf again
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  yeah which is crazy put this guy out of his misery
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  holy fuck have you heard um you've heard maybe
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  you have maybe you haven't but it's a cheeky
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  nando's with the lads oh fuck cheeky cheeky mandos
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  with Eddie Hearn and the IBF. Oh, my God. Maybe
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  we're not doing Eddie Hearn because Chisora's...
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  I don't even blame Eddie Hearn for that. The
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  IBF has a clear set of rules. If you play their
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  game, you're going to get the title shot. It
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  doesn't... Cheeky Mando. It doesn't matter how
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  good or bad you are. If you play the game, you
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  get in line, you beat the guy in front of you,
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  you're there. A lot of A -side talent doesn't
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  want to go through that, so you end up with a
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  lot of not A -listers that end up getting their
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  titles out by following the rules. God damn it,
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  do they not grind their teeth just the same?
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  Just thought I'd throw that out there. They grind
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  just like everyone else. Just, just, ugh. Oh,
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  well. Who's next? Can we please talk about Mbili?
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  We're close. We're almost there. Brandon Adams,
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  UD over Sergei Bohachov. Oh, yes. Oh. Special
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  guest. Brandon Adams is the fucking, he's the
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  foil. He's Bohachov's kryptonite. For the record,
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  I got this one right as well. I said that this
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  was an easy way to get rid of Boa Chuck because
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  Brandon Adams is a lot more beatable for all
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  of the talent that Turkey has in his sphere of
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  influence at 154. I said this. I said I called
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  it. I said that Boa Chuck is better than Brandon
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  Adams. Brandon Adams is just that, like, has
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  his number. So the thing is that with this loss,
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  you go, oh. here's the guy who's better than
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  boa chuck and then basically only virgil gets
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  over with the like bad looking win here and like
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  you're gonna ever everyone at 154 basically gets
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  the feast on brandon adams and be like look this
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  is a better this win is better than virgil's
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  against boa chuck Oh, shit. Yeah, Brandon Adams
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  versus Madrimov. Sign it. Yeah, like, that's
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  what I mean. Like, for sure, Boots is going to
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  fight Brandon Adams next year. And it's going
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  to be, and half the marketing after Boots wipes
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  the floor with him is, look at this. This is
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  the guy who beat Boa Chuck, who gave Virgil hell.
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  I would say that me and Isaac can go to hell
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  right now. We're going to go to bad shit. Dude,
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  I was right there too. I thought that Boho Chuck
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  was going to get his back and he was going to
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  get his back just emphatically. No. No. Sometimes
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  a guy just has your number. The issue is when
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  the promoter knows that a guy has your number.
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  There's no problem with a guy having your number.
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  that's just how sports are like you could fight
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  20 times against brandon adams and you could
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  maybe win one it's just how yeah the issue how
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  it is he's just the issue he got you yeah the
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  issue is your promoter knows that and it's now
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  gonna you and case in point do not like the boa
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  chuck has got the boa chuck's pro you're probably
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  the next time you'll see boa chuck if uh like
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  is either if A guy at 154 actively calls him
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  out or is an IBF mandatory? Oh, no. He might
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  be gone for a while now. He might be a cheeky
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  Mando in a few years. That's the whole play.
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  Boa Chuck is probably pro -box bound. Boa Chuck
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  would do well on pro -box, actually. Oh, absolutely.
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  Going up the IBF route on pro -box is perfect.
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  Like, you can see, like, it worked out perfectly.
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  They now have a perfect B -side opponent at 154
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  that everyone has now watched, who is ostensibly
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  worse than Boachuk, but looks better for promotion.
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  So, there we go. I was two for two on these.
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  Yeah. I just noticed. Nathan, how you doing?
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  What up, fellas? Welcome to the pod, buddy. Welcome.
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  It goes good. We saw the good guys win on Saturday,
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  despite all the odds. The good guys being Inouye,
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  right? Yeah. Inouye and Crawford, 100%. Yeah,
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  Inouye. Yeah, that's it. And Jermaine Franklin.
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  And Jermaine Franklin. And Brandon Adams. Brandon
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  Adams is not the good guy here. Oh, no, he's
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  not. I thought he was going to be a good feeder.
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  I'm pro Boa Chucks thing in the mix. I'm actually,
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  like, the prediction was a cynical one. I respect
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  that. That was a cynical prediction, but I ride
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  for Boa Chuck here because he's fun as fuck to
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  watch and he's good. He's an actual good boxer.
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  He's tough as hell. Those body shots looked painful.
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  That's what I mean. I am the biggest Boots Glazer
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  alive because I think Boots, when he faces a
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  quality opponent... who, like, actually requires
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  him to use his defense and, like, box like a
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  normal human being, oh, my God. You're going
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  to see what makes him great. And I think Boa
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  Chuck would have been perfect. I think Boa Chuck
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  would have been perfect to get that out of Boots.
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  Well, basically, what happened with Stannionis
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  was what happened to Boots, what happened with
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  Boa Chuck. Yeah, I was about to say, like, Stannionis
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  is the blueprint for what would happen to Boa
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  Chuck. Oh, yeah. that's what I mean like boots
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  like boots performances are so inconsistent just
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  cuz like Like he knows he the bad part about
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  him having a chin as he so knows it So he doesn't
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  give a fuck about like guys who are not even
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  close to his level or aren't a threat to him
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  That's why I'm saying nobody seriously like dude
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  like who cares. He knows you can't get hit or
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  just like dude Well, it's boxing you go to get
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  here, but the team belong to say you're gonna
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  get hit Well, Berlanga's going to get hit by
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  anyone, dude. Like, come on. They're scoring
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  points. They're scoring points. I know. No matter
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  how tippy -tap it is. Like, the reason why I
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  prop up Boots Crawford as anywhere near competitive
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  is because it's not because I'm trying to downplay
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  Crawford. It's because I believe in Boots that
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  much. We're like, oh, my God. They will give
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  us fireworks down the stretch. i think that would
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  be a purist sort of wet dream like they both
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  like they both have that mean streak and that
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  dog and the dynamicism to really just like it's
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  not it's not so much crawford hate as it is like
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  boots i have belief in boots and like i hope
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  i hope i hope the god that like even though he
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  signed with matchroom like we get some fun food
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  stuff Yeah, it's, like, it's really not even
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  his fault, but, like, he is extremely avoided
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  as a fighter and for, like, obvious reasons,
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  right? The reason that he and Crawford can even
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  be in the same sentence is his skills are legit.
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  So, like, he had to fight. I can't even remember
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  the guy's name. He had to fight some dude that,
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  like, he 12 -0'd in his first fight. He had to
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  rematch him right away because there was literally
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  no one else for him to fight. Oh, he had to grind
• 25:02
  his teeth on Showbox to even get a spot on a
• 25:05
  Showtime undercard. It was the Karen Chakudzian
• 25:11
  bat guy. Yeah. I've talked about this before.
• 25:16
  Karen is such a negative fighter. It puts Boots
• 25:19
  in a bad light. But also, I don't think there
• 25:22
  was a single moment where Boots wasn't in complete
• 25:25
  control. But it was a matter of... there being
• 25:30
  whispers that maybe Boots didn't do as good as
• 25:34
  you think he did. Yeah, styles make fights is
• 25:37
  all. Yeah, that's exactly what it comes down
• 25:40
  to. Let's move up. Mohamed Alakel versus Travis
• 25:44
  Crawford. Alakel gets a UD. Don't have a whole
• 25:48
  lot to say on this one. This was boring as shit.
• 25:52
  I feel like they chose that opponent on purpose
• 25:54
  just because of the name. I thought that had
• 25:59
  something to do with it. It's got to have something
• 26:02
  to do with it. That's fucking too much. Travis
• 26:05
  Crawford, Terrence Crawford. Like, come on. But
• 26:11
  something that was worth watching. Christian
• 26:14
  and Bealy split draw with Lester Martinez. This
• 26:20
  is the first time I have seen nobody complain
• 26:24
  about a draw. Nobody in SP was mad. My complaint
• 26:28
  about the draw was not about the scoring itself.
• 26:32
  It was about Mbili's performance. What was your
• 26:36
  complaint with his performance? Mbili does not
• 26:39
  have more than the single gear that he fights
• 26:42
  in. No, Mbili's not that good. No, I know. Like,
• 26:46
  really. No, the thing is that the way he's coached,
• 26:52
  like... I live in Canada. I'm somewhat in the
• 26:57
  know for Canadian boxing and everything. The
• 27:00
  coaches he has are not bad coaches. It is not
• 27:03
  his trainer. Fuck, you saw the corner work. The
• 27:07
  translation wasn't great, but those who speak
• 27:10
  French, they're trying to get him to set traps
• 27:14
  and set up his attacks instead of just going
• 27:18
  right into his chest and smothering his work.
• 27:22
  If Mbili fought that fight not with a jab and
• 27:26
  fought it maybe even 5 % smarter, it's probably
• 27:30
  10 -0 Mbili. And credit to Lester Martinez for
• 27:33
  hanging in there and fighting his fight. But
• 27:36
  god, Mbili really fights like an idiot. Because
• 27:39
  it isn't that he doesn't have more than the one
• 27:42
  gear. He just fights in the one gear for whatever
• 27:44
  reason. He's comfortable there. He doesn't like
• 27:47
  leaving his comfort zone. Like, he gets, like,
• 27:52
  mincemeat made out of him by, like, top guys
• 27:55
  at 168. Because, like, even, like, Caleb Plant,
• 27:58
  before Caleb Plant was washed up, like, yeah,
• 28:00
  Caleb Plant gasses in the later rounds, but that's
• 28:03
  only when you force him to fight out of his comfort
• 28:05
  area. Caleb Plant could stay in, probably, second
• 28:09
  gear in the whole fight with a guy like Imbili.
