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Glory at Giza review and lots of news · Boxing B-Sides

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  by the homies. Josh, Shanada. Hey. How goes it?
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  Hey. Good. Good. We're supposed to get a typhoon
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  tomorrow, so I've already taken the day off work
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  because fuck work. Are you stocked up on booze?
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  Not yet. I stocked up yesterday and then drank
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  most of it. Well, we're going to have to run
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  through this kind of quickly, so let's get right
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  to it. First things first, MMA shit. Saturday,
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  June 6th, UFC Vegas 118. The headline is Bilal
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  Muhammad vs. Gabriel Bonfim. If you want to hear
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  us talk about that, by the time you're hearing
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  this, the episode of Ultimate FN Casuals should
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  be out. So, have fun with that. I'm going to
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  skip my usual intro. stuff and go straight to
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  Shakur Stevenson signing with Zufa. Is that official
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  now? It's all but confirmed at this point. I
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  mean, I don't really care about Shakur, so go
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  get your money, I guess. Oh man, this is like
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  the rubber band of way overpaying for guys who
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  do not make their market value. I think the word
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  on the street is he's going to be getting approximately
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  $15 million a fight. People are not going to
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  pay $15 million to see Shakur. Right, because
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  they're not doing pay -per -views on Zufa or
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  on Paramount+. So how they expect to make that
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  $15 million back is a very good question. Exactly.
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  And who's he going to fight? Are they going to
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  have to... pay out the ass to get people from
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  other promotions. Built -in rivals are Richardson
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  Hitchens and Conor Benn. Does anybody want those
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  fights, though? They don't seem very competitive,
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  either. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, they
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  don't sound fun or interesting. Is there any
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  fight that's really interesting for Shakur? I
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  mean, he's a weight class below all those guys
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  now, isn't he? Like Haney and Garcia. Yeah. I
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  just... It makes sense, considering nobody's
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  going to pay him what he wants at this point,
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  other than Zufa, but it's also disappointing
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  because it means he's not going to have an interesting
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  fight until basically the end of his career.
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  Yeah, but that was probably going to happen anyways,
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  I feel. Maybe. Because where does Shakur fight
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  now? He's 135? 135. Or 140, okay. Once he beat
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  Teofimo, he stayed at 140. This is how much I
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  pay attention to his career. Scroll to 140. I
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  mean, there's just nobody here. Is he gonna fight
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  Dalton Smith and Gar? Like... Maybe Gar isn't
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  that bad. Gar doesn't want it, though. Remember
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  his, like, very clear avoidance of mentioning
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  a fight with Shakur in his last post -fight interview.
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  I don't think it matters who he's signed with.
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  He's not going to get any fights that anybody
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  cares about. Unless he moves up. Imagine if Roly
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  manages to beat Shaker. See, that's Roly beating
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  anyone. Roly is the gift that keeps on giving
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  with this. Because if he does, it'll be really
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  funny. One fight that might be coming up. It
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  seems like it's coming up. Beevil versus BetterBF3.
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  This one is being funded by the Russian oligarchs.
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  They want that fight in Russia. So we're back
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  to early DAZN then. Yes. We've come full circle
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  with the financiers. We've come full circle.
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  Oh my god. If it's streamed on the zone, then
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  like, perfect. This is literally like, we're
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  back. We're back to the old status quo. I don't
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  care about this trilogy. I think Beavol won both
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  fights. I agree. He's just gonna win more clearly
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  than the second one. That's true. I think, that
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  being said, um, you know, I don't, I don't mind
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  it in the sense that, like, both guys are finally
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  getting paid at the end of their careers. Yeah,
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  it's not terrible, I'm just not excited. No,
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  like, I'm, like, I'm not enthused, it's just,
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  I'm happy that they're getting paid at the end
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  of their careers. Considering the level of talent
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  proportional to, especially on Better BF's end,
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  like, he kind of spent his whole career not getting
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  paid despite being the champion with 100 % KO
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  rate. Yeah, and it's probably like a big personal
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  thing for both of them to get to fight in Russia.
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  Yeah. Also, it makes people even older for when
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  he fights Benavidez, so there's that agenda.
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  The Benavidez supremacy agenda? The Benavidez
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  agenda, I don't mind people getting a bit older.
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  I'm putting a couple more miles on the clock.
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  Looks good against Beterbiev in the trilogy.
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  That way, when Benavidez fucking nukes him, no
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  one can detract. Exactly. The agenda is so good
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  here with this, and it lets Benavidez... It lets
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  us watch Benavidez brutalize another guy in the
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  meantime. Matchroom and Queensberry are talking
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  about another 5v5. Here are some details that
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  I have. This might possibly be a 7v7. And some
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  of the fights that they were brainstorming with
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  were Callum Smith, Boazzi 2, lightweights Giorgio
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  Visioli and Louis O'Doherty, middleweights Denzel
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  Bentley and George Ladard, and heavyweights Johnny
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  Fisher and Dillian White. Johnny Fisher is back,
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  eh? I haven't seen him for a while. I just saw
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  his dad had, like, a world record for ordering
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  in different languages or whatever today. Yeah,
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  like 30 different languages of takeout. Yeah.
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  That's pretty impressive. No, I saw one where
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  he was in France and he just, like, just able
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  to order whatever obscene Isaac meal. He knows
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  what he wants, so. But in, like, perfect French.
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  Like, it was great. So, respect. um fisher white
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  is a hilarious fight though yeah like these other
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  ones are like competitive should be good time
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  yeah i mean fisher white could be close ish it's
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  funny though that's what i'm yeah yeah but i
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  mean it's not like a terrible matchup it's not
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  super one -sided at least i don't think it is
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  I don't know. I like the 5v5. I thought that
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  was fun. I'm happy to see him bring it back.
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  Eddie Hearn getting spanked again. Those were
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  actually his exact words. We got spanked the
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  first time, so we have to try to run it back.
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  Fair enough. Yeah, if it gets more inter -promotional
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  fights going, I'm fucking here for it. Why not
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  get Top Rank in the mix and make it like a 3v3v3
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  or something? I don't know. That'd be interesting.
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  Just some mix of... Yeah, I'm not against it.
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  I kind of like the storyline. I think it's fun.
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  It's what Boots Zayas kind of looks like, though.
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  It is a top -ranked matchroom type of thing.
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  I expect the rest of the card will be that way.
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  It'll be their fighters. So it'll be... So we're
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  kind of seeing that already, but yeah. Not official
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  with scorekeeping. Oscar Collazo versus Joey
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  Canoy. Shanada, I think we talked about this
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  one on Before Dark. Yeah. But we do have a little
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  bit more news. There will be some undercard features.
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  This is just from the press release. Ricardo
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  Sandoval is a maybe. Joshua Edwards, Ruslan Abdullayev,
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  Caden Griffiths, and Grant Flores. So, busting
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  out the B squad. Yeah. Like I said, I do not
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  care about Joey Kanhoye. Sorry. No, that's fair.
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  I'm not moved by Joey Kanhoye. It's not the fight
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  we want. Neither of the fights that we want.
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  Yeah. But pound for pound star Oscar Corazzo.
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  Pound for pound. Pound for pound star Phenom.
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  Against nobody, though. That's the problem. That's
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  the, yeah. A little bit of pound for pound discussion
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  on the Patreon minutes before we started. Oh,
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  yeah. Interesting drama. Shanada, we talked about
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  this one as well. Norair McAleon is looking to
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  fight Jai Obataya. However, WBC has ordered a
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  mandatory defense against David Benavidez. The
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  WBC has said if Norer Mikaelian schedules, if
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  the fight with Opataya becomes official, he will
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  be stripped. And it looks like Mikaelian Opataya
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  is in advanced stages of negotiation. This is,
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  um, see, this is like classic WBC bullshit, but
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  also... I get why. You have to make a concerted
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  effort to shut Zufa out. That looks like exactly
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  what's happening. The tactic itself on paper
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  is like usual WBC, you're going to fight who
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  we want you to. And it has been used maliciously,
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  like when Sergio Martinez got stripped for wanting
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  to fight, if I recall, Sebastian Zubik, and then
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  they let Chavez Jr. fight the same guy. for the
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  vacant title. So that's the same thing here,
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  but here it makes a lot more sense because you
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  want to keep Zufa out of it without opening yourself
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  up to a lawsuit for stripping him for no reason.
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  Here, at least, it's like, oh, they're enforcing
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  a mandatory and it's... It looks legitimate enough.
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  I still think Michaelian's going to drop the
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  belt to fight Jai. Well, Zufa's going to offer
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  him an enormous payday, and the marketing is
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  totally going to be, he took the better opponent,
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  and Benavidez is ducking Obitaya, even though...
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  Word on the street is Benavidez allegedly turned
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  down a fight with Obitaya. Why would you go to
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  Zufa and make that fight? Yeah. Well, and then
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  Zufa's also going to spin it that Michaelian
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  is putting the Zufa belt above the WBC. Yeah,
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  but there's a whole... Even though, like, realistically,
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  Opetai is the one that he wasn't good enough
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  to move up to heavyweight, nor could he find
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  anything at cruiserweight, and then went to Zufa,
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  which is the plain reality of it. Mikaelian seeking
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  real glory. Yeah. Dollar dollar bills is the
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  glory he's seeking. The thing is that for Mikaelian,
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  it's a guaranteed loss either way. You got no
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  shot at actually winning against either guy,
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  so you're going to go for the biggest dollar
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  amount. He's got a better shot against Obataya.
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  That too. Because I'm like, if he had a shot
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  at winning either... you probably target the
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  unification against the bigger star. Yeah, but
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  that's just going to be an ass -kicking. Yeah,
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  but with Opitaya, he's vulnerable. He's looked
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  vulnerable before. He's looked very vulnerable,
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  and in ways that, like, anyone can exploit. And
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  you're going to take that enormous bag you're
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  presented with, because, okay, you lose. You're
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  basically in the same spot you were before, which
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  is some guy at cruiserweight who will get in
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  line for a belt again. Because there's not...
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  There's not that many cruiserweights. I can't
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  even say it's top -heavy. There's just no...
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  There's not even a semblance of depth. There's
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  like six guys that keep rotating through it.
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  You might see him against Badu Jack for the WBC
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  in another year. When he loses that fight, like...
