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EP009 Just What I Needed: BREATH PLAY (ft. Kingsley) · Just What I Needed

• Esther And Paul: Hey everyone, welcome back to Just What I Needed. There are some people who come into your life and you don't know why, but they come to make your life better. They come to bring you knowledge and experience and connection that you didn't know you had, that you didn't know you needed. And that is our guest today. We have the amazing, the wonderful, the talented, incredible, incomparable Kingsley with us today. Paul Rivera: I'm my own wave Seeing light even on the thawed days of days I trust myself and know my worth There is nothing but stars behind me Kingsley: I'm glad I was like, incompetent! I was like, where's it going? Where are going with it? Hi, how are you? Paul Rivera: Can we go higher? Can we go higher? Together, we're better, you can dream bigger and louder Can we go higher? Esther And Paul: We're so, so glad and so thankful that you made some time for us today. So thanks so much for being here with us. And I'm going to take off my glasses while we talk to Kingsley. Kingsley: Yeah, can you see me? I'm excited. I know this is going to be probably just what I needed because I haven't seen you guys in like two months. So this is going to be a conversation for me specifically. Paul Rivera: Can we go higher? Esther And Paul: Yikes. Well, let's treat it that way. It's just us here today. It's just us. ⁓ I think one of the things, I don't know, you want to start? You want to ask? I just want to let everybody know, know, that amazing song that we have. ⁓ my gosh. I think we should start from there. Let's start there. Let's start there with the song that you wrote for this podcast. So tell us about it. Paul Rivera: Together we're better to dream bigger and louder can we go higher? Kingsley: ⁓ my gosh. Well, we, started, we, you came to me through Ashley, ⁓ Ashley Kerva Von Stoyanov, who is my best friend for Portland, who wrote the first Latina business book. And she was like, ⁓ you need branding. You need to talk to this girl. So this is like two years ago. We started with your brand, maybe three years actually. Yeah. This is on year three. Esther And Paul: It's been a while. No, a while. Kingsley: And it was your podcasting and it's taken so many shapes and forms and it's so it's so beautiful to see it this way. But when we originally like talking about me doing the song, you guys gave me parameters and I'm like, well, I can't remember what Paul said. He was like, just he was like something that sounds like Afrofusion, maybe pop, maybe like R &B, maybe so like so many different lanes. like, okay, I should. Esther And Paul: Ha! That sounds like something I would say completely. Kingsley: I should have, yeah, maybe this, maybe that, but I'm not picky. ⁓ And then you talked a lot about just wanting it to feel like the inner voice in your head. I do remember my notes saying, I wish I kept my note. It's probably in my journal, ⁓ just saying something like, it should sound like your inner monologue. And I really appreciated hearing that. And so when I was writing it, I was just thinking of like, what are the things that you ask yourself? when you think about aspiring, right? Because the original podcast name was like your daily, what was it? Like aspirations? Your highest aspiration. Yeah, your highest aspiration was the first version of it, which is cool for people to experience when they're talking about podcasting from that beginning point of where we started with branding to it now. ⁓ And I remember you guys like recorded stuff and I did a re-recording, which is so, cool. So the song is still being able to make it in there as quick as it's taken so many shapes. But I think it, I Esther And Paul: It was your highest aspiration. The thing is that the song turned out to be phenomenal. It's such a beautiful song. Yeah. And it goes with it, right? Because you have to have this moment of just what you need to be able to go higher, you know? And that's the beauty of the song, right? If you haven't heard it here, If you haven't heard it in detail, the lyrics, right? It's like at the end of all the podcast, it's the full song. Kingsley: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think that, the first line is paving my own way. and I think when I first met you both, I read your book, you sent me your book. You were like, read the book first before we do the podcast. So you like get to know us. And what I, I mean, you sent me the book and the workbook and I got the workbook first, which is crazy. And then the book came a couple of weeks later and I'm like, well, I'm already doing the workbook. So I might as well. And I stopped doing the workbook and I just like read you your story of, know, becoming Esther and Paul. And I was just so inspired by just quite literally paving your own way of like just going against everything. And I've always been that way as a person. It was just so beautiful seeing it written in your way. So I was trying to capture that in the song. Yeah. Esther And Paul: Yeah, and it did. It's beautiful. It really did. And it's interesting because, you know, I'm so struck lately these last few couple months about how heavy things are in the world and how much... how much is happening in the world. And so every time that I click it, click to hear the song and I hear, and I hear your voice saying, can we go higher? Can we go higher? I'm like, yes, please, can we go higher? You know, so I can feel it and I love it so much. Kingsley: Yeah. ⁓ that's my goal with music. So that just makes my heart. I sang it to an audience actually and had them sing the higher higher part and it's very pretty. Yeah. Esther And Paul: Exactly. And it has the other meaning too, right? Because you're saying as we as a population, for me, I've always listened to as we as like, we like me, like we my inner self with my outer self. We as a me as a person. Can we go higher? We as in like, like the like the Rasta I &I. Right. Exactly. However, you know, that's what's beautiful about music, right? Kingsley: Yes! ⁓ Yeah, so I have to shout out ⁓ Jack Mortenson. He's the one who made the beat for me. he's produced a lot of my music for my first record and my second record. ⁓ and my third record. Jack was on Come and Find Me Too. ⁓ my gosh. So I've worked with this guy forever. And I always send him crazy voice notes. Like, I know he's like, I'm like, da-da-da-da-da-da. That's what I want to hear in that thing. And he just somehow comes back with it exactly what I want. But I'm like, so yeah, Jack. Esther And Paul: You Kingsley: Shout out to Jack for doing this project with me. Super, super awesome guy. Esther And Paul: So we haven't really talked, given you the chance to sort of introduce yourself because you are definitely a multi hyphenate in a lot of ways, right? That there's a part of you that is ⁓ a brilliant and inspiring musician. There's part of you that is a business coach. There's part of you that is about breath work. So how do you describe yourself? How do you see yourself? How do you sort of internally... Kingsley: ⁓ man. Esther And Paul: justify. mean and it's what we tell people is not by all these things that she does it's more about under all those things you have a certain... Kingsley: What's the like quick synapsis? I always say I'm a creative brand agency owner by day and indie pop artist by night and a breath work facilitator somewhere in between. But yeah, there's, mean, so much more to it of like just coaching, coaching. I'm, you know, coaching comes natural. I just feel like every, every project I do styling for people, like I've styled photo shoots, which is just crazy. People like give me their credit card and I go and buy stuff for their, their Esther And Paul: Yeah, exactly. That's beautiful. Yeah. Kingsley: photo shoots, which is just amazing. feel like I just get to do art every day and it's in some different, you know, medium. Esther And Paul: So how did it start? Why don't you share a little bit about your story? Because I know your story. I'm sure everyone else needs to hear your story too. Kingsley: my gosh, where did did art start? Where did art start? Where did it start? I just you know, I grew up in a white suburb of Chicago is called Plainfield, Illinois. It sounds just like it is plain and fields. ⁓ And you you have to you have to really be you know, you have to really blend in and you really have to ⁓ try to not make a lot of noise and just survive the best way you can. And so Esther And Paul: That does not sound like Kingsley at all. Kingsley: I know. So my real name is Mo. And when I was young, I created this like alter ego persona. I created Kingsley. And I