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It's OVER...Trump WON! · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome.
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Speaker 2: It is verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with
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Speaker 2: you and Senator it is a big win for Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: This is, as some have described it, two in a
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Speaker 2: row and two last places in a row for Nicky Haley.
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Speaker 2: She says she's not dropping out, she's just begun and
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Speaker 2: this thing's going to go on for quite a few
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Speaker 2: more states.
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Speaker 1: In her words. Give me your reaction to that.
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Speaker 3: Well, the simple reality is this thing is over. Trump
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Speaker 3: has won the Republican nomination. You and I are sitting here.
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Speaker 3: It is eleven eleven pm on Tuesday night. So the
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Speaker 3: votes are not fully counted. But as we sit here
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Speaker 3: right now, seventy seven percent of the votes are counted.
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Speaker 3: In New Hampshire, Donald Trump has one hundred and thirty
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Speaker 3: nine thousand and one, which is fifty five percent, and
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Speaker 3: Nicky Haley has one hundred and nine thousand and six
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Speaker 3: hundred and thirty nine which is forty three v zero
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Speaker 3: point four percent. So as we sit here right now,
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump has an eleven and a half point lead
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Speaker 3: in New Hampshire. The race has been called for Trump.
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Speaker 3: He's gonna win New Hampshire. And so where do we stand?
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Speaker 3: Where we stand is Trump won Iowa by thirty points,
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Speaker 3: and Trump has one New Hampshire, and it's very likely
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Speaker 3: he will live one New Hampshire by double digits. The
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Speaker 3: exact margin won't be known until late in the night,
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Speaker 3: but it is very likely to be double digits. Right now,
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Speaker 3: it's eleven and a half points if any candidate wins
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Speaker 3: Iowa and New Hampshire. The fat Lady singing Katie bar
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Speaker 3: the door, it is over. The big question right now
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Speaker 3: is what is Nicki Haley doing. I don't know. I
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Speaker 3: think it is seventy thirty that Nicky Haley stays in now. Frankly,
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Speaker 3: the rational thing for Nicki Haley to do is drop
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Speaker 3: out now. And the reason is simple. She's headed to
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Speaker 3: South Carolina. That is her home state. She was the
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Speaker 3: governor there. She is going to get clobbered in South Carolina.
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Speaker 3: It's going to be double digits. It could be as
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Speaker 3: big as iwa it could be thirty points. And I
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Speaker 3: will say, when you lose your home state by that
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Speaker 3: kind of crushing double digit margin, it leaves a mark. Now,
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Speaker 3: I mentioned I think the odds are seventy thirty that
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Speaker 3: Nikki Haley does not drop out. She said that tonight.
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Speaker 3: Her speech tonight was defiant. I'm staying in, I'm going
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Speaker 3: the distance. I get that. And the reason I think
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Speaker 3: the odds are seventy thirty she stays in is because
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Speaker 3: she has a crap ton of money. The billionaire donor
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Speaker 3: class is all behind her. Now, I got to say
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Speaker 3: the billionaire donor class. Look, I know a lot of
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Speaker 3: the Republican billionaires. They are astonishingly consistently wrong when it
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Speaker 3: comes to politics. They keep supporting candidates who lose. And
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Speaker 3: what's weird. Look, these billionaires have been incredibly successful business leaders.
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Speaker 3: They know how to run companies, they know how to
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Speaker 3: sell goods to customers, they know how to respond to data,
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Speaker 3: and yet when it comes to politics, they are myopic.
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Speaker 3: Their worldview is essentially, well, all the people in the
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Speaker 3: country club agree with me, so that's what I'm going
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Speaker 3: to do, And they don't notice that they keep losing
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Speaker 3: and losing and losing and losing, and they don't have
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Speaker 3: the rational response when your approach to politics is this
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Speaker 3: isn't working, is to say, what am I doing wrong?
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Speaker 3: Like apparently I'm misunderstanding. Oddly enough, the entire country is
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Speaker 3: not like the country club in the Hamptons, like there
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Speaker 3: are people in Flyover country who have a different view.
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Speaker 3: The simple reality Nikki Haley has run as an unapologetic
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Speaker 3: establishment moderate.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where money is coming from.
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Speaker 3: Look, look that's catnip to Republican donors. They are so excited. Yes,
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Speaker 3: that's what they want. They want an establishment moderate. Listen,
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Speaker 3: in virtually every state in the country, the numbers are
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Speaker 3: establishment moderates are about thirty percent of the primary vote. Now,
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Speaker 3: if you want to appeal to thirty percent of the
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Speaker 3: primary bote, that's a great thing to run. As the
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Speaker 3: problem is, and it's a simple question of math. Thirty
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Speaker 3: percent does not beat seventy percent. And I don't know
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Speaker 3: how these gazillionaires twist themselves into pretzels thinking my thirty
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Speaker 3: percent is going to beat seventy percent because something's going
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Speaker 3: to change. The rational thing, as I said, would be
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Speaker 3: for her to drop out. I don't think she will
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Speaker 3: because she's got so much money. As we talked about
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Speaker 3: in yesterday's podcast, and this was an unusual week. I
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Speaker 3: want to encourage you guys, if you are interested in
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Speaker 3: the presidential primary process, this is going to be a
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Speaker 3: week that we're going to put out five podcasts we
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Speaker 3: put out one Monday. I gotta say, Ben, you really
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Speaker 3: liked the Monday podcast? Is that fair to say? I did?
