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Matthew Chapter 5: Bible Study by Atheists · Sacrilegious Discourse - Bible Study for Atheists

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  [UNKNOWN]: Ha ha!
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Wife!
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what we're doing today?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, last time we read Matthew chapter 4.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, stuck dead.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And in that one, um, Jesus went for a walk in the woods.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Like Bill Bryson something like that.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, um, um, just to make it clear.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: There is a book called a walk in the woods by Bill Bryson highly recommend highly recommend not just the book, but the audio Yeah, because he reads it himself in a holy shit.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's fucking hilarious off script here a bit, but I'm not that we have a script, but anyway off off
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  [SPEAKER_02]: topic, but you brought it up.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was in Saskatchewan, which often people know.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So sometimes if they've listened for a while, but I did hike the Appalachian Trail.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Like we had this... Not the whole thing.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We went on the original trail, actually, as we went.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It was a beautiful hike, it was 21 miles.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And anyway, when I listened to this book, it just...
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  [SPEAKER_00]: it may be want to go back.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was such a beautiful way to describe his experience on the Appalachian Trail.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He is brilliant at imparting information and also entertaining at the same time because I've never hiked in my fucking life.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I've never worn a hiking shoe, and I loved it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I loved that book.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, Jesus went for a walk.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He went for a walk with Bill Brayson, go on.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But he found Satan.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He did.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Satan.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm sorry, not Satan.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: The devil.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The devil.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that's the same.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Who gives a shit?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it matters.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Tempting mother fucker.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's tempted.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's told you, sorry.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He tries to tempt Jesus.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He did.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Every time he really pisses poorly.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, don't bother building.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Wait.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And then he's like, jump off the mountain.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He's just kidding.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus is just like, nah, and then they just move along.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It was like, okay, it was so great.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, honestly, the tempting was like so mad.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, John the Baptist kind of rested.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was like, oh, when John was in jail, and we were like, I'm sorry, record scratch.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: What the fuck did you just say?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Jesus started collecting fishermen and, you know, purging people of demons.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, apparently demons are real.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I, that's, you know, like so much happened in that chapter.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: There was a very short chapter, but a lot happened.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, I'm really excited about it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So Matthew has been very exciting.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I must say.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: In this lot of action.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That was, that was Matthew chapter four.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It sure spoke one.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Which means that today we're getting into.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Little Matty chapter five before we get into it though.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And they're from Australia.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Australia, you have to say it correctly.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Australia.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure that that's correct.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And they also say ignore when they say no.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's spelled more N.O.R.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And they get really pissed about Americans always talking about shrimps on the Barbies.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, no, we don't say that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And also, the city of Brisbane, it's not pronounced Brisbane.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Even though that's how it spelled, it's Brisbane.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad we got all these Australian pointers for me tonight.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I want sports punter to be my friend.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's to know that I care.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, just for the record as so, sport punter says that they were raised Christian and became a scientist and realized how wrong the Bible was.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We do.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So that being said, what are we getting into?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you already said it?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We're doing chapter five.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Little Maddie chapter 5.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, when Jesus already jay, Robert Downey Jesus, collecting his gang members.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So all the crowds, remember because he was traveling around teaching at different synagogues and stuff?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he has Persian people's demons and whatever.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He'll heal in their viruses and stuff.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So he's gathering crowds.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So when he saw them, he went up on a mountain side and sat down.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So, okay.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: His disciples came to him and he began to teach them.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He said, he used to him.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we're getting the Beatitudes.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So the rest of this chapter is all in red.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So this is nothing but fucking Jesus's words.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a little like dented by that like, I'm not just for this.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Ready?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm ready.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Here's some Jesus
