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E137: The Fight Against Transing Children + News Roundup · The Lila Rose Show

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During the time that Tim Walz was governor, 5 infants were
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born alive after failed abortion attempts.
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None of these infants were giving life saving medical care.
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Instead, Tim Walz is letting them die in the state of
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Minnesota. That is his policy.
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We are dealing with the most pro abortion presidential ticket in
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American history. When you were separated from
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Sawyer and she had him for the first year of his life, how did
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you end up meeting him for the first time and what was that
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like? I remember I was just held him
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till he fell asleep and then he was sleeping next to me and I
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was just laying there on the floor and I remember just
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breaking down crying like I finally met my son.
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Hey guys, welcome back to the Lila Rose podcast.
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Today we're doing a news roundup.
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We haven't done one of those in a couple weeks and Oh my
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goodness, there is a ton of news to talk about.
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As you all know, Kamala Harris is now running for president, no
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longer VP. Now the president, she also has
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named her VP, Governor Tim Walz of Minnesota.
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We're going to talk about Kamala Harris record on abortion.
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I think it's essential that you know about it.
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We also were talking about some news coming out of California
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recently. Governor Gavin Newsom signed a
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bill into law in California that prohibits schools from telling
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parents if their child, including their young child,
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thinks that they are transgender.
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Yes, now there's this right to privacy for little kids.
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If they go to school, the school has to affirm their chosen
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gender identity and the parents may have no clue.
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And lastly, we talked with Harrison Tinsley who shares
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about his custody battle for his son fighting an ex who was
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trying to trans his young child. All this and more on today's
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episode of the Lila Rose Podcast.
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delivered. So I've been tracking
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presidential elections now for probably the last 15 years and I
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remember back when Biden and Obama were running for
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president. I remember talking about their
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platform and how it was at the time the most pro abortion
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platform in American history. President Obama, when he was
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then a state senator, would actually vote several times
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against the Born Alive Infants Protection Act.
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He was so pro abortion that then State Senator Obama didn't even
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want children who survived abortion attempts in his state
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to receive life saving medical care.
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That's how pro abortion he was. And Biden, when he joined
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Obama's ticket together, their platform was to be against any
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abortion restriction. So they wanted to repeal any
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abortion restriction and enshrine abortion demand for any
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reason. So it was pretty extreme,
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especially when he was up against a candidate who said
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that he was pro-life at the time.
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It was John McCain, as you guys remember.
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And of course, we ended up with years of President Barack Obama.
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Under President Obama's leadership, the money to Planned
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Parenthood increased and he had multiple visits, in fact, dozens
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of visits from Planned Parenthood's leadership coming
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to the White House to get special privileges.
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Now this is all of course horrific, but what are we
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dealing with today? The reality is, and I hate to
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say this, but the reality is the current Kamala Harris and Tim
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Walz ticket is even more pro abortion than the Biden Obama
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ticket. We are dealing with the most pro
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abortion presidential ticket in American history.
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Now, what does that mean? What does that look like
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concrete with concretely with the policies?
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Well, it's one thing to do policy.
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It's another thing to signal what you believe to voters and
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have some sort of a moral leadership presentation to other
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people about what you say that you care about and you believe.
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I want to start with that. So Tim Walz was recently
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announced as the VP pick for Kamala Harris.
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This is an example of what Tim Walz has to say.
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And my record is so pro-choice. Nancy Pelosi asked me if I
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should tone it down. I stand with Planned Parenthood
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and we won. There's Tim Walz, governor of
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Minnesota, saying that even Nancy Pelosi, who's very pro
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abortion, mind you, she's so pro abortion that she her own
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Bishop, her Archbishop in San Francisco, said she can't
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receive Holy Communion because she is So for abortion.
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Even Nancy Pelosi told Governor Tim Walz to tone it down because
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he's such a zealot in support of abortion.
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As governor of Minnesota, Tim Walz expanded abortion to the
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point where abortion on demand is permitted through all nine
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months of pregnancy for any reason.
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But it gets worse. During the time that Tim Walz
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was governor, 5 infants were born alive after failed abortion
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attempts. None of these infants were
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giving life saving medical care. All of them were left to die.
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These are infants that were born alive.
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They were viable, they were born alive and they were left to die.
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Of course, people might say, well these babies were probably
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very sick anyways. They would have died anyways.
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The reality is even those that are sick and may be dying
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deserve comfort care, deserve medical care, deserve life
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saving care if their lives can be saved.
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If a child gets a terrible disease, they get cancer, we
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still fight for their life. We still try to protect them.
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If they have a disability, we still try to work alongside
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their disability to protect them, to care for them.
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But that's not what is being offered to babies born alive
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after abortion attempts. Instead, Tim Walls is letting
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them die in the state of Minnesota.
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That is his policy. And here's the reality, baby
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babies that survive abortion attempt some of them, if they're
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given the care that they deserve because that's their human
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right, their right to life, they go on to live long lives.
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As an example, Gianna Jessen, who is a friend of mine,
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somebody that life action my organization has worked with to
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tell her story. She was born alive after a
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failed abortion attempt in a Planned Parenthood in Los
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Angeles and a nurse in the clinic had pity on her and mercy
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on her and whisked her away to provide her life saving medical
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care. She is now in her 40s, is
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traveling the world to advocate for the rights of all children.