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Speaker 1: It was one of my favorite ones we've ever done.
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Speaker 3: So why so tell people why? Because for folks that
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Speaker 3: are listening, if you didn't listen to Monday's podcasts, I
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Speaker 3: think you ought to go back and listen. But Ben,
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Speaker 3: tell people why.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest.
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Speaker 2: I love when people get to see the side of
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Speaker 2: you that I know and I get to see and
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Speaker 2: to hear you talk personally about your presidential campaign in
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Speaker 2: sixteen and the blood, sweat and tears that goes into
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Speaker 2: a political campaign, being privileged to be around your campaign
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Speaker 2: in sixteen and working on the Bush campaign in two
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Speaker 2: thousand and four and others, and understanding just how intense
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Speaker 2: it is and to get your perspective on all of this,
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Speaker 2: but also your memories was something that I was so
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Speaker 2: happy that other people got to hear it because I've
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Speaker 2: gotten to get some of those stories from you, and
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Speaker 2: I even got some news stories from you on Monday
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Speaker 2: as well. But we got done with it and I
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Speaker 2: was like, this might be one of my favorite shows
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Speaker 2: that we've ever done. Because it just showed a sight
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Speaker 2: of you that I get to see that I want
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Speaker 2: everybody else to see.
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Speaker 1: If that makes sense.
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Speaker 3: Well, look, one of the things that I think makes
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Speaker 3: this podcast work is you and I are genuinely friends.
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Speaker 3: We hang out together. We play tennis together. You kill me.
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Speaker 3: We play pickleball together. You kind of suck at pickleball, dude,
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Speaker 3: It's true.
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Speaker 1: I hate it.
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Speaker 3: We haven't played poker yet together, but I'll kick your
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Speaker 3: ass at poker.
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Speaker 1: I love the trash talking. This is also very accurate.
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Speaker 1: It's extremely accurate.
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Speaker 2: I won't remind you the one time we did play poker,
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Speaker 2: but we'll keep going.
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Speaker 3: Look when we started this podcast, and this is pre you.
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Speaker 3: When I started this podcast with Michael Knowles and by
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Speaker 3: the ways, like four years ago, and I didn't know
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Speaker 3: what the hell of podcast was. I remember our first
7:01
Speaker 3: guest was Lindsey Graham. Yeah, Lindsay Graham came down to
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Speaker 3: a basement in Washington, d C. And his question was
7:07
Speaker 3: what the hell is a podcast? And I wasn't much
7:13
Speaker 3: I felt sort of avant guarde because I knew what
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Speaker 3: a podcast was, but I wasn't much more educated than
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Speaker 3: he was. And some of the early and best advice
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Speaker 3: I got is they said, Look of the best podcast
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Speaker 3: is like you and I are sitting down at a
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Speaker 3: dinner table. We have a couple of glasses of wine,
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Speaker 3: and we're feeling good and we're talking, and we try
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Speaker 3: to do that. We try to have a real conversation
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Speaker 3: and because we're friends, because we've got sometimes we agree
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Speaker 3: a lot, but sometimes we disagree, we've got different takes,
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Speaker 3: and the back and forth is what makes it interesting.
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Speaker 3: And all right, I'm gonna give all the podcast listeners
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Speaker 3: an interesting insight. You may be wondering, Hey, wait, why
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Speaker 3: do we have a podcast on Monday and then a
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Speaker 3: bonus podcast on Tuesday, and then a podcast on Wednesday,
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Speaker 3: and then a podcast we're going to have on Friday
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Speaker 3: and then one on Saturday. Like that's where do you
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Speaker 3: normally do Monday, Wednesday and Friday and than the Saturday recap?
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Speaker 3: All right, so I'm gonna let you all in on
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Speaker 3: the insight. Why So Sunday afternoon we recorded the Monday
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Speaker 3: podcast and we did it, and it's funny. Ben had
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Speaker 3: a bunch of topics he wanted. He wanted to get
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Speaker 3: into China, he wanted to get into the border. He
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Speaker 3: wanted to get into all this stuff, like all these ideas,
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Speaker 3: and I was like, you know, I just think, like Iowen,
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Speaker 3: New Hampshire will consume it all. And he's like, I
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Speaker 3: don't know, that's ten fifteen minutes. I'm like, yeah, No,
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Speaker 3: I kind of feel like I have more to say.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you were right on that one.
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Speaker 3: And the interesting thing is, look to folks listening to this.
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Speaker 3: You and I don't know what the hell we're gonna say.
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Speaker 3: We're doing a podcast right now. You don't know what
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Speaker 3: I'm going to say. I don't know what I'm gonna say.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we part of what hopefully makes this interesting.
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Speaker 3: We just have a conversation, and hopefully you and I
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Speaker 3: are relatively non knowledgeable people and we have conversations about
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Speaker 3: issues that matter and we sort of go back and
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Speaker 3: forth and follow where the music goes. Anyway, Sunday we're
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Speaker 3: sitting there, we're doing YouTube, and we recorded what ended
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Speaker 3: up being an hour and ten minute podcast, and we
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Speaker 3: started with I'm Talking with I when I did sort
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Speaker 3: of a deep dive in the history of eye with
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Speaker 3: the history of New Hampshire, the history of South Carolina,
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Speaker 3: and I thought it was interesting. I like, like, look,
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Speaker 3: this is what has determined the leader of the free
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Speaker 3: world for the last fifty years. That's interesting stuff to me.