• 28:13
  Benavidez beats the fuck out of him. Even guys
• 28:16
  like, like you say, Pacheco. Pacheco? It's not
• 28:21
  his coaching. It's not his fitness. He chooses
• 28:24
  to fight with a very low IQ. And you can see
• 28:29
  just by the draw. And it was perfect, though.
• 28:34
  This was fight of the year for me so far. Really?
• 28:38
  Yeah, it was fucking great. Did you not like
• 28:41
  it? It was a great fight. Fight of the year so
• 28:44
  far? Yeah, who beats it? I don't know. I personally
• 28:51
  think that fucking... I don't know. Was Virgil
• 28:57
  Boach up this year? No. No, it was last year.
• 29:00
  Okay. I didn't know he got there last, too, on
• 29:04
  my short list. This was more fun. I know. This
• 29:09
  was more fun. It was a lot of fun. My thing is,
• 29:12
  it's only because it was a 10 -round fight, too,
• 29:14
  which I would have loved. two more rounds. That's
• 29:18
  true. That was a weird marketing thing they did
• 29:22
  for Netflix. Netflix demanded that the main event
• 29:26
  was the only 12 round fight is what I heard.
• 29:28
  To make it special. But they didn't fucking make
• 29:32
  sense. They should have made the main 15 rounds
• 29:36
  so we could have seen Canelo cry even more. It's
• 29:40
  fucked up. All right. So our fight of the year.
• 29:44
  Crawford could have done another 12, dog. Our
• 29:47
  fight of the year. Our fight of the year of the
• 29:48
  week. We'll talk about it right now. I had, let's
• 29:53
  see here. Fight of the year. B -Bowl better be
• 29:58
  if. Isak Cruz versus Angel Fierro. Really? You
• 30:03
  had Eubank Ben. Taraji versus Akui. That's a
• 30:07
  good show. You know, Paul, that's a good show.
• 30:14
  Saul, you had Inouye Cardenas and Benavidez Morel.
• 30:19
  Yeah, that. And recently, I also wanted to put
• 30:22
  in there Boyo Matias. That's a good one. That
• 30:27
  was a good one. That's a good show. And then
• 30:29
  Morel Katiev on the same card. That's crazy,
• 30:33
  but those two had to be added. Josh, you got
• 30:35
  Cruz Fierro as well and Smith Boazzi. I think
• 30:41
  this was better than all of those. Yeah. The
• 30:45
  thing is, if it went two rounds, I think I just
• 30:47
  would have give it to it. I would give it to
• 30:49
  it. Because, like, seeing the championship rounds
• 30:52
  of that fight would have been fire. Yeah, there's
• 30:55
  something different about, like, having championship
• 30:56
  rounds. You know? That's why I'm like, I know,
• 30:59
  it is one of my top fights of the year. That's
• 31:02
  why, it's like on the same level as Katya Morel.
• 31:04
  Because, again, they're both 10 rounds. If they
• 31:07
  went two more rounds, both of them, you know.
• 31:09
  Who knows what could happen. Different ending,
• 31:11
  perhaps. Yeah. I think we need a rematch on this
• 31:15
  one, though. I would watch that again. Listen,
• 31:18
  man. If Billy ever listened to his damn fucking
• 31:23
  coaches, like, this is, like, the rematch is
• 31:26
  uninteresting. But also, Lester Martinez... He's
• 31:29
  not going to. He's not going to, and Lester Martinez
• 31:31
  got better throughout the fight at timing in
• 31:35
  Billy and setting traps. Which is very interesting.
• 31:39
  Someone did listen to their coach and it wasn't
• 31:42
  Mbili. Lester's been looking really good on Probox.
• 31:47
  Like, I was excited for this one. Like I said,
• 31:51
  like I said, don't sleep. Like we were talking
• 31:52
  about not sleeping on Lester Martinez last week.
• 31:56
  But, like, the way he improved through the fight,
• 32:01
  because, like, I saw a comment on SP that was
• 32:04
  really funny, calling him, like, the Latin American
• 32:07
  Dave Allen with the fuck -ass Philly shell that
• 32:11
  he uses. Because that Philly shell, that is a
• 32:14
  street beef scrapyard Philly shell. That's not
• 32:20
  good. It's not good. But his offense, the way
• 32:24
  it flourished through the fight is he listened
• 32:26
  to his coach and got more confidence. I like
• 32:31
  it. I like it. Basically, if they pick up where
• 32:37
  they left off, but Martinez has some more gas
• 32:40
  from not wearing all those shots for the prior
• 32:43
  10 rounds, I think Martinez can actually win
• 32:46
  pretty handily. I got a question for y 'all.
• 32:50
  What would you guys rate Lester Martinez's performance
• 32:52
  compared to Mbili? Just rate both their performances
• 32:55
  for this fight. What do you guys think? On a
• 32:59
  scale of 10? Yeah. I would say Mbili 6 or 7.
• 33:07
  Martinez 7 or 8. Mbili gets like a 5 or 6 and
• 33:14
  then Martinez a nice 8. Like, I just... Like,
• 33:18
  it's not, like, the IQ issue, whatever. Fighters
• 33:22
  can have bad IQs, but, like, at least listen
• 33:24
  to the guy screaming in your face day in, day
• 33:26
  out when he tells you, please use your jab before
• 33:29
  you wing hooks at him. Being coachable is a huge
• 33:35
  thing. Like, when he's screaming at you in French,
• 33:38
  your fucking language, because his coach is an
• 33:40
  Anglophone. And he learned French just to scream
• 33:45
  at you. Yeah, like, some of these Canadian coaches,
• 33:48
  like, yeah, they're based in Quebec. They're
• 33:50
  fucking Anglophones. Like, when you see them
• 33:53
  at the amateur events, they're Anglophones. You
• 33:56
  can just tell. And they're screaming at you,
• 33:58
  and, like, please, please, like, you don't even
• 34:01
  have to do the more complicated things, where,
• 34:03
  like, yeah, step to the side, wing, like, no.
• 34:06
  They're telling you, jab your way in, which is,
• 34:09
  like, a basic fundamental of this damn sport.
• 34:14
  Don't smother your work. It's a fundamental of
• 34:17
  this sport. So, like, do it. Just do it. It's
• 34:21
  also because, I mean, Lester's also with BOMAC.
• 34:23
  We all know how we feel about BOMAC, you know?
• 34:28
  BOMAC didn't even fit in the ring. That was between
• 34:32
  rounds. We'll put BOMAC in there with Rick Lazor
• 34:38
  and fucking old school Mike Collinger and Dan
• 34:42
  Raphael. Collapses the ring, bro. We'll take
• 34:46
  him to heart attack, bro. Now that's the fight
• 34:51
  of the century. Who finishes an octuple bypass?
• 34:56
  Butterbean. So I got a question for you guys.
• 34:59
  Because we were talking about this being a 10
• 35:02
  rounder instead of a 12. I thought, and this
• 35:06
  is what I, just me being too a little optimistic,
• 35:11
  I was thinking, It got moved down to a 10 -rounder
• 35:15
  because the interim title is not a real title.
• 35:18
  This doesn't get championship rounds. Oh, that's
• 35:22
  a base take. That's pretty basic. They have 12
• 35:29
  -round fights for bullshit titles all the time.
• 35:32
  That's what I was thinking. As I was formulating
• 35:36
  that thought, I was thinking, what they do 12
• 35:38
  -rounders for garbage all the time. The fucking
• 35:42
  Oriental Pacific was always 12 rounds until people
• 35:45
  started dying. Yeah. I think I had a take at
• 35:52
  one point about how it's just the sparring culture
• 35:54
  more than the fighting culture. Yes. I think
• 35:58
  the JBC doesn't do very good medicals or take
• 36:02
  it serious. But that in conjunction with how
• 36:07
  macho the sparring culture is? Yeah. It's a bad
• 36:12
  combination. It's the recipe. Because the thing
• 36:15
  is that negligent commissions, like the UK's
• 36:18
  commission, doesn't give a fuck about anything
• 36:20
  half the time. But the sparring culture is relaxed
• 36:23
  enough where you don't see the consequences.
• 36:27
  Yeah. And that ends up being my take on the JBC's
• 36:33
  issues. Shall we continue? I want to see one
• 36:39
  more thing. about this fight I think that from
• 36:44
  watching this fight I know when we were on the
• 36:47
  pod last time I talked about how Christian and
• 36:50
  Billy and Les Martinez both fucking hell of a
• 36:55
  fucking hit you know I think this fight kind
• 36:58
  of proved to me that they both also have pretty
• 37:01
  strong chins I was watching I was like damn how
• 37:05
  are these guys how are these guys still standing
• 37:07
  you know part of that is smothering each other's
• 37:11
  work but also like the one the one thing i don't
• 37:16
  give him really much credit for this because
• 37:18
  he smothered a lot of both of their work but
• 37:21
  the thing that less the thing that lester give
• 37:23
  credit to lester's philly show is that he sees
• 37:28
  every shot coming yeah sure he's gonna get clocked
• 37:31
  by it but again most of the shots that like really
• 37:35
  get you and you're gonna see in the main Like,
• 37:38
  the shots that really shook Canelo are the ones
• 37:40
  that, like, he had no idea were even coming.
• 37:43
  It came out from fucking Texas, from Miami. They
• 37:46
  came from nowhere. So the way, like, Lester,
• 37:48
  yeah, Lester's open to getting hit by anything,
• 37:50
  but it means he can see anything. Which is, like,
• 37:55
  that. Relying on your chin is not a good plan.
