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Chef Marcus Samuelsson, Rachel Hollis, Ashley M. Fox & Marlon Evans · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: this week all award winning chef Marcus Samuelson, New York
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  Speaker 1: Times best selling author Rachel Hollis, financial expert, Ashley and
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  Speaker 1: Fox and Marlon Evans will be discussing hptuuth scholarship. Money
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  Speaker 1: My next guest is Mark Chef, but the word chef
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  Speaker 1: in front of him. Marcus Samuelson. He's an award winning chef,
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  Speaker 1: restaurant tour, bestselling author, TV personality, philanthropists, and food activists.
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  Speaker 1: His callingary career spans over twenty five years, has numerous
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  Speaker 1: restaurants in the US and internationally, including The Red Rooster,
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  Speaker 1: Marcus B and B in Order, Marcus Marcus Montreal, and more.
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  Speaker 1: His newest book is called The Rise, Black Cooks and
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  Speaker 1: the Soul of American Food. The book is celebrating contemporary
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  Speaker 1: Black cooking, highlighting the food culture and history and stories
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  Speaker 1: and recipes. The book covers the diverse contributions and and
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  Speaker 1: traditions that influenced Black cooking and American culture from African
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  Speaker 1: African continent to the Caribbean and US. Where a lot
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  Speaker 1: of talked about about the process of creating the book,
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  Speaker 1: calling it naming it The Rise Black Cooks and the
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  Speaker 1: Soul of American Food? Why did he write the book?
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  Speaker 1: How to decide? This was the next book that he
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  Speaker 1: wanted to do. So he's here, y'all, please working to
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  Speaker 1: money making conversation. Chef Marcus Samuelson. Thank you so much
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  Speaker 1: for having me. I'm excited to be here, my man.
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  Speaker 1: I don't tell you something when you write a book
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  Speaker 1: like that. First of all, you love food, don't you, Chef.
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  Speaker 1: You just love food. Let's get that out. Let's get
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  Speaker 1: that out front. Because when I see when I've read
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  Speaker 1: past books and just followed your TV, that's like a
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  Speaker 1: twinkle in your eye because you you're you. I love
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  Speaker 1: the way you dressed too, So I'm a I'm a
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  Speaker 1: clothes man. So so I see. I've interviewed a lot
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  Speaker 1: of chefs over the years. You're probably the best dress
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  Speaker 1: chefoo to date, can you. I can say that I
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  Speaker 1: also love food that more than anybody else. That is
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  Speaker 1: the kitchen give me likely to travel and in my
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  Speaker 1: dream all over the world, and I'm very very grateful
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  Speaker 1: for that. And of course that's a black man. You
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  Speaker 1: gotta bring you stop with it. I'm chef, give yourself,
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  Speaker 1: you do, man, because everybody don't have that style. You
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  Speaker 1: got the hats, got the vest. You like light colors, green, yellow,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know how to put it together, patterns
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  Speaker 1: squares say, I wire a lot of tailor clothes and so,
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  Speaker 1: so you're much more daring. But I just say that
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  Speaker 1: in a in a complimentary way, because I'm you know,
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  Speaker 1: I wear a lot of suits. You know, my blog
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  Speaker 1: is amazing, right, living in Hall, you know this. It
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  Speaker 1: took an amazing village, you know. So my neighbor is
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  Speaker 1: right right. So whatever I put on, I'm still far
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  Speaker 1: behind because the man everything. You know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Because I lived in New York. I lived the last
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  Speaker 1: time I was up in New York, I was up
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  Speaker 1: Steve Harvey. I was up there from two thousand five
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  Speaker 1: to two thousand seven, and I lived at forty thirty
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  Speaker 1: nine in First and then previously when I was up
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  Speaker 1: there was an eight six and first I was all
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  Speaker 1: always up in the hallm And I've been buying your restaurant,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, I've not met you, but I've been
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  Speaker 1: by because when it opened, it was always it was
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  Speaker 1: always hard to get in. It was always hard to
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  Speaker 1: get in, Okay, always like which is a compliment. It's
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  Speaker 1: a compliment, Okay. Now, so tell us about the restaurant
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  Speaker 1: uh in in Harlem and UH and tell us how
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  Speaker 1: the let's let's talk about the reality of where we
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  Speaker 1: live in today, the COVID nineteen and how these country
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  Speaker 1: has been shut down in New York State is still
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  Speaker 1: dealing with a lot of issues. Talking about that in
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  Speaker 1: your business, Yeah, No, we had to. On Muchis Team,
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  Speaker 1: we had a big decision to make. We had to
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  Speaker 1: pivot from being a traditional Western to be the community kitchen.
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  Speaker 1: Got partnered with my man jos Andres from Away Center
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  Speaker 1: Kitchen and we started third a thousand people, twelve hundred people,
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  Speaker 1: fifteen hundred people a day. So the six months rate
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  Speaker 1: from Marches team until just last week we served over
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  Speaker 1: two hundred thousand meals. We did the same in regroustern
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  Speaker 1: Overtown in Miami, and we did the same in Newark
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  Speaker 1: where actually it might could be Jordan's helpless to do
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  Speaker 1: that because you know where restaurants are gone in our community,
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  Speaker 1: so is our neighborhood. Right, So it's very important for
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  Speaker 1: me to really go back to what what what can
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  Speaker 1: we imagine chefs of first responders imagine us out there
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  Speaker 1: and and saving and be part of restoring the community.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what we did, and it was a powerful
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  Speaker 1: And then I read about that and because of the
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  Speaker 1: fact that you know, black restaurants in general, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of more than ready for the for the for the
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  Speaker 1: business model, the new business model to go uber eats
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  Speaker 1: and all that service because there was traditional sit and
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  Speaker 1: dining facilities and so so a lot of suffered. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of them didn't get the p P P check
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  Speaker 1: that enabled them to keep the doors open. But then
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  Speaker 1: out of all that, you've been able to publish a book.
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  Speaker 1: And in the book that cames out that we're about
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  Speaker 1: to discuss is called The Rise Black Cooks and the
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  Speaker 1: Soul of American Food. Now from Houston, Texas. So someone
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  Speaker 1: I like to consider that one of the hearts of
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  Speaker 1: the South Cities. And I also lived in Atlanta, Georgia. Atlanta,
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  Speaker 1: Georgia so so, and I've lived in Chicago. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: getting the range of who you're talking to here, Marcus,
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  Speaker 1: and I lived in Chicago four years. I lived in
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  Speaker 1: New York two years. I've been living in Atlanta since
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  Speaker 1: two thousand seven. I lived in Los Angeles fifteen years
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  Speaker 1: and I was born and raised in Houston, Texas, so
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  Speaker 1: I have and I have been all over this country
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  Speaker 1: and eight fantastic food. I still believe Chicago is the
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  Speaker 1: best place to eat across the board when we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about variety of Chicago. That's my estimate. Now you think
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  Speaker 1: it is the best place in this country to eat
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  Speaker 1: before we get it to your book. Well, well, I said,
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. There is a couple of places
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  Speaker 1: that people might not have us number one, But I
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  Speaker 1: tell you Houston it's a great frusy because it's very diverse.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of the most diverse cities in America, and
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  Speaker 1: people don't know about that because it's in Texas. Food
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  Speaker 1: to get the nice food of course, the black food
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  Speaker 1: that's comes out uh Houston, but also amazing Indian food
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  Speaker 1: and Mexican Mexican American of course, so used it's people
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  Speaker 1: great food as well. But I didn't want South selfish.
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  Speaker 1: You know people here from Houston. He would say that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, but Houston, I'm telling something. Dyning out in
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  Speaker 1: Houston is amazing because of the fact, like you said
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  Speaker 1: in a text, mex don't, Bobby Q, you don't. Oh
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  Speaker 1: my goodness, you know then you got that just down
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  Speaker 1: the road in New Orleans. So you've got that flavor
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  Speaker 1: coming into Houston. And they fish all the because we're
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  Speaker 1: in the Gulf of Mexico. So you've got all those
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  Speaker 1: varieties that you were talking about. And it is a
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  Speaker 1: very diverse city from from the type of from Indian
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  Speaker 1: food is fantastic there and and so so yes, you're
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  Speaker 1: you're right. So I will, I will put I always
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  Speaker 1: put a crown on my my my born city because
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  Speaker 1: it does deliver. But you're absolutely right. So now we're
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  Speaker 1: now we're talking about this this book here that you've written,
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  Speaker 1: that you created, and why this book, Marcus, why did
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  Speaker 1: you write this book? We had we had to because
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  Speaker 1: you know, just as American history around black culture, it's
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  Speaker 1: not great, so it's the same with food. And for me,
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  Speaker 1: it was very important with the chef with a big platform,
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  Speaker 1: important to me to connect the dogs that black excellence
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to food each be documented and there
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  Speaker 1: needs to be hats off to the incredible legacy of
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  Speaker 1: black chefs has done before us to set up this moment,
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  Speaker 1: right you you know, even from Thomas Jefferson's time, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, the black chefs that he had going up.
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  Speaker 1: Commissie A. Chase that you know ran her restaurant you
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  Speaker 1: could change, still going on in Orgust for seventy years,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Even some people that are
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  Speaker 1: not as known, like someone like Georgia Gilmore that you
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  Speaker 1: know was raised money from ok for the movement for example,
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  Speaker 1: that you have chefs like Superior Right that worked for
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  Speaker 1: chef Linda B. Johnson and she was the one convincing
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  Speaker 1: him that for the black right to vote for example
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  Speaker 1: four so chef's Black chefs have contributed in so many
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  Speaker 1: different ways. And then of course you look at something food,
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  Speaker 1: what we call today's sole food. You can't talk about
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  Speaker 1: American food without the black contribution. Think about creole cooking, right,
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  Speaker 1: think about barbecue. Wherever you find in the American history books,
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  Speaker 1: you can't find us. For me, it's really it's all
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  Speaker 1: of value publicistion. We have added. Course, we have a
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  Speaker 1: value proposition that it's not cannot be monolithic. We've added
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  Speaker 1: so much and it was important to documented and presented
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  Speaker 1: in any way. Wow, we're talking to I'm I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: to chef Marcus Samuelson. His book They Rise, Black Cooks
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  Speaker 1: and the Soul of American food. Now it's the book
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  Speaker 1: has broken up the five chapters, correct, you see the
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  Speaker 1: next the remix, the migration, the legacy, and the origin.
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  Speaker 1: And like I said that get little subtitles tied each
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  Speaker 1: or like the next where black food is headed. And
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  Speaker 1: then on the remix, black cooking integrates many cultures, which
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  Speaker 1: is so true. The migration, influence of the American South
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  Speaker 1: where I'm from, then the legacy, all the new journeys
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  Speaker 1: from Africa to America. Let's talk right there. Because the
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  Speaker 1: that Sporo I hopefully said that correctly, has been a
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  Speaker 1: type of meal that is suddenly appearing across this country.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I will tell you I was first exposed
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  Speaker 1: to it when I used to take my family down
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  Speaker 1: to UH to Disney World in Orlando, and they, uh,
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  Speaker 1: they had a menu that's completely in an African menu.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, they have a buffaith and that's what I
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  Speaker 1: was exposed to, that amazing spicy, diverse menu of African food.
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  Speaker 1: And also have another restaurant there which is one of
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  Speaker 1: the restaurants which is a menu driven restaurant as well.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what I got exposed to that food. Why
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  Speaker 1: has that been such an explosion of of the African
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  Speaker 1: menu in America. Well, I think because I think a
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  Speaker 1: couple of things, Internet and opportunity to mink and bridge
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  Speaker 1: like you can. Now you know a lot of my
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  Speaker 1: chef friends they're going to Lago Us to learn about
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  Speaker 1: two now the way they used to go to France
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  Speaker 1: or or or Italy. Right, that wasn't possible fixting twenty
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  Speaker 1: years ago. And I think about there's always been a
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  Speaker 1: black and forth between the continent of Africa and black excellent.
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  Speaker 1: You think about music, right, think about how Fella and
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  Speaker 1: all that African American Descisians used to go to Africa, Stevie.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody went to Africa to learn and now you have
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  Speaker 1: you know, afrobeats and you have hip hop. The take
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  Speaker 1: influences on that. So in music the link blues. Everyone
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  Speaker 1: knows where the blues truly come from, for example. But
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  Speaker 1: guess what. It wasn't just music that travel like that,
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  Speaker 1: It was also food. So Okra right, how did he
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  Speaker 1: get here? Of course it's a history with enslaved enslavery, right,
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  Speaker 1: very difficult histories talk about, but it also brought up
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  Speaker 1: the food that we had. So just as much as
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  Speaker 1: the music came from Africa and came to America as
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  Speaker 1: part of our black narrative. There's also linkish with the food.
