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DOJ Warned Biden's Pardons Could Free Violent Felons plus Trump Brokers Path Toward Ukraine-Russia Peace · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: We have new breaking news and it deals with former
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Speaker 1: President Joe Biden. He ignored. We're now being told the
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Speaker 1: Department of Justice's warnings over legally flawed auto pen pardons.
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Speaker 1: Senior Justice Department officials were left scrambling to quote interpret
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Speaker 1: the sweeping clemency orders former President Joe Biden approved for
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Speaker 1: thousands of federal convicts in his final days and final
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Speaker 1: hours in office, and they chastised the White House for
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Speaker 1: falsely portraying the releases as limited to quote nonviolent offenders. This,
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Speaker 1: according to internal emails, have now been revealed. The records
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Speaker 1: obtained by the Oversight Project and reviewed by The Washington
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Speaker 1: Examiner now reveal that former Associate Deputy Attorney General, the
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Speaker 1: Department's top career official the time, Bradley Weinsheimer, raised alarms
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Speaker 1: immediately after Biden issued three auto pen sign warrants on
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Speaker 1: January seventeenth, covering nearly two thousand, five hundred inmates were
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Speaker 1: now learning. In a January eighteenth message to the White
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Speaker 1: House Council and the Department of Justice Office of the
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Speaker 1: Partner Attorney, Weinsheimer wrote that one warrant granted clemency for
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Speaker 1: offenses described to the Department of justice was so vague
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Speaker 1: it could not be lawfully even carried out quote unquote.
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Speaker 1: He went on to say, at the time, I think
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Speaker 1: the language is highly problematic, adding that to interpret the
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Speaker 1: document properly, we will need a statement or direction from
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Speaker 1: President Biden. He also suggested that Biden provide quote a
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Speaker 1: list as to each inmate listing the offenses that are
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Speaker 1: covered by the commutation, which he described as the clearest
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Speaker 1: and least problematic alternative. Moving forward, Weinsheimer and Biden needed
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Speaker 1: to clarify the meaning of the warrant language quote unquote,
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Speaker 1: so the DOJ could implement it in the manner intended
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Speaker 1: they claim by President Joe Biden. Here is an exact
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Speaker 1: quote from the email. It said this, Given the above,
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Speaker 1: I think it is best that we receive a direct
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Speaker 1: statement on direction from President Biden as to the meaning
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Speaker 1: of the warrant language. This will then allow us to
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Speaker 1: give full effect to the commutation, warrant, and the manner
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Speaker 1: intended by the President. In the absence of such a
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Speaker 1: statement or direction, I am concerned option three above will
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Speaker 1: be the interpretation that is given to the warrant. While
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Speaker 1: that is a logical construction, legally it can't possibly be
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Speaker 1: what the President intended, so I would like to avoid
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Speaker 1: that outcome. One other important note the email says, in
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Speaker 1: communication about the commutations, the White House has described those
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Speaker 1: who receive commutations as people convicted of nonviolent drug offenses.
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Speaker 1: I think you should stop saying that because it is
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Speaker 1: untrue or at least misleading. As you know, even with
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Speaker 1: the exceedingly limited review we were permitted to do of
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Speaker 1: the individuals we believe you might be considering for commutation action,
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Speaker 1: we initially identified nineteen that were quote highly problematic. That
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Speaker 1: was based only upon running our initial priority list against
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Speaker 1: the list of those who had submitted clemency petitions, a
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Speaker 1: small percentage of the overall total from the White House.
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Speaker 1: Even in that number, we identified violent offenders, including those
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Speaker 1: who committed acts of violence during the offense. Now, this
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Speaker 1: is a screenshot of a much longer email exchange that
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Speaker 1: came from Weinsheimer on January eighteenth. This email was directly
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Speaker 1: warning the Biden White House that its language about clemency
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Speaker 1: subjects was quote untrue or at least misleading. Weinsheimer also
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Speaker 1: warned the ambiguous order could unintentionally wipe away convictions for
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Speaker 1: many violent felons. He pushed back against the White House,
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Speaker 1: messaging that the clemency recipients were only nonviolent drug offenders.
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Speaker 1: That's not true. Among them, for example, was Russell Macintosh.
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Speaker 1: Now this is not someone you would ever describe as
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Speaker 1: a quote nonviolent drug offender. How do we know this?
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Speaker 1: Russell kill woman and her two year old child to
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Speaker 1: protect his drug business. Stephen Fowler, whose enforcer tortured an
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Speaker 1: informant with a but tane torch, and Plays Anderson, a
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Speaker 1: gangster's disciple member, was implicated in multiple murders and multiple kidnappings.
