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Full Episode: TV's Kadine Anckle on producing Robin Roberts & Jeanine McLean manages Alicia Keys, Elle Varner and H.E.R. · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: Jeanine McLean. She is the president and marketing partner of
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  Speaker 1: m b K Entertainment, My Brother's Keeper. Nb K Entertainment
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  Speaker 1: is a multimedia company established in nine six. N b K,
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  Speaker 1: which is My Brother's Keeper created. It means for founder
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Robinson to change the tides and offer professional or
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  Speaker 1: trying to individuals trying to make a break into the
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  Speaker 1: entertainment world. Lord knows I needed because I was in
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  Speaker 1: the l at nineteen naties to try to tell jokes.
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  Speaker 1: NBKA Entertainment was based on concepts that usher and great
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  Speaker 1: just name a few. Truth Sold Live R and B
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  Speaker 1: and breakthrough songs or the foundation of m b K.
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  Speaker 1: For almost twenty years, Janine has gone to the reputation
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  Speaker 1: for being a hard nosed businesswoman, but with a nurturing spirit.
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  Speaker 1: You know, nurturing we need that taking that autist from
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  Speaker 1: the regular basis. First with Alicia Klees and now with
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  Speaker 1: her H E. R. She has owned the show to
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  Speaker 1: right now. In fact, Marina, they're right. Please welcome to
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  Speaker 1: Money Making Conversation. Janine McLean. How you doing? Jan name okay,
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  Speaker 1: Hi Hi Rashean? How are you? You know, having your
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  Speaker 1: whole life and thank you for coming on Money Making Conversations.
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  Speaker 1: Your whole life and just like my life has been
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  Speaker 1: with when you're dealing with talent, you tend to talk
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  Speaker 1: about them and you know more about them. Sometimes you
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  Speaker 1: know about yourself. I remember I would tell people managed
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  Speaker 1: Steve hard for sixteen years and I knew his blood.
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  Speaker 1: I know we would like to eat, would like to
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  Speaker 1: do for breakfast? I know what time, what he didn't
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  Speaker 1: like on a private jet. I knew what you want,
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  Speaker 1: liked on his uh, his writer when he did concerts.
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  Speaker 1: You get to know these individuals and they take on
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  Speaker 1: a lot of part of your life. How do you
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  Speaker 1: maintain your life? Wow, that's a that's a great question,
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  Speaker 1: and that's such a true statement. You you really do
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  Speaker 1: have to be so focused on the talent that you
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  Speaker 1: work with. I mean, that's that is the job. That's
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  Speaker 1: the job is is making sure that they're always taking
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  Speaker 1: care of so that they can focus on their craft,
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  Speaker 1: being creative. And that is the business. So within that though,
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  Speaker 1: you have to have the balance of time. You have
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  Speaker 1: to time manage so that you know, there is always
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  Speaker 1: a day or two or if it's during a very
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  Speaker 1: busy week, you have you know, hours during the day
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  Speaker 1: where you're gonna say, you know, this is for me.
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  Speaker 1: If if me as you know, as a woman, if
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  Speaker 1: I like to get massages, I'd like to get facials.
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  Speaker 1: I make sure that that's that's a carve out and
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  Speaker 1: that's a clear conversation with the client. Is that I'm
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  Speaker 1: no good to you if I'm not good to myself.
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  Speaker 1: And and that's an understanding. And you know, we we
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  Speaker 1: have very human conversations and that you know, we're all humans.
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  Speaker 1: We all have needs and just like how you you
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  Speaker 1: have needs to be great, I have needs to be
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  Speaker 1: great as well. So when you start out with a
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  Speaker 1: very clear understanding, there's uh, there's there's uh expectations that
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  Speaker 1: are not exceeding reality. You know, yes, I am asleep
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  Speaker 1: from you know, twelve to seven am. I need that
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  Speaker 1: And and that's an understanding. It's interesting because you but
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  Speaker 1: you have to get there though, Janine, I know that.
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  Speaker 1: I remember in two thousand I was doing sitcoms. I
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  Speaker 1: was coming off of The Parkers, which started Monique at
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  Speaker 1: the time, and I started managing Steve and two thousand
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  Speaker 1: I remember I worked and that was a new experience
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  Speaker 1: for me because I was learning on the job and
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  Speaker 1: I didn't take a vacation. I'd like to believe for
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  Speaker 1: like eighteen months. I just worked every day, learning and
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  Speaker 1: observing and trying to be ahead of the game. Because
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  Speaker 1: I always tell people, if you manage somebody, if they
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  Speaker 1: ask you a question, it's nice to have an answer.
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  Speaker 1: It's nice to not say you can't say I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: You say that I don't know enough you're not managing
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  Speaker 1: that person anymore. And so when were you able to
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  Speaker 1: make that shift? You know, because of the fact that
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  Speaker 1: my time is valuable to me as a manager. I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking to Jannie McLean, she's the president managing part of
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  Speaker 1: m b K Entertainment, my brother's keeper. When did you
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  Speaker 1: make that shift when you said, okay, it's about me, um, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I did do it relatively from the beginning. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I mean at that time, you know, my son was
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  Speaker 1: was young. He was you know, just in kindergarten at
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  Speaker 1: the time. So you know, there had to be an
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  Speaker 1: understanding that while I'm um in this position of management
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  Speaker 1: and creating you know, um individuals and taking them with
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  Speaker 1: their talents from ob security to start them, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm basically taking care of someone else's child bring them
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  Speaker 1: to their level of success. And I would have the
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  Speaker 1: honest conversation while I'm taking care of you that someone's child,
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  Speaker 1: my child is not going to now be put in
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  Speaker 1: someone else's hands to be taken care of. I need
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  Speaker 1: to make sure that that he's good too. So so
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  Speaker 1: he would travel with us at times, um, all around
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  Speaker 1: the world. Actually he would. He would have a seat
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  Speaker 1: right on right on the plane along with everyone else,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, he was part of the travel party.