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  So you guys mentioned that Michaelian is taking
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  the higher -paying option, but he's with Don
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  King. He's not going to get paid, right? Oh,
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  I know. But the number that Don King's going
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  to present him, that he's going to be presented
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  with, is going to be big. It's still better than
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  what he could have been. He was never going to
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  get either in that case. Yeah. To be fair, I
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  also question, you also have to question anyone
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  who signs with Don King in this day and age.
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  You can feel bad for them, but you can't, like,
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  not blame them at this point. Yeah. It's like,
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  it's ironic that he's fighting Opitaya, who also
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  appears to have not read anything he was given.
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  Or, like, Twitter. He just didn't read. The IBF
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  sent him a notice and then he just didn't read
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  it. Like a written notice. He just did not read
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  it. So, you know what? Two guys who have proven
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  inability to read. Yeah. Here's a notice that
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  says if you continue with the track you're going
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  down, we're going to take the belt away from
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  you. This doesn't apply to me. If you sign with
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  the organization Fuck the Belt and fight Brandon
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  Glanton, we're gonna strip you because you're
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  not fighting a ranked opponent. Signs with organization
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  Fuck the Belt and fights Brandon Glanton. Get
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  stripped. Makes perfect sense. Shock Pikachu
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  face. Yeah. Look how they massacred my boy. Like,
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  guys, it's just... So, like, you know what? To
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  be fair, Benavidez has way more options. Yeah,
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  the cruiserweight division is his oyster at this
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  point. Yeah, like, it runs through him, and honestly,
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  even if he takes, like, let me look at the cruiserweight
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  rankings, because there's guys that, like, they'll
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  take a pack of Jolly Ranchers to fight. C -Slack,
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  I think, is the... Yeah, Pappin, I think Vito
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  Reilly's... the IBF mandatory. He is set to face
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  the winner of David Naika and Floyd Masson. Yeah,
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  so if you just... You take one of the guys who
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  are at the upper end of cruiserweights, you can
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  get paid a fine. Because especially in the UK,
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  if Riley wins that, the UK will totally toss
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  a bag for a Mexican guy to come over for their
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  guy to give it a go. like it'll happen it'll
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  happen or um oh shit oh shit indeed oh you bastard
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  um anyways i was gonna say um he can just come
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  back down the light heavyweight and take out
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  a ranked guy there too because realistically
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  the timeline isn't oh cruiserweight the timeline
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  is when does b -ball get out of what he's doing
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  Yeah, the oligarchs are not going to pay for
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  Beeble versus Benavidez. They want the intra
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  -Russian shit. Yeah, so he's just got to wait
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  that out and then he'll get his shot at Beeble.
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  And honestly, if he can't get a good fight at
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  Cruiserweight, he should move back down and fight
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  Callum Smith. So that way there's zero way for
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  Beeble to get out of it. There's zero room for
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  it afterwards. Yeah, take that mandatory slot
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  away from Calvin Smith. Take that mandatory spot.
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  You have the profile. And the WBO is big about
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  their champions moving divisions and getting
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  title shots. Yeah, so you can just keep going
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  back and forth. Yeah. Honestly, a good gimmick
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  for Benavidez if he's... if if he's just if he's
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  out of options is just go undisputed at both
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  weight classes it's a funny at the same time
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  fucking realistically all he has to do to make
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  light heavy weight is go on a diet or lack thereof
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  for cruiserweight i still laugh whenever i think
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  about the uh the Phoenix Suns jersey that had
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  300 on it, and they gave it to Benavidez. They
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  presented it to him at a game, and Benji, he
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  was like, oh, look, they have his weight, his
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  walking around weight on it. They have his weight
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  on it. Oh, Jesus. With BOMAC, they need four
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  digits on that for BOMAC, though. I was thinking,
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  I was thinking of making a joke about the family
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  -sized Cheetos Puffs when I was like, lack thereof
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  for Benavidez's diet. Yeah. Oh, that's rough.
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  But yeah, the world is Benavidez's oyster, and
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  frankly, I don't think... I think Opetai is going
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  to get out his... He's just going to be left
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  on the outside looking in. He's going to get
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  the chair in the corner. Yeah. You know, maybe
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  he moves up to heavyweight and fights Lorenzo
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  Coley in like three years on Zufa. He's got F
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  .A. Ajagba on his... Radar if he's going to stay
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  in Zufa. Think of where Akoli's headed after
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  the drug test failure for his first real fight.
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  He's headed for Zufa. Totally wasn't cheating
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  with HGH. No, it was my torn bicep that had already
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  healed by the time I started using HGH. Makes
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  more sense than eggs. I think it was in the beard.
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  It's the glue they use to keep the beard on for
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  Conor Benn. You know, it comes on and off. Yeah.
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  All right. I got all of the results from the
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  most recent IBF convention. They have ruled on
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  all their mandatories and final eliminators.
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  So we're going to start at the Shenandoah weights
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  and work our way up. With the shinada weights.
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  So at strawweight, the champion is Pedro Tataran.
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  His mandatory is Dian Xing Zhu. And that is due.
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  They have to have a deal in place by July 26th.
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  What the hell is Adam Pedro doing with a belt?
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  Let's see. Junior flyweight is Tanong Saximshri.
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  And there is a fight between Reggie Suganob and
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  Sivanati Nonchinga as a final eliminator. Flyweight
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  champion Masamichi Yabuki, he's facing Rene Calixo
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  on the 6th. And the day one mandatory of the
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  winner is Miel Fajardo. That's going to be a
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  banger fight. I don't care what anyone says.
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  Ooh, Superfly. We've got Willie Baldo as the
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  champ. He's facing Andrew Maloney on the sixth,
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  and his day one mandatory of the winner is Siko
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  Ngotole. No, Andrew Maloney's the good one. Never
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  mind. Yeah, he's the better one. The better one.
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  Not good. Not quite good. Sorry. And Bantamweight
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  champ, Jose Salas. The final eliminator has been
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  determined. I didn't catch who it was. 122. Champ
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  is Inoue, of course. Ryosuke Nishida versus Sam
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  Goodman are requesting an interim title fight
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  as they wait to see what Inoue wants to do. Give
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  me Nishida in that. Yeah, I'm taking Nishida
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  for sure. Give me Nishida. He's got that dog.
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  Featherweight champ, Angelo Leo. Final eliminator
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  to be determined because the one dude, Rai Salim,
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  came in about two pounds overweight. Didn't even
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  try. Yeah, he didn't try to cut. He didn't go
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  back for a second attempt. No, didn't even try.
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  At 130, Nav is the champ. Jackson England versus
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  Sultan Zuharbek for the final eliminator. I don't
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  know either of those guys. I don't either. Never
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  heard of them. Lightweight. Go on. Jackson England
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  is 19 -3 from Australia. Of course. And Sultan
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  Zarbek is a Kazakh 20 -0 guy. Both have fought
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  in their home country and in the UK. Nothing
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  notable. IBF against IBF, I guess. They got to
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  play the game to get the belt. You do the dance,
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  you get the shot. Yep. At lightweight, we've
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  got Murataya as the champion. He has a defense
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  against Robson Konseisao on the 1st of August.
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  In July, there will be a final eliminator between
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  Andy Cruz and Albert Bell. We looked at this
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  one, Shinoda. Albert Bell is... He's like a domestic
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  level dude. Nothing really stands out from his
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  record. At 140, the title is vacant. Lindolfo
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  Delgado versus Arthur B. Arslanov are going to
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  be fighting for the vacant. I'm not mad about
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  that. Oh, but will you be mad about welterweight
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  champ Lewis Crocker? He's facing Liam Parrow
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  on June 24th. Patty Donovan is the day one mandatory
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  for the winner. Oh, my God. I am mad about this.
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  I need Liam Parr to get rid of these fools. These
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  two have been holding up for the IBF, literally
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  just trading, like, having IBF title shots and
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  eliminators for, like, the past two years. It's
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  getting annoying. It's actually getting annoying.
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  Junior middleweight, that's 154. Josh Kelly is
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  the champ. He has a defense against Ajiark Cowan.
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  I think his name is spelled like cow mean, but
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  it's fucking Kevin Ajiarko in July. Bakram Murtazaliev
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  and Brandon Adams are having a final eliminator
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  for the day one mandatory of the winner. Hilarious
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  turn of events with this belt at 154. Because
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  you are telling me that Brandon Adams has a very
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  good chance at a title shot before Virgil Ortiz.
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  Like, that's like dead ass. You're telling me
• 26:55
  all of these people got title fights for Virgil
• 27:02
  Ortiz. That's great. The middleweight title is
• 27:07
  vacant. Aaron McKenna versus Edenosa Oleja for
• 27:11
  the vacant title. Amari Jones is the day one
• 27:15
  mandatory for the winner. Kind of over 160. I
• 27:20
  can't lie. This is kind of dreadful even for
• 27:23
  160. Is it worse than 147? Let's see. At least
• 27:28
  147 has a guy who will clean it up. Like, Liam
• 27:31
  Parra wasn't half bad. This is like, ooh. This
• 27:36
  is 160. Still pretty dreadful. At super middleweight,
• 27:44
  Oslis is the fucking champ. Ain't nobody want
• 27:47
  to see him. Diego Pacheco versus Troy Williamson
• 27:50
  for the final eliminator for the Mando. That's
• 27:55
  going to be a loss for whoever. Yeah. Oh, no,
• 27:59
  you don't want to win that. Nobody wants to win
• 28:02
  that fight. The light heavyweight champ is Beeble,
• 28:08
  and he just faced his mandatory Michael Eifert.
• 28:13
  Yep, he certainly faced him. Eifert certainly
• 28:19
  was present in the building on that day. He was
• 28:23
  facing towards Dimitri Beeble. He was looking
• 28:28
  at him, for sure. In a boxing ring, there was
• 28:30
  three minutes passed by. And then he went back
• 28:35
  to the corner for a minute. 12 times though.
• 28:40
  12, exactly. There was a boxing match scheduled.
• 28:48
  Cruiserweight is vacant. We talked about this
• 28:51
  just a second ago. Vidal Riley, he is to face
• 28:55
  the winner of David Naika versus Floyd Masson.
• 28:57
  And that's going to be the winner of that versus
• 29:01
  Vidal Riley. That's your championship fight.
