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E32: Real Masculinity, God and Red Pills, A Conversation with Ruslan KD · The Lila Rose Show

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  So the interesting thing about the red pill is that they assess
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  the right problems but prescribe the worst solution.
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  So they'll assess, hey, you know, men are hurting, Men are
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  the most likely to die on the job, most likely to commit
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  suicide, most likely to be depressed, most likely, blah
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  blah blah blah. Intrinsically, people know some
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  of it is true. You could just look around
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  society. But then the application of how
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  to navigate it is the complete opposite, because you're really
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  just adding to the problem. Alright, Ruslan, thanks for
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  coming on the. Thank you for having me.
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  Yeah, I'm a fan. I'm a fan of yours too.
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  I just discovered you and I was like, I like this guys.
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  Content. I've been following you for
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  probably a little over a year, year and a half maybe.
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  So when you reached out, I was like, what?
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  Nice, let's do it. Nice.
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  And then I gotta zoom down to your yes studio and you have a
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  fancier studio than mine. I'm gonna try not to ask you
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  questions and this and this conversation because I'm usually
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  the one asking a question. Well, it's a conversation, so
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  we'll say what you want to say. But first, for folks listening
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  who haven't heard of you yet or just know a little bit, tell me.
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  Tell me about yourself. Introduce yourself.
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  Yeah, I'm Ruslan. I'm a follower of Jesus.
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  Husband, father, YouTube rapper, entrepreneur.
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  I'm originally from a country called Azerbaijan Baku, which is
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  in the Middle East. It's just north of Iran.
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  I'm ethnically Armenian. My mother is adopted, but I
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  think she's Russian or, or, or, yeah, we think she's Russian.
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  We don't know exactly what she is.
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  She could be Ukrainian. And we are Armenians who are
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  living in Azerbaijan, which is a Muslim state.
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  And so Armenia is this little small Christian nation in
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  between Turkey and Azerbaijan. And they have a phrase called
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  two nations, 112 states, one nation.
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  And if people have ever heard of the Armenian genocide, there's
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  been tension in that part of the region for a while.
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  And this culminated to the Pilgrims of Baku.
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  I was born and raised in Baku and the Pilgrims of Baku
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  basically causing a mass exodus of Armenians from Azerbaijan.
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  And it's very geopolitical complicated history, but it
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  basically there was persecutions of Armenians in Baku in the late
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  80s. Me and my mom, because we're
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  fair skinned, most Armenians look more Middle Eastern, we're
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  fair skinned. So we stayed and in the 91 we
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  came, we went to Moscow and then from Moscow we came to America
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  as refugees. And I grew up in San Diego, very
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  different San Diego in the early 90s.
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  This is at the peak of gangster rap and the Chronic album and
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  doggy style. And I got immersed in all of
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  that, and I got into a lot of trouble because my dad and my
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  mom split. So I got arrested at age 11 and.
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  For what? So we thought we had a gang.
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  Thought you had? A gang we we were the kids that
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  were breaking into houses in the neighborhood at 1110 eleven
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  years old there was. To do what?
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  Steal stuff, steal people's stuff.
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  And we broke into a house and there was like an ex police
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  officer that lived in the same condominium and he saw us and I
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  was the one in the window. And my friend was in some weird
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  like UFC armbar and he's like get on the ground.
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  And we had complied. And yeah, I got arrested, put on
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  probation. Just a really bizarre
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  upbringing. I was sexually assaulted as a
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  kid by some other altar boys I was in.
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  I was like altar boy when I was like 8.
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  And that kind of set me down a pretty wild path, which led to
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  the arrest and LED to all just kind of debauchery, smoking,
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  drinking, everything. And at the around the same time,
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  though, our manager, this lady named Cherie, was getting into a
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  lot of trouble. She got caught for moving
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  cocaine through like an airport and she was involved in that
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  life. This is your manager of your 11
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  year old gang? Oh no.
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  Of the apartment. OK, yeah.
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  And her son was like my best friend and she went to prison
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  and got saved, like radically saved 180.
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  And right when I got arrested, I had to do community service.
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  I got the lightest because some of the kids were older and I got
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  and I had to do like, I don't know, it's like 30 hours of
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  community service. And so this is the same time
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  she's saved. So she's like, hey, you know,
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  sharing the gospel and the whole unit, complex unit gets saved.
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  So it was predominantly a black area and I was like one of two
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  Armenian families. So everyone gets saved except
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  these two, like Armenian culturally Christian families.
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  And they start sharing the gospel with me and then I have
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  to do my community service and I just do it at their church.
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  So I'm like this white kid doing this community service of this,
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  like black Baptist Church around all these folks getting exposed
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  to, you know, Fred Hammond and like, amazing black gospel music
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  and, and this whole thing and that.
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  Those were like the beginning of seeds planted.
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  And then thankfully my mom saw the chaos, saw me getting in
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  trouble. She's a single mom and she got a
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  job in North County, which is actually not too far, probably
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  about 30 minutes from where we are now in Oceanside.
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  And we moved to Vista, which is just a city over.
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  And that gave me like a fresh start.
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  Like I was like, OK, I've I've, I've had sex, I've drank, I've
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  smoked, I've done, I've done, I've got the rest.
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  I've done it all. I'm going to be a professional
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  athlete. I'm going to go to the NBA.
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  This is. And how old are you at this
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  point? I'm this is 8th grade.
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  I thought my 8th grade yeah, my GPO, my GP was it GPAGPAGPA was
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  like one point O in 7th grade and I go to 8th grade and I'm
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  like, I don't know if they're going to let me in because I'm
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  like they're going to get my transcripts and like I basically
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  flunked 7th grade. It was bad.
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  And the only reason that didn't violate my probation was because
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  my lawyer made-up state funded public defense attorney said I
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  had some stomach virus and like finessed this whole thing.
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  And I ended up not getting violated for the probation.
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  But I didn't think I was going to go in 8th grade.
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  Somehow I got into eighth grade. I went to Roosevelt Middle
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  School and just the change of environment, like going from
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  like a very rough area to like Festa, which is was a bit more
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  suburban. I ended up finishing eighth
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  grade with like a 3.8 GPAI go from one point O to 3.8.
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  And I'm like obsessed with basketball.
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  This is Michael Jordan's last year with the Bulls.
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  So this is this second retirement and I turned my I
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  start like turning my life around.
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  And it was really interesting that a year after that and I
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  started going to church, I met this girl.
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  It's always a girl who gets guys like me in church.
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  And she was, hey, if you want to hang out with my family on
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  Sunday, you got to go to church. And so I started going to church
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  super skeptical because of the church trauma from when I was a
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  kid. Me and her were promiscuous,
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  sexually promiscuous, the whole bit.
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  And I, we basically end up swapping places.
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  Like I went from like this, like super skeptical guy who was
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  like, you know, Jesus is cool, but like all religions lead to
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  the way, you know, And then I and again, in God's Providence,
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  I'm, I'm working at this Pizza Hut, my manager at the Pizza Hut
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  and one of our lead delivery drivers are Christian.
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  They give me this book called The New evidence that Demands A
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  Verdict by Josh McDowell. So, so this is like a two year
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  process. So now I'm in sophomore year, I
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  get away from this girl. I'm dating a Jehovah's Witness
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  girl and I'm reading the new evidence of demand, which is
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  like a textbook. It is a gnarly book and I
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  finally evolved from like God is there is no God to like God is
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  real, but I don't know about Jesus to like, well, I guess
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  Jesus is the son of God, but he's not God to like, whoa,
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  Jesus is who he says he is. And this whole Bible thing is
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  real. And so this is going into my
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  sophomore year. And so me and the girl drifted,
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  but we had an on and off relationship.
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  We had a lot of like scares and close calls in terms of
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  pregnancy and just all kinds of stuff.
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  And we end up breaking up and the end of my junior year, I
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  finally like surrender my life to Jesus.
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  A year after my senior year, I meet my wife.
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  She graduated high school. I was a year out of high school
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  and we got married four years later.
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  And I pursued music professionally for a while.
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  And I did that in 2015 full time.
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  And then it started YouTube like 2020 eighteens taking it
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  seriously and then kind of went full time in 2020 when the
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  pandemic happened. And that is it.
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  Like a very condensed version, Yeah.
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  You've lived like 9 lives. Yeah, yeah.
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  And so all of it like, from I remember when I had a scare with
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  this girl that got me going to church and hopefully she doesn't
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  mind me sharing this. And I remember there being a, a
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  guy in the neighborhood that was older and in his attempt to help
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  me, he drove us to like the abortion clinic to see if she
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  was pregnant. And it was like willing to give
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  me the money to have my 15 year old girlfriend or 16 year old
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  girlfriend have an abortion. Like this is how dark this
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  childhood was, you know, and I didn't think nothing was wrong.
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  I thought this was like empathy. I thought this was love.
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  Like he's looking out for me, you know, And then like, in
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  hindsight, I'm like, what are you doing hanging out with a,
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  with a kid, with a teenager? I mean, I'm a freshman, maybe
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  sophomore, freshman, sophomore in high school.
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  And he's like, ride me around to the to Vista Community Clinic
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  where you can get like free resources for condoms and, you
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  know, tests if you're pregnant or you can get an abortion.
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  And thankfully we weren't pregnant, but we had a couple of
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  these, like, close calls that were horrifying.
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  But what was interesting is when I got saved, no one ever sat me
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  down and was like, hey, you know, like you having sex with
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  your girlfriend's wrong. No one said that.
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  I just knew. And then I also knew if I get
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  her pregnant, like terminating that baby is not right.
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  That's not OK. There was no like political
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  pro-life, none of it. It was just I just, I just
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  instantly knew that I can't keep being sexually immoral.
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  And if I keep being sexually immoral and a child comes, I'm
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  going to have to be ready and willing to deal with the
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  responsibility of it. And by the grace of God, a child
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  did not come because my life probably could have went a very
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  different direction. But the that was really
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  interesting and I think about it in hindsight and I was like,
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  wow, this is God is real, you know?
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  And so now I've been fairly vocal about some of this stuff
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  and it's costed me some friendships.