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  Speaker 1: And then um, you know, if I had to leave
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  Speaker 1: at a certain time, and again, yes I had people
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  Speaker 1: to help, and you know, of course it was not ridiculous,
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  Speaker 1: but you know it's again it's a conversation of you know,
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  Speaker 1: UM from the beginning. Again, it's from the beginning, the
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  Speaker 1: understanding that we're all in this together. I'm gonna do
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  Speaker 1: my part to help you. And obviously we've done it
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  Speaker 1: very successfully as you can see. Um. But again, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's just that that honesty of the conversation. I think
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  Speaker 1: some folks, um, maybe I'm not gonna say intimidated, but
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  Speaker 1: maybe they don't want to tell an artist know or
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  Speaker 1: I can't do this, So no, I'm available seven, which
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  Speaker 1: which you are by phone in certain ways. But but
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  Speaker 1: but it's okay to say from the beginning that we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna respect each other's you know, needs and and and
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  Speaker 1: carve out that space. Now now, I think the one
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  Speaker 1: difference though, one difference here that's important to note is
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  Speaker 1: that we started working with artists before they were superstars.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, if you go to work with somebody when
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  Speaker 1: they're already superstar, that's kind of a different Then there
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  Speaker 1: we go and there we go because they are already
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  Speaker 1: in that mind space. So if you come into this
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  Speaker 1: space at that point, you know, it's it's it's it's
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  Speaker 1: a whole different role you're stepping into. But when you're
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  Speaker 1: growing with someone and you know, and taking them from
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  Speaker 1: that space up to that super sodom level, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: a little different. I have to say that. Well, you
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  Speaker 1: know that it's funny you say that because of the
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  Speaker 1: fact that you know, we met long time ago with
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  Speaker 1: uh Steve and I was doing radio in l A
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  Speaker 1: and uh the Beat, and that's when Alicia Keys first
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  Speaker 1: broke big broke out, and I remember I was watching
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  Speaker 1: her on TV and as I told Steve was saying,
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  Speaker 1: I said, she's gonna She's gonna break because, Uh, it
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  Speaker 1: was just something special about it. That's what you were
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  Speaker 1: talking about. A talent that as you nurture along and
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  Speaker 1: then you break with her, then your energy is kind
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  Speaker 1: of like in the same plane when you just come
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  Speaker 1: in and you got a talent. Like when I met Steve,
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  Speaker 1: Steve was pretty much a star in the black community.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he had already hosted showtime at Apollo, So
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  Speaker 1: I came into this world and you know, he was
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  Speaker 1: selling our venues, he was selling that comedy club, so
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  Speaker 1: he was established a name. I just had to nurture
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  Speaker 1: him and put him in the position where he crossed over.
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  Speaker 1: That was my big challenge at the time, which we
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  Speaker 1: all see has been paid off as a book writer,
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  Speaker 1: a movie producer, a television star. Now, when you see
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  Speaker 1: somebody like Alicia Keys, who brilliant talent with her and
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  Speaker 1: the and the Bermuda when she came in and did
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  Speaker 1: the show for us over there, and just watching the
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  Speaker 1: boards of talent talk about like you said, me somebody
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  Speaker 1: when they're young, and then watching them grow, watching them
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  Speaker 1: make you know, life decisions, whether they go to date somebody,
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  Speaker 1: and where they're gonna move, where they're gonna live, and
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  Speaker 1: then they saw the asserting what they wanted to do
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  Speaker 1: in their career. Yes, well, I will say when Alicia
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  Speaker 1: was fourteen, that's when she was discovered by my business partner,
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Robertson. So um I came on board. She was
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  Speaker 1: that I want to say she was nineteen at the time,
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  Speaker 1: so she was she was a little bit further along,
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  Speaker 1: but still not you know Alicia Keys that we know
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  Speaker 1: today's superstar. So she was still you know, uh, finding
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  Speaker 1: her way from um the very uh let's see minimal
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  Speaker 1: means of the financial comfort, you know, working her way up.
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  Speaker 1: So so I was there too to see that transition
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  Speaker 1: from from you know, still the very beginning of the
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  Speaker 1: stardom to the rising you know, to the huge start
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  Speaker 1: that she is now and and through that process though
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  Speaker 1: I will say, you know, this is about Alicia in particular,
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  Speaker 1: and I could say this about everyone that we work with,
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  Speaker 1: is that you have to make sure, um that these
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  Speaker 1: individuals have um what we call just pure hearts. So
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  Speaker 1: they have pure talent, which is you know, of course important,
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  Speaker 1: but you have to also make sure they have pure,
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  Speaker 1: pure hearts. And that's you know that they understand being
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  Speaker 1: kind is important, you know in this business that you know,
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  Speaker 1: just because now you're you're growing to this level of superstardom,
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  Speaker 1: which is a lot of work, by the way, and
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  Speaker 1: these these young women that we've worked with are definitely
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  Speaker 1: the hardest working women, you know, I think out there
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  Speaker 1: amongst the you know, just the top as far as
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  Speaker 1: you know, putting in all of the hard work that
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  Speaker 1: they need to earn their positions. They've earned, worked hard
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  Speaker 1: to earn their positions. But along the way, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you make sure that that they themselves are also balanced.
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  Speaker 1: They have you know, emotional balance, that they have, family
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  Speaker 1: balance that they have you know, the um the ability
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  Speaker 1: to separate the you know, the the roar of the crowd,
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  Speaker 1: you know, screaming their name to to then you know,
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  Speaker 1: going home to to a quiet home. You know, and
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  Speaker 1: and and being comfortable even still in that piece. So
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's there's a conversation that we have with
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  Speaker 1: each of our artists to be sure that they themselves
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  Speaker 1: are balanced and and and learning how to manage stardom
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  Speaker 1: as it comes. We know, it's really interesting when I
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  Speaker 1: being at the person who came into the music. I've
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  Speaker 1: always been tied to radio, but in l at the time,
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  Speaker 1: the beat was a hip hop and R and B station.
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  Speaker 1: So basically at that time, if you as a hip
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  Speaker 1: R and B artists, they always just slapped a rapper
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  Speaker 1: on your music in order for them to play your music.
