Latest / The Ben Ferguson Podcast / Israel vs. Iran, Who's Winning, What's Next & Will America Bomb Fordow

Transcript

Israel vs. Iran, Who's Winning, What's Next & Will America Bomb Fordow · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Welcome in his Verdicus Center.
• 0:02
  Speaker 2: Ted Kruz Ben Ferguson with you, and We've got a
• 0:05
  Speaker 2: lot to unpack on the show, especially when it deals
• 0:08
  Speaker 2: with the issue of Iran and where we are right now.
• 0:11
  Speaker 3: Well, Israel is winning massive victories in Iran that they
• 0:14
  Speaker 3: have decimated Iran's military leadership. We've seen one chief of
• 0:19
  Speaker 3: staff after another after another of Iran's military taken out
• 0:23
  Speaker 3: by Israel. We have seen nuclear facilities across Iran taken
• 0:28
  Speaker 3: out by Israel. The attacks have been incredibly effective. Iran
• 0:33
  Speaker 3: is striking back. They are firing ballistic missiles into Israel,
• 0:38
  Speaker 3: trying to kill civilians. Israel is attacking military targets, Iran
• 0:42
  Speaker 3: is attacking civilian targets. So far, the degree of success
• 0:46
  Speaker 3: has been spectacular.
• 0:48
  Speaker 4: But yet the question remains, what is America's role? What
• 0:53
  Speaker 4: do we do?
• 0:53
  Speaker 3: Is America as the Trump administration, going to be directly
• 0:57
  Speaker 3: involved in taking out the Ford Oh nuclear facility in Iran.
• 1:01
  Speaker 3: We're going to break that down in this podcast.
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04
  Speaker 2: I want to also just talk to you real quickly
• 1:06
  Speaker 2: about what you can do to help the people in Israel.
• 1:09
  Speaker 2: And we've been talking for a long time about an
• 1:12
  Speaker 2: organization called the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. And
• 1:15
  Speaker 2: right now, after you're witnessing what is happening, you may say,
• 1:18
  Speaker 2: you know what, I want to stand with the people
• 1:20
  Speaker 2: in Israel and what we're saying it is disturbing Anti
• 1:23
  Speaker 2: Semitism on the rise, not just in the Middle East, but.
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: Even here in America.
• 1:28
  Speaker 2: We're seeing Jewish schools, they are being targeted, synagogues, they
• 1:31
  Speaker 2: are being threatened, Families that are living in fear, and
• 1:34
  Speaker 2: it's a whole nother level of pain that we're witnessing
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: in Israel. And that's why I want you to get
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: involved with the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. They're
• 1:44
  Speaker 2: on the front lines and they're giving food and shelter
• 1:47
  Speaker 2: to so many displaced Jewish families that are under threat.
• 1:51
  Speaker 2: They're also literally as we speak, building bomb shelters just
• 1:56
  Speaker 2: for children to be able to save more children with
• 1:59
  Speaker 2: all of the rockets that are coming in. They're helping
• 2:02
  Speaker 2: survivors of hate rebuild their lives and their homes. And
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: they don't just respond to this crisis, they work every
• 2:09
  Speaker 2: day to prevent future crisis from even happening. Now, how
• 2:13
  Speaker 2: can you help, Well, you can have a simple gift
• 2:15
  Speaker 2: of just forty five dollars that will help support their
• 2:17
  Speaker 2: life saving work by providing food and sheltering so much
• 2:21
  Speaker 2: more so, if you want to stand with the people
• 2:23
  Speaker 2: in Israel, you can do it right now by getting
• 2:26
  Speaker 2: involved with IFCJ. You can call to make a donation
• 2:30
  Speaker 2: eight a eight four eight eight IFCJ. That's eight eight
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: eight four eight eight four three two five. You can
• 2:38
  Speaker 2: also give securely at IFCJ dot org. That's IFCJ dot org.
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: Every dollar helps. Don't wait. Be the difference IFCJ dot
• 2:48
  Speaker 2: org or eight at eight four eight eight IFCJ. All right,
• 2:52
  Speaker 2: So Center, you started your day very early dealing with
• 2:55
  Speaker 2: this issue of Iran.
• 2:56
  Speaker 1: First off, well I did.
