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Catholic Conversations #185: Why Fulton Sheen Should Be a Saint Now — A Call to Action · Catholic Spirit Radio

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  Catholic Conversations on Catholic Spirit Radio. Hello and welcome, friends.
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  Let's start a conversation that matters.
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  This is Catholic Conversations on Catholic Spirit Radio. And today we're discussing
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  a topic that has inspired a heartfelt campaign.
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  My guest is Dr. Peter Howard, theologian and ardent promoter of the cause for
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  venerable Fulton Sheen.
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  Dr. Howard has authored a powerful open letter advocating for Sheen's canonization,
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  and he's here today to share why he believes Fulton Sheen's voice and witness
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  are so urgently needed in our time. Dr.
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  Howard, it is truly an honor to talk with you, you fantastic human. Welcome to the show.
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  Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be with you. Hey, as we begin the conversation,
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  there seems to be like a reawakening going on.
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  Many young people are seeking faith, and there seems to be a renewal interest
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  in Catholicism, kind of a revival.
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  Can you fill us in as we begin on this amazing man who was the first to use
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  media to reach the masses?
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  Sure. Well, you're right. There is a revival going on, and it's global, too.
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  I just returned to Ireland, and there's a lot of great things going on there,
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  especially in the North.
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  And I think that we
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  have a generation that I guess it
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  would be the Gen Z generation that is so purpose
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  oriented they've opened up to the realities of just kind of the failures that
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  we've had in leadership I would say on every level both in the secular arena
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  and politics and then of course within the church we have a crisis of leadership and so they're,
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  they find themselves in a void.
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  And so they're looking for things that are authentic and genuine.
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  And we see them having a strong reaction to that by pursuing the things in the
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  church and discovering the beauty of the treasures of the church as it applies
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  to the liturgy, the lives of saints, religious,
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  what it means to live a fully Catholic life.
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  So it's exciting to see that that's happening.
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  They just need, I'd say, a lot of support. And,
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  And I would say also direction, because the leaders that we should have,
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  you know, they're kind of leaving them hanging or confused.
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  They're kind of tired of confusion that's going on. And so it's interesting
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  how there is a pull to the discovery of Fulton Sheen because he was a voice
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  and an example of extreme clarity of what the faith taught,
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  how it applies to our daily human life, and really what it means to be,
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  to become. the great saints that we have.
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  Excellent, excellent point. And, you know, I was doing a little research on
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  Fulton Sheen when I knew I was going to have this conversation with you,
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  and it's very interesting to look at things on YouTube.
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  And just last night I was watching something, and I believe one of his talks
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  is called You Can't Build Down.
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  And I thought, oh, this must be AI.
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  Somebody has put this together with Fulton Sheen's, you know,
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  is, you know what I mean, with AI, and I thought, this can't be from the 1960s.
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  I mean, and it wasn't AI. It was real.
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  So, I mean, it was crazy to look at this and think that here's a gentleman that
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  reached 30 million people weekly before social media. I mean,
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  that's pretty fascinating.
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  Yes, it is. It's extraordinary how he was able to do that, you know,
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  but it's one of those things where,
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  The truth, and especially when the Holy Spirit is behind something,
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  the Holy Spirit always brings fire.
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  And he was really the bricklayer of the foundations that we now have,
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  because he was such a prophetic voice.
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  As you're pointing out, something he said in the 60s, if you didn't know who
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  he was, especially if you found a remastered version of it where it sounds clear,
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  you would be like, oh, where is this person today?
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  Let's be one to have him come out with a parish mission or something, or have him on a show.
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  But no, he's more relevant now than he was.
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  You know, and it's kind of interesting to think that if he does become a saint,
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  we'll be able to just go to YouTube and see what a saint is actually like.
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  You know, how did you get interested in Fulton Sheen?
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  I got interested in, gosh, this goes back almost 30 years now.
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  And I was in my mid-20s, or early 20s, I should say, not too long, right after college.
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  And I was in a period of my life of discernment, what did God want me to do?
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  And I spent a couple of years just starting the priesthood, and I was still
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  in the midst of that, and I took a personal retreat.
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  I was spending some time in Texas. My sister gave me this stack of cassette
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  tapes, and she said, this is a retreat series that changed my pastor's life.
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  And he was actually at this retreat given by Fulton Sheen here nearby in Dallas.
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  And so I was like, I heard of Fulton Sheen.
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  I was like, I wasn't really in the mood to probably listen to a whole series.
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  He said, well, just take it and see what the Holy Spirit does.
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  So I'm like, all right, I'll give him like 10 minutes to see if he captures me or not.
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  And it took about two minutes. Yeah. I put him in. It was, like I said,
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  it was a remastered series.
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  So it was, it was clearer than our conversation is right now.
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  So it was as if he was next to me in my three hour drive. Wow.
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  Speaking directly to me.
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  And I just felt like this is a man who speaks, like in the gospel,
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  who's this man who speaks with such authority?
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  I've had great teachers. I've gone to Franciscan University at that time.
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  I was already graduated.
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  Now I'm looking to do more things. And I'm like, this voice stands out.
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  And then he challenged me in every single way. And I knew by the end of that retreat,
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  that no matter what path God was going to call me to, that he was going to be
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  really central to my mission and to my own interior life, because he had some
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  things in there, especially the call from the daily daily hour,
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  that personally, it radically changed my life.
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  Wow. Wow. Did you, how did that lead you to start a foundation?
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  I I mean, what was the process from there?
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  What was the next step in your life that, you know, got you to the point where
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  you started the Fulton Sheen Institute? Sure. Well...
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  After that retreat, I said, you know, I need to give God a little bit of time.
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  And so I spent a year, I moved to Denver, spent a year with the community out there.
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  By the end of that year, it was clear to me that God wasn't calling me to the priesthood.
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  Kind of a bit surprising, but he used everything to supercharge the next phase.
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  And Colton Sheen was a part of that. And so I decided to go back to my studies.
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  So I went to Rome on my own and did my studies there for my license.
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  And then eventually my doctorate. And Sheen was always at the forefront of my theology.
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  I was like, how do I get him to the forefront? Because nobody communicates things like he does.
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  And a lot of people don't know the depth of Fulton Sheen. So for me,
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  I saw that this was becoming a mission of a man whose time has really come.
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  And so by the time I finished my degrees in the early 2000s,
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  I started giving talks on Fulton
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  Sheen when I could. I was working for the church at various capacities.
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  And then after I finished my doctorate in 2008, I started, it was called the Fulton Sheen Society.
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  And that was something I was like, how is this going to manifest?
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  I just want to bring people into this world.
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  So that was, you know, kind of slow in the works. But then right before COVID hit,
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  after years and years of moving around, I said, this is the time to start having something formalized,
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  an institute where people can be formed in the pillars of what today's saints
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  should have in the style and in the wisdom and even the very example of Fulton Sheen himself.