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  People think I'm like this fringe right guy that's like
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  anti women. And all of a sudden I'm like.
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  Because you're pro-life. Because I'm pro-life, because
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  I'm unapologetically pro-life, because I saw the hoopla on the
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  Internet after Roe V Wake got overturned and said, hey, this
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  is this is good and you guys are losing your mind and this is
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  ridiculous. Like what are we talking about
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  you? A lot of the same people can't
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  define what a woman is, also can't define what a baby is.
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  But they can if you really press on what a baby is, but they just
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  think it's the least of equals to kill unborn babies versus
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  taking women's autonomy. Like it's this weird, bizarre
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  world. And so I've been very outspoken
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  about that. And one of my friends, hopefully
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  he doesn't mind me sharing this, but he sat me down because
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  apparently a video I made on YouTube went viral on ticked on
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  Twitter of under the pro-life hashtag.
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  And I didn't even know. And he sits me down and he's
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  like, hey, so like, I didn't know you were on this whole
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  like, abortion is murder to kick.
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  And I'm like, well, abortion is murder.
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  It's OK, you can say it. And I said, and I've actually
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  never used those words because if you guys will learn, if you
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  haven't already, you can't really say that on YouTube.
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  You're instantly demonetized. The video is going to get ether.
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  So we find these like code words to say like a set of abortion.
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  Was it like the deletion of babies, the termination of
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  babies? And so it was really weird that
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  like virtually within a couple months, like I within certain
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  circles that tend to be more left and liberal, I'm viewed as
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  this like a fringe alt right guy.
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  And I'm like, no, I got what? This is just common sense, you
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  know, but I'm cool. Like I'll wear it as a batch of
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  honor, you know, and, and I, and yeah, so anyway, I'll tell you
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  more about that offline because it's a, it's a, it's a weird
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  exchange. Well, it's interesting because
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  we need more men who are willing to speak on abortion.
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  I think that we need more people in general, men and women, but
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  we need more Youtubers and influencers because like you
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  say, there's censorship and there's also this weird thing
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  where you get accused of being fringe or radical for simply
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  stating the facts that this is the ending of an innocent life.
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  It's murder. I want to get into that more,
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  but I want to go. Your story is so fascinating all
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  the way back to. Sorry for jumping around.
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  No, I love it. It's great.
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  It's so. Good.
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  Going all the way back to where you were born.
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  Name. Name your country again.
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  Azerbaijan. Baku.
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  Azerbaijan, Baku and your mother and father brought you to San
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  Diego. How old were you when you got
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  here? Wow, Do you remember growing up?
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  Yeah, I remember it not snowing often in Baku, but I remember
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  one year it snowed. I remember.
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  I remember Moscow because I remember the first time I was
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  exposed to porn in Moscow. I was like.
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  Five Whoa. How did that happen?
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  I had my very favorite movie, it was called American Ninja.
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  Have you ever heard of this? Oh, this is classic 80s films.
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  I'm 88 so a little OK. Little later, yeah, a little
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  later. So this was a a movie with an
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  actor named Michael Dudicuff and he was playing it's like
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  American Ninja. This is like typical like this.
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  We before we had Power Rangers, any of this kind of stuff, I
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  would just watch these movies and I get they were kind of like
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  PG13 rated R. And my mom, God bless her, would
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  leave me in front of the TV with a dub of it.
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  But when we were in Moscow, the dub of American Ninja wasn't our
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  dub from Baku. And it was, it ended and a porno
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  came on. Yeah.
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  And so I like, I vividly remember that that like
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  finishing that movie, the credits rolling and then this
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  movie comes on and and it just like totally distorting every
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  like, that was like, wow, F5, which is crazy.
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  Then my son's 8. And I'm like, my gosh, you know,
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  such a tender, fragile, delicate age.
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  So I remember that happening. I remember Saint Petersburg a
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  little bit. We stayed in Saint Petersburg.
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  I remember being in some. It's beautiful, huh?
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  Yeah. It's it's cold.
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  I just remember cold. I remember Moscow and Saint
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  Petersburg being cold. I remember Baku being nice.
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  I remember our apartment. I remember those things.
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  So yeah, I remember some of it. And when you got here, did you
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  already know English? I mean, what did you speak
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  growing up in Baku? And then did you when you got
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  here, you were probably already bilingual, So was that an easy
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  transition? What was that transition like
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  for? You.
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  No, I, I spoke Russian. My mother spoke Russian and some
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  English, but it was more like British English.
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  So it's a little different. I know British people don't
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  think they speak English too, but it's different from American
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  English. My dad didn't speak a little
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  English. He spoke a little bit of
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  Armenian and for whatever reason he did, he didn't teach me
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  Armenian again. Azerbaijan was a part of the
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  Soviet Union at the time, so it was communism.
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  I remember food rations. I remember water rations.
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  I remember we'd get a tub of water for like a week or half a
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  week, and we'd have to share that amongst our family.
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  And my dad was going back and forth to work in Moscow because
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  of these programs about who he had to travel and just work in a
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  different, you know, part. And is that because he was
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  scared of violence? I mean, what was?
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  He it was just flaring up. And again, a lot of this stuff
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  goes back to the Armenian genocide.
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  There's this autonomous zone that is in Azerbaijan, but it's
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  like in his own Armenian country, they call Ada Doc.
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  I think is or or. No, that's Mount Ada Doc.
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  And so, yeah, So there was just tension.
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  And so he would. So that was a strain on their
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  marriage. They both had side
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  relationships. And then they came to America
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  and they're like, we're going to start fresh.
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  And then the marriage fell apart six months into it.
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  Yeah. That takes a lot of courage
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  though, to come here. So when you got here, so you you
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  spoke Russian and English, but what was your transition like?
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  Well, I learned English. I learned English from Michael
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  Jackson and like consuming American media.
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  That's how I learned English. That's because there was no
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  overdubs of like American movies in Russian.
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  So cartoons, Michael Jackson, American ninja, then gangster
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  rap music. That's how I ended up learning
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  English. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Well, it was like LL Cool J,
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  Tribe Called Quest. It wasn't so gangster initially.
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  And then that's when the gangster rap.
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  Hit You think that's why you got into rap.
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  Yeah. Oh, absolutely.
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  Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it was, it was this
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  fascinating. I didn't understand the history
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  of it. I didn't say any of it.
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  I was just like, this is cool. Like, and this was more there
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  was graffiti art that wasn't like tagging.
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  It was like actual art. There was break dancing
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  turntablism. And it was, yeah, it was.
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  I was fascinated because I went from Michael Jackson, that was
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  amazing to this. And I'm like, this is the
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  coolest thing ever. And then it got dark, like then
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  it was like, whoa, like the chronic doggy style.
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  It was like, this is this is dark.
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  And then it it kind of, yeah. It just, it just got really
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  dark. And when you got here, you
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  mentioned you're an ultra boy. Yeah.
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  So were you Catholic or meaning Catholic?
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  Yeah, were you? I kind of brushed over that part
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  I. If you want to share.
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  Yeah, no. So Armenians view themselves as
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  like the first Christian nation. We're very proud of that.
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  The Armenian Apostolic Church, we believe, was established by
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  the Apostle Bartholomew who went to Armenia.
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  So our the IT had the first schism was when the Oriental
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  Church split from the Catholic Church in the around the year
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  460. And so we've, we didn't have a
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  written language until we created when it translated the
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  Bible. Like it's a very, I mean, it's a
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  very Christian nationalistic identity there.
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  And so if you're Armenian, you come to America as a refugee,
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  like the, the community hub becomes the Armenian Apostolic
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  Church, which would be more similar.
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  I would say probably it's like a Catholic Church, like Eastern.
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  Or so it was, an altar boy in the Armenian Apostolic.
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  Church, Yes, yes, I was an altar boy.
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  I was one of the younger altar boys and then there were some
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  teenagers that were older altar boys that were like 12 to 15 ish
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  and I was like 7 to 8. I remember getting the baptism
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  and they sprinkled the water on me and I got I had like a
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  godfather that was in the church.
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  And it was, it was a overlap of ethnic identity and faith.
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  And I do remember hearing about Jesus then and I remember they,
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  they would try to do Bible studies, but it was a lot of
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  tradition and a lot of like liturgy, which now I like, I
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  appreciate in hindsight, like I went back what maybe a year ago
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  took my son and I was like, this is this is kind of dope.
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  Like the, the, the smells, the choir was behind us.
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  So they had a, they had a balcony and choir was behind us.
• 18:18
  So when you're worshipping, you don't see anyone, right?
• 18:20
  And it's like evangelical church is like guy with the guitar.
• 18:24
  It's like you just just smell and is he's like real, like
• 18:29
  gothy sounding songs. Bells, Yeah.
• 18:31
  Have you been to a Latin Mass? I'm not, I'm not.
• 18:34
  I'm sure it's dope though. It's dope.
• 18:35
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I've.
• 18:38
  Just kind of grown to appreciate it more.
• 18:40
  And there's an ethnic thing there and you're just like,
• 18:42
  damn, man. My, my buddy went goes back
• 18:44
  every year. His name is Arthur.
• 18:46
  He runs a ministry called the Apology Center.
• 18:47
  And he's got got gone back there and he's like, man, I went to
• 18:50
  the gravesite of a disciple of Bartholomew, you know, so
• 18:55
  Bartholomew has a successor in Armenia and they know where his
• 19:00
  grave is. And you can go and visit it.
• 19:01
  Like, that's a trip, you know? Yeah, yeah.
• 19:03
  I remember going to Jerusalem and going to the tomb and going
• 19:07
  to Jerusalem is nice. It's just like this is our Lord,
• 19:09
  He was here. It's it's.
• 19:11
  It's you. Went to the empty tomb or you
• 19:12
  went to the Church of the. The Church of the Holy
• 19:14
  Sepulchre. Sepulchre Yeah, I went to both.
• 19:16
  I went to both, yeah. And so Armenia, if you, if you
• 19:18
  remember, Armenians have like 1/4 of Jerusalem.