• 37:59
  Oh, absolutely not. I fucking love it. Lester's
• 38:06
  performance. Was just beautiful, man. That kid's
• 38:10
  special, man. That kid's special. By the end
• 38:13
  of the fight, he was getting hit way less. Like,
• 38:16
  that's the thing. I saw this kid improve throughout
• 38:18
  the fight. And I think that's the thing that
• 38:20
  a lot of people are going to miss. A lot of people
• 38:22
  are going to harp on, oh, Mbili won too many
• 38:24
  of the early rounds and he shaded this one. So
• 38:27
  Mbili can totally just come back and win it.
• 38:29
  But, like, Lester improved so much throughout
• 38:32
  the fight that I think giving him a fresh gas
• 38:36
  tank and the... rather obvious assumption that
• 38:39
  Mbili is just not going to make any tactical
• 38:40
  improvements. Like, it's there. It's there to
• 38:44
  be won. Well, I'll tell you this. The reason
• 38:47
  why I'm saying that Lester's special is exactly
• 38:49
  why, for the reason you said, is that he is able
• 38:52
  to adjust. The ability to adjust is so... It's
• 38:55
  not talked about enough with fighters, you know?
• 38:59
  The fact that Lester Martinez was able to adjust
• 39:02
  and, you know... Oh, absolutely. It's shit out
• 39:06
  of Mbili. And you know what? Yes, his trainer
• 39:09
  is Bomax, but as we just saw, it's coachability.
• 39:12
  As Shanada just said, it's coachability that
• 39:15
  makes all the difference here. Because it's not
• 39:17
  like... That's why Pacquiao was great. He listened
• 39:21
  to every fucking word that he was told. Oh, absolutely.
• 39:29
  I don't know. It's like, that is my opinion.
• 39:32
  Truly my opinion. But we are... So far in the
• 39:37
  weeds, we need to get back. I was about to say,
• 39:40
  that opinion is going to end up quite a bit on
• 39:43
  Patreon. This is why we don't pair me and Josh.
• 39:50
  It's good. It's good content. All right, let's
• 39:54
  move up. Callum Walsh for Fernando Vargas. UD
• 39:59
  for Walsh in what was a very unexciting co -main
• 40:03
  event. This was ass. This was the perfect time
• 40:07
  to go get a new refresher drink, get some food,
• 40:11
  go to the bathroom. Whatever the case was, this
• 40:16
  was the time to do it. This fight was ass. I
• 40:21
  went to go make myself food and eat, and I fucking
• 40:27
  went back. I was like, who's winning? This fight
• 40:29
  was so bad, I'm not going to talk about it. I'm
• 40:31
  going to talk about how Max Kellerman needs to
• 40:35
  be, like, taken out back like old Yeller. I fucking
• 40:40
  hate Max Kellerman. Like, this is brutal. This
• 40:42
  card was terrible. Yeah, it's hard to watch because,
• 40:45
  I mean, we wanted him back and he became a Saudi
• 40:47
  player, you know? Nobody wanted him back. He's
• 40:51
  always been shit. What? What are you talking
• 40:56
  about? See, the thing is, I used to like Max
• 41:00
  Kellerman. The metaphor I'd use to describe him,
• 41:04
  he's like a bell. It depends on who's next to
• 41:07
  him, who's ringing him, what comes out as good
• 41:09
  or garbage noise. So if he's paired with good
• 41:13
  commentators in the past on Showtime or HBO,
• 41:17
  I never liked him. if he was like when he when
• 41:20
  he was on showbox with like adner mares it's
• 41:23
  terrible that's the thing like it really depends
• 41:26
  on who he's paired with but nowadays like in
• 41:29
  the post like in the tur in this era where like
• 41:32
  you can tell he basically just needs a job and
• 41:36
  will do whatever it takes to keep it and he's
• 41:39
  just gonna keep his mouth out of like around
• 41:41
  whoever pays him dick it's not like you know
• 41:46
  I think, again, I posted in the Hall of Fame
• 41:49
  because it took me out with how abrupt it was.
• 41:54
  Someone on the SP Discord said, Butler killed
• 41:59
  the wrong brother. Oh, my God. With how bad he
• 42:03
  was. did you read it it was so it took it was
• 42:12
  out of my field that i remember seeing that and
• 42:15
  i thought oh my god that is oh my god for all
• 42:23
  for all intents and purposes i do not condone
• 42:25
  that i don't condone the comment but it's like
• 42:28
  that's the that's the level of frustration that
• 42:30
  i'm only displaying the comment To illustrate
• 42:34
  the frustration that having commentary this bad
• 42:38
  on a fight this bad on an event this big really
• 42:42
  does to, like, the whole presentation. One thing
• 42:46
  I will say about the commentary itself is just,
• 42:49
  it was even Max Kellerman, dude. It was, like,
• 42:51
  John Anik does not fucking belong in this. Yeah.
• 42:54
  Like, he belongs in UFC. Andre Ward is trying.
• 42:57
  It's like, it's like, it's like, you know what
• 42:59
  Johnny Anik reminded me of? Is the fucking people
• 43:02
  in the chat. okay oh with it laying a job like
• 43:05
  bro it's not that serious has there been any
• 43:10
  reasonable has there been any reasonable explanation
• 43:14
  as to why like the ufc's top brass was so involved
• 43:18
  with this like whole card like why is anarchy
• 43:20
  turkey on tab because turkey likes him like is
• 43:25
  that literally it it's part of it they're trying
• 43:28
  to take over the sport and like basically I like,
• 43:32
  I see, I see the, not the vision in that I support
• 43:36
  it, but I see the vision of like, you make it
• 43:39
  a real, Oh, you can go to TKO or Riaj season.
• 43:42
  And it's like the illusion of choice, basically
• 43:44
  the way they're trying to take over the sport
• 43:46
  because like, it's the same shit. It's the same
• 43:50
  shit, but all you and all by, by introducing
• 43:53
  a new promoter that you bankroll, you just, the
• 43:56
  whole point is that you take updates. you take
• 43:58
  updates and you really just try and take away
• 44:00
  the market from other promoters and take out
• 44:03
  fighters too sometimes yeah like that's the whole
• 44:06
  thing because like if a guy like uh like like
• 44:10
  oh he can't really get dates with top rank but
• 44:12
  like he doesn't he doesn't want to jump ship
• 44:14
  to uh tko and like oh riyadh season is there
• 44:17
  or vice versa like it's very much talking about
• 44:21
  another tv deal Like, there's people in this
• 44:25
  world who still sign with Don King in 2025. Which
• 44:29
  is fucking crazy. It's not unreasonable to think
• 44:34
  that people will fall for this. Yeah. Because,
• 44:38
  again, there are people who sign with Don King
• 44:40
  in the year of our Lord 2025 so he can keep putting
• 44:43
  on shows in Baltimore rec halls. One thing I
• 44:48
  will say about fucking the whole production itself
• 44:50
  is ass. Besides the arena, the arena looked nice,
• 44:53
  but just the commentary, the fucking camera work.
• 44:59
  Sometimes even the camera quality. I was like,
• 45:01
  damn, is this how it's really going to be? They
• 45:03
  called it the fight of the century. This is how
• 45:04
  they're treating it. It feels like it was thrown
• 45:07
  together in a couple of days. I've seen better
• 45:10
  shit on Probox. Way better shit on Probox. This
• 45:12
  is sort of the Canelo classic. I don't know if
• 45:16
  there's been a single card of his that's felt.
• 45:18
  big outside of him, right? Like it almost feels
• 45:21
  like the UFC equivalent of watching a McGregor
• 45:23
  card where everything else is kind of just like,
• 45:25
  meh. Canelo Golovkin 2 was a fantastic card.
• 45:33
  That it was. That was a good card. But it's also
• 45:36
  been like eight years. Generally speaking, his
• 45:39
  cards are like, you're better off going to sleep.
• 45:43
  Right? Like, genuinely, you could watch paint
• 45:45
  dry, and that would be more entertaining than
• 45:47
  whatever the hell is happening on the undercard.
• 45:49
  Well, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. This
• 45:51
  card had some good fights. This card did have
• 45:54
  some good fights. The Billy fight was good. I'm
• 45:56
  not trying to tell so much shit, but generally,
• 45:59
  the co -mains are... You know, they're not worth
• 46:02
  writing home about, right? No one can outshine
• 46:04
  Canelo, guys, right? We got to make sure he's
• 46:07
  the main focus. That's true, actually. I will
• 46:10
  say. Billy and Martinez got to move down the
• 46:12
  bill to be completely honest. Yeah, exactly.
• 46:16
  Also, because they're trying to promote the UFC
• 46:18
  guy. That's their fucking point, you know? That's
• 46:21
  the whole thing. No, I do think they moved Billy
• 46:26
  down because it would make the main look bad.
• 46:29
  To be compared directly afterwards. And honestly,
• 46:33
  I think it would have been better. Yeah, exactly.
• 46:37
  Let's prop him up. I think, honestly, it would
• 46:40
  have made the whole event feel better if they
• 46:42
  put it as a co -main. In hindsight, it's like,
• 46:45
  damn. I'm going to get into it right now, but
• 46:46
  it was like, those two fights were good as fuck,
• 46:49
  dude. Good as fuck. Well, is that enough for
• 46:54
  Callum Walsh and Fernando Vargas? Not a whole
• 46:57
  lot. Callum Walsh. The fight was... Callum Walsh,
• 47:00
  retire now, please. What's the statement? Two
• 47:04
  bums? Two bums. Two bums. The new IBF champion?
• 47:08
  No W. Two bums. Two bums. All right. Now, the
• 47:17
  reason that we're here. Terrence Crawford beats
• 47:23
  Saul Canelo Alvarez. In 12. Let me start by preparing
• 47:32
  my healthy serving of crow with a lot of humble
• 47:38
  pie on the side because I picked Canelo. It was
• 47:45
  a coin flip, but I still went with it. I stand
• 47:48
  by what I went with. Crawford pitched the perfect
• 47:55
  game. Canelo was... We were talking about, before
• 48:00
  we started, talking about Canelo being good on
• 48:03
  the inside. Who was that that was... Yeah. That
• 48:09
  was me. I thought Canelo was winning the exchanges
• 48:12
  on the inside, but his feet are so fucking retarded.