remember going to like Google, we had our family computer downstairs. And I remember going to Google and I'm like searching names. And I search boy names and Kingsley comes up. searched boy, I think it was boy Hawaiian names. I don't know why. But that was the thing that I searched. And Kingsley came up. And it was like on Chicago when you hear the thing like Kingsley. And I that and I wrote it down on a sticky note and I ran upstairs and I told my mom and I was like, this is who I'm going to be. Like, this is the person I'm going to be. And years later, I went to like college for branding and marketing. Um, it's just, it's, it's, she quite literally saved me in so many different ways. Um, just when it comes to like stage fright, I just became this version of Kingsley when it comes to like. pursuing my dreams and not being fearful of what people think, I just became Kingsley because Mo didn't do it, Kingsley did it, you know? That it takes all the pressure off of having to explain yourself if you're someone else. And man, I'm just so thankful for her. She quite literally leads me to this day all the time. Esther And Paul: That's amazing. have a question for you. So ⁓ what did your mama say when you said, want to be Kingsley and this is who I want to be? Kingsley: She was like, I thought that would have taken you longer. She was just trying to me to do a task. She was like, oh my gosh, girl, I thought that would have taken you longer. Go back on the computer and search more things. My mom was the original person telling me I didn't have to be when she saw that I was taking to music, because I started like a girl band with my sisters. And kind of was like, well, you don't have to be this name. You can be anything you want to be. Esther And Paul: You Kingsley: sing any way you want to sing. You know, I had a guitar at the time. It was giving very much Taylor Swift ear, even though I'm definitely not, you know, Taylor Swift. So I tried on a lot of different personas because my mom was a person that's like, figure it out, try it out, you know, it's whatever you want. Esther And Paul: And I'm sure the road hasn't been, I mean, I know it hasn't been super straight and narrow, right? And so, I don't know, what is something that's kept you going, right, through? Kingsley: The road looks like a Portland Pride parade. is just nothing is straight over there. ⁓ It's just that's a very nice joke for my Portland people love you so much. ⁓ I don't know. When you started, the funny thing is we finished doing the branding for your podcast. I literally hit you up and I was like, I need you to coach me. ⁓ I'm depressed. I'm broke. I hate my life. Yeah. How are we this? So what's happening now? You're coaching me now. And ⁓ man, you got me through one of the One of the worst things of my life was just realizing I wasn't superhuman or just like I could feel all the things. I think I'd spent so much of my early adulthood. Like I got two college degrees. I moved to Portland. I worked for three venues. I did my record. I was touring, you know, and finally I moved across the country and I got back to America and I kind of, had no answers. I had no vision. I had no money. And that is just not who I am. I'm a person who always knows the next thing. And coming to you in the most vulnerable state of myself was one of the best things that could have happened. ⁓ I can't remember what we were talking about when it came to money and you were like, I just want you to get out of survival. Please stop asking me about Kingsley. Stop asking me about your music career. And I need you to just be happy every day. Okay, we'll get to the music. We'll get there. Which I mean, was great. We got there. We're get there. We're out there. So I think that's really great advice that Esther And Paul: has. And we got there. Kingsley: you gave me because I've spent so much time focusing on career. I've neglected a lot of I spent so much time on Kingsley. I forgot what Mo was like. I forgot what Mo deserved and what Mo wanted. Esther And Paul: Yeah. And the thing is, it's all connected. Like if you ever get, I mean, if you're watching the video, know, you know, like, can you, you're authentic, you're creative, you you think outside the box. And the thing is like, you bring that into all your spheres. You know, that's what I liked you were saying. Like those things that you were mentioning, you know, like the creative agency, right? The indie pop singer and the breath work, you're still bringing in. who you are in all three of those spaces. They're just different vehicles. But it was a way to monetize it, to be able to keep going, Kingsley: And you asked me, you asked me to like, what do you want to do? And that was the first time someone had asked me. what did I want to do because I went to college and I got the degrees and I moved to Portland and I worked for the venue and I you know, I knew I wanted to be a pop singer, but like in not even in between that it's like, okay, but that's just one thing. Like, what do you want to do in life? And that was a really hard question. Yeah, like, yeah, okay, music and what now? And I'm like, I don't know. It's always been music. I didn't know I had a choice. know I could do anything else. So that was really cool for, for Esther And Paul: Yeah. Exactly. Or where else do want to bring your gifts to? Kingsley: just discovering. Esther And Paul: And you're amazing at it. Like, if you do a photo shoot with Moe or Kingsley, depending, right? And so it's like phenomenal. I've seen him. Like you have to check out, you have to check out the website. It's like, has so many cool, because you help other people bring their authentic self. Kingsley: Yeah It makes me feel so fun! ⁓ Esther And Paul: It's not like a plain picture. It's not a plain picture. They're like funky and moving, right? They bring your whole personality out. And even like, you know, with our branding, you helped us think about that too. Like, what do we want it to feel like? Or even like when we were thinking about this, I didn't want to use any just jingle. You know, that's the whole point of like, everything's about. bringing the community together to form this podcast, right? Even it's based on questions, right? And I'm like, even that should be co-created. The song should be part of that. The song should be people like, and you brought that whole thing in there. And then even with like your media stuff where you're always like, okay, let's unpack this. Let's find the shortcuts. Let's make it happen. Right. And like, we learned like all the shortcuts, even like on another note, even like with Maximus acting, that's like taking, you know, it's moving forward, right? You helped us with that too. And it's, but it's all about that. Like being Being creative and bringing that authentic self. So on that note about authenticity, right? ⁓ One of the things you also helped us to untap that like sometimes because you were just saying like sometimes you don't know what that is What is what is your authentic self and I know that we've really benefited from your your breath work Which you have you call it breath play so and this goes with the audience question Okay, so a lot of people are scared about breath work, right because they think it's Kingsley: you Esther And Paul: A couple things. I'm going to tell you the three things I get from people. One is I've tried meditation, I've tried yoga, breath work's not going to work for me. I don't understand. I've seen it on TV where people just do one box breath and I don't see, I still, I don't feel calm. Kingsley: Yeah. Esther And Paul: They think, ⁓ is it all just woo woo? We're all for the woo woo. I love woo woo. But I know some other people, they're not there yet. They will be. We see people go from like, I don't want it, and then they love it, right? But they're not there yet. Or they see it contradictory to something, and I think they have to experience it to realize it's not. And then the third thing is, ⁓ Can you like describe it to me? Right? Like what is it? What are the... And I would love to do that on the show. Like I would love for you to show a couple and like that people can actually, cause they're listening to it in their car. I don't... Kingsley: I feel like Paul and I, cause I do breath play with Paul, Paul has even said like, I did a YouTube of the box and I didn't, I wasn't feeling it. Like, do you want to explain that Paul before I go into my whole spiel? Esther And Paul: Yeah, exactly. I mean, you know, this is your show, so there's that. Kingsley: HAHAHAHA ⁓ Esther And Paul: I mean, one thing I would add, mean, some of the pushback that we get is even, I would add a fourth one, which is, this is voodoo. It goes against my