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  And this was coinciding with the movement.
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  The cause of Fulton Sheen. At this time, he was already venerable.
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  And right after I founded the Fulton Sheen Institute was the announcement that
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  the miracle had been approved for his beatification.
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  And I was like, wow, that's like everything converged. So that was the genesis of that.
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  COVID came in and kind of disrupted everything.
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  So over the last few years, we've been able to recalibrate ourselves or retread it.
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  And now we're working back into building it up and it's a lot through live events
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  retreats conferences um that's i'm you know with i'm in california right now
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  doing a parish mission on this went to ireland i brought bolt and sheen back
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  to ireland at the shrine of national shrine in knock ireland recently,
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  and it's it's great to see there's an explosion of interest and so it's it's
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  something that needs a lot of momentum and the more people discover him they're
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  like we we need this in almost every facet of our lives.
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  Dr. Howard, you just mentioned the miracle.
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  Can you, for someone who might just be driving down the road right now or sitting
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  in their home and not know a lot about Fulton Sheen, can you talk about the miracle?
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  Sure. The miracle involved, I forget the exact year it did, but it was 2015
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  or so, I think, beside the point.
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  But it was the Engstrom family, a family that lives in Peoria,
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  actually, of all places, kind of ground zero.
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  Bonnie and Angstrom, she'd written a book about this, too, and it involved the birth of her son.
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  Her son, James, now it's James Fulton, was born without a heartbeat for 61 minutes.
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  And so it was, obviously, you could imagine what was going on.
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  But they turned to Fulton Sheet and prayed the entire time.
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  They had a priest there. He was praying with them. and literally at the 61st minute.
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  Baby James that took his first breath. And it was a resuscitation,
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  like a resurrection, because the baby was clinically dead.
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  And not only did the baby come to life without explanation, but there was no brain damage.
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  Things that should have been very, very severe as a consequence of that.
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  And there was none of that.
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  And that was a direct, I'm sorry, that was, I just want to say They were directly
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  praying to Fulton Sheen to intervene, and it happened.
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  Exactly, exactly. So that went through, that was submitted through the Archbishop
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  Fulton Sheen Foundation, and they're the ones who were in Peoria with the cause
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  itself, and then it went to Rome.
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  And they were going through the commissions, Theological Commission,
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  Medical Commission, and they certified that it was truly unexplainable and there
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  was a divine intervention through the intercession of Fulton Sheen.
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  So when that was granted, yeah, that green-lighted the beatification.
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  Amazing. And so now Fulton Sheen, he was all set to be a saint. And what happened?
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  Well, this is where the story changes, kind of like the movie,
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  you know, the music changes.
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  It's unfortunate, yeah. Because what happened was just really tragic because
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  we're talking two and a half weeks or so before the actual beatification date.
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  It was set, Rome improved it, and it was for December 21st, 2019.
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  And so at that
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  time an announcement came out that the edification mass
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  was indefinitely postponed and
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  there wasn't much explanation behind it other than
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  that there was a couple of bishops including two cardinals who intervened and
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  asked Rome to delay it and Rome who I later learned recently because I went
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  to Cheryl I'll talk about it a little bit more.
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  Was that they don't, they need a harmony between themselves and the diocese.
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  But at the same time, the diocese was totally on board.
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  This is why the people who were behind it, or I should say behind the cause in Peoria.
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  Especially Monsignor James Cruz, who was a canonist, heavily involved in the case.
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  He came out in a personal letter and he said that this was an act of sabotage
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  because there's no explanation.
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  How do you overturn the edification mass when Rome has already determined that
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  he is blessed? The mass is really a formality.
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  People don't realize that. It's like a five-minute part of the mass at the very beginning.
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  And they read a little bit of the life of Sheen. And then they proclaim him
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  because there's nothing else to do.
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  The miracle has been approved. and then at that
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  point everybody now can publicly venerate him
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  as blessed but for all intents and purposes he already is
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  determined by Rome so this was this was a big big deal that came out the diocese
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  of purity was furious because the excuse that was given was that there was this
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  attorney general report that had not been released that was investigating all
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  the diocese of New York as had been done like in Pennsylvania, Ohio,
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  you know, all these things, the review of all the history of any clergy sexual abuse.
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  And, and Rome's already just, they've already investigated all of these things.
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  And so, and they knew that and they're saying, well, we just want to be sure
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  that, you know, nothing could come out. We want this to be a time of celebration.
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  And, you know, But the craziness about it was that nobody cared.
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  Nobody had any objections to them.
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  Everybody trusts Rome in their process, which is the most meticulous process
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  that you could have is the investigation,
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  historical investigation, theological investigation, everything of a potential
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  saint because ultimately it's verified by the miracle that he is in heaven.
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  So it casts so much doubt.
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  On the integrity of the church. Sure.
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  And people out of nowhere were saying, well, they created a problem for everyone
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  to start saying, well, what is this problem?
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  And they said, well, we need to wait on this. But people are like,
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  well, we don't need to wait on this. So it was so strange from the beginning.
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  And in all the hard work of the Dietary of Peoria was, I mean,
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  these are powerful prelates who were involved, was able to be,
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  literally, they used the word sabotaged, and it was. So it's been a standstill for six years.
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  So if I'm understanding this right, we're just waiting for a five-minute confirmation
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  during a Mass and he would be a saint?
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  Is that really all it would take? That's all that has to be done.
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  Everything else that's been mentioned, like this report is necessary.
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  Even the Dietes of Peoria, even the current president of the foundation.
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  Senior Jason Gray, you know he's been on he's been
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  on interviews since we started the movement of for
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  fulton sheen this was specifically directed to
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  we need to get this beatification done
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  not because we want a trophy for sheen it's because it's all about what she's
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  mission it's about the salvation of souls and what blessed fulton sheen would
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  mean to maybe potentially billions of people because of how that would go through
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  the airwaves and as the writing is to be discovered is i mean it would just explode So,
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  yeah, it's a big deal.
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  I don't say it's a formality, but it really is. Because nothing's going to change
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  the determination of the church that he's,
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  blessings by decree. Pope Francis at the time, he's the one who issued the decree
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  that simply just approves the miracle.
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  And then says, okay, basically set the date.
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  And so the bishops that intervened either took the gamble or knew that they
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  could throw a wrench into this and just use this excuse, well,
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  we should wait for this report to come out.
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  When Peoria says, we know everything that could possibly be
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  in the report and even more because we know we've
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  done all and they were like oh there's a couple of questions about
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  one of the priests and or two priests that were that
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  when he was bishop of rochester we wanted and fury is like we already knew that
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  we investigated that sheen was completely clean about that perfectly handled
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  it was open and shut there was it's no rome knew all about it fury went back
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  and visited with rome just to say hey just let me make you sure that you know
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  we did cover on these things that you may be hearing rome's like okay that's great.
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  Like Rome's sitting there and literally saying, okay, you guys kind of figure
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  out your stuff because we're good.