• 48:16
  Canelo can't catch anyone anymore. No, and it's
• 48:20
  like his... It's not even... It's just the cutting
• 48:24
  off the ring. too that just like even if his
• 48:28
  feet weren't there it's just the fact that like
• 48:30
  he just doesn't I don't know if it's the attention
• 48:33
  span or like the wear and tear but like ADHD
• 48:37
  in the middle of the ring like I'm fucking serious
• 48:40
  like like like I'm serious like he just cannot
• 48:43
  get the like the ring cutting going and it's
• 48:48
  that's Like, it's probably the most frustrating
• 48:51
  part, because you know what? You cut off the
• 48:53
  ring, you get to him, Crawford outmans you there,
• 48:55
  whatever. But, like, if you let Crawford stay
• 48:59
  in second gear for 80 % of the fight, and just,
• 49:03
  like, hate you? It's not... It's on you. I think
• 49:09
  one of the issues with Canelo is he, if you look
• 49:12
  at, you know... 10 000 foot view of his career
• 49:15
  the fighters that have given us him the most
• 49:17
  trouble are the ones that are able to fight in
• 49:19
  both directions right the ones that are constantly
• 49:21
  switching up like when he doesn't have like one
• 49:25
  area where he's dominant he really really struggles
• 49:28
  and you could see him getting progressively more
• 49:30
  frustrated over the course of the fight he wasn't
• 49:33
  even getting like like distressed he was just
• 49:36
  like pissed like why the can't i catch this guy
• 49:38
  and it was because Crawford was very, very intelligently
• 49:43
  mixing what range he was going to fight. He's
• 49:45
  like, I'll fight in the pocket, counter -punching
• 49:48
  at times, and then as soon as it gets a little
• 49:50
  too sketchy, I'm out. I'm back on my bike. I'm
• 49:54
  boxing you from long range. And he could not
• 49:56
  cope with that, that style change mid -fight.
• 49:59
  He kept telling me to reset the whole fight.
• 50:01
  He would start kind of getting into a groove,
• 50:03
  and boom, Crawford moves. There were times that
• 50:06
  Crawford would get in the corner, move. Kano
• 50:09
  would start trying to load up a punch, and Crawford
• 50:11
  would already be on the other side of the ring.
• 50:13
  He would be inching towards him, and then he's
• 50:15
  already moving laterally out of position. It's
• 50:18
  not like a skull where he keeps backpedaling
• 50:21
  out of it. Genuinely, the lateral movement and
• 50:24
  ring craft is just... Holy shit. I don't want
• 50:28
  to hear anybody say Crawford was running. That
• 50:30
  was not running at all. That's the comparison
• 50:34
  I'm saying. In my personal opinion, I think that
• 50:38
  this is probably the best performance against
• 50:40
  Canelo anybody's ever had. Better than Bivol.
• 50:43
  Even better than Mayweather, in my opinion. I
• 50:46
  mean, this was a masterclass. I don't know about
• 50:49
  that. Canelo didn't even land on Mayweather.
• 50:55
  Look, look, look. Well, hold up. Mayweather,
• 50:57
  look at the times it happened, okay? Mayweather,
• 51:00
  it was when it was early in his career. If you're
• 51:04
  looking at it that way, Canelo's over the hill
• 51:06
  right now, too. Well, it depends. It's half glass
• 51:09
  full, half glass empty. I think he's the most
• 51:11
  seasoned he's been in his whole career. Season
• 51:13
  doesn't matter if your legs don't get going.
• 51:15
  Horrible. Well, the thing is that, let me tell
• 51:18
  you this. Wait, wait, wait, hold on. Like, B
• 51:19
  -Hop against Joe Smith Jr., that was the most
• 51:22
  seasoned Bernard Hopkins ever. He was also 52
• 51:25
  and had no legs left. I will say this, too. It's
• 51:30
  not like Canelo didn't train. And it's also like
• 51:33
  Canelo did not try to fight. Okay. He had a game
• 51:36
  plan. I mean, we all saw he was trying to go
• 51:38
  for the body first. You know, he tried doing
• 51:41
  what he does with all the big fighters. Goes
• 51:43
  to the body, fucking jab, jab over him, right?
• 51:46
  You know, it didn't work. He had a plan and he
• 51:50
  looked, he probably looked, in my opinion, he
• 51:53
  looked the slimmest he's been in years. So it's
• 51:56
  not like he didn't train. He put in the effort
• 51:59
  to win. And it just wasn't enough. And I don't
• 52:06
  think we should just look at this as a Canelo
• 52:08
  fail, because in order for Crawford to win this
• 52:11
  fight, he had to bring an all time performance.
• 52:14
  And that's what he brought. And, you know, over
• 52:16
  on the casuals, when we were talking about this
• 52:19
  fight, I talked about the one scenario I could
• 52:22
  see Crawford winning. And it was what we sort
• 52:26
  of saw here. It was similar to the Spence fight
• 52:28
  where. canelo wants to come forward crawford
• 52:31
  wants accepts that and wants to punch second
• 52:33
  and that's basically how this fight came out
• 52:36
  in those exchanges crawford was just better every
• 52:39
  single time like and i mean especially like i
• 52:42
  think it was round eight or nine they got into
• 52:44
  some seriously like dangerous exchanges and in
• 52:47
  the last couple fights granted against inferior
• 52:50
  competition canelo was like you know knocking
• 52:53
  munguia or belonger out or not out, but he completely
• 52:56
  shut them down with one dynamic punch. And in
• 53:01
  this fight, he wasn't able to find that punch
• 53:04
  on Crawford because Crawford, in those exchanges,
• 53:07
  was able to keep his defense and his offense
• 53:09
  at the same level. He never let himself get out
• 53:12
  of position, and whatever Canelo hit him with,
• 53:15
  he hit him back like three or four times more.
• 53:18
  Yeah, I mean, I think that, like, I think what
• 53:22
  made me realize that Crawford won the fight was
• 53:24
  when they would get into the pocket and Crawford
• 53:27
  would beat the shit out of him in the pocket
• 53:28
  and just move out the way. I was like, dude,
• 53:30
  there's no way he's winning the fight. Because
• 53:32
  if Canelo can't even win in the pocket and get
• 53:34
  a shot in, how the fuck can you reach him any
• 53:37
  time in the fight, you know? He beat him at his
• 53:40
  own game. And there was times, I believe, I think
• 53:42
  it was, like, the 10th round, where it looked
• 53:44
  like vintage Canelo was coming out, like, vintage,
• 53:46
  like, when he was, like, triple G. type canelo
• 53:49
  where he was just throwing throwing throwing
• 53:51
  just you know trying to land a punch and oh my
• 53:53
  god he couldn't get in you know crawford it was
• 53:58
  it was a master class you know it was beautiful
• 54:01
  crawford took the punches better than i expected
• 54:04
  as well i thought canelo was gonna hurt him Like,
• 54:08
  really hurt him. And Crawford was hurt a couple
• 54:10
  times. I don't care what people say. He was hurt
• 54:13
  a couple times. Yeah. He has his dog. He has
• 54:17
  that dog in him. Yeah. I was impressed with Crawford's
• 54:21
  ability to take a punch. I didn't think he would
• 54:24
  handle it that well, and that's why I was thinking
• 54:27
  Canelo would win. I lean towards that same mentality.
• 54:32
  A very, very good... smaller guy is going to
• 54:37
  lose to the very good bigger guy. That's kind
• 54:42
  of what I went with. Unfortunately, Canelo's
• 54:44
  just not very good anymore. Yeah, he's not very
• 54:46
  good. He was never good, actually. He was my
• 54:49
  hater. Two bums. Two bums. Two bums. I think
• 54:58
  there are parallels here, though, between you
• 55:01
  know Crawford and Usyk right both guys jumping
• 55:04
  up like an absurd amount of weight from you know
• 55:06
  where they've been standing and like yet they're
• 55:09
  able to overcome that sort of odds just like
• 55:13
  purely from boxing IQ yeah they just they succeed
• 55:16
  in different ways though like Crawford very much
• 55:19
  it's uh it's a very lateral like he definitely
• 55:24
  uses a ring of generalship To overcome whatever
• 55:29
  shortcomings the size may give him. Whereas Usyk
• 55:32
  flat out. His offensive craft. And like forward
• 55:36
  footwork. Were his highlight traits. In the weight
• 55:41
  jumps. Right. Like stylistically they couldn't
• 55:44
  be more different. But I think the core of it
• 55:46
  is. Like. They are just masters of their craft.
• 55:50
  They know. If you put the right kind of style.
• 55:53
  Especially like I think. In hindsight. the kind
• 55:56
  of style that canelo brought out that's exactly
• 55:58
  what crawford wants he wants someone that will
• 56:01
  come to him don't make me chase you down like
• 56:04
  you know madrimov did or you know madrimov the
• 56:07
  way he i think we were there i think i know we
• 56:11
  were there live for that fight uh me and leo
• 56:13
  um and that fight was cut which is frustrating
• 56:16
  because madrimov would not stay still he wouldn't
• 56:19
  really press forward and range or ever commit
• 56:21
  but moving from the opening bell canelo is Loading
• 56:26
  up power shots immediately. He's wading into
• 56:28
  Crawford's territory. And once he's there. There's
• 56:32
  no one better than him. Clearly. There's no one
• 56:36
  that can touch him. When you step into that world.
• 56:38
  I will say. This is where I. I fully agree. In
• 56:44
  the realm of possibility. At those lower weight
• 56:47
  classes. Again. I say that's where U6 is the
• 56:50
  strongest. In those deep waters. But I guess.