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Speaker 1: This according to a commutation's receipt page from the Department
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Speaker 1: of Justice. Now all of the people I just named
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Speaker 1: those are not nonviolent drug offenders, as the White House claimed.
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Speaker 1: And despite these warnings, the White House released a statement
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Speaker 1: in Biden's name touting the mass commutations as relief for
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Speaker 1: quote non violent drug offenses and saying it was the
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Speaker 1: largest clemency action in US history that we apparently were
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Speaker 1: supposed to celebrate it well. In July, in the interview
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Speaker 1: with The New York Time, I want to remind you,
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Speaker 1: Biden insisted he personally made all clemency decisions, calling Republican
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Speaker 1: claims that AIDS misused the autopen ridiculous and quote false.
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Speaker 1: Now I'm at scrutiny of his aide's use of the
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Speaker 1: automated signature device to place his name on the pardon documents.
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Speaker 1: Biden said he approved broad categories of inmates and left
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Speaker 1: staff to apply those standards, defending using an autopen as
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Speaker 1: a practical tool to process the sheer volume of cases. However,
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Speaker 1: the DOJ emails illustrated that inside of Biden's administration, officials
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Speaker 1: were at least at the very least very uncertain about
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Speaker 1: what Biden was actually ordering them to do, and were
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Speaker 1: forced to openly challenge the accuracy of the White House's
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Speaker 1: public explanation about what they were executing. Now, Weinsheimer previously
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Speaker 1: accused of loyalty to biden administration. He has had warnings,
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Speaker 1: by the way, are notable. Why because given his long
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Speaker 1: reputation as quote a non political DOJ official a career
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Speaker 1: ethics lawyer, he was previously accused, in fact by Republicans
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Speaker 1: of playing it behind the scenes role in shaping what
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Speaker 1: critics derived as Hunter Biden's sweetheart plea deal. While his
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Speaker 1: father was the President of the United States, of America,
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Speaker 1: So you need to know that to put it in perspective.
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Speaker 1: In fact, according to multiple reports, Weinsheimer met directly with
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Speaker 1: the first son Hunter Biden's defence counsel in twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 1: This is a move that raised questions about whether the
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Speaker 1: DOJ's leadership was actually undermining former US Attorney David Weiss's
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Speaker 1: purported independent in that entire case, his career at the
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Speaker 1: DOJ ended with a partisan dispute. In February, shortly after
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump returned to office, the administration reassigned him to
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Speaker 1: a new sanctuary city's task force. Rather than accept the
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Speaker 1: politically charge assignment, Weinsheimer accepted a federal employee buyout, part
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Speaker 1: of a broader wave of career officials who resisted what
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Speaker 1: they viewed as attempts they claimed to politicize the DOJ's
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Speaker 1: work altogether. So if you look at exactly what we
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Speaker 1: now know, it is clear that there were efforts that
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Speaker 1: are happening right now to recover additional records related to
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Speaker 1: the oversights projects, pursuit of the internal DOJ emails to
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Speaker 1: the White House, and that is ongoing, and also the
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Speaker 1: email exchange that we just mentioned. It was revealed on Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: week and a half ago, when the President of United
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Speaker 1: States of America announced he was going to federalize law
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Speaker 1: enforcement in Washington, d C, take charge and fight crime.
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Speaker 1: What did the left in the media say, Well, I
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Speaker 1: can tell you because I was on TV that night
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Speaker 1: on CNN, and they said the president all this was
11:45
Speaker 1: was him being a narcissist, a dictator, and this is
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Speaker 1: all about Donald Trump wanting to be in charge. And
11:53
Speaker 1: I asked the question, why is it you guys hate
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump so much to the point where you won't
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Speaker 1: even advocate for and fighting crime when people are dying
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Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. They then said Donald Trump doesn't
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Speaker 1: know how to fight crime, and that this is all
12:08
Speaker 1: for the cameras. It's all theatrics. That he wasn't actually
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Speaker 1: going to fight crime in high crime areas in Washington,
12:16
Speaker 1: d C. He was just going to put him around
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Speaker 1: the National Mall. Well guess what that was also a lie?
12:23
Speaker 1: How do we know it? Take a list in the
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Speaker 1: White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt is she explains exactly
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Speaker 1: what's happened. In just over a week of data they've
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Speaker 1: now received.
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Speaker 2: President Trump's efforts to make DC safe again are working.
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Speaker 2: There have been a total of four hundred and sixty
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Speaker 2: five arrests since the start of this operation on Thursday,
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Speaker 2: August seventh, last night, there were a total of fifty
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Speaker 2: two arrests, including the arrest of an illegal alien MS
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Speaker 2: thirteen gang member with convictions for DWI and drug possession.