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Imagine if instead of being whisked away and being given
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life saving care, Gianna was just left to die in that
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abortion clinic. The reality is, these are human
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beings. They deserve the right to life
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and they deserve medical care as a very basic standard of the
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treatment, the way we should treat preborn and born lives.
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And that's not, unfortunately, what Governor Walls wants.
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So I think the difference here is President Obama was a state
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senator. He didn't have much power.
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He had some. Governor Tim Walz has had the
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power of being the lead executive in the state of
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Minnesota. And he shows you, he has shown
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you what he will do with that power when it comes to abortion.
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And it's very scary. And it should concern any voter
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who's contemplating how they're going to vote in November.
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In addition, I want to talk about Kamala Harris.
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Kamala Harris is a particularly unique candidate in my view
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because she's not only radically pro abortion like Obama was,
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like a Biden is. She's not only for removing any
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abortion restriction and limitation.
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She wants full rights or choice for any woman to have an
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abortion at any point in pregnancy for any reason.
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But it's one step more with Kamala Harris because Kamala
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Harris, again, a proven track record here, has shown that not
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only is she radically pro abortion, not only is she
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somebody who's going to do whatever Planned Parenthood
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wants her to do, she is someone who's going to use her power to
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go after those that disagree with her, her political
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opponents. What does this look like?
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What does this mean? Let's look at her track record
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when she served as the Attorney general of the state of
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California. Kamala Harris was the AG of
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California. She used her power to trample
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the First Amendment rights of the investigative reporters
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David Daleiden and Sandra Mayor, two people I consider friends.
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David Daleiden and Sandra had exposed the sale of baby body
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parts at abortion clinics, including Planned Parenthood.
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They had actually gotten undercover footage sitting down
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in restaurants going to conferences, showing Planned
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Parenthood talking about how they would sell the body parts
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of the children that they savagely murdered.
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Take a lesson. So I say, OK, what are your what
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are you looking to supply today? Doctor Deborah Nukatola, Planned
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Parenthood's director of medical services, an abortion provider,
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discussing how to collect body parts from aborted fetuses,
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over. Lunch at a California
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restaurant, so. I'm not going to crush that far.
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I'm going to basically rush below.
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I'm going to crush above and I'm going to see that get out of
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attack, for example. So I had eight cases yesterday.
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I knew exactly what we needed and I kind of looked at the list
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and I said, all right, this 17 meter has a fan.
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I knew which were the cases that were probably more likely to
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feel what we needed. And I made my decisions
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according to that too. So it's worth having a huddle at
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the beginning of the day. And that's what I do I.
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Think the per item thing works a little better just because we
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can see how much we can. Get out of it.
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I always try and keep the trunk intact just just by function of
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always trying to aim. For the spine to bring it down.
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Now, there's one thing here. This is illegal.
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Thankfully, it's still illegal to traffic baby body parts.
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It's against federal law. The reality is Planned
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Parenthood is killing babies. That should be illegal.
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Unfortunately, it's not. Tragically it's not.
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We're working to change that. But then in addition, they're
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selling the body parts of the babies that they kill and then
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they go on to break that law. That's a federal law that
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they're breaking. When David and Sandra expose
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this, what should have happened in California, if there's any
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justice, is the attorney general of California should have gone
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after Planned Parenthood and the federal federal authorities
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should have gone after Planned Parenthood for their illicit
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activities. But instead, what did Kamala
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Harris do as AG? She went after David Daleiden.
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She actually sent state agents to David Daleiden's apartment at
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the time in Orange County with guns drawn to raid his apartment
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and to steal. I say steal because it was
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unjust to take his laptops and his hard drives, which had the
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footage of the of the sale of baby body parts on it.
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Why would she do this? Why would did Kamala Harris do
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this? Well, she's zealously pro
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abortion, but in addition, at the time she had a Senate
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campaign, she was running for the Senate and she was accepting
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money from Planned Parenthood for her Senate campaign.
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In fact, she was at Planned Parenthood event, Planned
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Parenthood events during the same time, raising awareness for
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her campaign and support for her campaign.
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In reality, what happened was that Planned Parenthood wanted
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Kamala Harris to go after the First Amendment rights of
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journalists who dared to expose the abortion industry and their
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heinous deeds, and Kamala Harris used her authority as Attorney
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General. Instead of going after the
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abortion clinics, killing babies, selling their body
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parts, committing all kinds of heinous acts, she went after the
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journalists who dared expose what the abortion clinics were
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doing. This is who we are dealing with
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as now the potential future president of the United States.
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Now look at what has happened under the Department of Justice.
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Even during the Biden Harris administration in the last four
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years, there have been several pro lifers who have been
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literally thrown into jail, into federal prison because of their
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pro-life advocacy. They've been charged with these
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trumped up charges through the FACE Act, saying that because
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they advocated and did civil disobedience and protest,
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peaceful protest at abortion clinics, not only will they get
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penalized for that, but they'll get additional penalties,
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federal penalties and felonies, which could lead to years in
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federal prison because they were collaborating to stop abortions
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happening at these clinics. So they're adding on these extra
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penalties for these brave activists like Joan Bell and
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Lauren Handy. 78 year old Joan Bell is a grandma and a mother,
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a loving, prayerful woman who was doing White Rose rescues,
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Lauren Handy as a young woman who was doing White Rose
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rescues, to try to peacefully use their bodies to stop the
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abortionists from coming in to kill these babies.