• 56:53
  Part of it is how much dog, not to interrupt,
• 56:57
  but like the most standout trait isn't even a
• 57:00
  skill one from Crawford and Usyk, like tangentially.
• 57:04
  They have this like intangible freak athleticism
• 57:08
  and even more intangible determination that really
• 57:12
  like they assert their will, even if they're
• 57:16
  not necessarily in a good spot. Yeah, I could
• 57:22
  totally see that, because every time that Crawford
• 57:24
  got bothered, he made it a point to pay Canelo
• 57:27
  back. Even if he didn't get him back as good,
• 57:29
  the next round he poured it on. Yeah, and same
• 57:32
  with Usyk. You see his highlight moments at heavyweight
• 57:35
  are always when this huge Goliath rushes him,
• 57:40
  gives him some adversity, and he takes a breath,
• 57:43
  sits down, comes back, and just pillared a post.
• 57:49
  And it's like, Like, it's only happened with
• 57:52
  AJ and Fury because those have been, like, they're
• 57:54
  not these most skilled opponents, but they're
• 57:56
  definitely his hardest opponents. And even with
• 57:59
  Bratis and Michael Hunter, you saw it there,
• 58:02
  too, where, like, they give him some adversity,
• 58:04
  and instead of, like, backing up at it, he just
• 58:09
  has that dog to be able to, and that's something
• 58:12
  that, like, I... I appreciate a lot from Crawford
• 58:17
  in that fight because very easily he could have
• 58:19
  just backed up, moved laterally, and watched
• 58:22
  Canelo. No, just not even because Charlo only
• 58:27
  went backwards. Crawford could have made a sort
• 58:30
  of backward lateral move and kept Canelo floundering.
• 58:34
  But no, when faced with adversity, he showed
• 58:37
  that intangible. He's always had it, but here
• 58:43
  he can actually, again, in a truly necessary
• 58:47
  great moment, he really gets to show those intangibles.
• 58:54
  Crawford proved that he was a great fighter and
• 58:57
  that Canelo was just a very good fighter. It's
• 59:01
  crazy to me because I was just thinking over
• 59:03
  yesterday, it's like Canelo's whole career has
• 59:06
  been building up towards losing to Crawford.
• 59:08
  This is Crawford's legacy, you know? He'd be
• 59:11
  killed. Who fought Mayweather? Who fought Bevo?
• 59:14
  Who fought all these guys? I think it's hyperbolic.
• 59:17
  I think it's hyperbolic to say Crawford is top
• 59:21
  10, top 15, all -time greatest. Because his legacy
• 59:28
  is going to boil. As much as the eye test can
• 59:32
  carry, he just needed more fights against truly
• 59:38
  good opposition. to be because yes he has the
• 59:44
  because the thing is that like like excluding
• 59:47
  whatever excuses haters like myself can make
• 59:50
  about spence and canelo where is the good fights
• 59:54
  his entire legacy is predicated on two wins where
• 59:57
  he showed his greatness but for the rest of his
• 1:00:00
  career it's honestly like the fact that his hardest
• 1:00:04
  fight is against mean machine is not great because
• 1:00:09
  like In every great fighters, like all -time
• 1:00:13
  great fighters, they have good wins. They have
• 1:00:16
  good wins, they have great wins. Like, you're
• 1:00:20
  not going to... Yeah, beating Hagler... I was
• 1:00:22
  going to say mediocre wins against very mediocre
• 1:00:26
  guys. Beating guys, like Sugar Ray Leonard is
• 1:00:29
  a comparison point here. Because, yes, he beat
• 1:00:33
  Hagler, earns Duran. But he also has a lot of
• 1:00:37
  very good wins at his weight classes that he
• 1:00:42
  fought at. Let's take a peek. Yeah, Donny Lalonde
• 1:00:49
  at super middleweight. That was a good win. Not
• 1:00:52
  an all -time great opponent win, but that's a
• 1:00:54
  good win. That's a good win. It's similar to
• 1:00:56
  this fight where he went up and beat a bigger
• 1:00:58
  guy. Not a great guy, but... Wilfred Benitez
• 1:01:02
  is an underrated great win. And he dominated
• 1:01:07
  that man. Yeah. But at the same time, like, yeah,
• 1:01:12
  you're right. Trigger Leonard's resume is definitely
• 1:01:14
  one of the greatest of all time. And the thing
• 1:01:17
  is, he's considered one of the greatest of all
• 1:01:19
  time. Yeah, but that's the company Crawford is
• 1:01:22
  entering. But I don't, like, I think he can be,
• 1:01:26
  like, this is being, like, extremely down on
• 1:01:30
  it and saying, like, top 30 all time. And that
• 1:01:34
  will just be on... That's still great. Great,
• 1:01:38
  great, great. Yeah, 100%. But it's purely...
• 1:01:40
  It's purely like... Again, I've already made
• 1:01:45
  my case for why I dislike him outside of the
• 1:01:47
  ring for that top rank extension. But the thing
• 1:01:50
  is that in the world where he goes to PVC, he
• 1:01:54
  has those good wins. He has those good wins.
• 1:01:57
  He has Thurman and Porter. He moves up to 154.
• 1:02:03
  He'd probably get Danny Garcia at 54 instead
• 1:02:06
  of Madrimov, who's somebody that will probably
• 1:02:09
  not be considered a good win considering how
• 1:02:12
  strong the division is. He probably hangs with
• 1:02:14
  Boots at some point. So he has a bunch of...
• 1:02:22
  I use Ray Leonard as the example because outside
• 1:02:25
  of the standout wins, he has a pretty thin resume.
• 1:02:28
  He was a bit of a diva. Ugas too. But even then,
• 1:02:33
  you're right. Ugas. Pacquiao. He would have had
• 1:02:36
  Pacquiao. Yeah, he would have had Pacquiao. He
• 1:02:40
  would have had Barrios. He would have had a better
• 1:02:43
  Spence. Yeah. And a better Canelo. And the thing
• 1:02:47
  is that if he's at 168 at the time Canelo becomes
• 1:02:49
  undisputed, you're not... There's... Benavidez
• 1:02:53
  and Morella right there. And the thing is...
• 1:02:56
  That's assuming he... Mikey Garcia. That's assuming
• 1:02:59
  he fights... More than once a year, though. No,
• 1:03:03
  but even with the once a year... I think with
• 1:03:04
  quality opponents like that, I think he would
• 1:03:06
  fight more than once a year. Yeah, but instead
• 1:03:08
  of Amir Khan and Kell Brook, even if you swap
• 1:03:11
  out the top -ranked extension fights with all
• 1:03:15
  good contenders, now you have a resume that is
• 1:03:19
  like, you can crack top 20, top 15 conversations.
• 1:03:23
  Because... I mean, I think him doing this in
• 1:03:27
  general puts him in the top 15. My opinion probably
• 1:03:31
  top, yeah, definitely top 50. The reason, the
• 1:03:34
  thing is that, like, if you look at fighters
• 1:03:37
  before weight classes became so common, like,
• 1:03:41
  again, Leonard moving up to 168 to fight Donny
• 1:03:45
  Lalonde, that was one of the first, like, major
• 1:03:49
  168 clashes. The weight class was very new. Like,
• 1:03:53
  the weight jumps, weight jumps were scarier,
• 1:03:56
  like... there because you had because like again
• 1:03:59
  leonard on a three -year layoff went from 147
• 1:04:03
  to 160 which is the same jump to fight hagler
• 1:04:07
  who is a infinitely like i will at that stage
• 1:04:12
  in the career yeah hagler was probably on the
• 1:04:15
  downside but it's not like he was anywhere near
• 1:04:18
  over the hill this was marvin hagler no i mean
• 1:04:25
  That itself is legendary. They were great comparisons
• 1:04:29
  to that fight with this fight. But that's the
• 1:04:32
  point of it's great. It's absolutely a testament
• 1:04:37
  to Crawford's greatness. And I say this as a
• 1:04:40
  complete this guy is detestable outside of the
• 1:04:43
  ring. I don't think a bigger loser could be an
• 1:04:46
  all -time great. This guy's going to waste all
• 1:04:50
  his money with his seven kids and be back fighting
• 1:04:52
  Jake Paul in 12 years. We pushed it out a few
• 1:04:57
  years, but we're still back on Jake Paul. I think
• 1:05:01
  he's done. I think Crawford's done after this.
• 1:05:03
  I'm surprised if he goes and fights another fight.
• 1:05:06
  There's nothing better than this, honestly. The
• 1:05:08
  thing is, you have to consider the way his life...
• 1:05:11
  Yeah, he lives incredibly frugal, but this guy
• 1:05:14
  will not stop having kids. He's got enough money
• 1:05:18
  to feed a million kids. Go to Africa. No, but
• 1:05:22
  the thing is, Crawford strikes me as somebody
• 1:05:28
  who, again, he's always believed he's a bigger
• 1:05:31
  star than he actually has been. I'm not saying
• 1:05:37
  he's going to gamble the money away like Michael
• 1:05:40
  Jordan does. I'm saying he's going to make some
• 1:05:43
  bad business investments with putting his name
• 1:05:45
  on it. Maybe a chain of restaurants, a car dealership,
• 1:05:48
  something that doesn't work out. and he'll be
• 1:05:54
  back which is unfortunate but so i think with
• 1:05:57
  that threat and the threat of seven kids you're
• 1:06:02
  going to you're going to run into turkey especially
• 1:06:05
  because like turkey's going to offer him a fight
• 1:06:09
  like a check he cannot refuse a check especially
• 1:06:13
  because crawford can be buttered up real easy
• 1:06:17
  He's going to butter Crawford up. Be like, listen,
• 1:06:19
  man, you will be the greatest of all time. I'm
• 1:06:21
  going to give you like $300 million if you face
• 1:06:24
  my guy here, David Benavidez or something like
• 1:06:27
  that. I do want to give someone time that they
• 1:06:30
  are. Oh, absolutely. For a while. Yeah, he's
• 1:06:34
  been here for a while. He's going to go to bed
• 1:06:35
  soon. We got to get his piece in. We've all been
• 1:06:38
  talking. This guy just barely joined. We got
• 1:06:41
  to hear what he's got to say. Welcome in, Isaac.