• 2:59
  Speaker 3: I spent two hours in my office first thing this
• 3:01
  Speaker 3: morning doing an interview with Tucker Carlson. Now, you and
• 3:05
  Speaker 3: I both know Tucker well, we like Tucker. I agree
• 3:09
  Speaker 3: with Tucker on eighty percent of the issues. I think
• 3:12
  Speaker 3: he's been fantastic on a ton of issues. He's been
• 3:14
  Speaker 3: fantastic on securing the border. He's been fantastic on standing
• 3:18
  Speaker 3: up to COVID lockdowns, to standing up to COVID vaccine mandates.
• 3:22
  Speaker 3: He's been great on free speech. He's been great on
• 3:24
  Speaker 3: the Second Amendment. We agree, and in fact, I will
• 3:27
  Speaker 3: say during the idiotic COVID lockdowns, Tucker's monologue every night
• 3:32
  Speaker 3: on Fox was the single best thing on television, which
• 3:36
  Speaker 3: I told him at the time, and I agree with him.
• 3:39
  Speaker 4: I will say.
• 3:40
  Speaker 3: On foreign policy, Tucker has gone back crap crazy. He's
• 3:44
  Speaker 3: gone off the rails. He is suddenly a hardcore isolationist.
• 3:51
  Speaker 4: And so he asked.
• 3:52
  Speaker 3: He asked about a month ago, Hey, I'd like to
• 3:53
  Speaker 3: come interview, and I knew he was coming in to
• 3:57
  Speaker 3: interview me, and it was not going to be pleasant.
• 3:58
  Speaker 3: He disagrees with me on foreign policy, so we were
• 4:01
  Speaker 3: going to have in a rough and tumble fight. We
• 4:03
  Speaker 3: agreed to this interview a month ago. And yet it
• 4:07
  Speaker 3: ended up happening today, right when Israel and Iran are
• 4:10
  Speaker 3: in a war and Tucker has spent the last several
• 4:14
  Speaker 3: days attacking Donald Trump and saying Donald Trump was.
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: It was just really odd. Can we talk about that.
• 4:19
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that are shell shocked right now, saying, like,
• 4:22
  Speaker 2: what is happening? Tucker Carlson, who's usually hanging out with
• 4:25
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump during the campaign and up on stage, is
• 4:28
  Speaker 2: now attacking Donald Trump.
• 4:30
  Speaker 1: This is not what anyone was expecting.
• 4:32
  Speaker 3: Yes, he's blasted Trump as complicit in this horrible attack,
• 4:36
  Speaker 3: and he keeps saying World War three is gonna happen.
• 4:39
  Speaker 3: And he's been just over the top. And I will
• 4:41
  Speaker 3: tell you we sat down, we did it in my office,
• 4:44
  Speaker 3: and it started off. Look, I did not intend to
• 4:47
  Speaker 3: get combative, but it started off his first question. He
• 4:50
  Speaker 3: was throwing haymakers at me, and he was coming at me.
• 4:53
  Speaker 3: And it was a two hour interview. The interview will
• 4:59
  Speaker 3: come out Wednesday at one pm, and so you can
• 5:02
  Speaker 3: watch the whole two hour interview. And he attacks Trump,
• 5:06
  Speaker 3: he blasts what he calls the APAC lobby, and he
• 5:09
  Speaker 3: spends twenty minutes focused on how he thinks the APAC
• 5:12
  Speaker 3: lobby is dominating American foreign policy. And I will tell
• 5:16
  Speaker 3: you it gets pretty rough.
• 5:17
  Speaker 2: And because I for people that, by the way, don't
• 5:19
  Speaker 2: know APAC, can you explain what that is?
• 5:22
  Speaker 3: So APAK is the American Israel Political Action Committee and
• 5:26
  Speaker 3: it is a group of Americans who care about standing
• 5:29
  Speaker 3: with Israel. And Tucker argued, they are a foreign lobby
• 5:35
  Speaker 3: working for the government of Israel that should register and
• 5:37
  Speaker 3: should be prosecuted for not being registered. And it was
• 5:40
  Speaker 3: just unhinged. And I get like their conspiracy sections of
• 5:45
  Speaker 3: the Internet that that that are worried that like Apak
• 5:48
  Speaker 3: is running the world.
• 5:49
  Speaker 4: It's just not reality.
• 5:51
  Speaker 3: And and and he didn't like like it when I
• 5:53
  Speaker 3: called him out on it, and and I did.