spiritual beliefs again, we're not against voodoo either. But I understand that it's, because I want Kingsley then to have the floor, right? But I think one of the things, right, we're trying to tie it and, ⁓ and we didn't even say you came to a retreat, is to show that it's, and the pictures in the museum, it's, Kingsley: Yes, I do! Esther And Paul: from all of our ancestors. ⁓ Kingsley: Yeah, well, I just want to start with the word breath work, right? That's why people don't like it because I don't like work Nobody likes work. So why would I ever do something with the name work in it? Like that's like intentionally setting yourself up for failure so whenever I teach breath I use the word breath play because We don't get to play a lot in life. We didn't get to play a lot in children. It was a very restricted time to play and it was a very I was like it was a very ⁓ Esther And Paul: That's true. Kingsley: Certain way you got to play right and so I really like saying breath play because during our time we're gonna play around with a bunch of things and Sometimes for Paul's like Paul I'll use ours like sometimes he'll come to the our session and I'll just be like what's happening and then I'll just think about like okay one time you had your back and I was like let's just make buzzing sounds that go down your back I don't know if that's gonna work or not, but that's what's on my heart and let's give it a try And then it was really helpful for him. I was like, I'm going to later do that for myself because it's amazing. ⁓ I think we really just forget that your breath has so many cool facets to it. And so I originally got into breath work ⁓ from my ex and we were having an argument. He's like, you literally need to breathe. You just have to calm down. I'm a triple fireside. I was not hurt by that because usually I'm hungry or I do need a breath. Those are the two things that I argue about. ⁓ Esther And Paul: That sounds like Paul. Kingsley: I think we were driving somewhere and we were quiet because we were hungry when I was at the Capitol. We were just silent because I'm hungry. I'm hungry. Esther And Paul: Yes. I'm like, I know this. I know what's going on. ⁓ Kingsley: So when I introduce people to breath or when I go to teach people breath, I'm coming back from the standpoint of like, it worked for me because I'm a chaotic person and most people are. So he taught me, the first breath he taught me was the breath of life. And that's in for four, hold for seven, out for eight. And that is a really great rooting, grounding breath. It's an internationally known breath. It's called the breath of life. And then COVID happens. Okay. Then we're stuck in a house together and I'm swiping on Instagram, my breath work, the breath of life. I don't need life right now. Okay. I need calm insanity. It's the opposite. And so I scrolled and there was this, ⁓ what is his name? Wim Hof, Wim Hof certification. Everybody knows Mr. Hof. I'm, this is my floor. So I'm going to talk a little trash. That, that marketing scheme, pyramid scheme genius. Esther And Paul: Hahaha! Yeah. Kingsley: You go across the world and you learn from somebody else and you come back and you charge people forever. ⁓ my gosh, the brilliance, the American capitalism in that marketing scheme. So I did that. got that. I got that ⁓ license and through whatever platform, I don't even know if it was really through Wim Hof. It's just going to be a person. have no idea. It was an ad. It was the most. It was the most iconic thing ever. They teach you this box breath. They teach you the Wim Hof, a specific technique that, that he uses. ⁓ that he took from other people and and claims as a done and ⁓ then weeks months later i joined mine valley act which is owned by the nation's are really incredible ⁓ in his happy have this thing called summer breath and it was with I can't remember his name, super amazing guy. And it basically was like breath to a beat. He taught you how to hold your breath for an extended amount of time within like one breath. When you first wake up in the morning, you breathe in, you breathe out and you time yourself. Immediate breath. Like cool, incredible stuff like that. And so soma breath is quite literally breathing to a beat. So I learned Wim Hof, I've learned this breath of life through my partner. I've learned this. Then I was like, okay, well, these are three men telling me what to do. And if I know anything about me, I don't like men telling me what to do, so let's start playing with this. So I started going to the steam room. This is after me and my ex broke up. I started going to the steam room and I started just doing crazy breaths in there, just seeing what things felt like, right? I, you know, then you go on YouTube, both by Sandy, super duper cool, dope guy. He does a lot of, ⁓ he does a lot of breaths to the beat. ⁓ Esther And Paul: you Yeah, he's cool. I also want to shout out for Brielle who we did a long-term training. was like, she does trauma informed and that was really cool. Yeah. She's on insight timer. Really cool too. Yeah. Kingsley: I think I clicked on her link from your newsletter actually. Yes. Okay, cool. ⁓ So yeah, so there again a woman that's who I want to go see because it's connecting more and no shade no tea to breath by Sandy because super amazing guy and I love his like welcome back. It's very much like your brain starts. That's some hypnosis because every time you hear that cadence which sidebar is why your podcast episode is so great because Esther And Paul: Yeah. Kingsley: ⁓ or your podcast song because you can go on a TED talk and play your song. You can host an event and play your song. And it's this thing of every time people hear that, they automatically get into the vibration that you're creating, right? ⁓ Esther And Paul: Exactly. Oh, I mean, we should should we should put a plug into that because you were saying in COVID you got introduced to breathwork. I'm going to I'm going to correct that a little bit. Kingsley has always been a singer, right? You're a musician. And when you're when you're singing, you're using your you are breathing and it's hard. Like I took singing lessons with Kingsley. Yeah. And wow, I was like, this is breathwork. Kingsley: haha Yes. Yes! Yeah, we have that straw. Esther And Paul: that you're doing in the shower and you're doing this and now I sing with my diaphragm. Exactly. So you were doing this your entire life, right? It's just like a new structure, but I just want to put that plug like it's not like, just COVID. No, no. Kingsley: as an athlete, right? So the word is, yes. So that was my connection that I realized I could do anything with breath. And so I have a performance breath where I literally tap my heart like you're at Madison Square Garden and you can hear your heartbeat and your dum-dum. And you breathe like you just, and then you get this vibration feeling of performing because that's the thing that stimulates. And then I have the coffee breath and then I have this, we're gonna do one, but I have the wave breath that literally you breathe in like a wave. You physically move your. Esther And Paul: ⁓ yeah, we have to do some on this, I think people are like, what? I need to try it out. Yeah. Kingsley: Yeah, we're going to do we're going to do the straw. But basically, like, even like my sessions with all of my clients, we kind of just try things. And like, if you get really, really, if you get results from this, then, then, then that's the thing. And the result varies. Like, if you want to feel more calm, we can do that if you want to feel where your anger comes from, if you want to get into a meditative state where you can tell your childhood self something, whatever is clever, like the sky is the limit. And so I just tell people like, Esther And Paul: And plus some releases, right? Kingsley: Like release, yeah, I do breath work a lot to cry because I'm in areas with a sedatary's father. So I'm working on my crying. I have to prompt myself. I'm like, need to cry. You gotta get this out. ⁓ Esther And Paul: I'm working on my screaming. I realize I've never screamed and I'm doing this audition and I can't scream. And it's like, and you need to scream. You're like, ⁓ my God, this is going to come out. Kingsley: The throat chakra, the throat chakra. There is a breath for that, lion's. The lion's breath is gonna be what you should use for that. It literally sounds like a lion, but we're gonna do the straw. So the one that I try to introduce everyone, and it's the like get over the woo woo, it's the non-believer breath that I call it. But truly it works, it works. I call it the balloon breath because you quite literally are gonna do a balloon. And I think. Esther And Paul: Okay. Kingsley: why my breath is so incredible is because it's not just sitting still and like containing your body. That is work. Like it is moving yourself around, expanding yourself, you know? And so it's through the straw, through your mouth. So your mouth is going to look like a straw and you don't have to sit straight. Everybody sits up straight immediately. I'm like, don't sit up straight because that's well, if your natural body isn't straight up, then don't do that to yourself. Esther And Paul: Okay, we're gonna do it with Kesa. That's true, I just did that. ⁓ Kingsley: because you will be straight at the end of this. it will, it will correct itself. And so through a straw, you're going to breathe in and you're going to hold it at the top. And actually this is how I start most of my breath sessions because it gets you right into it. And then when I say take in more, you're going to suck in more air and it'll naturally make you feel like a balloon. And then you're going to breathe in more, breathe in more, breathe in more. And then I'm just going to say release. And through that straw again, you're going to do that. Esther And Paul: Yeah, and sometimes, you know what's happened to in the beginning, just in case any listener happens to, sometimes I give myself almost like a natural brain freeze when I go too fast. Like you have like chlorine up your nose. So you have to like, I do it slow. Yeah, I might be the only one who gonna kiss. Kingsley: Really? Yeah, it's nice and slow. It's nice and slow. ⁓ We should say like if you're driving, no, would, have a brain freeze I like. If you're driving, don't do this while you're driving. ⁓ We don't have to say that. ⁓ I do it when I drive, but don't copy me. ⁓ Do as I say, not as I do. So taking in a slow, deep breath through your mouth and just hold it here. You don't have to close your eyes if that doesn't feel good for you or if it feels good, close your eyes. It's your time to shine. Esther And Paul: That's true. Kingsley: Taking in a bigger breath, breathe in. We're still holding it, take in more. Take in a little bit more. And then slowly but surely. So this time we're gonna do it with a little extra trick in there. We're gonna look up as high as we can go when we breathe in. So looking up to the sky, like you're looking into your brain. Breathing in. Hold it, look up. Breathe in more, keep looking up. Breathe in one more time. and then blink your eyes really fast and really hard, blinking, blinking, blinking, blinking while you're holding, and then slow breath out, close your eyes through that straw. Now this last one, keeping your eyes closed, breathe in, hold it, breathe in. Take in more. One more time. And this time yawning nice and slow out. Esther And Paul: It's my favorite. Kingsley: And that was, that is just 90 seconds. And so you guys see how you feel. Esther And Paul: so much. You know what this one's really good for too. I'll remember you talked about it. It's really good like well if you have children and they're driving you insane you can just go to the bathroom because you only have 90 seconds you know that you can leave them unattended. You just go in there and you do this a couple times and you come back and you're like okay I'm ready for you or for your parents like you dealing with your parents. could be your kids or your Kingsley: Yes! Yes. I'm ready for you. Or do it with your children. Do it with them. But also do it with your kids because they'll make a game out of the balloon. So I taught a bunch of middle schools. ⁓ I go to elementary school specifically, but middle schools. ⁓ I've noticed that elementary kids take the joke and they don't get the thing from it. But I noticed you could see the light switch on the middle schoolers when they like come out and they're like, I feel calm. Esther And Paul: Wow. Yeah. Thanks. Kingsley: I feel centered and I'm like, you just, you're about to come in, you just came from gym and you have all this and you're about to sit and take a math test, knock three balloon breasts out and let's go. Let's do it. Let's have a good time. Or you're in a meeting and someone has just pissed you off. I'm sorry, what did you say, So yeah, ⁓ that one, that's my, that's my one. And I've, trademarked it as balloon breath because yeah, you literally like blow yourself up, bring yourself down. It's my favorite one to do. It's a great way. so the I trick is a hypnosis trick, ⁓ which I've studied a lot of hypnosis with, what's that Maria something on YouTube. She's a, ⁓ Esther And Paul: Because it's always a sir. It's definitely a sir that just showed up. Yeah. Kingsley: lady from London, really awesome, Pierce, to look up and blink as fast. really just gets, and so if you do all of these things without saying it's breath work and hypnosis and stuff, and people see the results, then I tell them afterwards, I'm like, well, that was just voodoo. Ha ha, you've got a spell on you. It's a spell for calm. You have to be calm now. Esther And Paul: Hahaha! I can tell you what's interesting is that as you said, I do breath play with you. So having done the balloon breath, my body is immediately ready for like, what's next? Like, what's next? What's next? I'm all excited. But I can tell you that I have used your balloon breath. So I'm a breathwork facilitator. We've had the opportunity to do it in lots of different places too. Kingsley: Yes! ⁓ yeah, yeah! ⁓ I've done breath, you've done mine. I've been, yeah, yeah. Esther And Paul: I mean, I guess more than anything, I know that I am a ⁓ far better facilitator because of the work that I've done. Yeah, that's the thing. So that has been like really, really huge for me. But when we've done the balloon breath with people, it's really interesting because we've had people come back to us the next day and they come back and they say, ⁓ I'm a better parent because... Kingsley: Aww. Yes. Esther And Paul: Like I had an interaction with my kid that normally I would have lost my shit, but I used my balloon breath. And I was able to come back and have a conversation and create understanding that I wasn't able to do before. Or I was able to engage with these people that piss me off. Like you said, like you've helped Paul even come up with his like his own mix with like, you know, indigenous history, know, he gets, you don't know, Paul, Paul goes on a rabbit hole. Like when he likes something, it's like full on. So, yeah, he dug into all the different types, right? Because he loves Polynesian culture and the Taino and the Mayan, right? And you, Kingsley: Yeah. Yeah Okay. Same, same. Esther And Paul: You did, you came up with some really cool like where he mixes the humming with the rhythmic and like the cultural component of the ceremonial component. And I think like that's where he's been able to like, again, because you help people with their authenticity, right? Like what feels good for you and how could you incorporate breath? And you've, you've come up with a whole series that Kingsley: Yes, I love a hum. ⁓ Yeah. Esther And Paul: that really feels supernatural because it's all part of all of our culture. Kingsley: And Paula would ask when you're in it, do you just like, you don't even know how you know what you know next, but it's just the thing. It's just the thing. Yes. Esther And Paul: And it comes to him in visions. mean, I know a lot of people are like, ⁓ but as you start doing more breath work, you know, like I remember we had one person I came to her one time filming great. was like, I can't do this. can't do this. But I was coaching her and I'm like, you have to do this. Like you have so much anxiety. And finally she went the first time and she was like, okay, I'm, I feel calmer. didn't, nothing happened to me, but I feel calm. like, I'm not going even charge you. You're going to come to a couple of these. Okay. The next one was like, ⁓ I feel a little more relaxed. Okay. Kingsley: Yeah. Esther And Paul: Then the third one, finally was like, you know, let go of the control. And it was like, boom, was able to tap into visions and colors. And that's the thing that's hard to explain to folks is as you get let go of the control, your body gets oxygen, right? Now you can tap into things. And then all of a sudden, visions in every session. And now it's like, everyone needs breath work. Kingsley: Truly let go of it, yep. Literally, that's a poster child has a shirt that said did you breathe today? Yeah ⁓ Esther And Paul: so bright, right? But I mean, right? It's it's it's with practice, right? I can't say and so you use it for that. Kingsley: wouldn't even say practice because again, that makes people feel like they have to, it's just with continuing, it's like eating food every day. Like it's literally just eat your