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are the pure and heart, for they will see God.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called children.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: What is this teaching?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, he's just telling us all who's blessed.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Every time somebody sucks, it's fine, they're good.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I, yeah, it just doesn't really.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: If these are not lessons, these are bumper stickers.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, yeah, when it doesn't really line up, I mean, I, look, okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm struggling here because we're still Jewish at this point, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Because Christ hasn't died.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We be the people of the Bible.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: People of the Bible, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The Jewish.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They're all Jewish.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So Old Testament doctrines told rules.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming at the point, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm having trouble reconciling these.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Comments with regard to what happened in the Old Testament.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Like it doesn't really make sense.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, okay, because Jesus died for our sins, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't know.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't got there yet.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I've heard.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I've heard.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I've heard, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But like, again, he's still alive.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's speaking and so we're supposed to take this at, as though it's part of the whole Jewish doctrine at this point.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to assume.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I guess, I just don't really track with what I know of the whole testament in a lot of ways.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying it's completely off track, but like there are definitely some things I get point to that are that contradict a lot of these things that God has said.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: My problem is less the historical aspect, which I'm here with you.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you, but my problem is that it says he began to teach and then these are like simple things that when you suffer it's fine because you'll be comforted.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you this type of person.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: When you're hungry, you'll be fed and that's cool too.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: These are very simple like you were teaching this this this is what the people they they came and sat down at your feet to to hear These platitudes.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Like blessed are the meat for they will inherit the earth.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's fine.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Who else is blind?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called children of God.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I know some people in office who need to read that one.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Most of them.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Then you already saved righteousness?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, whatever.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No, okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But now, blessed are those who are persecuted.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Five righteousness.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: The people who hunger and thirst for righteousness, they're, they're awesome.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But then the ones who actually go so far as to be persecuted for it, they're called children.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They're all, everybody, if you're dealing in righteousness, you're good to go.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Good people are good.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He just threw himself in the mix.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, this is going to suck for some of you because of me and you're blessed.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting, actually.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That sounds like so many people today use Jesus to bash other people.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's almost like that goes directly against everything.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you want to use Jesus to tell people that they're wrong and bad, but in the Bible, literally says, what did they say again?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Ray, like if you're using Jesus to install the persecute and all this because of Jesus.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't think that's what it means.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I think I think that it's about if you believe in me, you're probably going to get stoned for being a Christian and the sucks for you.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I see.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's going to suck for my believers.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay, because you're going to have to take a lot of shit because you believe in me.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That's my understanding.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I give it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I like my interpretation better, but, you know, it's probably, you're, you're, you're definitely more correct.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I just feel like it's weird that he's like, it's going to suck for my followers out there.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, whoa, that's himself promotion.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Crazy.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's like what they tell us.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's like what, uh, when you're listening to, um, any right wing media, we're going to like, they're persecuting the Christians now and not, you know, it's like, there's all about the persecution of the Christians, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And they try to make it this whole thing where we're going to be persecuted so they rely on everybody up because we're going to be persecuted.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's a good rallying cry to get people drummed up and in support of you because you're like, it's got a suck.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, oh, we got, we got you.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to get persecuted.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: right yeah let's not let's not be persecuted right let's let's get our guns first and shoot people we went hold on everybody needs to fucking hookoon of their tautas right yeah it is also it makes me think of that scene in the breakfast club where um the guy the nerd the the dork he looks at the popular girl you know um the princess and says you're so conceded clear
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like, yeah, Jesus, you're being all conceded.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, just because you're right, doesn't, doesn't make you any less full of yourselves.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, rejoice and be glad because great is your reward in heaven for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: me.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They're comparing his followers to the Prophet.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's essentially.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You say that you guys are because you believe in me, you're going to have a, it's all good.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to be like the Prophet.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for that.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You are the soul to the earth.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No, that's lots wife.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh,
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty salty.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm always salty because I sweat a lot, so there's that, but also I'm like a bitter, cynical person.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm metaphorically and literally salty.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm the saltyest bitch alive.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You are the light of the world.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: A town built on the hill cannot be hidden.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: No, because a town built on the hill is all lit up.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you can see it from my way.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Neither do people let a lamp and put it under a bowl.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Instead, they put it on its stand and it gives light to everyone in the house.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: In the same way, let your light shine before others that they may see your good deeds and glorify your father in heaven.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's funny because I'm literally looking at a light that we have this kind of under a bowl.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you're right.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: that's so funny is one of those like what are those lamps the reading lamp things or whatever the ones that's just like a lamp pole yeah yeah yeah but like I mean the way it's shaped that the lights kind of are all you know yeah yeah that's hilarious this just feels like oh now we're definitely reading the new testament this is not the old testament this is a completely different book because now we're like
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it sounds like a sales pitch right now.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This is all, he's making whoever he's talking to, very happy.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, I, I'm definitely good.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Did you hear what he just said?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This is awesome.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You guys are special and you're pretty and you're tall.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Great.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes it's gonna suck and that's okay.
