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Bill Duke Full Interview · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: Slash my Heart My next guest is an accomplished actor
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Speaker 1: on shows like Falcolm Crest's Fame, Hill Street, Blues, Knots, Landing,
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Speaker 1: shot j R? And New York Undercover off on fox
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Speaker 1: Man That was the Show. His film critics include Get
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Speaker 1: Rich or Die Trying, Hoodling, Predator, Minister Society. That is
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Speaker 1: a movie. If you've not seen it, you should catalog
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Speaker 1: that that is one of the best urban um interestited
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Speaker 1: movies of how dry bys and interstity violence. I was
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Speaker 1: living in l A at the time when that movie
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Speaker 1: came out, so it was really very relatable and anymore.
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Speaker 1: He's a TV and film director and UH deep Cover
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Speaker 1: when he was with Jeff goldbloom Man. We gotta talk
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Speaker 1: about that man s the act two, UH, producer, writer,
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Speaker 1: and the author of the new book that we're gonna
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Speaker 1: talk about on the show today. Bill Duke for your
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Speaker 1: career on screen and behind in the cameras. As I
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Speaker 1: said his name, Please welcome the money making conversations Bill Duke, God,
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Speaker 1: bless you, my brother. Thanks for having me. Hey Bill,
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Speaker 1: how are you doing? My friend? I'm blessed man, thank
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Speaker 1: you for having me on your show. Well, first of all, uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, you know, I know your talents. We we've
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Speaker 1: we've we kind of met a couple of times when
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Speaker 1: you came by Steve always the morning show, and uh,
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Speaker 1: he was always quiet but always had a message about
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Speaker 1: giving back man evening. That's that's about my fifteen years
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Speaker 1: ago when we had that conversation, and I see you
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Speaker 1: still maintaining that with your foundation. Talk to us about
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Speaker 1: it before we get into the book. Well, it's the
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Speaker 1: Duke Media Foundation and you can see it online at
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Speaker 1: Duke Media Foundation dot org. Just Media Foundation dot org.
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Speaker 1: And we teach young people who are interested in our industry. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Two things. One is media literacy. We've gone from some
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Speaker 1: television to Hulu, Crackical, Amazon, Netflix, augmented reality for reality,
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Speaker 1: cell phone apps. I mean it goes on and on
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Speaker 1: and on, and it's not about just purchasing those things.
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Speaker 1: What are the jobs behind those issues? And the second
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Speaker 1: thing we teach young people is financial literacy. We are
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Speaker 1: taught how to spend money, but now to use money.
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Speaker 1: So we teach them about what is the FBI C
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Speaker 1: what's the Federal Reserve? Was the stock market? What is
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Speaker 1: Wall Street? What's debt with his credit with his compound interest?
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Speaker 1: What are the phones? So that they're given the information
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Speaker 1: that they can utilize to their benefit in terms of
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Speaker 1: leveraging dollars for themselves. That's really amazing. And what's the
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Speaker 1: age group? And how can one uh I get a
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Speaker 1: young person assuming this male and female? And what's the
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Speaker 1: age group that participates in this in your foundation program?
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Speaker 1: They're high schools from fourteen to eighteen years old. And
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Speaker 1: we try to hold it four times a year. UM.