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But again, not only were they penalized for trespass and for
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blocking access in the clinic in that way, but they were also
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given additional federal penalties.
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And this is where the administration, the abiding
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administration, is going after them politically for doing that
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and slapping excessive charges on them to throw them in jail
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for years. Yes, that was Kamala Harris
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administration over the last four years, but imagine how much
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worse it could get when she used her role as AG to go after David
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Delighted and Sandra Mirror in California.
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You should also know about the legislation that Kamala Harris
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helped Co sponsor to unfairly target pregnancy resource
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centers. She wanted to go after pregnancy
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resource centers to get them to force them to advertise
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abortion, other clinics that do abortion to the patients that
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come in seeking material resource and free counseling.
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So she was so she's so pro abortion that she even wants
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your local pregnancy center, which is not getting government
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money. The abortion clinics, many of
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them get government money. Planned Parenthood gets over
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half of a billion dollars in government money, but she wants
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to force pregnancy centers to have to do abortion ads
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effectively in their facilities to push abortion even on the
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women seeking potentially life affirming options and help for
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their pregnancies. So we are dealing with the most
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pro abortion ticket, I hate to say this in American history.
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We're going to be talking about this more in the podcast, but I
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wanted to make sure we included these facts for you in the news
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roundup so that you knew what we're dealing with when it comes
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to the Kamala Harris and the Tim Walz ticket.
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And another news item that you have to know about, especially
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for those tracking California politics or who live in
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California. As you guys know, I'm in
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California. Governor Gavin Newsom just
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signed a law into effect a few weeks ago that would make it so
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that any school administrator or teacher is not allowed in
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certain circumstances to even tell parents whether or not
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their student might be struggling with gender identity.
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So what this looks like practically is if a student goes
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to school and maybe they're eight years old or maybe they're
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preteen and they're struggling with their identity, which by
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the way, is a totally normal thing for many preteens to go
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through. They're going through puberty or
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maybe they have a mental health issue or mental health
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struggles. And if they are struggling with
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their gender identity and they express it in any way to the
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teacher, to school administration, or maybe the
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teacher is an activist in his pushing that on the kids, the
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parents by law cannot necessarily be notified.
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So currently, if you have a student that goes to school,
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they take an Advil, they have issues with their behavior,
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bullying, or they are a bully, they go to the principal's
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office, whatever it is, if there's an issue, a mental
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health issue that is detected that the child might have, the
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parents need to be notified because the parents have
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responsibility to care for their child.
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That's their job and that's what they want to do.
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But now if the child is struggling with gender identity
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or the teacher thinks the child is struggling with gender
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identity, they can now keep this a secret from parents.
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So parents won't even know that maybe their child is going to
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school. Some activist teacher is putting
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a helping them put on a dress if they're a boy or opposite gender
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clothing if they're a girl, and then encouraging them using
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pronouns like they, them or she, her, depending on what the child
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thinks. And then the parents have no
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idea this is happening. So the whole school is required
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to keep this a secret from the parents.
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This law was called the Safety Act, which is of course a
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misnomer, claiming this is going to make kids more safe.
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No, this is more dangerous for kids because now the people that
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are responsible for them, that love them the most can actually
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help them and guide them and be there for them, their own
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parents. The reality is that Governor
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Newsom is very much pushed by and controlled by, I would say
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not just the abortion lobby, but the LGBTQ plus.
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I lobby in the state of California.
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And so he's often just signing legislation for whatever they
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want. And of course they want this
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because there's often as a push to separate parents from their
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kids who know them best, usually love them best, in order for the
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child to be at the whims of whatever the gender activist or
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ideology is being pushed at that.
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School. One other NEWS UPDATE that has
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some positivity to it. I know this is kind of been a
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heavy 1 today guys, is a conversation that I had recently
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with Harrison Tinsley, who's a father from Northern California.
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He actually recently won his custody battle.
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So he became big in the news over the last year when he was
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sharing about how he was in a custody battle for his then
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three-year old, 2 year old son Sawyer with an ex who wanted to
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transgender or make them non binary.
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The child is a little boy make the boy non binary.
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So according to the court documents, this mother would try
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to trans the boy. She'd put girls clothes on him
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so he couldn't take rides at Disney when they went to Disney
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unless you wore Princess shoes. Glitter themed birthday parties
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pushing her agenda at the time, which is her ideology on this
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child. Harrison of course had the
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father was fighting for custody and finally he has just won
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custody. I think it's important to share
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Harrison's story. Well it's in some ways a success
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story for Harrison winning custody.
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The reality is the reason that he one custody in California
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isn't because the ex was trying to trans her son, but because
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the ex had other issues that she was struggling with.
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This detail is important because the reality is the fight is on
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more than ever in California and across the country.
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Because there is still gender ideology gripping this mind
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virus. Gripping the minds of many in
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the medical profession, Many in our political system who are
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thinking that a young child can choose their gender, decide
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their gender. And then it is up for medical
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professionals and parents to endlessly affirm, even to the
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point of giving life altering hormone drugs, doing life
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altering surgeries, things that can be devastating to the child
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Harrison Tinsley, thanks so much for joining the podcast.
