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Big Tech Still Silencing Conservatives on Social Media plus NPR New CEO Questions 1st Amendment · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Cruz and I had that deal with big tech and
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  Speaker 1: also silencing of conservatives that I'm going to play for you.
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  Speaker 1: as well. But these are two important topics that I
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  Speaker 1: want you to hear about. And there are a lot
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  Speaker 1: going on in DC, specifically around the issue of big
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  Speaker 1: tech and what they're doing to silence conservatives. But first,
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  Speaker 1: if CJ dot org to give. Now center. Big Tech
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  Speaker 1: is obviously at a massive influence over public opinion in
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  Speaker 1: this country. We saw a recent report that came out
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  Speaker 1: just on TikTok, for example, where they were forty five
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  Speaker 1: to one stories that were pro Palastinian pro Hamas over Israel.
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  Speaker 1: That's one example of how they've really been able to
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  Speaker 1: shape public opinion, especially with young people and the riots
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  Speaker 1: and the chaos we're witnessing on college campuses right now.
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  Speaker 1: But there's also something else that's happened with big tech.
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  Speaker 1: I've been a victim of it. I spoke out again
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  Speaker 1: against big tech a few years ago at a SEAPAC convention,
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  Speaker 1: and before I landed home. After I spoke out about
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  Speaker 1: big tech, specifically Facebook, my accounts were shut down they
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  Speaker 1: have never worked the same way as they did before
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  Speaker 1: the reach has disappeared. I've witnessed it, and many other
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  Speaker 1: conservative leaders out there are going through the same things.
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  Speaker 1: And it always seems to happen center right during a
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  Speaker 1: big election cycle, where the Democrats get a free flow
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  Speaker 1: of information out and conservatives get hammered and silenced.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly right. So I started last year as
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  Speaker 2: the ranking member on the Senate Committee of Commerce, Science,
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  Speaker 2: and Transportation, and from that position as the ranking member,
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  Speaker 2: which means the senior Republican on that committee, I launched
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  Speaker 2: an investigation into the abuse of power from big tech,
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  Speaker 2: and this past week we put out a major report.
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  Speaker 2: The report is entitled Weaponizing Terms of Service. How online
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  Speaker 2: service providers use broad policies to silence conservatives. Now, there
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  Speaker 2: are a lot of instances that we know about that
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  Speaker 2: get a lot of publicity. We know, for example, that Twitter,
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  Speaker 2: before Elon Musk purchased them, suspended the account of the
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  Speaker 2: Babylon be for making a joke about a Biden administration official.
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  Speaker 2: We know that both Facebook and Twitter suppressed stories about
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  Speaker 2: Hudter Biden's laptop before the twenty twenty election. We know
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  Speaker 2: that Facebook removed posts suggesting that COVID nineteen originated in
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  Speaker 2: a Wuhan lab we talked about at length on this podcast,
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  Speaker 2: and a theory that has now been confirmed both by
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  Speaker 2: the Federal Department of Energy and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
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  Speaker 2: We know that YouTube took down a March twenty twenty
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  Speaker 2: one video of a panel discussion with Florida Governor Ron
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  Speaker 2: de Santis, during which he disputed claims that children needed
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  Speaker 2: to wear face masks. We know that YouTube, also, which
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  Speaker 2: is owned by Google, blocked access to a November twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty three episode of this podcast Verdict, because we were
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  Speaker 2: criticizing the corporate media's favorable coverage of hamas, and YouTube
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  Speaker 2: deemed okay, you must be an adult to see what
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  Speaker 2: is on the network news. We also know in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty two, DirectTV dropped one America news network, and less
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  Speaker 2: than a year after Democrat leaders in Congress sent a
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  Speaker 2: letter to the CEO calling on them to stop carrying
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  Speaker 2: the network. We also know they did the same thing
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  Speaker 2: to Newsmax. Now I lit Direct TV up and they
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  Speaker 2: ended up bringing Newsmax back. We also know that Into
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  Speaker 2: it at the direction of its banking partners, refuse to
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  Speaker 2: provide payment processing and payroll services to gun manufacturers and sellers.