• 29:04
  And Usyk at heavyweight, Frank Sanchez is his
• 29:07
  mandatory. Usyk's dropping that belt. No way
• 29:12
  he bothers with Sanchez. Frank Sanchez is an
• 29:15
  easy peasy one, though. Yeah, that's why I don't
• 29:19
  want to see it. Worth no money. Frank Sanchez.
• 29:23
  God damn it. You know what? We're going to get
• 29:26
  to it. We're going to get to it. I have some
• 29:30
  fun stuff to say about Frank Sanchez because
• 29:32
  this is a really funny turn of events. Honestly,
• 29:36
  I think this is going to be a Tama Sanchez for
• 29:38
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• 29:45
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• 29:53
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  first, Goldenboy on DAZN at the SAP Center in
• 33:34
  San Jose. There were some interesting outcomes,
• 33:37
  but nothing really stood out. Like, nothing was
• 33:41
  particularly special. Darius Fulgham, KO3 over
• 33:46
  Joanki Urrutia. Robin Zafar, split decision.
• 33:51
  Jordan Panthen, the Patriot, gets a stoppage
• 33:54
  in three over John Rivera Pacheco. Scrappy Ramirez,
• 33:59
  UD. over Lucas Fernandez. And Amari Jones, IBF
• 34:05
  mandatory, KO3 over Vincenzo Gualtieri. Honestly,
• 34:12
  the card wasn't bad. It was good. I was pretty
• 34:14
  pleased. It was, like I said, nothing really
• 34:20
  was memory creating. The matchmaking is a little
• 34:25
  weak, but it was fun. That's what you would expect
• 34:29
  with the golden boy. No, but the matchmaking
• 34:32
  could be weak and they could be a bunch of iffy
• 34:35
  decisions instead of a pretty brisk card. It's
• 34:40
  more boxing. We like boxing. They're not cared
• 34:45
  by pro box matchmaking here. It's no pro box.
• 34:48
  Nothing will ever be pro box. Not that level
• 34:51
  of matchmaking. Only pro box is pro box. There's
• 34:54
  two ends of the spectrum. Probox and then Eye
• 34:58
  of the Tiger. Eye of the Tiger is anti -Probox.
• 35:03
  Absolute dog shit fucking matchmaking. Very carefully,
• 35:07
  absolute dog shit. The irony is my favorite Canadian
• 35:12
  fighter is the only one matched competitively,
• 35:15
  but that's because they keep trying to feed him
• 35:18
  to undefeated guys and he keeps winning. Who's
• 35:21
  that? Logan Cloutier, they tried to feed him,
• 35:25
  like, to every Canadian champ, like, every guy
• 35:27
  they like that they were trying to push in, like,
• 35:31
  a three -weight class radius, and he's beaten
• 35:33
  them all, which is really funny that those are
• 35:36
  the only competitive fights on these cards because
• 35:38
  they expect him to lose. They want him to lose.
• 35:41
  They want him to lose so bad. They made him move
• 35:44
  up two weight classes to fight Thomas Chabot
• 35:47
  for, like, the lightweight title and just, nope,
• 35:51
  one -way traffic. I don't know. Tasman fighters
• 35:55
  are, I think, worse. You can never do worse than
• 36:02
  an Aussie. Those are, I think, on par with...
• 36:06
  They're on par. On the bad level. What does the
• 36:11
  famous saying go? Never count on an Aussie. Yeah,
• 36:15
  but a Canadian doesn't even make it to the world
• 36:17
  title shot. That's the thing. They don't make
• 36:19
  it. No, no, we got Steve Claggett. I win this.
• 36:22
  What are you talking about? Didn't Steve Claggett
• 36:24
  just get knocked out? That was a limiter, too.
• 36:28
  Hey, what about Lennox Lewis, guys? Lennox Lewis.
• 36:33
  Who claims him? Everybody, dude. Detroit, Canada.
• 36:38
  Detroit, Canada, the UK, Jamaica all claim him.
• 36:42
  Okay. He's a real man of the world. Man of the
• 36:47
  world. Well, see... Born in Jamaica, came to
• 36:50
  Canada, grew up here. Won us a gold medal. Won
• 36:54
  us the gold medal. Went to the UK to start his
• 36:57
  professional career and ended up linking up with
• 37:00
  Steward with Manny in Detroit. He's a crunk man.
• 37:07
  He is a crunk man. He's probably the very best
• 37:11
  crunk man. Very best crunk heavyweight. That's
• 37:16
  a better answer. I was going to say, I was thinking
• 37:18
  of Hearns, but I was like, yeah, Hearns. Hearns
• 37:20
  is the Kronk band. Glory at Giza on DAZN. Holy
• 37:30
  shit, what a spectacle. And what an interesting
• 37:34
  run of events they had. To start us off, we had
• 37:39
  Bastet Mizuki Hiruta, the WBO super flyweight
• 37:44
  champ. Got a UD over my Soliman. Soliman was
• 37:48
  fucking game. A lot better than I was... I thought
• 37:51
  she was just coming in to get her ass kicked.
• 37:55
  But Soliman fucking... She put up a good fight.
• 38:00
  Tough, strong. I'm interested to see more of
• 38:04
  her. Very fun woman's fight. We now say goodbye
• 38:07
  to Mizuki Hiruda as she is... Gabi food? Going
• 38:12
  to fight Gabi. One loss isn't going to end her
• 38:17
  career. Well, that's more the ground beef that
• 38:21
  Gabby's going to turn her into than the loss,
• 38:24
  but we salute her. Her outfits were always crazy
• 38:28
  good. Will she still be cute after Gabby's finished
• 38:30
  with her? Of course. Her cuteness is 90 % personality.
• 38:36
  That's true. You're right. You're absolutely
• 38:39
  right. That being said, we still salute her for
• 38:41
  her service. We honor your sacrifice. She ain't
• 38:46
  dead yet. You know who is dead? We're not going
• 38:50
  to salute her after. She's not going to see it.
• 38:52
  You know who is dead? Richard Torres, knocked
• 38:56
  out in two by Frank Sanchez. Goodness gracious.
• 39:02
  I did not expect it to go this way. I really
• 39:07
  thought Frank Sanchez, being a Cuban 33, I thought
• 39:11
  that meant he was more like 43. And with his
• 39:14
  recent knee issues, I didn't think that his like
• 39:18
  older body was going to be able to get over it.
• 39:21
  But proven wrong. I think I'm thinking Torres.
• 39:27
  I saw the first thing I hopped on Twitter that
• 39:30
  morning and I saw someone post Richard Torres
• 39:33
  fight day. And it was him ducking into a shovel
• 39:38
  hook and getting laid the fuck out as an amateur.
• 39:42
  And I laughed at it, and I moved on with my day.
• 39:44
  And then I saw him ducking down into the same
• 39:47
  area, like zone, during the fight. I was like,
• 39:51
  oh my god, the tweet was prophetic. Was that
• 39:53
  Jalalov that did the... Yes. Both times. Both
• 39:58
  times. Sanchez saw that too. They were definitely
• 40:03
  training to hit him doing that. Then I saw Torres
• 40:08
  start doing the same thing where every time he
• 40:10
  just, no matter what, duck into that same zone.
• 40:13
  And I was like, oh my god, the tweet. Then it
• 40:16
  happened. And I was like, oh. The hook didn't
• 40:19
  even hit that hard if you saw the replay in the
• 40:22
  close -up. Like... It's just that he... He ducked
• 40:28
  into it. Right on the button. Yeah, that's what
• 40:31
  I'm saying. Sanchez threw that as a get -off
• 40:34
  -me punch and more... It evokes that... It evokes
• 40:42
  that Tyson's very white knockout where he threw
• 40:46
  a very everyday shot to word it correctly. And
• 40:52
  it... connected cleanly and took him out. It
• 40:58
  was a perfect shot. I mean, honestly, I mean,
• 41:02
  after seeing Torres, Torres already started the
• 41:05
  fight and he was doing that. And once I saw that,
• 41:08
  I knew it was kind of pretty much over. Because
• 41:11
  this guy, I mean, as much as you want to, as
• 41:13
  much as we shit on Frank Sanchez for being an
• 41:15
  old Cuban, he's still an experienced Cuban who
• 41:18
  knows these things. Eddie Reynoso was saying
• 41:21
  in the corner, like, his exact, not exact words,
• 41:26
  but like the, to paraphrase, it was like, he
• 41:30
  keeps ducking down this same way. So make, watch,
• 41:33
  wait for him to do that dumb fuck move and then
• 41:36
  throw a shot right there. Who trains Richard
• 41:40
  Torres? I think he's with Bomek. Bomek now. For
• 41:45
  this one. Oh, my God. You know what? Having seen
• 41:48
  it his whole career, I'm assuming it's just a
• 41:50
  habit when the lights are on him. Eric says Lubin
• 41:57
  had the same habit. It's only happened with Torres
• 42:01
  in, like, his big fights. Like, the lights...
• 42:05
  It's definitely something mental that gets him
• 42:08
  reverting into that. Because, like... It was
• 42:11
  whatever youth, like, world championships and
• 42:15
  the amateurs that Joe Love iced them the first
• 42:17
  time. It was the Olympics, and it was here under
• 42:22
  the lights. I'm going to be honest. I have never,
• 42:25
  I can't remember a time where I wished if I had
• 42:28
  a Pop Dirty for PEDs than I did for Frank Sanchez.
• 42:33
  I just hope that it may be used on something,
• 42:38
  dude. That's old man strength. You saw how far
• 42:42
  back his hairline was. That's old man strength.
• 42:45
  I just wish it wasn't Eddie getting the win.
• 42:48
  Yeah, I'm confused, though. Do you guys see the
• 42:52
  picture? He looked like Fat LeBron. The one where
• 42:57
  Davil said, stop the cap. He's only 33. Yeah,
• 43:01
  that one. And I'm just like, what is LeBron doing
• 43:04
  here and not Cancun, bro? Oh, God. Took a break
• 43:10
  from Cancun. Yeah. I mean, honestly, with the
• 43:14
  leisure that he took out Richard Torres with,
• 43:17
  you might as like, yeah, I believe it. Oh, my
• 43:23
  God. Well, this fight was the catalyst for one
• 43:27
  of the one hour fucking breaks that we had to
• 43:30
  deal with. I'm so glad that we got to sit through
• 43:34
  that. Great show running, guys. Jack Catterall.