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Speaker 3: But then after like thirty forty minutes we started getting
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Speaker 3: into you asked, well, what does it mean to drop out?
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Speaker 3: Ron Dessatus just dropped out? What's that like? And listen,
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Speaker 3: there are not many people on planet Earth that have
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Speaker 3: gone through like a winning presidential campaign that you almost
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Speaker 3: win and then you don't and then you drop out
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Speaker 3: and sort of the trauma and the personal relationships and
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Speaker 3: the grassroots and all of the dynamics, and so I
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Speaker 3: tried to talk about all of that, and that was
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Speaker 3: sort of the second half of the pod we recorded.
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Speaker 3: And then afterwards Ben said to me, Hey, I love
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Speaker 3: this pod, but we get a problem. The second half
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Speaker 3: is like a thousand times than the first half. Like
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Speaker 3: the first half is kind of interesting in academic and theoretical,
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Speaker 3: but the second half is And Ben, what you said
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Speaker 3: is what you just said a minute ago, like, is
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Speaker 3: why I listened to the podcast because it's stuff you
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Speaker 3: can't hear anywhere other than Verdict. It's like insight from
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Speaker 3: someone who's run for president come in second and almost one,
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Speaker 3: and so you and I made a weird decision. We said, Okay,
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Speaker 3: we have an hour and ten minute podcast we recorded,
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Speaker 3: let's take the second half, cut it off and make
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Speaker 3: it Monday's podcast because you said, and I didn't disagree,
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Speaker 3: that's the most interesting and stimulating part. So let's give
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Speaker 3: people what they'll like the best. But then I said, look,
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Speaker 3: I thought the stuff about the history of Iowa and
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Speaker 3: New Hampshire, South Carolina for me was interesting. Maybe I'm
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Speaker 3: enough of a political geek that I'm interested in stuff
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Speaker 3: that is not as sort of scintillating, but I thought
10:56
Speaker 3: it was really good stuff. And so we came up
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Speaker 3: with Initially, I said, well, what if we put it
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Speaker 3: out on Wednesday? And Ben said, all right, you moron,
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Speaker 3: you can't put it on a Wednesday because Tuesday night
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Speaker 3: the New Hampshire Wesday. Yeah, so if we put out
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Speaker 3: an academic discussion of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina
11:13
Speaker 3: on Wednesday, right after what happened in New Hampshire, people
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Speaker 3: will be like, what the hell's wrong with you idiots? Yeah,
11:19
Speaker 3: so we came up with, all right, screw it, let's
11:22
Speaker 3: chop it up, make it a second pod. We'll just
11:24
Speaker 3: put it out on Tuesday Bonus pod see if you
11:27
Speaker 3: like it, and now we're here Wednesday. But the point
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Speaker 3: of all of this is that it's meant to be
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Speaker 3: real time, not different from right now. You're in Texas,
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Speaker 3: I'm in DC. But if we were sitting at a
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Speaker 3: dinner table, this is what I'd be saying to you,
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Speaker 3: and you'd be saying the same.
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Speaker 1: Presumably absolutely, And that's the part.
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Speaker 2: That's the part that I love the most about getting
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Speaker 2: to do this with you, is that people get to
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Speaker 2: hopefully see that aspect and hear these types of conversations.
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Speaker 2: And that's when we started tonight. I was like, all right, well,
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Speaker 2: I got to know your thoughts on Nicki Haley.
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Speaker 1: Should she drop out? And who gets to make that decision?
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Speaker 2: If you've got the money to keep going, and Nicki
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Speaker 2: Haley clearly has the establishment I would call it the
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Speaker 2: rhino money to keep going. What is in it for
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Speaker 2: her to keep going if you keep losing? I want
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Speaker 2: to get your thoughts on that. Number one and number two.
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Speaker 2: There is some politicking involved in this decision, and there's
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Speaker 2: a theory that if she can hang on long enough,
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Speaker 2: it gives her a better chance of being chosen as
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Speaker 2: the VP to unify the party if it's divided for
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Speaker 2: weeks on end. States keep coming and going and coming
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Speaker 2: and going. And there's people that have said to me
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Speaker 2: in the last eight or nine hours, hey, is Nicki
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Speaker 2: Haley basically running for vice president? If she can extend
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Speaker 2: it long enough, she's the last one standing that it
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Speaker 2: may be in a position where Donald Trump's is fine,
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Speaker 2: I got to pick you to unite the party because
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Speaker 2: we're so divided because of this drag out, knockdown primary
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Speaker 2: that we have your reaction about those questions.
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Speaker 3: I don't think Niki Haley is running for VP anymore.
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Speaker 3: I don't think Trump's gonna pick her as VP. I
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Speaker 3: think she's running. She's decided. I am the great hope
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Speaker 3: for the establishment. I am the never Trumper vision. And
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Speaker 3: the problem is a lot of those never Trumpers have
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Speaker 3: a ton of money and they can't stand Trump, and
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Speaker 3: they'll keep writing checks, but they don't think enough about
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Speaker 3: politics to think, how do you get to fifty one percent?