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Thank you so much for having me. It's the dream come true.
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So we just found out before sitting down that we're both
20:25
from San Jose, basically San Jose.
20:28
Yeah, San Jose, CA Great place to go up.
20:30
I think I got the last golden age of it.
20:34
Yeah, that's kind of true. Like it's meaning it's going
20:36
kind of downhill right now. Well, I'm, I'm just kind of, I
20:39
meant more so even just the before social media, yeah, cell
20:43
phones more so. Meaning we were the last, the
20:46
last generation before the chaos of social media.
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You and me. Yeah.
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Yeah, That's kind of true. And then we have some stuff in
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common, too. We both went to West Valley
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College at one point. Yeah.
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Love that. Good old days.
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So you've all you're all over the news right now, Harrison and
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some people listening probably know some of your story or maybe
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this is the first time they're hearing.
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So I want to start with what the news story is right now.
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And then I want to go backwards in time to where you got to
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where you are today. So what are can you tell us
21:14
about the the headline, some of the headline news that you've
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been caught up in in just the last few weeks?
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I finally saved Sawyer and I have full custody of them.
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It's a miracle. I'm just so unbelievably
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grateful, and you can just never imagine the way God works in
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your life and how things pan out.
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But it's just so wonderful to feel that I have that control,
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that He's safe. So Sawyer is how old?
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He's 4 1/2 years old. He's 4 1/2 years old, super
21:42
cute, and you have full custody. And tell us more about this
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custody battle that you were in and what, what, what, what was
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what was it over? Give us some of the background
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on it. Well, it goes way back to all
21:52
the way to pregnancy. I was dating a girl in the Bay
21:55
Area and she got pregnant shortly into our relationship
21:59
and thankfully she wanted to have him and we both went to
22:03
doctor's appointments together. We found out it was a boy.
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We were both super stoked upon that.
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We came up with the name Sawyer together, wonderful name.
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And we just had this, like, political disagreement.
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And essentially it seemed like she couldn't get over that.
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And it was always used against me.
22:20
I was just threatened daily that like, oh, you're not going to
22:22
see Sawyer if this or that over political stuff.
22:26
And she'd bring up questions like, oh, what would you do if
22:28
her kid was trans? And it just caused a lot of
22:31
tension. There was a post that when she
22:33
announced that everyone that she was pregnant on social media,
22:37
she said, baby Sawyer due in December.
22:39
I'll love you whether you're a boy or girl or neither.
22:41
So that was pretty concerning. And, you know, it just got
22:45
really hostile and she ended up, you know, keeping him from me.
22:49
She broke up with me, sent me a cease and desist letter, which I
22:53
respected. And I found out he was born
22:55
about one week after from social media.
22:58
And I filed in court two months later.
23:01
And it took 13 more months just to meet him.
23:05
So I'd never got to hold him, look in his eyes, touch him for
23:10
15 months of his life. And that was an extreme
23:14
heartbreak that I can't really describe, but I try to look at
23:18
it as making me a stronger, better man for what was to come
23:22
next in life and to be a better dad for him.
23:25
When you said you were just in disagreement about politics, you
23:28
mentioned that she was already, you know, making making notes
23:33
even on social media about whether or not he's a boy or a
23:35
girl, even though it was a boy, obviously he's a boy.
23:38
What were some of the other things that she seemed really
23:40
offended about with your, she said, your political views?
23:44
But we just disagreed on many of the main topics like abortion,
23:47
guns and transgender rights, things like that.
23:51
So because you were, as an example, pro-life, you were
23:54
against abortion. She wanted you to not see your
23:58
son when he was born. Well, I obviously, I can't speak
24:00
for her and I don't really know what's in our heart and mind
24:04
during all of this, but it sure seemed like it was politically
24:07
motivated. Yeah.
24:09
And then when you were separated from Sawyer and she had him for
24:14
the first year of his life, how did you end up meeting him for
24:16
the first time and what was that like?
24:18
Well, there was all sorts of stuff in court and emails
24:21
between attorneys, etcetera, and me just anxiously fighting for
24:25
him and waiting and waiting and waiting.
24:26
And when I first met him, I remember just looking him in the
24:30
eyes and it just felt like pure miracle frequency, like all
24:34
through the air, just full of magic and love.
24:37
And I just felt like this connection immediately that I
24:40
can't really describe. It was just absolutely
24:44
miraculous feeling. And, you know, and I hugged him
24:48
and I remember I was spending this day with him.
24:51
They made the visits less fun in the very beginning.
24:53
Like there had to be someone there and they were like taking
24:56
notes on me. And but I remember I I got to
24:59
put him down for his nap time. And this whole time I had just
25:02
done my best to be strong and fight through all this.
25:04
And I remember I was just held him till he fell asleep and then
25:06
he was sleeping next to me and I was just laying there on the
25:09
floor. And I remember just breaking
25:11
down crying. Like I finally met my son.
25:14
Like I finally got to experience actually being a dad.
25:19
So during this time where you paying child support, but then
25:22
you weren't getting your rights to be able to have visitation
25:25
like what was the kind of law, the legal realities at this
25:28
time? At that exact time I finally got
25:31
visitation and it was established that I was his
25:32
father via DNA test, 99.9% accurate from DNA saliva sample.
25:40
And I was being I believe added to his birth certificate and
25:43
having his name changed to add my last name as well.