• 14:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: You'll get your just rewards after your dad.
• 14:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, George, George, we're gonna be just like the profits.
• 14:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just like, you're going to be persecuted just like them, but don't worry about it.
• 14:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're good to kill later.
• 14:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: After we die, we're good.
• 15:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 15:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to suck, but you'll be fine.
• 15:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: You'll be fine in the whole afterlife.
• 15:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 15:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 15:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the profits.
• 15:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 15:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you talk to Christians, they kind of say that's exactly what sometimes.
• 15:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, depends on who you're talking to and about what.
• 15:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I have not come to a poll abolish them,
• 15:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, for truly I tell you until heaven and earth disappear and not the smallest letter not the least stroke of a pen will by any means disappear from the law capital L law like the you know Jewish law yeah until everything is accomplished and I can tell the weird reading
• 15:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, let me finish that.
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can tell that we're reading a watered down interpretation of this because this is the same verse I believe where they get the jotting tittle from every jotting tittle away.
• 16:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 16:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Of like crossing your teeth and dotting your eyes like that phrase comes from this.
• 16:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 16:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I find it interesting that he says that not anything is going to go.
• 16:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing's going to go away.
• 16:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: All the old testament stuff is still true.
• 16:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Until everything is accomplished, right?
• 16:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 16:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which if you ask most Christians, it hasn't been accomplished.
• 16:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Great.
• 16:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that would indicate to me that everything's still based on Jesus' red fucking words, everything still applies from the... everything still applies from the old testament.
• 16:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think when he dies though, that's when it changes, but I don't know.
• 16:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: So then, so that everything was accomplished when he dies?
• 16:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 16:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just telling you.
• 16:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like, this, this, that's very vague as to what it would be like.
• 16:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so as, as Jesus is walking around though, Jewish law still applies, okay?
• 17:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's, are we in agreement?
• 17:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 17:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Jewish law still applies.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, okay.
• 17:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Do not think I have come to abolish the law of the profits.
• 17:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them.
• 17:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: For truly, I tell you until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen will by any means disappear from the law until everything is accomplished.
• 17:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 17:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: So every jot in total.
• 17:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 17:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I still want to know what that like bad definition matters.
• 17:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's very much.
• 17:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Therefore, anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven.
• 17:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: But whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
• 17:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: The commands that he just gave as far as who is
• 17:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: thought to be better, like the ones, is he talking about what he just wrote or the profits and these commitments.
• 17:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 17:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
• 17:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: These commands that I'm telling you.
• 17:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
• 18:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
• 18:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: So you better be good.
• 18:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Better be in the safe.
• 18:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Whoa, somebody's coming.
• 18:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have heard he continues.
• 18:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
• 18:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is so long.
• 18:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he's going to bore much red.
• 18:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like it and it's hard to read when it's bad.
• 18:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: But he couldn't have been a different color honestly.
• 18:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: What color would you have preferred?
• 18:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Purple maybe.
• 18:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Purple.
• 18:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 18:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: You should put in a request for a purple Jesus word Bible.
• 18:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think the Christians will say somebody send you one.
• 18:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think the Christians will be excited to take on any suggestion from anything.
• 18:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, rightfully so to be fair.
• 18:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 18:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 18:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, why should they?
• 18:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 18:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Who am I?
• 18:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I feel like if you're a good Christian, you should be excited about answering our questions.
• 19:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And in our challenges, that's my theory, because when me over, wouldn't it be, wouldn't it be, wouldn't it be, wouldn't it be you to be the penultimate Christian?
• 19:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, that's the wrong word.
• 19:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, yeah, the ultimate, the ultimate Christian.
• 19:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if you were able to counter every question that we throw up here in our podcast.
• 19:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: When that wouldn't that make you the best slash better question?
• 19:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: You'd be like the super hero Christian if you were able to like convince us to cross over.
• 19:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you could, like, I'm not saying that you even have to convince us to cross over.