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Speaker 2: Thanks to President Trump's leadership in the outstanding work of
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Speaker 2: both federal and local law enforcement, dangerous gang members like
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Speaker 2: the one picked up last night will not be allowed
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Speaker 2: on the streets of our nation's capital. Other arrests last
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Speaker 2: night included assault with a deadly weapon for stabbing, parole
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Speaker 2: violation for robbery murder, outstanding warrant for attempted murder, assault
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Speaker 2: on federal law enforcement officer, and felony assault. Four more
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Speaker 2: homeless encampments were also removed during yesterday's reporting period. To date,
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Speaker 2: a total of forty eight homeless encampments have been cleared
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Speaker 2: in Washington, d C. By multi agency teams. MPD patrol
13:33
Speaker 2: units are actively working with city officials to locate in
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Speaker 2: clear additional encampments and remove homeless residents off of Washington streets.
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Speaker 2: And despite fake narratives from the media, again, a significant
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Speaker 2: number of the arrests have been in high crime areas
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Speaker 2: of DC. In fact, nearly half of all of the
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Speaker 2: non illegal alien related arrests have occurred in Wards seven
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Speaker 2: and eight, the two wards that have the highest number
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Speaker 2: of violent cres t as well as homicides and assaults
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Speaker 2: with dangerous weapons last year. So while Democrats continue to
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Speaker 2: caudle violent criminals, President Trump and this administration are focused
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Speaker 2: on putting them behind bars and unapologetically standing up for
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Speaker 2: the safety of law abiding American citizens. And the White
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Speaker 2: House will continue to provide all of you with the
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Speaker 2: results of this operation in the days ahead.
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Speaker 1: You listen to what she said, they went into the
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Speaker 1: most violent neighborhoods to protect the least among us. You also,
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Speaker 1: and if you listen to Democratic Party, they're obsessed with
14:35
Speaker 1: Black Lives matter. If I remember correctly, they even painted
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Speaker 1: a street with Black Lives Matter on it, the mayor
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Speaker 1: of DC making sure it was headed straight to the
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Speaker 1: White House. And so why wouldn't you advocate for more
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Speaker 1: law enforcement? Now the liberal media narrative has been well, actually,
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Speaker 1: things are incredibly safe in DC. They's so much better
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Speaker 1: than they were when they they had a quote bad
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Speaker 1: year in twenty twenty three. When we now know that
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Speaker 1: there may be massive lives have been told to us
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five. What am
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Speaker 1: I talking about? Insert the DC police union chairman who's
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Speaker 1: now exposing saying there's a very good chance, based on
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Speaker 1: what they've seen, that the numbers were deliberately manipulated to
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Speaker 1: make crime look like it was lower than it actually
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Speaker 1: was in DC. Another Democrat cover up, caring more about
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Speaker 1: faking the numbers than fighting crime. Listen to what the
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Speaker 1: DC union police chairman had to say on Fox News Channel.
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Speaker 3: Can you confirm for us that there have been police
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Speaker 3: officers and detectives and members of law enforcement in DC
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Speaker 3: who on the scene of crimes have been told don't
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Speaker 3: write that one down, or don't at don't add that
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Speaker 3: to the list, or put that down as a more
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Speaker 3: minor effect.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely.
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Speaker 5: That's one of the chief complaints of our members when
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Speaker 5: we go around and talk to them, is that they
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Speaker 5: respond to the scenes of these violent crimes, and inevitably
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Speaker 5: you'll have a captain or a commander or sometimes a
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Speaker 5: lieutenant show up on the scene and advise them to
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Speaker 5: take a report for a lesser offense. One of the
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Speaker 5: things that we see them do often is Sometimes they'll
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Speaker 5: be a shooting or a stabbing, and if the victim
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Speaker 5: is uncooperative with the police, which is not uncommon in
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Speaker 5: some areas of the city, they'll be directed to take
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Speaker 5: an injured person to the hospital report, which is not
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Speaker 5: even a crime at all, it's an incident report. Sometimes
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Speaker 5: you'll have a robbery, it'll be reported as a theft.
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Speaker 5: Other times you'll have burglaries that are reported as unlawful
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Speaker 5: entry or thefts. This is something that's been unfortunately part
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Speaker 5: and parcel of the police department for some time, and
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Speaker 5: we're very skeptical that these crime stats are accurate.
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Speaker 3: That's extraordinary. What is the motivation? Why are these commanders
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Speaker 3: or higher ups arriving on the scene during apprehensions and
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Speaker 3: telling police officers to indicate something other than what actually
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Speaker 3: happened at the scene.
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Speaker 5: Well, the only explanation you give be to keep the
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Speaker 5: crime stats down because politically that's expedient for the police
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Speaker 5: department and elected officials in the district.