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  Speaker 2: And we know that JP Morgan Chase closed the account
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  Speaker 2: of the National Committee of Religious Freedom, which was created
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  Speaker 2: by former State Department Ambassador at Large for International Religious
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  Speaker 2: Freedom and former US Senator Sam Brownback. We know that
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  Speaker 2: gofund me block the release of ten million dollars of
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  Speaker 2: donations to the Canadian Trucker's Freedom Convoy. We've seen that
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  Speaker 2: happen over and over and over again. Well, what this
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  Speaker 2: report does is it lays out an entirely new area
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  Speaker 2: of discrimination, and it is using web based products and
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  Speaker 2: services online service providers to ban conservative organizations from using
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  Speaker 2: their technology, and it's going after the infrastructure that is
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  Speaker 2: needed to communicate. And in fact, this investigation reveals that
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  Speaker 2: online service providers are following a playbook for silencing conservatives
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  Speaker 2: that leftist organizations, including the Southern Poverty Law Center, which
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  Speaker 2: is wildly left wing and hates conservatives, and the Anti
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  Speaker 2: Defamation League the ADL, they together put together this strategy,
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  Speaker 2: this playbook to quote remove infrastructure services that conservative organizations
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  Speaker 2: need to operate. And so I'm going to describe that
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  Speaker 2: playbook and what they're doing in particular.
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  Speaker 1: When you look at their playbook and this amount of influence,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this can change and alter certainly an election cycle.
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  Speaker 1: It can certainly, I would argue, change a presidential election
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  Speaker 1: as well. And that's the reason why they're doing this.
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  Speaker 1: When you think about, you know, you've got millions of
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  Speaker 1: people that follow you Facebook. I've got you know, over
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  Speaker 1: a million. But if you turn off and throttle either
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  Speaker 1: one of us, then the reach that we have compared
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  Speaker 1: to the left, it just disappears. It's the old saying,
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  Speaker 1: right if a big tree falls in the forest and
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  Speaker 1: no one's around and it make a sound, And that's
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  Speaker 1: exactly what they did. But it wasn't just to one
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  Speaker 1: or two people. They were doing this to hundreds of
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  Speaker 1: top conservative voices that people look to for their opinions,
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  Speaker 1: specifically when it comes to election your issues.
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  Speaker 2: So that's exactly right. And what this report focuses on
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  Speaker 2: is it uses a couple of key examples. It uses
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  Speaker 2: number one slacks removal of libs of TikTok's workspace. It
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  Speaker 2: focuses on event rights removal of event pages for events
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  Speaker 2: related to Matt Walsh's What Is a Woman documentary, as
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  Speaker 2: well as an event where Riley Gaines was scheduled to speak,
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  Speaker 2: and it focuses on Bontera's termination of its relationship with
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  Speaker 2: Independent Women's Forum, which deprived that organization of major nonprofit
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  Speaker 2: technology service provider services and all of this follows. There
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  Speaker 2: was a report that was put out by the Anti
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  Speaker 2: Defamation League and it is called Bad Gateway How deplatforming
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  Speaker 2: effects extremist websites And here's what the ADL recommended. It says,
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  Speaker 2: quote deplatforming websites removing infrastructure services they need to operate,
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  Speaker 2: such as website hosting, can reduce the spread and reach
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  Speaker 2: of extremism and hate online. But when does deplatforming succeed?
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  Speaker 2: And here's what ADL explained quote. This report shows that
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  Speaker 2: deplatforming can decrease the popularity of extremist websites, especially when
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  Speaker 2: done without warning and they go through We learned four
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  Speaker 2: important lessons about how deplatforming affects extremist websites, by which
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  Speaker 2: they mean anything right of center. Number one, it can
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  Speaker 2: cause popularity rankings to decrease immediately. Number two, it may
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  Speaker 2: take users a long time to return to the website.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes the website never regains its previous popularity.
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  Speaker 1: Bingo.
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  Speaker 2: Number three unexpected and unexpected as key. Unexpected deplatforming makes
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  Speaker 2: it take longer for the website to regain its previous
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  Speaker 2: popularity levels. And number four Replicating deplatform services such as discussions,
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  Speaker 2: discussion forums or live streaming video products on a standalone
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  Speaker 2: website presents significant challenges, including higher costs and smaller audiences.