• 43:38
  I love Chris Mannix. I know. I love hearing him
• 43:40
  talk about bullshit. Jack Catterall, UD over
• 43:47
  Shakram Giyasov. Jack Ron is... He's still there.
• 43:55
  You know what? The Philly Cat's got the moves,
• 43:57
  dude. Philly Cat's still around. Philly Cat's
• 44:00
  got the moves. I think he could have stopped
• 44:02
  this guy. He could have. He should have. pushed
• 44:07
  it a little more. If he had Bozy telling him,
• 44:10
  like, get the fuck to work. Yeah, like, if he
• 44:14
  just go, just push a bit more. I'm not sure if,
• 44:17
  it might have been something that was conditioning
• 44:19
  because he did travel. He went from Philly back
• 44:22
  to the UK to train for this and then here, so
• 44:24
  it could have been a conditioning thing where
• 44:26
  he just couldn't get settled and do as much road
• 44:29
  work as he might have liked to because it seemed
• 44:33
  like he was pacing himself. But also, you don't
• 44:35
  need to pace yourself when you just get the fuck
• 44:37
  out of there. The referee was pretty keen on
• 44:40
  stepping in if he just put a bit more on him.
• 44:45
  When did he get the KD? Was it round one or two?
• 44:49
  I think it was one. It was one. One. It was one.
• 44:55
  All right. It was one, but I'm like, he had him
• 44:57
  rocked since round one, and Yasov just did not.
• 45:00
  So it seemed like a pacing thing where, like,
• 45:04
  rather than willingness or being gun -shy or
• 45:08
  just not being able to. He had a very economical
• 45:13
  output. Imagine being Mando for so long only
• 45:18
  to lose to Reform Brit. I mean, it happened to...
• 45:22
  Fuck, there was a guy that Cody Crowley beat
• 45:25
  before Cody Crowley retired the Duck Boots. who
• 45:33
  was the IBF mandatory for ages. I can't hear.
• 45:39
  Kudratillo Abdukarov. Yeah, Kudratillo. Yeah,
• 45:45
  he was the IBF, and he kept taking, like, step
• 45:49
  -aside bunnies so Spence could go fighting guys.
• 45:53
  And then Crowley just washed him the same way.
• 46:01
  So that was Donair Gabayo. But this happened.
• 46:06
  I'm so sad. But it's like it does happen. And
• 46:10
  it's not uncommon for an IBF mandatory to sit
• 46:12
  on that for so long that they. Someone was good.
• 46:17
  This is WBA. You know, surprised it kind of went
• 46:22
  through with that, considering how they are.
• 46:24
  Well, they they recreated the regular title for
• 46:27
  this. Thank you. Yeah, it's a bunch of bull.
• 46:30
  Thank you, Roley. Roley's a super champ? Yep.
• 46:35
  Really? He's a super champ, and he's in recess
• 46:38
  because he's retired at the same time. It's great.
• 46:41
  That's funny, guys. It's like making Teal. It's
• 46:43
  like making Devin Haney the, what do they do?
• 46:46
  The fucking global champ or something? Or what
• 46:50
  was between Loma and Teal? They made Loma the
• 46:52
  franchise champion. Oh, the franchise champion
• 46:54
  bullshit, yeah. We love that, guys. It's a non
• 46:57
  -transferable title, except for that fight with
• 47:01
  Teofimo Lopez. We love this, guys. We love the
• 47:04
  WBA. We love the WBC. We can never do any wrong.
• 47:07
  Hey, that's fair. You know what? I'm on board
• 47:10
  with some WBC hate. We already defended them
• 47:12
  enough this pod. With that cruiserweight. We
• 47:16
  already gave them enough grace. They deserve
• 47:20
  hate. All the hate in the world. Do you hate...
• 47:25
  Hamza Shiraz for getting that KO2 over Alan Begich.
• 47:29
  No, I hate the WBO for not finding anyone better.
• 47:33
  Nah, fuck you. I still hate Hamza Shiraz. We
• 47:37
  do not like Hamza Shiraz himself. Adamas is moving
• 47:39
  up to 168. They could have a rematch for Shiraz's
• 47:42
  belt. Shiraz is not fighting any live meat besides
• 47:45
  Canelo. That's what they're saving him for. They're
• 47:48
  gonna cash him out like that. That would make
• 47:52
  sense for what Turkey wants to do. Bayday? Bayday?
• 47:56
  You want Bayday? Adamas. Adamas is... Adamas...
• 48:00
  An Adamas rematch at 168 is also a very fun fight.
• 48:06
  And... It's not like Turkey doesn't like Adamas
• 48:11
  as one of his action figures either. Yeah. So...
• 48:16
  Alright. On to our main event, or... The one
• 48:21
  I was like, oh lord. Oleksandr Usyk stops Rico
• 48:26
  Verhoeven in 11. At the end of the 11. The dying
• 48:32
  seconds of round 11. I'll start this by noting
• 48:37
  that Usyk is 39. And he won. The referee claimed
• 48:45
  that because of the crowd noise, he didn't hear
• 48:50
  the bell. He would not have stopped it if he
• 48:55
  had heard the bell. That's fair. Also, did you
• 48:59
  see how Rico got slumped in that knockdown? Oh
• 49:03
  yeah, face down, ass up. Honestly, pretty restrained
• 49:09
  for a British referee to not just step in and
• 49:12
  wave it off on a knockdown that was that. That
• 49:17
  looked like that. And he threw his mouthpiece
• 49:21
  out, given a bunch of time. Yeah, he got like
• 49:24
  40 seconds to recover. So, you know, it was a
• 49:30
  two -way street of... I will say that I think
• 49:36
  if the fight had not been stopped, if Rico had
• 49:41
  been sent to his corner, and even if he got his
• 49:43
  full minute, I still think Usyk would have stopped
• 49:46
  him in the 12th. I disagree. I think, honestly,
• 49:54
  you wouldn't be able to tell. Again, I don't
• 49:58
  know how his recovery is in boxing, but from
• 50:00
  what I've seen in kickboxing, what I've heard,
• 50:02
  he has great recovery. He's been knocked down
• 50:05
  and gone off the canvas and won fights. With
• 50:09
  the worst knockdowns. Yeah, but there's a difference.
• 50:12
  All those worst knockdowns have happened early
• 50:15
  in a fight and not in the 11th. I don't know.
• 50:19
  I mean, again, you're never going to know. We
• 50:21
  could throw it back and forth all day, but we're
• 50:24
  never going to know. I'm of the camp of just
• 50:27
  being a hater. I want to see the world burn.
• 50:31
  Two of the scorecards were tied going into the
• 50:35
  11th. With the knockdown, there's no way. Yeah,
• 50:39
  no, there was always going to be a kangaroo quarter
• 50:41
  fight. The knockdown, that's it. That was the
• 50:45
  fight, whether you stop it or not. Before that
• 50:48
  knockdown, though, I mean, come on. We got to
• 50:50
  talk about the elephant in the room, though.
• 50:52
  We got to address this. Were you scoring the
• 50:55
  fight round by round, or as Leo said, it vibes?
• 50:58
  I was vibe scoring. Yeah, vibe scoring, it's
• 51:02
  more competitive than if you went round by round.
• 51:06
  Well, my thing, even though if you scored round
• 51:07
  by round, no matter what, this guy should not
• 51:10
  have been even remotely close. He was overweight.
• 51:17
  He didn't train for the fight. How can you train
• 51:18
  for a guy that has no tape in boxing? You know?
• 51:22
  I'm going to give him, you know, some amount
• 51:25
  of excuse, but come on. Was that a Discord person
• 51:26
  talking about tape or whatever? Tape? What do
• 51:31
  you mean? No, not you. I'm not saying it was
• 51:33
  you, but... No, someone on the Discord was. I
• 51:35
  just, honestly, I think... I don't even think
• 51:39
  Usyk underperformed that. bad we oh come on dude
• 51:43
  don't give me that bullshit we put him on this
• 51:46
  ridiculous pedestal when like every other like
• 51:52
  remotely like good or great historically or even
• 51:56
  in this era they'll fight an inferior opponent
• 51:59
  and they'll they actually lose and they look
• 52:02
  way worse I don't know, dude. It was a pretty
• 52:08
  bad performance, no matter what way you look
• 52:09
  at it. Yeah, Uzi showed up fat as shit and looked
• 52:11
  terrible, and he still, you know, wasn't as bad
• 52:15
  as other historical bad performances. I mean,
• 52:18
  compared to the Tyson Fury and Francis Ngannou
• 52:20
  fight, I mean, at least Uzi wasn't knocked down,
• 52:23
  but that's such a low bar. I mean, the bar I'm
• 52:26
  also setting is Dubois getting knocked down and
• 52:30
  having his ACL torn by Kevin Moreno. Who had
• 52:35
  no credentials before that fight. At all. In
• 52:39
  any sport. You're not wrong here. So like if
• 52:44
  we're looking. And most guys. Most guys historically
• 52:48
  at heavyweight. At 39 are out. Like they are
• 52:51
  not. They're not even losing to like. People
• 52:57
  who are good at. Like they're losing to scrubs.
• 52:59
  That they're supposed to beat. At least for me,
• 53:03
  the way I see it, I don't think the age is necessarily
• 53:06
  relevant. It's not relevant to the point where...
• 53:09
  Uzi was fat. He was out of shape. He just wasn't
• 53:14
  prepared for what he was going to face. He thought
• 53:16
  he was going to get in there and knock him out.
• 53:18
  A lot of the discussion I see online is about
• 53:20
  where he sits historically. And it's like, guys
• 53:24
  usually aren't holding on to world titles at
• 53:26
  39. It's a new thing. It's a pretty new thing.
• 53:32
  And guys aren't confidently holding on to world
• 53:35
  titles at 39. I still got Usyk against majority
• 53:41
  of the people. The majority of the guys. Top
• 53:45
  five all time still to me. Still very. Like the
• 53:49
  way I saw it was a thought. I shared this with
• 53:51
  Leo beforehand, but there's a thought experiment
• 53:53
  I saw on. NBA Twitter recently where you with
• 53:58
  every all -time great you cut their first their
• 54:00
  worst playoff series because it's not representative
• 54:05
  of what their body of work actually entails yeah
• 54:09
  it just looks like this is always going to be
• 54:11
  an asterisk on his on his resume well I don't
• 54:15
  know like do you consider do you consider like
• 54:18
  like if you look at Ali's body of work do you
• 54:22
  consider Trevor Burbick and Chuck Wepner and
• 54:25
  Leon Spinks as, like, this is going to affect
• 54:28
  his legacy things? Or do you go, like, that was
• 54:31
  a bad performance? There's a big difference.