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  Speaker 1: You know, peanuts, Okra, you states of American cooking comes
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  Speaker 1: from Africa, and for us it's not. Today it's an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to share and talk about it and take take
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  Speaker 1: something that was very dark and difficult to something positive. Well,
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  Speaker 1: here it really is and it's a it's a it's
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  Speaker 1: an interesting taste. A lot of colors. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: wanted my favor I think purple am So come on that, brother,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta tell I'm a fooding. Now I'm a food
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  Speaker 1: and now I love eating great food. Now let's as
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  Speaker 1: you say, legos and I ran across that planting men.
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  Speaker 1: You it's in your book. I believe it's in the
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  Speaker 1: next next chapter. Now see, I'm a guy. The reason
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  Speaker 1: I got excited about that because I'm a guy. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I go into the store that buying in the store,
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  Speaker 1: just reheat it. That's what I do. You know, or
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  Speaker 1: your brand was one of the brand's popular brands that
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  Speaker 1: I always had in my house. Okay, Now I see
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  Speaker 1: a nice little simple recipe in your book. Now with
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  Speaker 1: what you know, like I said, when you can. When
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  Speaker 1: you get these recipe books, sometimes they can be so
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  Speaker 1: daunting sometimes chef that that you're like, oh man, I
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  Speaker 1: can't cook nothing in this. But but your book is different.
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  Speaker 1: And also you the way you stylized your book because
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  Speaker 1: you're you're honoring chefs and restaurants across the country, and
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  Speaker 1: that was unique tape that I've never seen any any
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  Speaker 1: restaurant book. Because your boy, my boy, want to say,
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  Speaker 1: I want to call him my boar because I went
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  Speaker 1: up there interviewed the Mother Show and I told him
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  Speaker 1: my wife and I was gonna fly to Seattle and
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  Speaker 1: spend the anniversary and we did. Yeah, and he was shocked.
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  Speaker 1: I say, hey, man said look brother, look, I say,
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  Speaker 1: I go for good food. I looked online. I said, man,
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  Speaker 1: you've got some food that I want to eat. And
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  Speaker 1: I went up to June Baby in Seattle. And you're
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  Speaker 1: hear from me with that Nordwatle Jordan's straight out of Florida,
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  Speaker 1: Florida bar okay, love, we love talk. What we wanted
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  Speaker 1: to highlight, right, I wanted I want to there's so
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  Speaker 1: many block chefs in this country, but are amazing and
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  Speaker 1: Edward the Jordan is one of them, and so is
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  Speaker 1: someone like Corlor Hall, and so is someone a Ninsia Arrington.
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  Speaker 1: And what you ended up doing when you read the book,
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  Speaker 1: you can look at it a two ways. Hey, when
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  Speaker 1: we start the world up and open up again and
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna start traveling, you can look forward to go
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  Speaker 1: to Seattle and go to the World's West Park. You
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  Speaker 1: can look at this book at hey, I live in Atlanta. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: who in Atlanta should I link up with? Maybe your
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  Speaker 1: company wants to do a corporate buy out? Okay, good?
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  Speaker 1: Who is? Because the book after COVID, black businesses, black
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  Speaker 1: food entrepreneurs going to need our business more than ever.
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  Speaker 1: So this book not only did I do a deeper
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  Speaker 1: dive on forarded chefs of story tellers across the country,
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  Speaker 1: I also added another two black chefs and food writers
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  Speaker 1: in the back with their Instagram handle show no one
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  Speaker 1: can say to me, well, how do I find them?
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to find them. It's not hard to find them.
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  Speaker 1: In the ride. You can you can find every single one.
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  Speaker 1: And and wherever your community is, I can guarantee if
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  Speaker 1: someone is in wherever you live in the country is
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  Speaker 1: an amazing local black chef. Look her up. Look him up.
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  Speaker 1: He will need you more than ever. Alight you're listening
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to money making conversations. I'm your host, Sean McDonald.
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  Speaker 1: You know, here's the beauty of it. Left Beyonce one
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  Speaker 1: what you're doing because I follow you a little bit there,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because you're great chef. And when I saw
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  Speaker 1: what you're doing it, what do you do? Because this
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  Speaker 1: sounds something like I would if you need my support
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  Speaker 1: on social media to get the word out, because I'm
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  Speaker 1: a natural foodie and so but I've never heard of
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  Speaker 1: anybody doing what you're doing with a national platform kind
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  Speaker 1: of like uh phone book of restaurants that you can
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  Speaker 1: go and go and die. Fantastic, And because I travel
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: a lot, I'm very familiar with what you were talking about.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: And so I I have a call Rushaun Eats okay,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: and so on my social media, I got like almost
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: a million Facebook followers. I love. I started supporting these
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: on my my my post and say go here and
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: get photo. And that's what I do. Is what I
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: do is I do it every every Wednesday. I do
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: a Rushan Eats and I just go to a restaurant
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: or hear about a restaurant that's been recommended to me.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: I get about tin photos from that restaurant, and I
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: just tell people that should try it. And so if you,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: if you like me to, I support the calls and
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: make all my selections black owned restaurants from your book.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: I love that. That's that's what we need, right, Like
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: we're in a moment. Think about this. Most books and
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: content that is out there, we're not in it because
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: it was not support us. Right, So, the way we
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: can actually navigate through this very challenging period, because you know,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: COVID's going to stay in our communities longer than any others.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: You know, it's impacted us more than any other community
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: because a lot of healthcare and so on. The only
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: way we're gonna be able to have black entrepreneurship in
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: the food spake left it's by actually supporting each other.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: So what you're doing here with your plasts from you're
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: highlighting your broadcasting black excellence and comfortable and that was
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: for really what inspired me. Like it's like no market,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: you can't red roosters up. It's doing okay, it's doing well.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: You know, we're opening in Miami in a couple of weeks,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: so we're good. But it's not about me. This is
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: really about the legacies that we leave behind. And there
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: has to be a worse and the value system to
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: working through that I didn't. We'll give you an example.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Right when you think about brother Nearest Green Green. Nearest
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Green is the one that came up with the recipe
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: for Jack Daniels. He never got one dollar for coming
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: up with the recipe for Jack Dance. Now probably the
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: most famous liquor brand in the world, top five famous
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: with the brand in the world. Now, imagine if he
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: would have gotten ten cents on the dollar to you know,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: his family, his his extended family, maybe there would have
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: been the Nearest Green Museum, etcetera. Right when we get
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: written out out of the authorship of what we create,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: there's no link backs to us, and it does many
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: think as nomally be. It also tells other black people
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: that it's not there's no value to be in food. Right.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: You know, we brought barbege to this countrey. Yes, we
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: came up with the Bourbon's recipe for this country, in
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: this country, but yet completely on this aunt of the
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: ownership and the authorship of that. And so we have
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: to stop that. You have to support each other and
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: find each other because our own economy we can sustain
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: like businesses and restaurants by supporting each other. I know
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: that absolutely, and I agree, and that's that's why I
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: when I I on my show Money Making Conversations to
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: show about entrepreneurship, and I get the interview CEOs and
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: uh celebrities, entertainers and influencers, and I have chefs on
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: my show more than anything because I know that the
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: core of what we do in the black community is food,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: good food and being able to support and make you
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: guys really out of stars. You know, you just stars
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: are the other plate. You the stars of the kitchen,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't get recognized enough because we kind of
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: just see you cooking and you, like you said, earlier.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: There's so much more influence that comes out of the
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: kitchen based on who you talk to, who you serve,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: and who you communicate with. That sometimes it changes the
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: outlook of the world. Yeah, no, it is. And it's
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: also important because think about food. Our food rituals are old, right,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: like it's important to keep those in our community right.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: The other part is also health We can do better
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: than that. We need to know to teach our community
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: eat healthier, but also environmental. You know what I mean,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: We're gonna leave leave off the world in a better
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: place that we got it. Cooking has a lot to
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: do with that. How do you consume food? Where do
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: we buy it? How can we do any greener context? Now?
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Can we make sure, for example, diabetes in our community
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: is going to go down? Well? How we cook? How
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: we just to answer to that absolutely. Um talking to
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: chef Marcus Samuels on his fantastic book The Rise, Black
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Cooks and the Soul of American Food is who I'm
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: talking to right now. A couple of things from the book,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: like I said that left me mouth water in the
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: coconut fried chicken, because I'm gonna tell you some brother,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: coconut is my number one thing I love to cook with.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I've never ever made coconut fried chicken. And then then
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: you didn't you hit me with this right here, chef,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: the oxtail pepper pot with dumplings? Is that your take
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: on chicken and dumplets with a spin with the oxtails?
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Come on the exactly. You know we all love an
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: oxtail for you have been around about the huge that
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: saw that boxtail pepper pot with dumpless you that's that's good, man,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: that's good. And then and then and then so I'm
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: from Houston, Texas and wild berries. When I was a kid,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: my parents used to take me out and we just
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: go out and picked wild berries. Man, you did put
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: some sugar on them, and boy, that was the best
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: dessert we all. Yeah, just wild bearer and brother, I'll
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: tell you that's a dessert right there. Now in this
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: book you have the sweet wow berry. Tell us about that, well,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: you know berries. You know, I remember going my grandmother
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: picking berries, but you know, you never know what you
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: would get, you know when that's my whole point foraging
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: with you know, it's not something to put on Facebook.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Was actually something you know, if you didn't pick the barris,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I might get something on my neck for my grandma. Right,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: you know, you know those berries up, just bring them
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: back home and then you make a jam and then
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: you know, if you're lucky you have a lot left over,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: then you can you know, do a pie crust and
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: pick it. And that was the best pie ever, right
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: because as a child you were part of that. Whether
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: there was peeberries, whether that was a black cloors, whatever
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: it was, right, and us going out foraging, we didn't
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: know what we're going out for. We were looking with
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: fine blueberries. Were fine. Come and then they take me.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Watch that for the snakes, Now watch that for them snakes.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I tell a little truth markets and I tell a
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: little truth of course, and I was always scared about it.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: And I have my grandmother, My grandmother, she knew how
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: to cut the head off. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: my god, that's great talking to you, right. I hope
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: we maintain this relationship, man, because you're you're your strong
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: spirit and uh and these recipes like I'm would tell you,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: um what would call it the meal or something that.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: But this is something I've become, I've fallen in love
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: with and it's in your book, and I never and
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: for years I'll just pass it up. Cous coups. I
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: love that. I love it. And you have a recipe
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: called cous coups and roasted fig and I love. I
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: grew up I had a fig tree in my backyard,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: fig tree in the backyard, and we just go and
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: if anybody has a fig treet, you have figs forever.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: If you have a fig tree and you're like a
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: plump tree, they're just they're just there forever. And so
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: but I've never seen this mix before, talk about this
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: cous cools and roasted fig. Well, you know, if we
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: got to think about it, eating healthier and preusically so
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: light and bright, you know what I mean. And then
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: just you can add any fruit, like if you're in
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: the South, you can all sad peaches to that you need,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you know, said nuts. That's it's very easy, right, Sometimes
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: we have so much great food here and couse because
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: it's so easy to cook. Right, you can soak it
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: or just cook it for five minutes and steam it
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: and then just folding your peach or or your figs
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: for example some not some some beautiful freshure and you
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: have a snack. You have a lunch. If you roll
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: some chicken omber that now you have dinner. You know,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: so we've got to call. You know, we always have
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: to sort of mix up our sides, and that's really
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: the key being to buy being introduced to different foods.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: But you know, that's the key for us to change
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: our diets so we're not always eating the same and
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: that's really important. And when I go through this book,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: like I said, you've already been mentioned playing teams, that
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: coconut fried chickenstal pepper pot with dumplings, many more recipes.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I'm just I just picked out a few of my favorites. Okay,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: the couse coups and roastes, fig you know we're talking
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: about here. Here's something I was I wanted to talk
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: about at the Dukey Chase that's in New Orleans. I've
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: been there several times. Like I said, I live from Houston, Texas.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: So my best friend who's my best man and my wedding,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: he's from New Orleans. So I was always in New Orleans.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: So I'm very for me with Dukeye Chase. Now little
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Chase has a gumbo recipe in now Yeah, Now, I
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: want to get this straight here because see, I'm being
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: honest with you. I didn't see anything. People always here
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: to say the world rude. You gotta have a rue
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: for a gumbo. I don't know what that is. I'm
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: just gonna let you know. I just I cook it,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: just like Lear Chase, does you know, I just put
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: I put it all in the pot. It all goes well.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: And because my wife the other day, you know, she
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: was looking at the recipe. She's over there, you know,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: trying to get my rue right, I said, what are
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: you talking about? Yes, yes, well this is the thing
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: that both as you guys are right right. The rute
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: is really the flower and the butter makes of the flower,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: and the point max that you cook out and you
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: get that a little brown. Right. But what's happened how
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: the recipe has evolved this Back in the day, you
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: couldn't afford a lot of vegetables and a lot of
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: seafood to the way something was thicket was with a
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: thick rule which everybody could afford oil and flour. But
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: as today, as cooking is now asked, we can afford
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: more things. We've actually cut down on the rule and
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: adding more, ok, more, more vegetables and more secret into
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: it because the rule itself doesn't really have a great taste.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: So that's why the modern recipes the rule is kind
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: of cut out because that's all it is. It's flower.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: But you know, you're right, is right? Traditionally, go way back,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: a rule was definitely there for that. I mean, you're right,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: it is always right right. But looking at I can't.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I can't waste my time with that route. I'll taste
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: the boks. I was just like my girl Chase, I
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: just I just put it together just like that. She
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: uses fish stock. I used chicken stock. I'm gonna try
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: to fish and chicken stock this time. That sounds like
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: a good thing because that fish probably bring me a
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: little natural salt into that, which is really good for
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: my natural fock cooking. But but but I know we're
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: running out of time here, But I wanted to bring
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: up something that growing up, man, I grew up in
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: in the hood, all right, six brothers, two sisters. Both
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: my parents say that we lived in a two bedroom
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: shotgun house. Okay, And and so you know my daughter.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: My father was a truck driver and my mom used
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: to make hot water corn break Okay. And to this day,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I cannot get that. And then I ran across the
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: recipe hole cakes in your book. Yes, yes, you know.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: And that's the whole point about bringing out things quick thinks.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, think about it. So incredible our ancestor work, right,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: they had very little, but we still two three hundred
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: years later, still trading or these incredible recipes that our
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: ancestors has. The engeneous in black cooking. You can't take
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: it for you gott to appreciate it, and the only
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: to do that is to document it, share it and
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: tell stories. Right. So this this is you're really deep
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: in the book when you shop buying recipes like that
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: and it's like we did that, We did that, you
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. And that's what's really what this
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: book is about, is about celebrating block chefs past, present,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: and future. And that's what I wanted to tell you
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: a little bit about me and here because I wanted
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: to let you know how passionate and how detailed this
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: book is because it hit home so many ways with
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: me because my wife is from police Okay, so that
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: get that culture from there, you know what I'm saying.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: And so I've been fortunate to travel the world, especially
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: in the Caribbean. So I'm very for me with the
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: food down there. You know, Uh jerk pork is still
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: was the coolest or meat for me and so and
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: when I come across the book, you know is stripping grids,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: the fried chicken wattle, a pair of pair of sauce.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I'm going like, man, this is a fantastic book. But
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: on top of that, you know, the book I'm talking
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: about is The Rise Black Cooks and the Soul of
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: American Food. Is broken up into five chapters next Remixes.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: One chapter Migration, is one chapter Legacy and Origin. But
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: the fact that you're willing to promote the brand of
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: black restaurants throughout this country. I'm a champion your cars, Marcus.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be right there with you, man, and I'm
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: gonna start posting it every week in my social media,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: you know, and just and in this writing this book,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I just want to tell a little bit my life
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: to show you how impactful this books affects me. I'm
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: from the Inner City. I've been fortunate to travel all
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: over this world and I eat amazing food. A lot
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: of the restaurant, uh chef that you mentioned, a lot
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: of the restaurants I've been in and the fact that
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: you're taking the time to show support and strong support
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: for these black restaurants across the country. I'm gonna show
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: my I'm a piggyback on you. Every Wednesday, I'm gonna
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: start I'm gonna start tagging and and contacting them, getting
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: ten photos and and say this is Rushawan eats, this restaurant,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I'm recommending this black owned supported and UH and we
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: go from there, man, because your book you're amazing, I
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: know the first time we've ever talked. Man, and UH.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you and I value what you're trying to
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: bring to the game of UH. But also, let let's
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: trade numbers, man, because you need to do a document.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: That's what I do. Yes, that's what I do. I
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: don't know you know who I am, but that's what
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I do. But yeah, okay, now I would I got
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: that nine one seven number. I'm gonna call you back
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: on there. I'm gonna text you on the appreciate man.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I want to thank you for coming on Money Making Conversation.