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  Speaker 2: Now I want to go into a little bit more.
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  Speaker 2: This is what the ADL report. It has an entire
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  Speaker 2: section that says what is deplatforming? And by the way,
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  Speaker 2: the corporate media insists when we talk about deplatforming that
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  Speaker 2: we're making it up. Well, if you actually read the blueprint,
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  Speaker 2: they are very explicit. The left is explicit. They want
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  Speaker 2: to silence use. So let me read from this ADL
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  Speaker 2: report quote. There are three main categories of infrastructure that
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  Speaker 2: keep websites running. Domain registrars, web hosting companies, and security
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  Speaker 2: protection companies. Number one, the website must be able to
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  Speaker 2: register and keep a domain name. A domain name such
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  Speaker 2: as Google dot com or ADL dot org is how
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  Speaker 2: visitors find a site. If a website is removed from
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  Speaker 2: domain name services, it becomes much more difficult, if not impossible,
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  Speaker 2: to find Number two Web hosting companies and content distribution
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  Speaker 2: networks provide digital storage space for all the files, pictures, videos,
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  Speaker 2: and software that make up the content of a website.
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  Speaker 2: When a website loses its hosting provider, the site's content disappears.
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  Speaker 2: Losing a CDN a content distribution network can cause slow
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  Speaker 2: service for high traffic sites. And number three, a third
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  Speaker 2: category of infrastructure includes companies that protect websites from external
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  Speaker 2: security risks such as distributed denial of service d DOS attacks.
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  Speaker 2: DDoS attacks flood a website with fake traffic to overwhelm it,
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  Speaker 2: rendering it unable to answer normal user requests. If an
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  Speaker 2: infrastructure company, such as a network security firm cloud fare,
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  Speaker 2: refuses to provide DDoS protection to a vulnerable website, it
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  Speaker 2: is vulnerable to being flooded with traffic, rendering it inaccessible.
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  Speaker 1: So you look at this what we found out and
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  Speaker 1: what you just went through. The question is how is
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  Speaker 1: it that these companies, and I'm specifically referring to big
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  Speaker 1: tech are allowed to get away with this and do
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  Speaker 1: this to many people that they're in business with. I
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  Speaker 1: use myself as the example again because I've experienced this.
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  Speaker 1: When you went into business and I felt like I
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  Speaker 1: was in business with Facebook. They said, advertise with us, right, share,
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  Speaker 1: advertise your show, advertise your content, boost your content, spend
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  Speaker 1: money with us, and we're going to help you grow
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  Speaker 1: an audience and it'll be good for everyone. And then
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden they just shut you down and
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  Speaker 1: they were able to walk away and just say, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: you violated our terms of service, or you did this,
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  Speaker 1: or you posted too many things that liberals posted as
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  Speaker 1: saying they were factually incorrect. The fact checkers came out
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  Speaker 1: right the liberals on the left. They were fact checking
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  Speaker 1: and putting things against conservatives. So they lose their reach,
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  Speaker 1: lose their ability to boose posts, lose their ability to advertise.
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  Speaker 1: And it was all being done to clearly influence public opinion,
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  Speaker 1: and yet they've gotten away with it. So what's next.
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  Speaker 2: Well, with this report focuses on many of the deep
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  Speaker 2: platforming steps by Facebook or Twitter or YouTube, they're very public.
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  Speaker 2: What this report focuses on as the ones that are
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  Speaker 2: not public, which is the back office infrastructure. Let's take
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  Speaker 2: for example, Slack, which is used for communication for many
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  Speaker 2: online organizations and companies. Slack canceled libs of TikTok's workspace
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  Speaker 2: for violating its terms of service and the terms of
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  Speaker 2: service for prohibit users from quote engaging activity that incites
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  Speaker 2: or encourages violence or hatred towards it against individuals or groups.
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  Speaker 2: Slack determined that Libs of TikTok violated this policy based
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  Speaker 2: on three social media posts concerning quote gender affirming, hysterectomies,
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  Speaker 2: and all age drag shows. Now here's the interesting thing.