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Speaker 3: And so I think she will stay in this race because,
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Speaker 3: as we talked about on Monday and Tuesday, the reason
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Speaker 3: virtually every single presidential candidate in history drops out is
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Speaker 3: the same reason they run out of money. Nikki Haley
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Speaker 3: hasn't run out of money. She's got people who will
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Speaker 3: keep writing checks as they hate Trump, so I think
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Speaker 3: she'll stick around. Now here's why I think it's dumb.
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Speaker 3: I think every day and every week she sticks around
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Speaker 3: will hurt her. And getting crushed in her home state
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Speaker 3: I think will do real damage. And in my view,
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Speaker 3: where we are right now, this is entirely about twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty eight. I think if Nicki were rational, and I
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Speaker 3: doubt she is. I like Nikki, and look, Nicky's a
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Speaker 3: friend of mine, She's she's a nice person. But almost
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Speaker 3: every presidential candidate is surrounded by sycophans. They're surrounded by
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Speaker 3: sycophants who tell you what you want to hear. But
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Speaker 3: even more importantly, their paycheck depends on you staying in
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Speaker 3: the race. And so if everyone around you keeps getting paid,
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Speaker 3: if you stay in the race, you know what's amazing.
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Speaker 3: Their advice is stay in the race. Yeah, because they
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Speaker 3: want those paychecks. And so at this point, I think
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Speaker 3: they're looking forward to twenty twenty eight. I think any
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Speaker 3: one of them that has an IQ in the double digit,
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Speaker 3: forget triple digits, let's just get to double in the
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Speaker 3: double digits. Recognizes Trump's won, He's going to be the nominee.
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Speaker 3: But they're thinking, now, okay, let's stick around a long time,
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Speaker 3: let's unify all the establishment moderate vote, and will be
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Speaker 3: the great establishment hope in twenty twenty eight. Well, look,
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Speaker 3: good luck to that again. Thirty percent doesn't beat seventy
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Speaker 3: percent and getting your ass kicked in South Carolina and
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Speaker 3: then in Super Tuesday and state after state after state.
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Speaker 3: That's fine. The donors may not think that. They may think, gosh,
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Speaker 3: if you lose every state, that's a great path to
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Speaker 3: being elected president. I guess they can think that. I
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Speaker 3: don't understand the reason behind it. So if I were
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Speaker 3: on Nicky's team, I'd be saying, hang it up, it's
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Speaker 3: time now. I'm not calling on her to do that, because,
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Speaker 3: as we've talked about in this podcast, it's not my
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Speaker 3: role to drop out. She's got to decide. But I
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Speaker 3: think the path to victory for her is zero. Trump
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Speaker 3: is the Republican nominee. He may win in November, he
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Speaker 3: may not. I hope he wins. I'm supporting him. I
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Speaker 3: don't know. I think he can win, but I think
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Speaker 3: he also can lose. So I'm very worried about November,
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Speaker 3: but I think the path for Nicki Haley to win
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Speaker 3: the primary is zero point zero zero one percent.
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Speaker 2: that America doesn't need to eighty year olds trying to
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Speaker 2: run this country, really turning this into an age issue.
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Speaker 2: I think that can work with Joe Biden, but it's
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Speaker 2: not so much as age as it's a clear cognitive decline.
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Speaker 2: You don't see that from Donald Trump. You certainly didn't
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Speaker 2: the way that he's out there campaigning is pretty intense.
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Speaker 2: When you look at her saying basically, vote for me
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Speaker 2: because I'm younger and he's too old. We've seen that
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Speaker 2: and it backfired and Ronald Reagan it worked his advantage.
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Speaker 1: Do you think this could be a major mistake?
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Speaker 3: Well, as you note, Reagan, when Walter Mondale tried to
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Speaker 3: make that an issue against him, said listen, I'll commit
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Speaker 3: right now. The age issue is there, and I'm not
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Speaker 3: going to use my opponent's youth and inexperience against him.
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Speaker 3: And it was in the debate everyone cracked up laughing.
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Speaker 3: of the debate, prep Reagan's this is an eighty four
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Speaker 3: has reelected. Reagan's team was terrified of the age question.
19:28
Speaker 3: They were worried that Reagan was too old, and Reagan
19:31
Speaker 3: basically told him I got this, and he did it
19:35
Speaker 3: crushed the issue. Now, listen, both Joe Biden and Donald
19:39
Speaker 3: Trump were older than Reagan was in eighty four. With Biden,
19:45
Speaker 3: the mental deterioration is massive, It is obvious. It is
19:49
Speaker 3: a real problem. I fully expect the Democrats to lean
19:53
Speaker 3: in and make the point that Trump has mental deterioration,
19:58
Speaker 3: not because it's true, but because they're trying to protect Biden.
20:02
Speaker 3: And so I get why Nicky's doing it. Look, NICKI
20:05
Speaker 3: is thirty years younger than Trump, so so fine making
20:08
Speaker 3: that argument, and people are all excited. So I'm in
20:12
Speaker 3: DC on Capitol Hill, the reporters were all parapatetic about
20:16
Speaker 3: Oh Trump confused Nicky Haley and Nancy Pelosi. Let me
20:21
Speaker 3: tell you some reality. If you give a ton of
20:25
Speaker 3: speeches with TV cameras on you all the time, you
20:29
Speaker 3: will misspeak, you will say some dumb stuff. And I'm
20:33
Speaker 3: going to tell a story, one of the most embarrassing
20:36
Speaker 3: stories from the twenty sixteen presidential campaign. So the last
20:41
Speaker 3: state that I competed in was Indiana, and as we
20:45
Speaker 3: talked about on Monday, I dropped out after we lost Indiana.