• 30:39
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• 30:41
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  Speaker 1: you know I love her more specifically the hill Country
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  Speaker 1: just southside of Austin, which is a beautiful wooded area.
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  Speaker 1: She's on the show to discuss her new book. Didn't
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  Speaker 1: see that coming. Please, Welcome to Money Making Conversation. I'm
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  Speaker 1: calling my friend because she's a Texan girl. Rachel Hollis
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  Speaker 1: well based on right now. I got a home in Houston,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: but my headquarters in Atlanta, Georgia. So so I I
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: born in Houston, Texas with the high school with the
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: college there, got married in Houston, Texas. So Texas is
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  Speaker 1: my my birth state and my lifestyle state. So how
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  Speaker 1: does the field to live in Austin, my friend? And
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: how long have you been in Austin? It feels fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: I've been here a little over three years and moving
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  Speaker 1: out of Los Angeles into Austin, UH is one of
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  Speaker 1: the best decisions I've ever made in my life. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna just tell you this. I lived in Los
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  Speaker 1: Angeles fifteen years, Okay, so I know the full five
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  Speaker 1: at ten pm on a something that can be packed
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: like it's five pm, right, all right? I lived in
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: the first I lived in Hollywood right off for one
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  Speaker 1: on one and um Hollywood right there, and then I
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: lived off and then I moved to Librea right there
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: and right across from UH Libera topics. I lived in
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: that town homes over there, and then I closed it out,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: living in the palazzo right across from all the market
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  Speaker 1: farmers Market, right across from North have to walk out
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  Speaker 1: of the North room that street light. I walked through
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: the street light and not going to North room. That's
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  Speaker 1: how I convened my life or rateel very successful either way.
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  Speaker 1: I was living large. You're always living yond, right, But
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: that's what l A does for it gives allows you
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: the environment to live large. And then you move to
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Austin and it just it just like immediately slows down.
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  Speaker 1: So while was it important to have a move to
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  Speaker 1: Austin for you and the most important in your family? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think, uh, for for several reasons. The first the
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: impetus for the move was I am a business owner,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: and California is not very kind to business owners, but
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Texas is. Uh, that is exactly right. Uh. So I knew,
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  Speaker 1: I knew that I wanted to grow my company, I
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: wanted to grow my team, and I thought I had
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  Speaker 1: a better chance of doing that in a state that
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: was a little bit more forgiving, was much lower cost
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: of living, just really practical reasons for why. And Austin
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: was one of my favorite cities in the world still is,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: and so it made a ton of sense. But I
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: don't think I was even conscious of how much I
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: was going to love getting back to the country and
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: having space. And I mean, I'm doing this interview with you,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I'm looking I'm on a hilltop, I'm literally looking out
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: over just just beautiful land. And it feels like such
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: a blessing. Every single day in my life. I looked
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: out at this you and I never take it for granted.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so grateful to be here. You know, it's really
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: important to people understand what she's saying. Like, I grew
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: up in a little back store on me right. So
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  Speaker 1: I grew up in the in the hood. Uh uh,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: the six sisters, two brothers, both my parents, and the
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: two bedroom shotgun house. So space was always an issue.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: I was always on top of people and so and so,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: you know, people understand that created for a creative person
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  Speaker 1: like me, I have to have I have to I
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: have to be able to walk out and not bump
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: into people. And so my home in Houston doesn't a
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: gated community is really nice. But then my property in
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Atlanta is I have a little lake. And so when
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: I when I bought this property, I my wife, she founded,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: and I walked into the house and I said I
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: wanted to buy. My wife said, you know, to go
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: cheat like that. You just don't walk in the house
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: or something like that. Because I can look at the
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: back and I saw water, and water is such a
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: common thing to me, and so when I when I
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: when I bring that up because of the fact that
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  Speaker 1: you know these are triggers for you, and you talk
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: about that how because you're really big into therapy, and
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: these triggers are important that people understand how you can
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: find that place where you can calm your spirit, calm you,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: which in turn will will calm your body because a
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: lot of people also know the mental frame that you
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: can can affect you your body and a lot of
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: difficult and a lot of negative ways physically correct. Right.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: And And the thing that I want to say for
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: your listeners too, is neither you or I grew up
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: inside of privilege in having money, so like I grew
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: up super poor. Um a lot of really difficult stuff
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: in my childhood. And so I just want to say
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: for people who are listening who made me think like, oh,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: it's so easy for you guys to say fine space
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: or have of you or well all of those things.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I remember being a little girl and going into my
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: bed and closing my eyes and using my imagination to
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: imagine myself in a different world than the one that
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I lived inside of. I honestly didn't have the language
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: to call that manifesting or dreaming or naming big goals
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: at the time, but that truly was where I learned
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: how to do it. So you can envision the life
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: that you want. You can envision the space that you
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: are hoping for years before you ever make that thing manifest.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: So don't think that you need the money or the
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: house or the property in order to find that piece
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: for yourself. That really is something that you can do
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: through mindset and meditation. No, this is I'm talking to
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Rachel Hollis. Her book. Didn't see that coming. I'm gonna
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: tell you why I would live this first time I've
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: spoken to her. But you know, you meet somebody, you
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: read about them, and you do a little research, you go,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I love this person. Okay. First of all, I don't
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: know if you've heard this turn, but you know of
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: watching Instagram account and like the way you staying because
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: your your toes point inward, Okay, when you stayed there,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: that's called pigeon toad. I don't know if you know.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm pigeon told. Okay, so we're pigeon toad couple,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: your pigeon toe couple. Okay, okay, So so so that
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I said so I said was just pigeon to it.
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  Speaker 1: I love her. I love her. And then I'm reading
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: the book and she says, she says this funny line
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: and she talks about, you know, swallowing a watermelon seed
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: and you think a watermelon will grow in your stomach.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Raise your hand. That was Rashan McDonald. Ushan, I thought
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  Speaker 1: Santa Claus was real. I'm just gonna let you know.
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  Speaker 1: That's how that's how simple in my mind. That's how simple,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: my mond and so and so. Then another thing I
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: laughed out loud, and I was so fun just listening
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: in your book. Was the was the because was the
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: birth mark? The little mold? Oh my god, I wanted
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: the birth mark so bad. That's hilarious, you know. I
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: just I just wanted a little mold somewhere so I could.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: That's my little sexy spot right there. That's my that's you.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: And you got it right there, you know, and you're
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: talking you talk about so so we hit it off
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: where we eat it off in four wats Austin, Texas. Okay,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: then you're a pigeon toe, and a lot of people
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: to tell a pigeon toe unless your pigeon toe, you
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about Okay, you don't know
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: what that means. And then she has a beautiful birthmark.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: And then she actually believed she swallowed the water melons.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: A watermelon will grow your stomach, Rasha McDonald. Well, and
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: in the book, the reason I'm talking about the watermelon
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: seed is that I want to ask you, as a reader,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: what are the things that you used to believe as
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: capital t truth that you now know we are not true?
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Because if you held onto the belief about Santa Claus
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: or the Easter bunny or you know, the you know,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: if I if I swallow an apple seed like it's
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: poison and it's gonna kill me, then you can ask
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: yourself what, as an adult right now, what limiting belief?
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: What thing are you holding onto right now that could
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: also not be true? And that is especially powerful when
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: the thing that you believe is about your own self
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: and your own abilities. Right Like, I feel like when
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: people grew grow up without not a lot of things
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: that they they sort of go one of two ways.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: They either have that become their reality. Like the world
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: is out to get me. I'll never get ahead, I'll
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: never have anything. My family doesn't have the resources they
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: have all of these things that they keep telling themselves
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: or you maybe did what you and I do, which
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: is like, Okay, I didn't. I didn't come from anything,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: but by God, I have the ability to wake up
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: today and try my best, and I can learn and
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: use resources that are out there that are free, and
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I can grow and become something more. So, what are
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: the things that you used to believe that are actually,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: you know, for a factor, not true. Well, dang, what
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: are you holding onto right now in your life that
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: maybe need to let go of as well? And that's
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: that's so true, because let let's go back to my belief.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: There was a Santa Claus okay, and I was born
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: and raised in the hood, so I was holding them
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  Speaker 1: to anything that I felt it made me feel good,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: that made me feel that could take me away from
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: the world that I knew wasn't the world I wanted
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: to be in because I lived in want the community
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: to the until I was ten years old, and then
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: we moved up to a little bit better black neighborhood.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: But still when I walked outside, it looked like the
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: same neighborhood. Black people all around me. You know. I
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: got on the bus and black people getting on the bus.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: So it wasn't like my environment changed. It was just
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: that my lifestyle got upgraded a little bit. And so
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: I believe, and I'm telling you honestly, Rachel, I believe
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: in Santa Claus. I was fifteen years old. I really did.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: I believe, and so I did not the bubble was
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: burst when my dad woke me up. Okay, woke me up.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: He come on board. We gotta put these bikes together.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Go bikes together, what you're talking about? And he took
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: me outside and uh, and he pulled these bikes that
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: can go there can I was so, I was so
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you say naive, but I was
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: just so wanted to believe that there was something else
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: out there for me other than what I had known
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: and lived that he told me, there's no there's nothing
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: that doesn't exist. So don't worry about that. Let's put
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: these bikes together. We gotta put all this fruit underneath,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: these Christmas trees, these train tracks, we gotta put all
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: this stuff underneath so everybody can be happy in the morning.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: That was my That was my entry into adulthood. Right there.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: I went from I went from like totally believing in
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Santa Claus to like, huh, I'm an adult down And
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: so that was like the cold slap in the face
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: for me, because you know, sometimes parents don't understand that
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: that transition of information can really can really do something
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: to a child. And it really, I'm not saying it
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: ruined my life, but it was a moment where where
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I was really safe. I was in a very safe space.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: And that's what you're talking about when you hold on
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: to information and can keep you in a very space
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: safe space. But the augers who can hinder your growth
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: at solutely. And what's so crazy is that people will
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: hold on to the certainty because they do feel comfort
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: in it, even to their own detriment. Right, So, I mean,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I think your the your story about finding that out,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: it like makes my heart hurt. And I don't know
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: why this just popped into my head, but the fact
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: that it's something that you still think about and like
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: you can hear when you tell that story that it
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: is a painful memory for you, even if it was
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: sort of a rite of passage. And of course your
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: dad couldn't have thought, you know, at fifteen years old,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: that you still maybe we're holding onto that truth. I
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: wonder what it looks like in your life today, Like
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: have you ever thought about I'm just thinking as we
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: go into the holidays and Christmas is coming around, like
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: you ever thought about doing something like putting effort into
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: you know, do you volunte volunteer or give presents or
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: something to um kids and foster care or do you
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: do something where you are keeping the spirit of Santa
• 45:00
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to money making conversations. I'm your host, Sean McDonald.