• 1:06:44
  So I'm the resident Canelo fan. Yeah, go ahead
• 1:06:48
  and get your booze in. I was cheering for him,
• 1:06:52
  hoping he would win this fight. I did know that
• 1:06:56
  he could possibly lose. I even told all of my
• 1:07:00
  family. I mean, they didn't believe me again,
• 1:07:02
  even though I told them that in the bubble fight.
• 1:07:03
  But I told them there's real chances that Canelo
• 1:07:06
  could lose. And man, dude, bud. Bud is an all
• 1:07:12
  -time great boxer, not just in this era. He is
• 1:07:16
  an all -time great boxer. He's a very special
• 1:07:20
  fighter. I said the same thing whenever we saw
• 1:07:23
  Usyk do his thing with Fury and Dubois. And I'm
• 1:07:29
  going to say it again with Bud. This is a very
• 1:07:31
  special fighter. And this is in our era. We're
• 1:07:37
  seeing a spectacle, man. It's one of those things
• 1:07:41
  that's humbling to see. And, I mean, bro, not
• 1:07:45
  every generation gets a fighter like this. I
• 1:07:49
  mean, this is amazing to see. Bud is just incredibly
• 1:07:54
  talented as a boxer. I mean, he was in fighting
• 1:07:58
  with Canelo multiple times throughout the fight.
• 1:08:01
  And, you know, landing pretty well. I mean, you
• 1:08:03
  compare their faces in the post -fight press
• 1:08:06
  conference. Bud was barely touched. I mean, Canelo
• 1:08:10
  landed some, but not... There was at no point
• 1:08:13
  in the fight where I was like, oh, Bud is hurt.
• 1:08:15
  You know, Canelo landed a few times, but there
• 1:08:17
  was nothing really substantial. And man, his
• 1:08:21
  defense was on point. His offense was on point.
• 1:08:24
  Book work, his feints. I mean, his counters.
• 1:08:28
  It was like from bottom to top, he was just...
• 1:08:34
  a near perfect fighter like it's pretty much
• 1:08:36
  as perfect as you can get and it was just an
• 1:08:39
  incredible to see man uh i had a feeling you
• 1:08:42
  know anyone that's saying robbery by the way
• 1:08:46
  is just completely wrong you can i i didn't even
• 1:08:50
  say robbery and i hate bud crawford more than
• 1:08:52
  most people love their mothers there's zero zero
• 1:08:56
  world where canelo wins that fight like you you
• 1:08:58
  cannot like canelo is my boy You can barely argue
• 1:09:03
  for a draw. Barely. There's no world where Canelo
• 1:09:08
  wins. Bud deserved that win. And, you know, for
• 1:09:11
  people saying, like, oh, Canelo's, he's more
• 1:09:14
  washed. I mean, like, yes, but Bud came up in
• 1:09:18
  weight. So that cancels each other out. I mean,
• 1:09:21
  it's, give him his flowers. Give Bud his flowers.
• 1:09:24
  Like, this is an all -time great win, and his
• 1:09:27
  name just shot up. an all -time great list. I
• 1:09:30
  mean, three -time Undisputed. He went from, like,
• 1:09:34
  fourth or fifth in this era, in my estimation,
• 1:09:37
  to, like, okay, one or two interchangeably. And,
• 1:09:42
  like, he's in the conversation. Absolutely. He's
• 1:09:46
  at the table. Yeah. Yeah. It's a special fighter,
• 1:09:49
  man. It's nice to see, man. This is... I mean,
• 1:09:55
  I said this with Nathan and Leo after... Usyk
• 1:09:59
  completely dismantled Dubois. We don't get to
• 1:10:05
  see these type of fighters often. So whenever
• 1:10:08
  they do come around, I mean, it's must watch
• 1:10:12
  and just enjoy. Like, take it in. Because these
• 1:10:16
  fighters really, it's a rarity. It's a rarity.
• 1:10:20
  So just, like, really enjoy it. Like, you know,
• 1:10:23
  he's not going to be, he's going to turn 38 here
• 1:10:26
  soon. He's not going to be around long. We'll
• 1:10:30
  see what he does next, but whatever he does coming
• 1:10:34
  up, I mean, just enjoy the time we have left
• 1:10:36
  with him because it's going to be a while before
• 1:10:39
  we see a fighter on his level again. I wouldn't
• 1:10:44
  be surprised if he retires. I hope he does. I
• 1:10:49
  was expecting him. I'm stating the case for how
• 1:10:53
  Al -Ashid gets him back. I mean, it's easy money.
• 1:11:00
  I mean, I could see him coming back for one more.
• 1:11:03
  Just because after this win... He wants to revel
• 1:11:07
  in it. Yeah, his stock has gone up. His next
• 1:11:10
  paycheck, if he does come back, has got to be
• 1:11:13
  way more. And it's going to be... Crawford has
• 1:11:17
  enough of ego, per se, that it'll make it actually...
• 1:11:22
  It'll validate him and every choice he's made,
• 1:11:25
  almost. like he can he can be buttered up and
• 1:11:30
  he can be validated into taking the next like
• 1:11:33
  doesn't matter who it's with turkey could be
• 1:11:35
  like all right bro i have cloned mike tyson from
• 1:11:39
  the year 1986 and you're gonna fight him and
• 1:11:44
  you know what if the check is big enough and
• 1:11:46
  the stage is big enough crawford will do one
• 1:11:48
  more and retire you know he was saying 160. They
• 1:11:56
  asked him whenever he was at the analyst table.
• 1:11:59
  He said, you know, potentially 160, because he's
• 1:12:02
  not going back to 154, but potentially 160 he
• 1:12:04
  could do. It'd be really disappointing. Four
• 1:12:07
  time undisputed. But I mean, he'd go from Canelo
• 1:12:13
  to someone like Janabek, which is like really...
• 1:12:15
  Like Janabek is more likely to be like... retired
• 1:12:23
  than fighting crawford if we're looking at the
• 1:12:25
  scaling event i think like yes it would be nice
• 1:12:28
  for crawford to win another title in another
• 1:12:30
  weight class but i think more than anything he
• 1:12:33
  wants an event that is his because his two biggest
• 1:12:36
  fights up to date has been him has been spence
• 1:12:39
  and him and canelo and him he needs that validation
• 1:12:45
  is something that like you know it's a little
• 1:12:48
  parasocial for me to surmise but the way he has
• 1:12:52
  gotten on top rank and like the way he carried
• 1:12:54
  himself around the build up to the spence fight
• 1:12:57
  basically like he needs he wants to be the show
• 1:13:01
  and you know what good for it good for him he
• 1:13:08
  deserves it if like as a hater and as as a hater
• 1:13:11
  and a fan i would like benavidez That'd be such
• 1:13:15
  a nice fight. I don't even have Benavidez winning
• 1:13:22
  that. That's a toss -up. I think another one
• 1:13:27
  that... This is a clear... This other one that
• 1:13:33
  I'm thinking of is Crawford would be favored
• 1:13:36
  by a lot. But you could put him against Jermel
• 1:13:38
  at 160. Because that's a grudge match. These
• 1:13:41
  guys hate each other. And that would absolutely
• 1:13:43
  be a profit to them. I would love to see that.
• 1:13:48
  It's either Charlo or another guy. Boots. Boots.
• 1:13:54
  I don't think he's interested in fighting Boots.
• 1:13:58
  I don't know. That would be a fun fight. as much
• 1:14:01
  again I've stated my love for boots and my love
• 1:14:03
  to see that fight I don't think it's smart for
• 1:14:05
  Crawford to come down to 154 and I don't think
• 1:14:08
  it's smart for boots to go up to 160 I think
• 1:14:13
  there's also whatever fight he gets sold next
• 1:14:16
  it I think there can't just be money there has
• 1:14:19
  to be legacy attached to it because right now
• 1:14:21
  I mean y 'all might disagree with me but I think
• 1:14:24
  this is the single best win of any boxer I've
• 1:14:27
  watched in my lifetime. Like, I can't think of
• 1:14:29
  another single win taken standalone that's better,
• 1:14:32
  considering all the circumstances. In this era?
• 1:14:36
  No, I think Usyk Fury is pretty high up there.
• 1:14:40
  It's the closest one, I think. I don't deny that
• 1:14:43
  at all, but I mean, if you look at the circumstances,
• 1:14:47
  like Nakatani Inoue is going to be, that's going
• 1:14:52
  to be the one I point at. That's more for the
• 1:14:55
  Japanese. That's more for the hardcore. That's
• 1:14:58
  for the hardcore. Not a lot of people from our
• 1:15:01
  side of the world were going to tune into that,
• 1:15:03
  unfortunately. Just that, like, you're going
• 1:15:08
  to have to have a fight that has serious legacy
• 1:15:10
  ramifications, right? Because when he took that
• 1:15:12
  Spence fight, that wasn't just, I'm finally getting
• 1:15:14
  paid. That's, I'm beating my generational rival,
• 1:15:17
  right? And when he took this Canelo fight, he's
• 1:15:20
  like, I'm beating a guy who's been a pound for
• 1:15:22
  pound fighter for the last decade right challenging
• 1:15:26
  the generation yes he needs something along those
• 1:15:31
  lines and yeah but i mean like just evaluating
• 1:15:34
  this one win like there's very few fights i think
• 1:15:37
  that that rise to the level like once you think
• 1:15:39
  of like like like i just said canelo has been
• 1:15:42
  on the pound for pound list for the basically
• 1:15:45
  over a decade at this point And, you know, we
• 1:15:48
  can say all we want about how he's regressed.