• 19:21
  So there's the Eastern, there's the Christians, there's the
• 19:23
  Muslims, there's the Jews and Armenians have 1/4 of the old
• 19:26
  city and we and, and there's a Armenian thing that I bought
• 19:29
  some candles when I was at that church and it was talked to some
• 19:32
  of the priests and it was, it was cool.
• 19:34
  It's amazing. Yeah, it's really cool.
• 19:35
  So I appreciate it more now. When I first got saved, I was
• 19:37
  like, what? Like all this tradition, you
• 19:39
  just need Jesus and the Bible and that's it.
• 19:42
  And then you kind of grow up and you kind of like, no, like
• 19:44
  there's something to church history, you know, there's
• 19:46
  something to all of it. Yeah, I kind of went a
• 19:49
  different, an opposite direction in a way.
• 19:51
  I was raised evangelical and ended up becoming Catholic in
• 19:54
  college. But before that, I actually went
• 19:56
  to an Orthodox Church for several months throughout high
• 19:59
  school. Yeah.
• 20:00
  And it was really compelling to see the liturgy.
• 20:03
  And then I ended up in Rome eventually.
• 20:05
  But it's beautiful. Yeah, I had a close friend, same
• 20:08
  thing. He was going to one of our mega
• 20:10
  churches in Vista called North Coast.
• 20:12
  And then he's like full on Eastern Orthodox.
• 20:14
  And I'm like he has like a little wall with like all these
• 20:17
  pictures of all these Saints. And I'm like, yeah, I respect
• 20:20
  it. You know, I think it's cool.
• 20:21
  So when you started to after you married your wife and you're
• 20:25
  born again, I mean, you're, you're, you're in this immigrant
• 20:28
  kid and you went through all these things.
• 20:29
  What, what was your inspiration to start YouTube?
• 20:33
  And when did that come into the picture?
• 20:34
  You were doing music and then you're doing YouTube.
• 20:37
  So walk me through that. So 2015, I'm getting ready to
• 20:44
  quit my job. I worked at my church for two
• 20:45
  years as a media guy. So I ended up picking up a lot
• 20:48
  of the camera stuff, I video switchers, all this stuff.
• 20:52
  And I'm also running this like independent boutique label with
• 20:56
  some of my friends. And I'm like, if I'm going to go
• 21:01
  and do this music thing full time.
• 21:02
  Thankfully we were debt free. Like we were very into Ramsey,
• 21:06
  Dave Ramsey stuff. So we got debt free, thankfully
• 21:09
  we had six months of living expenses.
• 21:10
  We had traveled, we went to Rome, we went to Paris, NY.
• 21:15
  We like they got all the traveling out and we, we quit
• 21:19
  the, the job at the church. And so I'm like, if I'm going to
• 21:22
  quit, like I got to do something else because with music, you go
• 21:24
  out and do shows and then you come back.
• 21:26
  And then and so I ended up saying, OK, well, I'm going to
• 21:28
  do this YouTube thing. And I saw this thing called my
• 21:30
  Day as a full time rapper. And the first episode is still
• 21:32
  up. You can go back, people can go
• 21:33
  back and watch it. And it's just me documenting
• 21:35
  like, all right, guys, I quit my job.
• 21:36
  Like it's June 1st. This is what a day and a rapper
• 21:38
  look like. And so I did that for a couple
• 21:40
  episodes in 2015. And I couldn't maintain that
• 21:44
  because I had these other artists I was responsible for.
• 21:47
  They were they were there, their careers were starting to
• 21:48
  blossom. So I kind of took a back seat,
• 21:50
  handled the business and then we fell out over the business and
• 21:55
  which was which was in hindsight, a great blessing in
• 21:57
  disguise. And then I kept being around
• 22:01
  people that were doing really well on YouTube.
• 22:02
  So my a good friend of mine, I don't know if you know what
• 22:04
  think media is. Sean Cannell, good friend of
• 22:06
  mine, he was blowing up. Curtis King was doing a lot of
• 22:10
  stuff. One of the guys I was doing
• 22:12
  music with belief his channel exploded and I was like, man,
• 22:15
  there's something to this YouTube thing, but it was like
• 22:18
  daily vlogs was the thing at the time.
• 22:20
  So it's kind of doing daily vlogs and I pivoted to like
• 22:22
  talking head videos and I remember August 2018 at 5000
• 22:25
  subscribers and I'm like, cool. And I and Sean invited me to go
• 22:29
  to his conferences, I think his first think media conference.
• 22:31
  So I went and it was just great. Like I immersed myself in it and
• 22:35
  they gave me a lot of permission to be like, look, you're
• 22:38
  building a channel around your personality and it's going to be
• 22:40
  a little different. It's going to take a little
• 22:42
  longer. It's not a education, it's not
• 22:44
  utility. It's you're talking about your
• 22:45
  personality, different topics. It's OK to have a novelty
• 22:48
  channel, just know it's going to take longer.
• 22:50
  And then one of the things like, but you got to do thumbnails and
• 22:52
  I didn't want to do thumbnails. So the end of 2018, I have 5000
• 22:55
  subscribers. And then I figured out that I
• 22:58
  can take the video Switcher ahead at my church to have
• 23:00
  multiple cameras set up and I could plug cameras in and I
• 23:04
  could feed the video Switcher to my computer and then I could
• 23:06
  actually stream or at least one take interviews.
• 23:09
  So I'm doing my Christian rap shows all of 2019 and I'm
• 23:13
  literally setting up something like this.
• 23:14
  I have a little video Switcher and I'm just interviewing my
• 23:16
  friends backstage and I would interview just different people.
• 23:19
  Some were Christian, some were not Christian, and that got a
• 23:22
  little bit of momentum. So I'm going into 2020 with like
• 23:25
  15,000 subscribers. It's not really making any
• 23:27
  money, but it's just a fun hobby and I'm just uploading everyday
• 23:29
  clips of different interviews. And then 2020 hit and I'm like,
• 23:32
  well, I can't do any more shows, I can't travel, I can't really
• 23:36
  do anything. And I had this idea of doing
• 23:39
  this live stream reaction format where I'd react, do commentary
• 23:42
  on different videos, time in the scripture and then take a 2 hour
• 23:47
  live stream and inside of the YouTube editor, just clip them
• 23:50
  up into individual clips. So that way I'm bypassing memory
• 23:53
  cards, I'm bypassing having to edit anything.
• 23:55
  Everything is happening live inside of the ecosystem.
• 23:58
  And within that, I, by the end of by November 2020, my Adsense
• 24:03
  like instantly surpassed my music money, whatever residuals
• 24:07
  I was making off of music. So I was like, well, like, this
• 24:10
  is it. And the, the moment I could hire
• 24:12
  someone, I hired my buddy Zach, who's our CEO now.
• 24:15
  Zach's been with me since he was 17 shooting all my music videos.
• 24:18
  And so we got him on and we just hired another editor.
• 24:20
  And so it was really that lockdown when everyone was at
• 24:23
  home. And I'm just kind of looking at
• 24:24
  like, what's, what do I find interesting?
• 24:26
  What are people talking about? And how can I tie it, tie it in?
• 24:29
  And it was more or less kind of the Joe Rogan model, but without
• 24:32
  the podcast, without, without a guest there because we didn't
• 24:35
  have any guests there. And so since that blew up, we
• 24:38
  went from, I don't know, we grew with like 40,000 subscribers.
• 24:41
  By the end of 2020-2021, it was 100,000 main channels over
• 24:45
  330,000. Now we have a second channel
• 24:47
  that's at 150,000 and we started 1/3 channel that's really small.
• 24:51
  And it's more about like, as we called it, mastermind my
• 24:54
  business. And it's all about doing
• 24:55
  business the master's way. So that's kind of that.
• 24:58
  And so, yeah, it was a combination of frequency with
• 25:02
  topics that people care about and then bringing in different
• 25:04
  guests and different personalities.
• 25:06
  And so it's been really good. That's awesome.
• 25:08
  Yeah. What's your what's your approach
• 25:10
  to picking the topics? You say the topics you find
• 25:12
  interesting and then like when you do your commentary.
• 25:16
  Walk me through how you do that. Yeah.
• 25:17
  So every day we'll usually kind of examine what's trending,
• 25:22
  what's happening, what's interesting.
• 25:24
  Are you doing it daily? Daily.
• 25:25
  Daily live stream. Five days a week, we're about to
• 25:28
  move to four days a week and we're just trying to have seven
• 25:30
  days of content and four days a week, see if we can compress
• 25:32
  time a bit. And so, yeah, every day we will
• 25:34
  look at what's trending, what's happening.
• 25:36
  So we just did, like today's stream, for example, was a video
• 25:39
  about Satan Con in Boston, and we reacted to the news coverage
• 25:44
  of it. We reacted to different
• 25:45
  commentary. So are you pulling all those
• 25:47
  clips or you could have some? Yes, we have like a React
• 25:49
  computer. Zach is pulling them.
• 25:50
  When Zach is not there, I'm pulling them up.
• 25:52
  We're pulling them. We're reacting to him.
• 25:53
  We'll pull up article and we'll just react to different stuff
• 25:57
  that's happening and then that'll go.
• 26:00
  Then the topic will change. And then like the second topic
• 26:02
  was about, I don't know if you're familiar with like, I
• 26:04
  don't mean open this kind of worms, but the men's, the men's
• 26:07
  rights movement and the red pill community.
• 26:09
  It's really weird. So we reacted to Rallo Tomasi
• 26:12
  saying the seven steps to become a high value man.
• 26:15
  And it's like #1 is like, don't get married.
• 26:18
  Number 2 is like get. I saw that get a vasectomy in
• 26:20
  your. 20s that yeah, so. We just kind of roasted him
• 26:22
  like. This is ridiculous.
• 26:24
  Well, I was giving a speech last night at Cal State Fullerton and
• 26:27
  this guy got up and he's like all my friends or a bunch of my
• 26:31
  friends are living out of their cars and they, they don't have
• 26:33
  their homes anymore. They don't have their kids
• 26:35
  anymore because of these women they married.