• 5:56
  Speaker 1: He also that there's.
• 5:58
  Speaker 3: A completely surreal portion where I pointed out that Iran
• 6:02
  Speaker 3: is actively trying to murder Donald J. Trump has hired hitman.
• 6:05
  Speaker 3: And he just said, that's not true. I've never heard
• 6:07
  Speaker 3: anything about it. I don't know anything about it. Well,
• 6:09
  Speaker 3: it happens to be a fact. It happens to be.
• 6:11
  Speaker 3: Do oj is indicted Iranian hitman for trying to murder
• 6:15
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump?
• 6:17
  Speaker 4: And and so that.
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: You know that. By the way, when you brought that up,
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: or was he refusing to accept.
• 6:22
  Speaker 3: He insisted I was lying. He was just like, that's
• 6:24
  Speaker 3: not true. So I'll say this Today's podcast is on Wednesday,
• 6:31
  Speaker 3: Friday's podcast. We're going to break down in depth this
• 6:36
  Speaker 3: interview because it's it's important that the foreign policy divide.
• 6:40
  Speaker 3: I think isolationists those who oppose And by the way,
• 6:45
  Speaker 3: I went back at Tucker and I said, Okay, is
• 6:49
  Speaker 3: there any military intervention that that that Trump has done
• 6:52
  Speaker 3: that you agreed with, and he wouldn't agree with anything.
• 6:55
  Speaker 3: And it's just in my view. And I lay this
• 6:58
  Speaker 3: out at length and listen Friday podcast, we're going to
• 7:00
  Speaker 3: do a deep dive. But traditionally there have been two
• 7:04
  Speaker 3: polls in Republican foreign policy analysis, interventionists and isolationists. I
• 7:09
  Speaker 3: think they're both wrong. I consider myself a third point
• 7:13
  Speaker 3: on the triangle. I am a non interventionist hawk. I
• 7:17
  Speaker 3: am very reluctant to engage in military conflict, just like
• 7:20
  Speaker 3: Trump is. But I also believe in peace through strength.
• 7:23
  Speaker 3: The best way you avoid war is being strong enough
• 7:26
  Speaker 3: your enemies don't want to stand up to you. And
• 7:28
  Speaker 3: I gotta say Donald Trump the first term. In the
• 7:31
  Speaker 3: second term, I am very hard pressed to think of
• 7:34
  Speaker 3: a single foreign policy decision that I disagree with. And
• 7:38
  Speaker 3: that's not accidental. I spend a lot of time talking
• 7:41
  Speaker 3: with the President, and on foreign policy, he has agreed
• 7:44
  Speaker 3: with me overwhelmingly. We're on the same page. Tucker is not.
• 7:48
  Speaker 3: He thinks Trump is wrong and if you listen to
• 7:50
  Speaker 3: the rhetoric, and he's right now as we're sitting there,
• 7:54
  Speaker 3: it is twelve twenty five am Tuesday night. He's putting
• 7:58
  Speaker 3: out little snippets like blast me and his views. Anyone
• 8:02
  Speaker 3: who wants to stand with Israel and stand up to
• 8:04
  Speaker 3: Iran is a crazy warmonger. I just I think that's wrong.
• 8:10
  Speaker 3: I don't think Trump is a crazy warmonger. I think
• 8:12
  Speaker 3: he's a strong commander in chief. I think he is
• 8:15
  Speaker 3: defending America. I think he's defending Israel, and I think
• 8:18
  Speaker 3: he's standing up to a theocratic zealot who wants to
• 8:21
  Speaker 3: murder as many Americans as he can and as many
• 8:23
  Speaker 3: Israelis as he can.
• 8:24
  Speaker 2: By the way, I will say that quote all day
• 8:26
  Speaker 2: that's been going through my head with this is your
• 8:28
  Speaker 2: my one of my favorite quotes of yours. When you
• 8:29
  Speaker 2: say we live in interesting times, and it is an
• 8:32
  Speaker 2: interesting day. When you and Donald Trump are together and
• 8:35
  Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson is against the two of you, we are
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: living in interesting times.
• 8:41
  Speaker 3: It's actually it's a quote. It's an old Chinese curse.