25:45
And I was starting a visitation with him.
25:48
And I fought through all these visits.
25:50
They got like less and less strict as time went on.
25:52
So then I was by myself with him and it was amazing.
25:56
And I moved to the Bay Area. I've been living in Tahoe.
26:00
And when I did that, I filed in court and I won half custody
26:03
almost immediately. And I'm extremely thankful for
26:06
that. But around that time also his
26:09
mom, she started to call him the day them and like post pictures
26:14
of him in dresses or like makeup and weird stuff like that.
26:18
How old was he at this point? Like a year and a half in
26:22
between a year and a half to two years old in that room.
26:24
And we had half custody and I, I filed for full custody and there
26:30
was also a bunch of little broken court orders, but you
26:32
know, that happens all the time in court.
26:34
So those are the, the main topics.
26:36
And then there's the other thing is she was arrested for a felony
26:40
child endangerment with Sawyer and placed on a 5150 hold.
26:43
And the police actually didn't even call me that night.
26:45
So I had half custody of Sawyer and I didn't even know that
26:49
happened. Where was Sawyer when she was in
26:51
jail? Right.
26:52
He went with her parents, but like they didn't have custody of
26:54
them. And I felt that was very
26:56
inappropriate that he, I wasn't called immediately to pick him
26:58
up. So I mean, I did everything I
27:01
could to sort of go after that, not being OK with the police and
27:06
stuff, but nothing ever came of it.
27:07
And then there was ACPS investigation and they did call
27:10
me, but when CPS called me, they said, oh, you have nothing to
27:13
worry about. Just had to look at Sawyer.
27:16
There was a misunderstanding and he fell off a bed.
27:18
And I was like, oh, OK. But I was smart enough to
27:22
request a copy of the, you know, police report.
27:26
And I got that. And then I ended up subsequently
27:29
getting the police body Cam footage, which was even crazier.
27:32
And my original motion for court was actually denied.
27:35
And I did a motion for reconsideration with the body
27:37
Cam footage added and it was accepted.
27:40
Motion for reconsideration is very low chances to get granted.
27:44
But we ended up having a four day trial about all of this and
27:47
it ended up actually being five days.
27:48
They gave us one more day. In spite of all of that, the
27:51
court decided to keep custody 5050 and they said that they
27:55
wouldn't rule on the gender thing.
27:56
And I thankfully they didn't rule with her.
27:58
Although Sawyer adamantly says he's a boy, from that time till
28:01
now, he's never once wavered from that.
28:03
He'll scream at you. I'm a boy, not a girl.
28:06
He has not bought into it one day, and I thank God for that.
28:09
I'm just so thankful that I was there to guide him and I got
28:11
there in time. So they decided to keep custody.
28:14
5050. I decided I was going to appeal
28:16
that. So I appealed it with my
28:18
attorney. I decided that I was going to
28:19
come out publicly and tell the world my story.
28:22
I felt like people needed to know, and I'm thankful to, you
28:26
know, Matt Walsh in The Daily Wire.
28:27
They broke my story and somehow it got a lot of traction and I
28:31
just sort of started doing every interview I could and going to
28:34
the Capitol and speaking about anti parent, anti family bills
28:38
in California that are crazy. Like AB957 was the one I was
28:42
trying to fight the most. And that was one saying that
28:45
family courts had to essentially give custody to the affirming
28:48
parent. I told them, OK, well, I'm going
28:50
to be the first one to get custody because Sawyer says he's
28:52
a boy, so I'm the affirming parent.
28:55
Yeah. And, but thankfully he knew some
28:58
vetoed that, but he unfortunately signed, you know,
29:02
AB1955. This year, what is AB1955 in
29:07
California that Gavin Newsom just signed?
29:09
Yeah, it's a bill where basically schools have to keep
29:12
secrets regarding gender. If their kids kids confused by
29:17
gender, thinks they're a boy or girl or whatever fake thing they
29:20
have they're confusing kids with these days that they will have
29:23
to keep that secret from the parents and not tell the
29:25
parents. When you were starting to speak
29:30
out about your story. How did people.
29:32
Personally in your life and this is ongoing custody battle with
29:36
with Sawyers mom. How did people in your life
29:38
respond? The people closest to me were
29:41
all super supportive of me. I'm sure if you express their
29:44
doubts of me, like talking about it publicly.
29:47
But you know, my family is a very loving, supportive family
29:50
and I feel like, and so I have some really close friends and
29:53
relationships and I feel that everyone had my back.
29:56
Have you run into people like, you know, we're both from the
29:58
Bay Area. We know the Bay Area can be very
30:00
left wing, especially with like abortion and gender ideology.
30:04
There's some crazy stuff out there.
30:05
San Francisco obviously is known to be this, you know, very LGBTQ
30:09
plus I affirming place etcetera. What when you would talk with
30:14
just like, you know, meeting people in general in the
30:16
community of San Jose, Did you find people expressing support
30:21
for you or people more expressing distrust of you and
30:25
support for Sawyer's mom doing this transitioning of this two
30:28
year? Old.