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  Speaker 1: And there was that little era between two thousand and
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  Speaker 1: the two thousand and five when Alicia came along. I
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  Speaker 1: remember just Scott popped out, I know afteron Hamilton's popped out,
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  Speaker 1: Charlie Wilson started making his comeback, and then Alicia Keys
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  Speaker 1: came along. It was about their music. It was about them.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't have to have a rapper on their label,
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  Speaker 1: on their songs get played. Was that a conscious effort
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  Speaker 1: on you guys part with y'all where because it all
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  Speaker 1: know the heack out of me and Steve Harvey because
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  Speaker 1: we felt that R and B was keen, and rap
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  Speaker 1: was just being being oversaturated into music and not allowing
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  Speaker 1: RB music the sound to move forward. What were your
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  Speaker 1: thoughts at that time, because we see it works itself
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  Speaker 1: out as a volunteer process. If you want to collaborate
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  Speaker 1: back then in two thousands, that's the only where an
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  Speaker 1: RB artist was gonna get played. Nowadays, it's collaborations. Talked
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  Speaker 1: about that period in music, Janine, When you know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about between two thousand and two thousand and five,
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  Speaker 1: if us an RB artist and you didn't have a
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  Speaker 1: rapper on your song, uh, even Mary J. Blah had
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  Speaker 1: to do it. So if the big artists had to
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  Speaker 1: do it, they will not get played on the popular
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  Speaker 1: stations that oh wow, you are just pulling out these questions.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing. So yes, during that time, it was definitely
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  Speaker 1: a thing. And and I would I would say, without
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  Speaker 1: um calling out particular names, I will say that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: folks to the able did think that Alicia should have
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  Speaker 1: gone that route percent as well. They said no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: you have to have you know, hip hop beat, you
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  Speaker 1: have to go over hip hop beats and then you know,
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  Speaker 1: put RMB flair to it. You have to have rappers
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  Speaker 1: on the song. You have you have. This is what's hot,
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  Speaker 1: this is what's hot, this is what's popular. You gotta
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  Speaker 1: do it's gotta do it or you're not. You're not
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  Speaker 1: gonna do well, You're gonna fail. And you know, and
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  Speaker 1: I will say this for you know, my business partner
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Robinson you know again, uh who started NBK and
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  Speaker 1: you know brought me in a little while after starting,
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  Speaker 1: but he said, no, this song Falling is the song.
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  Speaker 1: It's the one. It's the one. It's the one. And
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: then you know, the concept for it, for the for
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  Speaker 1: the video, you know, showing you know, a young girl
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  Speaker 1: going to visit you know, her boyfriend in jail and
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  Speaker 1: you know the truth, you know, walking to the to
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  Speaker 1: that bus stop and the Bronx that they're all taken
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  Speaker 1: to go to Rikers Island. Like that, that was something
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  Speaker 1: that spoke to to to the people. They're like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I could really relate to this. I could relate to
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  Speaker 1: how this young lady is coming out, you know, um
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  Speaker 1: talking about you know, the words that we feel in
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  Speaker 1: our heart. The visual goes to what we see happen,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in our neighborhood, that you know, one person
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  Speaker 1: or another has experienced in their family, so it's it's resonating.
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  Speaker 1: And then now then you have this young lady that's
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  Speaker 1: playing the piano like Bach and Bach like wait, what
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  Speaker 1: what is going on with this juxtaposition And it was
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  Speaker 1: just just enticing. People just got mesmerized by it. And
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  Speaker 1: it proved though that real music, good music, does cut through,
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  Speaker 1: that that real music will always win. It will always
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  Speaker 1: win no matter what. And you just have to be
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  Speaker 1: you know, strong enough in in in your stance to
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  Speaker 1: say that it's going to push through and just you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I always you know, and this business always
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  Speaker 1: kind of like going to take a little credit for
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  Speaker 1: people's success. And I remember in l A when our
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  Speaker 1: was resistant because again they were like the philosophy, where's
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  Speaker 1: to artist. And then that next week and her album
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  Speaker 1: with number one, I was so mad that I didn't
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  Speaker 1: play her song on that stage and just protocol because
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  Speaker 1: belief and that's tied to your talent. Janine, you follow
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  Speaker 1: not willing to think that they're bigger than the craft
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  Speaker 1: that they can. This is not sustainable because you know,
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  Speaker 1: you think about thirty? Do you think about forty? Do
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  Speaker 1: you think about fifty? Do you think about sixty? Because
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  Speaker 1: I had to think about all those things, and when
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  Speaker 1: I look at my career were I look at like
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  Speaker 1: This is not locked just not being at the right
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  Speaker 1: place at the right time. This is tied to you
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  Speaker 1: talk about that a little bit, Jnie, Well, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: look at your your career path as it's tied to
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  Speaker 1: you know, others, you know, like you if you if
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  Speaker 1: you want to have the longevity. You have to make
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  Speaker 1: sure that you're working with folks that can also you know,
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  Speaker 1: have the longevity. I mean, that's that's truly important. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you don't you don't want to have to have a career,
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  Speaker 1: your own professional career where you're kind of bouncing around
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  Speaker 1: from one thing to another. If if you're in the
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  Speaker 1: business of working with talent and creating talent, you want
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  Speaker 1: that talent to be able to stand the test of time.
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  Speaker 1: You want them to be able to ride through for
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  Speaker 1: for decades. You want them to be a career artist.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why we work so hard to create all
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  Speaker 1: the marketing. The branding is so important of the artist
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  Speaker 1: making sure that they're you know, true to what they're
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  Speaker 1: looking to represent. You know, that's something that you can
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  Speaker 1: never take away from an artist. When they are doing
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  Speaker 1: things that are truly true to their causes and their
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  Speaker 1: likes and you know, their their wishes, et cetera, it's
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  Speaker 1: always going to translate well and and um build, you know,
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  Speaker 1: build their stature bigger. You know, for for her, for example,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to just kind of divert a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of the conversation, but if you look at her, she
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  Speaker 1: she her being the true musician that she is, she
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  Speaker 1: was over the moon excited to work with Mr Stevie
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  Speaker 1: wonder someone who has how many decades of six sixties right,
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  Speaker 1: He's he's got sixty years of success literally, and she
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  Speaker 1: is such a young you know, she's me for that's
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  Speaker 1: what she's looking to obtain. She wants to have that
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  Speaker 1: same type of staying power and success where folks are
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  Speaker 1: listening to her music and there's still you know, thirty
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  Speaker 1: years later, singing along, being excited, still feeling that familiarity
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  Speaker 1: and you know, those sides of the heartstrings of you know,
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  Speaker 1: something that she's written or performed. So, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: you want to make sure that you're you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna say hitch in your wagon. That's gonna be a
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  Speaker 1: you know, old school term or whatever, but you want,
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  Speaker 1: you want to make sure that that your tying your
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  Speaker 1: your professional you know talents to to creative talent that
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  Speaker 1: sees the big picture and that is in it for
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  Speaker 1: the long haul and that is going to work together
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  Speaker 1: with you as you guys work together to to reach
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  Speaker 1: to reach that level, you have to be on the
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  Speaker 1: same page of We're doing this for the long haul.