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  Speaker 2: Slack shut down Libs of TikTok's worksplace without any warning,
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  Speaker 2: without any explanation as to how it is violated slacks policy,
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  Speaker 2: and Slack's action caused Libs of TikTok to effectively lose
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  Speaker 2: its use of Slax communications and forced it to rely
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  Speaker 2: entirely on cell phones to run its business. Now, listen
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  Speaker 2: to this quote, which is fascinating, Slack told the Commerce
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  Speaker 2: Committee told my investigation quote. What makes Libs of TikTok's
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  Speaker 2: posts problematic is that Libs of TikTok has a specific audience,
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  Speaker 2: and they are taking this information and posting it to
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  Speaker 2: that specific audience so that everyone in that audience sees
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  Speaker 2: it at the same time. In other words, they didn't
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  Speaker 2: even find objections with what Libs of TikTok was posting.
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  Speaker 2: What they were mad at is conservatives were reading it
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  Speaker 2: and that was enough reason to deplatform libs TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: So when you shut down a business in essence the
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  Speaker 1: way they did, is there any real an instant relief
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  Speaker 1: for libs of TikTok or others or is this one
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  Speaker 1: of those they're too big to fail? Right? These companies
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  Speaker 1: are too big, they're protected and you're the menion and
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  Speaker 1: just deal with it. And if you're in, who cares
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  Speaker 1: if your life work is destroyed in thirty seconds because
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  Speaker 1: they shut it off.
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  Speaker 2: So right now there is not immediate relief. You could
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  Speaker 2: presumably file a breach of contract case. The biggest relief
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  Speaker 2: and the reason I did this report is just sunshine.
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  Speaker 2: They're doing this in the dark, They're doing this without scrutiny.
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  Speaker 2: There is right now no federal law that this is prohibited.
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  Speaker 2: I'll give you another example. Event Bright, which we focus
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  Speaker 2: is on. Event Bright canceled pages for events hosted by
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  Speaker 2: college Republican clubs concerning Matt Walsh's What Is a Woman? Film?
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  Speaker 2: And it also canceled pages for an event featuring swimmer
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  Speaker 2: Riley Gaines for violating its terms of service. Now critically,
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  Speaker 2: no one involved in the decision. This is what they told.
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  Speaker 2: The committee watched the movie What Is a Woman, so
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  Speaker 2: they never saw it, and they couldn't identify anything objectionable
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  Speaker 2: in the trailer, So they just didn't like the topic,
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  Speaker 2: so they decided to take it down. They relied instead
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  Speaker 2: on Matt Walsh's statements about quote gender affirming surgeries, pronouns,
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  Speaker 2: and is Johnny the Walris Children's book to reach the conclusion. Likewise,
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  Speaker 2: event Bright de that Riley gains His event violated its
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  Speaker 2: policy based on her social media post about biological men
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  Speaker 2: competing women's sports. They shut down the event page without
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  Speaker 2: any warning, without any explanation as to how they violated
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  Speaker 2: this policy, without any way to fix it, and their
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  Speaker 2: actions ruined advertisements that included QR coach for the event pages.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, a lot had been done to put
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  Speaker 2: out the codes to say hey, come to this event,
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  Speaker 2: and they forced the event organizers to quickly pivot to
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  Speaker 2: a new method of providing tickets. And the committee asked
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  Speaker 2: event Bright whether Gaines's statements. On October tenth, twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 2: she posted on Twitter quote real women lack a y chromosome,
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  Speaker 2: and we asked whether that violates event Bright's policy. Event
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  Speaker 2: Bright responded that quote the post speaks for itself, so
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  Speaker 2: they needn't answer that. How dare you say that someone
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  Speaker 2: with a Y chromosome is not a woman. We don't
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  Speaker 2: even need to dispute it. We have the power to
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  Speaker 2: shut it down.
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  Speaker 1: they do it again?
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  Speaker 2: Or I'll ask you, Ben, have you seen this on CNN?
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: No?
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Have you seen it on an ABC, NBCCBSMSNBC nowhere? Have
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: you read it? You read it in the New York Times?