meal every day, do your breath every day. ⁓ But truly I think it's a letting go part. think when people, I mean, I would come out of the steam room and I would just lay on the ground and my body would be here, but I would be in whole nother world. And... ⁓ Esther And Paul: That's true, you're right. True. ⁓ Kingsley: I think outside of just like the calmness of their body and the like things with the people, you just get a sense of self better because right now everything feels like it's running you. Like, you know, you got anxiety, but you don't know where it comes from and stuff. And just like, it truly slows the thing down. Like a lot of stuff I do with a lot of my clients is just moving energy around. How can you move your energy around? If you can move it around, you can control it. If you can control it, you can change it. If you can change it, you can anticipate it. Esther And Paul: Yeah. Kingsley: You can do whatever you want. And so I really am, think that's why people are always like, your energy fills up the whole room. Well, yeah, babes, I put it in the whole room. I know how to put my energy in the whole room. ⁓ And those people that you meet that you're like, felt you, but you know, yeah, baby, that's my energy. Like I can breathe it and put it in my hand. I think Paul, the first ones we were doing, was like teaching you to just throw it in your hands, like a baseball. Esther And Paul: and And it was hurting, yeah. And it's amazing. It's the most phenomenal thing because it's such a physical thing. Like you're in it, and I mean, you're saying it and I hear your voice, right? And I immediately go back to that sensation of being in the room and I feel like this whole energy and then bringing it into myself and then manipulating it and moving it around is just, it's... Kingsley: and In a world of controlling, right? The people want to you all these overthinkers. Have you tried overthinking something positive? You never wanted to overthink the best scenario. All of these people who want to control something, that's something you can control. And I think that's why I felt so deep in love with breath work because I am the type A, I am a control freak. I like being in charge of stuff. I think I should be in charge. have leadership qualities. Why not me? And so when I got into breath, it was so phenomenal of getting to dictate and determine my feelings in the Esther And Paul: Exactly. Kingsley: that I wanted and it just it took my it took my confidence it took Kingsley to a whole different level it just made me like really really zone in on what the feeling is what am I feeling Esther And Paul: And the thing is, like what you were saying too, is, you know, because there's always like skeptics, right? But I'm like, look, science shows you that if you do this type of work, right? It repairs like eight parts of your brain too. And the thing is, people are like, ⁓ well, I don't know why I need that. Well, the thing is, if you don't process it out and you don't move that energy, it affects your tissues. It affects your cells. Everything. And the thing is, exactly. Kingsley: It takes your children's, your whatever you pass on to them. mean a guitar string vibrates every string next to it like the next to her, you know. Esther And Paul: And if you're like, oh, I don't know, well, you know, I tell her, get the hair test. Like that's what I did. You send your hair to a lab and it's going tell you how much cortisol and how much crap you're holding in your body. And then when you see that, you know what they tell you? Okay, you could change your diet, everything. But guess what you have to do? You have to do the emotional work. It's basically creates these shells on your cells and until you're letting in, releasing an oxygen. And this is something like you don't need. Oh, I remember this one. Kingsley: Hehehehehe! Exactly. Yeah. Esther And Paul: I'm gonna do a little side note. I remember somebody told us there was two people in our things that they used to be heavy drug users, right? Long time ago when they were like in their 20s and now they're professionals and everything and they were like, that was the closest to using drugs. Like, they were like, it was better. Kingsley: I literally tell people, I'm like, you get so, you get so, first off, I'm a very drug-positive person here. I work in the music industry. You can, if you do the balloon breath and then you hit a joint, my Lord, you'll be on another planet. My Lord, will be, sky's the limit. Well, I joke with people. I'm like, if, Esther And Paul: and they were like, it was better. like we don't even, it was bad. Kingsley: The crazy part about breath work is I feel so good and so high just in my room in the dark breathing than I do going out and drinking. I'm like, you can't explain the like revelation that you'll have. Nothing I don't like going out and having a glass of wine. But, baby, if I start my morning every day as if I hit a bomb but I'm just doing breath, you can't, you're unstoppable, babes. You're just unstoppable. Esther And Paul: I'm Yeah. You are. And everything like creativity, like it releases the emotions and the tension. I love it because I get the visions of my intuition, right? Like I'm very motivated by vision. So I need the visions, you know? Kingsley: Yes. The one thing we didn't do is ⁓ my introduction, usually my, so I have a 15 minute free session with people and we do the balloon breath. But the one thing that we do that makes the non-believers believe, right? The why do I need this? Is I was a kid who has dyslexia. I mean, I still have it, but I just don't. to say the name because the label is whatever. The letters are going to be whatever I want, okay? It's a made up language. And ⁓ so when you have dyslexia, you have to go to the special classes to read and they make you put your hand up to your ear so you can read out loud so you can hear what you're reading so you can process better because you you mix up the words in your head so you do it out loud. So one time I was like in this crazy breath session and my higher self was like, put your hands up in a telephone and speak. And I went, what do mean? What did Jesus say? I put my hands up and I started speaking out loud and you get to hear your own voice and it helps so much with affirmations because sometimes when you say the affirmation the brain goes no it's not no it isn't and when you do it that way when you put your ears your hands literally up to your ears and you speak into it that's the part where the non-believers start to believe because you quite literally can hear yourself And in a world that has spoken so much into you, it is the most profound experience after the balloon breath to hear your own voice. Esther And Paul: Yeah. No, it's so powerful and, everyone needs it. Like, you know, I had this other, ⁓ just cause we're answering questions from the audience. had someone recently tell me I'm fine. I'm super successful. don't need, ⁓ don't need your workshops. I don't need breath work. And I said, I said, I want to ask you a question. said, have you had anything medical in the last year? Because high achiever type a, all these types of people are all of us like trying to move the needle and change the world. We're the ones most likely to end. up in the hospital with stress-related things. Kingsley: But you know what they said? They said, I'm fine. I said, do you want to be great? Do you want to be amazing? Yeah. I'm like, nah, I don't really enjoy fine. Like if I just said the meal was fine, would you be okay with that? No. Esther And Paul: Exactly. Do you want to be more than fine? What? His answer. Exactly. But his answer was no, I was in the hospital last year and I'm like, exactly. So you're not. Exactly. So so no, yes. The other part of success is fine. Would you need the other success part is your your your well-being, your inner self. Are are you connected with you? Kingsley: Yeah, I could've guessed it, shorty. You're roaring it all over your inner chamber. No. And the thing is, I'm not here to convince anyone listening to this podcast to do that, because I'm team do whatever it takes in life, but do whatever because it's your world. It's your life. But you made it this far doing it that way. Maybe try it another way. Maybe. Esther And Paul: Right, exactly. Kingsley: You know, like I'm gluten-free, dairy-free, soy-free, and it sucked when I started having to cut my diet. And I went, you know what, you had cheeseburgers for 28 years. You can go 28 years without cheeseburgers. You're gonna be okay. It's gonna be fine. ⁓ So yeah, you don't have to do it, but you know, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe one year. And if you hate it, if it doesn't do anything, jump