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Speaker 1: We are constantly raking funds for it because we think
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Speaker 1: we want to eventually take a national sir. Particularly, financial
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Speaker 1: literacy is so important. You know, we were how to
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Speaker 1: spend money for now to use this absolutely well? You
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Speaker 1: know the thing about it is always used me as
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Speaker 1: an asset, you know when you're doing it again? And Bill,
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Speaker 1: first of all a fan. You've been like a mentor
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Speaker 1: to me because I've watched your talent. Uh. People don't
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Speaker 1: understand you don't have to know somebody for somebody to
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Speaker 1: be your mentor. It's just what they how they carry themselves,
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Speaker 1: how they present themselves on screen, the accomplishments. And watching
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Speaker 1: your career, I have to say, you're you have been
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Speaker 1: a mentor to me because you've laid the groundwork to
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Speaker 1: say this can happen. This can happen. And you have
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Speaker 1: a production company there that produces film and television show
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Speaker 1: called Duke Media Entertainment. Let them Let the fans and
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Speaker 1: the listeners know about that. Well, we um try our best,
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Speaker 1: you know, to collaborate with other companies, network, studios, online,
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Speaker 1: et cetera, to create content. We call it entertainment and
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Speaker 1: we don't creature or anything, but we think that, you know,
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Speaker 1: you can entertain people but also give them a little
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Speaker 1: nothing to think about, uh without you know, because we
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Speaker 1: don't know everything. But you know, there are issues that
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Speaker 1: raise their head that should be addressed and you can
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Speaker 1: do it in an entertaining way. So we try our
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Speaker 1: best to do that. And so um, that's that's that's
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Speaker 1: our goal. Well, you know the interesting thing about having
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Speaker 1: a production company, because I have one, is and uh
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Speaker 1: but yours is way more advanced in mind, Bill, and
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Speaker 1: is that when you think about how do people what
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Speaker 1: are the wrong the incorrect way that people present ideas
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Speaker 1: to try to pitch ideas to you aught your production company,
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Speaker 1: if you can give by my listeners, Uh, how quick?
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Speaker 1: How to and how don't to pitch an idea? Well?
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Speaker 1: First of all, um, today pitching an idea? UM A
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Speaker 1: lot of the creative executives industry or accountants and UM,
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Speaker 1: you know you're going to pitch an idea verbally. I
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Speaker 1: think you protect yourself better if you have what it's
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Speaker 1: called the deck, and it's a visual digital presentation of
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Speaker 1: the vision. Um, who is your basic audience? How many
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Speaker 1: of them are there? What is your gender, et cetera.
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Speaker 1: Have a little sizzle reel, would be great to have
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Speaker 1: the script plus a synopsis. But to answer your vital questions,
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Speaker 1: I used to go pitching with passion and all kinds
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Speaker 1: of well my grandfather, big grandfather was a slave or whatever,
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Speaker 1: and that of that. This is why it's important. I
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Speaker 1: used to pick those ideas. And I go back to
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Speaker 1: my agent because no one picked the ideas up, and
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Speaker 1: I said, what in the name, but what's going on?
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Speaker 1: And so he said, hey, Bill, did you answer the
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Speaker 1: essential questions in the first three minutes of the pitch
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Speaker 1: and said, what is that question? He said, Bill, what
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Speaker 1: they want to know is I want the hell you're
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Speaker 1: gonna make me mo money? Then yeah, that's true, that's true.
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Speaker 1: I never thought about that. But you you couldn't have
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Speaker 1: all the past that you want if you can't tell
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Speaker 1: them how you can make them the money back and
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Speaker 1: ain't gonna work too well, that's not gonna work at all.
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Speaker 1: So that's so it means they definitely having that deck.
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Speaker 1: And I also have a sense of what a per
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Speaker 1: episode costs is gonna be if that's if you're talking
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Speaker 1: about because I was talking to a president of a
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Speaker 1: network the other day and they asked me, uh, I
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Speaker 1: was talking about a cooking show, he said. He immediately asked.
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Speaker 1: He immediately asked me, okay, what's the prayer episode calls?
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Speaker 1: And I went, oh, I would uh, let me let
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Speaker 1: me get back with you. And because you know, because
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Speaker 1: a lot of people thought, you know, I had to
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Speaker 1: go there, you know, me, me, me had to go uh,
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Speaker 1: I didn't expect that to come out in this conversation
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Speaker 1: so fast. I like that idea, what's the what's the
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Speaker 1: proy episode costs? I went, uh, because you know you
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Speaker 1: want to throw out the wrong number. You throwing the
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Speaker 1: wrong number kill the deal, or you throw out the
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Speaker 1: wrong number and you can lose money because you could
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Speaker 1: have made more money. So you So I hesitated. And
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Speaker 1: so because everybody is talking about digital, they're talking about streaming,
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Speaker 1: they're talking about cable, they're talking about television, and each
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Speaker 1: one of those carry a different price tag or what
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Speaker 1: you can actually charge per episode or what you can
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Speaker 1: accomplish production quality. So it's really amazing that you said
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Speaker 1: that because I was victim of that last week, Bill.