30:29
Yeah, so I think San Jose is a much better place than San
30:31
Francisco. And I've actually yet to meet
30:33
anyone in San Jose, parents in particular, that support any of
30:37
this. Everyone I meet there completely
30:39
thinks that no secrets should be held from parents, that no kids
30:42
under 18 should transition or get any sort of surgery or
30:45
hormones in any way, and that no guys should be in girls, sports
30:50
or spaces at all. That's my actual reality living
30:53
there. I haven't yet to meet anyone who
30:55
supports it. I'm sure there's a few French
30:56
people that do, but literally the vast majority of people
30:59
there, Democrat, Republican, or otherwise, are all against it.
31:03
And I think we need to band together to protect kids and
31:07
protect life. Absolutely, yeah.
31:09
And that was that's been my experience.
31:10
I mean, I still visit San Jose regularly.
31:12
My folks are still there, many of them.
31:14
And yeah, they were every average day person I think out
31:18
there and I. Would say in.
31:19
California generally thinks that the gender ideology stuff has
31:22
gone way too far. It's crazy what we're doing to
31:25
kids. There are many people who are
31:26
pro-life or at least like amenable to some abortion
31:30
restrictions. They think that this abortion
31:31
through all nine months is insane.
31:33
And they seem to actually prefer family values.
31:36
They want family values. But you see the political agenda
31:39
in California so far left, it's out of touch with most of the
31:43
people here. It's completely out of touch.
31:45
I don't know who our representatives are
31:46
representing, but I think we need to start people having to
31:50
step up, run for, you know, Senate and Assembly and their
31:53
local districts and school boards and just speak out.
31:57
More people need to just be courageous and speak the truth.
31:59
I mean, you start to speak the truth, it opens up your soul
32:03
when you're when you're lying and when you're afraid to say
32:05
what you believe, you are weakening your soul.
32:08
And when you start to speak this truth and have courage, God
32:11
opens up your life in ways you just can't even imagine.
32:14
I mean, look at mine. I've now one full custody of
32:18
story. I've met all these incredible
32:19
people. I'm part of this movement and
32:21
this purpose of fighting for children and for life.
32:24
And people read the Bible and, and they watch Lord of the Rings
32:29
and Star Wars and they, they look back on World War 2 and the
32:33
Civil War and like, oh, I would have helped hide the Jews and I
32:37
would have brought the slaves to the north.
32:38
And I would have been on the the rebel side and Star Wars and I
32:42
would have helped destroy the ring and Lord of the Rings or
32:44
whatever. You have a chance right now.
32:47
This is the battle of our lifetime.
32:49
Children are the most amazing, vulnerable, innocent, deserving
32:53
of protection and love amongst us and our our battle is to
32:55
protect children from gender ideology and to protect
32:58
children's lives to keep them alive, to give them that chance.
33:02
And everyone like watching you have this chance right now to be
33:06
a part of something your World War 2 moment, whatever you want
33:09
to call it, it's right here. This this is children we're
33:12
talking about. I mean, this is just absolutely
33:15
ludicrous and everyone knows it. We can't put up with it anymore.
33:18
Like if your kids said they were a pirate, you wouldn't poke
33:21
their eye out and chop off their leg.
33:23
They said they wanted a tattoo, you wouldn't give them one.
33:26
If they wanted to drink alcohol, you wouldn't let them if if they
33:30
wanted to be spider man, you're not going to take them to tall
33:34
buildings and say OK, swing to the next one.
33:37
Jump. But for this one thing, we're
33:39
just pretending it's OK and going along with it.
33:42
And we need to stop lying and affirming delusions.
33:45
We need to tell the truth and just save the kids.
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your order. Why do you think we got to the
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place that we're at with all of the lies that are being told and
34:41
the confusion? I think we're here because of
34:44
lack of courage and people just being too afraid to say what
34:48
they believe and just going along with it.
34:50
I mean, that's how all the greatest atrocities in history
34:53
have happened, as everyone was too scared to speak up until it
34:55
came to their front door. Yeah, that as well as, like,
34:59
media and social media just pushing these ideas, trying to
35:02
make them seem bigger than they are, to spend instilling fear
35:05
inside of people to speak out against it and pretending that
35:08
they're the majority when they're not.
35:09
The majority of us know this is wrong and that we should protect
35:12
children, protect life, protect women, and hopefully this is the
35:17
moment in history where this shifts.
35:19
I really think we have the momentum, the high ground, and
35:23
this could be the moment where we stop this.
35:25
I mean, for sure in the next 10 years, I believe this will be
35:28
gone. You see, all these other
35:29
countries in Europe, etcetera are banning it and only Canada
35:33
and the US are moving forward it seems like.
35:36
And there is also some states here that have banned it.
35:39
And I'm thankful for that. But quite frankly, it's not
35:42
enough. We need more people to speak up.
35:43
We need legislation. We need to hold everyone
35:46
accountable. Who's ever mutilated a child,
35:48
They are not old enough to consent to sex, to surgery, to
35:52
hormones. And I'm sorry that it has to
35:56
come to that. But ultimately we cannot put up
35:58
with evil. We have to stand up to it.
36:00
It's such a good point on what you're saying that if they can't
36:03
consent to sex, obviously any kind of sexual activity with a
36:07
child is sexual abuse. It's horrific.
36:09
But why is it OK to for a child to consent to consent to having
36:14
their sexual organs removed or or adjusted or impacted through
36:19
medications when they're not too young to consent to sex?