back, jump back. You got 50 years more, so you're fine. You'll be okay. Esther And Paul: If you hate it, don't do it again. Do that. And the crazy part is that breath work, think before I was the per- I wasn't even the person that was like, ⁓ yoga and Meditation don't work for me because my head was so loud. But then breath work helped silence those noises and it gave me a piece of calm. But then now, because of that practice, I can meditate and I can do yoga. Right. And it's just that before I needed this guidance, this guidance thing before I even go to that. Like that's how loud it was in my head. I think there's a lot, though, right? Because part of it also is like if you're in a good Kingsley: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Esther And Paul: breathwork environment, you have a safe space. And I think a lot of people don't even have that safe space or don't know how to create it. So I know that like some of the experiences that we've been able to lead, a big powerful part of it is being able to be in a place with other people and have other people be vulnerable and have other people like. Kingsley: Yeah, show what they can have. Esther And Paul: And I think that's really powerful for a lot of people. in a room where you hear the other person cry or... Kingsley: And I think that's why I like my one-on-one sessions. I think that's why I even said, don't straighten up, because you won't be in the perfect setting for it. You might only have 90 seconds to breathe really quickly and move and have to do whatever it is in life. And I think that's why I like it as breath play, because every day I'm playing with something in my life to get something from my breath. ⁓ which is, mean, I've been very lucky to get to go to retreats and lead sessions and do all of that stuff. But I really enjoy just showing people like, it doesn't need to be fancy, baby. You don't have to be on a white beach sand. You should be on a white beach sand. You definitely should. But sometimes you're in playing field, in LA, sitting at your parents' kitchen table and your dad has said something and you got 90 seconds. Yeah, sometimes it's just like that. Esther And Paul: of that. Yeah. And we've it there. Exactly. I mean, I know what you're saying that people shouldn't, I at least want everyone to try it. I know we're saying, okay, we're not trying to convince, but I think there's a lot of value in people just at least being open to try it. And like my whole mission and vision is to support all of us here. So I'm like, give it a try. And you're going to see that it's all of a sudden you're like, why does it feel so natural? Because this is my other thing. It's been gate kept by super corporate or, know, or corporate or Kingsley: Oh, woo, cop capitalist white man. Esther And Paul: or rich, white. the thing is that, you know, so it's been gate kept, it's been told that it's from that population. And look, and I'm all for, I'm great. I'm happy that they are providing that for the population. But I think there's so many of us that think that that's the population it goes to, right? That it's just like, Kingsley: Esther, that's why you're you because I'm not happy that they're providing it. Somebody else should do it. No, absolutely not. They're destroying the breathwork community to be honest, but I think because they make it seem like it has to be these things. think that's why I like when I first, I, cause you know, I'm a person who like, I'm kind of like Paul, like I get so deep into it. Like, and so when I first learned WIM, right, it's the sitting up straight and it has to, and you have to do, you know, Esther And Paul: I mean, I'm glad that they are doing it for their population. ⁓ well, there's that. But I'm like, yeah. That's true. Kingsley: You know, and it's just, it, and then sometimes I would have these really crazy sessions and then when I didn't hit this thing, I felt like, ⁓ I just wasted it. Or if I couldn't get into it, it just didn't feel good because I'm chasing after this high. Or if I go into it every day being like, well, let's see what today creates. It's just a much better day. Esther And Paul: failed. ⁓ that's true. Yeah. Kingsley: And if one breath work isn't technique isn't working while I'm doing it, I'm saying isn't working because whatever I'm trying to achieve, I just don't feel it. I just take a deep breath in and hold my breath for a couple seconds. And then I'm like, let's try this. Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. I don't even know what sound I just made. It just felt really good saying it out. You know what I mean? Like it's just so playful. And I think the people who are in charge of it right now, all shade and all tea to them. You guys are the reason why it is the way that it is right now. Because you made it in this Western structured Esther And Paul: Yeah. Kingsley: Capitalistic way and I mean I do if you're gonna do it on this part I do 15 minute free sessions purposely free Just try it for free and then go to my youtube channel and replicate the thing that we just did together I literally make the 15 minute one on YouTube as well So you can get a free session in person with me and then go and do it free forever, you know I just Esther And Paul: That's true. Yeah. Yeah. And we used to provide it to the community too, but it's that, You're saying like there needs to be more people that look like all of us doing this practice. Is this practice is ours? And that's, that's, the thing is that the poster shows this certain like hippie Santa Barbara person. And that's why I like, I'm, again, I like all people knowing about breath words. I'm like, great. Like I'm like Santa Barbara, you know, has it, I do agree with you that the industry has, there's, there's so much there to unpack, but in terms of the gate Kingsley: It truly is. Esther And Paul: It doesn't mean that just because it's there doesn't mean that it's not ours too. We shouldn't practice. I don't want to call it practice. We shouldn't be doing it. We shouldn't be part of our everyday. It should be. Kingsley: You can call it practice girl, because if practice feels good to you, practice feels good to you. I just ride a track and field in college and I hated practice. Esther And Paul: Yeah, it's like, I guess for me, I don't mind. I like work, right? So for me, like, meaningful work is my jam. Kingsley: I have on my calendar music rehearsals every Thursday from 6 to 8. Baby, I have not rehearsed one day because one thing about me is I will not. I don't like the music rooms. I don't want to be in there. I want to be in the streets. Yeah. Esther And Paul: you know, we can't be scared of it, you know? And so it's like, want our people to try, the minute they try it's like, yes, it's so natural to you because it's part of our DNA. But I get, No, please. Kingsley: Okay, so the last- ⁓ no gullible. No, no, you're good. Esther And Paul: No, I was going to say that that I mean, I think I really resonated with what she said, because I know that whenever we sit down to a session, especially with people who don't know us and haven't done it before, the first thing we say to them is that there's no wrong way to do this. Exactly right. This is it. This is for you. This is how you feel it. Whatever you need to do to make this right for you. That's that is what is right. Yeah. And the other thing that struck my mind is just because you said it, I think that one of the most unexpected things that I love from doing Kingsley: Yeah. Esther And Paul: breath work, which I learned from you, has been the practice of breath holding. Kingsley: Yes! Esther And Paul: And it's really fascinating. It's so true. It's really hard. It's so unnatural in a sense. But once you once you've taken in so much air and this is what Kingsley always says to me, right? Like you because you do it at the sort of like towards the end of the the of the session, right? You've had so much air moving in and out and you're holding and in that moment, all I hear is her voice saying your body has everything it needs right now. You don't need to breathe. You don't need more oxygen. And then like the control and really the inner power that you feel in that moment, that something so fundamental that you have the ability to control it in that moment feels amazing. Kingsley: Yeah. And we did, Paul, we did breath holds on ⁓ in the inhale. And you said that you were like, I didn't know how the inhales were going to go. A lot of people do breath, breath, breath holds on exhalation. And those are really great. But the magic happens on the inhales because all of this, all the corzoles, we can, we can use the scientific thing of going up the parasympathetic nerve, you stimulating the pineal