• 26:38
  And you know, what would you tell men they should?
• 26:40
  It was like the Red pill script he was basically reading, but he
• 26:43
  was sincere. And I just thought I just said
• 26:46
  to him, don't get married if you think all women are like that.
• 26:49
  That's your mindset about women. You know, your your standard by
• 26:52
  which you're judging women is a harsh 1.
• 26:54
  It's a cruel 1. And it's not a true one either
• 26:56
  because obviously there are bad women, there's bad men, but
• 26:58
  there's plenty of good ones and plenty of good women too.
• 27:01
  But yeah, so. Me and Rallo had a whole debate
• 27:03
  about all of this. What?
• 27:04
  What was he on the red pill side?
• 27:06
  Oh, he's the godfather of the he wrote their Bible.
• 27:09
  It's called the Rational Male. I had to unread.
• 27:11
  I had to read it. Wait a minute, you sat down with
• 27:13
  Rallo. Where does he live?
• 27:15
  He lives in Reno, NV and so we. Debate him.
• 27:18
  I had to debate, so he wouldn't sit down with me unless I read
• 27:21
  his books. So I read two of his five books
• 27:24
  and they were really bad. There's no citations, nothing.
• 27:27
  And it's all about how women are just really bad.
• 27:30
  Which is fine if you say this is my opinion.
• 27:36
  He calls it a praxeology. It's like a social science.
• 27:39
  And I'm like, this is not. You can't do social science
• 27:40
  without citations or studies. It's just not how it works,
• 27:44
  Right? Like you can't be like, yeah,
• 27:46
  so. So he's so can you tell me
• 27:49
  because I have, I'm definitely aware of red pills and I think
• 27:53
  I'm getting more aware of it as time goes by, but I don't know
• 27:56
  that I understand the origin. So.
• 27:58
  The origin is like message boards.
• 28:00
  And they would. Like Reddit or 4 Chan?
• 28:02
  It's like 4 Chan. I don't.
• 28:02
  Know if it's 4 Chan but it was like message boards online and
• 28:05
  it was these guys. Telling their stories.
• 28:07
  Telling their stories and then they they kind of try to become
• 28:10
  more scientific and like examine women's nature and how women are
• 28:14
  hypergamous and they'll always want something better.
• 28:17
  And Rollo was early in this and he wrote their what they call
• 28:21
  their, their Bible, like the rational mail.
• 28:22
  And anybody who wants to look it up, you can you can just search
• 28:25
  rational mail summary book. And he's clearly not married
• 28:29
  Rollo. Well, this is, this is the best
• 28:30
  part. I'm this is so fun that we got
• 28:32
  into this. Hopefully that we don't go over
• 28:34
  on this. But Rollo has been married for
• 28:37
  25 years and has a kid. So everyone's like, dude, you
• 28:42
  don't practice week. He's.
• 28:44
  Telling. Wait, but he's telling men to
• 28:45
  tell. Men to get married.
• 28:46
  But he's happily married. Is he happily married?
• 28:48
  He claims he is. Wow, he claims he is.
• 28:50
  How what's what's the marriage like?
• 28:52
  Or do you what's the wife like? I don't.
• 28:53
  Know but he has a daughter that's I think engaged and so.
• 28:56
  So is the daughter not allowed to get married because no men
• 28:58
  should marry a woman cause all women are bad or what's no
• 29:00
  she's? Engaged to a dude and I, I don't
• 29:04
  know, I, I haven't talked to him about that kind of stuff, but he
• 29:06
  professes to be a Christian, which is wild that I would have
• 29:08
  known that until I got to the end of his religion book where
• 29:11
  he makes like a overt profession of I believe even the bodily
• 29:14
  resurrection of Jesus, the literal bodily resurrection of
• 29:18
  Jesus and, and of some. So people go back and watch our
• 29:21
  conversation. And so Long story short, we have
• 29:24
  this back and forth 2 hour debate.
• 29:26
  It was good. We didn't really get into the
• 29:27
  hypergamy side. It was just my argument was, hey
• 29:30
  man, like if you're going to say this a praxology and you're
• 29:32
  going to write a book about religion, at least tell people
• 29:34
  the truth about Christian marriage and how it's different.
• 29:37
  The Christians are some of the least likely to get divorced,
• 29:40
  that Christians who aren't promiscuous are the most
• 29:42
  sexually satisfied that most people who aren't sexually
• 29:45
  promiscuous, most virgins are in church.
• 29:48
  Have you come? Across Brad Wilcox yet I have
• 29:50
  not so he'd love him and his whole research body of research
• 29:54
  is about the satisfaction that married people have who are also
• 29:59
  practicing a faith weekly right church and then also who avoid
• 30:03
  having sex before marriage and he has this thing where he talks
• 30:05
  about authoritative men versus authoritarian men or parents and
• 30:11
  so he's. Very.
• 30:12
  It's so you would love it. It's actually, I think the
• 30:14
  antidote to red pill ISM to some degree because I'm going to try
• 30:17
  to get him out here to interview and actually maybe we can pop
• 30:19
  down and chat with you too. But he's he really makes a
• 30:23
  beautiful case about we need authoritative parents and
• 30:27
  fathers. You know, the man does have a
• 30:29
  role of authority. That's an important one.
• 30:32
  But when he's an authoritarian and he uses fear and force
• 30:36
  instead of leading with example and love and service, yeah, you
• 30:41
  can create disharmony in the home and all these things, so.
• 30:43
  So the interesting thing about the red pill is that there's a
• 30:47
  lot of overlap. So they'll, they, they, they
• 30:49
  assess the right problems but prescribe the worst solutions.
• 30:53
  But they claim they don't even give prescriptions, but they
• 30:55
  clearly do. So they'll assess, hey, you
• 30:57
  know, women's rights in 3rd wave feminism and birth control.
• 31:02
  We're not net positives to women.
• 31:04
  And it says that, hey, men are hurting.
• 31:06
  Men are the most likely to die on the job, most likely to
• 31:09
  commit suicide, most likely to be depressed, most likely, blah,
• 31:12
  blah, blah, blah. If they if you get divorced,
• 31:14
  it's really hard on a man. But so they assess a lot of the
• 31:17
  right problems. It's just that they're very
• 31:19
  incomplete solutions. And so it's this interesting
• 31:23
  thing because intrinsically people know some of it is true.
• 31:27
  You could just look around society and be like, this is
• 31:30
  kind of wild, right? But then the application of how
• 31:33
  to navigate it is the complete opposite because you're really
• 31:36
  just adding to the problem, right?
• 31:37
  So a high value woman to them is a woman that's younger, who's a
• 31:40
  virgin and yadda, yadda, yadda. Yet the prescription is to go
• 31:43
  splint spin plates and to date women on Wednesdays.
• 31:47
  But the girls that are sexually active with you prioritize them
• 31:50
  for Fridays and Saturdays. This is in his book.
• 31:52
  So basically the man doesn't need to be a virgin or committed
• 31:55
  to chastity, just the woman. Just the woman and and my thing
• 31:59
  is. And he's OK with that for his
• 32:00
  daughter. And again, I didn't, I didn't
• 32:02
  poke at the daughter thing, but I'm like, but you're making the
• 32:06
  problem worse, of course, because now we know that the
• 32:09
  more partner someone has them less likely they are to be
• 32:12
  satisfied in a marriage. That's that's empirically
• 32:14
  proven. So now all these women that say
• 32:17
  they're at, you know, X amount of partners, the CDC says the
• 32:19
  average woman has four partners self reported.
• 32:21
  We don't know if how I could average man has 6.
• 32:23
  So now you're, you're making this worse because you're
• 32:25
  creating more and more women that are going to have more and
• 32:27
  more partners that are probably eventually going to want to
• 32:30
  settle down and are going to have struggles in their marriage
• 32:34
  because of this, or you're going to have a bunch of abortions.
• 32:37
  And that's another aspect of it. And, you know, so it's, it's
• 32:41
  just a mess. Like all of it is a mess.
• 32:42
  And I like engaging with it 'cause some of the guys are
• 32:44
  reasonable. I had another debate in Dallas
• 32:46
  and it was it was more reasonable as one of Rollo's
• 32:48
  friends, but some of it is just really over the side and I also
• 32:52
  don't help. They're searching, right?
• 32:53
  I mean, they're kind of like you said, there's a problem that we
• 32:55
  all know is a problem, which is like male, female.
• 32:59
  Our relationships today are torn up.
• 33:01
  People are miserable. Gen.
• 33:03
  Z doesn't even want to get married.
• 33:04
  Gen. Z doesn't want to have kids
• 33:06
  because of climate change. I mean, everybody's on on
• 33:08
  antidepressants or on some sort of drug for their mental health
• 33:11
  issues and everyone's unhappy. So they're like, OK, well, we're
• 33:14
  going to blame feminism and abortion And, and well, I don't
• 33:17
  even think they say abortion. They say they just say abortion.
• 33:20
  That's good. I mean, I'm like.
• 33:20
  Rock out with you guys. So do your points.
• 33:23
  The right, it's the right. To the point where they want to
• 33:25
  charge women who have abortions. They want to criminally.
• 33:28
  And I'm just like, I don't know, I, I got to think about that,
• 33:31
  you know, like, I don't know how that would work.
• 33:32
  Well, I think it's that depends right on the case because you
• 33:35
  can charge a man who does abortions, so the abortionist or
• 33:38
  if the guy's coercing her. So, but you know, it's
• 33:41
  interesting because I don't know that many of them have heard of
• 33:46
  something called theology of the body.
• 33:47
  I don't know if you've heard of John Paul the Second, Pope John
• 33:49
  Paul the Second. Theology of the body.
• 33:51
  Well, he has this like really beautiful explanation of
• 33:55
  basically Christians, Christianity's view on sex,
• 33:58
  which is that it is obviously marriage is a sacrament, right?
• 34:01
  And men and women are equal in dignity, that Adam and Eve were
• 34:04
  equal, equal dignity. But and that, you know, Eve
• 34:08
  coming from the side of Adam is a partner to him.