• 8:46
  Speaker 3: And so the Chinese curse is, may you live in
• 8:49
  Speaker 3: interesting times, and it's meant to be that that's going
• 8:52
  Speaker 3: to be a real problem. And I say all the time,
• 8:55
  Speaker 3: we do, we live in interesting times, and it means
• 8:58
  Speaker 3: the challenges facing America in the world are massive, but
• 9:01
  Speaker 3: also the opportunities are massive. And I got to say, I.
• 9:04
  Speaker 4: Love living where we are right now.
• 9:06
  Speaker 3: I think America, you know, President Trump has said we're
• 9:09
  Speaker 3: in a golden age. I think there's an enormous amount
• 9:12
  Speaker 3: of truth to that. We have a strong president who's
• 9:15
  Speaker 3: fighting for America, who's defeating our enemies, who's fighting for freedom,
• 9:19
  Speaker 3: who's fighting for free enterprise. We've got Republican majorities in
• 9:22
  Speaker 3: the House and Senate. It's an exciting time right.
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: Now, it really is.
• 9:25
  Speaker 2: So let's give an update, and obviously we're going to
• 9:27
  Speaker 2: deal with that interview on Friday, but let's get into
• 9:30
  Speaker 2: the matasa of what's happened in the last forty eight hours.
• 9:33
  Speaker 2: And a lot of it comes down to some news
• 9:37
  Speaker 2: that has obviously caught the world by surprise. Number one,
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: we know that the President said, where the leader of
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: Iran is, we could have taken out if you wanted to.
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: We've decided not to.
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: However, we may also be engaging and standing with Israel
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: in some sort of attack on Iran, and that would
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: specifically be on their nuclear program.
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: And let's break all that down as well.
• 10:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 10:02
  Speaker 3: So if you look at what Israel is doing, they
• 10:06
  Speaker 3: have been surgical in their precision. They have taken out
• 10:09
  Speaker 3: senior military leaders. And by the way, if you didn't
• 10:11
  Speaker 3: listen to Monday's podcast, you should listen to Monday's pod.
• 10:15
  Speaker 3: We break down, we list all of the senior military
• 10:18
  Speaker 3: leaders they've taken out, one after the other after the other.
• 10:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, it is the leaders of the IRGC, it
• 10:24
  Speaker 3: is the chief of staff of the military.
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 10:26
  Speaker 3: It's at the point with where if you're an Iranian
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: military officer and they say, hey, Ben, you want to
• 10:33
  Speaker 3: be head of the Iranian military, your answer should be.
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: Hell, no, no, I'll pass on that.
• 10:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm dying in twenty four hours. Because Israel
• 10:41
  Speaker 3: has been so effective, they literally promote someone boom they're dead.
• 10:45
  Speaker 3: Promote someone, Boom, they're dead. And it's a little bit
• 10:48
  Speaker 3: it reminds me of when Israel did the pager operation
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: against Hesbla and the pager operation against Hesbla. Hesbela leadership
• 10:56
  Speaker 3: gave pagers to terrorists and an israel planet a little
• 10:59
  Speaker 3: bomb the pagers, they detonated them and it was the
• 11:03
  Speaker 3: most accurately targeted military attack I think in history. Yeah,
• 11:08
  Speaker 3: because hesbel leadership decided who gets the pagers only the
• 11:13
  Speaker 3: people who were backcrap crazy enough that we want terrorists
• 11:17
  Speaker 3: able to page at a moment's notice to go kill people.
• 11:19
  Speaker 3: So they gave the pagers to them. They blew up
• 11:22
  Speaker 3: and they they either killed or wounded a ton of
• 11:26
  Speaker 3: hesbel A terrorists. The next day, Israel had a second
• 11:30
  Speaker 3: operation where they had walkie talkies that Hesbela was using,
• 11:33
  Speaker 3: and the walkie talkies had bombs in them and they
• 11:35
  Speaker 3: started exploding. And the beauty of it is hesbel A terrorists.
• 11:38
  Speaker 3: I think those guys were terrified at phone rings and
• 11:41
  Speaker 3: they jump and run screaming like. It was incredibly effective.
• 11:46
  Speaker 3: And I actually think what Israel is doing against the
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: military leadership is similar, where if you're an Iranian soldier,
• 11:53
  Speaker 3: you're looking around going wait, every time someone gets promoted
• 11:57
  Speaker 3: to run this thing, they die the next day. That
• 12:01
  Speaker 3: is fantastically effective in terms of limiting Iran's ability to
• 12:07
  Speaker 3: wage war, limiting Iran's ability to wage war against Israel,
• 12:10
  Speaker 3: limiting Iran's ability to wage war against America, limiting their
• 12:13
  Speaker 3: ability to sponsor terrorism. So that has been incredibly effective.