• 19:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: But like if you, if you took it upon yourselves to instead of running away from the questions that we have, confront them and answer them, answer them and good faith, not just the, it's not ours to know when you're asking within a gender like, no, no, no, don't hand wave him.
• 19:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 19:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's not good writing and that's not good debate skills.
• 20:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 20:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's.
• 20:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 20:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're taking a 2,000 year old text and we're asking questions about why we should find it legitimate.
• 20:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 20:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: You should at least be able to answer those questions because it's not, you're saying Jesus wrote this.
• 20:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: The red of the ink says that Jesus wrote this said this, but why should I even believe that?
• 20:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 20:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like what about this?
• 20:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Should I, why should I take that at faith that, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, face value?
• 20:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 20:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 20:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, you have heard that it was said, the hold on, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, you shall not murder anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.
• 20:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment.
• 20:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Damn, you don't have to murder, you have to be angry and you're going to be judged.
• 20:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've been angry with so many people.
• 20:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I have murdered him.
• 20:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I guess I'm going to hell again.
• 21:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Anyone who says to a brother or sister, Raka, I'm not sure what that is.
• 21:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's a Q&A.
• 21:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
• 21:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's a note there.
• 21:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is answerable to the court.
• 21:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Don't don't go around saying, Raka, don't say Raka to your brother and sister.
• 21:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: And anyone who says, we'll be in danger of the fire of hell.
• 21:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Did I read that correctly?
• 21:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I did.
• 21:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Very much did.
• 21:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 21:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that was the right way to do that.
• 21:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was perfect.
• 21:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 21:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 21:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: So don't be saying that.
• 21:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: No.
• 21:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely.
• 21:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely don't say that.
• 21:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: You are in danger of the fire of hell if you say that.
• 21:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 21:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, I guess I'm going to hell.
• 21:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 21:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: And for the more almost everybody I know.
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've also said, you boom.
• 21:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, fool, boo.
• 21:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, I feel like there's no one I know that could live up to this.
• 22:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Nope.
• 22:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: At least what he's pitching right now.
• 22:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's in danger of hell.
• 22:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Love it.
• 22:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 22:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there, remember that your brother or sister has something against you, leave your gift there in front of the altar.
• 22:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, don't go away, like, don't take your gift back.
• 22:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Leave it.
• 22:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 22:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: First, go and be reconciled to them.
• 22:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Then, come and offer your gift.
• 22:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: But just put your gift down.
• 22:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're still going to take your gift.
• 22:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: All gifts work here.
• 22:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I thought they said the first recon style.
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but leave your gift there in front of the altar, so don't put it on the altar, but leave it at the old.
• 22:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
• 22:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, don't don't go away with it down near the altar.
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: That way if just in case you don't come back, if they murder you when they go, when you go to the recon style, we still don't have your gift.
• 22:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 22:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 22:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's no returns on gifts.
• 22:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: You, you still have to.
• 22:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 22:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is talking you to, I'm sorry, who is taking you to court So I don't matter quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court.
• 23:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: So definitely got to use an arbitrator.
• 23:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah or whatever yeah
• 23:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: do it while you are still together on the way or your adversary may hand you over to the judge and the judge may hand you over to the officer and you may be thrown into prison.
• 23:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: How do we get to human judgment here?
• 23:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like where are we giving a shit about it?
• 23:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: You bet a reconciles and it's about the Lord.
• 23:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're on reconciles, shit.
• 23:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Why?
• 23:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't give a shit about human judgment.
• 23:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to know about this, this has to do with your soul and you're after like that seems way more important than at whether or not you go to jail over that.
• 23:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: But that's what we're paying.
• 23:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: But that's based on how you behave in life.
• 23:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: So reconciles with your brothers and sisters.
• 23:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 23:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 23:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm assuming by brother and sister they mean people.
• 23:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: People.
• 23:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 23:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: In your life.
• 23:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 23:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so you got to reconcile with them so that your soul can go to heaven.
• 24:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 24:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise, you're in danger of the fires of hell.
• 24:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 24:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Truly, I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.
• 24:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Damn.
• 24:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Pay your fucking bill and be good to your neighbors.
• 24:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I see.