20:51
Speaker 3: One of the very last campaign events we did was
20:54
Speaker 3: in the gym where they filmed the movie Hoosiers.
20:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, and.
21:00
Speaker 3: Hosiers is one of the greatest all time movies ever,
21:03
Speaker 3: and it may be it may be my single favorite
21:06
Speaker 3: sports movie. I like, I Love Hoosiers. Gene Hackman's a
21:09
Speaker 3: phenomenal actor. It's a great movie, Dennis Hopper, it just
21:12
Speaker 3: it's fantastic.
21:13
Speaker 2: And it's also, by the way, on brand with your
21:15
Speaker 2: passions for people that don't realize this your your way
21:18
Speaker 2: of getting exercises playing basketball. You still play two to
21:21
Speaker 2: three times a week every week, and that's that's what
21:24
Speaker 2: you absolutely love to do, is to play basketball. So
21:27
Speaker 2: for you to know that, you know the the movie
21:30
Speaker 2: Husers like the back of your hand.
21:32
Speaker 3: I love Hoosiers. So we did this great rally in
21:35
Speaker 3: the Hoosiers gym and it's the it's the one where
21:37
Speaker 3: they filmed it the movie. So it's the one in
21:40
Speaker 3: the little town. And so there's a great scene in
21:45
Speaker 3: the movie Hoosiers where this this little little team makes
21:49
Speaker 3: it to the big state championship. The big state championship
21:53
Speaker 3: is in Indianapolis, and this tiny country team is scared because,
21:58
Speaker 3: like the team from Indianapolis, it's a big public school.
22:01
Speaker 3: They're guys that are big, they're tall, they're like slam
22:05
Speaker 3: dunking like they're a hardcore inner city team and these
22:09
Speaker 3: like little country hicks are like, okay, how do we
22:11
Speaker 3: compete against these guys? And there's a great scene where
22:16
Speaker 3: Gene Hackman, they're in the gym in Indianapolis, the big city,
22:20
Speaker 3: and he goes and sends someone on the team. He says, go,
22:25
Speaker 3: go run a tape measure from the hoop down to
22:30
Speaker 3: the floor, and he said, measure the height of it.
22:34
Speaker 3: And he measures it and it's ten feet and Gene Hackman,
22:38
Speaker 3: the coach, goes ten feet exact same distance as our
22:43
Speaker 3: gym back home. And it's a way of making the
22:46
Speaker 3: point that like, look, we're playing the same game. It
22:49
Speaker 3: may feel scary in the big city, but this is
22:52
Speaker 3: the same game now. I was making the point because
22:54
Speaker 3: we just had the New York primary where Trump had won,
22:57
Speaker 3: and I was making the point, look, this is the
23:00
Speaker 3: same but we can win here. So I had my
23:05
Speaker 3: body guy, Bruce, whom I love. He he was the
23:08
Speaker 3: field goal kicker for Oklahoma State. We traveled all over
23:11
Speaker 3: the country together. I had him, I said in the
23:14
Speaker 3: middle of the speech in the Hoosiers gym, I said,
23:16
Speaker 3: Bruce measure a tape measure from the rim to the floor,
23:23
Speaker 3: and I said ten feet ten feet, the same as
23:25
Speaker 3: it is in Indianapolis. And I was quoting the movie.
23:29
Speaker 3: And I left the speech and I felt pretty good.
23:31
Speaker 3: I'm like, hey, I give a pretty good humdinger of
23:33
Speaker 3: a speech. And I walked off the stage and my
23:37
Speaker 3: team was ashen. They were like, oh my god, oh
23:40
Speaker 3: my god, like they were horrified. I'm like, what, what, Like,
23:44
Speaker 3: what did I do wrong? And apparently instead of saying
23:49
Speaker 3: measure to the rim, I said measure to the ring.
23:55
Speaker 3: And I didn't hear it. Like if you talk a
23:59
Speaker 3: million words, Look, you're a talk radio host, how many
24:03
Speaker 3: things have you said in the microphone? And if you
24:05
Speaker 3: talk a million words, I didn't hear it. I said ring,
24:08
Speaker 3: and I just my brain like it was a brain fart.
24:11
Speaker 1: Yeah.
24:11
Speaker 2: Diaz, who produces a show, has been with me now
24:15
Speaker 2: for a decade, and there's and and he laughs. He says,
24:19
Speaker 2: that's why he's here, because there's times I've said things
24:21
Speaker 2: like that's not right, and I'm like, what do you
24:23
Speaker 2: mean That's not what I said.
24:23
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, you did.
24:24
Speaker 2: You said it wrong, And then sure enough he'll play
24:27
Speaker 2: it back to me, and I'm like, yep, I said
24:29
Speaker 2: that wrong. I got to correct it on the air
24:30
Speaker 2: during the next you know, in the commercial break.
24:32
Speaker 1: He's like, you got it wrong. I'm like, there's no.
24:33
Speaker 2: Way I screwed that up and said it that badly
24:37
Speaker 2: or missed you know, set it in correctly.
24:38
Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, you did. I was listening. It happens.
24:41
Speaker 2: It just you put a microphone in front of somebody
24:43
Speaker 2: three hours a day, as.
24:44
Speaker 3: I say, say that many words, something you're gonna mess up.