• 54:35
  There's a big difference, though. Yeah, he lost
• 54:37
  two of them. No, but the big difference is that,
• 54:40
  I mean, obviously his health was a lot more deteriorated
• 54:43
  than how Usyk is right now. Muhammad Ali, by
• 54:46
  the end of his career, was even Muhammad Ali.
• 54:48
  No, but, okay. So, Burbick, we can... Burbick
• 54:51
  is the one we scratched. Burbick and Holmes we
• 54:53
  scratched, but Leon Spinks was still... Yeah.
• 54:57
  That's the last one. 7 -0. Younger than Usyk
• 55:00
  is right now. Losing against a similar opponent
• 55:04
  with, like... Because everyone points at the
• 55:08
  Olympic gold medal, but it was a very weak Olympic
• 55:11
  class that Spinks won from. He had seven fights
• 55:14
  against Bums. I don't even know how he got that
• 55:18
  damn fight. He dominated Ali. I genuinely wonder
• 55:23
  what the discourse was back then regarding that
• 55:24
  fight. Like, what the fuck, 7 -0? You gotta be
• 55:28
  fucking kidding me. Oh, we love Leon Spinks.
• 55:30
  He's the worst brother. Leon was the worst brother.
• 55:34
  Yeah. Michael Spinks was the better brother the
• 55:38
  whole time, so you're just... Worst relative.
• 55:40
  You got Corey Spinks, too. What's worse? Rico,
• 55:43
  whatever, all -time great in a combat sport who
• 55:46
  comes in and still gets stopped but has, like,
• 55:49
  a competitive performance, or this 23 -year -old
• 55:54
  who has fought nobody and has, like, a gold medal
• 55:58
  during the apex of Olympic corruption and, like,
• 56:01
  tomfoolery, shows up and dominates your guy for
• 56:05
  15 rounds, claims that belt. Because... That
• 56:11
  was the WBC being like, yeah, we'll rank him.
• 56:14
  Why not? Or, I mean, Mike Tyson was out of the
• 56:21
  sport at this age, if you're going to go for
• 56:23
  popular examples. Riddick Bowe was out of the
• 56:25
  sport. Vladimir Klitschko was dominating nobody's
• 56:32
  at this point. Yeah. Like, Holmes will, like...
• 56:38
  was like... Holmes was also dropping belts at
• 56:41
  this point. Like, it's... I don't think... I
• 56:47
  think the discourse is very disingenuous with
• 56:49
  Usyk because Leo made a good point pre -pod about
• 56:52
  how nostalgia affects how people view heavyweights
• 56:55
  and heavyweight historical discussion more than
• 56:58
  like... the reality. Actual in -ring performances.
• 57:02
  Yeah. Because the reality of heavyweight is that
• 57:05
  it is never... as it is the pinnacle of our sport
• 57:09
  spectacle and entertainment -wise because they
• 57:12
  are giants among men, but they are not the most
• 57:17
  skilled fighters and haven't been for a very
• 57:19
  long time in this sport. Y 'all talking about
• 57:23
  Joe Frazier, huh? No, I'm talking about how the
• 57:26
  second talented lower -weight fighters appeared,
• 57:29
  the term pound -for -pound was coined. It's the
• 57:35
  second, like the very second we got talented
• 57:37
  lower weight fighters. Like, that's the discourse.
• 57:42
  Because, yes, size will always dominate, but
• 57:45
  these guys are clearly better. The second Sugar
• 57:50
  Ray Leonard popped up on the scene, that whole...
• 57:53
  Yeah, but Sugar Ray Leonard brought it back,
• 57:56
  though. Because after Sugar Ray Robinson, then
• 57:58
  you had the heavyweights take over. And for 20
• 58:01
  years, I mean, you can't really name... But even
• 58:04
  then, you still look at old time per pound lists,
• 58:07
  and it's like, heavyweights are there for strength
• 58:10
  of resume, and then you have the lower weight
• 58:12
  guys who are eye test. And it's something that
• 58:16
  speaks to how good Usyk is, that these discussions
• 58:21
  are had over him in ring with his skill, rather
• 58:28
  than old heavyweight discussions. Since he's
• 58:34
  a heavyweight, he is going to be burdened by
• 58:37
  nostalgia rather than the reality of him being
• 58:41
  an actual pound -for -pound guy at heavyweight.
• 58:47
  That's facts. So, yes, he was fat as shit, and
• 58:51
  it was a bad performance, and he should feel
• 58:54
  bad about it. Will Caballel wash him in three
• 58:57
  rounds? Absolutely not. You got people definitely
• 59:01
  thinking that, though. Oh, people are going to
• 59:03
  think that, and I think this is a... Cavalier,
• 59:06
  again, I'll go on the Cavalier rant one more
• 59:09
  time about how this is a very Dillian White 2018
• 59:11
  run. Because he beat up a bunch of guys who were,
• 59:19
  like, on the fringe of getting a shot, but were
• 59:21
  never really going to get one. I mean, he beat
• 59:25
  Mark Rudolph, he beat Frank Sanchez. I mean,
• 59:29
  he did beat decent guys. Yeah, but so did White.
• 59:32
  White beat Joseph Parker and Oscar Rivas. I'm
• 59:38
  not trying to knock down Dillian White. No, but
• 59:41
  I'm saying this is a very similar type of run
• 59:43
  where he beat names that look good but aren't,
• 59:47
  like, exceptional in ways that weren't particularly
• 59:51
  out of this world, that were more the flaws of
• 59:54
  the guys he was fighting. I mean, he was throwing
• 59:58
  – I mean, we've got to be honest, too. Cabellos
• 1:00:00
  was really throwing as, you know, food for Makhmudov.
• 1:00:04
  Well, yeah, he was – White was the rebound for
• 1:00:07
  Joseph Parker after losing to AJ, and Rivas was
• 1:00:09
  an exciting Colombian prospect that Eddie Hearn
• 1:00:12
  just signed. Yeah. So it's – I mean, yeah, I
• 1:00:15
  see a comparison. Yeah, it's a very – It's a
• 1:00:16
  very similar run. Cabellos is a lot smarter than
• 1:00:22
  White is and will not throw it away against Povetkin,
• 1:00:24
  the Povetkin type. He's going to sit on his title
• 1:00:28
  shot until he gets it, but it's still going to
• 1:00:31
  be about as embarrassing. I mean, do we really
• 1:00:36
  think that Capito is going to get that shot,
• 1:00:37
  though? Because I don't. Well, the options are
• 1:00:41
  kind of limited for Usyk. Usyk can just go fight
• 1:00:45
  whoever he wants. Remember what we said, he can
• 1:00:47
  fight easy fights at this point. He doesn't have
• 1:00:49
  to take hard fights. He doesn't have to. He can
• 1:00:50
  make the same amount of money. See, the thing
• 1:00:53
  is, it's going to be real funny when, like, see,
• 1:00:58
  I prefer the path that Usyk embarrasses him and
• 1:01:01
  retires, right? But if we're being real, he's
• 1:01:08
  going to get that vacant title shot, or he's
• 1:01:11
  just going to get it, and then he's going to
• 1:01:12
  have to fight someone who is actually belonging
• 1:01:16
  in that space instead of a fringe contender.
• 1:01:22
  And it's not going to look competitive. Because,
• 1:01:25
  yes, the stoppages look impressive. But you have
• 1:01:30
  to remember that the boxing acumen, this is still
• 1:01:32
  the same guy who had to ban Chisora's team from
• 1:01:36
  entering the country to get a leg up on him.
• 1:01:43
  This is still the same guy. And the thing is
• 1:01:49
  that I feel like Andy Ruiz... is a very, like,
• 1:01:53
  Povetkin at that moment type opponent. Where,
• 1:01:57
  okay, he's on the wrong end of 30, he's washed
• 1:02:02
  up, he hasn't had, like, a meaningful fight in
• 1:02:05
  a bit. Like, Povetkin K was coming off, had,
• 1:02:08
  like, a two -year layoff after getting sparked
• 1:02:10
  out by AJ. Or, no, he beat Huey Fury with a very
• 1:02:18
  laborious decision. I'm not taking that into
• 1:02:22
  your wee slander, dude. Was Alexander Pavetkin
• 1:02:25
  on Jimmy Fallon tonight? Come on, go. Come on.
• 1:02:29
  Alexander Pavetkin would have knocked out Jarrell
• 1:02:32
  Miller. Hey, he didn't have a pizza joint. Alexander
• 1:02:37
  Pavetkin never got caught on a YouTube channel,
• 1:02:40
  like, scarfing down XL pizzas while in training
• 1:02:44
  camp. So I'm saying, like, they're a very similar
• 1:02:47
  type of, like, I'm not saying they're bad, but
• 1:02:50
  I'm saying they're not well -regarded at this
• 1:02:52
  point in time contenders. Down to the left contender
• 1:02:57
  who needs it. 100 % agree. There's a non -zero
• 1:03:00
  chance, especially because, like, let's be real,
• 1:03:03
  Caballel's chin is not... Like, it's not what
• 1:03:09
  everyone perceives it to be. It's not indomitable.
• 1:03:14
  Like, the shot that Zang caught him was not,
• 1:03:16
  like, a typical, like, Shane catches you clean
• 1:03:20
  shot. It was a very, like, glancing. Like, just
• 1:03:24
  grazing type of shot, huh? Clipped him, he went
• 1:03:27
  down. You saw the rounds that Chizora won when
• 1:03:30
  he fought him were Chizora hurting him with the
• 1:03:33
  same old sloppy stuff. So, you know. Is a lot
• 1:03:38
  of what Kabayel, what people rate Kabayel to
• 1:03:43
  be a tough challenge for Usyk, is it all age
• 1:03:45
  -related? Because that's what it seems like to
• 1:03:47
  me. Age and the made -up, like, Usyk is weak
• 1:03:51
  to body shots thing. When I'm like, we watched...