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  Speaker 1: We know the thing about my personality is that I
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: always go back. Since I was eighteen, I can always
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: realize my mission is always to make other people's lives better.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: I'm always in a position to make young people see
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: there as opportunity, so I make donations. I'm I'm tied
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: to like Pacific UH programs, whether it's entertainment program for
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: kids who want to pursue entertainment careers. I have a
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: scholarship foundation at my alma made Universe Houston for minority
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: students who want math and science opportunities and optometry opportunities
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: and education so so I've always had that built in
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: mechanism to to make people feel good that and see opportunity.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: And then I'm a big Christmas decorator. Okay, I loved
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: that that that Christmas tree is going up at my house.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: You know, I will spend money to make sure people
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: understand that I value and feel good about the Christmas moment.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: The spirit of uplift, the spirit of feel good, that
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: that dominates my life. And so when I'm reading your book,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: you know, don't see don't didn't see that coming. You know,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: your whole story when you're telling from that tragic moment,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: you know mine is nowhere near the tragic moment You're
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: walking in on your brother Ryan and his suicide. But
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: it was a jolting moment for me because I was
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: in denial about there was no Santa clause according to
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: my parents, and when people told me, I wrote letters.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: And when when you can look at the news, they
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: always tell you he's flying over the North Pole. They're
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: telling the news is telling I just up and tell
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: my friend. They would look at me like, boy, you
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: are so stupid. Really look at the news. I validated,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: And so when you look at the situation like in
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: regards to you, you see signs, but you ignore them.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: And I think that that's what happened in your brother's situation.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: There were signs and they were ignored and then the
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: reality is never a good thing because the reality led
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: to his suicide. So but that was a point that
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Joe to you, and there was a write of passage
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: that you weren't prepared to deal with. You had to
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: deal with it because guess what it was thrust upon you? Yes, exactly, Well,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: I think you know that is I think that most
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: people go through something in their lives that divides their
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: life in half. It's that pivotal moment, whether that happens
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: at age six or fourteen or thirty nine, where you
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: divide your life into before and after this thing. And
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: for me, the death of my older brother is my
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: before and after? Is it? You know? I describe it
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: as our family was was so was so not great,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: but we were still clinging to something right. And then
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Ryan's death was it literally was the straw that broke
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: the camel's back, like it just decimated whatever was left.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: And as much as I have always been a really
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: mature even as a little girl, I was very mature.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I grew up, Like you said, you know, you grew
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: up in that moment. I grew up that day. Um,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: I you know, my parents really obviously you know, they
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: had just lost their son, but they really struggled with
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: keeping it together. And I remember being way too young,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: and you know, doing things that I shouldn't have been doing,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: calling and telling family members that he was gone, or
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: helping to, you know, write the obituary, just things that
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: like I was fourteen, and in retrospect, now that I
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: have my own kids, I can look at that and
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: see how not okay it was. But at the same time,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's what life is. Life are these
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: is this a series of moments where you you're you're
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: in it and you're sort of asked to step up
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: and you're asked to figure it out. And um, it's
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: not the only time that's happened to me in my
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: life and and and I think, honestly, it may not
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: be the only time for the rest of my life
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: that I go through something that difficult, which you know,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I think about this year, right and everybody keeps talking
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: about and how they can't wait till it's over. I
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: heard it again on the radio this morning, like, oh,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: only two more months until this horrible year is over.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: And I just feel like people are in for such
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: a rude awakening, because I really do think that people
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: are clinging to the idea that on New Year's Eve
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: at midnight, suddenly all of our problems are going to
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  Speaker 1: go away, and you're gonna wake up on New Year's
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  Speaker 1: Day with the exact same life that you had on
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: New Year's Ease. And this year, this really hard year
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  Speaker 1: of is not the only hard year you're gonna live
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: in the rest of your life. Like, sit with that
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  Speaker 1: for a minute, because I feel like people are like,
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  Speaker 1: I just got to get through this thing. Well, great,
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  Speaker 1: what's going to happen three years from now, when something
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  Speaker 1: even more terrible happens to you or someone you love.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna look back on how you handle this moment,
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  Speaker 1: this year, this hardship, and you're gonna ask yourself, did
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  Speaker 1: you step up, did you do what needed to be done,
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  Speaker 1: did you keep going? Or did you pull the covers
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  Speaker 1: over your head and and hope that something was going
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  Speaker 1: to change? You know, it's really interesting when I hear
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  Speaker 1: you talk like that, and because you know you you
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  Speaker 1: you you live a life where you are moll You're
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  Speaker 1: just a regular person who just happens to be a visionary.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why when I ever hear people talking about
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: I can't wait. Those people are looking at them and
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: I have to walk away because my mindset and your
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: mindset is already deep into If that's what planners do.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: You can't make money thinking thirty days cycle. You're thinking
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: six months in a year because you you think about rent,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: you think about budgets. That's how you plus how you
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: plan success. People were thinking thirty days out. They're just
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: people who are just in that rat wheel. They just
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: rolling just to pay that bill, pay the light bill,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: and you can never save money like that. And when
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  Speaker 1: I when I look at what you're trying to do
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  Speaker 1: with your life and what I've done with my life,
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  Speaker 1: is that we're just trying to win, and we're trying
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  Speaker 1: to win with advice on how you can win two
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  Speaker 1: And that's the nice part about your brand. That's why
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: I associated so much with the way I think we're
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: just doing in different ways. You know, you're being a female,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: I'm being a male, but we're all trying to get
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: people to step up. But it was interesting. I've done
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: this interview with h re Bill you h called impact Theory,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: and it went by, it went fack and it went viral,
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  Speaker 1: and I was I was walking into a Whole Foods
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: and this guy walked up to me and he when
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  Speaker 1: you change my life. You know, I'm trying to give
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  Speaker 1: me some peanuts. Okay, I'm trying to give me some peanuts. Right,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: this guy walks up to me. So you're Sean McDonald, right,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I go, yeah, he said you changed my life. I
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: didn't know what he was talking about. And I and
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: I take that back to you in your book when
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: you're talking about Slate walked up to you just exposed
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  Speaker 1: a life in front of your son, and you're trying
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  Speaker 1: to figure out you know, this is a lifestyle that
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: you know that you requested, but you didn't expect the
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  Speaker 1: results to all this. And so so when I get
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  Speaker 1: these moments, you know, do catch me off. God, even
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: though I know that I'm an award winning baker, and
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  Speaker 1: so people have walked out. I'll be in the airport,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: people go, there's my man, he can bake. I go, yeah,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, yeah that's right, because I do
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: post baking cupcakes on my on my social media, so
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: they should be able to recognize that. So how do
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: you deal with the unexpected even though you know you
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: should expect that? I guess the question I'm trying to
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: get to you, Rachel, to respond to. You know, I
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: I think like, honestly, when you reach a new level
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: of success, you don't know what the heck is going on, right,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: You're like, whoa, this is wild? And you know I
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: do talk about this in the book. It was very
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: overwhelming for me to come to terms with it, and
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: I finally, did you know, I spent months kind of
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: vacillating between honestly, do I want to do this? Which
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: sounds well, I don't know how it sounds, but I
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: really thought, like, are you are you capable of handling
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: this much? Um like, honestly like holding that space for
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: other people, are carrying other people's stories or showing up
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: in this way. And it took me a long time
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: to come to terms and to step into it. And
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you practically, and I don't know if this
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: will help your listeners, but this is definitely something for
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: other people who have any kind of a platform. I
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: honestly made a decision that if I was going to
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: continue to do this work, if I am in public,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: I am ready to be there for other people. So
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: nine times out of ten, no, especially in COVID, nobody
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: stops me right like I'm like, I've got a mask on.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Maybe they don't even know it's me. They nobody stops me.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: But I get stopped. And when I get stopped, it's
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: not hey, I love your work. It tends to be
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: something much more in depth or much more emotional because
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: of the kind of things that I talked about and
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: right about. And in that moment, I just think, like
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: I want to show up for this community. I want
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: to do the very best I can for them. I
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: went on a run this morning at the lake, which
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: is sacred practice for me, and I was running and
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: someone you know, started yelling my name. Now I could
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: so I got air pods and I could just keep
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: on renning and pretend that I didn't hear that person
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: behind me. But again, if if I'm going to do this,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: then I have to be in community with these people,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: and I have to be grateful for that. And I
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: want those women, especially to know that I see them.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: And so I turned around and ran back to her
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: name was Andrea, looked her in the eye, heard her story,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: want you know, gave her a moment, and then we
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: just kept I just kept on running because that's what
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: this is. So for me, like I said, it helped
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: me to prepare myself for the fact that I don't
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: know if I'm going to get stopped, but if I am,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: I feel like I have been blessed with this platform.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: Now I've worked my butt off to get here. But
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: I also believe that God gave me this opportunity. And
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: if I believe that someone greater, something greater than me,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: gave me this moment, this opportunity, this community of of
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: fans and readers, then I am going to own that
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: responsibility and be present for them if they have a
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: moment with me out in the world. UM agree with you.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: I'm talking to Rachel Hollis. Hey, Rachel, Okay, that's what.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: I didn't see that coming like that, I didn't see
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: that coming. Uh you know, Rachel. I I've managed Steve
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Harvey for like sixteen years of infect you tho one
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: a good friends and two thousand he was a very
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: popular comedian and and then I did did the family
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: if you do? I did the Hoppercolin deals with the
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: books that so millions worldwide, was translated in over thirty
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: different languages, and in each step that went along, more
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: fame came his way. And I just got to watch.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: So I when I hear your story, I look back
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: and reflect because I truly understand what you're talking about.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: And he stepped along the way. He used to fight it.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: He used to fight that that that massive amount of
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: fame that came and the responsibility that came with that
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: fame and defining what was Hiver? What was his role
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: in all of this? Sorry, I remember you know, in
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: in twenty nine, two thousand nine, the book Think Like
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Act Like They Think Like a Man came out. You know,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: so three many coples. We were on Oprah, like regular
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: on Oprah. We so sixty books in one day while
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: sitting on Oprah. And uh, and you know that's a
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: massive amount of books to sell. And uh and then
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: UH and then and then and then I did the
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: family few deals. So we kind of crossed over. We
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: went from a very popular black comedy in to uh.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: The comedian who was being recognized as the people thought
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: that was a joke, a black comedian talking about relationships,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: and they just exploded worldwide. And then with the family feud,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: and we was crossing over, you know, even though our
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: talk show, and then the talk show launched in twelve
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: and so I remember, Ineen, we was walking in Chicago
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: and it's large group of from the Asian community came
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: over and they couldn't speak English, law, but they knew
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: who he was. And I went, I looked at him.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: I said, Steve, your life would never be the same, brother,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: I said, I said, they can't even speak English and
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: they know who Yeah, they know who you are. And
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: it has not been the same every since. And and
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: I recognized what you're saying, because you know, Rachel, You're
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: only gonna get bigger. You're you're you're introducing yourself from
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: your brand to my market. My markets are predominant African
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: American marketent of my followers are female. I think that
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: just like the way I bake. But of course I
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: think I done that motivate them to be successful because
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: they are entrepreneurs. I'm really big and pushing entrepreneurs both
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: male and female. And my my whole volume of money
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: making conversation. But when I when I read your book,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: my biggest takeaway is that you know your mom and
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: and it's the testament how women are becoming such an
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: entrepreneur or force in our society today. When I look
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: at women, you shouldn't you have to, you can't wait
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: till one, because they're a bigger opportunities for one. I
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: always believe this. My statement is that the COVID, as
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: bad as it is, allowed me to catch up. It
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: allowed me to level the plan field. Once I got
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: over the shock of the reality that Okay, my life
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: is gonna change forever. And I didn't know how many
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: gloves I had to take to the grocery store. I
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: didn't know if I needed the master. I didn't know
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: if I touched the gas pumper? Should should like? Should
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: like the parail? You can find that on the store?