glands. but the truth of the matter is it just is this incredibly tingly sensation. And what I try to like the best way, like the best metaphor is when you fill your car up with gas and you start driving it, you, you're full of gas and you drive for as long until you don't, you have to fill up again. And that is what holding, like putting a bunch of air in your body is. You will hold it until you need to get gas again. And it's such a cool experience. That's where the true magic of breath happens is, is in, is in the holds. It really is. And it's the pause to take. And I think that's why doing it quickly in the balloon breath of just like holding it, can quite literally feel, you know, that, that fizzy. So, so we do it, we do it. It's just trickled in there, you know, that's the thing. It's all, all the things are in the very first balloon breath, but I will tell people, you know, all of the things that are in there, cause that's, you know, the science woo woo stuff that loses people. But yeah, we do, we did the inhale. That's why we do it like that on. Esther And Paul: Thank Kingsley: ⁓ on the the top or the holding at the inhale. Esther And Paul: You know, for our son, Maximo, that's been a good breath too when he's like nervous. ⁓ His nervous is connected to his gut, his nerves. So when he's super nervous, his stomach begins to hurt. And I don't, you know, we don't give him any medicine. We just like breathe. And it's because we did it with him since he was little. Kingsley: Yep. Esther And Paul: Like at the minute I tell him to breathe, he goes into it or right before he gets a vaccine. All that stuff. Like we do that and he can, he immediately goes like from being pale to colors. It's pretty, it's really magical. And the more you start with people like that, like even smaller, it becomes muscle memory for them. Like it's so much harder for us like older, but then it does, but it does for us, but also become. Kingsley: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's why I love going to, you know, elementary schools. That's why I love going to elementary schools. Yeah. Esther And Paul: this muscle memory that's really easy. And actually what's interesting is that, you know, we were like, oh, it's not for me. Well, the Navy SEALs do it before negotiation. Diplomats do it before a negotiation. So why can't it all of us? Yeah, exactly. They all, the performers, I mean, you're performer, you you do it before. Walk us through Kingsley some, what do you want? We did the balloon breath. Are you, or also Paul, if you want to. What can, what can, what can, it's another one that they can take with. Kingsley: Beyonce does it before. You don't want to be Beyonce? I'm with wave breath is one of my favorite ones and it's for creativity. So you can breathe through your nose or your mouth. It's whatever feels comfortable. But the idea is when you breathe in, you rock yourself back. And when you breathe out, you rockers, you quite literally make a wave with your body. And I personally like to include my hands. I personally like to include my neck. It's up to you. But before we do that, we're going to do my favorite thing, which is tapping yourself down. So on your clavicles, these are called K-27s. You're just going to take your hands. Esther And Paul: Let's do it. Kingsley: and push into them like quite literally tap and you're supposed to push hard. Paul goes crisscross because that feels more comfortable. Yeah. And I you to like really hit yourself and we know EFT tapping is so good for you, but I don't even tell the science behind that. I just say tap your clavicles, you know, and hit them really hard. Esther And Paul: I have trouble reaching. I feel like a chicken if I go like this. But if anyone wants to look it up, you can look it up. Kingsley: Yeah, and then your cheekbones. ⁓ gosh, it feels so nice to just hit your cheekbones and you're doing it too soft. Girl, I want you to really, yeah, wake up the muscles in there. And then your third eye, really, you should be a little red afterwards on yourself. That's how you know you did it right. And then that top of the head. We love that crown chakra. And just taking a deep breath in, bringing your shoulders up to your ears and a slow breath out, smiling, bringing your things down, just smiling because why not? Like, why not? Esther And Paul: tonight. Kingsley: taking a deep breath in, rocking yourself back. And a deep breath out, rock yourself forward. And in. And out. I like to do this to a beat. So you could do this to the higher beat if you wanted to, that instrumental just in and out. And just thinking what a wave feels like. To hold so much energy. Yeah, you could play it during this part. Esther And Paul: They can see the full song on the show notes. Kingsley: And just feeling what a wave quite literally feels like as you're doing this motion, continue moving yourself back and forward to feel so strong as a wave to move something completely forward, but to be so open and water to flow around. What a feeling to be solid and a liquid and a solid and a liquid. What does that feel like for creativity to be all of these things at one time? Your wave of creativity to think of this idea that connects to this idea that connects to this idea keep breathing in and out moving yourself as a wave moving your arms and I want you to really make a sound with yourself And then taking a deep breath in here, holding it at the top and putting your hands on your heart and just feeling this motion in your physical body. You might still feel like you're rocking. I just pictured myself in the middle of the ocean just feeling what that rocking feels like. Slow breath out, bring yourself down into this space. Putting it down into your belly where your creativity is in that second chakra. right below your belly button, holding yourself right there, and then hold right above your belly button. That's in the do it chakra, to get it done. And just tell yourself, man, everything that I want to do is coming to me in dreams, in moments of TV. I don't have to look for inspiration because I quite literally am inspiration. Just holding yourself for a second because you deserve to be held. You deserve to hear your creativity. You deserve to act on your creativity. You deserve to be the art that people study hundreds of years from now. Ache! coming back into the room, opening your eyes up. That's just two quick minutes, right? And that's the wave breath. I just wasn't feeling very creative and I just started just moving like a wave because what is creativity but being in flow state? So what does flow state feel like? Well, flow feels like a wave. Well, what does a wave feel like? know, well, it feels like buoyancy and rocking, but it feels heavy and, you know, crashing and yeah, yeah. Esther And Paul: amazing. Thank you so much. Thanks for watching. One of things we haven't talked about is sort of the energetic movement that comes with breath work. mean, as soon as I moved in the wave with the breath, I could feel the energy sort of flowing in this circular motion around me. And you're moving oxygen through your body. Kingsley: Yeah, I think that's why I call it breath play because I do, you know, we do the tapping, we do the, we do the hypnosis, we listen to the music and we're moving and it's, and it's breath and it's affirmations and it's, so many things into one because you deserve to have all of these tools in your toolbox to get you through the many lessons of life. And so Esther And Paul: Exactly. I love taking what you have learned from you. Even, could tell you, like, I do like 10 minutes of dance a day. And even when you're dancing, you could be breathing. Kingsley: Hey. Even when we were singing, you were moving your arms. I'm like, where is the note? We're moving our arms. Follow the trail of the note. It's word painting. Where is the note going? And yeah, I just hope people get inspired to do the impossible things with yourself because every day it looks just more possible. Esther And Paul: I love it so much. I want to give a quick plug. I know that, how do I say? I don't know. I don't even know what the preamble is that I want to give, but I want to give a quick plug to any of the men who are out there listening who have never tried this. I personally believe that this is one of the most in the most positive and authentic ways possible. One of the most masculine things you can do because it's something that makes you feel good. It makes you feel strong inside, right? I think it's the true definition of masculinity where you feel strong in the way that is something that brings positivity out and that in your strength you uplift others as well. It's not a strength that draws from others and it's not