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: No?
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: No, the corporate media will not cover. I'll give another example.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: So Bonterra, which provides nonprofit management services, so it's back office,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: but it's incredibly important and there are very few providers
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: of this. They denied those services to Independent Women's Forum,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: which is a conservative organization that is focused on advancing
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: women's rights, and Bontera concluded that it violated its policies,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: which require customers to agree to refrain from advocacy denying
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: quote LGBTQ rights or denying a woman's right to reproductive choice.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Or denying racial justice or denying climate change, and their
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: policies also prohibit customers from quote promoting, encouraging, or facilitating
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: hate speech, violence, discrimination based on race, color, sexual orientation,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: marital status, gender, or identity expression. Bonterra notified Independent Women's
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Form of its decision not to renew their contract without
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: any explanation of how the organization violated this policy. As
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: a result, Independent Women's Forum had to quickly move off
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Bonterra's platform and obtain a replacement services provider. Bontera told
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: the committee that Independent Women's Forum violated its true terms
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: of service because the organization quote works to restrict the
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: rights of the LGBTQ community. Bontera could not explain exactly
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: how the group was working to restrict LGBTQ rights, but
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: generally pointed to Independent women forums advocacy on issues like
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: protecting women's sports and women's spaces. So, if you actually
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: think that girls should compete in girls sports, that is
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: of view that is not acceptable, and you will be
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: denied online basic infrastructure from monopoly and near monopoly providers.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: The amount of arrogance that we see now from these companies,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: you've witnessed it now firsthand. Tells you they feel like
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: they are protected by the current regime. Am I wrong?
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: You are exactly right. And if you look at at
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: event Bright for example, let's go back to Riley Gains.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: So Riley Gains, they shut her down because they disagree
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: read about not her event, but about some posts that
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: she had put out. What they did not object to
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: was an event that we identified entitled Gaza and the
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Struggle for Palestine. Now, that event was flagged by event
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: writes algorithm, and it was reviewed by its trust and
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: safety team, but it determined that that event did not
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: violate its hateful Events policy in an October ninth, twenty
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: twenty three statements. So two days off after October seventh,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: here's what the event sponsored the Palestinian American organization Networks said.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: It called the October seventh attack quote self defense measures
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: and said that quote Israel bears the full responsibility for
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: those attacks, and declared that quote the Palestinian people have
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: the right to defend themselves and to fight the occupation
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: with all means available. We salute the steadfastness of the
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Palaceian people in its resistance. So understand saluting the mass
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: murder of twelve hundred people. The raping of women and girls,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: that does not violate their hateful speech policy, But saying
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: that girls exist that does. Saying that men should not
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: compete against women and women's sports that does. That is
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: the utter hypocrisy and double standards that allows. By the way,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: event Bright has also allowed numerous quote stop Cop City
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: events which support violent protesters who oppose the building of
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: a police and firefighter training facility. Likewise, event Bright created
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: a map of Black Lives Matter protests, many of which
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: turn violent, to help users find them. So, in other words,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: actual events that produce violence, that end up killing people,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: that burn shops, that firebomb cars, those are not deemed
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: hateful and violent. But if you say that women exists,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: you must be deplatformed.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: We talked about the media giving them cover. I expect
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: some in the media to be liberal hacks, right, but
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: this brings up a big issue that we need to
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: talk about with NPR. The new CEO of NPR is
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: someone that is paid by US taxpayers and someone who
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: has described the First Amendment as the number one challenge
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: she faces. Our tax dollars are going to a CEO
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: who's running INPR National Public Radio saying the First Amendment
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: really seems to get in her way. Really, that's where
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: money is going. Well.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, NPR has been profoundly corrupted, and it's been made
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: worse by hiring a CEO who is a brazen, blatant,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: unapology jic, radical leftist, and she doesn't pretend to be
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: unbiased at all. Now, we discussed in a previous podcast
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago the Bombshell Report from Uri Berliner.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Uri Berliner was a twenty five year NPR employee and
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: was the former business editor of NPR, and he wrote
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: an April ninth essay in The Free Press, which resulted
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: in NPR suspending him for publishing how's that for free speech?