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: What could I wash my hands? When once I got
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: over that shock, Rachel, I was good. I was good. Yeah, yeah, Well,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: And I think for for this is always true for
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: entrepreneurs and business owners that I have such a heart
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: for this community as well, because I've been a business
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: owner for seventeen years. And what I know to be
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: true is where we're not at the end of this
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: if we found a cure today, we still would deal
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: with the economic fallout from what has happened for years.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: And I don't say that to freak people out. I
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: say it because as leaders and as business owners, we
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: have to be aware. It's not something to have fear about.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: It's okay. What do I need to do to make
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: sure me and my team, me and my family are good.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: How do I need to show up? How do I
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: need to pivot? How do I need to serve the community,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: the customer, the clients that I have so that I
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: can continue to grow, so that I can continue to expand.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: I think we've all seen this. We've seen businesses who
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: have not been able to handle the pressure, and we've
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: seen businesses that have pivoted. Like you know, I live
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: in Austin, right, so I remember Tito's Tito's vodka, which
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: is my favorite saying to mix into the cockstail um.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: When it first happened, you saw all of these liquor companies,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: they were like, all right, we're making hand sanitizer. Now.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: We just saw We saw restaurants that had never ever
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: had driver figure out how to do delivery or curbside.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: We we just saw. I love it because we've seen
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: the human spirit. We've seen the human spirit show up
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: again and again. And you know, I think about this
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: a lot because I have pivoted. I feel like I've
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: pivoted twenty times since March. You know, my my business
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: was predominantly from live events. That I can't do anymore,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: and that you know, you peer hands over that that's
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: a that's a punch in the face and you can
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: sort of sit down. And so many people, so many
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: people were like, just you know, closed down this thing,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: just get rid of this thing. And I'm like, nope,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: I will find a way. And So what I would
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: say to those of you who are listening, who you've
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: got that side hustle, you've got that business, you're you're
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: you're trying to grow and expand you have got to
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: stay focused on where you are going. You have got
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: to fill up your cup only with the words and
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: the inspiration of people who are thinking like you are thinking,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: meaning like, go watch those motivational videos on YouTube. Go
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: listen to podcasts that are going to inspire you. Because
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: if you listen to the world, if you listen to
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: maybe your mama, your friends, maybe your spouse. People are
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: so scared right now and their fear will take hold
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: of your heart if you let it, and so I
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: just keep my is on the horizon. I keep my
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: eyes on the horizon. I know where I'm going. I
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: do not let other people speak their fear into my heart.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: And I stay focused because the biggest some of the
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: biggest companies in the world were built inside of a recession.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: And if you can just keep your eyes on where
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: you are going, to keep doing the work, keep expanding
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: the ways that you need to expand you will come
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: out the other side of this stronger and you will
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: have surpassed people who couldn't stay in the fight. So
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: just keep focused on where you're going and keep going.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: My friend thirty minutes. Okay, our relationship has been flying
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: along and it means we've been a great interview or
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: Rachel Hollis new book. Didn't see that coming, HarperCollins. I
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: made a lot of money with Happercollins, so I know
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: they've known me over there. Three number one best sellers there.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: We kept them in business there, and I think in
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: two thou nine. But again, thanks for coming to my show.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: I hope well off you be a regular on my show,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: and like, thank you You're amazing. Uh, we are, you know.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: We we obviously grew up differently, obviously your agendas are differently,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: but I so relate to what you are experiencing, what
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: you're trying to say to my audience as well as
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: to your audience. And uh, again the future is on outside.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: And uh the future means we always speak to each
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: other again in the future. Thank you Rachel for coming.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: My next guest, Ashley M. Fox is a former Wall
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Street Analysts at Howard University graduate HBCU and an expert
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: in the field as a financial education specialist. After helping
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: manage money for both millionaires and billionaires during her career
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: on Wall Street, Ashley quite a job and started the
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: whole company Emplathy Emplafi mersion of the words empower and
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  Speaker 1: modify is is a financial ad tech startup that was
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: created to show both adults and children how to build wealth.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Since Emplathile has reached thousands of individuals and his programs
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: have been implemented over fifty different schools and organizations across
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: the country. Her working story have been featured on Jim
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Cramer's The Street, Y'all Who Finance, Rolling Out magazine, Philly
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: dot Com. Fox News, ABC, Huffington Post, Glamor Magazine and Force.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: Please work with the money making conversations. Ashley M. Fox,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: How are you? How are you? Did I missing the thing? Actually,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: because you know you got a lot to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: Did I miss anything? You know? I want to make
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: sure everybody know you are the ball, you know when
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: it comes to what we're about talking about. You know,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: I get a lot of people on the show that
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: they kind of have the credits they you know, they
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: have thrown some credits out there, but you your credits
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: all at the top of the food chain credits there.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: You know, how do you feel about that? When you
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: when you know you're out there working in your brand,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: because that's what it's all about. You gotta you gotta
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: get game respect for your brand, and you have to
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: put it out there so people can know about your brand.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Because you left Wall Street, tell about tell us about
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: just update. I mentioned that in the credits updates about
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: how did you make that decision? Because a lot of
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: people are afraid when they leave in a solid bage
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: to something that's not so clear. I think for me, one,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: I never wanted to be an entrepreneur. I always wanted
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: to be a profound African American on Wall Street. So
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: so after being there, ultimately my goal was to do
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  Speaker 1: something bigger and better. I think working on Wall Street,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: I worked a millionaires and millionaire so if you had
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: at least twenty five million dollars, it was our job
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: to manage your money. And after a while, where you
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: are working with millionaires and billionaires and you realize that
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: you deserve to be just like the client, when you're
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: on the other end of the table, you realize you're
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: not going to get there serving the wealthy people. And
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: for me, I always actually wanted to be a teacher.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: I just never became a teacher who because in my
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: mind I felt like teachers didn't make a lot of money.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: So if I wanted to make a lot of money,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: I needed to major in the subjective money and I
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: needed to work on Wall Street. But after a while,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: I felt like that the things that I was learning,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: what I was getting exposed. So I saw where people
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: were spending their money, where they were traveling, where they
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: were living, what they were investing in, And I felt
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: like you shouldn't have to come from money work and
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: finance major and finance to learn how to manage save
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: and invest your money. And so ultimately I just got
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: to a point where I had a feeling and something
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  Speaker 1: was out there, bigger and better, and I did take
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  Speaker 1: that leap. It wasn't the easiest thing I did. I
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  Speaker 1: did lose a lot along the way, But for me,
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  Speaker 1: make sure that I had the tools and resources to
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: educate people who did not get the same exposure that
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: I was giving. Now do you know because I'm driven
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  Speaker 1: my money? I think everybody is driven my money. I
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: remember I went to college my degrees in mathematics and
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: started out and civil engineering because I felt that would
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  Speaker 1: pay me the most money. That I realized that wasn't
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: my calling, and eventually my degree was in mathematics, my miners,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: and sociology. Do you driven by Are you driven my
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: money or you driven about the opportunity to make money?
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: I don't think I'm driven about either, to be honest,
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm a big proponent of just knowing that
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: success makes noise, because I remember even when I left
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: my Ball Street career, people were like, you left from
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: working with millionaires and billionaires to work with people who
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: don't have money, and it made me feel like I
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: was crazy, But in all actually I was just like yes.
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  Speaker 1: And for me, I created a space. I mean, we
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  Speaker 1: all say we don't learn about financial education and schools,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: but nobody really wants to go put it into the
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: school system because it's not the nor For me, it
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: was like, this has to happen, This will happen, and
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: I'm going to figure out how to make your work.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: And then I started to make money. So for me,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: I chose happiness over money. And the more I focused
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: on serving people, the more I focused on doing what
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: I felt was my purpose you driven life, calling um,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: the more money started to come to me. So I
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: created a space where I would go pitch schools and
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: find out how they ran their schools, understanding how they
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: ran their budgets, to say, hey, let me teach financial
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: education to these students. But I think I created a
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: need that was once there, but no one knew how
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: to provide that need. And so and all honestly tasting money.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: When I didn't, I wasn't happy. So and I realized,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: let me just do what makes actually happy. And it
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: got rather wake up every single day doing what I love,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: doing what I love in serving the people. That our
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: third opportunities come to me so much more than when
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: I was just looking to make money. And I think
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: also to when you're just looking to make money, people
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: can feel that like I can't teach financial education to
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: people who don't have a lot of money and then
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: looking to make money off of them. Now it defeats
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: the whole purpose of me serving the world that I
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: felt like God put me here to serve. And so
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: I found that the more I served, the bigger the
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: opportunities got. The bigger the opportunities got, the more people
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: saw that it worked, and the more successful I became.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: I'm talking to Ashley and Fox. He's a financial education specialist.
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  Speaker 1: We've been about two years since we spoken Ashley, and
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: now the whole your curriculum in schools as elevated or
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: fifty different schools. Now, that's ironic that you said you
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: wanted to be a school teacher and you left to
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: be in finance and now you're back to implementing school.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: So you basically are doing what you wanted to do,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: but you are continuing controlling the tone, the tone of
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: you know, in other words, you know you created quickly
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: that the values, your passion, and now you're teaching it
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: as a school teacher would teach your brand and educate
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: the masses like you wanted to dot wanted to do.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: And so when you when you when you talk about
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: young people, what is the difference that you find the
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: most unique when you're talking to young people about money
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: and talking to adults about money. I think working with kids,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: there's there. Okay, so when you're an adult, we were
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: once that child where possibilities were infinite. Once that that
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: child who thought we could do, be and have everything.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: And the more we grow up include including our experiences
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: growing up with our parents and our environment, society, the news.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: We then we then don't feel like it's possible. So
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: we feel like we have to go to work every
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: single day because we have to say bills. That dream
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: of being happy no longer exists because we feel like
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: we gotta do what we gotta do. Working with the child,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: the possibilities are infinite, shifting their mindset is infinite, and
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: I think there's less conditioning when you deal with the
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  Speaker 1: child than it is with the deult. Now it's not
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: impossible within the deult, you just gotta break through a
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: lot more barriers because they've been told no too many times,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: they've been afraid too often. Whereas a child, they still
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: believe it's possible. A child hasn't seen a bill, So
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: let me prepare you for what a bill looks like.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: But then also show you how you can build wealth
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: like the people you idolize. But let me start early
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: so that you don't make the same mistakes that adults
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: have made in the past. Um So when all honestly,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: it's it's a lot easier to teach a child because
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: they believe, and also they they're there to learn. They
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: know they're coming to school to learn, where as adults
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: they're fear, there's doubt, there's worried, there's I don't have time.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: A child, they don't have those excuses because essentially their kids,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: they haven't gotten to that point in life where they
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: where they would tell themselves no because society has told
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: them no too often. You know, that's really important that
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: you say that I would tell people that when you
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: look at their life when they here forty and fifty,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: that they're really, well, you don't know what you want
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: to do with your life. Just look at look back
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: when you were eighteen. You were fearless when you had
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: dreams that like you stay that their dreams of the
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: impossible until you started putting up these stop sign or
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: you got married, or you went off to the military assignment,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: or or you just your dreams or I can't do
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: this because we are very self defeating a race of people.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Once we reach a certain age, I'm not gonna try
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: to do that. And that's what a lot of people
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: just kind of like give up to give up on
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: how they look in the mirror they give them on
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: what they can do in the car they drive, the
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: host that live, the neighborhood they live in. And that
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: really is true because as a young person, all you
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: see is what I could can be. And I always
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: tell people I never tell a child what they can't be,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: not if they not if they can't sing, I'll tell them, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you know you can't sing. Now you need to stop
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: all that madness. Okay, maybe you can wrap now, try
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: wrap it, but you can't sing okay, and you know
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: you can't dunk. But from a physical standpot, but from
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: a mental standpoint, you you're unlimited on what you can
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: do as long as you stand in of what you're
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: capable of doing. And that's what you were just implemented
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: right there. That adults tend to doing the teaching process.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: They got all these limitters that they keep putting in
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: their brain. I don't have enough money do that, I
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: don't have time to do that. Why would I want
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: to do that? Why are you just telling them how?