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Speaker 1: So that's so, let's talk about this book. Let's talk
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Speaker 1: about this book. Man. I've read the book, Bill Duke
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Speaker 1: for your career on screen and behind the camera. Um My, my,
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Speaker 1: my first takeaway of this book because you were born
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Speaker 1: and raised in Bookkeepsie in New York. That's where IBM.
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Speaker 1: I used to work for IBM. Sorry immediately uh related
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Speaker 1: to that story. UM, tell me about why did you
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Speaker 1: write this book, Bill? Well, I wrote it for several reasons.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's um the legacies from my family, you know. UM,
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Speaker 1: I really wanted people to know about the era in
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Speaker 1: which I grew up in and the people who guided
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Speaker 1: me through that time up doing it. I'm a segregation yes, sir, um.
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Speaker 1: And my mother and father came from I followed from Orange, Virginia.
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Speaker 1: My mother was from West Point, Mississippi. And they saw
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Speaker 1: things that I can't even you know. They saw lynchings
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Speaker 1: and they called nigger barbecues where they put up on
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Speaker 1: and turned us we were, we were alive and turn
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Speaker 1: us around spitch to we dehydrated. Um. So I wanted
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Speaker 1: to to leave an understanding of our history and what
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Speaker 1: we came from and where we are now and who
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Speaker 1: contributed to the fact that we have the freedoms that
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Speaker 1: we have now. Um. And I wanted to pay homage
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Speaker 1: to the people that helped me get where I am. Uh.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't just me that people care about me. When
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Speaker 1: they saw we're gonna be right back from now we
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Speaker 1: will arle more. Bill, we're talking more about this book
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Speaker 1: or Bill do for your career on screen and behind
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Speaker 1: the camera. Got a lot more questions, a lot more
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Speaker 1: movies to talk about. Don't go nowhere. It's Sean mcdonwald.
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Speaker 1: You're listening to money making conversations on the phone as
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Speaker 1: the incredible Bill Duke. He's talking about this new book,
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Speaker 1: Bill Duke for your career on screen and behind the camera. Uh, Bill,
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Speaker 1: you were talking about while you decided to write the book,
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Speaker 1: we was ending the first break. Uh please, Uh you
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Speaker 1: had some more thoughts there if you can wrap it up,
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Speaker 1: and I have a tremendous amount of more could I
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Speaker 1: read the book, and I'm really excited about sharing. I
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Speaker 1: won't give away the book sharing some of the uh
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Speaker 1: things that moved me about your book. So, Uh did
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Speaker 1: you did you complete your thought on why you wrote
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Speaker 1: the book? Yeah? I got it. Yeah, I wrote it
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Speaker 1: because I wanted to also get back and uh maybe
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Speaker 1: get some negative information that could be helpful to young
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Speaker 1: people are getting into the business. Also because the business
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Speaker 1: of discipline not just passion, and the business understanding the
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Speaker 1: business of the industry. So I wanted to give that back. Also.
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Speaker 1: You know when I when I read the book, because
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Speaker 1: of the fact that you know, race played a major
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Speaker 1: role in your upbringing. You know your skin color. Um.
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Speaker 1: Uh parents who are blatant victims of racism. Uh, you
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Speaker 1: will beat down because of you didn't stop. You were
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Speaker 1: walking and some people beat you down because you didn't stop. Um.
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Speaker 1: And now a man who's lived this life, this journey
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Speaker 1: talk about race, like can you can you talk about
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Speaker 1: race every decade in your life or every twenty years?
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Speaker 1: Has it changed over the years your your relationship with
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Speaker 1: race and racial discrimination, or just expound on that if
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Speaker 1: you can. Well, I think there have been some changes,
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Speaker 1: There has been some progress, but it doesn't mean that
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Speaker 1: it has all gone away. An unfortunate time of division,
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Speaker 1: and I think that you know, it's because of basic
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Speaker 1: ignorance and it's not just how can I say this? Um?