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  We have no objections. We've never had any to this. This is now your issue that you're creating.
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  And so in the beginning, Peoria was outraged and that was justly so,
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  but now it's been six years.
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  There's a new bishop, there's a new team that's involved and it hasn't changed,
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  and they've come out saying.
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  Specifically to Monsignor Gray because he's now the voice of the foundation
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  who did all the work for the cause, saying that there is nothing holding him back.
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  The issues, he would say, are on this side of the pond.
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  I would say, if you want to know what's going on, you could look at an interview
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  he did with Raymond Arroyo in 2023 and he really puts out the case. He's,
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  Okay, so, and that's what Raymond says at the end. He said, so what is holding?
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  He said, well, we just want to make sure, but nobody else cares.
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  And Rome doesn't care. I just spoke with the Dicastery of Saints.
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  This, when I went out for the Carlo Acutis canonization and Pier Giorgio Fasati
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  canonization, I was blessed to actually have a conversation with them,
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  because I delivered a petition with 14,000 signatures of people from all around
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  the world saying, would you please set the date? We need to.
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  Yeah. Yeah. So, and you think, yeah, well, unfortunately, the way Rome works
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  is we want to be able to work in harmony with the diocese. So they've got issues.
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  Unfortunately, they're the ones that have to come to the point of saying we're ready.
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  Absolutely. Dr. I just want to say, I can hear the passion in your voice that
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  I, I'm going to give you a little break. We have to take a break here for a second.
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  I'm way past my commercial break. John is shaking his hand at me going,
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  Stan, we've got to take a break here.
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  But please, hold that passion. Hold that passion.
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  We're going to pause for just a moment. But when we return, we'll continue this
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  vital conversation with Dr.
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  Peter Howard about why Fulton Sheen's message is ripe for a revival.
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  This is Catholic Conversations. I'm Stan Ketsick. Our guest today, Dr.
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  Peter Howard, who has authored a powerful open letter advocating for Fulton Sheen's canonization.
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  Before the break, Dr. Howard, we had the passion going.
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  I'm angry at somebody. Tell me the person I have to be angry at.
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  He should be a saint at this point.
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  Is there anyone we can name that we can write letters to.
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  I know you have an open letter that we're going to get to in this segment,
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  but what can we do to push this along? This is ridiculous.
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  All attention should be given to the Archbishop Fulton Sheen Foundation.
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  They are the ones who are in the middle of this, in the sense of when the date is set,
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  it's going to come essentially from them and the Diocese of Peoria,
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  because they're the ones who are going to be holding it. They did the cause.
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  So it needs to be directed to them. And that's why I had an open letter,
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  just because a lot of people need to know what the history is.
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  And I know what the reasons that they've given for the delay,
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  but they're not substantive.
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  It's things that these are obstacles that they've created to postpone them.
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  You know, they're still saying, well, we should wait on that report,
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  which they have already admitted. It's not going to change anything at all.
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  And then at the end of the interview with Raymond Arroyo, he also said,
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  well, we also want to make sure that we have the unanimous support of the bishops
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  moving forward, which was never mentioned.
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  So when I heard that, I thought, well, that's going to be the miracle for his
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  canonization because you're not
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  going to get the unanimous support of the bishops probably for anything.
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  Yeah. So, you know, I do, anyway, that's who you would direct the,
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  I would say the passion for, because the question isn't what needs to be done.
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  What are, you know, it's why, why are they holding it up?
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  Yeah. And in my letter, I'm not insinuating, I'm pretty direct about it.
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  I'm saying, if the ultimate decision comes from Peoria, the tall rope,
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  we're ready for another date, and they're saying there are no obstacles,
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  then who is holding them back?
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  It's theological at that point, you know?
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  It's like, I love my, you know, I love my fiance and she loves me and we're ready.
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  And, but I know I, but why haven't you set a date for your marriage?
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  Well, we're, I'm just waiting for, you know, to get, I don't know,
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  the approval of everybody, all my friends who have known me over the years that
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  they said what they think about this relationship. Well, who cares? Do you love each other?
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  Yeah. I mean, maybe that's not the best analogy, but it kind of feels like that.
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  It's just doesn't, it's, it doesn't follow.
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  And so I, I think that.
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  It's one of those things where one voice can be kind of muffled,
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  but a crowd of voices is harder to ignore.
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  And that's why we did the petitions a few years ago and garnered that steam.
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  I was able to now to deliver it to Rome.
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  And I did get some, I guess you could say some intel just this past week.
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  Because I'm in California right now doing the full machine parish mission.
• 23:48
  In Southern California, and a friend of mine is not too far from here.
• 23:52
  Anyway, we're going back and forth. And he was sharing with me.
• 23:54
  He had probably a conversation with my senior in gray about it.
• 23:58
  And we talked about, he asked me the same question.
• 24:01
  But we said, well, if you can get in front of him, Terry, then let's do it.
• 24:06
  You know, you could ask him directly.
• 24:08
  And it confirmed another suspicion that I had in that the Dietary of Peoria
• 24:14
  has, And they announced that they have a big project that they're now,
• 24:19
  they just broke ground on it.
• 24:21
  And it's on the new Fulton Sheen Center, like a media center. Okay.
• 24:26
  It's like a $10 million project or something like that. And so I'm sure it's
• 24:29
  going to be phenomenal when it's done.
• 24:31
  But I'm sitting there like, please don't tell me that this is also part of it,
• 24:35
  that you had to build all these things so that you can then,
• 24:38
  you know, when you decide to have the beatification, then you have all these things in place.
• 24:44
  Because the whole point, the importance of Fulton Sheen's beatification is the
• 24:49
  salvation of souls, period.
• 24:52
  And every minute that we delay is the minute where souls aren't being reached by him.
• 24:57
  And he's not an obscure figure. He's one of the most, he is the most prominent,
• 25:01
  or as his biographer said, the most important person.
• 25:05
  Catholic figure in 20th century america so you know to to his beatification
• 25:13
  would be a massive magnifying glass absolutely on him for hundreds of millions
• 25:19
  or like i said at least a billion people will learn of it through the media
• 25:22
  things and at one percent of those,
• 25:25
  have a big conversion through Fulton Sheen, which is a very,
• 25:28
  very conservative number, by rediscovering him or discovering him for the first
• 25:32
  time, you're talking like 10 million people. Absolutely.
• 25:36
  Absolutely. So anyway, when you measure it like that, it changes everything.
• 25:41
  And any delay when there shouldn't be one is a scandal.
• 25:45
  And I know I make myself the enemy in this, but I'm not their enemy.
• 25:49
  I've been the advocate with the Diocese of Peoria for 20 years when Father Apostoli was alive.
• 25:55
  And, you know, it's like, this is not about Peter Howard and my passion.
• 26:01
  This is only about souls.