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: They're telling themselves what they can't do. That's really distracted
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: when you're trying to teach people how to be successful.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: Can you can you can you can you get them
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: to overcome that? Or you just lay down the plan
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: and some so I'm not gonna do it, and a
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: lot of are not gonna do it. So I'm a
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: firm believer that things are not taught, they're caught, and
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: I think when people are ready, they'll be open to it.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: So one of the biggest things, and this is since
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: since I've left my Wall Street career, I've never solicited
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: what I did. I never said, hey, I can show
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: you how to make a bunch of money. Let me
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: show you how to do this. I get people to
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: a point where they're ready. They've exhausted all options, they've
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: taken the classes they could take, they went to the bank,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: they try to learn everything possible, yet they don't feel
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: connected to the people that are providing the information that
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: they need. And they get to a point where they say, Okay,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: I'm frustrated being frustrated, but I know I deserve to
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: make a change. And ultimately that's why the word empathied
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: was community because it's one thing to give people education,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: but in all honesty, everything we teach you can google it,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: But the real question is why don't we take that
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: information off of Google and actually implements it. That means
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: that there's a mental barrier that is stopping us from
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: executing on the information we have access to. And I
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: think it's one thing to get information, but it's also
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: another thing to get that with inspiration. And so that's
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: where the empower part of emplithied comes in the first
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: three letters are emp that comes from empower because I
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: can give you the resources, but I need you to
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: feel empowered to know that you can do something with
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: these resources, no matter where you are, no matter how
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: much you have, it is still possible. And then ultimately,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: when you have that inspiration, you have the tools and resources,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: it then changes the way you see yourself in the
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: role of money in your life, which is where modified
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: comes from, because that's where the change takes place. And
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: so ultimately we start with the mind. If I can
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: change your mind, I can change your bank account. So
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: we focus on your thought process. We know what you feel,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: we know what you're dreaming of, we know what what's
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable for you, and we literally do the complete opposite
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: of that. And then once we do that, give you
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: the tools and resources, and then you realize, hey, I
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: actually we can do this. Hey maybe these beliefs that
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: I have are not mine. Maybe society put them in
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: my mind, maybe my parents gave me these fears, but
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: they're not my narrative. And so we take those narratives
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: and those beliefs that we change the thinking behind the
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: person with the money, and once you have the tools
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: and resources, you go running after that. Ashley and fox Um,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: you know when I InterVID you a couple of years ago,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: you was a bad girl. Back then he was a
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: bad You're on fire. Now you're on fire. I'm just
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: listening to you going this girl here is you know,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: because we all learned. I've learned, I've grown, I've grown
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: as an interview I've grown as a person my brain.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: I know exactly where my brand is and pushing it
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: in the right direction. And I'm listening to a person
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: who's really focused, who knows. And I'm not saying you
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: wouldn't focus when our first interview, but you won't fire now.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: Tell us what makes you have such a strong comference
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: zone and how did you get to this point to
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: be as comfortable as I'm hearing you speak now? And
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: as I've been following your brand on social media every
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: time the article pops up, I reading about Ashley and
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: Fox tell this whole march too. And I know you're
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: not there where you're trying to get, but I do
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: notice a different tone, a different message being spoken by
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: Ashley and Fox. Am I right? Absolutely? Um? I think,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: I think I think as the as I grow, the
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: company rules. I think There's been a lot of years
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: of spiritual internal words, a lot of years of therapy. Um. Also,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: and to be honest, me recognizing what my beliefs were
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: right one of the biggest things that I've noticed is
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: while I can sit and say, hey, I want to
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: be a millionaire, the ideas having a million dollars actually
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: frightens me. Right, So there's times where I want to
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: have big dreams, but when I'm presented with the opportunity,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: I get scared. Remember when I got my first six
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: figure contract, it was just this mind blowing experience, but
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: it was like, hey, you can't sit here and say
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: you want to be a billionaire and you're afraid to
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: catch a check for over a hundred thousand dollars or So.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: I think as I break through my mental barriers, as
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: I do more, the company rules right along with me.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: So I personally do not teach anything that I do
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: not do or have not done. And it's a lot
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: easier because it's not just about I read a book
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: and I learned how to teach individuals how to invest
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: in stocks. It's no, this is how I started, this
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: is what I've learned, and this is what I do.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: And let me try to understand you to make it,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: to make it easier for you to understand it. So
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: I think the more I grow, the bigger I get,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: the more people I served, so we recently we recently
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: UM launched our wealth Builters community AT. I would have
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: never envised me being a black woman in tech right,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: but every morning I would wake up, go into the
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: mirror and say, you are You are the owner of
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: a of an at tech startup. You are the owner
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: of an app that impacts thousands of people from all
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: over the world. And then when it happened, it was
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: just like, oh my gosh is here. But it wasn't
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: about something that I wanted. It was about who I was.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: And I'm a firm believer you don't attract what you want,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: you attract who you are. So when I started to
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: believe I deserve six figure contracts, when I started to
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: look at a hundred thousand dollars like it wasn't a
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: lot of money, that's when the money started to come faster.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: But what I was afraid, the money was coming slower.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: When I was afraid I would lose money, money was
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: coming slower. But if I knew that I was gonna
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: keep going, that this was gonna work and I'm gonna
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: change the world. When I change my thinking, the company changes.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: So I think again. As I grow, the company grows
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: the bigger I get, the company gets, and not just
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: me as an individual or a brand, but my thought
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: process like understanding that hey, we can make a quarter
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: million dollars in a month and saying that doesn't frighten
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: me anymore, right, but at one point making ten thousand
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: dollars in a month that scared me. At one point.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: Now it's like I can't pay my bills with ten
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: tho dollars. We gotta do bigger team, We gotta get
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: better team. But the more people we impact, the bigger
• 1:18:36
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• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: people because if we could serve a billion people, we
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: could make a billion dollars. And now I'm figuring out
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: how do we get to a billion people to reach
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  Speaker 1: your capabilities and also limit you and knowledge of what
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  Speaker 1: you really are capable of doing. And I like you.
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  Speaker 1: I remember in five Steve Harvey now jam thing, but
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  Speaker 1: we need a concert and the Music Hall in Houston, Texas.
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  Speaker 1: And I was my first concert that I ever promoted,
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  Speaker 1: and I had to write a check to Steve for
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  Speaker 1: fifty seven thousand dollars and that's five and I went,
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't believe I was writing that check, just like
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  Speaker 1: you couldn't believe you had a six figure and and
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  Speaker 1: and the thing about this is that once you believe
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  Speaker 1: and understand that this is part of your life, part
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  Speaker 1: of your mantra, part of your mentality, then guess what,
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  Speaker 1: you can write another check like that. But if you
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  Speaker 1: stop and disbelief and awe and get giddy, like this
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  Speaker 1: is not normal. And that's all she's saying right now.
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  Speaker 1: This is the normal way she thinks. Now she the
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  Speaker 1: people that she was doing these twenty five million dollars
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  Speaker 1: and these billion dollar deals with, and all these people
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: around believe me, they think a certain way. And I
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: think a certain way too, because guess what, I'm successful.
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  Speaker 1: So I go on the grocery store. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: If I have a coupon, I use it. I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you that I use it. But guess what, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: going to grow store and shop. And in fact, sometimes
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: I walked out of the grocery store. Other day I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even know how much I pay for groceries.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: I just gave my credit card. Because that's not part
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  Speaker 1: of my mantra the world about how much I'm gonna spend.
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  Speaker 1: It's the fact that I have money that can buy it.
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  Speaker 1: And that is the mantra that people have to do.
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  Speaker 1: As an adult, you get to that point you start saying,
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  Speaker 1: I can't live in this type of house, I can't
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  Speaker 1: drive this because I because because what I don't have
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  Speaker 1: the tax money, I don't well, what's gonna happen next year? Well,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think like that be successful people playing next year,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: they don't think what's not gonna happen next year? If
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  Speaker 1: you plan next year, I'm a six month, I'm a year.
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  Speaker 1: The average person thinks thirty days. And you cannot be
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  Speaker 1: successful thinking in thirty days increments in your life because
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: it means you worry about the rent, You worry bout
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: stuff that you actually should be controlling by planning. And
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to bring you back on the show,
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  Speaker 1: because the mentality you've always talked about hasn't been about planning.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: Correct m h in a bullet, don't forget a bullet.
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  Speaker 1: And with that being said, this has been the pandemic year.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the show us down find that. I know
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  Speaker 1: you've been busy. I know people have been asking you
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  Speaker 1: how to how to budget, how to save money? How
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: can you invest in the pandemic? And the wild thing
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: about the stock Barkeet is actually when this pandemic hit
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: in March, it crashed. But the spark Barker has said
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  Speaker 1: some records this year as far as it's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of millionaires, and billionaire's pretty happy out there during the pandemic.
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  Speaker 1: How do you invest during the pandemic? Ashley and Fox, So, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: I think, well in two thousand and eight was the
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  Speaker 1: most outside of the stock market crash was the previous
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  Speaker 1: stock market crash, and I was in college and I
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  Speaker 1: remember watching the news not fully understanding is this is fact.
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  Speaker 1: When I was I think it was a junior in college.
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  Speaker 1: I was a junior in stock work, and I realized
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  Speaker 1: that it was something going on. It's exciting the watch,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: and I wasn't fully clear. As I got educated with
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: the stance market, I realized, the next time the market crashes,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go in because the way I look
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: at crashes, I look at it like it's a Black
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  Speaker 1: Friday sale. Everything drops in price, and in all honesty,
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  Speaker 1: that is the only time we see red and we panic.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: If we walk into a store and we see red,
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  Speaker 1: we know that's on sale, we want to buy it.
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  Speaker 1: But when we see red in the stock market, we
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  Speaker 1: get frightened. And I think when the stock market crash,
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  Speaker 1: and again, it had every right in the crash because
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: there was so much uncertainty. We had no idea what's
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: going to happen? But because of that, I also had
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: to ask myself our companies like an Apple, or Walmart
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: grocery store and Amazon? Are all these companies gonna go
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: out of business because we are in quarantine when in fact,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: let's be smart. While restaurants maybe taking a hit, what
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: are we doing more of with more on our phones?
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: Were doing more social media, We're watching more of television.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: We have to go to the grocery store. So immediately
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: I took my thought process. It's like who's winning right now?
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  Speaker 1: Who's going to come out of this strong? Because everybody
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: took a hit. But in my mind, these companies, with
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: time will go back up and living. My portfolio is
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: up over a hundred percent because when I saw the
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: opportunity to buy at a cheap price, I took advantage
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: of it. And so whether the market crashes, whether the
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: market is up, you have to sit and ask yourself
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: why am I investing? Is this for? And who do
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: I feel like we'll be on top. It doesn't take
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: a rocket scientist for somebody to know that every time
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: Apple releases iPhone in September, right before the holidays, people
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: stand in line and then taking rocket scientist to know
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: that while there are many sneaker companies out there, the
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: number one sneaker company in the world is Nike. Right
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: their sales were of two online sales during the pandemic.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: So while the news is telling us people are are
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: out of jobs, people aren't spending money. They are spending
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: money because we don't have anything else to do but
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: to be on our phones and to use technology. And
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: so there are companies that are winning. And I think
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: you always have to look for the opportunity versus operating fear,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: because there's tons of ways to take advantage of this pandemic.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: But in all, actually, I think it's one of the
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: best things about this pandemic is that it caused everybody
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: to be still. It helps us realize you can't depend
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: on the government, you can't depend on your job. Therefore
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: you have to depend on yourself, and yourself is good enough.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: We've always been good enough. And I think when we
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  Speaker 1: shift the mindset in turn the TV all you see
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  Speaker 1: this as an opportunity. Because everything happens for a reason.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: We just have to see that reason as an opportunity
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: for us to become better both mentally and financially. And
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: with that being said, what's something This may be a
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  Speaker 1: general question now and if you say, rash, I don't
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: want to respond to that. What what? What was some
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: of the mistakes? Did you think that as you know,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: we're giving opportunities through the Cares Act and apply for
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: different funds and you know a lot of a lot
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: of people did, a lot of people didn't? But did anyone?