• 12:16
  Speaker 3: They're also taking out Iran's nuclear scientist. And so this
• 12:21
  Speaker 3: is all about you have a crazy iatola who is
• 12:25
  Speaker 3: a religious zealot who routinely chants death to America and
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: death to Israel, and he's trying to build nuclear weapons,
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: and he's trying to build ICBMs. And here's an important point,
• 12:35
  Speaker 3: ben on ICBM stands for an intercontinental ballistic missile. You
• 12:41
  Speaker 3: don't need an ICBM to get to Israel. Iran is
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: attacking Israel with ballistic missiles. On ICBM, the intercontinental aspect
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: of it is entirely to take a missile to America.
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: The reason Iran is building ICBMs is they want to
• 12:58
  Speaker 3: be able to carry a nuclear war head to the
• 13:00
  Speaker 3: United States of America and detonate it in the skies
• 13:04
  Speaker 3: of New York or Los Angeles or Washington, DC and
• 13:07
  Speaker 3: murder as many Americans as possible. And so President Trump
• 13:11
  Speaker 3: has been incredibly consistent saying Iran will not get a
• 13:17
  Speaker 3: nuclear weapon, period the end. And in fact, I want
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: to play a montage of a couple of minutes of
• 13:24
  Speaker 3: President Trump's saying this over the years. For more than
• 13:27
  Speaker 3: a decade he has said this line. And yet some observers,
• 13:30
  Speaker 3: including Tucker are acting shocked that President Trump is saying
• 13:34
  Speaker 3: Iran can't get a nuclear weapon. He has said this
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: without deviation for more than ten years.
• 13:39
  Speaker 4: Give a listen.
• 13:41
  Speaker 5: You cannot let Iran have a nuclear weapon. You cannot
• 13:45
  Speaker 5: let it happen because bad things will happen if that happens.
• 13:50
  Speaker 5: But everybody stopped. They were ready to make a deal.
• 13:53
  Speaker 5: We would have made a deal. It was great for everybody.
• 13:54
  Speaker 5: No nuclear weapons. You can't give them nuclear weapons. Now
• 13:57
  Speaker 5: they're gonna have a nuclear weapon.
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: Don't let Iran have nuclear weapons.
• 14:02
  Speaker 5: That's my only thing I have to tell you today.
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: Don't let them have it.
• 14:06
  Speaker 5: They would have never had them, including around we would
• 14:08
  Speaker 5: have They can't have a nuclear weapon, that's all. They
• 14:10
  Speaker 5: can't have nuclear weapons. It's too too destructive, too powerful.
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: They can't have it.
• 14:16
  Speaker 5: But I wanted to make a deal with them. No
• 14:18
  Speaker 5: nuclear weapons. You can't have nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are
• 14:21
  Speaker 5: the single greatest threat to this world, to the whole world,
• 14:25
  Speaker 5: and Victor Orban understands that, and some others do too.
• 14:28
  Speaker 5: I just don't want them to have a nuclear weapon,
• 14:30
  Speaker 5: and they weren't going to have one, and they cannot.
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: Have a nuclear weapon. That was the only thing, the
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: one thing I said you cannot have.
• 14:37
  Speaker 5: I just didn't want Iran to have a nuclear weapon.
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: I said, you know, we're going to make a great deal.
• 14:41
  Speaker 5: Everybody's going to be happy, You're going to be rich
• 14:43
  Speaker 5: as hell again, everything's going to be great. But you
• 14:45
  Speaker 5: cannot have a nuclear weapon. You can't let Iran have
• 14:49
  Speaker 5: nuclear weapons.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. Very simple. They cannot
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: have a nuclear weapon.
• 14:57
  Speaker 5: Instead, we have a very hostile country that wants nuclear weapons.
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: Can't let that happen.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: The main thing is Iran can't have a nuclear weapon.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: That was my main thing. The deal was a simple deal.
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: Iran can't have a nuclear you know, it can't have
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: a missile, can't have a nuclear missile. It cannot have
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: that nuclear capability.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: You listen to president.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: By the way, we've got another nine and a half minute,
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: so the President saying this over and over again.