• 26:03
  I know what he did to me. And I know that people, what I introduce in the places,
• 26:08
  a fire starts. It's not my fire.
• 26:11
  It's what he was meant to give to the church. So, you know, I don't know if
• 26:14
  that's a long-winded answer.
• 26:16
  No, no. There's so many angles. It was a perfect answer. And I got to say that,
• 26:20
  you know, you really hit it on the head.
• 26:22
  I cannot think of another Catholic personality that has ever communicated as
• 26:27
  much to the masses as Fulton Sheen.
• 26:31
  And it almost seems like there's something like a good versus evil in here that's holding this back.
• 26:38
  And the reason I say that is because once he becomes a saint,
• 26:42
  all of those broadcasts that are still on YouTube, all of those broadcasts that
• 26:47
  are on the radio archive that we can listen to, You know, people will have an example of,
• 26:53
  I mean, we'll actually be able to look and go, that is a saint.
• 26:56
  That's what a saint looks like right there.
• 26:57
  These are the messages from a saint. And, you know, it almost sounds like somebody's
• 27:02
  holding it back so that can't happen.
• 27:05
  I don't know if that makes any sense, but... No, I think, well,
• 27:08
  I think you're exactly right. That's the only reason that could possibly exist.
• 27:13
  Because you can't have someone...
• 27:16
  Say, and this is on record publicly, my senior Gray in the interview with we
• 27:21
  need Sheen now more than ever.
• 27:25
  Nothing follows in the inaction that says that's what you really believe.
• 27:31
  I know when I need something now more than ever, I drop what I'm doing and I find out a way to get it.
• 27:38
  If there's a sickness going around and there's a cure for it,
• 27:42
  I'm going to find out what it is and I'm going to make sacrifices to make sure
• 27:46
  I have it and give it to my family.
• 27:47
  So when there's spiritual sickness, apathy, neglect, indifference,
• 27:52
  scandal, I mean, lack of leadership, every vacuum that Venerable Fulton Sheen
• 27:57
  fills, I call him like the General MacArthur for this today.
• 28:02
  The guy who saw the vision, had the battle play, and lived it himself,
• 28:06
  could reach any audience. This is the one you want.
• 28:10
  There are those who do not want this to happen but because he also stands as
• 28:14
  really an example or a symbol of judgment of what they're not doing.
• 28:20
  He was so patriotic. They know the spiritual grace that will come through a blessed folding sheet.
• 28:25
  And he loved our country. That was amazing, too, to hear his message. He was patriotic.
• 28:31
  It was all about, you know, America. It was about doing the right thing. And we need more.
• 28:37
  We need somebody like that. And here we have all of his archives.
• 28:41
  And it just, I don't know.
• 28:43
  It's frustrating from my end to listen to what's going on here because it just
• 28:48
  seems to me that, you know, when you want to get something done,
• 28:51
  you got to get right in front of the person who says yes or who can say yes.
• 28:55
  And it sounds to me like right now they have their hands over their ears.
• 28:58
  And let's talk about this letter you put together. It's a very passionate letter.
• 29:03
  Where can people go and read this right now? If they're just tuning in,
• 29:06
  we're talking to, I'm sorry, if you're just tuning in, we're talking to Dr. Peter Howard.
• 29:11
  He is just a, he's doing his best to get Fulton Sheen canonized.
• 29:17
  And where can they read this letter, Dr.
• 29:21
  Howard? You can go to the FultonSheenMovement.com.
• 29:27
  Fulton Sheen Movement.
• 29:28
  Okay. And now, do you want to talk a little bit about the letter?
• 29:31
  I know we can't read the whole letter right now, but what, you know,
• 29:34
  I know we've been pretty much talking about what's in there,
• 29:36
  but are there suggestions that you'd like to give to people?
• 29:40
  What can we do? What can I do? What can the listener do to help this along?
• 29:49
  Well, in one good sense, I covered some of the essentials of it already, just in your questions.
• 29:54
  Your questions were excellent. So we kind of got right to the heart of it.
• 29:59
  The essence of the letter, the first, you know, the first 50% plus or whatever
• 30:04
  is, is helping people simply know what the truth is.
• 30:07
  Why are we where we're at? And it's an open letter to everyone,
• 30:11
  but it's, it's addressed to a few people in the church.
• 30:13
  It's addressed, it's addressed also to the diocese of Peoria.
• 30:19
  Okay. And the, and the, the foundation, you know, in the very beginning,
• 30:24
  it says, Hey, your Excellency, most Reverend Louis Tilka, Bishop of Peoria,
• 30:27
  Reverend Monsignor Jason Gray, Director of the Archbishop Fulton Sheen Foundation,
• 30:31
  and then Your Brothers and Sisters in Christ throughout America and the world.
• 30:35
  So, you know, it was written on October 16th, which was a very powerful day
• 30:41
  in history because a kindred saint to Fulton Sheen is St. Maximilian Maria Colby.
• 30:48
  He's one of the, you know, kind of the co-patrons of the Institute.
• 30:52
  And that was the day that he founded the Militia Immaculate,
• 30:56
  the Knights of the Immaculate.
• 30:57
  That was to literally have a global conquest of victory over the world and conversion
• 31:05
  through consecration to Mary.
• 31:09
  And, you know, how one man, how one man did this.
• 31:13
  And Fulton Sheen was the man on a mission who God gave us for these times.
• 31:19
  Like you said, too, there's a very specific mission that Fulton Sheen has for
• 31:24
  the future of America because, as he says, and I have a great,
• 31:29
  great clip that I want to, I would call everybody to listen to.
• 31:33
  I've forged together some clips of Sheen in promoting the importance of the
• 31:37
  daily holy hour, which is, you can find it on our institute site,
• 31:41
  called sheeninstitute.com.
• 31:43
  He says, the old world is dead. We don't want to save anything of what brought
• 31:50
  us to the point where we are today.
• 31:52
  We are at the edge of the abyss.
• 31:56
  And what's going to come has to be something new.
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  And that's why when we look at what's going on in the world right now,
• 32:03
  and all of these upcoming major jubilee anniversaries that are basically converging
• 32:08
  around the year 2031, it's only five years away.
• 32:12
  Our Lady Guadalupe, which is what his feast day coincides with.
• 32:16
  December 9th is the first day Our Lady appeared in Mexico City to evangelize the Americas.
• 32:23
  Sheen died on that anniversary, and he prayed every day of his life,
• 32:27
  he said, that he'd die on a Marian feast day in the presence of our Lord and
• 32:31
  the Lord of the Sacrament. And he got both of those wishes.
• 32:33
  So what does God want us to learn about Sheen and Our Lady Guadalupe and the
• 32:37
  mission of the evangelization of the Americas?
• 32:40
  So, you know, the letter, you know, it leaves on a positive note,
• 32:45
  telling people a number of things.
• 32:48
  One, certainly contact the diocese. Yes.