• 34:10
  And the idea of a helpmate is not someone who's lower than
• 34:14
  right, but a support to him and their support to one another.
• 34:18
  But he talks really beautifully about this idea of personalism,
• 34:21
  which is that if we see like that, that ideal woman as this,
• 34:25
  like in the red pill movement, it's like the virgin who is has
• 34:29
  this pure background, who's very young and is just going to stay
• 34:32
  at home all day with the apron on, I guess cooking or whatever,
• 34:34
  right? That like 1950s self housewife
• 34:37
  stereotype. It's making an object out of her
• 34:40
  as opposed to what you're supposed to do in marriage,
• 34:42
  which is love, a person, a subject.
• 34:44
  And it's not just for what they can do for me, it's what can I
• 34:46
  do for them. Good.
• 34:48
  Yeah, you service you're serving.
• 34:49
  Exactly. And so anyways, but I just feel
• 34:51
  like what is what, what what's their response to that?
• 34:53
  I mean, I mean, I'm sure you've said something that.
• 34:55
  Is the conversation I'm I've tried to lean in on.
• 34:58
  And so Rollo is also kind of behind the scenes, don't say
• 35:02
  responsible for, but but friendly with Andrew Tate.
• 35:04
  So the explosion of Andrew Tate is connected to this entire
• 35:07
  movement. So Long story short, what
• 35:09
  happened with me and Rolla was we had this debate, 2 hour and a
• 35:11
  half hour conversation. I read his books, I honored him,
• 35:13
  I respected him. It was good.
• 35:16
  I think it was a little too good for me.
• 35:18
  His fan base. Fanboys are always going to say,
• 35:20
  you know, Ruslan's a simp, he doesn't get it.
• 35:23
  But what happened? So then, so then he comes back
• 35:26
  and I had my iPad, I had notes, I was pulling up studies, you
• 35:29
  know, I was showing data and he does a stream where he basically
• 35:32
  says Ruslan was getting information fed to him on his 2
• 35:37
  Apple Watches. This isn't an Apple Watch during
• 35:40
  the debate and basically created this whole conspiracy that I
• 35:42
  cheated that was getting information fed to me.
• 35:45
  By feminists. No no no by by Zach who was in
• 35:49
  there screen grabbing parts of the conversation because we were
• 35:51
  making our own highlight version.
• 35:53
  So. So was that like a rule going
• 35:55
  into the debate that you weren't allowed to, like, pull things up
• 35:56
  on your laptop? No, it was no rule.
• 35:58
  He just needed to find a way to explain why you you basically
• 36:01
  beat him. And and and and made a big thing
• 36:03
  of it and like basically said, I cheated, you know, and I'm like.
• 36:07
  This. Is very flattering flattering
• 36:09
  for you and he follows in his 50s like this is flattering for
• 36:12
  me for you to say that I cheated and by the way again I have an
• 36:16
  Apple Watch and a loop so he's this whole conspiracy contracted
• 36:19
  and so we ended up roasting him and so we haven't he's blocked
• 36:23
  me on everything He doesn't want to do a Part 2.
• 36:24
  He agreed to a Part 2 in that conversation.
• 36:26
  I've offered to fly him out and he just, he doesn't want to have
• 36:29
  the conversation, but I, I really want to have because I
• 36:31
  think there's some faulty science there as well about
• 36:34
  women's, women's nature. They've basically created their
• 36:37
  own version of original. Sin Well, that's the thing.
• 36:39
  It's like they make women out to be a different species from men.
• 36:42
  Yes. And it's like, actually we have
• 36:43
  more in common as men and women than we have uncommon, like
• 36:47
  separate from each other. So I think that's that's this
• 36:49
  thing is like women are the separate species.
• 36:51
  And that's not that's not some modern issue in the red pill
• 36:54
  movement. That's been throughout history.
• 36:55
  Yeah, women have been seen that way.
• 36:57
  Yeah. So and it's led to a lot of bad,
• 36:59
  bad endings. It's a fascinating conversation
• 37:01
  and I would hope that they would be more open to sitting down and
• 37:04
  not it's not a monolith. There's a lot of infighting in
• 37:06
  that community. There's some guys that are
• 37:08
  trying to figure it out, you know, but it's a it's very
• 37:11
  fascinating. So there's there's a condensed
• 37:13
  what's your? Take on Andrew Tate.
• 37:16
  I think Andrew Tate is someone who has had a really hard
• 37:24
  upbringing and based on his view of what the options were landed
• 37:33
  in doing this Cam girl business model and it made him a lot of
• 37:38
  money. And I think Andrew Tate was
• 37:41
  ignorant of the legalities of all of it.
• 37:44
  And I think in his mind he was doing his partnership with these
• 37:47
  women and da da, da da and they all love me and I'm a good guy
• 37:49
  and this whole stuff. And I think in the process that
• 37:51
  he was ignorant on what the laws were because something changed
• 37:55
  in the laws because pimping and pandering changed to sex
• 37:58
  trafficking. Even like I have friends that I
• 38:03
  grew up with that they, they drive from here to Vegas, their
• 38:07
  girls are selling themselves. This is again a dark life.
• 38:11
  And that's trafficking. And they don't, they're not
• 38:15
  thinking about that, right. And so now when you add digital,
• 38:18
  it's digital trafficking. And especially if they don't
• 38:20
  have access to certain things. So I think Andrew Tate wasn't, I
• 38:24
  didn't think he knew, but I think the he he was just
• 38:27
  ignorant of laws and it and based on if, if what he says in
• 38:31
  these courses is true, which is take their logins away, don't
• 38:35
  let them have access to their only fans, right?
• 38:37
  All those things. If this is true, that is, that
• 38:39
  is digital trafficking. That is legally what was.
• 38:42
  Happening separate from the whole legal question, I mean,
• 38:45
  being part of an enterprise to sell sex, to sell women's
• 38:49
  bodies, it's pretty lowest of the low, right?
• 38:53
  It's like it's up there with the abortion industry.
• 38:55
  I mean, and that's what I'm I'm confused about Andrew Tate
• 38:58
  because I see increasingly different people choosing to
• 39:03
  praise some of the things he says because occasionally he
• 39:05
  says something that sounds kind of like common sense, but his
• 39:08
  ideology is so warped. And then it's like, why are you
• 39:12
  like enough people in the world? I mean, you're saying common
• 39:14
  sense and you're the rest of your ideology isn't warped.
• 39:17
  So why why I don't, I guess I don't understand this phenomenon
• 39:20
  on YouTube where I feel like people like Jedidiah Abela, I
• 39:23
  don't know if you've no value attainment.
• 39:25
  And I really like her. I think she's she's really cool,
• 39:28
  but I see her like praising Andrew Tate.
• 39:30
  There were some of the things he says as an example, and I'm
• 39:32
  like, why are you doing that, Jed?
• 39:33
  You know, like I've. Never asked her that.
• 39:35
  Pick someone else to praise, right?
• 39:36
  Well. One he's hot he's he's he's
• 39:38
  scorching hot on the Internet, so that's that you guys going to
• 39:41
  get clicks sure you know that is what it is.
• 39:43
  I think I. Bet Hitler would have been hot
• 39:45
  if he'd been around. Now.
• 39:46
  That's just like, because he was just like very like intense and
• 39:49
  he had a rabid following two. I don't know the red pill and I
• 39:54
  would. I don't know Andrew Tae would
• 39:55
  say he's not a red pill, but that again, that's Rolo.
• 39:58
  That's all. These guys are all in the same
• 39:59
  pack. They all, they all know each
• 40:00
  other as well. It's it is an overcorrection to
• 40:03
  which feminism was an overcorrection of right.
• 40:06
  So I think that's exactly right. The tenets of feminism is like,
• 40:09
  hey, like we want to be paid the same for the same work like we'd
• 40:12
  like to. My buddy told me that his I
• 40:15
  think his grandma had to have her husband go buy a car with
• 40:19
  her 'cause she wasn't allowed legally to buy.
• 40:21
  Yeah, I mean, you look. At no, it's.
• 40:23
  True. I was just it's the vindication
• 40:24
  of the rights of women. I don't know if you've read that
• 40:26
  treat as one of the early feminists and she's basically
• 40:28
  explaining she wants basic, basic equality under the law,
• 40:32
  which I think. I think it's fair, reasonable,
• 40:35
  we. Would agree with.
• 40:36
  Yeah. So it's this overcorrection?
• 40:38
  But you know, I my argument would be, by the way, like the
• 40:40
  early feminists are actually pro-life.
• 40:42
  They were really pro family. And then the like, sexual
• 40:45
  revolution was happening with like Sanger early on, even in
• 40:48
  the 1920s as early and then, you know, came full bore in with,
• 40:53
  you know, Playboy and Hugh Hefner and everything else.
• 40:55
  But you saw Betty Friedan. But you saw all of this like
• 40:59
  women's rights now was hijacked that language now let's have
• 41:02
  equal treatment under the law and dignity was hijacked by the
• 41:05
  sexual revolution. People were like, oh, we're
• 41:07
  going to say now you need birth control and abortion and, you
• 41:10
  know, men are evil and marriage is stupid and like, you know,
• 41:13
  flee the home and go join the workforce.
• 41:15
  Be like a man, like all that nonsense.
• 41:17
  And that became feminism when that was not its original
• 41:20
  design. Now there's different branches
• 41:22
  obviously like Marxist feminism, different kinds, but the the OG
• 41:25
  stuff about like equal rights is good.
• 41:29
  Yeah. And and so that is an
• 41:32
  overcorrection. So what you see Andrew Tate
• 41:33
  doing is an overcorrection to it.
• 41:35
  And there's enough. Again, there's enough.
• 41:36
  But he's overcorrecting to the point of creating something just
• 41:40
  as bad in its stead, if not worse.
• 41:42
  It's like chopping a head off the Hydra, thinking you're like
• 41:45
  beating the hydra and just another evil head grows back.
• 41:48
  I mean, that's. That's a great illustration.
• 41:50
  And why is that evil head growing back?
• 41:53
  It's because men are hurting. There are men that are hurting.