• 1:15:50
  But I mean, the fact that he jumped practically
• 1:15:53
  three weight classes, like I don't even count
• 1:15:55
  154 that much. He spent years and years as a
• 1:15:59
  welterweight. He jumps up for one fight, then
• 1:16:01
  moves to 168 and does that like he wins convincingly.
• 1:16:06
  I mean, it's it defies all the logic you should
• 1:16:09
  see because he's doing that on the wrong side
• 1:16:11
  of 35 to like that doesn't happen. It never happens.
• 1:16:15
  Right. And like you start piling up all these
• 1:16:19
  things that it defies conventional wisdom that
• 1:16:22
  he should have won this fight in the way he did.
• 1:16:24
  And yet he did. And so like, right. The only
• 1:16:28
  other one that makes sense is you. Right. Where
• 1:16:31
  he's fighting a guy. He jumps up 30 pounds and
• 1:16:35
  he's still at a 30 pound weight disadvantage.
• 1:16:37
  Like that's a crazy jump up there. But I mean,
• 1:16:41
  I just had a crazy. What else? I just had a great
• 1:16:45
  thought. You know, years ago after the loss to
• 1:16:50
  Bavole, Bavole was saying that he dropped down
• 1:16:52
  to 168 to challenge for the Undisputed Super
• 1:16:56
  Metalweight title. Holy shit. Is there any world
• 1:16:59
  where he drops down to 168 to challenge Bud or
• 1:17:04
  the Undisputed 168? No. That's not happening.
• 1:17:09
  That's like Chad Rawson going back down to fight
• 1:17:11
  Andre Ward. hell hell no, but also like I don't
• 1:17:16
  I don't think it that I just like like as much
• 1:17:19
  as people is like Well as legacy as below might
• 1:17:24
  be like again I think more than like it needs
• 1:17:27
  to be a good blend of legacy and spectacle Crawford
• 1:17:31
  needs to be the a -side in an event To validate
• 1:17:35
  his entire career after himself. It's not like
• 1:17:38
  It's not yeah he would be the a side but i'm
• 1:17:43
  saying i'm saying it wouldn't be as much of an
• 1:17:45
  event you'd be like oh it's bibble but i'll say
• 1:17:49
  if you thought benavidez that would probably
• 1:17:51
  be the closest that's what i mean benavidez benavidez
• 1:17:53
  is a similar on a similar like say what you have
• 1:17:57
  a legacy benavidez is similar it's a bigger profile
• 1:18:01
  than b of old right now and he doesn't need to
• 1:18:07
  they could do it at a catch weight even like
• 1:18:09
  170. The thing is that also, this fight, like
• 1:18:12
  we were saying last time, was the grand finale
• 1:18:15
  of boxing. There was no passing of the torch.
• 1:18:17
  You know? There's no young fighter that's going
• 1:18:20
  to live on it. Pack it up, guys. No, seriously.
• 1:18:22
  Because, I mean, after this, I mean, are there
• 1:18:24
  really going to be a lot of Cinco de Mayo fights?
• 1:18:27
  Fucking... In the Mexican Independence Day fights
• 1:18:29
  for a while? I mean, that was Canelo's day. That
• 1:18:33
  is Canelo's day. I will say that... When's that
• 1:18:36
  next time it's going to happen? You know? I will
• 1:18:38
  say that... Turkey Alashik's involvement in the
• 1:18:42
  sport and everything has destroyed the prospect
• 1:18:44
  pipeline. So, like, yeah, once this generation
• 1:18:48
  is done, it's, we're gonna, like, yeah, this
• 1:18:51
  basically, like, if we're gonna treat it that
• 1:18:53
  way, this basically was the series finale. I
• 1:18:58
  do agree with that take. Because, honestly, like,
• 1:19:00
  it's kind of sad to say, but if Benavidez does
• 1:19:02
  fight Crawford, that can be a passing of the
• 1:19:05
  torch. A new start for another Mexican star to
• 1:19:08
  at least carry on For these days. At least fight
• 1:19:11
  twice a year, you know. On the days that Canelo
• 1:19:14
  fight, you know. It's just sad to think that.
• 1:19:19
  Like, it's bittersweet, actually, to me. I was
• 1:19:22
  thinking about it. I mean, I was so happy that
• 1:19:25
  Crawford won. I was literally, like, jumping
• 1:19:28
  up and down. And yelling, fuck yeah, beat his
• 1:19:33
  ass, type of thing, you know. At the end of the
• 1:19:36
  fight, I felt sad because I realized I was like,
• 1:19:38
  dude, I've been watching Canelo for the majority
• 1:19:42
  of my life. And it's sad to see him go out like
• 1:19:46
  that. I saw his rise, his peak, and his eventual
• 1:19:51
  decline. And it's sad to see that he's probably
• 1:19:56
  going to retire. Boxing is dead has been a cliche
• 1:20:00
  since they started letting black people box.
• 1:20:03
  But the way the prospect pipeline is so irreparably
• 1:20:10
  damaged at this point, because your options are
• 1:20:15
  either you have your amateur background, which
• 1:20:18
  is getting chipped away at by the year, just
• 1:20:21
  by society, and you hope that you become one
• 1:20:27
  of Turkey's darlings. or you fight on your regional
• 1:20:31
  circuit or pro box or wherever and you grind
• 1:20:35
  your way up only to be put against one of turkey's
• 1:20:38
  darlings on two weeks notice like we're gonna
• 1:20:43
  hit a prospect crisis not soon but it is on the
• 1:20:48
  horizon and it's something that doubles that
• 1:20:51
  kind of exacerbates the feeling of this feeling
• 1:20:53
  like a series finale almost I mean, right now,
• 1:20:58
  besides Canelo and, I guess, Tank, Tank's also
• 1:21:03
  gone, but, like, what other pay -per -view star
• 1:21:05
  is there? Virgil and Benavidez. Benavidez is
• 1:21:13
  the closest we have to someone who has, like,
• 1:21:16
  in a way, is known by casuals, but the issue
• 1:21:22
  is that, like, top -ranked sucks at putting his
• 1:21:24
  fights on in the United States. so him being
• 1:21:28
  on facebook is a hate crime i don't care what
• 1:21:31
  else to say like bro i've seen like beer league
• 1:21:34
  lacrosse with more viewers on facebook bro like
• 1:21:38
  this is it's criminal i think your your next
• 1:21:41
  other star besides the ones you listed genuinely
• 1:21:45
  i think it's moses aitama true like he's got
• 1:21:49
  a lot of potential but i i totally agree with
• 1:21:51
  what you're saying like there is there's not
• 1:21:53
  a whole lot of guys that we know about at this
• 1:21:55
  moment that who's ready to take the mantle right
• 1:21:58
  it feels like he got the last helicopter out
• 1:22:01
  of saigon though like very much like he's the
• 1:22:06
  like he's done like the way like he got the last
• 1:22:09
  helicopter out of saigon with how like he's being
• 1:22:13
  developed like a normal prospect instead of like
• 1:22:15
  what's going to happen which is that there are
• 1:22:20
  no prospects so we're just gonna See what works.
• 1:22:26
  In the lightweight classes, it'll be fine. Because
• 1:22:29
  he doesn't care. Yeah, like, the regional circuits
• 1:22:34
  in the lighter weight classes should remain fine,
• 1:22:37
  but, like, once you get to welterweight and above,
• 1:22:40
  like, you're already seeing it at middleweight
• 1:22:42
  and at heavyweight. Heavyweight is as talented
• 1:22:47
  as it's ever been, but, like, it's very top -heavy.
• 1:22:51
  These weight classes are really top heavy. And
• 1:22:54
  it's just going to erode with time if you don't
• 1:22:58
  have a spot. Because guys are going to stay amateur
• 1:23:00
  if they can't do anything in the pros. We'll
• 1:23:05
  get more Lomachenkos. And that's not great. You
• 1:23:10
  get guys who are too old. You get guys who just
• 1:23:13
  beat up on kids for the last 10 years and then
• 1:23:16
  can't cut it in the pros to their full potential
• 1:23:18
  because they didn't turn pro soon enough. Like,
• 1:23:24
  Lomachenko had a good career, but he could have,
• 1:23:26
  he could have all, like, it's something to say
• 1:23:29
  that he could have been so much more if he had
• 1:23:31
  just turned pro eight years earlier and actually
• 1:23:35
  became a pro. And we're going to, we're going
• 1:23:39
  to get a lot of disappointing prospects or prospects
• 1:23:41
  that never turned pro that you'd want them to
• 1:23:43
  turn pro. It's just, it's bleak. We're going
• 1:23:47
  to get a bunch of Demetrius Andres. It's bleak.