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the ship is sixteen minutes long.
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: So we literally cut it short.
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: I was like, look, we can't play a sixteen minute
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: clip on the podcast. But that is President Trump for
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: more than a decade. I'll tell you a story. So
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: back in the twenty sixteen presidential election, Trump and I
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: are running against each other. And I organized a rally
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: on Capitol Hill against the Obama Iran nuclear deal, and
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: we had thousands of people come out against it, and
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: I was saying, this is a terrible deal.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: It will result in.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: Iran getting a nuclear weapon. And I invited Donald Trump
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: to come to the rally, and Trump, look key and
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: I were running against each other. We were friends, but
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: we were opponents in that race. And so I remember
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: Trump showed up and he's like, Ted, why the hell
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: did you invite me to your rally? Like I don't understand,
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: Like we're running against each other, and you invited me
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: to your rally, And I said, I said, Donald, it's
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: real simple. When you show up, you bring a crap
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: ton of TV cameras and the press all covers it.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: And I care about this issue, and if we do
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: not stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, we are
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: endangering the lives of millions of Americans. And so Trump
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: and I together, in the middle of the campaign where
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: we're campaigning against each other, we stood on the stage
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: together and said we agree, Iran cannot get a nuclear
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: weapon and America must do whatever is necessary to stop
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. We were unified a
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: decade ago in that that has been Trump's consistent position.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: So I've got to say it's remarkable watching the Tucker
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: Carlsons of the world react with shock. Why the hell
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: does Trump want to stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon?
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: The reason is simple, and this is where look in
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: foreign policy. People think in a very binary sense. Either
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: you're an interventionist who wants to invade every country on Earth,
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: or your an isolationist who never wants to engage in
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: military force.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: Both views are wrong.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: The touchstone for military action should be protecting the vital
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: national security interests of the United States. The reason President
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Trump is standing with Israel, Israel is doing a massive
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: favor to us. Every one of us should stop and
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: say thank you to the tiny nation of Israel. It
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: is the size of the state of New Jersey.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not big. A lot of people don't realize.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: That it is tiny, and they are actively taking out
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Iran's nuclear capability right now. And listen, those nuclear weapons.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: If Iran developed them, there's a real possibility that would
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: be used against Israel, but there is at least an
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: equal possibility they would be used against America. To murder
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: millions of Americans. And so it's not America. Also, it's Israel.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: It's taking this out.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's bring in this new aspect because this
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: is some of the breaking news that President Trump has
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: called for Rand's unconditional surrender and also called the Supreme
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Leader out, saying, look, we know where you are. You're
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: an easy target. You might want to hurry up and
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: get a deal done here. Clearly, the President's not advocating
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: for regime change. What he is advocating for is making
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: sure that they never get a nuclear weapon.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Well, and I will tell you on the point that
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: he said we know where you are. He said it
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: in reference to protecting American servicemen and women. And when
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: this war broke out, we did a podcast that night
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: and we said, listen, every one of us should pray
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: for the people of Israel because we're going to see
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: a massive ballistic missile onslaught of Israel and we're going
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: to see a lot of Israelis killed.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: I talked on Sunday night to a good friend of
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: mine whose mother is in Jerusalem right now now, and
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: he said, his mom, since this war started, he said,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: she hasn't slept a night because every night they wake
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: up at two or three in the morning and they
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: rush the air raid sirens are going off. They rush
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: to a bomb shelter because they're facing incoming missiles constantly.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: That's a hard circumstance. And so I will say to
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: all of our listeners, pray for the people of Israel.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: That is hard.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: They are doing this because the risk of an Iranian
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: nuclear weapon is a massive murder of Israelis, potentially on
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: the order of magnitude of the millions. So it is
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: the right thing for them to do. But Israelis are dying.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: They're dying every day from because Iran is targeting civilians.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: But secondly, old, let me make this other point, Ben Iran,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: there is a real threat of Iran targeting American servicemen