a strength that imposes on others and it's not a strength that is violent in any way but it's something that fills you up inside with something you didn't even know that you needed a lot of times. So and I say that because I'm a huge advocate for a different kind of masculinity and I think that this is a really really crucial Kingsley: Go. Esther And Paul: tool that people can be using to really bring to themselves the awareness and the strength. And I know that that's true for everyone, but I know also that men are oftentimes really hesitant to try these kinds things. You know what I mean? Kingsley: Yeah, I mean, they're doing breath when they're in the gym lifting weights. yeah, so it's just a different version of it. And it's actually, I think you'll do better in weights and sports if you do breath. yeah. Esther And Paul: for Yeah. Yes. Even even Pilates, because we go to Pilates, you're constantly breathing. you've already done like breath. Kingsley: there was like whole breathes through the hole but I'm I'm holding I'm holding I'm not breathing Esther And Paul: Yeah, exactly. And we saw that with the community, the men, the men that came and they were able to be vulnerable. That was actually great for all genders because the women also were looking like, wow, I didn't know men could be so vulnerable. It was nice to be in a safe space with other men. And so all of this is like equally important. And plus being able to... Kingsley: Yeah. Esther And Paul: to then be able to be vulnerable with your partner as well. And yeah, it has so many benefits. Again, this is why I want everyone to try it. Like, all... Kingsley: I'm a very masculine person, so it's definitely helped me because I'm like the eldest sister, you know, I'm very, I'm very masculine forward when it comes to things and it's definitely helped me. I don't want to use the word soften because that's not true. ⁓ Triple fire sign here. There's no such thing as soft over here, but it has, it has really made me value. ⁓ Just the way in which I go through life in, in such a, such a force, like it's such a brute force way. Esther And Paul: It's whatever energy you have. Kingsley: And it's so much stronger because of the way that I do breath. Like there is no denying inequalities about me because of the breath work. So if you want it to be more of a masculine man, breath work. If you want it to be more of a soft, feminine woman, breath work. If you want it to be a soft, feminine man, breath work. you want, like, breath work is the answer for whatever thing that you want to vibrate in life, breath. Just doing it. Esther And Paul: Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And for me, it really, really helped me with my anxiety. Because the thing is, you pass it on to people. And I noticed that because when you're around people, when I'm around people who are anxious, they pass it to me. And so I didn't even realize I was passing it on and being able to control my own. Because then people are like, ⁓ I don't know why the people around me are anxious. You have to also step in the mirror. Are you anxious? I remember the first time a therapist told me I was anxious. was like, I'm anxious? Why? You're wrong. Kingsley: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. They were like, girl, you paid me. ⁓ Legally, I'm going to tell you the truth. It's helped me with my depression. I'm not a very depressive person, but it's gotten me out of some lows, out of some lows, ⁓ and stopped me from having lows. Esther And Paul: I'm fine. Yo, you are, you are high functional anxiety. Mm-hmm, it's an idol. Yeah. And if you have safety as a motivation where you're constantly looking at like, what can I control? What can I not? Like you said, it's like the best. But even like if you're a person who's motivated by visions, like we get the visions, or you, but growth, constantly... It's anyways, I'm gonna keep pig-pulling your blood. Kingsley: Yeah. Okay, so the title of this episode is like, you better do breath. ⁓ did you breathe today? Question mark that's gonna be ours. Esther And Paul: That's different. Yes, it's like, just what you needed, breath. But I love that with you, you burn in everything, like in your music, in your creativity. Kingsley: Even in our branding sessions, like I make people do breath before we do branding because I'm like, let's get into your dream state so that I can get your brand right on the first. That's why I'm so good at people's brands because I'm like, let's talk about the highest version that you want to be. And then let's make a brand for that because I'm not doing this again. There's no rebranding over here. This is going to be who you are. ⁓ And ⁓ yeah, well, even when I'm saying the highest, like you're what you needed was definitely the, ⁓ Esther And Paul: Yeah. And the ones you've done are amazing. Yeah. Kingsley: the version of your brand. We just didn't know what the name was yet. It was all written in the stars. Esther And Paul: Exactly, exactly. It was exactly 100%. Kingsley, so if people wanted to get a hold of you, what do you want people to know? Where should they go? Any parting words. Kingsley: Yeah, ⁓ my gosh, my heart. Yeah, yeah, parting words goodbye. ⁓ Esther And Paul: You Kingsley: If you want, like I talk a lot of trash on TikTok. So if you're like in in a mood to like, to laugh, go to my TikTok, which is just Kingsley music. If you want to stay informed with like my musical journey, like the professional version, Instagram is Yo Kingsley music. If you want to talk branding, I do, ⁓ I do coffee chats. Like I love talking to people. We will stay here for hours. ⁓ so that's kingskitchenmedia.com. And then if you wanted to do like merch stuff, cause I really don't merge. or go to my Patreon and give me money for art, which I would love. It's imkingsley.com. Esther And Paul: Yeah, oh, and Kingsley's music's phenomenal. I have it on, always on play. I that's my favorite song. I listen to it all the time. It's like on repeat. Can, before we sign off, can you talk a little bit about the books? Kingsley: Your favorite song's Omi. Yes, so that is the thing that, you know, breathwork has really gotten to me. You might have said breathwork so much. Breathplay ⁓ is this creative version of myself that I didn't even know I had access to. So one time when I was doing the amazing breath session, I was trying to dream up how I wanted to do my Kickstarter. And one of the concepts and ideas was having a listening party where we would present these cocktails and you could drink the music, right? We'd make three cocktails for three of the songs. Well, then COVID happened, which amazing. And I had to re-envision what it was going to be like. So instead of it being a physical show that you went to, we created a cocktail book where each song on my record is re-envisioned as a specialty cocktail. And then I tell secrets about the songs, I tell fun facts, or just like the footnotes. And there's beautiful artwork drawn by Diamond, my brother's fiance. She did both my books, one and two. And so it's just a really cool way to experience music. And I think now that I'm like it's all done. It's like the way that we would get the CD and you would unfold the like inside of the pamphlet. It's literally like that. But a cocktail book. So if you like to make drinks, if you're a mixologist, or if you just like music and drinking, that's it's the perfect book for you. And the cool one is my second book is with my third record and the full third record isn't out. So every time a song comes out. I have a Zoom party where everyone makes the cocktail together and we drink and we listen to the song and I tell secrets and it's just really cute. So it's like a really cute way that like every release people are like getting the book to be like, I'm gonna be at the Zoom ⁓ listening drink party. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which is so, so many things. Esther And Paul: ⁓ it's so fine! I love that. That's amazing. love that. So follow Kingsley, follow the music. You need branding. You have some really cool like packages. Happy Hour, VIP, all these cool stuff we've done that are amazing. And I think we answered the question from the audience about Brecht and why you need it and why you got to try it. Kingsley: soon. I think we're too big of a line. Esther And Paul: Well, thank you so, so much. As I tell, you know, I say this to all our guests because our guests are awesome. But any time you ever want to be back, we would be so glad to have you back. ⁓ For those of you who are out there listening, keep on because you're about to hear her amazing song right after we sign up, sign off. And I hope this was just what you needed. Kingsley: Yeah. be honored.