• 1:23:50
  And the thing is that everyone's going to still
• 1:23:54
  want to stay turkeys, darling. So you're going
• 1:23:57
  to get a bunch of androids. This is the same
• 1:24:00
  as the Mayweather sweepstakes, wasn't it? Where
• 1:24:03
  everybody just doesn't want to do anything because
• 1:24:05
  they want to remain pristine enough. But that
• 1:24:10
  was at the top. At the prospect level, you had
• 1:24:13
  guys like Thurman and Spence camp. Again, you
• 1:24:17
  had prospects campaigning. in search of the sweepstakes
• 1:24:22
  it's that's what it like when the sweepstakes
• 1:24:24
  is a fighter yeah it affects the top but the
• 1:24:28
  prospects really get moving to make it to the
• 1:24:31
  top level so they can get that shot when it's
• 1:24:35
  a promoter sweepstakes where you just you just
• 1:24:38
  sit on your ass there's no one there's no like
• 1:24:41
  there's no one to fight to get that or to no
• 1:24:44
  way to earn it you just it's rent it's chance
• 1:24:46
  almost Well, then that's when you sign up with
• 1:24:49
  the IBF. It's a bleak prospect pipeline is what
• 1:24:57
  I mean in terms of like how we traditionally
• 1:24:59
  consider prospect development, which is like
• 1:25:03
  it's going to be guys never reaching their full
• 1:25:06
  potential or turning pro too late or just getting
• 1:25:11
  like washed over because there's no opportunity
• 1:25:13
  to get built up. It's like, again, it's very
• 1:25:21
  much like a series finale of boxing. But again,
• 1:25:26
  I'm still going to stick around to see how bad
• 1:25:29
  it gets. And you know what? If nothing else,
• 1:25:33
  I have Inoue Nakatani to look forward to as one
• 1:25:37
  last super fight. You're so pessimistic. Boxing
• 1:25:42
  will be fine. Boxing's always fine. It's always
• 1:25:45
  fine, but the thing is that it's on a decline.
• 1:25:49
  It can be better, but it's on a decline right
• 1:25:51
  now. Yeah, it'll come back. I'm pessimistic because
• 1:25:55
  I like having the upper weight classes healthy.
• 1:26:01
  I do not... Nobody cares. Well, I don't care.
• 1:26:06
  Everybody cares except me. Everybody cares. That's
• 1:26:08
  the thing. Like, we're the hardcores. But, like,
• 1:26:11
  when I go to work and I talk to a guy, it's like,
• 1:26:15
  oh, did you see the Benavidez highlight clip
• 1:26:17
  on Instagram? It's never, like, did you see Bam
• 1:26:20
  Rodriguez fight last week? It should be. It should
• 1:26:24
  be. We are the hardcores, ostensibly. And I'm
• 1:26:30
  thinking more about, like, again, a kid, an absolute,
• 1:26:36
  like, a complete child. does not sign up for
• 1:26:39
  boxing because uh he watched um in a way cardenas
• 1:26:44
  as good as that fight was it's because he watched
• 1:26:48
  a really cool heavyweight fight where two fat
• 1:26:51
  dudes beat the out of each other no no i disagree
• 1:26:55
  boring no like that's how it was back in the
• 1:27:00
  day they would watch the heavyweight fights with
• 1:27:01
  george foreman and muhammad ali even in the 90s
• 1:27:05
  No, but you see the British boom in boxing was
• 1:27:09
  Audley Harrison. Yeah, that's true. A heavyweight.
• 1:27:14
  You're not wrong. You're not wrong. You're not
• 1:27:15
  wrong. But that's the British boom. And then
• 1:27:17
  it was David Price. You had AJ. And then AJ's
• 1:27:21
  era really, like, that's what I mean. It's always,
• 1:27:24
  like, an inspiring, like, in Europe. Like, Klitschko's
• 1:27:29
  being in Germany. kind of correlates to Germany
• 1:27:32
  having a really nice amateur scene right now.
• 1:27:36
  But you get small guys that do the same thing.
• 1:27:39
  Oh, absolutely. Not on the same scale, though.
• 1:27:42
  But the thing is that the upper... So many people
• 1:27:44
  started boxing because of Pacquiao. Heavyweight?
• 1:27:48
  Heavyweight? Yeah, you're right. But they built
• 1:27:51
  him up properly, promotionally. And that's the
• 1:27:56
  point we're trying to make. So many people are
• 1:27:59
  going to start boxing because of Bam and Inoue.
• 1:28:02
  I think a lot of people are going to start boxing
• 1:28:04
  because of this fight. When I look at Pacquiao's
• 1:28:09
  career here, the thing is that this is when Friday
• 1:28:15
  Night Fight cards existed and everything that
• 1:28:17
  he could be on. And there were so many dates
• 1:28:20
  that were filled. By a pile of promoters. That
• 1:28:23
  all had TV dates. They turn on their TV. Who
• 1:28:26
  is this Filipino dude? I can't pronounce his
• 1:28:28
  name. And he's beating the fuck out of this champion.
• 1:28:32
  Nowadays that doesn't exist. You can't flick
• 1:28:34
  on your TV. The culture is not there anymore.
• 1:28:37
  Because there are no TV deals. There's no room
• 1:28:41
  for a kid. To turn on his TV. On a Thursday night.
• 1:28:45
  And see this kid Pacquiao. Who had to put fucking
• 1:28:48
  rocks in his shorts. beating the fuck out of
• 1:28:51
  the world champion that story doesn't exist anymore
• 1:28:55
  and that's why i think the prospect pipeline
• 1:28:57
  is a little bleak i'm not saying the sport's
• 1:28:59
  gonna die out but i'm saying at the up by upper
• 1:29:02
  weight like upper weight classes is lightweight
• 1:29:04
  and above if you go at it mathematically and
• 1:29:07
  they're gonna dry up a little bit interest wise
• 1:29:10
  because there's like the like there's no there's
• 1:29:15
  no way it's not accessible And it gets less accessible
• 1:29:18
  to access the prospects. Because before they're
• 1:29:21
  stars, they're always prospects. And you need
• 1:29:24
  to be able to build them, not just as fighters,
• 1:29:27
  but promotionally at the prospect stage for free
• 1:29:30
  in an accessible way. Like ProBot. ProBot, exactly.
• 1:29:35
  But again, no TV deal. Just speaking of prospects,
• 1:29:40
  I have prospects for sleep tonight, so I'm going
• 1:29:42
  to dip. We've gone way off topic. We've gone
• 1:29:51
  way over. Appreciate you having us. Have a good
• 1:29:58
  one, fellas. Thank you for coming. We should
• 1:30:01
  wrap up. What were you going to say, Sol? I was
• 1:30:08
  going to say, I just want to say one last thing
• 1:30:10
  about the fight. Man. It was a spectacle, dude.
• 1:30:15
  I haven't felt like... Yeah, I haven't felt like
• 1:30:18
  that in forever, man. I remember... I would talk
• 1:30:23
  to people, just random people, about the fight
• 1:30:24
  on the street. I was surprised that actually
• 1:30:27
  people started talking about it, you know? It
• 1:30:29
  was actually... Yeah, exactly. But it was like
• 1:30:32
  a highly viewed event. You know? It was akin
• 1:30:37
  to like a Mayweather Canelo. Mayweather Pacquiao
• 1:30:40
  type thing. You know? People were talking about
• 1:30:44
  it. It's crazy. I can't believe. I'm still in
• 1:30:48
  disbelief right now that Crawford did what he
• 1:30:49
  did. Beautiful, beautiful fighter. Beautiful,
• 1:30:52
  beautiful man. That ring. I loved it. I loved
• 1:30:55
  every second of it. He beat the shit out of Canelo.
• 1:31:00
  Damn. I'm going to give. I wish I hadn't moved.
• 1:31:04
  Because the corner shop. I think I've mentioned
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  it on B -Sides before. The corner store. near
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  my where I used to live like on big you can always
• 1:31:16
  tell big fight weekends I go to the corner store
• 1:31:20
  on like Saturday night or Saturday evening and
• 1:31:24
  the place is packed the all of the beer is fucking
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  gone and everybody in line is talking about the
• 1:31:33
  fight this is it has happened more than once
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  and they've all been Canelo fights But that would
• 1:31:41
  have been cool to see what was happening in the
• 1:31:43
  shop. Sad times. All right. Anything more for
• 1:31:51
  the Terrence Crawford Canelo card? You said everything
• 1:31:56
  we needed to say. You know, I'm not going to
• 1:32:00
  do ads this time. Fuck that. But I am going to
• 1:32:03
  throw some shit in here. Buy a t -shirt. I was
• 1:32:06
  going to throw some shit in here. We got this
• 1:32:10
  new jacket up. It actually looks pretty dope.
• 1:32:14
  So lvx .be slash shop if you want to check that
• 1:32:18
  out. LVX Media Net, that's the social media handle
• 1:32:23
  everywhere. If you cannot find it, chances are
• 1:32:26
  we're not on it. But if you want to hit me up,
• 1:32:29
  let me know what social media app you can't find
• 1:32:31
  me on. 833 -589 -7637. I want to hear what you
• 1:32:35
  think about Terrence Crawford beating Canelo.
• 1:32:39
  Does your heart ache? Or are your fucking loins
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  tickled? You tell me. That's all I got. Let's
• 1:32:49
  do some parting words. Shanada, start us off.
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  I don't have parting words today. I'm going to
• 1:32:58
  go crash so hard. I've been awake for like 48
• 1:33:03
  hours. Fair enough. Saul, you got anything? Yeah,
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  I just want to say that there's a couple fights
• 1:33:11
  that happen every couple years that reignites
• 1:33:16
  the love for the sport. It reminds the fans what
• 1:33:20
  we love most about boxing. You know, we had Spence
• 1:33:24
  Crawford, Wilder Fury. Fucking this fight made
• 1:33:30
  me realize again and again why I watch boxing.
• 1:33:35
  You know, it's why we love boxing. It was beautiful.
• 1:33:40
  And I'm glad I have experienced it. And I could
• 1:33:43
  die happy now. Those are my parting words. I
• 1:33:50
  could die happy now. Knowing that Crawford became
• 1:33:52
  three times as beautiful. I could die happy now.
• 1:33:54
  My top ten greatest of all time. That's crazy.
• 1:34:00
  That is crazy. I don't care. I don't care. Pro
• 1:34:05
  box good. Oh, fuck. That's going to do it for
• 1:34:10
  this edition. This is going to go up when it
• 1:34:15
  goes up. Boxing B -sides. Fucking check us out.