• 24:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 24:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have heard that it was said you shall not commit adultery.
• 24:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, fuck.
• 24:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
• 24:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, I see.
• 24:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, I've looked at people lustfully.
• 24:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
• 24:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm happily married.
• 24:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 24:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I have definitely said, oh my god, that guy is hot.
• 24:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Or that woman is gorgeous.
• 24:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't everybody have their list of people?
• 24:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like you're five.
• 24:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: And right, yeah, you have.
• 24:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was up.
• 24:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: But what was that that we were watching when they came up with?
• 24:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was on friends a long time ago.
• 24:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, it was a comedian.
• 25:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: And somebody in the audience said, you're on the, you're on my husband's list.
• 25:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I can't remember who it was.
• 25:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it was, it was that one girl, the comedian that you like.
• 25:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: That has a link to make sure that it's tailored.
• 25:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was that we don't like as much.
• 25:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: What?
• 25:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: The late night show that she started like it would have been a quiz show.
• 25:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's Taylor.
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't, I don't, she doesn't have a show.
• 25:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Taylor Tomlinson, she doesn't have that show anymore.
• 25:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, but I'm, it was just trying to remember who it was.
• 25:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I still love her.
• 25:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 25:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, but it sounded like you were saying you didn't, we didn't like her anymore.
• 25:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, that's not what I was saying at all.
• 25:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but that's what it sounded like you were saying.
• 25:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Why apologitated if that's the way it was.
• 25:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, we still love Taylor Tomlinson.
• 25:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: We just didn't love her show.
• 25:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but she's great.
• 25:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: She's on a lot of people's lists.
• 25:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: She could be on your list.
• 25:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I approve of that.
• 25:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: She's on my list.
• 25:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
• 25:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so yeah, we're going to burn in hell.
• 25:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 25:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 25:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 25:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see.
• 25:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, you've already committed adultery with her in his heart.
• 26:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you're right, I cause as you to stumble, goug it out and throw it away.
• 26:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, shit, fuck you.
• 26:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you looked at it, and your eye keeps roaming, you just poke your fucking eye out.
• 26:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: But don't you already commit the sin, so you're already fucked.
• 26:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you could, you could, say, sorry, probably if it gets right out of parallel.
• 26:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 26:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
• 26:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
• 26:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's my fault.
• 26:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not my fault.
• 26:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, I did it.
• 26:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
• 26:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you, you already did the looking.
• 26:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, my, I did the looking.
• 26:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I, it's not my fault.
• 26:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: My, I did it.
• 26:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm getting rid of my eye.
• 26:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm good.
• 26:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: That is the dumbest solution to a problem.
• 26:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think I've ever heard uttered.
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously it's supposed to be my fault.
• 26:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know what it's supposed to be.
• 26:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: If your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away is better for you to lose one part of your body than your whole body to go into hell.
• 27:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure people would take this metaphorically.
• 27:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: They don't.
• 27:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying the scene is very, a little much like he's indicating that if he's fuck up, you lose bits of your body.
• 27:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: But what's interesting is that everybody likes to apply it to other people and not themselves.
• 27:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 27:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Whereas I'm looking at it as, oh, I have to apply this to myself.
• 27:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Shit, I'm fucked.
• 27:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: But that's the way I'm looking at it, right?
• 27:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 27:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh no, these rules apply to me.
• 27:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: I have to follow all these rules.
• 27:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I have already messed up all of them.
• 27:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just listening to this and thinking, this is the nice Jesus that we think we know about.
• 27:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it sounds more like he's like, this is a hardcore shit, like you're losing eyes and hands and all kind of shit for some stupid crap.
• 27:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, but...
• 27:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: they don't like adultery no one does but she don't lose a fucking eyeball over it just for looking to somebody you said nobody does you don't think you speak for everybody some people do like adultery okay whatever it doesn't it doesn't no one likes it done to them for sure no that's right nobody likes to be cheated on so society in general decided that we don't like it it's generally not like
• 28:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: And which is hold on, I just want to put out there that we are not saying that engaging in relationships with multiple partners is a bad thing altogether like as long as everybody is consenting like I have no beef with poly relationships.
• 28:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't give a shit what you do.