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  Speaker 1: This is not one hit and gone tomorrow. Really, it's
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  Speaker 1: really interesting you say that because I know that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's a vision where I have, you know, when I
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  Speaker 1: see a talent, and there's also key you we would
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  Speaker 1: agree with this that you can't cookie cutter talent. Everybody
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  Speaker 1: everybody has a different dislike and life. How do you
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  Speaker 1: separate that when you're looking at different talent and being
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  Speaker 1: and making that judgment call and also making yourself flexible
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  Speaker 1: talk about that pattern. Yeah, yeah, well I would. I
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  Speaker 1: talents of Alicia Keys, then you look in the talent
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  Speaker 1: of her, and then between that time we developed uh
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  Speaker 1: she was just twenty one, just straight out of college.
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  Speaker 1: You just graduated from m y U. You know, and
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  Speaker 1: I say this with all of respect. You know, to
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  Speaker 1: superstartom and we got her you know, up to be
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  Speaker 1: agreeming not needed artists, which is a fantastic feat we're
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  Speaker 1: very proud of. So, you know, but but um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just just through it all, we we make sure that
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  Speaker 1: with every artist that we work with that that um,
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  Speaker 1: we know that there's the ability for there to be
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  Speaker 1: some some diversity. You know, you want to you want
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  Speaker 1: to make sure that that everyone knows that if there's
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  Speaker 1: a time in their career that they need to be
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  Speaker 1: flexible and kind of go with a suggestion from us
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  Speaker 1: to to go down a different path if it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: just not necessarily going with the wind, but just going
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  Speaker 1: with what kind of makes sense for for where they
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  Speaker 1: are in their lives. Like for example, her started you know,
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  Speaker 1: um she got signed to us when she was thirteen, right,
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  Speaker 1: so at thirteen, you're not really saying much of thirteen
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  Speaker 1: right here, you know, you kind of you know, you're
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  Speaker 1: you're you're learning your craft, you're perfecting your instruments and such.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, as she came into her twenties, now
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  Speaker 1: she has something to write about and then she she's
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  Speaker 1: writing songs that you know, volume one, and you see
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  Speaker 1: how successful that was that you know, turned her into
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  Speaker 1: sought sought after her, you know, her music, because now
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  Speaker 1: she's at that stage. But we had to be flexible
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  Speaker 1: on she's not the same person as she was when
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  Speaker 1: but then you know again that early twenties. Now she's
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  Speaker 1: she was able to flip and be flexible as we said, now,
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  Speaker 1: this is the way that the journey should go. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: she was creating much of that herself along the way,
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  Speaker 1: by her own growth, but we were able to guide
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  Speaker 1: it and to make sure that all the right things
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  Speaker 1: are there. So you have to be you know, uh
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  Speaker 1: flexible even in your own career to say and even
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  Speaker 1: in your own mind as a professional, to say that
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  Speaker 1: if it's it may be a little different from the
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  Speaker 1: we've got to be flexible and make sure that the
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  Speaker 1: works for that. You know, it's really you're very comfortable
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  Speaker 1: to talk with. I'm just tell you that you know
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  Speaker 1: you and I say that because because I you know,
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  Speaker 1: I um. I designed this series to be like a
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  Speaker 1: if I don't know, you're still a friend. And that
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  Speaker 1: that skill, that that that liability that you have. It's
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  Speaker 1: why I wanted to created the show because there's so
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  Speaker 1: much gifted talent like you. You know, you're not in
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  Speaker 1: the front, you know, you're not there posting for social
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  Speaker 1: media numbers, but you're doing your job and you do
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  Speaker 1: have a popularity. It was like I am you know,
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  Speaker 1: when I was business, everybody the industry knew who I was,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of people who were closer the industry
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  Speaker 1: knew who I was. And I did gain some faint
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  Speaker 1: out of that. But you as a brand, you are
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  Speaker 1: a brand. You build brands, but you have to come
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  Speaker 1: a brand. Nick McLean, what do you talk about and
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  Speaker 1: who is your brand? And what is the purpose and
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  Speaker 1: what do you see it going? Because doing covid A
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  Speaker 1: teams out there doing charity work, You've always done charity work.
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  Speaker 1: You still extend yourself outside of the industry of entertainment
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  Speaker 1: to help people. What is the brand and of Jenine McLean. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: that's a great question. I love it. And by the way,
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  Speaker 1: you you are very comfortable to talk to you, your
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  Speaker 1: your questions are awesome and it's not cookie cutter and
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  Speaker 1: just you know, it's it's it's very very um enlightening
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  Speaker 1: and endearing to talk to you. So thank you. But
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  Speaker 1: but the brand of Genie McLean is definitely the brand
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  Speaker 1: of uh, I'm not gonna say strictly female empowerment um,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's important to me to show that, especially as
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  Speaker 1: African Americans, that we can do really really big things
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  Speaker 1: and we can do big things really well. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I was I was speaking to someone the other day
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  Speaker 1: and saying that, you know, our company, it's someone some
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  Speaker 1: sometimes people try to trivel trivialize it as being a
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  Speaker 1: smaller company. I was like, you know what you can
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  Speaker 1: do that, you can trivialize it if you like, but
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  Speaker 1: really look at our resume, look at what we've done,
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  Speaker 1: look at what we've built, and personally, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: will definitely say that you know, I've carried the torch
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  Speaker 1: of being that business person that has you know, brought many,
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  Speaker 1: many millions of dollars of you know, net worth to
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  Speaker 1: the company, you know, by negotiating deals in in a
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  Speaker 1: way that you know, I think maybe a bit unique
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  Speaker 1: So so I'm in. I'm in the brand of getting
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  Speaker 1: you know, with with a certain sense of uh nach
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  Speaker 1: hope to be admired for many years to come. I
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  Speaker 1: want to encourage you know, other young women, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: to be you know, the the face of you know,
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  Speaker 1: lot of time, a lot of my free time is
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  Speaker 1: they can, you know, kind of shadow and speak to
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  Speaker 1: and and just kind of guide through through this this journey,
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  Speaker 1: especially entertainment music. My god, it is. This is definitely
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  Speaker 1: not the easiest, you know, industry to be in at all,
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  Speaker 1: not for the faint of heart at all. So we
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  Speaker 1: need to be there for young people, right, it is
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  Speaker 1: not for the faint of heart that these the ups
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'll just say. That's what I'm just saying.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when you look at this business, because money
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  Speaker 1: comes in and it comes in budgets, I'm saying, and
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  Speaker 1: it's and when it comes it can go away very quickly.