• 32:51
  And the more good pressure there's put on there, I mean, this is how it used
• 32:56
  to always be in the church.
• 32:57
  The saints were made saints by what they called acclimation.
• 33:00
  There was no process like we have now.
• 33:03
  It's like their holiness was known, and they just made it so loud that Rome's
• 33:07
  like, okay, okay, okay. we don't really know if anything is an obstacle.
• 33:10
  Your country can now proclaim, you know, Thomas Beckett, a saint,
• 33:14
  you know, in England. So...
• 33:18
  We're kind of going back to that. And the letter is helping people to see that
• 33:23
  the emperor has no clothes, that the arguments that are being used,
• 33:26
  there are no arguments at all because they're refuted by the people who make them.
• 33:32
  Right, right. So anyway, a lot of it is to help people just to know what the truth is.
• 33:38
  Then what we can do to contact them, spread it out, have events.
• 33:43
  We've had rallies in Illinois in the past at the Annunciation Byzantine Catholic
• 33:49
  Parish there with Father Thomas Loya.
• 33:52
  We've had a few of those. We've had people, you know, the co-owner of the Bears
• 33:55
  came out, and we drew attention to that.
• 33:58
  And unfortunately, there's been, you know, what I'm doing comes across by them in the diocese.
• 34:04
  It's like, well, look, Howard is against us, and he's, oh, yeah, he's causing problems.
• 34:08
  He's like, no, I'm not. But I'm a voice of, you know, I'm not John the Baptist.
• 34:14
  You're trying to help. I'm a voice that's crying out, though, in this wilderness.
• 34:18
  We have a saint that God has given us, and you're holding him back.
• 34:22
  And I want everyone to know that because you need to get out of the way of that.
• 34:26
  Sure. And, you know, and in the end, we're all going to be happy.
• 34:30
  But they're measuring things by something different, and there are definitely
• 34:35
  powers behind them saying, don't do this. this is not the time.
• 34:40
  That's why they're not going to get the unanimous support.
• 34:43
  So, but they are building the center. And this is, this is where I was saying
• 34:46
  before I kind of cut myself off.
• 34:48
  Things that I've learned recently seem to confirm my own kind of gut on where
• 34:52
  things are going when I heard about this new center being built is that they're
• 34:56
  most likely going to wait till that's done. And this seems to be what's happening.
• 35:02
  A friend of mine is very close, Very passionate. We owe him a lot when it comes
• 35:07
  to Fulton Sheen and having access to everything that we watch.
• 35:13
  And I think he has a radio interview, so I would recommend, I have to look about
• 35:17
  myself since I'm on the road right now, but his name is Terry Barber,
• 35:21
  Virgin Most Powerful Radio.
• 35:25
  His work inspired me, and he's now on board, and he just had an interview with him, and so with J.
• 35:31
  Spock, my senior Jason Gray. okay and it sounded like because
• 35:35
  my thing was if they don't beatify sheen and set a
• 35:37
  date really sooner for 2026 which is
• 35:40
  the 225th or 250th anniversary of our nation like just no more perfect year
• 35:46
  to do it than that as you're saying sheen has a as a mission for our country
• 35:50
  and america 2.0 if they don't do that then then this is this is extremely malicious because we You know,
• 35:59
  there's, well, our country might not even make it past that.
• 36:03
  And that's not hyperbole, you know, for following things. No,
• 36:06
  I understand. We're on a nice edge.
• 36:07
  You're right. And so, anyway, I think it's going to, I think it will happen next year.
• 36:14
  I don't know when, but I also don't have a way to prove that unless I personally got it out of them.
• 36:20
  So, I do hope that either I say get an interview with my senior gray.
• 36:25
  I don't know if he'd be amenable. He might think that an invitation is coming
• 36:28
  from hostile territories via hostile, you know, it'll be direct and no nonsense.
• 36:33
  But it's like, how are we fighting for the same thing?
• 36:36
  The difference is that you hold the power and I don't. And you're,
• 36:40
  you know, you're literally tying your own hands behind your back saying,
• 36:44
  I can't, I can't do anything.
• 36:46
  Well, you know, I don't know. I understand. Hey, you know, I just want to say
• 36:51
  you were talking about being inspired. Well, you inspired me.
• 36:55
  I was watching your YouTube channel.
• 36:57
  I love the teachings that you've put together. Can you talk a little bit?
• 37:00
  I want our listeners to be able to go to YouTube, and I want them to be able
• 37:04
  to see you and Fulton Sheen.
• 37:07
  You've put some great lessons together. Can we talk about that a little bit?
• 37:11
  I'll tell you what. Maybe a reference of some of the lessons,
• 37:14
  but our YouTube channel is at Fulton Sheen Institute.
• 37:18
  So it's really easy to find at Fulton Sheen Institute. I'll tell you what,
• 37:21
  I have to break again. John is waving his pencil at me.
• 37:25
  But don't lose that thought. I love your passion. I love what you're doing.
• 37:29
  I hope that everybody will get involved with this. We're going to take a short
• 37:33
  break. If you're just joining us or if you've been listening in, we're speaking with Dr.
• 37:37
  Peter Howard about his campaign to canonize.
• 37:40
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• 37:45
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• 38:17
  Peter Howard, who is, oh, we're having a heck of a conversation.
• 38:20
  We're both all revved up over Fulton Sheen. And just before the break,
• 38:24
  we were talking about your YouTube channel.
• 38:27
  I want people to be able to see you. I want them to be able to see Fulton Sheen.
• 38:32
  I wanted to give an opportunity to you to talk about the lessons that you have and the videos.
• 38:37
  They're just absolutely wonderful. They're very educational.
• 38:40
  They're not very long, so people just want to get into it.
• 38:45
  This might be a way to ease into learning more about Fulton Sheen.
• 38:49
  Can you talk a little bit about the YouTube channel?
• 38:53
  I guess when you come down to it, Dr. Howard, you put something phenomenal together. Is it,
• 39:00
  Is it a step-by-step, I guess, what I'm asking? Or can you just tune into any
• 39:06
  video and pretty much get a lesson?
• 39:08
  Each video, like the podcast especially, they're kind of...
• 39:13
  Not random topics, but they're appropriate for a particular time or a subject of Fulton Sheen.
• 39:20
  I did put together during the COVID time, I did put together,
• 39:24
  it was like a mini course.
• 39:26
  I think that's what I saw, yeah. I think you can still find that.
• 39:30
  And it's actually, like everything else, I find it's more appropriate now than it was then.
• 39:36
  That's great. Certain things could be historically outdated because we've moved at a warp speed.
• 39:42
  And no pun intended on that phrase, but from what was said then,
• 39:50
  it's actualization right now, but the teachings of Sheen that are within that
• 39:55
  are priceless, and it's called The Final Hour, Fulton Sheen's Plan to Save America
• 40:01
  and the World, so pretty cool title.