• 41:55
  There are men who whether it's the Internet, whether it's, I
• 41:59
  don't know what it is, right, But there are men who they don't
• 42:05
  know how to talk to women. They a lot of them anxiety,
• 42:08
  depression, all these different things.
• 42:10
  So there, there are men that resonate with that message.
• 42:13
  And so when you hear on the baseline of like, yeah, like the
• 42:16
  system is rigged and they're out to get you.
• 42:18
  So you need to get your, you know, your money, your gains.
• 42:21
  Go, go, go will lift like that. Some of that stuff is good.
• 42:24
  Go lift, go work out, go go get shake, take, take ownership of
• 42:26
  your life, take responsibility. And then it's like a lot of
• 42:29
  other stuff is backdoored in there.
• 42:31
  And I think he's also, he also does a good job of pointing out
• 42:34
  some of the differences between men and women that we are
• 42:36
  different and that's good. That's not bad.
• 42:39
  And so I think him pointing out those sorts of things are are
• 42:42
  like, again, it's just enough truth for to sneak to back door
• 42:46
  some of the really bad stuff. And I think I think This is why
• 42:50
  conversations like this is necessary.
• 42:51
  I think This is why more authoritative Christian men are
• 42:54
  necessary. And so that's that the whole red
• 42:56
  pill thing is, is just that it's like a overcorrection enough
• 42:58
  truth where you can you can feel some of it on an extinctual
• 43:01
  level is true, but then perverted and distorted.
• 43:05
  And you know the, the, I think the optimal happiness anyone's
• 43:09
  going to change in life is living your life God's way,
• 43:11
  which is in in a monogamous covenantal marriage.
• 43:15
  You know the. Self sacrifice.
• 43:17
  Self sacrifice. Yeah.
• 43:19
  And so it's like this is so clear in Scripture if we go to
• 43:22
  Ephesians 5 and it tells men, lay down your life the way
• 43:26
  Christ laid down his life for the church, right?
• 43:30
  And it tells women to submit to their husbands.
• 43:33
  I think that it's actually harder to lay down your life.
• 43:36
  I think it's harder to lay down your dreams.
• 43:38
  I think it's harder to say I'm just, I'm just about me and my
• 43:40
  empire. No, no, I got to consider what's
• 43:42
  most conducive for my family and what's best for my wife and
• 43:45
  what's. And so we see this beautiful
• 43:47
  depiction of an Ephesians 5 of how a marriage should look and
• 43:50
  all these different things. And it's, it gets twisted and
• 43:54
  perverted because all they hear is women submit.
• 43:56
  And it's like, yeah, women submit to a man who's laying
• 43:58
  down his life for you and is willing to sacrifice and is
• 44:01
  willing to serve you. And so it's, it's, again, it's
• 44:03
  pulling things out of context. And you know, some of it is
• 44:06
  true, but how does it practically?
• 44:08
  And it's a mutual submission in that he's laying down our life
• 44:11
  for for her. But I think the core of that too
• 44:14
  is women are the ones who bring life into the world.
• 44:17
  We can do that, thanks be to God.
• 44:20
  And So what does it take to gestate a baby and then to birth
• 44:24
  a baby and then to nurse a baby? And, you know, being a mother,
• 44:29
  especially of young children is tremendously.
• 44:31
  It takes all of you physically. It takes you.
• 44:34
  And so I think the model of the man who's then laying down his
• 44:37
  life for baby and for mother, because she's doing that for
• 44:41
  baby, right? It's the beautiful model.
• 44:43
  It's the family, it's the nuclear.
• 44:44
  I mean this, I think it's the the natural church.
• 44:46
  It's the it's this nucleus of any civilization.
• 44:49
  It's this building block and it's beautiful.
• 44:51
  But if it's the the man is selfish or self oriented about
• 44:54
  whatever external thing he's interested in and he's
• 44:57
  neglecting, he's just saying, well, you deal with the home
• 44:59
  wife. It's your, it's your domain.
• 45:01
  I'm going to just peace out and give you money to pay for
• 45:03
  things. It's like, no, you, your
• 45:05
  presence is needed emotionally, physically, spiritually in every
• 45:08
  way. And when it's there, it's a
• 45:11
  beautiful dynamic that it creates.
• 45:12
  The beautiful part about everything you just described is
• 45:15
  it's it's in people's best interest to get a hold of that
• 45:18
  one of the ideas. For the man too.
• 45:20
  For the man too, one of the ideas we're fleshing out is
• 45:24
  walk. Even if you don't believe in
• 45:25
  God, attempt to walk out what a godly marriage is and see how
• 45:30
  much better your life will be. Even if you're like, I don't
• 45:32
  know about so Jesus, OK cool. Just read some books about
• 45:35
  Christian marriage, about godly marriage and implement these
• 45:39
  things and see how much better things get just by doing it.
• 45:42
  Because that is the way it got married.
• 45:43
  That's the way God designed it. On top of which most people are
• 45:47
  going to have kids at some point in their lifetime.
• 45:49
  The the different stats I've read, but the the majority, if
• 45:53
  you know most people going have kids, you might as well have
• 45:57
  them in this sort of arrangement for the sake of your kids.
• 46:00
  And if you're like, I don't know if I want kids, OK, how about
• 46:02
  for the sake of our species continuing on, right?
• 46:04
  Because there's not going to be a species if we don't keep but.
• 46:08
  The fundamentals you have to care and I think that's that's
• 46:12
  kind of AI mean with the climate change stuff and crisis stuff
• 46:15
  that people are thinking, oh, the world's going to end.
• 46:18
  It's I feel like there's this like hopelessness that runs
• 46:20
  through it all where they just don't care enough about their
• 46:23
  own life, other people's lives, because they think we're all
• 46:26
  doomed or what's the point? And so it's like they don't want
• 46:30
  to put in. People are need to be encouraged
• 46:32
  or inspired to put in that extra worker effort that their life is
• 46:36
  worth it to like figure this out.
• 46:38
  Like you're saying, figure out what is a good marriage?
• 46:40
  Like, can you have one? How do you have one?
• 46:43
  What do you say? I mean, what, what is your
• 46:44
  message? Like that man you were talking
• 46:46
  about earlier? They're they're hurting, I think
• 46:49
  you said, which is true, they're hurting.
• 46:50
  And that's like the guy from my speech the other night, like I
• 46:53
  think he was hurting. And I hope I don't know how, how
• 46:56
  I was trying to be kind, but at the same time I was like wanting
• 46:59
  to be firm with him because I feel like he's getting all this
• 47:01
  tough love from like the Andrew Tate's of the world.
• 47:03
  And like, can I give you some gentle but tough love from a
• 47:06
  different perspective? But what do you what do you
• 47:07
  think is the right thing to say? Well, I would say foundationally
• 47:10
  the the Christian is at an advantage because I think
• 47:14
  something supernatural happens when when the Spirit of God
• 47:17
  comes and lives at. Us.
• 47:18
  Amen. Philippians says workout your
• 47:20
  own salvation with fear and trembling for it is God that
• 47:22
  does the work in you to follow him keep his decrees right.
• 47:26
  So it's this beautiful picture of like we're responsible, but
• 47:29
  we, we have the Spirit of God. That's, that's working out these
• 47:33
  things. Ezekiel talks about, I'll take
• 47:35
  away your heart of stone, give you a heart of flesh, right.
• 47:38
  Jeremiah talks about I'll give you, I'll give you the desires
• 47:41
  to keep my precepts and my laws. So I think 1 foundationally,
• 47:44
  like place your faith in Jesus. Go examine the resurrection.
• 47:47
  It happened. It really it that that is a
• 47:49
  historical event. And I think the faith in Jesus,
• 47:52
  I think there, there becomes a heart change, something changes
• 47:55
  and I can't, it's hard. But like no one told me porn was
• 47:58
  wrong when I got saved. I just knew.
• 47:59
  No one told me sexual immorality was wrong.
• 48:01
  I just knew no one told me abortion was wrong.
• 48:04
  I just knew no one told me these things.
• 48:06
  I just, it's written in the heart.
• 48:07
  Yeah, it's written in the hearts.
• 48:08
  The, the, the laws in our hearts.
• 48:11
  So I say foundationally place your faith in Jesus because I
• 48:13
  think there lies the, the, the, the will desire change.
• 48:19
  And then I would say get around people that are different than
• 48:22
  you, that are maybe a season of life than you.
• 48:25
  And I say for most men, I think they need to develop and become
• 48:30
  the priest, the provider and protective of their home, right?
• 48:33
  So a priest, provider, protector, if we're looking at
• 48:36
  David, David was a warrior and a worshipper, right?
• 48:40
  So it's not this, I just need to be this, it's all the above.
• 48:43
  Become yes, be competent, be strong, lift, go workout, go
• 48:47
  fire guns. If you want to learn how to do
• 48:49
  that, like all of that is great. Develop useful skills, be able
• 48:54
  to to earn, be able to provide for your family.
• 48:57
  I this is statistics. And then some people get really
• 49:00
  triggered when I talk about this, but Gallup did a study and
• 49:02
  they surveyed working moms with kids under 18 and they found out
• 49:06
  that working moms with kids under 18, that 56% of them would
• 49:11
  have preferred to stay home and raise their kids had they been
• 49:14
  given an option to 56%. At least, by the way.
• 49:19
  So we scaled that number down to kids attended under 5 and under,
• 49:22
  right? And that's a lot of women that
• 49:24
  are like who are going to have that are like, I'd rather just
• 49:27
  be a mom for a couple years. I want to just kind of hang on
• 49:30
  my babies. So if you know, if we know that
• 49:33
  these not conservative women, these are pro-life women, these
• 49:35
  are Christian women, right? These are just women.
• 49:38
  Be the type of man that has a useful skill set that can
• 49:41
  provide for your wife so that she can stay home with the kids
• 49:44
  if she chooses to do so. And guess what?