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Speaker 4: I mean, let's go back to how we got here.
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Speaker 5: Which is that in twenty twenty, the DC City Council
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Speaker 5: passed the Comprehensive Policing and Justice Reform Act, which was
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Speaker 5: a sweeping piece of legislation designed to hamstring police officers,
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Speaker 5: to reduce the size, scope, and responsibilities of police officers.
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Speaker 5: In addition, it also prevented us from holding criminals accountable
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Speaker 5: even when they're convicted of crimes. And so now here
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Speaker 5: we are five years later, the police department, with an
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Speaker 5: authorized strength of four thousand sworn members, we only have
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Speaker 5: three thy one and eighty, leaving us with over eight
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Speaker 5: hundred vacancies for the position a police officer. And in
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Speaker 5: order to make up for that gap, the police department
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Speaker 5: uses two million hours of mandatory overtime to cover the
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Speaker 5: demand for police officers. And so because of that, crime
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Speaker 5: has skyrocketed in the district. And one of the things
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Speaker 5: that we think is going on in the police department,
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Speaker 5: which who knows how high up that those directives are
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Speaker 5: coming from, is to make sure that these crime stats
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Speaker 5: are reported in the most favorable way possible.
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Speaker 3: I mean, what you're saying obviously substantiates what we heard
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Speaker 3: from President Trump. He said they were opening investigation and
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Speaker 3: that he didn't believe because what happened. I don't have
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Speaker 3: to tell you I'm speaking to the audience at large,
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Speaker 3: But when President Trump said he wanted to bring a
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Speaker 3: national guard. All we heard from many quarters in the
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Speaker 3: media and in leadership in Washington was this is ridiculous.
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Speaker 3: Our numbers are lower than they've been in a long
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Speaker 3: time in Washington, DC. We don't need national guard presence
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Speaker 3: on our streets. I mean, this sounds very, very egregious.
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Speaker 3: This is lying to the people at the constituents of Washington,
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Speaker 3: d C. And lying to the federal government about what
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Speaker 3: your numbers really are.
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Speaker 5: Well, you're right, Martha, it is a crime under DC Code.
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Speaker 5: It would be false swearing and it would be false reporting,
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Speaker 5: and those are statutes in the DC Code that make
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Speaker 5: it illegal to do that, to false by police reports
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Speaker 5: or to change the data. So if the DOJ is
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Speaker 5: in fact investigating, I hope they do, and if they
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Speaker 5: find that somebody was intentionally manipulating the data, they should
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Speaker 5: be held accountable. It's a crime in the District of Columbia,
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Speaker 5: and frankly, it's a disservice to the police department, it's
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Speaker 5: a disservice to the city, and most of all, it's
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Speaker 5: a diservice to the victims whose police reports are not
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Speaker 5: being properly handled. And we're not dedicating the proper resources
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Speaker 5: to the crimes that they've been victims of. So something
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Speaker 5: needs to change here, and this is an important issue.
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Speaker 1: So let's just go over the DC crime stats. Now,
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Speaker 1: DC crime since the announcement of federal control versus the
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Speaker 1: seven day prior numbers, forty six percent is how much
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Speaker 1: they are down when it comes to robberies, six percent
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Speaker 1: down when it comes to carjacking, eighty three percent down
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Speaker 1: for car theft, twenty one percent, violent crime, twenty two
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Speaker 1: percent down, property crime six percent of all crimes. This
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Speaker 1: is unbelievable. And now the Justice Department is investigating whether
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Speaker 1: the DC police deliberately manipulated crime data. The police chief
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Speaker 1: also saying this about DC crime under the Democrats to
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Speaker 1: the Republicans, the criminal.
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Speaker 5: Justice system here in the District of Columbia is broken.
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Speaker 5: Every aspect of it is broken, whether that's policing, prosecution,
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Speaker 5: judges and trials, sentencing and supervision, all of it is broken.
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Speaker 4: And you can.
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Speaker 5: Trace every aspect of it back to a piece of
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Speaker 5: legislation that was passed by the council. They have destroyed policing,
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Speaker 5: they have destroyed prosecutions, they have destroyed the way that
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Speaker 5: the courts are allowed to operate, and they've destroyed our
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Speaker 5: ability to sentence criminals to sentences that are commensurate with
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Speaker 5: the crimes they've committed. And so the only way to
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Speaker 5: fix this holistically is to go back and look at
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Speaker 5: all of this legislation that the Council passed it back
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Speaker 5: in twenty twenty when there was all of this anti
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Speaker 5: police rhetoric, and work to undo that.
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Speaker 1: So just remember this, remember what the Democratic Party is doing.