• 40:05
  But that's what really his ultimate purpose was,
• 40:09
  was to help us to see what the world was thinking, what were its errors and
• 40:13
  how do we respond to it with the full treasures of the church and being grounded
• 40:18
  in something solid like St. Thomas Aquinas.
• 40:20
  Now, most people would know that that's really what he did, but that's his whole
• 40:24
  philosophy behind his whole life is worth living series on the Christian philosophy of life.
• 40:29
  And so, you know, I've tried to choose things that really show what his blueprint is.
• 40:36
  So those things that I talk about are, of course.
• 40:41
  Who's the enemy that we're up against because if we don't know who our enemy is we will understand,
• 40:46
  what we're given to fight the enemy and why Fulton Sheen
• 40:49
  taught what he did what our Blessed Mother taught and gave us in her messages
• 40:54
  in like Fatima let's say because Fulton Sheen if you want to condense Fulton
• 40:58
  Sheen and his life and mission it really ties into he lived the message of Fatima
• 41:03
  that's what made him such a great saint and I dissect how and why.
• 41:10
  And then after that, it's been focusing a lot on helping people to see the connection
• 41:15
  of Fulton Sheen and Our Lady of Guadalupe and how heaven has combined these two great events.
• 41:26
  Sheen's life and his death on the day that Mary appeared.
• 41:29
  I think that that's probably the most important thing right now for Catholics
• 41:33
  to understand, as well as what really made Spulton Sheen the saint that he was,
• 41:40
  the power and the holiness was his...
• 41:43
  Unbroken dedication of 60 years to a daily holy hour before I adored in the blood of the sacrament.
• 41:49
  Because in the end, that's what we need to change the world.
• 41:52
  We need a power that's way beyond our mere intellect because we don't have what's
• 41:58
  needed to fight a demon on our own.
• 42:01
  And that's what Fulton Sheen tells us. He's like, we're fighting against the
• 42:04
  demon, something intrinsically wicked.
• 42:07
  And it's not going to answer to us on any human powers that we have,
• 42:11
  no matter how eloquent we are.
• 42:13
  But we're going to need that power from spending time with Jesus every day in
• 42:17
  an hour of prayer and meditation in the Boston Sacrament.
• 42:22
  And he was bold and he said this is in a time of war we have to do it.
• 42:26
  He said Protestants and Jews should be doing this as well and if you can't make
• 42:30
  it at church make it in your own home.
• 42:32
  But the hour is so important because of biblical significance,
• 42:36
  the hour of evil and it's the one direct appeal that Jesus had to his apostles and his disciples.
• 42:41
  Could you not watch one hour? His only direct appeal.
• 42:45
  And Sheen says, I'm not going to be the one who's going to miss that.
• 42:48
  So anyway, when it comes to why Sheen is so important and what we can learn,
• 42:53
  I always say we start there.
• 42:55
  And then we can supplement that with his various teachings on the various things
• 43:00
  of life because we need that so desperately.
• 43:03
  Not just theological or philosophical formation, but even our human formation.
• 43:09
  He's a saint that focuses on human formation, which is often,
• 43:13
  I don't want to say neglected or admitted, but it is kind of certain by saints
• 43:18
  in the past, they don't have the same issues that we have today.
• 43:23
  And Sheen really gives a holistic approach to evangelization and the salvation of a person.
• 43:32
  You know, you've studied him so closely. What do you think he would say about
• 43:36
  what's going on today? Do you have any thoughts on that?
• 43:40
  Just the world in general. That's a big question, but would he say anything
• 43:45
  different than he has said in the past?
• 43:47
  Because as I mentioned, when I was going through his videos,
• 43:51
  I just thought, man, this is today.
• 43:55
  Somebody put this together. This isn't from, you know, the 1960s.
• 44:00
  What do you think he might think of today? He would be speaking out and helping
• 44:06
  us to identify the evil more precisely.
• 44:09
  You know, what he was driven by was the chief threat in his time,
• 44:13
  but not just his time, but in the future was communism.
• 44:18
  And communism has been so often associated simply with like the harsh brutality
• 44:23
  of Soviet Russia that spread through militarily and just took over countries
• 44:28
  by power and force and then tried to steal their soul.
• 44:32
  He said, well, communism will come back to the West, which is an interesting
• 44:36
  thing that he said, come back to the West.
• 44:39
  And when he thinks it started out in the East, he said, no, because Karl Marx
• 44:42
  got his philosophy from Germany, he got his economics from England,
• 44:49
  and his sociology he got from France.
• 44:51
  All the things that really came together in the French Revolution afterward.
• 44:55
  And everything that, all the philosophical diseases that would materialize in our times,
• 45:00
  they all stem from that
• 45:04
  period and he was like how do we manifest
• 45:07
  he said well it's going to hit the west through
• 45:10
  culture which is the most dangerous form of communism because
• 45:13
  communism has the goal not just eliminating
• 45:17
  economic differences but it ultimately had the goal of the destruction of monogamous
• 45:26
  marriage the redefining of the family and even to eradicate the gender differences.
• 45:35
  That's crazy to think he was talking about that back then. Wow.
• 45:39
  Yeah, because he knew what the dialectical thinking was, but he said once this
• 45:44
  applies to morality, that's where that thinking then goes catastrophically wrong.
• 45:51
  But obviously this is a satanic plan working through this, because in the end,
• 45:55
  he says that the world has three choices.
• 45:58
  It's either totalitarianism, where man is a tool of the state,
• 46:03
  or it's materialism, which means that man is only an animal,
• 46:10
  which he says, which the West believes, and he says, and too many Americans
• 46:14
  believe, or that man is made in the image and likeness of God.
• 46:18
  This, he said, is the essence of the conflict. And I think Sheen,
• 46:22
  since he was so vocal during his time of communism, he was the number one enemy
• 46:25
  of communism, officially, during his life was Swanson Sheen.
• 46:30
  He would be helping us to identify in a time of great confusion how that's being manifest.
• 46:36
  And so that was kind of the essence behind the final hour course,
• 46:40
  was to help people to see what they are.
• 46:42
  Because once you see that, you know, today we simply call it being red-pilled,
• 46:46
  then you can identify and call out the enemy, but then how do we respond to
• 46:53
  it? He'd be helping us to know.
• 46:54
  I think his other, his spiritual message would be without question the daily
• 47:00
  holy hour, which is, you don't hear that often enough. No.
• 47:04
  That's a big, that's a tall order, a daily holy hour.
• 47:07
  Now, oh, I go to adoration, it's like daily, and he never broke it for 60 years
• 47:12
  and the day of his ordination to the day he died.
• 47:14
  And he says, I know it's not going to be easy. He says, but if I can do it, you can do it.
• 47:21
  And I'm like, you're right. I'm busy, but I can't.
• 47:24
  Knowing his life, you have 24 hours in your day, so you pick your hour and then you hold to it. Yeah.
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  Preferably earlier rather than later. But I really believe those are the two
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  things that he would help us to do.