36:22
Right. And you see D transitioners like
36:24
Chloe Cole, who's amazing, come out and tell their story.
36:27
How can you hear that and then still think it's a good idea to
36:30
do this? And there's there's way more
36:31
than just Chloe. There's, there's thousands of
36:34
kids in the same boat or adults now who regret it.
36:38
And it's just the evidence is so clear.
36:41
There's the cast files from UK, the West Path files coming out
36:44
of the United States. And we see that like these lies
36:46
told the parents to coerce them into doing it.
36:49
It happened to Elon Musk even, you know, you, you hear him tell
36:51
his story. And I'm so thankful that he's
36:53
going to move his businesses out of California over AB1955.
36:58
You know, that's just such a big, big move for someone with
37:02
so much power and influence to do something over a transgender
37:05
bill. But.
37:07
Are you planning to stay in California?
37:09
I think that California is savable and that the majority of
37:13
people here, like we discussed earlier, are against this and
37:16
want to live good lives, truthful lives, and have a safe
37:20
place for their kids. I totally agree.
37:22
That's, I think that it's a matter of like, honestly, media
37:25
in many ways and the power of social media to get the right
37:28
messages out there and create the right in a way air cover for
37:32
the right legislators and politicians to do the right
37:34
thing. Because right now, if you look
37:36
at most of media and entertainment media, it's so far
37:39
left. And so people think that's what
37:41
everyone thinks, even though the reality is most people are
37:43
pretty reasonable. They really want common sense.
37:46
They don't want these crazy ideologies.
37:49
And you're you're an example of what it looks like to fight even
37:54
when you're really faced with the thick of it.
37:56
I mean, this is your kid, your child that you had to fight
37:59
directly for. OK.
38:01
What happened next with your the mom of Sawyer?
38:05
So you're saying you're back to 5050 custody.
38:08
You're still fighting. It's escalating.
38:10
How did it go to full custody for you?
38:13
Well, she at one point was trying to get full custody from
38:15
you, right? Well, I mean, she just
38:17
originally had full custody and I believe it just sort of stayed
38:21
for half custody this whole time.
38:22
She didn't try to change it too much.
38:24
There was some small court disagreements during this time
38:28
that you're asking about, as well as my appeal ongoing to get
38:31
full custody and me thinking of any way of I can do anything to
38:34
save him. And one day I'm just laying
38:37
there and had a bunch of missed calls.
38:40
And I checked it and it was the San Francisco police and they're
38:42
telling me to pick up my son. It had been about an hour.
38:45
I'd missed these calls. I was spending time with my now
38:48
wife who's amazing and I met because of all of this.
38:51
Congratulations. So yeah, I'm so thankful for
38:54
that. It's like the most beautiful
38:56
love story and it just seems so divine how we met.
39:00
But yeah, so I called them back. I was like, I'll be there in one
39:04
hour. I'm leaving right now.
39:05
And I went and picked Sawyer up and I filed an ex parte the day
39:09
after. I believe it was that or the day
39:11
after that. I think it was the very next
39:13
day, though, with my attorney requesting temporary full
39:16
custody because of what had happened.
39:18
And, you know, that's why the police called me and she was
39:21
arrested for something like assault and battery and elder
39:26
abuse. Yeah.
39:27
I mean, I brought that to court. They denied.
39:29
My ex parte extremely shocked me and my attorney thought that.
39:33
They what does that mean? Deny your ex parte.
39:35
They denied it pending hearing, but essentially there's an ex
39:38
parte, there's an emergency custody order that the court has
39:40
to take upon immediately. And essentially they have to
39:43
take whatever you say is true. And now I'm not even sure that's
39:46
a good thing. That's not really aligned with
39:47
our justice system. But maybe it's good in some
39:50
sense for because kids are seriously in danger as long as
39:53
maybe if the parent lies, they're punished later for
39:55
lying. But essentially they take these
39:57
very seriously. And the court was told what
40:01
happened and the allegations and they didn't.
40:05
They denied it, which was shocking.
40:06
But thankfully CPS San Francisco, CA stepped up and
40:11
said that's OK, I'm not going to let him go back to her.
40:14
We're going to make sure he's safe and keep him with you for
40:17
the time being while we do our investigation.
40:19
I feel like I just got incredible CPS workers that
40:24
really cared about children and not about politics.
40:28
Yeah, they they put politics aside, though.
40:30
They did what's best for Sawyer and keeping him safe.
40:33
And they ended up coming to the conclusion that what's best for
40:37
Sawyer was to give me full physical and legal custody of
40:39
them. Me and my attorney were in
40:42
agreement with that. Sawyer's appointed attorney was
40:44
in agreement with that, and there was only mom and her
40:46
attorney that weren't. But we ended up settling it
40:48
before court and I now have full physical custody of Sawyer,
40:52
split legal custody, but with the decision making ability.
40:55
And then there's a bunch of safety precautions when his mom
40:58
gets to visit with him. Congratulations on getting full
41:01
custody and can only imagine what a relief that must be for
41:04
you. Yeah, thank you.
41:05
It's it's wild. A few things here.
41:09
So first of all, you got full custody, but the key the key
41:12
point here though is it wasn't anything to do with her
41:15
transing, trying to transition. You're now, he's now 4, Sawyer's
41:20
4, but it was more because of violence and her behavior that
41:26
disqualified her before CPS to continue to have custody.