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: and women. And we've got thousands upon thousands of servicemen
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: and women in the Middle East.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: And I will tell you.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: I called on Sunday, I called President try and I said, hey,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: I just want to tell you thank.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: You for what you're doing on Iran. In Israel.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: You are doing an incredible job. In the last few days,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: these have been some of the best days you have
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: had as president, because President Trump is standing unshakably with Israel,
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: which is where we should be. But he's also made
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: absolutely clear to Iran, if you attack American servicemen and women,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: you will face a devastating response. And as you noted
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: the tweety scent, he said directly the Ietola, we know
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: where you are. And the point is clear if you
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: kill American servicemen and women. To be clear, Iran could
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: kill some of our soldiers. I mean they could fire
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: enough missiles that we would have active duty military killed.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: And what Trump has said as the commander in chief
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: is if you do that, you are going to regret
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: it because we are going to strike back. You cannot
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: attack American active duty military. And thank god Trump is
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: being a strong commander in chief. Joe Biden could never
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: get that sentence out of his mouth. But President Trump
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: is protecting our servicemen and women. And I so I
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: called him on Sunday and just said, hey, thank you.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: It's making a real difference protecting our servicemen and women.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Well, let's also talk about what's happened with the air
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: superiority or the lack of security that Iran actually had
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: over their own country. Yes, and and that could also
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: spell trouble for the leadership in Iran because now the
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: people may realize, wow, we may have been played by
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: these these these horrible leaders. And there is total air
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: superiority now by Israel or anybody that wants to to
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: go after Iran.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: So Israel and potentially America have complete air superiority over Iran.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: And Israel has taken out Iran's air defenses, so they're
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: not able to stop Israeli jets in the air, and
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: and and and the bombers are bombing the hell out
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: of As of two days days ago, there had been
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: over seven dred and twenty military strikes in Iran. The
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: numbers substantially higher now I don't have the current number,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: but it was seven hundred and twenty two days ago.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: And Iran is not able to do any thing about
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: it because their air defenses have been destroyed, and so
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: they're just sitting ducks. They're just and I will tell
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: you the dynamics. So there's a delicate question. Israel has
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: been able to and it actually has succeeded in taking
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: out a massive amount of the military leadership of Iran.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: They have also succeeded in pounding the hell out of
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Iran's nuclear facilities, like the Natan's facility, which is where
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: they do much of the nuclear enrichment. Israel has bombed
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: the living crap out of The one exception that Israel
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: is not able to take out is the four Doh
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Nuclear Research Facility. Now four Doah is built literally in
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: the base of a mountain, and it was built into
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: a mountain particularly to withstand a bombing attack. And Israel
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: does not have the military hardware to take out FORIDA.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Their bombs are not big enough. America does we have
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: bunker buster bombs that are thirty thousand pounds, that are
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: massive bombs that can take out on underground, under mountain
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: nuclear facility like FIDA. Israel also does not have bombers
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: that are big enough to carry a thirty thousand pound bomb.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: That's a big ass bomb. And so the B two
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: bomber which America has is big enough to carry that bomb.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Israel doesn't have bombers that big. And so one of
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: the open questions Israel is asked, America, will you fly
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: in the B two bombers and drop your bunker busters
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: on fourd Oh and take it out as you and
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: I sit here at twelve what is it, twelve forty
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: three am on Tuesday night, Wednesday morning. I do not
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: know if President Trump's going to do that. This is
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: being actively debated. It could by the time this podcast
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: comes out, it is possible that America will drop those
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: bunker busters. I think that is a real possibility in
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: the next few hours, in the next few days. And
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: and in my view.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: With that being said, then I got to ask this
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: questions that people understand. I I said this earlier night
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: on Chris Cuomo's show, and I said on Pierce Morgan's show,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: and I said, I'm Fox the same thing.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: I am not in favor, but Ben, you're a lot
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: of lefty shows, peer, I'm fighting the commis every day.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: You know, is like does Bernie Sanders have a show AOC,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: like like are you going on with with She of China?
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Trying to go on with Tucker next?