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: If you criticize us, you're out of here and you're
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: all fine, and ultimately led to his resignation. So he's gone.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: This essay cost him his job, but he laid out
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: the incredible bias at NPR and the shift at NPR. So,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: for example, he laid out in twenty eleven, which was
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: not that long ago, NPR's audience was twenty six percent conservative,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: twenty three percent middle of the road, and thirty seven
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: percent liberal, so it leaned left. But not dramatically, so
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: by twenty twenty three those numbers that shifteddically. It was now,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: instead of thirty seven percent liberal, it was sixty seven
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: percent liberal, and instead of twenty six percent conservative, it
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: was only eleven percent conservative. And mister Berliner laid out
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: details of how they would stifle stories that were inconvenient
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: to liberals. They would amplify stories like the Russia collusion story,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: even if they were not supported by the facts. He
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: outlined at great length how NPR had no interest in
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: being impartial, being unbiased. And then you take in the
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: wake of this and the wake of what should be
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: real concern of Hey, we're national public radio. We're supposed
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: to be nonpartisan. We're supposed to be down the middle. Now, look,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: I for one have serious doubts why the taxpayer should
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: fund any radio station. I think there are plenty of
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: for profit radio stations. I don't know why the government
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: should coursively tax you to pay for yet another radio station.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what. Even if there's an argument
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: they should do so for generic news that somehow there's
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: not a market demand for, there is no argument I
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: know of that they should do so only for left
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: wing propaganda and the newly appointed CEO Catherine Marr has
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: been a hard partisan her whole life. So, for example,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, Mar referred to President Donald Trump as
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: a quote deranged racist sociopath. Well, then I'm confident her
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: coverage of Donald Trump will be fair as long as
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: she introduces him as a deranged, racist sociopath every time
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: he's covered.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: How do you even get that job? And I'm being serious,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: if you're National Public radio, how does that automatically disqualify
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: you from that position as soon as they see that quote?
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, that's not an outlier. In
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, she celebrated trump banishment from social media,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: referring to him as a fascist. So she loves censorship, Okay,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: the former president of the United States elected by the
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: American people. I'm thrilled that he's being silenced because I
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: dislike his politics and I think he's a fascist. In
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: May of twenty twenty, right in the middle of the
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: George Floyd riots, Mar suggested that looting represented a form
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: of reparative justice for historic wrongs, and she remarked how
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: white silence is tantamount to complicity and violence. She's also
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: posted repeatedly in support of Democrat politicians including Hillary Clinton,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, and Joe Biden. Now listen, as
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: a private citizen, she has a right to be an
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: angry left wing radical and a hard Democrat partisan. But
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: explain to me why on earth the American taxpayers should
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: fund her partisan propaganda.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and yet that's exactly why she probably got the job,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: because they're like, oh, perfect, You're going to keep pushing
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: this propaganda out there full speed ahead. I want to
• 30:12
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• 31:57
  Speaker 1: you are at NPR, can you imagine if you are
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: left the lefty how much freedom I think it would
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: make you feel like you had to then go out
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: there and continue to push propaganda on the American people.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: If this is your CEO, I mean it's a license
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: to basically go all in on liberal propaganda at the
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: taxpayer's expense.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Now, that is exactly right. And I've got to say listen.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: As you know, I'm the ranking member on the Senate
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Committee of Commerce, Science, and Transportation, and part of my
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: responsibility in that role, we've got jurisdiction over about forty
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: percent of the US economy, and part of my responsibility
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: is oversighted. I can tell you that I am actively
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: engaging in oversight right now, calling on NPR to explain,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: to explain why they're willing to put in place a
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: hard left wing activist, not a neutral journalist, but someone
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: who is biased, who is who is an active supporter
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: of sensorship, to violence, to silence the views she disagrees with.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Why NPR believes that that is an appropriate leader for
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: their institution.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really great point.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: And listen, don't necessarily take our words for it. I
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: want you to listen to Catherine Maher in her own words,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: because it's going to show just how radical she is.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: And I want to play a couple of clips. Let's
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: start with her explaining that, in her view, the number
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: one challenge that she faces is the First Amendment of