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Speaker 1: I used to think it was just black against white
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Speaker 1: for those kinds of things. But I I did a
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Speaker 1: documentary a couple of years ago called Dark Girls, another
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Speaker 1: one called Light Girls. There's racism in the black community. Uh,
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Speaker 1: and it came from slavely. You know, light is considered
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Speaker 1: better over dark. Sometimes, i'mline if you go to hashtag
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Speaker 1: team Mike skin and hashtag team darkkins black women over
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Speaker 1: trying to members. You know in each group they're clean
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Speaker 1: over a skin color and those kinds of things. So
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Speaker 1: our humanity is the foundation of everything, but sometimes we
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Speaker 1: are pre occupied with our differences rather than our semi similarities.
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Speaker 1: That's really important. Now, what is the questions I want
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Speaker 1: to ask about your home? Life, and it was it
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Speaker 1: was interesting. But your uncle's they stayed in the in
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Speaker 1: your room with you, which I think is either sitcom
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Speaker 1: or nice drama series man Uncle Albert, Uncle Eddie, and
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Speaker 1: Uncle Howard of day some I'm saying, you know, I
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Speaker 1: read this book. You know I read your book. Now,
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Speaker 1: you don't just start talking about these three dudes. If
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Speaker 1: you had read this book. Now, now, those three people
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Speaker 1: each was individually to each other. Did I'm like, I'm
13:11
Speaker 1: each had their own um blend talk about their effect
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Speaker 1: and then you know, we're gonna sit down me and you.
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Speaker 1: You might read all eight. You might be ahead of
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Speaker 1: the curve already because that right there, my friend, is
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Speaker 1: a TV show. Talk to me about those those three uncles.
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Speaker 1: I'll talk to the faith basically, well basically my my
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Speaker 1: my family with the guardians of our entire family. Whenever
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Speaker 1: there was a problem. Um, my mother and father had
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Speaker 1: great kind hearts and they would help our relatives. And
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Speaker 1: the place where they would stay when they had a problem,
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Speaker 1: it would come to our house and they stay in
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Speaker 1: my bedroom and there were two beds there, and so
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Speaker 1: I was like that was the motel to them. And
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Speaker 1: I love them all, but they had very strong personalities
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Speaker 1: and a lot. That's what you're gonna say. That's what
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Speaker 1: you're gonna say, strong, huh. I give an example. My
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Speaker 1: cousin Ernest, who stayed with us. He um didn't have
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Speaker 1: health insurance, so I used to pull his own teeth.
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Speaker 1: And I had to observe this. I had observed them.
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Speaker 1: He drink half a bottle of liquor. Uh, take a
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Speaker 1: knife and cut around his gums. TI this string to
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Speaker 1: his tooth and then to a door knob and closed
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Speaker 1: the door. That's how it was. But he didn't do
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Speaker 1: it just one time, though, Yeah, and and and and
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Speaker 1: then and then one day I made the mistake of
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Speaker 1: letting him know I had a toothache, and he volunteered
14:46
Speaker 1: to help me. I said, no, thank you, sir. In
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Speaker 1: the book, he did it several times. It was like
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Speaker 1: he was drunk one day and decide, no, no, this
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Speaker 1: was the way of dentistry. That's right, that's right. He
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Speaker 1: was the dentist. I'm saying. And then we would and
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Speaker 1: if he would put it wasting our money on the
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Speaker 1: white man, you know what I'm saying. This was turning.
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Speaker 1: So you hadn't even talked about them, Uncle, This was
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Speaker 1: cousin Ernest. He was. He came after the first three
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Speaker 1: uncle did currently cousin Ernest came into his life. Now, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you had you had Eddie and then you had a Howard.
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Speaker 1: M that's right, Uncle uncle uncle, um uncle um uh Albert,
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Speaker 1: Uncle Howard. You know, they had both been in the
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Speaker 1: service and they came back, you know, not physically wounded,
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Speaker 1: but I would say mostly wounded because they fought for
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Speaker 1: a nation. But they came back and they were treated
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Speaker 1: like you know, black folks, you know, and that was very,
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Speaker 1: very hurtful to them. And many times they set up
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Speaker 1: like you know, um, uncle Uncle Albert used to up
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Speaker 1: in the bed and talked to himself and um. And
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Speaker 1: you know, after a while he got himself back together,
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Speaker 1: but he would talk to himself in my room. And
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Speaker 1: then Uncle Howard he was. He was an angry, angry
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Speaker 1: guy because of how society had treated him. And if
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Speaker 1: you've looked at him, he would ask me, not only
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Speaker 1: what what are you looking at? But did you want
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Speaker 1: a confrontation? Um? You know, it's those kinds of things. Um.