• 1:03:56
  We already watched this meme happen at Cruiserweights.
• 1:04:01
  Right? Like, it's been a meme for years that,
• 1:04:04
  like, oh, Usyk's weak to body shots because,
• 1:04:07
  like, Braindust gave him trouble. But Braindust
• 1:04:09
  gave him trouble everywhere. Usyk's just weak
• 1:04:13
  to... Usyk's just weak to kickboxers. Everyone's
• 1:04:16
  weak to getting punched, I guess, right? Like,
• 1:04:20
  I don't know. Like, I watched Usyk. Like, Gassiev's
• 1:04:24
  best work, aside from, like, the right hand that
• 1:04:26
  everyone remembers from that fight, were body
• 1:04:29
  shots to try and slow Usyk down. Did not work.
• 1:04:32
  Bellew, same thing. And Bellew ended up gassing
• 1:04:35
  himself out, focusing on body shots. And, you
• 1:04:38
  know, the meme kind of died down because AJ just
• 1:04:41
  could not crack him. And then we had the Dubois
• 1:04:44
  low blow thing where I'm like, Hey, like, I don't
• 1:04:49
  care if it grazes your dick. If a guy that big
• 1:04:52
  who hits that hard grazes your dick with a punch,
• 1:04:55
  you're gonna have that reaction. Have y 'all
• 1:04:59
  ever been flicked in the balls? That shit fucking
• 1:05:01
  hurts you, dude. Yeah, because it's like, oh,
• 1:05:02
  it, like, flicked him and then landed a bit higher,
• 1:05:04
  and I'm like, dude, that's Daniel Dubois. Yeah.
• 1:05:07
  Flicking a dude in the nuts, like... Yeah, it's
• 1:05:10
  gonna hurt no matter what. So the meme is that
• 1:05:13
  he's weak to body shots, but also, like... Frank
• 1:05:17
  Sanchez's knee was falling off the joint and
• 1:05:19
  Mac Madoff is Mac Madoff. And I think I had this
• 1:05:26
  argument already with people online with Zhang
• 1:05:30
  because, oh, look, Zhang was taken out with body
• 1:05:32
  shots too. And I'm like, this guy's kidney failure
• 1:05:34
  because he doesn't drink water. This is also
• 1:05:39
  another angle that, I mean, people see Cabello
• 1:05:42
  as the boogeyman of heavyweight. Everybody's
• 1:05:45
  avoiding him. The way you described, I mean,
• 1:05:47
  he just beat average contenders that were also
• 1:05:52
  seen as, you know. Like, he was seen as a boogeyman,
• 1:05:57
  too. He's not. He beat solid contenders who could
• 1:06:00
  not cut it with that last step to getting a title
• 1:06:04
  shot. Like, solid B -level guys. B -level contenders,
• 1:06:07
  exactly. And White did the same thing. Like,
• 1:06:11
  again, it's the same type of run. It's just that,
• 1:06:15
  like, Cabell's less obnoxious about it. There's
• 1:06:18
  no, like, 300 days Wilder's ducking me. Like,
• 1:06:23
  there's no... It's basically all Usyk hate, because
• 1:06:27
  with White, it was British fight fans. It was
• 1:06:30
  how in your face him being the mandatory was.
• 1:06:33
  It was Wilder hate. Like, there are many factors
• 1:06:39
  that led to that situation being what it was,
• 1:06:41
  but this is... Just the low key. Low key, like,
• 1:06:45
  it's less in your face, but it's the same, like,
• 1:06:49
  it's a very paper contender who, you know what,
• 1:06:53
  Cabell might actually pick up the belt once Usyk
• 1:06:55
  lets him go. Because that's the difference between
• 1:06:58
  being in a transitionary period instead of right
• 1:07:01
  in the middle of an era. But do we sincerely
• 1:07:04
  believe he beats Usyk or Dubois or Atama? No.
• 1:07:15
  All right. We got to keep rolling. Oh, yeah.
• 1:07:19
  Last words for Gloria Giza. I got to say it was
• 1:07:24
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• 1:07:28
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• 1:07:31
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• 1:07:35
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• 1:07:41
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• 1:07:46
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• 1:07:50
  Erdman for their stuff. Good. Put the Top Rank
• 1:07:53
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• 1:07:57
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• 1:08:00
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• 1:08:04
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• 1:08:08
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• 1:08:10
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• 1:08:13
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• 1:08:16
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• 1:08:20
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• 1:08:24
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• 1:08:27
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• 1:08:29
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• 1:08:33
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• 1:08:37
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• 1:08:40
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• 1:08:43
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• 1:08:48
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• 1:08:51
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• 1:08:55
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• 1:08:57
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• 1:09:01
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• 1:09:04
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• 1:09:09
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• 1:09:13
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• 1:09:21
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• 1:09:25
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• 1:09:28
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• 1:09:30
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• 1:09:35
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• 1:12:53
  it's all right. It's not a bad weekend. It's
• 1:12:55
  pro box in here. Yeah. It's never a bad weekend
• 1:12:59
  in pro box. Starting on Thursday, June 4th, Eye
• 1:13:03
  of the Tiger at the Montreal Casino. The headline
• 1:13:07
  is Albert Ramirez versus Lerone Richards. The
• 1:13:11
  super soldier, Imam Katsayev. He's back. We had
• 1:13:16
  that mind -to -mind connection because I was
• 1:13:18
  like, Captain America's right here. Yeah. That's
• 1:13:24
  about all I got on this one. What do you got?
• 1:13:27
  I have a highlight here. Wyatt Sanford is fighting
• 1:13:32
  on this card. He is Canada's first Olympic medalist.
• 1:13:35
  It's basically Lennox Lewis. Woof. Definitely
• 1:13:39
  worth keeping an eye on. Doesn't matter. So he's
• 1:13:41
  worth keeping an eye on. He's worth keeping an
• 1:13:43
  eye on. He's fighting Juan Pablo Uruguay from
• 1:13:48
  Uruguay, who is not great. But he's definitely
• 1:13:54
  a guy you are going to see in the IBF rankings
• 1:13:58
  eventually. Especially at lightweights. Especially
• 1:14:03
  as lightweight empties out. You're going to see
• 1:14:08
  it sooner than later because he's also 27. You'll
• 1:14:12
  see him fight for the mandatory spot. Sam Noakes,
• 1:14:16
  probably. Yeah. He's probably going to have to
• 1:14:19
  go through Sam Noakes for that. I mean, it's
• 1:14:23
  Sam Noakes. It's a name to recognize rather than
• 1:14:27
  a name to follow. Keep an eye on it. Yeah, we
• 1:14:31
  keep track of a lot of fighters on here. That's
• 1:14:35
  your new job, Josh. You got to keep letting us
• 1:14:37
  know about updates on that guy. On Sanford? You're
• 1:14:41
  going to see him on every Eye of the Tiger card
• 1:14:43
  until he either loses or gets a title shot. That's
• 1:14:47
  usually how they build their guys. Bazran was
• 1:14:50
  basically headlining these things until he got
• 1:14:52
  smoked in that WBC Grand Prix tournament. And
• 1:14:56
  now he's on a no -name promotion, unfortunately.
• 1:15:01
  So that's just how it goes for these Canadian
• 1:15:03
  prospects. Friday, June 5th, ProBoxTV. At the
• 1:15:10
  College Park Center in Arlington, Texas. I don't
• 1:15:15
  really recognize any of these people, but it
• 1:15:18
  doesn't really matter. Because with ProBox, you
• 1:15:20
  get competitive fights. That's all that matters.
• 1:15:27
  Saturday, June 6th. Starting with... She's not
• 1:15:31
  here anymore. Shanada Card. Kameda Promotions
• 1:15:35
  on Abima. At the Aichi Arena. In no shit, Aichi,
• 1:15:40
  Nagoya, Japan. We don't need Shinada for this
• 1:15:44
  one. This one's pretty fun. It's a pretty damn
• 1:15:45
  good card. I'm just going to list them all from
• 1:15:48
  the bottom up. Shurioka vs. Adilet Kachkinbekov.
• 1:15:54
  I think I got that right. Seya Meguro vs. Nozigit
• 1:15:58
  Duyashbev. Fuck. I'm not nailing it. Aoi Yokoyama.
• 1:16:08
  This is a good prospect here. Older prospect.
• 1:16:12
  Versus Vince Paras. Masamichi Yabuki. We talked
• 1:16:15
  about him earlier. Versus Rene Calixo. Willy
• 1:16:20
  Baldo Garcia. Talked about him too. Versus Andrew
• 1:16:23
  Maloney. Those are two IBF title fights. Kenneth
• 1:16:29
  Lover versus Michael Angeletti. This is an IBF
• 1:16:33
  final eliminator. at 118 and headlining Luis
• 1:16:36
  Neri versus John Riel Casimiro. Neri Casimiro
• 1:16:45
  is going to be a good fight. That's going to
• 1:16:47
  be a shootout. I don't have a lot of faith in
• 1:16:51
  Casimiro at this point. Oh, I don't either, but
• 1:16:54
  it'll be a fun for as long as he's around. Yeah,
• 1:16:59
  I suppose. You gotta think of fun value for this,
• 1:17:04
  because realistically, both guys are not going
• 1:17:06
  to do much else. No. You never know. He might
• 1:17:12
  just take it. Casemiro's pushing 40, and Neri
• 1:17:16
  is wrong into 30. I've seen Casemiro have spurts
• 1:17:23
  of success in his recent fights. You never know.
• 1:17:28
  We also saw him get washed by Kameda. flashes
• 1:17:32
  of success yeah flashes of success i think i
• 1:17:37
  think it'll be fun i just don't think both guys
• 1:17:40
  are gonna amount like this is this is a fight
• 1:17:42
  that would have been great like five years ago
• 1:17:44
  don't expect skill um no no just uh bombs i'm
• 1:17:50
  i'm thinking nary bombs them out I forget which
• 1:17:54
  one. Who was the one who was banned from Japan
• 1:17:55
  until Inoue fought him? Neri, right? Yeah, I
• 1:17:59
  was shocked they have Neri headlining a Japanese
• 1:18:01
  card. They love him now. No, they don't love
• 1:18:06
  him. No one loves him. Who's the one that fought
• 1:18:09
  Inoue and they love now? Fulton. Never forget
• 1:18:14
  Fulton when he was fighting Foster. Japanese
• 1:18:18
  boxing user KKK Boxing cheering on Fulton. My
• 1:18:23
  funniest tweet. One of my all -time great tweets.