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  Speaker 1: And so it can also let you question yourself because
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  Speaker 1: people started biden at it trying to you know what
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  Speaker 1: very cutthroat, but in the end, it's the relationships that
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  Speaker 1: modern world. Canics goal is producing and producing Turning the
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Tables Robert Robints is to constantly elevate the culture, but
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: by creating visually compelling thoughts, provoking content, and they fund
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: and is fun. I'm telling you, I laugh. I sat
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: there and uh, we're gonna talk about it, but it
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: was really fun just watching stories and watching people have
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: honest stories. And Robert Robbins is so brilliant as a host,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: and that's why it comes across in such a dynamic way.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Beyond simple entertainment. She wants to always educate the audience
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: with takeaway challenges against this as his quote, she is
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: only show to talk about her new show, which we've
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: been discussing on Disney Plus called Turning the Tables Robert Roberts.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: But most importantly, we're gonna talk about building her dreams.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Please welcome with the money making conversation, Ankle, How are
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: you doing? I am so well, Thank you so much
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: for having a new verson. This is this is amazing.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I'm very honored to be here. Thank you. You know,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: usually my intros a little bit shorter, but you know,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I I saw your They sent me episodes so I
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: can get a preview. And plus I'm also a member.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: You know, I have a subscription to Disney Plus, so
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: they send it to me that way. I got this already,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: so I went online and I started watching this show.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: And before I get into the show, because a lot
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: of people may have not watched the show, let you.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: I want you to set up the show and then
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I can start getting my thoughts, which are all positive
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: by the way, and all very into taining and and
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: it's hosted about the wonderful Robbing Robberts. It's produced a
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: man another they said Lebron got his naming this show
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: as well as a producer. And it was born Maverick Carter.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: So they're doing things in that world from a producer atandpoint.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: But let's talk about the show and then I'm gonna
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: talk about how you got involved in the show. Let's
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: talk about the show set up first. Well, yes, please
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: let me begin again by saying, thank you so much
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: for having me. It's an honor. This is so rad um.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: So yeah, turning the tables and Robbing Robbert It's is
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: really a it's it's we consider it a talk show, right,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: but it's a conversation. It's a conversation between iconic women,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: uh in the all the industries, several industries, you know.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: So it was like Hollywood and sports, music and these women,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: you know, they they are all there to have just
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: true conversations with Robbing about, you know, what it is
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: to be who they are and what it took to
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: get there, if that makes any sense, right, It makes
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: sense because of the fact that when I'm gonna skip
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: to an episode I saw with Billy Jane King, okay,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: and she's very iconic, and but she's her story had
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: been told so many times that you kind of forget
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: what was her story in the beginning, okay, And so
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: that's why I like when you watch the show, you
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: have very it's very generational. You have young talent on there,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: and then you have the talent right in the middle,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: and I said, a little sweet spot probably by forty
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: to fifty, and then you have some talent it's over fifty.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: And I think that over fifty is really important because
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: that's what I was talking about. Billy Jane King and
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Jamie Lee Curtis. You learned some things about them, but
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: they've been in your face in a positive way so long.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: You just accept them for the icons that they are.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: And that's why I enjoyed you're doing that. Now. Was
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: that intentional to make a generational talk about that? That
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: was a big part of it. UM. It was about
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: and thank you for noticing, it was about the intersectionality
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: of women, right, So like beyond this industry and race, UM,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: there was also you know, uh, generationally you know, so
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: we have the icons in the sense of women who
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: have come before and have set the standard, and then
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: the women who are doing it, and then the ones
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: who are coming up, and the conversations and the dialogue
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: that UM. You know that that requires to build and
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: to grow, UM and and so that you know, what
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I what I learned in being a part of that
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: project is that there's so much that we can learn
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: from each other intergenerationally. You know, like when you sit
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: and you listen to kids talk, a lot of times
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: people don't account for their wisdom. But I I've I've
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I've learned in my experience, especially with this show, that
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: there's so much that you can get from younger generations
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: and UM, then there's so much obviously that they can
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: take from people who have come before them, who have
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: set the standard. UM. And so it was a really
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: beautiful you know, to watch that all come together was
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: really beautiful. And to be somebody who you know, facilitated
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: that I'm very honored. Well you should be because of
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: the fact that you learned and I learned stuff in
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: my always tell people I wake up ignorant. That way
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I can accept information when it's given to me. I
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: like fighting. I go, okay, I'm not that smart. Vers
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: So listen to people when they talk to you. And
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: some people tell me Rich you don't listen to anybody,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: but I do. I really do listen to people. And
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: so when I went with one of the iconic moments,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I thought on the shows and the episode with Debbie
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Allen when the younger generation person told her repeated a
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: quote from her, and it really called Debbie Allen off
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: guard because she was like, because you know, you know
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Dee a lot. You know, she's talking about as fun
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: to talking about her. I didn't know she tried to sing,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: you know. But these are the little stories that pop
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: out about these artists that make this such a compelling
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: talk series as a conversational series. Let me not let
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: me not steer from what you said there, there's a
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: conversational series. And that really was a was a moving
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: moment for me as a as a viewer, and also
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I felt I felt off air, you know, because I'm
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: sure some of the conversations extend in the breaks they
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: had to catch up. Debbie, I love guard To in
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: a positive way, you know it. I think it did.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: You know, you just see it in her reaction, right,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: and she was just like you know, and Sophia Carson,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: you know, she is one of those young pop stars
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: coming up now. She acts, she dances, she sings, and
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Bebbie Allen was literally like a guiding light and her
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: mom before her, like here is someone you can learn
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: from and you know, and to be able again to
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: to to have those moments. That's what I love the
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: most about the series, that we had these moments of
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: just like complete authenticity and genuine conversation. It wasn't you know.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: My My role was to bring these women together to
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: facilitate it, and then I just backed away literally like
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: there were barely any There were like no interruptions. They
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: just talked and that was so wonderful because you know,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: that's how stories come out, right, Like we evolved in conversation.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: You go from one place to another, and you know,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Robin is such a wonderful, brilliant host, and you know
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: she guided the ship. But as you can see if
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: you watch, you know she was taken by surprise sometimes too,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: like some of the questions that she was asked, and
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: and and you know, and she's the one who usually
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: keeps it together, and you know it doesn't flow, and
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: you see there are moments where she's so vulnerable. You know,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: I'm learning vulnerability too. I'm sorry, no, no, no, even
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: duping you because you caught me with a message about
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: her because I was one of the movie moments of
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: the show. She tried to stay on the outside. She
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: tried to stay a host. You know, she's trying to
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: start the person who kind of like the traffic cops.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: She wanted to everybody to get their stories out. But
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: then they would come back to her periodically, or some
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: of the guests would ask her a question, honest question
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: that she had to think about and respond to, because
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: it's a very honest show. And I thought those walls
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: that you break in conversations are there because you know,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: what's what happens. And that's why that and that's why
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I wanted to slow you down and just point out
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: that's what she says conversational because if you go to
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: a talk show, a talk show, the host doesn't get
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: asked questions the question he asked, the question gives a response.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: The all these reacts to it go to the commercial break.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: In the conversational style that she's talking about. The host
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: in this case being Robin Roberts is engaged. He has
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: to get honest responses and on his responses giving back
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: to her, and she reacts, which means that the entire
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: format allows for us all to become engaged. I'm not
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not feeling like I'm missing out on anything. What
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: would Robin think here? What would Raven Simon think here? What?