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Speaker 1: And but Uncle Eddie was a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant dancer, singer,
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Speaker 1: comedian person never got a break and became an alcoholic
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Speaker 1: and a drug head. And he stayed in my room
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Speaker 1: and he told jokes and he sang songs, and I
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Speaker 1: was his audience right right and writing this book and
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Speaker 1: when I was going through it, just the different levels
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Speaker 1: because drugs played a negative role in your life and
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Speaker 1: and you was able to overcome that. But you know,
17:03
Speaker 1: the one thing that in your in the relationship because
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Speaker 1: you were molested early on by a babysitter and that
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Speaker 1: affected your your your your relationship with women over the years.
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Speaker 1: And but I want I don't want to talk about that.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about you, the pioneer, you know, UH,
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Speaker 1: you know, early days of television, directing hit shows, you know,
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Speaker 1: doing incredibly uh, I feel movies that I without who
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Speaker 1: I mean deep Cover, which is one of my all
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Speaker 1: time favorite movies. How did you make that transition to directing? Well, Um,
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Speaker 1: I was directing uh stage played uh in New York
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Speaker 1: and out here in l A also, But I was
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Speaker 1: always and I wrote my own stuff, but I was
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Speaker 1: always intimidated by the equipment of you know, the cameras
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Speaker 1: in there, the dolly grip, the dollies and UH and
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Speaker 1: the lights and everything, and I just overwhelmed. But at
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Speaker 1: and so UM I got um a show called Promise
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Speaker 1: Town USA by um, you know normally and how Silly
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Speaker 1: produced it. I was on a couple of seasons um
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Speaker 1: Janelle Allen on myself, but then I didn't work two
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Speaker 1: years after that, and I said I would I reready
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Speaker 1: get over the sphere because I'd have more than one skill.
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Speaker 1: I applied to the American Film Institute, got in and
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Speaker 1: thank god ahead, I said, wow, that's awesome, and uh,
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Speaker 1: I got a film out of that called The Hero
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Speaker 1: and it got some recognition. I shot it around to everybody.
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Speaker 1: They wouldn't take it and so they won't let me directly.
18:38
Speaker 1: I went away on a retreat for um meditations. I'm
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Speaker 1: a transple meditation practitioner, and I wanted to cheat. My
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Speaker 1: agent close and he says, David Jacobs wants to see
18:49
Speaker 1: you from Notch Landing music producer. I said what, so
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Speaker 1: I flew. I went back and met with David Jacobs.
18:57
Speaker 1: It was like a strange little meeting, very brief, and
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Speaker 1: then m for my age, it's not gonna happen. A
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Speaker 1: week later, the agent calls me, said, David Jacobs wants
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Speaker 1: you to direct the first episode of Not Landing. I cheered.
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Speaker 1: I was so happy. Then I went to work and
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Speaker 1: I was there for like, you know, prepping the h
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Speaker 1: And the last day of prep, Joe Wallentine comes says,
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Speaker 1: do you know we know you're gonna be a great
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Speaker 1: director from your reel? I said, what reel? Well, the
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Speaker 1: view you turn into David? I said, no, I just
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Speaker 1: got to af He's to wait a minute. He goes
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Speaker 1: to the David Jacob's office. David Jacobs had mixed my
19:32
Speaker 1: box up with someone else's. That's why I got my
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Speaker 1: first job. That's a blessing. That's a blessing, but God,
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Speaker 1: God blessed me. But also the obviously I was going
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Speaker 1: to tell you was about my first day on Dallas.
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Speaker 1: I was the first black director on Dallas. And I
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Speaker 1: go to the gates and I rolled the window down
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Speaker 1: and the security guard says to me, who are you
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Speaker 1: delivering for? That was That was a moment. And that's
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