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Speaker 1: They're not actually trying to fight crime. They just went
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump to be a failure, even if it means
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Speaker 1: Americans dying. We've got a major story that we've got
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Speaker 1: on August the fifteenth and Anchorage, Alaska, and officials present,
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Speaker 1: including Marco Ruvio and many of the envoy on the
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Speaker 1: US side, said that there was real progress that was made.
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Speaker 1: Democrats in the media, of course, using the Sunday morning
21:28
Speaker 1: shows to lie to the American people. We also now
21:32
Speaker 1: know through sources the territorial proposals have been floated. In fact, quote,
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Speaker 1: a potential peace framework is emerging. Putin reportedly offered to
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Speaker 1: withdraw from small areas in southern Sumi and other areas
21:47
Speaker 1: in exchange for larger concessions from Ukraine. However, the ideas
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Speaker 1: remain controversial and unresolved. Notably, Russia wants Ukraine to renounce
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22:14
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22:18
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22:21
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear what Marco Rubio had to say.
25:13
Speaker 1: He was on face the nation Democrats saying that Donald
25:17
Speaker 1: Trump got played by Vladimir Putin. It's absurd. They weren't
25:21
Speaker 1: in the room. No he didn't, But there's nothing to
25:23
Speaker 1: say that that's actually what happened. Now. Of course, the
25:26
Speaker 1: media is running with it because that's what Democrats are saying,
25:29
Speaker 1: and why because they would rather score political points against
25:32
Speaker 1: is Trump then stop the senseless killing between Russia and Ukraine,
25:37
Speaker 1: with the innocent children and women and seniors and men
25:41
Speaker 1: and women in general that are being forced to fight
25:43
Speaker 1: in this war. I want you to hear the Secretary
25:46
Speaker 1: of Saint Rubio on Ukraine and what he says. This
25:50
Speaker 1: meeting with Zelenski is going to really look like.
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Speaker 6: This Weekley, If if Vladimir Putin is going to be
25:58
Speaker 6: offered land that he has not seized yet but negotiates
26:02
Speaker 6: his way into, doesn't this set a dangerous precedent that
26:05
Speaker 6: the United States now accepts this concept that it is
26:09
Speaker 6: okay to seize land by force.
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Speaker 7: Well, Putin's already sees land by force, and that in
26:17
Speaker 7: and of itself is not a positive precedent.
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Speaker 4: This whole war. A you're demanding withdrawal or precedent.
26:23
Speaker 7: Well, again, here's the in order to have a deal
26:26
Speaker 7: here to in to reach the end of this conflict,
26:29
Speaker 7: both sides are going to have to make concessions. That's
26:31
Speaker 7: just a fact. Any negotiation, no, no, but if But this
26:36
Speaker 7: is not about accepting. This is about what Ukraine can
26:38
Speaker 7: accept and what Russia can accept. They both have to
26:40
Speaker 7: accept it, otherwise there won't be a peace deal. Okay,
26:43
Speaker 7: if there aren't concessions, If one side gets everything they want,
26:45
Speaker 7: that's called surrender. That's called the end of the war
26:48
Speaker 7: through surrender, and not what we're close to doing anything
26:50
Speaker 7: close to it. So in order for there to be
26:52
Speaker 7: a peace deal, this is just a fact.
26:54
Speaker 1: Like it.
26:54
Speaker 4: It may not, it may may meet this taste.
26:56
Speaker 7: But in order for there to be an end of
26:58
Speaker 7: the war, there are things Russia wants that it can
27:00
Speaker 7: cannot get, and there are things Ukraine wants that it's
27:02
Speaker 7: not going to get. Both sides are gonna have to
27:04
Speaker 7: give up something in order to get to the table
27:06
Speaker 7: in order to make this happen.
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Speaker 4: That's just the way it is.
27:09
Speaker 7: And I mean, the sooner we accept that that's the
27:11
Speaker 7: reality now what those things are, it's gonna be up
27:14
Speaker 7: to both sides. There's no conditions that can be imposed
27:17
Speaker 7: on Ukraine. They're gonna have to accept things, but they're
27:19
Speaker 7: gonna have to get things too. And so, for example,
27:22
Speaker 7: Ukraine is a sovereign country. They have a right like
27:24
Speaker 7: every sovereign country does in the world, to have the
27:27
Speaker 7: enter into security alliances with other countries to prevent an
27:30
Speaker 7: invasion in the future, to prevent threats to the national security.
27:33
Speaker 7: That's not an unreasonable request. That's something needs to be
27:35
Speaker 7: worked on. Territories will have to be discussed. It's just
27:38
Speaker 7: a fact. And there are things that maybe Russia's holding
27:41
Speaker 7: now that they're gonna have to give up, who knows.