24:48
Speaker 3: So so when I walked off stage, my team was horrified.
24:52
Speaker 3: I'm like, what I thought I did a good job,
24:54
Speaker 3: Like what what? I was really confused. So to call
24:59
Speaker 3: the rim a ring. Every late night host just had
25:05
Speaker 3: a field day with it. They're like, oh, the basketball
25:08
Speaker 3: ring and playing playing baseball with a stickety stick and
25:13
Speaker 3: football you throw the leather volleyball like it was. Look,
25:17
Speaker 3: the jokes are not hard and they were funny. I
25:18
Speaker 3: actually watch them and laughs. I'm like, yeah, that really
25:21
Speaker 3: sounds funny, like that what an idiot? And the thing,
25:26
Speaker 3: as you noted, that was like so painful. Listen. They
25:29
Speaker 3: are a crap ton of things in which I'm really ignorant.
25:33
Speaker 3: But I love hoops. So today I played two and
25:36
Speaker 3: a half hours of hoops. I play twice a week.
25:38
Speaker 3: I typically play Tuesday afternoons and Sunday night. I play
25:42
Speaker 3: probably five to six hours of hoops a week. I
25:46
Speaker 3: in high school, I was a mediocre to poor high
25:51
Speaker 3: school basketball player. I'd say I'm still a kind of
25:56
Speaker 3: mediocre to poor high school basketball player. I've about maintained
25:59
Speaker 3: my skill thirty five years later. But the crushing I
26:05
Speaker 3: love hoops. I DVR every single Rockets game and I
26:10
Speaker 3: watch most of them like it's basketball. If there's a
26:14
Speaker 3: sport I know and care about and love, it's basketball.
26:19
Speaker 3: And everyone mocked the hell out of me for calling
26:22
Speaker 3: the rim the ring, and I know what the hell
26:24
Speaker 3: the ring is. Look, I just did that there. I
26:27
Speaker 3: know what the hell the rim is. That's a good illustration.
26:31
Speaker 3: So all of the media is in a tizzy that
26:35
Speaker 3: Trump had a comment where he confused Nicky Haley and
26:39
Speaker 3: Nancy Pelosi. And I get it. It's easy, and it's
26:42
Speaker 3: frankly valuable if you have a political agenda, re elect
26:47
Speaker 3: Joe Biden, and the American voters are really concerned about
26:54
Speaker 3: the intellectual diminution of Joe Biden one of the best
26:58
Speaker 3: strategies to counter and say, yeah, but Trump is totally
27:01
Speaker 3: old and feeble too. Now, I think it's crap. And
27:04
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. I'm gonna make a challenge to
27:07
Speaker 3: the press and the Biden White House. Let's have the
27:11
Speaker 3: November election decided right now. Give us Donald Trump and
27:15
Speaker 3: give us Joe Biden for an hour on a cognitive test,
27:17
Speaker 3: and the winner is the president. I'll take that because
27:20
Speaker 3: Trump will kick Biden's ass on that. And by the way,
27:25
Speaker 3: no one will take us up on that now, of course,
27:27
Speaker 3: not because there is a media and pr mandate. I
27:34
Speaker 3: think Nicky is leaning into a narrative the press wants
27:38
Speaker 3: to run with. And I get why. Look, if you're
27:40
Speaker 3: running against someone, if the press likes a narrative, you
27:44
Speaker 3: want to use it against your opponent. But I think
27:47
Speaker 3: it just doesn't fly the distance between. Is Trump older
27:53
Speaker 3: than he was eight years ago? Yeah, like the rest
27:56
Speaker 3: of us are. You're older. I am like, that's part
27:59
Speaker 3: of life. But there is no universe in which Trump's
28:03
Speaker 3: mental condition is remotely comparable to where Joe Biden's massive
28:08
Speaker 3: deterioration is.
28:10
Speaker 1: Let me ask you one another question on this.
28:12
Speaker 2: At what point does Nicki Haley become and these are
28:16
Speaker 2: my words, I want to be queer about that, a
28:17
Speaker 2: useful idiot for the Democratic Party, for the left, because
28:20
Speaker 2: the longer that they can drag this out, and I'm
28:23
Speaker 2: talking about the media and the Democratic Party, the better
28:26
Speaker 2: off it is for Joe Biden. You're not having to
28:29
Speaker 2: focus on one on one debates and attacks and back
28:33
Speaker 2: and forth even through the media with a Republican candidate
28:37
Speaker 2: and a Democratic candidate. It also, you know, they've tied
28:40
Speaker 2: him up in court. Now they can tie him up
28:42
Speaker 2: in a primary that can be extended. At what point
28:46
Speaker 2: does it become a real problem for Donald Trump to
28:51
Speaker 2: unify the country There is specifically conservatives the Republican Party,
28:56
Speaker 2: and it becomes such a big advantage for Joe Biden.
29:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not worried about that. My prediction right now
29:04
Speaker 3: is Nicky Haley will drop out eighteen hours after the
29:09
Speaker 3: South Carolina primary.
29:11
Speaker 1: It be sure to beat down, you think, and it's
29:13
Speaker 1: her home state.
29:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think she'll last to Super Tuesday. Listen
29:18
Speaker 3: the impact. By the way, going back to twenty sixteen,
29:21
Speaker 3: Marco Rubio who Marco stuck around too long and the
29:25
Speaker 3: fact that he's stuck around helped give Trump the nomination,
29:29
Speaker 3: but Marco dropped out right after he got crushed in
29:33
Speaker 3: the Florida primary. You cannot lose your home state, and
29:36
Speaker 3: particularly lose it badly and survive. And so I think Nicki.
29:43
Speaker 3: The smart thing for NICKI to do would be tomorrow
29:45
Speaker 3: to suspend her campaign. I don't think she will because
29:49
Speaker 3: I think she's got money in the bank and she
29:52
Speaker 3: wants to go. And you know, look, as they say
29:55
Speaker 3: in dumb or Dumber, you know, you know, do you
29:58
Speaker 3: have a one million chance? Yes, so you're saying I've
30:01
Speaker 3: got a chance.
30:02
Speaker 1: Yeah.
30:02
Speaker 3: I think that's where she is. She's like one in
30:04
Speaker 3: a million, let's go. But I think getting crushed in
30:08
Speaker 3: South Carolina will end that campaign. I also think every
30:13
Speaker 3: day she stays in the race, she is hurting herself
30:17
Speaker 3: for twenty eight And at this point, I view the
30:20
Speaker 3: Haley campaign is entirely a twenty twenty eight campaign. Basically,
30:24
Speaker 3: Nikki Haley is campaigning against Glenn Youngkin, who is going
30:29
Speaker 3: to be the moderate establishment choice for thirty percent of
30:32
Speaker 3: the primary base. Okay, we'll see, there'll be someone. There's
30:36
Speaker 3: always someone. That's the way our primaries work, but I
30:40
Speaker 3: think the more she gets beat, the weaker she is.
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32:12
Speaker 2: a very.
32:13
Speaker 1: Big deal and it deals with border security.
32:16
Speaker 2: Obviously New Hampshire is important, but can you explain exactly
32:21
Speaker 2: what just happened at the Supreme Court when it came
32:25
Speaker 2: to the Supreme Court ruling that the Biden administration, in
32:28
Speaker 2: a five to four decision can resume removal of the
32:32
Speaker 2: razor wire that was installed by the State of Texas
32:35
Speaker 2: along the border, specifically near Eagle Pass, and they say
32:39
Speaker 2: at least while the litigation is ongoing.
32:43
Speaker 1: What was even more.
32:44
Speaker 2: Shocking, I think is the fact that Roberts and amy
32:48
Speaker 2: Komy Barrett sided with left leaning justice to rule in
32:52
Speaker 2: Biden Administration's favor and allow the Border Patrol to go
32:56
Speaker 2: in and remove the razor wire, which the tech exist
33:00
Speaker 2: National Guard then put back up. At least from the
33:03
Speaker 2: latest videos we've seen from the border, this is a
33:06
Speaker 2: shocking moment. Many people in Texas are angry about this,
33:10
Speaker 2: saying what about states' rights here? And how could these
33:14
Speaker 2: two concerted justices side with the Biden administration.
33:19
Speaker 3: Look, this is a horrible decision. I'm angry about it.
33:23
Speaker 3: It is deeply disturbing. Fact. Number one, we are seeing
33:29
Speaker 3: an invasion at our southern border. Nine point six million
33:34
Speaker 3: illegal immigrants have crossed in under Joe Biden. It is deliberate.
33:38
Speaker 3: He wants this to happen. It is the worst illegal
33:42
Speaker 3: immigration in our nation's history. Number Two, it's deliberate. Biden
33:48
Speaker 3: wants this to happen. The Democrats want this to happen.
33:51
Speaker 3: They are facilitating it, they are accelerating it that they
33:55
Speaker 3: are actively wanting more and more and more of it.
33:58
Speaker 3: So Texas, understand annibly is responding to defend ourselves. I
34:02
Speaker 3: commend our governor. I commend our state legislature for acting
34:06
Speaker 3: to protect the sovereignty of Texas and for investing billions
34:11
Speaker 3: of dollars in border security and law enforcement and putting
34:14
Speaker 3: personnel in putting up barriers to try to stop this
34:18
Speaker 3: invasion of our state. Now, what happened on this case?
34:23
Speaker 3: It arose to the Supreme Court on an emergency appeal
34:28
Speaker 3: on an injunction. There was an injunction against the federal
34:32
Speaker 3: government to stop the federal government from cutting down the
34:35
Speaker 3: razor wire, the Constantina wire that Texas had erected, and
34:39
Speaker 3: the Fifth Circuit, the Federal Court of Appeals, had upheld
34:42
Speaker 3: the injunction. What happened today Tuesday is the Supreme Court,
34:50
Speaker 3: by a vote of five to four, vacated that injunction.