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: You know, and just see if I can, I can,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I can explain them what my foreign policy is. But
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: it's I'm not in favor of putting troops on the ground.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump's on in favor of putting troops around.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Absolutely no, no, no, no troops on the ground.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: So what we're advocating for is simply this. If America
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: gets involved, it would be to do exactly what you
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: just said. It would be to do what Israel can't do,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: to take out a nuclear drop.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: A couple of bombs.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Threat, Yes, to drop a couple of bombs, to drop
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: a couple of bombs that Israel can't like their bombs
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: are not big enough to take out Florida. And I
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: will say this from a perspective, my overwhelming touchstone is
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: what protects American national security interest, what keeps American safer.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: It's America first. It's President Trump's foreign policy. That is
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: my foreign policy. And I will say when he and
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: I talked on Sunday, his comment when I was telling him,
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: you're doing a great job. What you're doing is fantastic.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: As comment is, He said, Ted on foreign policy, you
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: and I are twins. And that's right. I agree with
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: him on foreign policy. The reason there is I think
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: a compelling argument for America to take out FIDAH is Florida.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: They are doing research on nuclear weapons technology, they're trying
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: to develop nuclear bombs. They're not doing it because the
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Iyatola thinks climate change is a problem and he wants
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: to create civilian nuclear power generation. It is entirely creating
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: a bomb that could murder millions of Americans or millions
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: of Israelis. They put it in the basement of a
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: mountain because they didn't want to be bombed. Only America
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: can take them out. And I got to say, I
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: think dropping those bombs, I have zero interest. We will
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: not send boots on the ground. We are not going
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: to invade Iran, and I have zero interest in coming
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: into the country and trying to turn it in into
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: a democratic utopia.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: We don't. Look it would be.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Wonderful if Iran woke up tomorrow and it was Switzerland.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: But I'm not willing to risk your children or my
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: children to go in and fight a war to make
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: that happen. It is a very different calculus to say,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: should we drop a couple of bombs and take out
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: a lab and fasciacility where they're developing nuclear weapons to
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: murder Americans? And I think that's a compelling argument. And
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: I got to say, I think there's a real possibility
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: in the next few hours or days that's exactly what's
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: going to happen.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Final question on this, if Donald Trump does in fact
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: make this decision. I actually don't think this is a
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: tough decision or a hard decision. I think it's a
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: simple decision, as you described it. If we must protect
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: the homeland and we must protect our allies at the
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: same time, and we're both a target, and we know
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: what a RAM would do if they got a nuclear weapon,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: and we know that even if they didn't do it,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: they might give it to their proxies to do it
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: as well. You add all that up, I think this
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: decision is actually pretty clear. If the President does that
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: and we move forward. There's also this big obsession in
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: the media out there's some massive divide in the MAGA world,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: and this is going to split the Republican Party. I
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: actually think that's going to be a blip and we're
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: going to move back on to all the issues that
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: we do agree on.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not taking the bait on that. I want your
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: take on it as well.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Look, so I did Sean Hannity this evening, and Hannity
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: had a poll that came out that showed seventy five
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: percent of Americans agree with President Trump that we should
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: act against Iran to prevent them from getting a nuclear
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: weapons using, and the question in the poll was whatever
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: means necessary seventy five percent. I don't know that seventy
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: five percent of Americans agree on butterflies or rainbows or
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: peanut butter and jelly like, that's a big percentage in
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: today's divided world, and so it is frankly a handful
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: of people who are disagreeing. Tucker is really an outlier
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: on this. And I made the point, and we're going
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: to talk about this. Friday's pot is going.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: To be all about this.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: But Tucker used to be twenty years ago. Tucker was
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: a neo Khan interventionist who was a cheerleader for the
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Iraq War, and he practically had on a short skirt
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: and pomp pumps. I think the Iraq War was a
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: catastrophic mistake, and so I think he was far too
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: intervention and Tucker does too. He thinks he was wrong,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: and I respect that. Look, look, intelligent people will assess
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: change circumstances and be willing to change their position based
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: on the facts, and so I respect that he changes views.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: But the point I made is he went from being
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: an interventionist far too eager to send in the Marines
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: to being an isolationist who says we should never ever
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: use the military, even when we've got a lunatic, theocratic
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: zealot who is trying to murder Americans and has murdered
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: hundreds of Americans, and and and so I actually think
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: that view is a really fringe view in America. It's
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: a fringe view in Maga, uh, and it's a fringe
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: view across the country. And and and I think the
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: American people want a president who's going to say we
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: will protect ourselves against people who want to kill us.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: That's exactly what Donald Trump is doing.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, don't forget that.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: We will be doing another show on Friday, and that
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: will be a big show in response to the interview
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: with Tiger Carlson.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: So make sure you join us for that. Hit that subscriber.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Auto download button as well, and make sure that you
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: don't miss a single episode. We do this Monday, Wednesday Friday.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: We're also up on YouTube now as well, so if
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: you listen to shows on YouTube, you can do that
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: also in the center and I will see you back
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: here Friday morning.