27:43
Speaker 7: The point is we need to create a scenario where
27:46
Speaker 7: that becomes possible. And that's why this has been so hard,
27:49
Speaker 7: because neither side up to now has been willing to
27:52
Speaker 7: give on some of these things.
27:53
Speaker 4: But we'll see if that's possible.
27:55
Speaker 7: It may not be, but we're gonna try, and we're
27:56
Speaker 7: gonna do everything we can to try to achieve a peace.
27:59
Speaker 1: Now, think about what Karubio just said there. He says
28:02
Speaker 1: we're moving towards peace. Why would anyone want a root
28:06
Speaker 1: against that? Why would you want to root against President
28:09
Speaker 1: Donald Trump if he is able to get these parties
28:12
Speaker 1: to the table, which by the way, is exactly what
28:14
Speaker 1: he's moving towards right now, getting closer than anybody else has,
28:18
Speaker 1: and he now has at least a framework. And that
28:22
Speaker 1: is part of what Marco Rubio also said on Face
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Speaker 1: the Nation, reminding the host we are moving forward, whether
28:29
Speaker 1: you like it or.
28:30
Speaker 6: Not, asking about the security that you just mentioned there,
28:33
Speaker 6: because Italy's Prime minister says that President Trump provide the
28:37
Speaker 6: idea of security guarantees inspired by NATO's Article five and
28:40
Speaker 6: a collective security clause that would involve the United States.
28:46
Speaker 6: How does that work? Are these US troops that we're
28:50
Speaker 6: going to monitors.
28:52
Speaker 4: Well, that's what we're going to be working on. That's why.
28:54
Speaker 7: That's one of the reasons why you know, I talked
28:55
Speaker 7: yesterday to all the national security advisors and a bunch
28:58
Speaker 7: of them from the different European countries or European leaders
29:01
Speaker 7: coming here tomorrow, heads of state coming tomorrow along with
29:03
Speaker 7: President Zelensky to discuss this in more detail. I mean,
29:07
Speaker 7: the constructs of something like this needs to be built.
29:09
Speaker 7: Out A concept is one thing. The reality you know,
29:12
Speaker 7: how it's built and how it would work is another.
29:14
Speaker 7: But those are the kinds of talks that we're going
29:16
Speaker 7: to be having with them, along with some of the
29:17
Speaker 7: other issues that are at play. But that is one
29:20
Speaker 7: of the if you were to break this thing down.
29:22
Speaker 7: I mean, there are obviously there needs to be an
29:24
Speaker 7: agreement on territories and where the lines are going to
29:26
Speaker 7: be drawn.
29:26
Speaker 4: That's not going to be very easy. That's going to
29:28
Speaker 4: be tough.
29:29
Speaker 7: I think there has to be some discussion about security
29:31
Speaker 7: guarantees for Ukraine because they don't want this war. None
29:34
Speaker 7: of us want to see this war in the future.
29:36
Speaker 7: They're a sovereign country. They have a right to have
29:38
Speaker 7: security agreements with other countries and security alliances with other countries.
29:42
Speaker 7: And then there's the whole issue in construction. How do
29:44
Speaker 7: you rebuild the country? Well, potentially, like I said, that's
29:47
Speaker 7: what we're going to be having a conversation about, and
29:50
Speaker 7: that's what we're going to be meeting. That's why they're
29:52
Speaker 7: all coming here tomorrow, and that's why we've been talking
29:54
Speaker 7: on the phone for the last forty eight hours.
29:56
Speaker 4: With them and even leading up to it. Throughout the week, there.
29:58
Speaker 7: Were various meetings just to sort of filled out some
30:00
Speaker 7: of these ideas. So all of these right now are ideas.
30:02
Speaker 7: There are concepts that require some more specificity. Will need
30:05
Speaker 7: to work with our partners to see what that looks like.
30:07
Speaker 7: And I think that's an area where potential progress is real.
30:10
Speaker 7: But that alone won't be enough. There's a bunch of
30:12
Speaker 7: other things that have to be worked through.
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Speaker 1: Here we're gonna be working right. Notice how he's like,
30:16
Speaker 1: we have things to work through. There's no way everything
30:19
Speaker 1: could be agreed to to stop a multi year war
30:23
Speaker 1: in a three hour time span when only one of
30:25
Speaker 1: the two parties is in the room with President Trump.
30:28
Speaker 1: You think about their definition of success. It was an
30:31
Speaker 1: immediate end of the war, a ceasefire immediately when Donald
30:35
Speaker 1: Trump walked down of that meeting in Alaska. That was
30:37
Speaker 1: never gonna happen. Everyone knows that was never gonna happen.