• 1:18:30
  Moving to Matchroom on DAZN at the Sheffield
• 1:18:35
  Arena in the UK. Who do we got on here? Leo Atang
• 1:18:40
  versus Fuad Shaili. Should be a good time. Well,
• 1:18:46
  alas. Atang is a bit of a bomber. Other than
• 1:18:52
  that, we've got the People's Electrician, Joshua
• 1:18:54
  Padley versus Aqib Fias. I can't even jokingly
• 1:19:02
  gas up Padley anymore now that we've watched
• 1:19:04
  Zach Shelley take his spot as the real working
• 1:19:09
  class man in the UK. The chairman of the proletariat,
• 1:19:15
  Zach Shelley. Yeah, Zach Shelley has usurped
• 1:19:18
  Josh Padley. This whole card is cursed, dude.
• 1:19:25
  Two headliners, gone. It's a hard one, yeah.
• 1:19:29
  It's a tough one to get through. I think, yeah,
• 1:19:34
  no. That's what I have to say. I thought I'd
• 1:19:37
  have more to say. I don't got much more for that
• 1:19:40
  one either. I don't have a lot for Zufa Boxing
• 1:19:43
  7 at the Burnamuth Center in Burnamuth. The main
• 1:19:50
  portion of the card will be Steve McKenna vs.
• 1:19:53
  Casey Streeter. Jack Massey vs. Shavon Clark.
• 1:19:58
  McKenna, Streeter's middleweight. Massey, Clark,
• 1:20:01
  cruiserweight. And Chris Billum -Smith vs. Ryan
• 1:20:04
  Rozicki, also at cruiserweight. Trying to get
• 1:20:08
  a fight for Obitaya. Yeah, he needs opponents.
• 1:20:14
  I kind of want... See, I want Ruziki to win.
• 1:20:20
  Not because I'm patriotic. No, never get that.
• 1:20:23
  Never get the impression that I'm being patriotic
• 1:20:26
  here. I want him to win because he's such a lame
• 1:20:29
  opponent for Opitaya. He's a very lame... At
• 1:20:33
  least with Billum Smith, you can pull the...
• 1:20:36
  Oh, he beat Akoli. He beat Glanton. He beat Akoli.
• 1:20:41
  He only lost to Zerto. He's a worthy cruiserweight.
• 1:20:47
  Roziki, there's no such thing. This is a lame
• 1:20:49
  duck who competes in a very solid decision. Respect
• 1:20:53
  the hate. I need another... I just need a lame
• 1:20:59
  duck opponent for Opitaya. Roziki's a good one.
• 1:21:05
  Roziki's a really good one because he will not
• 1:21:08
  push the pace. He just does not have it in him
• 1:21:11
  to push the pace against a better opponent. And
• 1:21:16
  these cards are already lame as hell. So having
• 1:21:18
  to watch the commentary debase themselves further
• 1:21:22
  at a lame fight is... It's the entertainment
• 1:21:26
  you get out of it. I don't have much to say on
• 1:21:32
  this card. It's... We have a... We... All of
• 1:21:37
  us, we have like a semi -professional obligation
• 1:21:41
  to sort of pay attention to it. But, like, I...
• 1:21:45
  Know that while I will be watching, I'm just
• 1:21:48
  here taking notes. It's in protest. I'm entirely
• 1:21:53
  against SUFA and everything they stand for. And
• 1:21:57
  also their cards suck. But it's boxing. Boxing.
• 1:22:03
  We do boxing. That's our thing. Right. We're
• 1:22:06
  like crack addicts. We'll do good crack and we'll
• 1:22:09
  do bad crack. Until Leo lets us do basketball
• 1:22:11
  and lacrosse coverage. If you can find basketball
• 1:22:16
  people to talk about it with you, I'm here for
• 1:22:19
  it. We're doing the boxing. I actually have something
• 1:22:24
  that I need to pose to you guys. Notifications.
• 1:22:30
  Okay. This was something that got asked on Mastodon.
• 1:22:38
  No kidding. When I posted a little clip of our
• 1:22:43
  podcast. About Benavidez fighting Canelo. And
• 1:22:49
  how I had said. Or we were talking about how
• 1:22:52
  they're being like a really. The fans clearly
• 1:22:56
  demanded it. Because like the fans in the arena.
• 1:22:59
  We were talking about paying customers. Canelo
• 1:23:04
  fans are going to come to watch any fight he's
• 1:23:07
  in. And Benavidez fans are. clearly in demand
• 1:23:12
  for a Canelo fight. And so here's this post from
• 1:23:17
  At Fight Score. Is there really a demand for
• 1:23:22
  Benavidez to fight a smaller Canelo? Shouldn't
• 1:23:25
  he fight top contenders his size, Jai Apataya
• 1:23:29
  or Noir Mikaelian, perhaps? You're really going
• 1:23:35
  to tell me that Mikaelian is more interesting
• 1:23:39
  than Canelo? Well, I mean... The outcome's the
• 1:23:45
  same. It's not an interesting fight, but I mean,
• 1:23:46
  come on. It's in its weight class. You want to
• 1:23:50
  see a domination? That's going to be a domination.
• 1:23:52
  Okay, but Canelo has won belts and challenged
• 1:23:55
  for belts at 175. This is not new. Kovalev was
• 1:24:00
  big at 175. Like... Um... Callum Smith is an
• 1:24:07
  active contender at 75. I genuinely, like, yes,
• 1:24:12
  the fight is largely an exercise in just watching
• 1:24:15
  Canelo get the paste beaten out of him. But,
• 1:24:18
  you know, sometimes those fights just kind of
• 1:24:23
  have to happen. We saw it with Roy Jones' later
• 1:24:27
  career that he chose to have. But I think the
• 1:24:30
  more sticking one is how Bernard Hopkins' last
• 1:24:34
  two fights went, where he fought Kovalev and
• 1:24:36
  Joe Smith Jr. I thought his Bebut Shumanov performance
• 1:24:42
  was fucking good. I couldn't finish that one.
• 1:24:51
  No, you could. Like, I don't know. I think Canelo,
• 1:24:55
  like, it's something that, like... It's ugly,
• 1:24:59
  and you don't want to admit it, but the ugly
• 1:25:01
  passing of the torch is a tradition. And honestly,
• 1:25:06
  Canelo has avoided that moment to a point where
• 1:25:11
  it is no longer viable in his favor, and that's
• 1:25:13
  his fault. Canelo did say in a recent interview
• 1:25:18
  that he wants to pass the torch to Munguia. He
• 1:25:22
  just wants McGee to go die to Benavidez instead
• 1:25:25
  of him. He just doesn't want to give it to a
• 1:25:28
  good Mexican fighter. He's going to give it to
• 1:25:31
  McGee and he's going to move up to 75 because
• 1:25:33
  he's a fat fuck and Benavidez is going to hurt
• 1:25:37
  him in the mulch. They don't like each other.
• 1:25:42
  It's a very good rivalry that, again, partial
• 1:25:47
  blame on Benavidez. How did you lose a WBC title
• 1:25:51
  twice? But there were better contenders than
• 1:25:58
  John Ryder. And Rocky Fielding. Rocky Fielding
• 1:26:06
  was technically for the WBA regular so he could
• 1:26:08
  challenge Smith. There was a purpose there, but
• 1:26:12
  I'm saying in that post -Plant era, Golovkin
• 1:26:17
  3, not needed. Berlanga, Munguia, Ryder, like,
• 1:26:23
  there's all these names that, like, it easily
• 1:26:25
  could have been Benavidez and you still would
• 1:26:27
  have been, it still would have been not an exercise
• 1:26:31
  in futility, you know? Now it's more of a respect
• 1:26:36
  to the fans and respect to the actual next guy
• 1:26:39
  up. I will be clipping this and sending it to
• 1:26:45
  fight score. Especially because he is, this guy
• 1:26:49
  is, Still competing for belts at 168. He is still
• 1:26:55
  relevant. Let's be real. He'd be at 175 full
• 1:27:01
  -time if he beat Bivol. He might even be higher.
• 1:27:07
  He was flirting and fighting Makabu at Cruiserweight.
• 1:27:11
  So he probably could have beaten Michaelia, who's
• 1:27:15
  the guy who knocked Makabu off. Or, no, it was,
• 1:27:19
  uh... Well, Mikaelian beat Badoo Jack and Makabu,
• 1:27:21
  but... The point is, it would have been... This
• 1:27:26
  discussion is entirely, like, a choice from Canelo
• 1:27:29
  past the Kayla plant, but... It's been a choice.
• 1:27:38
  And now that it's kind of the last, like... For
• 1:27:43
  Benavidez, it's that last step to being that
• 1:27:45
  transcendent guy, and for Canelo, it's pretty
• 1:27:48
  much the last viable opponent that will make
• 1:27:52
  the money he kind of commands in this Twilight.
• 1:27:59
  He kind of has to. He no longer has the choice
• 1:28:03
  to prolong it without it being more of a discourse.
• 1:28:12
  Because now we've reached the point where seven
• 1:28:16
  years of his career have been dominated by Benavidez
• 1:28:20
  discussions. Is this his Pacquiao? No. This is
• 1:28:29
  his... This is... This is like if... I'm trying
• 1:28:36
  to think of an example. This is like if Holmes
• 1:28:39
  just never fought Michael Spinks. Or if Hopkins
• 1:28:44
  never fought Tito Trinidad. This is his guy that
• 1:28:52
  he just showed up all wrong for you when you
• 1:28:59
  were age -wise, timeline -wise, all wrong for
• 1:29:03
  him. And not everyone can be Bernard Hopkins
• 1:29:08
  who stops the guy. two weeks after 9 -11. Like,
• 1:29:14
  it's not, again, I'm never saying, I'm never
• 1:29:20
  going to say it's a fight that will be competitive
• 1:29:21
  or makes competitive sense, but it's just the
• 1:29:25
  way Canelo has prolonged it that you've made
• 1:29:31
  your bet. You've stalled as much as you can.