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  How do you identify the enemy, especially in an age of deception,
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  a spirit of Antichrist, which he prophesied is happening.
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  The mystical body of Christ and the mystical body of Antichrist.
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  St. John Paul II says, similarly, We're in the final confrontation.
• 47:52
  Sheen called it the final battle.
• 47:54
  It sure feels like that. Yeah, he said, we're at the end of an era.
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  And that's what's important. People, he'd be hammering that now because that
• 48:02
  era is coming to an end now.
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  Really, I think it's coming, it'll be officially around 2031 because that's
• 48:10
  the 500th anniversary of Rojo de Guadalupe.
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  And Sheen talked about how the cycle of the church, historical cycle is in 500 year,
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  eras or ages we want to call it cycles we're now at the end of the fourth one,
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  Scary. And so, yeah, so when you look at already Guadalupe, that was really
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  the mark, I think, of the beginning of the era that we're in now.
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  And this is what I'm getting the parish mission on, is helping people to see
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  that, because 31 could actually be the year that Christ redeemed the actual redemption.
• 48:49
  33, 31, there's always some discrepancy when you look at different calendars, even among states.
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  You know, it's just scary to hear that, to be honest with you,
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  because when you think about, you know, some of the political things we hear
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  about with the big reset and the 2030 agenda, oh, my gosh, it all kind of like ties in.
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  And I'm thinking to myself, how did this man know this those years ago? Yeah.
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  And that's it. You nailed it, Stan. And you're like one of the few people that
• 49:17
  who's going to be on Catholic radio, who's going to mention that or even talk
• 49:20
  about it because we don't want to be controversial. We want to make people scared.
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  I'll tell you what, to not know what's happening and then to be a victim of
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  it, as we all were five years ago, and the church was one of the biggest complicit
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  parties in terms of leadership of not telling the truth or just complying with things.
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  It's been disastrous. People have died, let
• 49:40
  alone that now people haven't gone to church so what you just said
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  it's it's revolutionary i think it
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  was george orwell who said you know to speak truth in
• 49:49
  the in a world of universal deceit is a revolutionary act to say two plus two
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  equals four is revolutionary to say there's two genders like we're at the age
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  of crazy shesterton so she would be he'd be on the front lines of this you can
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  see why the devil wants to kind of.
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  Decafetate that yes the spirit is happening I do it in the way that I can I've
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  been trying to do this for 20 plus years but especially now but just imagine.
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  Just imagine when the church is like okay and the Holy Spirit is like here he is,
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  Then people who love, I mean, I'm sure at that moment there'll be people like,
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  oh my gosh, I loved them all my life and I really don't care.
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  It's just, direct people to shame, you know, and make your whole daily holy out.
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  If you're doing that, then, you know, you're carrying on his legacy,
• 50:38
  you know, and what he was here, why he was sent to us. Well,
• 50:41
  what you were talking about is saving souls, and how many souls have we missed
• 50:44
  because of the delay on this?
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  And, you know, I know people are tuning in right now, Dr. Howard,
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  and they probably want to learn more. Where can they go exactly?
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  Like, can you give your website? Can you give social media some way they can learn more about this?
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  Sure. Well, as far as the history of things, there is the open letter,
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  and that is on the Fulton Sheen movement.
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  You see at the very top of the menu. It says open letters. Click on that.
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  It's right there. You can download it.
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  And that gives us an idea of where things are at with Sheen.
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  As far as what Sheen's message for today is, you can look at our YouTube channel
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  at Fulton Sheen Institute and look at our podcast that we have on there.
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  We also have a weekday rosary. So people see a lot of rosary videos pop up.
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  That's a big part of what we do every weekday morning at 10 a.m. Central Time.
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  And of course, you have ways to rediscover. we have access to the audio and
• 51:40
  video on our website you can click on that, it gives you how you get access
• 51:45
  to hundreds of his audio files and access to his videos as well,
• 51:49
  there's a link for that on our website that, you know, why and reinvent the
• 51:53
  wheel and some of those things,
• 51:55
  other things, it's been through,
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  For me, it's through conferences, live retreats, bringing it personally to people
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  because I've seen how that, even conversations like this, when things are real,
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  touch point to touch point, person to person, I see immediate impact.
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  People's lives change because we've gotten used to a virtual world and it doesn't
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  quite have the same impact. So that's another thing.
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  I continue to do that. I lead pilgrimages to our Lady Guadalupe,
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  to Europe, trying to increase that.
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  They're all full-tinching pilgrimages. So, this is something people can learn
• 52:29
  more about by going to our website and see what the latest one is.
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  We have one next week. It's Fulton Sheen and Our Lady Guadalupe.
• 52:38
  Well, now, are these open to the public or is this something that's closed off
• 52:43
  to scholars or something? So, anybody could go to these.
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  Anybody can come. And that's the whole point.
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  The point is to try to make all of these things accessible to a level like a ninth grader.
• 52:57
  That was why Sheen spent 30 hours preparing a 30-minute talk. Yeah, yeah, wow.
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  Well, I got to tell you, your passion is, it lights a fire.
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  I hope you never lose that passion. I hope you'll keep going because when you
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  think about the, whatever's holding this back and, you know,
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  like we were talking about good and evil, something evil is holding this back or postponing it.
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  And I don't know what we'd do without you. We need more. Is there anyone else like you out there?
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  Do we have an army of people pushing for this?
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  I don't know what the army would be. I mean, that's something I've tried to like as I go.
• 53:38
  I mentioned, you know, he's a brother in arms for sure. It's Terry Barber.
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  You know, he is the founder of St. Joseph Communications and then Lighthouse Media.
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  So all those kiosks and things where you see Sheen and all the retreat series.
• 53:55
  Like he's the one who really made them accessible to us. Now you can find a lot of them on YouTube.
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  He's on Catholic Radio as well he's on the front lines of this,
• 54:05
  he's been there for a long time.
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  Other than that, you just have people who say, yeah, I love Sheen,
• 54:13
  but it's not quite your mission.
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  For me, this is something that I knew God was going to put me involved.
• 54:22
  I didn't think I'd be fighting for this, to be honest.
• 54:25
  I saw all the stars being aligned in 2019, but I'm not God, and God has his reasons.
• 54:35
  It's certainly something he's permitted. I wouldn't say it was like a direct
• 54:39
  willing because it's all about saving souls, but God will do something.
• 54:43
  And it might be because next year is the 250th anniversary of our country and
• 54:50
  the spotlight will be extremely fresh.
• 54:55
  And once his proclamation comes with the mass, and we're talking,
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  I guess it's like a five minute ceremony at the very beginning of the mass.