30:41
Speaker 1: There are concessions that may need to be made. There
30:43
Speaker 1: are security guarantees that need to be made. And this
30:47
Speaker 1: goes back to how much the media hates Donald Trump.
30:52
Speaker 1: They would rather him fail then stop the senseless killing
30:56
Speaker 1: around the world. Now here's something else. That also center,
31:00
Speaker 1: Rubio said that it's important listen carefully.
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Speaker 7: If not, it's just called surrender. And neither side is
31:06
Speaker 7: going to surrender, So both sides are going to have
31:09
Speaker 7: to make concessions.
31:09
Speaker 4: So, of course concessions were asked.
31:11
Speaker 7: But what utility would there be of me going on
31:13
Speaker 7: a program and tell you we've wagged our finger at
31:15
Speaker 7: Putin and told them you must do this and you
31:17
Speaker 7: must do that. It's only gonna make it harder and
31:20
Speaker 7: less likely that they're going to agree to these things.
31:22
Speaker 7: So these negotiations, as much as everyone would love it
31:25
Speaker 7: to be a live, pay per view event, these discussions
31:28
Speaker 7: only work best when they are conducted privately. In negotiating
31:32
Speaker 7: serious negotiations in which people who have to go back
31:35
Speaker 7: and respond to constituencies, because even dolitarian governments have constituencies
31:41
Speaker 7: they have to respond to.
31:42
Speaker 4: People have to go back and defend.
31:44
Speaker 7: These agreements that they make and so and figure out
31:47
Speaker 7: a way to explain them to people. So we need
31:48
Speaker 7: to create space for concessions to be made. But of
31:51
Speaker 7: course concessions were asked.
31:53
Speaker 1: Of course concessions were asked. We work and do these
31:57
Speaker 1: discussions in private. Isn't it amazing how the media they
32:01
Speaker 1: believe they're so important that they should be in the
32:03
Speaker 1: middle of negotiations between Russia, Ukraine, the EU, and the
32:07
Speaker 1: United States of America. Ultimately, the President of the United
32:11
Speaker 1: States of America, Donald Trump, knows one thing. This piece
32:15
Speaker 1: deal is not going to be done without Vladimir Putin
32:18
Speaker 1: agreeing to it and also Zelensky agreeing to it. So
32:22
Speaker 1: the question is coming out of this meeting at the
32:25
Speaker 1: White House, the one on one was Zelensky and then
32:28
Speaker 1: the meeting with all of the world leaders, what was
32:31
Speaker 1: Zolensky's mindset? Does he want peace or does he want
32:36
Speaker 1: this three plus year war to continue. I want you
32:40
Speaker 1: to listen to Zolensky in his own words at the
32:43
Speaker 1: White House. This is at the very end of the
32:45
Speaker 1: day after the meetings had taken place, and here is
32:49
Speaker 1: what he said to close it all out.
32:51
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
32:52
Speaker 8: I can speak without my perform.
32:56
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
32:57
Speaker 8: I think that we had a very good conversation with President,
33:00
Speaker 8: very good and it really was the best one or sorry,
33:04
Speaker 8: maybe the best one will be in the future, but
33:07
Speaker 8: it was really good and we spoke about very sensitive points.
33:12
Speaker 8: The first one is security guarantees and We are very
33:14
Speaker 8: happy with President that all the leaders are here, and
33:18
Speaker 8: the security in Ukraine depends on the United States and
33:22
Speaker 8: on you and on those leaders who are with us
33:25
Speaker 8: in our hearts. They have been online before yesterday and etc.
33:30
Speaker 8: So a lot of countries on the side of Ukraine,
33:33
Speaker 8: our people and all of us want to finish this word,
33:36
Speaker 8: stop Supprussian and stop this war. We spoke about it
33:40
Speaker 8: and we will speak more about security guarantees. This is
33:43
Speaker 8: very important that the United States gives such strong signal
33:47
Speaker 8: and is ready for security guarantees. The second point, or
33:52
Speaker 8: maybe the first humanitarian direction were important to change all
33:56
Speaker 8: the prisoners, and I think that President will help. And
33:59
Speaker 8: I was very said to your wife again, mister President,
34:03
Speaker 8: for the letter about our abductive children, and I hope
34:09
Speaker 8: that really it can be historic role for the people
34:14
Speaker 8: to bring kids back to the families and be happy
34:19
Speaker 8: the people. This is so so important and I'm happy
34:23
Speaker 8: that we discussed it.
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Speaker 4: This tracked with the President Trump, and I hope that.