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: What does Sheila Eve think here? Because they all participate?
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Am I correct? You are one thousand percent correct? You know?
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: And that was that was a directive of the show.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: You know, we all know Robin as this magical, wonderful
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: morning you know, uh announced their host of the news, right,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: and but what is a weekend Robin? You know, how
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: does weekend Robin show up? What are the conversations that
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: she has when she's not just the host, but she's
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: hosting a conversation? And um, that was that was a
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: big part of it, was to really bring down the
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: walls and to allow those conversations to flourish, and you
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: know she it was such a tremendous honor to get
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: that trust from her and to provide a space where
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: she could be vulnerable in that way. That was very
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: important to me. Um And and you know, like for me,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: it was like, let me create a space where she
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: can work, let me create a s where she is comfortable.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: And I feel that I accomplished that, so that that
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: that it's a tremendous honor. Well you you accomplish it.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: You entertained me. You know, it had me laughing at me.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: I'm you know, like I said, I will be moved
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: to tears now, I'm that type of guy will like
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: look around the hopefully the room is dark, you know,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: as I start blinking my eyes because it's that type
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: of series. But Codine, you know your career is tied
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: to this show as a show runner and executive producer.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: We're talking to her. She's uh, the show running executive
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: producer to turning the Table through Robert Roberts. The series
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: is currently streaming on Disney Plus. That I have a
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: subscription to Disney Plus, so I'm able to watch it.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: And when watching it, how did you become a part
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: of Yeah. It was an interview process, you know, like,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: um I, I, uh, you know, I found out about
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: this show. I have this one. I have this friend,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: this very dear friend. Her name is Erica Clark, and
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: she is a g in production in the television world.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Like look her up, Eric Clark. She's amazing, and um
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: you know, I call her my very job mother because
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: she'll find out about these jobs. And she's like, yo,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: you gotta interview for this. I'm gonna look up with this,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay. So she connected me with another friend,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Brie Frank. If you don't know her, look her up
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: as well, another black women. These are all black women
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: really killing it in the entertainment industry. And Bree actually
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: created who you know, in media for people of color,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: by people of color. It's a community of people and
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, we have production television industry people
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: and we all connected. It's a Facebook group and the
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: post about jobs and all of that. So that's how
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: um I found out about this position actually, And so
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: I went into the interview process, you know, and it
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: was rounds and rounds of many of you, and at
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: one point I'm sitting in this exact room and it's
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Robbin Roberts. And I was just like, cool, cool, be cool,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: you know, and and it was it was really we
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: hadn't such a wonderful conversation. And I was just like,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: I was like, I hope I get this. I kept
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: thinking in my head like and then you know, and
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I was just like, I think I did it. I
• 44:24
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• 44:44
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  Speaker 1: relate to her from the standpoint that I may have
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  Speaker 1: a survivor and guess what, that doesn't mean that cancer
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  Speaker 1: So you're you're talking to somebody who operates under that mission.
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  Speaker 1: she understands there is a truly finite window for you
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• 47:32
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure she appreciate your relationship here and developing
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: this pour part four parts series. So with that being said,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: how did you start booking the talent for each episode
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: and and and getting the right combinations? Like I said,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: my favorite episode, I've already told you that Jami Lee
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: third is you know, guy and Jeeves pregnant and then
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: a Billy Jane King, the iconic Milligiene King. How did
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: you start laying all this talent out because you know,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: some of them just just iconic and some all newbies
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: but are very finance, so talk about that. You know,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: you ask all the right questions, Jean, like casting was
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: it was so critical. It was so critical to the
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: show because that was that's where we knew where the
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: cont these conversations would come from. Right. So, um, it
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: was a constant process. We worked with Central book. Let
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: me see TV Central's talent booking. It's a casting and
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: you see Joanne Joanna Jordan, she's amazing. She leads that group,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: and um, we would have these power casting meetings, you know,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: and it was just like we would put you know,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: we're like, okay, let's see if we can put this one,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: this one, this one together. Okay, oh she's not available. Okay,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: let's put this one, this one, this one together, you know,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: and we just kept going that way and seeing do
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: they make sense together? Can we can we tell a story,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: an intergenerational, interconnected story that makes sense, you know, And
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: and that's how we built it, and that's how the
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: episodes come out. So a lot of times you don't
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: think that these people, You're like, why is this us?