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: the Constitution. Let's play that clip.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: The number one challenge here that we see is, of course,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: the First Amendment in the United States is a fairly
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: robust protection of rights, and that is a protection of
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: rights both for platforms, which I actually think is very
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: important that platforms have those rights to be able to
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: regulate what kind of content they want on their sites,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: but it also means that it is a little bit
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: tricky to really address some of the real challenges of
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: where does bad information come from and sort of the
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: influence peddlers who have made a real market economy around it.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's amazing center. This is the woman running MPR,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: and I guess this is almost like the best thing
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: you can put on your resume, right, You're like, hey,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: I think the First Amendment's a real problem. It's like perfect,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: We'd love to hire you at MPR.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And she actually says, well, the First Amendment is
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: really important for platforms, but then what she describes as
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: their First Amendment right is for their ability to censor
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: and silence things they disagree with. So to her mind,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: what she cares about is the ability if there's a
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: view that is right a center. As far as she's concerned,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: the First Amendment is all about silencing those views. There
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: can be no dissent, all right. I want you to
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: listen to another clip. This is a Ted talk where
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: she's discussing truth when she was at Wikipedia, and somehow
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: she has a different view of truth than I think
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: you and I might have. Give a listen.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: But the hard things, the places where we are prone
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: to disagreement, say politics and religion, Well, as it turns out,
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: not only does Wikipedia's model work there, it actually works
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: really well because in our normal lives, these contentious conversations
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: tend to rrupt or disagreement about what the truth actually is.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: But the people who write these articles, they're not focused
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: on the truth. They're focused on something else, which is
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: the best of what we can know right now. And
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: after seven years of working with these brilliant folks, I've
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: come to believe that they are onto something that perhaps,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: for our most tricky disagreements, seeking the truth and seeking
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: to convince others of the truth might not be the
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: right place to start. In fact, our reverence for the
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: truth might be a distraction that's getting in the way
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: of finding common ground and getting things done. Now, that
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: is not to say that the truth doesn't exist nor
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: is it to say that the truth is and important. Clearly,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: the search for the truth has led us to do
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: great things, to learn great things. But I think if
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: I were to really ask you to think about this,
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: one of the things that we could all acknowledge is
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: that part of the reason we have such glorious chronicles
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: to the human experience in all forms of culture is
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: because we acknowledge there are many different truths. And so
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: in the spirit of that, I'm certain that the truth
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: exists for you and probably for the person sitting next
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: to you, But this may not be the same truth.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: This is because the truth of the matter is very
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: often for many people. What happens when we merge facts
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: about the world with our beliefs about the world. So
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: we all have different truths. They're based on things like
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: where we come from, how we were raised, and how
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: other people perceive us.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: What utter garbage? Like every word of that. You want
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: an indictment of the modern left. You want an indictment
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: of the idiocy of media. You want an indictment of
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: the academic world. You want an indictment of big tech.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Good God, what utter garbage? Truth doesn't exist? George or
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Well is spinning in his grave and laughing at the
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: same time. Two plus two doesn't equal four, it equals
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: five because we say it is there is no truth.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Listen to that quote. Our reverence for the truth might
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: be a distraction that's getting in the way of finding
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: common ground and getting things done. But don't worry. This
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: is only for things that don't matter, the contentious issues.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: What does she identify politics and religion? When it comes
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: to politics and religion, look, Jesus Christ said, I am
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: the way the truth in the life. But no, no, no, no, no,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: no no, don't have reverence for truth. We're not interested
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: in that. We are interested in set aside of truth.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: That can be your truth, my truth. Everyone has a truth.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Maybe for you, two plus two is five? What utter garbage?
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: You know what?
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: A journalist is supposed to be interested in the truth.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Do you have perfect truth?
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: No?
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Do you have perfect knowledge? No? But you should get
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: damn close to it. You should be trying to get
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: to the truth. Remember what journalists used to learn? Who? What, when?
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Where? How?