• 1:29:34
  Here it is. This is your last viable opponent
• 1:29:36
  before you retire. Pretty much. As Pauly put
• 1:29:42
  it before people stopped giving a shit. Yeah.
• 1:29:46
  Because, listen, the public put up with Berlanga
• 1:29:51
  and Munguia and Ryder. And at this point, not
• 1:29:57
  only are they fed up, Benavidez is that viable
• 1:30:00
  opponent. They didn't even put up with Skull.
• 1:30:04
  That was... That's when people really started
• 1:30:06
  leaving. Oh, man. And Golovkin 3. Not even Golovkin
• 1:30:12
  3, mainly Skull. He's named, like, five or six
• 1:30:15
  guys that are, like, all, like, these are not
• 1:30:19
  acceptable opponents. Golovkin 3 was somewhat
• 1:30:25
  passable, though. Because it was immediately
• 1:30:27
  after the Dimitri Bivol fight. But now Canelo
• 1:30:30
  is the Golovkin. Yeah. now he's on the other
• 1:30:35
  side of that fence and it's it's just it's not
• 1:30:41
  something that he wants I don't think he ever
• 1:30:45
  wanted he to have this be the kind of crossroads
• 1:30:53
  he's at where it's basically retire or fight
• 1:30:55
  Benavidez cause You're still relevant, but you're
• 1:31:02
  still... Like, if he was on that retirement tour
• 1:31:05
  where he just took, like, celebrity fights, like,
• 1:31:10
  if he fought a guy from the UFC and Jake Paul
• 1:31:12
  and maybe, like, a popular... A kickboxer? Fringe.
• 1:31:17
  That's what I mean. If you're on the retirement
• 1:31:18
  tour, you're on the retirement tour, but he's
• 1:31:20
  fighting for the WBC belt. I guess it's Nbili.
• 1:31:24
  He clearly wants to have another go at it. Yeah,
• 1:31:28
  so, and the thing is that if he didn't, if he
• 1:31:30
  beat Bivol, he'd be at cruiserweight. He was,
• 1:31:33
  there were Usyk talks in that era before Bivol
• 1:31:39
  put a halt to it. So, it's something that if
• 1:31:45
  Turkey puts the money up, it'll happen. And,
• 1:31:48
  you know, looking back at Canelo's career, you'll
• 1:31:51
  question why it didn't happen when he was actually
• 1:31:53
  capable of pulling out a win. I don't think that
• 1:31:58
  fight's ever happening, dude. I'm sorry. I don't
• 1:32:00
  think so either. Even if they put $400 million
• 1:32:05
  on the table, dude, Canelo really doesn't want
• 1:32:08
  to do that. He doesn't need the money at this
• 1:32:10
  point. No. His pride trumps over it. I don't
• 1:32:15
  think it'll happen either, but I think it'll
• 1:32:17
  be a major... You're going to look back at Canelo
• 1:32:21
  and a third of his career will have been Benavidez.
• 1:32:25
  as someone he just never faced. I feel like,
• 1:32:32
  no, I disagree on that. It's been seven years.
• 1:32:35
  That is a third of his career that has been spent
• 1:32:38
  avoiding Benavidez. I understand, yeah, it seems
• 1:32:43
  like now, but in the future, it's going to get
• 1:32:45
  brought up 100%, but I don't think that's going
• 1:32:47
  to be the main focus that people are going to
• 1:32:48
  really get him on. No, because his career...
• 1:32:51
  People are going to throw tinted glasses. His
• 1:32:53
  career has three phases, but the three phases...
• 1:32:57
  Mayweather, Bivol, and Crawford. The three phases
• 1:33:00
  each have their own conversations. Like, getting
• 1:33:03
  fried by Mayweather, whatever, right? But it's
• 1:33:08
  mainly the next two, where you have the controversy
• 1:33:11
  with Golovkin, and you never get a decisive win
• 1:33:14
  at this point in time. And then you transition
• 1:33:19
  into that phase that is now... like after beating
• 1:33:23
  plant it's a third of his career and it's the
• 1:33:25
  most visible third of his career because that's
• 1:33:28
  when he ran boxing as the face of it so i don't
• 1:33:33
  think like it's like yeah i will say it's like
• 1:33:37
  it leo like he never fought pacquiao basic mayweather
• 1:33:39
  never fought pacquiao in terms of like what you
• 1:33:45
  think of when you think of that phase of his
• 1:33:47
  career where he runs the show Well, Mayweather
• 1:33:51
  never fought Winky Wright. People sometimes bring
• 1:33:55
  it up. Yeah, but he didn't run boxing at that
• 1:33:57
  point. It was when Mayweather was the face of
• 1:34:02
  the sport. Like, every guy has an opponent when
• 1:34:06
  they're the face of everything that they usually
• 1:34:09
  end up fighting. Late 2000s, Mayweather ran the
• 1:34:12
  sport, though. But there was still, like, it
• 1:34:16
  was once you hit that showtime era when, like,
• 1:34:20
  Yeah. I got you. When he didn't actually need
• 1:34:24
  to care about who he fought, basically. And the
• 1:34:28
  thing is that he fought enough guys in that era.
• 1:34:30
  He fought Kodo, Mosley, Winky Ray, whatever.
• 1:34:35
  It's the one that got away. It's not at the very
• 1:34:38
  peak of your powers where you run the entire
• 1:34:42
  sport. You don't fight this guy. I mean, people
• 1:34:48
  don't bring up the Riddick bow. What do you mean?
• 1:34:52
  Riddick bow throwing that belt in the trash can
• 1:34:55
  is... No, no, no. Sorry, not Riddick bow. It's
• 1:34:57
  called... It's not Riddick. What's the name?
• 1:35:10
  It came up blank on me. I'm trying to think because
• 1:35:14
  I agree but the thing is that all these guys
• 1:35:16
  fought each other even way too late. Like if
• 1:35:21
  you think of Tyson Lewis it happened way too
• 1:35:24
  late but it happened ever. And it happened at
• 1:35:27
  a time when Tyson was no longer competitive which
• 1:35:29
  is I think a good analog to what's happening
• 1:35:32
  here. It's just... Like, it's something that
• 1:35:39
  will dominate the discussion about the stretch
• 1:35:42
  of his career because it's the most visible.
• 1:35:46
  And unfortunately, yeah, people have nostalgia,
• 1:35:50
  but that nostalgia is a problem when you're an
• 1:35:54
  outlier, historical outlier for the negative.
• 1:36:03
  Like, if you're the one guy who even at the end
• 1:36:06
  of your career never fought, the guy everyone
• 1:36:09
  wanted you to fight, then that's going to be
• 1:36:16
  your career. Well, with that listener comment,
• 1:36:23
  we are going to head out. We're heading into
• 1:36:29
  Kameda weekend. I think that might be the best
• 1:36:33
  card we got. Pro box. Pro box on Friday. Kameda's
• 1:36:37
  on Saturday. Parting words. Stay up. Watch Probox.
• 1:36:43
  Stay up for Kameda. Sleep in and then go for
• 1:36:46
  a walk. Don't watch the rest of it. Nope. Do
• 1:36:52
  not pay for the rest of it either. If you are...
• 1:36:55
  My parting words are just... Fuck Zufa. I'm so
• 1:37:00
  sorry, Richard Torres. Rest in peace. That shit
• 1:37:04
  got me sad. Richard Torres rudely obliterated
• 1:37:08
  before Virgil World title shot. Nah, dude. That's
• 1:37:13
  fate. I'm not going to fall for that rage bait,
• 1:37:15
  dude. You sent me a Discord message being like,
• 1:37:18
  you're so lucky I can't respond right now when
• 1:37:22
  I made the joke earlier. Oh, I got mad over that
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  one. I was like, motherfuckers, dude. They know
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  I can't fucking respond to this shit. I was like,
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  fuck. I was like seething behind the... Behind
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  my fucking mic. Just with the news we got, the
• 1:37:39
  IBF convention, their rulings on mandatories
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  and shit, there's actually some decent fights
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  coming up for IBF. They're not all terrible,
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  as IBF tends to do. And the Matchroom 5x5, the
• 1:37:56
  Matchroom -Queensbury 5v5 rematch. That's pretty
• 1:38:00
  cool. So that's going to do it for this edition
• 1:38:06
  of the Boxing B -Sides. Man, we had a little
• 1:38:10
  bit of a panel shuffle there, but we will be
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  back on the other side of Pro Box and Kameda.
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  How do you want to convince them to watch MMA
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  instead? Or not instead, but just to start watching
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  MMA. I'm going to go, like, a different route
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  than Nathan went. I'm going to go with, first
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  of all, I think MMA has more frequent watchable
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  events. You know, there's some weeks in boxing
• 1:38:52
  where it's, like, it's either super degenerate
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  or, like, no names, whatever. I think in UFC,
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  there's, like, it's slightly better at times.
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  And then... the big big point it's just more
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  hectic i think mma at times is just more hectic
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  you're seeing stuff from street fights all the
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  way to like movie type fights uh you know you
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  got roundhouse kicks uh straight up like bar
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  fights at times uh you just you get a wider range
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  of enjoyable fights i i would say um and then
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  just like i don't know it's just it's more enjoyable
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  the fact The fact that at times you get to see
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  just guys like standing and banging, it's just
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  more primal in a way is what I'd say. That's
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  how I would try to convince like boxing only
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  fans that it's just more if you enjoy chaos.
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  We saw it in the Wild Riches or fight. If you
• 1:39:44
  enjoy that type chaos, you know, because that
• 1:39:47
  wasn't exactly like a bunch of technique in that
• 1:39:49
  fight. But if you enjoyed something like that,
• 1:39:51
  I would definitely try out MMA just because.
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  At times, there is high -level things, and that
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  is incredible to watch. People like Mauricio
• 1:40:01
  Hufi, you're seeing incredible knockouts with
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  kicks. But even the lower -level stuff can be
• 1:40:08
  enjoyable, with people just going to town on
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  each other, standing and banging. That'd probably
• 1:40:15
  be the driving point that I would say to boxing
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  -only fans, is that if you enjoy that chaos,
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  I would say definitely give MMA a try. If you
• 1:40:24
  like chaos, I like that. If you do decide to
• 1:40:28
  give MMA a shot, well, you can check out Ultimate
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  FN Casuals. You can hear us chat about all the
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  fights that happen every weekend, just like on
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  the boxing side.