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: And take Nataro and she least all that was, Oh
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: my god, she is so funny. But it made so
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: much sense, you know, it made so much sense. It
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: was all about being like their best selves and their
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: authentic selves and marching to their literally of their own drummers,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: and that they were all fans of each other and
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: it never met, you know, so it was it was
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: really wonderful in that way to bring them together and
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: and and being and and and being able to reveal
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: their authentic selves. Um, in order to continue their craft.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Absolutely, because it was like tak Nataro,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: we just brought up Woods. I'm a big fan though
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: I would heard her name, you know, appearing on the
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Ellen de Generous Show. And then I called her stand
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: up comedy episode when she actually took her top off,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: and uh, I remember my wife was going. She said,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: did she go top off? I said yeah. And they're
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: kind of working too. She's kind of working because why
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: can't she do that? You know, can't why kids you
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  Speaker 1: do that? And then she just did her whole set,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: and then and and and it was just it was
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: just very entertaining and and we talk about that uniqueness
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: and when you watch the show, the conversations that we're
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: talking about, turning the tables, Robert Roberts, I'm talking to
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Cadine Ankles, who was the executive producers. The Showrunner's a
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: difference that you have a lot of executive producers, but
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: you need that showrunner. That is who I am talking to.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: She is the person that makes it all work. So
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: I've been executive producer on a lot of shows, but
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: I have not been a showrunner on a lot of shows.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: That she gets the upper level of respect on that.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: That's why I gotta let you all know I'm not
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna just put the word executive duce and
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: just slide past showrunner. Showrunners there for a reason, because
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: her resume has generated a level of respect. She understands budget,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: she understands right and she understands the discipline of keeping
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: people on time and also the star talent and this kids.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Robert Roberts has to feel that you can deliver. That
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: is a that's the process that you built in your career.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: And I want to talk a little bit about your
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: career as we continue this conversation about turning the tables,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: because it was important that, like you said, putting the
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: right people together, because I kind of got a feeling that,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: you know, Chila really didn't know you know, Tigg, but
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: in the conversation she really started if started evolving and
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: h and the same thing with Raymond, it started evolving.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: But each episode I think is a little bit like that.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: You don't want everybody to kind of know each other's story. Otherwise,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: what is the conversation that is exactly it? You know,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: we they they had seeds of connectivity, you know, they
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: they we were able to sit down and look at
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: their careers and their family lives and you know, their
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: goals and objectives and say, oh, we can connect this
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: person this way. Oh we can connect that person that way.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: For me as the showrunner, and thank you so much
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: for all your kind words, kind so clattered beyond belief. Honestly,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: this is like even being on this, I don't normally like,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: I don't do too many interviews and stuff, so I'm like, oh, wow,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: all right, this is pretty cool. Um, so thank you,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: thank you for this. Uh. But you know, it was
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: very important to me as a showrunner to ensure like,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: how do you know when when you talk to these
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: women the Sheila's Tegnatar, Debbie Allen, right, the same questions
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: often get asked to them, Oh, you're iconic, Oh you're this,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: or you're that, And for me, I'm like, let's strip
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: all of that away. Let's take all of that away,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: and let's just see them as the women that they are.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: You know, let's be all be vulnerable, let's all talk
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: about the things that we don't normally talk about. Let's
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: take away the artifice and and have be in this
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: beautiful space with these beautiful women, these beautiful people and
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: you know, like just be and I think and I
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: think that so that was my goal and I think
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: that we accomplished that and and and for that, you know,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: I I give so many things to Disney for allowing
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: me to even do that, right, um, And you know
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Robin's company Rock and Robin and you know spring Hill,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: which is Lebron's company me and I mean even being
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: able to say these names. He's come back these brands
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: and like be attached to it somehow. Like I remember
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: looking at the car sheet, um, which is like our
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: schedule for those of you who don't know for the day,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: and at the top, you know, it has enlists all
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: the people who involved, and like you said, there's many
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: executive producers and at the top it's like Lebron, James,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Maverick Carter, and then you keep going down and then
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: there's me. And I was like, that's why I just separated,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: because all of them have executive abuse of titles, you know.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: And so but show writer, she is the key now,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: and I gotta give her love and respect because I
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: know the valued of it. But but let's also back
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: up a little bit. Now. She didn't just drop in here.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Nobody just a lucky roll of the dice. You know,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Project Runway, you know series like to Change, MTV Proposal,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: skin Wars, you know, most explicit vests. You know and
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: that these are these are series that allows you to
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: create a resume for you to come in there and
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: pitch your talent to everybody. And that's what people don't
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: understand is that nobody there's back up a little bit
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: that's a talent in front of the camera. You can
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: get away with being a novice. You can get away
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: with being being plucked off the street and put in
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: front of a camera and giving your shot. When you
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: behind the camp, nobody picks you off the street to
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: be a showrun You better have resume, You better understand that.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of jobs on the line
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: when they give that title of showrunner to a person
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: like her. So talk about that process because I wanted
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: to tell people that because, like I said, you can be.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: You can be and it doesn't happen all the time.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: But you can't be a comic on the stage and
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: then be giving an acting opportunity, or you can be
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: a model or very attractive lady. You can be getting
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: put in front of the camera to be photos to
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: be taking from of you. But as a showrunner, that
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: cannot happen. No, no, no, I mean I haven't seen it.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Come on, come on, come on with you know that
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: can't happen. You know, it's just like that's that'd be
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: a very talented person. No, it takes a lot of work, right,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: and it's a lot of and it's learning. Like I'm grateful,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: you know. I remember being younger, younger producer, being like
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: why you know what I felt like stuck in a way,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: you know, and just being like what am I gonna do?
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Where am I gonna take this? And I actually, um
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: my cousin David, he is a consultant um with is
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: uh actually he is a partner with Accenture. And he
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: got me an executive coach. He gifted me three months
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: of the executive coaching and he said, what are you
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: going to do with this? He's like, you have to
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: figure out what you're doing with yourself. And he was,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: so I'm gifting you this coaching and you know, go
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: see if you can sort out what you want to do.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: So I got this executive coach. His name is Matt.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: He is Matmothist. He's amazing. Uh white what is it
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: called White Cloud House? I believe, and uh, it's his company.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: And you know, he said to me on the first conversation,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: he said, what do you want to do? And I said,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: I want to be a showrunner. And the reason that
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: I was able to say that was because at the time,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: I was working on Project Runway and I was a
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: story producer on that show. And I would be in
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: the control room and I would sit behind the showrunner
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: and the direct and the lighting director and the other
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: co executive producers, you know, and and I would watch,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: right you know, I would say, I called it that
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: I was sitting in the back row and I would
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: just watch and I would watch and I would watch,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: and I was like, I think I can do this.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: You know, I really did. And Sarah Ray, she was
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: at the time the showrunner of Project Runway, and I
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: always say thank God for her because she was such
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: a good teacher and she didn't even know it because
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: I was just watching her. You know, UM, interrupt for
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: a minute there, because this is a positive interruption. Because
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: because because sometimes when I run into talents like you
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, did they have these natural gifts?