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: What happened? What are the facts? Well? No, no, no, not
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: according to her. According to to her, there are no facts.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: There is no truth. It's your truth, it's my truth,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: and my truth from Catherine Marr's perspective is as a
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: left wing partisan, whatever the orthodoxy is, and we will
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: silence views that disagree. And the First Amendment is a pesky,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: pesky barrier. All right, I want to play one more clip. Yeah,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: one more clip where she's describing what she did at Wikipedia.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Listen to this third clip.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: I started by talking about the idea of free and
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: open as some of our founding principles sort of free
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: and open source coming from me to the open source community. Well,
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: I have come to the opinion and the perspective that
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: free and open was a way of looking at the
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: world that was inherently limited relative to what we were
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: trying to achieve. Free and open has the best of intentionality,
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: but in the end, what free and open often ended
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: up doing, and particularly in the case of Wikipedia, was
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: really recapitulating many of the same power structures and dynamics
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: that exist offline prior to the advent of the Internet.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: And so what we ended up seeing was Wikipedia really
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: rebuilt this idea of knowledge as a whole around what
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: the Western canon. You see the exclusion of communities of
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: languages because of the ways in which Wikipedia is based
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: on reliable sources. The idea of a written tradition is
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: something that is particular to many I mean not sorry,
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: the idea of a written tradition which is particular to
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: some cultures and not to others. The ways in which
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: we I ascribe notability often really comes from sort of
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: this white male, westernized construct around who matters in societies
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: and who is elevated in whose voices, and so some
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: of these ideas of sort of this radical openness really
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: did not end up with the intention I really did
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: not end up living into the intentionality of what openness
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: can be.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, that just is brilliant right there, God bless so.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Look she's explaining at Wikipedia, they deliberately abandon a quote
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: free and open approach. By the way she's telling you
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: what she's gonna do at NPR. NPR is not going
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: to be free and open, according to her, because she
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: doesn't believe in free and open. Why because free and
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: open number one, she says, Well, that advantages cultures that
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: believe in the written word. Because you know what good
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: has book learning ever done anyone? Well, heck, you're forgetting
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: those cultures that don't believe in that fancy learning stuff
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: like what utter garbage. I'm sorry, I thought actually a
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: journalistic outfit should actually reflect celebrate the best of education,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: of learning, of what we know. But she says, no, no, no, no.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: If it's actually free and open, will recapitulate a white male, westernized,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: westernized construct. Let me ask you something, Ben, what the
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: hell does that mean? Seriously? Those are the words Marxist use,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: and typically the more syllables they use when they get polysyllabic,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: the less they're making any sense. So explain to me
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: the phrase recapitulate a white male, westernized construct that does
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: not end up living into the intentionality of what openness
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: can mean. Those words have no content other than I
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: want the power to silence things I don't like. Am
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: I wrong?
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: No, you're right. And my question goes back to this
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: for you. It used to be at MPR and others
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: they would at least fake it like their bias. Now
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: it's just flat out open and they're doing it with
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: our tax tours. Is there ever going to be a
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: day of reckoning where MPR finds out, hey, good luck,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: do your own thing, because we're not going to pay
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: for this proper again anymore.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Look, if NPR cares at all about journalistic integrity, if
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: they care at all about continuing to receive taxpayer funds,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: they should terminate Catherine Marr immediately. Her job should be done.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: They should not have a rabid left wing partisan who
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: hates the First Amendment, who've used it as an inconvenience,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: who wants to censor conservatives, who is actively explicitly and
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: unabashedly opposed to free and open communication, who doesn't believe
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: in truth, who believes truth is an impediment to what
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: she's doing. That is not a journalist in any way.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: She ought to go and join Emily's list, she ought
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: to go and join the DNC. She gotta go run
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: for Congress and become a henchman to Nancy Pelosi. She
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: should not actually be running a news organization, especially not
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: a news organization funded by the taxpayers. And if we
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: have to be honest, if you had a Democrat who
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: had a shred of integrity, they would say, of course,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: this is not appropriate for her to run NPR. The
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: chances of that happening are zero, But I can tell
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: you I'm going to be pushing for accountability and I'm
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: going to be pushing for oversight of it because it
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: is brazenly shameless for them to put someone so wildly
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: unqualified in that position.
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