34:53
Speaker 3: What that means is, right now, the federal government has
34:57
Speaker 3: the legal ability to cut down that raz to allow
35:01
Speaker 3: illegal immigrants to continue invading the state. Now, the good news,
35:06
Speaker 3: the merits of the appeal is still pending, and so
35:08
Speaker 3: the Fifth Circuit can still rule on the merits of
35:11
Speaker 3: the appeal as to whether Texas has the authority. And
35:14
Speaker 3: by the way, the Supreme Court could still rule on
35:15
Speaker 3: the appeal. So it is possible that Texas prevails. That
35:20
Speaker 3: the results of an emergency appeal on an injunction are
35:25
Speaker 3: not always the same as the merits results on the
35:28
Speaker 3: substantive issue. So that's true. But at the end of
35:32
Speaker 3: the day, you had the three Liberals plus John Roberts
35:36
Speaker 3: plus Amy Cony, Burt Barrett ruling for the Biden administration
35:40
Speaker 3: saying you can cut down this razor wire. Now, on
35:43
Speaker 3: one level, I understand it that there is a heavy
35:47
Speaker 3: presumption in Washington in federal courts, which is that the
35:52
Speaker 3: federal government gets to trump the states, and that that
35:56
Speaker 3: is part of the Constitution. Is a supremacy clause that
35:59
Speaker 3: says the constance the federal law is the supreme law
36:02
Speaker 3: of the land. I think it is a real problem
36:07
Speaker 3: that John Roberts is a creature of Washington. I don't
36:11
Speaker 3: think he understands what is happening at the southern border.
36:14
Speaker 3: I think Amy Cony Barrett is a law professor from Indiana.
36:18
Speaker 3: I don't think she has any understanding of what's happening
36:21
Speaker 3: at the southern border in ordinary times. If this were
36:26
Speaker 3: just a regular time and a state we're trying to
36:29
Speaker 3: block what the federal government was doing, the Supreme Court
36:32
Speaker 3: would fairly routinely rule with feeds. What I don't think
36:37
Speaker 3: these justices have a real appreciation for is how horrifically
36:42
Speaker 3: bad it is, how lawless it is what the Biden
36:46
Speaker 3: administration is doing. There's never been a president who refuses
36:49
Speaker 3: to follow the law like Joe Biden did. So here's
36:52
Speaker 3: the statement that the Border Patrol Union put out today
36:56
Speaker 3: quote the Supreme Court's decision today is going to undoubtedly
37:02
Speaker 3: encourage more illegal immigration. Unfortunately, this means border patrol agents
37:07
Speaker 3: are going to be tied up dealing with give ups
37:10
Speaker 3: rather than going after the criminal elements that constantly cross
37:14
Speaker 3: our border illegally. The administration, no doubt will say this
37:19
Speaker 3: is a win for border security, but if they sought
37:23
Speaker 3: rank and file input, they would be told this will
37:27
Speaker 3: do the exact opposite. Agents support what Texas was trying
37:32
Speaker 3: to accomplish in the absence of true border security policies
37:37
Speaker 3: from this administration. I agree with the Border Patrol Union,
37:41
Speaker 3: and so I am angry. I'm frustrated. I think the
37:44
Speaker 3: Court is out of touch. I think they're just reflexively
37:48
Speaker 3: agreeing with the federal government against the States, and I
37:51
Speaker 3: think it is a profound mistake that continues the invasion
37:55
Speaker 3: that's happening in our southern border.
37:58
Speaker 2: To be clear, one other thing on that says, when
38:00
Speaker 2: you hear the Biden administration say that they are working
38:03
Speaker 2: to secure the border, I think everybody needs to lot
38:06
Speaker 2: remember this moment that they not only are they not,
38:09
Speaker 2: they went all the way to Supreme Court to make
38:11
Speaker 2: sure they could unsecure portions of the border where raids
38:15
Speaker 2: or wire was put up to secure the border.
38:17
Speaker 3: That's how much I understand. Hold on, I want to
38:20
Speaker 3: underscore what you're just saying. So today in the capital,
38:23
Speaker 3: as I was walking to the Capitol, lots of reporters
38:26
Speaker 3: wanted to ask me about this decision, and they said, well, gosh,
38:29
Speaker 3: Biden just says if Congress will pass the supplemental bill,
38:32
Speaker 3: then we'll have the ability to secure the border. And
38:34
Speaker 3: I said, listen, understand, Biden doesn't want to secure the border.
38:38
Speaker 3: He wants this crisis. He wants more illegal immigrants. And
38:41
Speaker 3: I said, for Pete's sakes, Biden is actively litigating against
38:46
Speaker 3: the state of Texas to stop Texas from securing the border.
38:51
Speaker 3: That's what they want. They want this invasion. And that's
38:55
Speaker 3: exactly what the Biden administration is doing with the emphatics
39:00
Speaker 3: part of essentially every Democrat member of the Senate and
39:03
Speaker 3: every Democrat member of the House.
39:06
Speaker 1: It will be a huge election your issue.
39:08
Speaker 2: We will keep covering it here that I can promise you,
39:12
Speaker 2: but I want to make sure that we got this
39:13
Speaker 2: out there. For many people that were asked that same question,
39:16
Speaker 2: why do these two justices a lot of people. You
39:19
Speaker 2: believe they were conservative and they screwed the state of Texas.
39:22
Speaker 2: They screwed conservatives, they sided with a Biden administration. Your
39:26
Speaker 2: explanation hopefully will make a little bit of sense to
39:28
Speaker 2: people and understanding of why this happened. And it's still
39:31
Speaker 2: being litigated. I think that's something else we need to
39:33
Speaker 2: be clear about. It's still being litigated and that will
39:37
Speaker 2: play out. How long will take for this to get
39:39
Speaker 2: a final ruling through this litigation potentially years.
39:44
Speaker 3: It could take a long time. And if Trump wins,
39:46
Speaker 3: it'll become mooded because Trump will stop litigating.
39:49
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Speaker 2: check that periodically from what we understand, so make sure
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Speaker 2: you do that and the Center and I will see
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Speaker 2: you back here on Friday.