• 49:46
  Most women will probably choose to do so if they have the
• 49:48
  opportunity. I'll stick in a caveat there
• 49:50
  'cause this is my experience and a lot of my friends experience
• 49:52
  is that, you know, not having to work, but getting to do some
• 49:57
  work as a way to contribute, use your skills, your talents, but
• 50:02
  not having the burden of the, you know, the 8:00 to 5:00 or
• 50:06
  the 8:00 to 6:00 and making sure that you're the breadwinner.
• 50:09
  And I think that's a tremendous difference where you can have
• 50:13
  that flourishing home life where you still doing, maybe doing
• 50:16
  that side hustle or that job, but it's not like you are
• 50:19
  worried about we're not going to make ends meet tomorrow.
• 50:22
  Like that is a privilege for a woman and a family to be in.
• 50:26
  Unfortunately, it's a privilege today because of the way the
• 50:28
  economy is and most families needing to double incomes.
• 50:31
  But I think that's a beautiful thing is like, find a way to be
• 50:34
  be the primary breadwinner so that she's she's not when she's
• 50:38
  pulling back on her hours or taking time off or, you know,
• 50:41
  turning it down or or quitting that full time position.
• 50:44
  She's not worried about are we going to have food on the table
• 50:47
  or a place to live. And my wife was the one who
• 50:53
  because of some of these things you just described, she was able
• 50:57
  as a, as a stay at home mom to have when I, when I, when my son
• 51:00
  was 6, to have the vision and tell me, hey, I think you should
• 51:04
  quit your job and pursue this entrepreneurial thing because of
• 51:07
  the stability that you talked about.
• 51:08
  We had six months of living expenses.
• 51:09
  I knew worst case scenario, I can go drive for Uber or Lyft
• 51:12
  and we're just going to go for this thing.
• 51:14
  And this financially is the best thing we've ever done.
• 51:16
  So I think what you just described is what a lot of
• 51:20
  people are wrestling with and they don't know how to figure
• 51:22
  that out. And I think to this day, I mean,
• 51:24
  my wife, she does this amazing kids choir production thing
• 51:28
  every Wednesday night where these kids do these like plays
• 51:30
  in church. She gets to volunteer and do
• 51:32
  that. She works a couple hours a week
• 51:34
  remotely as a designer, graphic designer.
• 51:36
  That was her full time job before.
• 51:38
  So she still has a ton of autonomy and she can still do
• 51:40
  stuff. And and then she also keeps
• 51:41
  track of all of our payroll and all of our books and all of
• 51:45
  works with our. Accounting manager she.
• 51:47
  Yeah. I mean, she really keeps things,
• 51:49
  operations, operations going in terms of the accounting side.
• 51:52
  And so I think knowing that women want some autonomy, but
• 51:57
  also knowing that they probably are going to want to stay home
• 51:59
  with the kids. They want flexibility, they want
• 52:00
  flexibility and they want time. They want their time back.
• 52:02
  Yeah. And so they.
• 52:03
  Can be with their kids more. Yeah.
• 52:05
  And so with that, if you know, this is how most women and
• 52:09
  amusing generalities are and is not, of course there's caveats.
• 52:12
  Of course there's women like I want to, I get back to my thing,
• 52:15
  right? Cool.
• 52:16
  So become the become a provider, become someone that has a scarce
• 52:19
  skill set that is valued in the marketplace.
• 52:21
  Something either around tech, around storytelling, around
• 52:25
  sales or true collar jobs is I know plumbers making multiple 6
• 52:29
  figures running plumbing businesses, right?
• 52:31
  There's a lot of things out there.
• 52:32
  It's just it's just hard. It's hard.
• 52:35
  Most people don't want to do it. And then the last part I would
• 52:37
  say is be the priest. If someone that's the priest of
• 52:39
  their home, he's going to be tender.
• 52:42
  He's going to know to, to when to be stoic and when to be
• 52:45
  vulnerable. He's going to know he's going to
• 52:48
  go process his junk and his trauma from his childhood like I
• 52:51
  had to, and go sit down with a Christian therapist and work
• 52:53
  through all these issues. So priest, provider protector, I
• 52:58
  think, I think that would be my prescription.
• 52:59
  And basically what I, what a lot of what we talk about is,
• 53:01
  listen, you know, if you want to, if you want this life like
• 53:05
  you're going to as a man, you're going to have to figure out how
• 53:06
  to go from the bottom 80% to the top 20%.
• 53:10
  And if it was easy, everybody would do it.
• 53:11
  But it's not. And it's a multifaceted thing.
• 53:14
  And so. Here's a question.
• 53:17
  Do you think that you said the bottom 80% of the top 20?
• 53:21
  I have an idea on this, but I want to hear you first.
• 53:24
  Do you think that if everybody was inspired and courage, you
• 53:29
  know, obviously we hope everyone comes to know Jesus Christ, but
• 53:33
  everyone is going that direction in sincerity and having good
• 53:36
  direction. Like you're providing and
• 53:37
  saying, listen, I'm going to try to, you know, work to have the
• 53:40
  best skills possible and deal with my trauma and try to be the
• 53:43
  best man or the best woman I can do.
• 53:45
  But we're talking specifically about men.
• 53:47
  There's not like only a 20% of them that can succeed.
• 53:51
  It's not a 0 sum game where only a few get to win and 80% will
• 53:55
  always fail. It's that actually we can
• 53:58
  rebuild the economy and rebuild our communities where we're all
• 54:02
  winners. I mean, what do you, what do you
• 54:03
  think about? That that's a great point, I.
• 54:06
  Because I do think there's a competitiveness that says some
• 54:09
  are always going to be losers. Yeah, I don't know.
• 54:12
  I honestly don't know. I've thought about this and I've
• 54:13
  wrestled with this because you see it again.
• 54:16
  I'm not trying to make like theological saying, but you see
• 54:18
  Jesus saying stuff like the poor will always be among you, right?
• 54:22
  They're like there's these, there's there's a people are
• 54:26
  broken, people are sinful, people are are struggling.
• 54:30
  And I don't know if like we could all be middle class, upper
• 54:33
  middle class. I don't know how that works,
• 54:34
  right? I think somebody somewhere will
• 54:36
  always have to do some sort of service job and some sort of,
• 54:39
  you know, but I think to what you're getting at is maybe those
• 54:42
  become more seasonal. Maybe the people that are doing
• 54:45
  the McDonald's flipping fries in McDonald's, right?
• 54:47
  It's like view just like, Oh my gosh, but maybe those jobs
• 54:51
  become something you do until you're 1819 and then you pivot,
• 54:54
  you go develop some sort of skill or some sort of trade.
• 54:57
  And then by the time you're in your 20s and your 30s, that's
• 54:59
  when you're starting to get closer to six figures and have
• 55:02
  the type of life where your wife can stay home, you go travel
• 55:05
  occasionally take a vacation, have kids.
• 55:07
  So I think it's possible. I'm not that I'm not that much
• 55:12
  of A like a macro economist to know if that's like how that
• 55:15
  will flesh out. And then I, I also like, I also
• 55:19
  tend to be a bit more like cynical of people.
• 55:22
  Like I think people left to their own devices are going to
• 55:25
  drift and do some gnarly. Things I agree, I think I think
• 55:29
  you're right. The poor, just like death, will
• 55:30
  always be with us. We're all going to die, that's a
• 55:33
  fact. And there will always be
• 55:35
  calamities that may strike, right, Like tragedies that may
• 55:38
  strike, illness that may strike, disability that may strike,
• 55:41
  accidents that may strike. And so in that sense, poverty
• 55:44
  does come and can come in different ways.
• 55:47
  But I think the idea is generally speaking, we can, I,
• 55:50
  and I believe this anyways, like we can shift a society towards
• 55:54
  health, economic health, spiritual health.
• 55:58
  That is possible if enough people, it's no longer the 20%,
• 56:01
  it's now the 40% or the 50 or even the 60%.
• 56:04
  And it's a, it's really a matter of choice.
• 56:06
  It's a matter of free will. Are we choosing to do the good
• 56:10
  things and to be and to help one another?
• 56:12
  Because again, I'm not saying each person on their own can do
• 56:14
  this by themselves. We do need each other.
• 56:16
  I just when you say all that, I'm like, yeah, that just sounds
• 56:20
  very lofty. Let me let me work on the the
• 56:23
  small. Let's.
• 56:24
  Get a macro economist in here, we'll suss it out.
• 56:27
  But even even just like, let me focus.
• 56:29
  I I want to help the men I have influence over.
• 56:31
  And if we can get a million, 10 million men to to but I'm.
• 56:36
  Just saying they're not knocking somebody else out of the 20%.
• 56:38
  Yeah, I don't think it's zero. I don't think it's a zero or
• 56:41
  something you're doing you're. Doing like a 21% right, yes,
• 56:44
  getting those million men in, yes or something.
• 56:46
  Yes, I, I. Which is awesome.
• 56:48
  I would love that. I would love that.
• 56:50
  I don't. I just, I don't know.
• 56:51
  I don't know how that fleshes out, you know, but I love that.
• 56:54
  Yeah. I think, I think that I think
• 56:55
  it's possible. I don't know if it's probable.
• 56:58
  Sure, you know. Well, I appreciate you just
• 57:00
  saying that. I think it's possible, but I
• 57:02
  want it to be true. I mean, I, I, I want everyone to
• 57:05
  get saved. I want everyone to go to heaven.
• 57:06
  I want everybody to, to follow Jesus and to defy all the odds
• 57:11
  and all the, the way I have been, the way my, my wife has
• 57:14
  been able to, the way we're starting to see these
• 57:16
  generational things shift in our own families.
• 57:19
  Like I, I want everybody to experience that.
• 57:21
  I just, I don't, I don't know how we get there, you know,
• 57:24
  outside of just consenting for the gospel, persuading people,
• 57:27
  having good, reasonable conversations, all that kind of
• 57:29
  stuff. I was doing an interview with
• 57:31
  Francis Chan and I was saying like, how do we change
• 57:33
  California? And he was basically like, he
• 57:36
  kind of said, I don't know. I mean, he said we got to just
• 57:39
  each individually recognize God as God.