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: Were there anything that people should have done that they
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: didn't do during the pandemic that would have helped him
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: out a little bit financially? Um, when I think we
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: should have turned to television off like in all honestly,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: if you really think about what's on the news, you
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: hear about talk, you hear about the colonavirus, and you
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: hear about black crime or crimes done on black people.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: Other than that, there's nothing in the news. Nothing, So
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: understanding that when I watched these things in the new
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: is what feelings do they invoke? Because if it's not
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: causing you to feel joy, then you don't need to
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: consume it because the more you internalize it, the more
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: you're going to manifest more of it. And so I
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: think the biggest thing is because we were sitting in
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: the house. We had a television. We were forced to
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: consume because we can't go about and do our normal
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: day to day things. But I think the biggest thing
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: that I think people really didn't pay attention to, what's
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: the fact that this wasn't a time of panic. This
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: was a time to start over. This was the time
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: to reevaluate, This was a time to get educated, This
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: was the time to follow that dream that you've been
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: putting off. And I think instead of focusing on how
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: can I become better, all we thought about is how
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: this is making the situation worse. And you saw that
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: in in so many people, just even on social media.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: But it was just like in my mind, it was
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: like immediately was okay, what does the world need from
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: us right now? And in the midst of the pandemic,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: we made the most money we ever made it a
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: company in the company because we sat and thought, what
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: do people need from us right now? Where can people
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: get educated right now? How and we serve people right now.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: Let's come out with our app right now because people
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: are sitting at home, they need something to do. But
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: let's now instill greatness in these people. Let's give them
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: the education that they can't get in their school system.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: Let's given the tools and resources you can't find on
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: your time model or or on your television, how can
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: we rewire their brain at a point where all we
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: have is their their attention because there's nothing else for
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: them to do. And I think people focusing on the
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: opportunity is what would have gotten us made us a
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: lot strong. And there are a lot of people who
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: who did great things during the pandemic, but there are
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: a lot of people who every day they woke up,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: they were they were scared, they want to lose their job,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: they were afraid that their similar checks wouldn't come on time.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: It's like, we can't live in fear because that's all
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: we're surrounded by. We have to literally unlearned what we
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: have been taught to learn that society and our upbringings
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: has given has given. Us. Really, it's really good that
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: you're saying those things because I just love an interview
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: and you you just really just confirm a lot of
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: things that I'm doing. I just like talking us more
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: people because I you this time, when the pandemic hit,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: I used it to really look at my brand. You know,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: really the first quarter was identifying my brand. The second
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: quarter was bringing in legal to protect my brand, making
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: sure all my my my tied correctly. Then that make
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: sure my social media lunch a new platform called HBC
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: Awards doing the pandemic. And in the third quarter, I
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: bought a office building in Atlanta. All this, all this
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: stuff was happened during the pandemic because I knew in
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, guess what, this country is gonna go
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: to a new normal and we need to be and
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: were reopened and we need I need to be functioned
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: in the manner. So now I'm more organized and more
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: confident than I've ever been. And it's basically tied what
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: you're just saying. You don't play during the disaster, You
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: don't unplay, you playing when things look bad, you don't run.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: You figure out how to survive. And so a lot
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: of people they run and then they hide. And then
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: when other people who don't hide see the opportunity to succeed.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: And that's what you just keep repeating over and over
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: in such a strong manner. But that's why you built
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: our the brand amplify which is in power and modify
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: e MPs. In power, I find is the back end
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: to modify and when you look at all these things,
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: tell us a little bit more about your app. And
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: also you hit it a lot the build the wealth
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: Builders community talk a little bit about that so we
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: can get a good feel and also how can we
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: download that, and also any webinars you have coming up
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: as well as I always like to use your middle names.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: She kind of like, forget it some time through UM,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: so our well fuld this community at UM. You can
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: literally go to wealth Builders Community dot com and you
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: can see everything that we offer. So literally just imagine
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: the Netflix of finance and the palm of your hand,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: so you can go to Netflix, you can find all
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: the different types of entertainment. Imagine literally saying hey, I
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: want to learn how to invest, where can I go?
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: And it all is in your hands, literally lives in
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: your account. But here's the beauty of it. You're now
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: going through this journey not alone, but you're going through
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: with thousands of people who are just like you from
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: all over the world. And I think we can't at
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: this point, we can't sit at the dinner table and
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: talk about learning how to build well. We can't talk
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: about how your stock portfolio was up. We don't talk
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: about how we're investing for our keys to make sure
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: that they're not kaking up Steven Long. We don't have
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: these conversations specifically in the African American community, but this
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: should be our norm because that is the norm of
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: wealthy people. They're sitting on their yachts talking about big
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: deals that they're closing, when in our actuality, that's why
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: they continue to sustain their wealth. The conversation is different,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: the thought process is different, and so ultimately our wealth
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: for this community is a is an intimate space where
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: you can come together with people who are just like
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: you on the same journey, both working professionals and entrepreneurs.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: Where you're learning how to build well, vibrating layer by layer,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: where you're celebrating for your successes when you learn, you're
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: learning how to open an account, you're processing and transaction,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: but you're getting advice, tools and resources not only from
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: experts but also people who have been in your shoes.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: But they are growing every single day because they made
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: well building a choice, they made it a commitment, and
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: that's ultimately what our community is about. So we have
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: classes on a weekly basis. I mean we're literally about
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: to launch our parent Accelerator because a lot of our
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: members are parents, and it's during the time when it's
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: holiday season Q four. We're spending tons of money. Companies
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: are projected to make billions this holiday season. Why is
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: it that we're making all these billion dollar businesses more
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: money and we look up and we still feel like
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: we have nothing. So we're now literally educating our adults
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: to say, hey, it's great to buy gifts for your family,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: but what about the gifts of wealth? What about buying
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: your kids that stopped in the sneaker company because you
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: know the kids are gonna sneak it's our holiday season, right,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: But educating the parents to think all the things your
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: parents did not give you, all the tools and resources
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: you wish you would have had, Let me show you
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: how to literally educate your children so that you can
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: build for them. So it's literally like amplified now with
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: this particular accelerator that we're launching in our app is
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: now merging both worlds. We're emerging the connections and the
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: classes that we've done with our youth and then the
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: classes of the connections that we've done with the deults,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: and we're bringing them together. So the classes, adults will
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: be able to take. Classes will learn how to open
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: different accounts for both themselves and their children, how to
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: put their kids through college. But also now we're giving
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: the resource on this is how you can also do
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: this with your kids. Not just for your kids, but
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: that's how you can do it with your kids. Bring
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: your family. So now we'll have classes where kids can participate,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: and all of these things will live in the act.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: And I think it's during the time where we're spending
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: so much. Now let's literally train our minds to look
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: at opportunities. I know, if everybody is going to be
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: spending our holiday season, I need to own these companies
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: that are making billions of dollars on holiday season. And
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: it's literally rewiring the thought process of our community. UM
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: and it's been phenomenal a few months now. UM it's
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: in the app store, will Google download and Apple downloads.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: You can get access to on your iPad or your computer.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: But literally wealth builders dot com um Wealth build as
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: community dot com is where you can see everything that
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: we offer. There's tons of everything that we give, but
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: in all actually reality seven three fifty five access to
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: classes all the time, all day, every day, discussion downloads
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: that we're giving out now like they're just tons of
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: things worth like a secret society of wealth builders where
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: you can't step outside and go to the bank, but
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: you can go here and get the tools and resources
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: in a simple and easy to understand the language that
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: doesn't speak to you but through you and into you. Wow,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: Ashley and Fox, Um, you've given me twenty nine minutes
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: of your time. You are special. Um. Thank you all.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: Please give me UM some banners so I can post
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: it on my social media. You know, I got like
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: a million social media followers and names two thousands and
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: the fan club members and I promote you. I love
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: what you do. I learned and then what you've done
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: for me. It's it's like a little free session lessons session.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: She's given me now walk away confidence. But that's what
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: you do, Ashley, and continue to do. And I always
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: know that you drop something, you can contact me, contact
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: my staff, or contact me directly because I would do
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: anything for you. You're that special to me. And to
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  Speaker 1: Evans receives his BA and Political Science and m A
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  Speaker 1: Please welcome to Money Making Conversation. My man, fellow sociology major.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a minor, Marlon Evans. How you doing well? Thanks
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  Speaker 1: appreciate you having me on. Well, you know, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: let's let's go back to a couple of things. When
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  Speaker 1: I when I read through your bio, I love policy.
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  Speaker 1: that I lend myself to you. That's what you got
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  Speaker 1: your degree in, and then your masters in sociology, that's
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  Speaker 1: my minor. If I had to do it all over again,
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  Speaker 1: I would not have gotten a degree in mathematics. I
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  Speaker 1: would have gotten a degree in sociology because it really
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  Speaker 1: opened my live, my mind on how information is being
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  Speaker 1: disseminating in this country and how black people are denied
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  Speaker 1: there are their story in America. Correct, No, absolutely, just
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  Speaker 1: from a structural perspective, and we don't have to go
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  Speaker 1: through the entire entire history of it. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: all well well documented. But you know, when I was
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  Speaker 1: first starting within political science, I thought I was heading
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  Speaker 1: down the law the law school path as a way
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  Speaker 1: what was in the cards? Uh you know for me?
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  Speaker 1: you say path, what what? What path? Are we talking about?
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  Speaker 1: a major role in your life, and so was you
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  Speaker 1: a scholarship athlete? Talk about that and then being able
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  Speaker 1: to to balance academics and athletics at a school like Stanford. Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: I was. I was blessed to receiver scholarship to play
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  Speaker 1: play football at Stanford. And one of the things about
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• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: a become a leader work with people. That's been important
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: to know because it's because it's interesting. I look at
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  Speaker 1: your resume, you know, football and then track and fear
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  Speaker 1: because track can be can you say track is much
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  Speaker 1: more on an individual sport, I mean a team sport.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, we have two different mindsets. You was working
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  Speaker 1: you kind of like push yourself. On the football team
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  Speaker 1: you have teammates who can push you correct. Yeah. I know.
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  Speaker 1: I had to be a little bit careful because my
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  Speaker 1: much on that because she will say it's a team,
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  Speaker 1: it's a team sport. Um, But yeah, there's it's obviously
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  Speaker 1: more individual in terms of you know, it's just you
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  Speaker 1: at that was you running around that oval? Come on?
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  Speaker 1: So and so I got debater, but see your wife.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to be okay because I trying to
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  Speaker 1: get through this interview with you, miss Evans. Okay. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think what you what you raised is so so important,
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  Speaker 1: especially especially now where like um, it's this idea of
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  Speaker 1: I think society has kind of said, well, what's the
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  Speaker 1: you five shortcuts to get to where you need to be,
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  Speaker 1: struggles really defines who you are and build that that character.
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  Speaker 1: So I have two daughters of of my own, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm always encouraging them to kind of when it
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  Speaker 1: gets hard, that's the good part. That's when you want
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  Speaker 1: to lean in because it teaches you so much about
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• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: in athletics is the same thing that happens in entrepreneurship,
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  Speaker 1: like you do in athletics. Though you really think you
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  Speaker 1: the chances? The same thing happens that starts you really
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: think you could be the next Facebook or or Uber.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, that's you know, it's once in a lifetime
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  Speaker 1: of nose, a lot of people saying you can't do it,
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  Speaker 1: getting back to sociology and now more with the advent
• 1:46:58
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• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: don't have to work hard, which I think is ultimately
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: not what's in the best interests of assess people and
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: as a community at at large, you know there's really,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: we're gonna get to the story behind the next cube. HBC.
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• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: want to stride out, stride to the next level of success.