• 28:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you deserve to lose your right fucking eye over Right, no, I just want to make sure for any new listeners that might have like only picked up when we started the new testament I want everybody on board to know that I'm not here to judge what kind of relationships that you have or
• 28:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, like I don't want to advocate just for like one-on-one relationships if you're in a poly relationship, that that's between, as long as everybody's consenting adults and safe.
• 29:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 29:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I say, coming APS, we don't judge you and also you won't lose hands or eyeballs.
• 29:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, that is true.
• 29:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is a great sales pitch.
• 29:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: You don't lose your eye.
• 29:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, no, I lost.
• 29:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: You'll put your eye out.
• 29:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God, make the case for the Christmas story to be a metaphorical Christian story.
• 29:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: What?
• 29:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the Christmas story, like, you know, with the kid, you know, he wants the gun the whole movement.
• 29:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: You'll put your eye out.
• 29:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 29:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: What if that's like supposed to be,
• 29:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: His dad looks at a woman or I don't know either.
• 29:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like you'll put your eye out, you know?
• 29:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 29:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Don't put your eye out.
• 30:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they would have the kid committing adultery.
• 30:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: So no, you're not getting what I'm saying.
• 30:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: analogy like Symbolism.
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what is the symbolism?
• 30:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know anyway.
• 30:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like don't fuck up or you lose your eye Okay, you know he listed after the gun and then Okay, all right got his eye Anyway, okay It has been said anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce
• 30:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: So you can divorce your wife, okay?
• 30:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just make sure you give her the certificate.
• 30:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's been a question at points in time in history.
• 30:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: But Jesus, not all that long ago, but actually there are several people trying to pass bills that women are not allowed to divorce their husbands.
• 30:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
• 30:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 30:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: It did specifically say men.
• 30:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 30:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I did not say women could divorce.
• 30:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right in that that's to you.
• 30:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so the first can be allowed but only if the man says it's okay, men are still in charge.
• 31:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife except for sexual immorality makes her the victim of adultery and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
• 31:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
• 31:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which then you don't get a heaven and you might lose an eyeball.
• 31:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay.
• 31:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right Women never get it good.
• 31:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're always on the bottom of everything
• 31:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.
• 31:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Fair enough.
• 31:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I tell you, do not swear on oath at all, either by heaven for it is God's throne, or by the earth for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem for it is the city of the Great King.
• 31:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: And, oh, this is where we get the don't swear.
• 31:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
• 32:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Don't take Scott's name in vain.
• 32:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: But a lot of people are like, yeah, don't swear.
• 32:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Don't say cuss words.
• 32:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, no, they swear doesn't mean cuss words in this sentence.
• 32:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Where doesn't mean cuss words?
• 32:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Where means making false promises.
• 32:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and more than that cuss words change from generation to generation.
• 32:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like saying cool used to be a cuss word.
• 32:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, it was slang.
• 32:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was slang for sure.
• 32:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and so it was frowned upon.
• 32:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: It definitely you okay.
• 32:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: You could have gotten trouble.
• 32:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: You could have got your mouth washed out.
• 32:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: That makes it, you know, not good.
• 32:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 32:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 32:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 32:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I suppose and like there's, there's other things like in America, like, Count is a very horrible horrible word, like we don't say, count, but like in parts of the UK.
• 32:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love it when they say the word count.
• 32:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you're kidding.
• 32:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 32:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's the best.
• 32:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like part of like, it's still a cussword, but it doesn't have the emotional baggage that it seems to have here in America.
• 33:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, definitely.
• 33:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, I mean, it's like saying shit.
• 33:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Or like, hey, asshole, you know, like, hey, your cons perfect.
• 33:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's perfect.
• 33:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 33:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: But over here, it's like, oh, you said they'll see.
• 33:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, yes, yes, I did.
• 33:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't have beef with it.
• 33:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 33:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: But a lot, a lot of,
• 33:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: women don't like it and I'm like why.
• 33:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: One of my favorite clips is George Carlin's seven thing seven words you can't say.
• 33:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember how it all goes but like it's one of my favorite content on that.
• 33:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: We all miss George Carlin.
• 33:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: We too.
• 33:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: We too.
• 33:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, so carrying on, again, you have heard it, that it was said to the people long ago, do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.