34:27
Speaker 8: We will find decisions and then what is very important
34:32
Speaker 8: that all the sensitive things territorial and et cetera week
34:37
Speaker 8: we will discuss on the level of leaders during trilateral
34:41
Speaker 8: meeting and President Trump will try to organize such meeting,
34:47
Speaker 8: and he said that he will come or not come.
34:51
Speaker 8: Ukraine will be happy.
34:52
Speaker 3: If if you, if you, if you will will be there,
34:55
Speaker 3: will be there.
34:55
Speaker 8: Yeah, thank you, and I think this is very important. Yeah,
35:00
Speaker 8: so security guarantees, bring kids back and all our people
35:05
Speaker 8: not only warriors first of all warriors and all the civilians, journalists,
35:09
Speaker 8: a lot of people in prison, so we need them
35:13
Speaker 8: back and guarantees which will work for the years. We
35:17
Speaker 8: spoke about it and I showed the President a lot
35:21
Speaker 8: of details on the battlefield on the map. Thank you
35:24
Speaker 8: so much.
35:25
Speaker 2: Thank you for the.
35:26
Speaker 4: Map, by the way, it was great.
35:28
Speaker 8: I'm thinking how to take it back.
35:31
Speaker 9: We'll get you.
35:32
Speaker 8: No. I think that we had constructive, specific meeting and
35:37
Speaker 8: I'm very thankful to all the all the leaders who
35:40
Speaker 8: are here and you help a lot, and so we're
35:45
Speaker 8: happy that we have such a big unity today.
35:48
Speaker 4: Thank you, mister, Thank you very much.
35:51
Speaker 9: I think you'll say that President really would like to
35:54
Speaker 9: do something else. I think when we set that up,
35:58
Speaker 9: when we do, I think it's going to be when
35:59
Speaker 9: if I think you're going to see some very really
36:03
Speaker 9: positive moves.
36:05
Speaker 1: There's a couple takeaways from what you just heard. Number one,
36:08
Speaker 1: the media. They hate that President Trump is bringing these
36:12
Speaker 1: two countries closer to a piece agreement. They hate that
36:16
Speaker 1: they cannot continue to lie to you claiming that Vadimir
36:19
Speaker 1: Putin played Donald Trump. They hate the fact that Donald
36:24
Speaker 1: Trump is respected by all of these world leaders who
36:27
Speaker 1: are saying to him, thank you, and we've never been
36:30
Speaker 1: closer in the last three years. And they would rather
36:33
Speaker 1: Donald Trump be a failure the Democratic Party and the
36:37
Speaker 1: media then stop the killing of so many people in
36:42
Speaker 1: Ukraine and in Russia. Let that sink in. That is
36:46
Speaker 1: what President Trump is up against, and that's what many
36:49
Speaker 1: conservatives are up against every single day by the people
36:53
Speaker 1: in our media and the Democratic Party in America. Right now,
36:57
Speaker 1: during a day full of crunch peace talks with leaders
37:01
Speaker 1: in the United Kingdom, the European Union, NATO, and Ukraine,
37:05
Speaker 1: it wasn't isolated from direct contact with Russia. Again, this
37:09
Speaker 1: goes back to the media lying to us. President Trump
37:13
Speaker 1: broke off. We are now being told to personally call
37:17
Speaker 1: Moscow to arrange a bilateral meeting between Putin and Zelensky,
37:21
Speaker 1: and ultimately the goal is to set up a three
37:26
Speaker 1: way meeting in which he will act as a mediator
37:29
Speaker 1: for a final peace agreement. Now, before the breakthrough by
37:34
Speaker 1: the President on Monday afternoon, you have to understand the
37:37
Speaker 1: Kremlin had been going nuts and saying that they would
37:43
Speaker 1: not agree to any face to face talks. Was Olenski
37:46
Speaker 1: opting only to negotiate through the Trump and the White House.
37:50
Speaker 1: The President, writing on true Social quote, at the conclusion
37:54
Speaker 1: of the meetings, I called President Putin and began the
37:56
Speaker 1: arrangements for a meeting at a location to be determined
38:00
Speaker 1: between President Putin and President Zelenski. After that meeting takes place,
38:05
Speaker 1: we will have a trilateral meeting, which would be the
38:08
Speaker 1: two presidents plus myself. Again, this is a very good
38:12
Speaker 1: early step for a war that's been going on for
38:15
Speaker 1: almost four years. President United States of America made it
38:18
Speaker 1: clear that he was going to be a president of peace.
38:21
Speaker 1: He wanted to broker these types of deals if he
38:23
Speaker 1: was elected. He wanted to move forward to make sure
38:26
Speaker 1: that this was something that could happen and it could
38:29
Speaker 1: be real, something that Joe Biden could never get. And
38:33
Speaker 1: that is exactly why I voted for him, and I
38:36
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