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  Speaker 1: And sometimes I look at my life and I always
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  Speaker 1: everybody has a different version of what success. Some people
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• 1:48:28
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• 1:48:30
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• 1:48:33
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  Speaker 1: Because you're interesting in the sense Moreland because as a
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: as a black athlete, if if black people, especially athletes,
• 1:48:47
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  Speaker 1: I don't care what ag. I really believe I can
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  Speaker 1: from athleticism to entrepreneurism. Correct. Yeah, no, it's it's a
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  Speaker 1: that kind of uh fact that a lot of these
• 1:50:24
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• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: program on January januine July all and evans there there
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: has to be a better way. You can always do
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: more when Facebook what feels like an unsummountable challenge. I
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: refer back to the message my dad chaired mean as
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: a child, which he continues to reiterate to this day.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: Growing up in Maryland as an African American in the
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: post Civil War Civil rights era, I was afforded opportunity
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: to just a decade before, we're all limits for Americans
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: now off limits for Americans with the pandemic, what's going
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: on with social change? What is not offer them? It's anymore,
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: where can we go when you set for a plan
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: that you have in place that started in the pandemic era. Yeah, well,
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: I think you know, obviously it's been a horrible situation.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: But where there's crisis, there's also opportunity in the fact
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: that things are so virtual now. I mean, we can
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: connect people in a way that we weren't able to
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: do or we were always able to do previously, but
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: now people are hyper um you know, alert to the
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: fact that okay, I can have an impact on not
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: just ten students, but hundreds of students, three hundred students plus,
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: which is what we have currently signed up in the program,
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: all through a virtual platform. Where is if we if
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: we needed to go to each of the of the
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: d HBCUs like step by step, that we wouldn't be
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: where we are right now and be able to launch
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: a full national program in the course of four months.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: So that I think number one, just the fact that
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: the that the technology, the infrastructure is there and then
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: I think number two, because we have these two things
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: going on. We have the global pandemic and then we
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: have the Black Lives Matter movement. People are now sensitized
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: to that fact of oh gosh, I didn't even realize
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: all of this that was going on in the inequities.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: How can I get involved? Now? Know? You just like
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: me when they said that, I remember I got so
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: many phone calls from my white friends, go, I didn't
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: know how how did you operate? Well, yeah, we just
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: had to operate. So I'm not going to tell you
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: that I'm some hero. It's just the hand that black
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: people are dealt with, you know, have to You know,
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: I do get nervous in the police office supports me
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: black and white. I get nervous because, quite frankly, I
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: don't know why they pulled me over, and frank frankly,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know the story. Did I have to make
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: up to go home safely? And so so when I
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: hear when you when you start talking about I had
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: to interrupt you because you know, people when they when
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: they I just found out. Now we found out a
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: long time ago. Yeah, absolutely, And you know that's a
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: part of the education. But at least now they want
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: to have that conversation. And many corporates we've we've partnered
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: with with some they've been you know, this has been
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: a priority for them in the past, and now they're
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: doubling doubling down. So being able to tie up with
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: A T and T and and Morgan Stanley and there
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: are other corporates that are were in conversation with. They
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: realize that they need to be doing doing more as well.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: And see our our founders programmers a way to reach
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: students and informed that they weren't otherwise. And the reality is,
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: and like you said, both of us aren't. Aren't HBCU
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: grad There are a few that get most of the attention.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: You have, the Howards, the more House, the Spellman's of
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: the world that have, you know, traditionally that's where the
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: corporates are going to, you know, to recruit. I was
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: talking to a corporate the other day and they said
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: that these Spellman has something like seven hundred and fifty
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: corporate sponsors, which is fantastic, But you know what those
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: you know, those the rural HBCU in Mississippi or Oklahoma
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: or nashal like, are they getting that same type of attention.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: So we were committed as a part of this program
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: to not only service those schools, but we're now up
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: to sixty HPCs, which it was all a hundred hundred
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: plus to make sure that every student within the um
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: one of the HBC's feels like they have access to
• 1:55:53
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  Speaker 1: And there's a hundred and four HBCU schools by the way,
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: and I I applaud that because like a lot of programs,
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: like I point out this, they know what they The
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: United Negro College Fund doesn't fund a fund all one
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: hundred and four HBCU school That's not how it works,
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: you know. It's like in the funds of what they
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: considered the top or they recommended schools that they have
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: in their program, and it goes from there. So you
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: have to look at schools. I was born and raised
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: in Houston, Texas. So I had Texas Southern in Houston,
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: and I had Prayer of You and m down the
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: road and I had Gramlin next over next day in Louisiana.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: Then at Southern universe. So the HPCU experience was always
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: around me. But I went to the University of Houston
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: that was a school. Even though I went down to
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: Prayer of View or with all my friends were there.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: I went to sexas. I went to Southern University, all
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: my friends were there. I said, well, I want to
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: go somewhere where I wanted a different experience. But that
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: didn't mean I lost my black identity. I lost my
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: Black culture because when I see HBCUs, I feel it's
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: not only a need for need to bring value. And
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: also that when I realized that eight percent of the
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: dentists come from HBCUs who are black, eight percent of
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: the teachers from hbc s are black, and for the
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: percent of the congressmen who are black in Congress are
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: from HBCU schools. All these numbers are not numbers are
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: making up of the black stem graduates are from HBCU schools.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: All these numbers are numbers that I have memorized and
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: I and I speak it out because people need to.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: People who don't know are shocked. Huh yeah, yeah. So
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying when I say that mollledge that it's
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: important that people don't act like they're doing a favor,
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: like you know, you know HBCUs you should be like
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: pumping billions of dollars into HBC. Used when you see
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: the results that's coming out of them, well you hit
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: it right on the head. Because we're I'm an investor,
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: like I have shareholders that I have to report back
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: to and they're looking for a return on on investment.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: We're going into these these schools. Yes, there's a component
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: of the words. It's educationally. We want to make sure
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: that the students will you know, who haven't had access
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: to understand what it means to be an entrepreneur. But
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: make mistake about it, this isn't just a theoretical exercise.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: We anticipate that by getting connected into these these schools
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: and helping develop some of these ideas, some ideas coming
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: out of it are going to be ones that we
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: want to invest in. And we're going to be first
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: in line because we were there at the at the beginning.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: And that's what all investors want. They want that proprietary
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: deal flow that they get to see first before you know,
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: everybody else you know, jumps on the bandwagon. And and
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: we feel a hundred percent convinced that as one, two, three,
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: and the numbers start picking up of really success full
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: startups coming out of HPTUS, and then everybody is going
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: to be flooding the you know, flooding the doors to
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: get access and be on the front lines of it,
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: which is again going to be this rising tie that lifts,
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: that lifts everything. And and so we're playing are hopefully
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: a part in that to ignite that spark and then
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: once it's once it's lift, and we anticipate other folks
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: coming around and saying, huh, I didn't realize that there
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: is just that level of talent there. Maybe I should
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: take a second look. And that's what I was getting at,
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: you know, not realizing and then being surprised. But then
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: and I just really want to know when I when
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: I read about you know, Netflix making their donation and
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: to HBCU schools, and you know, I mean, I'm just
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: trying to say it, right, is that these donations along
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: what would you let me see that every one? Secondly,
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: if you just sit back and realize when I saw
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: nor whenever here President Trump, you know, like he's done
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: a favor, like I've done more for black people. Stop
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: stop stop stop, Okay, Look, we're not asking for favors.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: And that's why I think Black people have started have
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: to start trumpeting their success. And that's why I was
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: talking about earlier when I was talking about athleticism in
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 1: the black community, we trumpet that, you know, we see
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: that as a real opportunity to get out of the hood,
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: and a lot of times we don't see that academics
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: is really the real opportunity to get out of the
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: hood and stay out of the hoods through academics. And
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: that's what you're doing with this pro with this Founders program,
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: is moving academics to the forefront and then letting everybody
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: know the value of HBCUs am I hiding on the
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: am I speaking in the right direction? You are? You are?
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, just and that the whole which you just
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: mentioned around athletes and entertainers kind of put on a pedestal,
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: which is great, and just drilling down into that a
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: little bit just to make the point of well, why
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: why were they successful? Because there was a level start
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of our conversation, of hard work, of hustle,
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: of ingenuity of you know, the chips may have been
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: against them, but they figured out a way I mean,
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: all of that is entrepreneurship. There were some students I
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: was talking to over the weekend. It was a Saturday
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: and the Sunday, and they were involved in this program
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: with the Black Venture Capital Consortium, and I said, first
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: of all, let me just give you guys a shout
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: out for the grind. It's a Saturday, it's a Sunday,
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: and you you all are sitting in here listening to
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: me share about this, about this program, trying to better yourself.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: I mean that mentality is what makes for successful entrepreneurs
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: and we just want to flip that light and say, look,
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: you can do this as well. You've proven it, whether
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: it's on the athletic yield or entertainment or the fact
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: that you're sitting there on a Saturday or Sunday. You've
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: proven you have that desire and that will. Now let's
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: just make sure it gets tied into the resources that
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: can help that that grow. And that's what we're we're
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: hoping to do through the HBC Founders Program. And that's
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: a program. When I went to high school Marland, I
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: was I was just a gifted kid, you know, academic.
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 1: I just walking a room and see something walk out
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: the room. It was just in my head and so
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to pick up a book, didn't care
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: about college. I remember my daughter. My father was a
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: truck driver and so when he gave me my first
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: job opportunity, Uh, my mentors were forklift drivers and black
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 1: men who I loaded trucks. So that's what I wanted
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: to be. When I graduate from high school. Despite being
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: in the top percentage of my class, I went and
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: got a job as a forklift driver because that was
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: my vision. That was my man. They had cars, they
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: can go in the grocery store by what they want
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: by and they were having a good time. I thought,
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: that's a that's that was good enough for me, and
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: it's about raising the standards. And so what happened was
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: at the simultaneously I would live in that life, but
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: I had some teachers that said, this guy is really gifted,
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: and so they moved me into a small group of students.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: By ten of us are one of my best friends,
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: Regina Rodney, she graduated from Rice and Shall Roberts, she
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: graduated from Port University. I didn't even know why they
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: went to those schools. I would like, that's how far
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: away I was from academics and when I do when
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: I say, individuals like me are those of those can
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: be those casualties if we don't do what you're doing
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: with this program, we don't put in and I think,
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: like I said, put blinders on opportunities that are real
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: and focused kids like me on real opportunities, and then
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: we become the stars of the community and we go
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: give back because academics are the key for long term success.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: As you know, it's an athlete. God has given you
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: a window where your athletic skill will shine after a while,
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: they would do two year after year after year. Academically.
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: I tell everybody, you can't reput my degree, my degree,
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: mathematics degree in that wall. Nobody's gonna repot that. They
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: can report your call, they can reput with your house,
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: they can anything if you don't have a position to
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: be able to pay for it. And that's why I
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 1: want you to bring you on the show to talk
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: about this, because you're stopping the repo opportunities in people's lives,
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: especially in the black community, if they get their academic
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: story together. M H. Now, I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Yeah,
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: and we we recognize that um, we're not. We have
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: to play our our part, but it's eventually it's going
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: to take a larger kind of effort. And which is
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: why we're pulling in these these corporates and saying, hey, book,
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: it's not just about writing a check. We need you
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: to engage, we need you to mentor we need you
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: to be that example for these students to say, hey,
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: maybe it's don't end up going on and launching a business,
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: but I can go work for a T and T
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: or or Morgan Stanley and and then maybe I do
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: that for a little while, and then I remember all
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: the things that I learned as a as an entrepreneur,
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: and then I start my own business. But more and
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: more of us need to show up and say, look,
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: this is where, here's an example, here's a pathway for
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 1: you to to get there, and if this is something
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: that you're interested in, we're going to be here to
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 1: be supportive of that. My question before we leave the
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: name next queue, which there really any x three? Uh?
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: Where did that come from? Because the name of the
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: coming of the next cube, even though it says any
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: x three, yes, it's uh, it's next cube. And part
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: of it is that there's kind of things often come
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 1: in come in three. So there's three aspects to our
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: you know, to our business. We we do our invest thing,
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: we have some work we do with our corporate partners,
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: and then we work with later stage companies. So those
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 1: are kind of the three main activities. But probably more,
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: you know, symbolically is just thinking about how we can
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: provide kind of exponential um growth for the companies that
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: are that are working with us, that you bring what
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: you're bringing to the table, we bring what we are
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: bringing to the table, and then that's going to generate
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 1: even exponential return. So that that's a part of the
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: the rationale behind the name and UM in the future
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 1: because you know, I know you said a T and
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: T s on board. You're working on Morgan Stanley to
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: come on board these financial commitments to be able to
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: build a model that has long term success and not
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: success is not the right and the tide of change
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: which came about due to the George Floyd killing and
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: people feeling there's a certain degree of simpty, this is
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: what I want to make sure all But I don't
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: want your sympathy, I want your I want your support.
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: I want your support because this is value. This is
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: like you know you, you know you you you you mind, uh,
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: diamonds because it has value. You use real for oil
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: because it has value. I'm just letting you you support
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: these HPC use in the academic opportunity because it adds value. Uh.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: It brings in corporate citizens, taxpayers, good people who create
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  Speaker 1: highland value and also make this country safe and academically
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  Speaker 1: less challenge and more competitive in the global scale. That's
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  Speaker 1: why I want to make sure people understand I don't
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  Speaker 1: need your sympathy. I just need you to start mining
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  Speaker 1: and supporting the value that HBCUs and African Americans in
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  Speaker 1: general bring to this country. Yeah. No, And that's those
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  Speaker 1: are the conversations we're having with the corporates and bring
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  Speaker 1: Sammy has signed on ATNP, has signed on others well,
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  Speaker 1: and what we're sharing with them and they know this
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  Speaker 1: this this is just fact, like more diverse companies are
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  Speaker 1: more successful companies. So they know within their own institutions
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  Speaker 1: that they need to start recruiting a more diverse pool
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  Speaker 1: of talent because that's going to impact their shareholder value
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  Speaker 1: down the road. So they understand it. They're just needing
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  Speaker 1: now to figure out how do we do this on
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  Speaker 1: a more systematic way so that we're reaching all of
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  Speaker 1: the all of the talent, and they see our program
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  Speaker 1: is one piece of that. There's other things obviously that
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  Speaker 1: they'll they'll be doing to help help dry those those goals.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, this isn't this is not a handout. This
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  Speaker 1: is a way for you to create more shareholder value
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  Speaker 1: by tapping into great talent that's going to help your
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  Speaker 1: your business. And so we we see it as a win.
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  Speaker 1: If the companies, the students going through the program start
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  Speaker 1: a company or if they go work for one of
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  Speaker 1: our partners, that's also a way for us as well. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I knew you could appreciate it being an athlete who
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  Speaker 1: was recruited to uh, you know, first tier tier one
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  Speaker 1: institution called Stanford University, and you got that b A
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  Speaker 1: and the political science and that masters and sociology, and
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  Speaker 1: that we have a kinship. My friend. I want you,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to stay in touch with me. I've
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  Speaker 1: launched a platform called hbc U Awards will recognize uh
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  Speaker 1: uh black excellence at HBCUs and black people in general
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  Speaker 1: and in a business, entertainment and entrepreneurship. And so these
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  Speaker 1: are these are lanes. I want to be able to
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  Speaker 1: advance and I just wanted to bring you on the show. Mallan,
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