• 33:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is God's throne, or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King.
• 34:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair wider black.
• 34:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: all you need is to say simply yes or no anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
• 34:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 34:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he's saying don't make promises don't make ohs like you don't have to say yes I swear it's true.
• 34:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can't say I swear to God yeah I swear to my mother I can't swear I swear to my my my
• 34:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: be truthful and you don't have to worry about it.
• 34:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I swear to movie.
• 34:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 34:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 34:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: What's movie?
• 34:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think movie was from the dog, my movie.
• 34:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Movie?
• 34:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Wasn't it movie?
• 34:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what the...
• 34:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was the icon that they used in the movie, I believe.
• 34:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: The movie.
• 34:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Movie.
• 34:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I really have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, but that's okay.
• 34:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
• 34:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's okay.
• 34:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: So they're just seeing like, Jesus is just like, just be honest.
• 34:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to swear.
• 35:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 35:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: But...
• 35:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like a lot of people are like, it says in the Bible don't swear and they think that means cuss words and that annoys me.
• 35:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 35:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's not what don't swear there.
• 35:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's not what we mean.
• 35:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, in fact, most Christians I know swear swear to God, a lot or they swear to their hand on the Bible.
• 35:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 35:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 35:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: They swear on the Bible.
• 35:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 35:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: But Jesus said, don't be doing that.
• 35:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, thanks for sharing.
• 35:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was Moody.
• 35:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Moogie no that way no movie was quirk small It was moogie was quirk small It was moogie from that let me be dogma sorry
• 35:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Moogie was quirk's mom.
• 35:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, anyway, Jesus carries on.
• 35:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have heard that it was said, I for I and tooth for tooth.
• 35:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I never liked that.
• 35:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's vindictive and retribution.
• 35:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, yeah.
• 35:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway.
• 35:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about that meal test.
• 35:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
• 35:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's what he's referring to.
• 35:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: The whole test meant stuff.
• 35:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
• 35:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I tell you, do not resist an evil person.
• 35:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.
• 36:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: and turn the other cheek.
• 36:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 36:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.
• 36:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nice and the death.
• 36:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 36:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles.
• 36:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Give to the one who asks you and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
• 36:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's saying just always be giving, always be forgiving.
• 36:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I find that
• 36:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I find that terrible advice, because I'm going to qualify, and it's not terrible advice because it's kind of how most poor people that I know live their lives, they are willing to give you the shirt off their backs, they're willing to do all the things they need to do, right?
• 36:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's generally people that understand
• 36:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: each other's plates or the ones that are having a hard time.
• 36:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you get bigger tips from poor people than rich.
• 37:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they are willing to go that extra mile for people generally, right?
• 37:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: But by the same token, it's the richest who run everything about our lives and how we have to live them because they control everything in this world.
• 37:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they don't fucking give us shit about you.
• 37:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: But that's who he, that's exactly who he's preaching to.
• 37:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 37:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: The rich people.
• 37:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: And by just telling.
• 37:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: But he's telling the rich people stop being selfish assholes turn the other fucking cheap.
• 37:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and obviously the threat of hell has not stopped them from doing it in 2000 years.
• 37:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: So no, it's only I don't feel like that's a good threat.
• 37:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, but you said it's a terrible lesson.
• 37:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's a terrible lesson.
• 37:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that assholes are going to asshole.
• 37:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Assholes are going to asshole.
• 37:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you can't, you can't nice them to death.
• 37:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 37:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's kind of like Michelle Obama saying when they take the low road, we always take the high road.
• 37:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 37:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the Democrats are like losing the war, you know,
• 38:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: you have to, you have to play the same game that your opponent is playing.
• 38:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're not playing by the rules.
• 38:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can't play a game where the rules have been thrown in the fucking trash.
• 38:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 38:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can still live by the high road and be kind and be loving, but also not be a door mat.
• 38:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's finding that middle ground.
• 38:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: What if Jesus was had like,
• 38:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: massive donors telling him to go pitch this to the poor people of the world.
• 38:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Say, hey, just don't just don't worry about all these people that are trying to get over get one over any.
• 38:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: One of this was a Fox News campaign.
• 38:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: 2000 years ago.