• 55:02
  There's talking to my friend Terry he said
• 55:05
  that he had learned from the Archbishop Sheen Foundation
• 55:08
  Peoria that they already are looking at another like three to five miracle so
• 55:14
  that's the other thing is that stratification needs to happen now because that
• 55:19
  means those other miracles could really happen fast and then we can go from
• 55:23
  blessed to Saint Sheen in light speed,
• 55:26
  and this is holding that process up as well so So, you know,
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  that's why I said just pray, contact the diocese, don't have animosity.
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  I mean, speak from a heart that's wounded. It's like, how can we not have full conscience?
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  Because, I mean, there's a holy, righteous anger behind it because souls aren't
• 55:47
  being reached like they should be, and they will be when he's beatified.
• 55:51
  But, you know, put the pressure on. We have to. I mean, this is six years.
• 55:55
  And the devil's going to be still working at it. And it's all going to sound
• 55:58
  like, oh, it's all for good intentions.
• 55:59
  But it's not in the end. It's for, you know, we only care about saving our families,
• 56:06
  our children, saving, rebuilding our country.
• 56:08
  I mean, this is like we're in a whole, this is like the fall of the Roman Empire
• 56:14
  and civilization now starting again when this is all done.
• 56:17
  And you mentioned it, 2030, Agenda 2030. 30. Evil has its deadline.
• 56:22
  Yeah. And the response to that I see is exactly there. 2031 is our Lady Guadalupe.
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  The 500th anniversary, it could be the 2000th anniversary since redemption.
• 56:32
  A lot of it. The 100th anniversary of Divine Mercy is 2031.
• 56:36
  I see all of these things converging. You gave me a chill when you said that,
• 56:39
  because when I thought about the 2030 agenda, I thought, oh my,
• 56:44
  maybe we are getting close to the end here.
• 56:47
  And, you know, I'm just so worried that people are going to spend their lives
• 56:50
  on Tik TOK and all of a sudden they're going to look up and everything's going
• 56:53
  to be gone because they're so distracted and if they want,
• 56:58
  I, we need more, we need more of a Fulton Sheen, that type of,
• 57:03
  that type of message coming from people.
• 57:06
  And, you know, I hope, I really hope that your, your open letter,
• 57:11
  I hope that all of the efforts that you are putting forth pushes this agenda and gosh, I'm just.
• 57:18
  It's been an honor to talk to you today. It really has. And really,
• 57:22
  listen, I hope I didn't add a lot to the conversation.
• 57:25
  I just tried to be quiet and let you go because I love hearing that passion,
• 57:30
  and I really hope that this all works out.
• 57:33
  And we talked about prayer. Would you mind leading us in prayer as we leave?
• 57:37
  Would you mind saying a prayer for what our goal is with this conversation,
• 57:41
  to bring forth the knowledge of Fulton Sheen and this open letter that you've put together?
• 57:48
  Let's hope the message gets to the right person. Would you mind praying for us?
• 57:52
  Absolutely. I'd love to do it. In the name of the Father, and of the Son,
• 57:56
  and of the Holy Spirit, amen.
• 57:59
  Lord Jesus Christ, we thank you for the gift of the saints that you give the
• 58:05
  church, and you have them perfectly timed for when we need them most.
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  Forgive our impatience, but always know that it's always in a sense of a love
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  for you and a love of why you came to save souls.
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  And we ask for the special grace now for the sake of countless millions in our
• 58:25
  own country and throughout the world, especially for the rebirth of America.
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  We ask that you move the church especially that it may bring honor and glory
• 58:36
  to you through the church to raise Venerable Fulton Sheen to the altar through having him,
• 58:43
  rightly proclaimed blessed as the church has already determined help us to imitate
• 58:49
  him help us to see that the reason behind all this is so that his legacy will
• 58:53
  continue for every single one of us give us discipline,
• 58:58
  strength, dedication to the daily holy hour,
• 59:03
  unswerving commitment to your blessed mother to carry out all of her wishes
• 59:07
  as venerable as she did, who lived the method to fathom the faithfully every day,
• 59:12
  and help us in the end to be what you called us to be, the great saints of these
• 59:17
  times, the end of this era,
• 59:19
  an era prophesied by St.
• 59:21
  Louis de Montfort and so many others, the time where so many saints would dream
• 59:25
  to be alive today, make us grateful, no matter what faces us to realize that
• 59:30
  we are invincible when we live in you.
• 59:34
  We entrust all these things to our Blessed Mother and to our Lady of Guadalupe.
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  As we pray, Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.
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  Blessed art thou, my woman, and blessed is the fruit of thine Jesus.
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  Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now at the hour of our death.
• 59:51
  Amen. Venerable Fulton Sheen, pray for us.
• 59:55
  Dr. Peter Howard, you are a hero. Thank you so much for joining us on Catholic Conversations.
• 1:00:01
  I just love this hour we spent together. You are an amazing human being,
• 1:00:05
  and I just want your letter to get to the right person, and I want to see this go through.
• 1:00:12
  Again, can you give your website or your YouTube channel any way people can
• 1:00:17
  contact you or be more in touch with this phenomenal subject that we've discussed today?
• 1:00:23
  Sure. Very simply, go to FultonSheenInstitute.com. You can see what we're up
• 1:00:27
  to, our offerings as well.
• 1:00:29
  If you want to access the open letter, go to Fulton Sheen Movement.
• 1:00:32
  It is something separate.
• 1:00:34
  A complimentary FultonSheenMovement.com. Our YouTube channel,
• 1:00:38
  simply type in Fulton Sheen Institute and you'll see all that we offer.
• 1:00:42
  Join us on our weekday rosary at 10 a.m. Central, live, people around the world.
• 1:00:47
  And I think that's it. I'm just grateful and thanks for you,
• 1:00:50
  Stan, for Catholic Spirit Radio because you guys, just by doing this,
• 1:00:55
  this reveals so much about what your station is about.
• 1:00:59
  It shows to me, you guys are the tip of the spear because I'm just a,
• 1:01:04
  channel of this information and all of this, it's because of.
• 1:01:10
  Radio stations like Catholic Spirit Radio that makes this happen.
• 1:01:13
  So you're doing a huge, huge service to all of this by putting this in front of so many Catholics.
• 1:01:19
  I just can't thank you enough. It's been an honor to talk to you today,
• 1:01:23
  and I will be watching you on YouTube and listening to Fulton Sheen.
• 1:01:27
  One thing we never even got into was he had a great sense of humor.
• 1:01:30
  Oh, I love his sense of humor, his corny jokes, and maybe we can do this again
• 1:01:37
  in the future if that would be okay with you.
• 1:01:39
  Yeah, anytime. Reach out. I'd love to do it. Thank you so much, Dr. Peter Howard.
• 1:01:43
  He's been our guest on Catholic Conversations. I'm Stan Ketsick.
• 1:01:46
  I look forward to talking to you again.
• 1:01:48
  Usually we sit down with a cup of coffee, but Dr. Howard was so fascinating,
• 1:01:52
  I didn't even get to take a sip. So thanks again, Dr. Howard.
• 1:01:56
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• 1:02:00
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