41:29
So I bring that up because in the case that she wasn't being
41:33
violent, if in the case that a spouse or a parent is not, let's
41:36
just say, let me start that again.
41:38
In the case that a parent is not being violent, they're maybe not
41:41
abusing drugs or alcohol, but they're actively trying to
41:45
transition a three-year old and the other parent says this is
41:49
crazy, what are we doing right? Please stop.
41:52
What would happen to the best of your knowledge, based on the
41:55
current legal system and the court system in California, to a
41:59
couple like that? Is there any standing for the
42:01
parent that says please stop? Please stop transitioning a
42:03
three-year old? Basically, you're at the mercy
42:05
of the judge. I've had a lot of parents come
42:07
out to me. I'm part of that Army and our
42:09
duty. And unfortunately, there's cases
42:11
like Jeff Younger and Adam Vena where they aren't seeing that
42:14
their kid for that exact reason. And I think it's heartbreaking
42:17
it it's totally dependent on the judge.
42:19
There's basically no case law to my knowledge about this.
42:23
I did make it a point for that trial to bring up the gender
42:26
stuff. I did make it a point to bring
42:27
it up to CPS. But that didn't really.
42:30
Impact they. Didn't make an impact for them.
42:32
They were like, I, I hear you, man, but like, let's just stay
42:35
focused on her mental health and her violence.
42:38
What kind of impact did you see on Sawyer for what his mother
42:42
was trying to do with him in terms of transitioning him?
42:44
Can you share more about that? Yeah, he would get very upset
42:48
about it. He would tell me stories.
42:49
There was a time where she took him to Disneyland and he said
42:52
Dada. When I went to Disneyland, I
42:53
couldn't go on the rides unless I wore my Princess shoes.
42:56
And I didn't want to wear Princess shoes.
42:58
I wanted to wear boy shoes. And, you know, that was
43:00
heartbreaking. And I've just always done my
43:02
best to just tell him, like, you're a boy, I'm a boy.
43:04
We'll always be boys. Like, your grandpa's a boy, your
43:06
uncle's a boy, Kevin's a boy. All these people.
43:08
Right? And just like that can never
43:10
change. Like, don't you see how none of
43:12
us ever wear dresses or makeup? That's for a reason.
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Just I'm just so thankful that he, he knows he's a boy.
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I mean, if you even call him like girly, he'll just yell at
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you. I'm a boy, not a girl.
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So glad he has that rebellious spirit.
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He's a rebel and he just knows the truth and I just love him so
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much. I want him to be happy with who
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he is. So now that you have full
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custody of Sawyer, what does life look like for you guys?
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Now that I have forecast, your Sawyer life looks extremely
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optimistic and wonderful. And I just want to guide him,
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support him, love him, watch him grow, teach him things, have fun
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with him. Like we play all these sports
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like football and hockey and we ride motorcycles and we like
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fireworks and just all the coolest stuff ever that I'm so
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thankful my dad did with me. And I just try to do all these
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fun things with him and encourage him to grow and just
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try to teach him to be a good person and a good man and just
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instill values in him. And, you know, hopefully he'll
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have a larger family someday and he'll have his own family
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someday. And this will all be behind us.
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When you say hopefully he'll have a larger family, do you
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mean siblings? Yeah.
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That's awesome. Yeah.
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I'm as one of eight kids. Having siblings for me is like
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the best thing ever, especially as you get older.
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I'm one of four, so I totally agree.
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It's the best. What's your hope with your
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story, Harrison? What is your hope for what your
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story and the impact it can have in the world?
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I hope that my story can inspire other people to start to speak
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up about this, to start to speak what's in their mind and on
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their hearts, just to have courage.
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I hope that we can save kids. Hope we can save kids lives.
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I hope we can save kids from gender ideology.
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Hope we can start a movement to just draw a line in the sand and
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say no more. We're protecting kids no matter
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what. This stuff is wrong, we all know
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it. I hope that my story can just
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make the everyday person get off their couch and start to speak
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up. What are you planning to do in
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the future now that you've you've have custody of Sawyer?
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But now that you have won this victory, do you have plans for
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what you want to do? I mean, you're continuing to
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speak out, but do you have any other plans for what you want to
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do? I'm interested in starting a non
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profit to help kids battling through this.
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I think that that's something we're in need of.
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I think family courts are very flawed and I think that gender
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ideology should be nowhere near children.
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I am interested in just doing whatever it takes to ensure that
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we have a bright future for Sawyer and our grandkids and
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your kids. It's beautiful.
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Harrison, thank you so much for sharing your story and fighting
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for your son and being an inspiration to other people
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because I'm sure a lot of people have been encouraged by your
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example. Thank you so much for having me.
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Thanks so much for listening to this episode of the Lila Rose
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Podcast. We're going to be doing another
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news roundup soon. I will find some more positive
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news for you because this one was a heavy one.
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Please pray. Pray for the protection of all
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children born and unborn. Pray for this election.
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I mean, it is a tough one. We'll do another episode
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specifically on the different candidates beyond Kamala and
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Walls. But the reality is our country
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always is in need of your prayer, and it's always in need
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of you speaking the truth with love wherever you are, wherever
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you find yourself. I believe that if enough people
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pray and enough people live the truth and speak by the truth, we
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can change the face of the country.
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