• 38:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Probably.
• 38:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying.
• 38:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: But from what I understand, he was preaching to the rich people.
• 38:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right, but he'd be preaching it to the poor people to not worry about what they do to them.
• 39:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, and yes, he's preaching at the rich people, but the rich people ain't going to change.
• 39:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Rich people are still going to rich.
• 39:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right, but...
• 39:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's my understanding that he was teaching, he was trying to convince the rich people to stop being selfish bastards, stop being bad, stop being wrong.
• 39:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I understand, I understand that that's the same thing that Fox News would have he believed.
• 39:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 39:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
• 39:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's the same thing that people today would have you believe that they're trying to get the rich people to do their part and do that not be selfish and whatever, but the truth is they're always going to be.
• 39:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah.
• 39:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: So our humans involved, then it's going to suck.
• 39:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 39:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I've always said that.
• 39:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 39:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, love your enemies.
• 39:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Pray for those that persecute you.
• 39:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, wait.
• 39:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: You've heard it.
• 39:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have heard that it was said, love your neighbor and hate your enemy.
• 39:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you that you may be children of your father in heaven.
• 40:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: He causes his son to rise on the evil and the good.
• 40:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: his son, the son in the sky, not his baby boy and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
• 40:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you love those who love you, what reward will you get?
• 40:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: it's easy to love people that are kind to you.
• 40:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's more difficult for challenging to love people who are assholes.
• 40:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's fair.
• 40:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: That is fair.
• 40:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm not saying that the message is all that.
• 40:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying that in practice, it doesn't really pan out for people.
• 40:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.
• 40:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Are not even the tax collectors doing that?
• 40:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others?
• 40:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so.
• 40:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right, so you closed down and don't stop stop being your closed little church group where you're only talking to each other.
• 41:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: You need to spread out and be nice to everybody.
• 41:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Whether they're in your little club or not.
• 41:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's why the fuckers not going to go without on.
• 41:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, right.
• 41:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Do not even pay against do that.
• 41:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly father is perfect.
• 41:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: The end.
• 41:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just be perfect.
• 41:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just be perfect.
• 41:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you'll be fine.
• 41:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 41:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: No big deal.
• 41:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just be perfect.
• 41:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 41:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not that hard.
• 41:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: You might lose an eye or a hand, but, you know, just be perfect.
• 41:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Why can't you just be perfect?
• 41:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God.
• 41:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we don't ask for much, just perfection.
• 41:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't ask.
• 41:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: I only ask you to be my slave and to fear me.
• 41:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, look, the overall, it was a better message than we've heard from the Bible, right?
• 41:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot of good things in that speech.
• 41:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot of playcating people and selling, being done in the early on in that speech.
• 41:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: And there was a lot of not quite, there's a lot of semi-falts in it.
• 42:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like not completerisms and not complete, like,
• 42:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: it's just it's very vague it's as usual it's very vague as to what the expectations are.
• 42:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 42:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm still struggling with the message even though I like it better.
• 42:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a nicer message but it still comes down to
• 42:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: everybody just fucking be nice and do your shit and we still have slaves and women are still on the bottom.
• 42:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: And also beat your kids.
• 42:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 42:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 42:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 42:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's fine too.
• 42:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's fine to be a pedophile.
• 42:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: But only
• 42:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you keep it on the down low and as long as you're not in the adulterer, right.
• 42:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that that's too much.
• 42:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 42:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: But as long as we're not counting women and slaves as humans, it can't be counted as adulterer.
• 42:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 42:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 43:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 43:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because you're not.
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Are you anything wrong?
• 43:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's in another speech.
• 43:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: You never know.
• 43:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.
• 43:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Who knows?
• 43:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 43:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: But as of chapter five.
• 43:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 43:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: We haven't condemned those things yet.
• 43:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 43:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 43:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, well, that was Matthew chapter five.
• 43:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, it's fuck was.
• 43:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which means that our next episode is actually going to be a Q&A.
• 43:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Not on Saturday.
• 43:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll do it anyway.
• 43:28
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• 43:34
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• 43:36
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• 43:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: We'd love to see you.
• 43:39
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• 43:43
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• 43:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.
• 43:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we will see you next time.