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: And because everybody can't do with Everybody just can't sit
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: behind somebody and figure it out. Okay, Okay, don't stop
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: that madness right now. Okay, And and the and the
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: other part of this whole train, because I've I've run
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: shows and I've watched people. That's how you learn. You watch,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: you learn, and you ask questions. But when you're giving
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: that opportunity to make that decision, you have to have
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: two mindsets. One, I'm capable of making the decision. And
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: if something goes wrong, it doesn't it's not the end
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: of the world. And so that's the part that she's
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: leaving out because so many people are gifted like her,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: but they cannot understand that life is not perfection, especially
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: when you're dealing with productions. People can come in six
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: I heard the actress who cut all our hair off,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: you know, and go who told you to cut your half?
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Oh I felt like doing it that day. Okay, well
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: it doesn't match your series. Okay, So you can't just
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: lose your mind about that. And so so when I
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: look at a person like you, you've actually just matured
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: through the process. And sometimes when I come when I
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: bring talented people like you know, money making comes. I
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: call you grinders. I call people like you grinders. It's
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: just grinding and and they don't even realize that they're
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: doing things that are so unique, and they're so unique.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: And then to deliver the product that has allowed me
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: to just talk to your body. I have no paper
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: in front of me, I have no no, no, no,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: nothing on the problem. I'm just talking to about something
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: that is resonating into my spirit that I saw four
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: episodes of and I'm recalling it because it captivated me,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: It emotionally charged me, and it was all because of
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: your direction as a show runner, as a writer, as
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: a supervisor, and as a leader. Thank you, Sean. That's
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: a mine drop right there for your career, Like I
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: don't even know. I'm like, you got to you got
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: to you your building something here. And sometimes you know,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: when I look at my life and I look and
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: I run across young town like you because you're young twn,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: you're younger than me. I always have to remind them
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: that the journey of you know, when I was, I was,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: I was talented, I was eighteen twenty, but then I
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: have to realize that I gotta make it the fifty
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: what I'm gonna be doing. I gotta make the sixty
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: what I'm gonna be doing. See, once you put that
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: in perspective, it allows you to refocus. That's exactly what happened. Literally,
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened. I was like, am I going
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: to be this you know whatever? Age? I don't remember,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: like because I would see the older producers coming in
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: and working on like really young shows and they were
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: still producers and there's nothing wrong with that, but I
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: was like, is that what I'm gonna be? And I
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: was like, I don't think that's what I want, you know,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: And and so then I was like, Okay, well what
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: would be next? Where what would be the next step?
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: And that's where watching my boss in the back row
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: started and working with my m my, my uh my
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: life coach, my my, my executive coach and then he
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: who was still my coach for this day by the way,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: I kept them so, um, you know, I built from
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: there and I was like, so I was just like
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm gonna do this. And then
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: you know, there's also I believe, you know, I'm a
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: person of states. Um. I believe in in the power
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: of the human spirit. And in our ability to make
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: opportunities for ourselves if you you know, in the law
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: of attraction, like you just have to like go out
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: there and do it. And I put it out there.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: I said I'm gonna be a showrunner. And then a
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: few months later, literally I got a phone call from
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: uh Devo, which is uh, you know it's there. They
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: put music videos online and they were like, hey, we
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: got this election special coming up. Do you want to
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: be the show runner? And I was like, yes, there
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: you go, there you go? You said yes, because that
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: it stops me because you go. Have I done that?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: It's like riding a bike, you know? Yeah, I remember,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: and well I know we're wrapping up the end of
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: you here, but you know, I remember I did my
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: first production. It was a lot of production. It was
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: at then, and I was saying, just as the forum
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: and uh, and I've never done I was always like
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: you behind the camera. And I did it. And I
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: actually had tears in my eyes when I saw the
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: opening number in production. I went, what was stopping me.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Was stopping me is that we are not gifted with
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: these relationships. Whereas a kid, we don't walk on the set,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: so we are engaging in an environment that is not
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: normal to us. What's normal to us is a is
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: a blue collar job. When I talk to people of color,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: was normal to us working in a bank, you know, uh,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: just doing anything with our hands. And the few people
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: who go to college, we don't see how they work
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: in a white collar environment, and we definitely don't see
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: how they work in an entertainment environment. And so that's
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: what stops us. And so Codine, I just wanted to
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: bring your own money making conversation and tell you I'm
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: a big fan of yours and also let you know,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: let me show you down and realize the blessings that
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: you are creating. And you know you might have that
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: other coach, but no, you've got ras Shan McDonald's your coach.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: You know, you're you know that. Well, I'm gonna turn
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: it on you. You know, you know it's it's such
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: an honor to be here, you know, and and to
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: be having this conversation. You did this for you, right,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: so talk to me about that, Like, where have you
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: had that moment yet? I had that. I didn't. I
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: didn't um really realize and appreciate my talent until I
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: got to my a forties because I was just going
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: through life and uh us in terms like the right
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: place at right time, or I'm lucky, I'm you know,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: uh you know, I mean you know people, you know,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: I just know the right people, you know. But in
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: the end, it's amount of work I put in. You know.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: I tell people I'll get up at fourth third every
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: day during the week. That's a consistent timeline for me.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: It allows me to be successful because I also tell
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: people that I understand the value relationships. I also tell
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: people that I understand that what I'm doing in my
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: life is not luck. It's talent plus hard work plus consistency.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: You put those things together. We have who are seeing you,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: a mirror image of myself who I'm talking to you,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: just just younger, just a different gender, and successful coming
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: your way. And that's why I had to really emphasize
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: to you. Title means something in this business, it needs
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: something in life, and so you do not run from that.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: You are a director, you are a writer, you are
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: a showrunner, and you are an executive doucer. You are
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: a creative beast. Don't stop. Thank you. You know you
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: have no idea how much your words means to me.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Right now. Really, thank you. I am so grateful, I
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: am so honored to be here and so happy that
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: I can call you coach. But I want to thank
• 1:03:07
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