• 57:41
  And you know, it comes back to the individual and their choices
• 57:44
  and us trying to be obedient, being faithful because the Strat
• 57:49
  it's like, how do you mastermind a strategy to save civilization?
• 57:52
  Yep, kind of have to start with the building blocks and each do
• 57:55
  our own part. Well, I think it's a combination
• 57:58
  of living out the principles that we say we live out, right,
• 58:02
  and communicating that we're living them out in a persuasive
• 58:06
  way. And I think that could be tricky
• 58:08
  for us. So one of the gripes that I
• 58:11
  often hear and when my friend sat me down about, am I now
• 58:15
  French right, because I'm pro-life or whatever.
• 58:17
  So like, I've always been pro-life.
• 58:18
  Like is, he said, well, why are the people who are the most
• 58:22
  vocal about the pro-life thing? Why don't we ever see them
• 58:25
  adopting kids? Why don't we ever see them
• 58:27
  caring for single mothers? Why don't we ever see them doing
• 58:29
  this and doing that? And I said, well, statistically,
• 58:32
  they're actually way more likely to her top kids.
• 58:34
  Statistically practicing people of faith are doubt more than
• 58:38
  double the rate of adopting kids than people who aren't
• 58:40
  practicing people of faith. You there's a ton of work being
• 58:44
  done and there's a lot of resources and said, well, the
• 58:47
  lady next to me works for some pro-life Resource Center and she
• 58:50
  her marriage is terrible and she's this and she's that.
• 58:51
  And I'm like, OK, well, that's your anecdotal example.
• 58:53
  If we're looking at the data, we pull the data out is actually
• 58:57
  the the people of faith who are adopting and caring for the
• 58:59
  single moms and doing all these, the pregnancy resource centers,
• 59:02
  all these different things. So my question then becomes how
• 59:06
  do we share that in a persuasive way at scale, right?
• 59:10
  And how do we, Well, I think, I think media, I think media, I
• 59:13
  think having these conversations, I think, I think
• 59:15
  there's the statistics aspect of it, but I think it's like people
• 59:18
  seeing what, what is available to a woman if she's like in
• 59:24
  this, like, dude, I'm, I'm, I got raped.
• 59:26
  I don't, what am I going to do? I don't know, I don't know
• 59:28
  family, what do we do, right? And I think it's like showing
• 59:30
  that there are people out here that are caring for the least of
• 59:32
  these and really attempting this.
• 59:35
  And and then again, and then there's a statistic aspect,
• 59:37
  which is most women who do get raped still keep the baby,
• 59:40
  right, which is something people don't know.
• 59:41
  So it's like you, you, there's a, there's many ways to
• 59:45
  communicate this and show this. And I think imagination through
• 59:49
  capturing imagination through narrative and storytelling, I
• 59:51
  think is super powerful. And I want to see that, which I
• 59:54
  think is why would you guys do is important.
• 59:56
  Like watching your guys's Instagram content has been
• 59:58
  amazing where you're like, it's like these really good condensed
• 1:00:01
  stories, right walk up. How do you feel about the?
• 1:00:05
  Pro-life, pro-choice. Well, I'm pro-choice, but I
• 1:00:06
  would never have OK, this is what this this looks like,
• 1:00:09
  right? This is what the procedure looks
• 1:00:10
  like and it petrified. Well, no.
• 1:00:12
  And then boom, they're most of them are persuaded and it's a
• 1:00:15
  great narrative and it's right. So I think like that's the sort
• 1:00:18
  of stuff that I think can persuade people.
• 1:00:21
  And I think that that has to has to be both has to be both logic
• 1:00:24
  and and heart and passion. And sometimes, if we're, if I'm
• 1:00:28
  being honest, like Christians and conservatives, we don't do
• 1:00:31
  the best job of the heart part, right, which just facts over
• 1:00:36
  feelings you need to know. And I think that's why, again,
• 1:00:39
  what you guys do is, is brilliant, but also like Matt
• 1:00:41
  Walsh's what is a woman documented because it humanizes
• 1:00:45
  and and shows you like, here's the consequences of of this and
• 1:00:48
  why aren't we platforming to detransitioners and why aren't
• 1:00:50
  we talking about this? And then when we humanize these
• 1:00:52
  things, it becomes really powerful.
• 1:00:54
  I had a girl on which I'd actually really love you love
• 1:00:56
  for you to connect with. She's a, she was a elite level
• 1:01:00
  athlete in track and field and she got pregnant and she kept
• 1:01:04
  the baby and she was able to, to go on and do more.
• 1:01:09
  And she thought this was the end of her career.
• 1:01:10
  Yeah, she's, she's amazing. She's one of my friends.
• 1:01:13
  And I interviewed her and I and I was like, OK, like I can tell
• 1:01:18
  them the facts about the, the pro-life position.
• 1:01:20
  I, I could do it in a persuade. I could dunk on the lips.
• 1:01:22
  I could dunk all the all the goofy people that like just
• 1:01:25
  saying stupid stuff, right? But let me bring on someone
• 1:01:28
  that's a young black girl who kept the baby and went even
• 1:01:33
  higher up in her career that it doesn't have to be this false
• 1:01:36
  binary. And she shared a story and it
• 1:01:38
  was very eloquent and it was great.
• 1:01:39
  And so she is a single mom on TikTok persuading people about
• 1:01:46
  keeping their kids amazing. And it's a net, right?
• 1:01:48
  It's a narrative like we need more people like that.
• 1:01:50
  And she's an elite level athlete.
• 1:01:52
  Like she's, she's she. In California.
• 1:01:54
  Yeah, she's she's actually not too far from her.
• 1:01:56
  Yeah. I'll connect you guys.
• 1:01:57
  She's great. Love to talk to you.
• 1:01:58
  Yeah. She's probably like maybe an
• 1:01:59
  hour from here. Yeah.
• 1:02:00
  Well, we're having Chloe Cole come here in a couple weeks.
• 1:02:03
  She's the girl from Oakland area, California, and she had
• 1:02:07
  the double mastectomy at like 15 because she had gender dysphoria
• 1:02:11
  and they just mutilated her basically.
• 1:02:14
  And now she's a detransitioner. She's amazing, She's beautiful.
• 1:02:16
  She's sharing her story everywhere.
• 1:02:17
  But you, you hear someone like that, you hear her story, you
• 1:02:20
  hear a story of your friend, you know, choosing life for her baby
• 1:02:23
  and, and still going on to be a competitive athlete.
• 1:02:25
  And you're just it, it does. It destroys the narrative from
• 1:02:29
  the from the opposing side who's pushing these these dark things.
• 1:02:32
  And and and and again, the opposing side often does better
• 1:02:36
  with narrative. They just tell stories better.
• 1:02:39
  You know, that they can speak to the emotional aspect and tell
• 1:02:42
  stories better often times. But I think, I think, I think
• 1:02:47
  voices like yours and women speak.
• 1:02:49
  You said it's good, it's good that we have men in the space.
• 1:02:51
  I think the frustrating thing about being a man who's pro-life
• 1:02:53
  is like, shut up. We want a woman on.
• 1:02:56
  You should have a woman on right now.
• 1:02:57
  And I'm like, OK, like you want me just to fly in just to rent?
• 1:03:01
  Like which woman 'cause if I bring on a girl that's super
• 1:03:04
  pro-life who's black and had a baby as a teenager and then went
• 1:03:07
  on to do it. Oh well, no, she's not right.
• 1:03:09
  Like which woman? What do you what do you guys
• 1:03:11
  want? So I think that the cool part is
• 1:03:12
  like watching your stuff and you debated Brenda from Goddess
• 1:03:17
  Grey. And I think I actually think
• 1:03:20
  more women saying these things, it makes it easy for guys like
• 1:03:24
  me that can say, well actually there's a lot of women that feel
• 1:03:26
  this way. Actually, most pro-life
• 1:03:28
  advocates are women. Most of the pro-life
• 1:03:31
  organizations like we're on, I'm on a text thread with a bunch of
• 1:03:34
  pro-life women leaders of national organizations and it's
• 1:03:37
  like 7-8 ladies and we're all like, you know, texting about
• 1:03:40
  stuff. And it's, I mean, not to say
• 1:03:42
  there aren't organizations led by men, but it is it is mostly
• 1:03:45
  women. Yeah.
• 1:03:46
  What do you think people in my position are people who are
• 1:03:49
  influential or people who are closeted pro-life?
• 1:03:53
  There's a lot of closeted pro-life.
• 1:03:54
  People there are, it's so true. It's.
• 1:03:56
  So weird. And I'm like, well.
• 1:03:57
  It's just they need, they just need to see an opportunity to
• 1:03:59
  not get crushed by the opposing narrative because they're just,
• 1:04:02
  it's a fear thing. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:04
  So so you think it's just I got, how do we persuade those people?
• 1:04:08
  Because I got a lot of friends that like even my buddy who sat
• 1:04:10
  me down, I'm not saying abortion's OK.
• 1:04:12
  I'm not saying it's abortion. He's like your tone and.
• 1:04:15
  Honestly, I think the only way is more and better content
• 1:04:19
  become the media, become the narrative, like just speak,
• 1:04:23
  speak, speak, do better, do more, do better, do more like so
• 1:04:26
  live action we're like aggressively growing.
• 1:04:28
  I'm starting this thing called GTB media, goodness, truth,
• 1:04:30
  beauty media, doing stuff. You're doing your stuff.
• 1:04:33
  Like we all just need to keep doing stuff and try to do it
• 1:04:36
  better and more lovingly and better stories.
• 1:04:39
  And because that's going to ultimately give other people
• 1:04:43
  courage in the end. And your friend, you got under
• 1:04:45
  his skin, he's listening. That's huge.
• 1:04:49
  And give it a few years. Maybe eventually we'll come
• 1:04:51
  around. There's enough, enough people
• 1:04:53
  speaking out. Have you, have you guys faced a
• 1:04:56
  lot of resistance towards all this stuff?
• 1:04:58
  Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of, I mean, yeah, I mean, there's a
• 1:05:03
  look at California especially, right?
• 1:05:05
  The politics in the state are crazy and there are some really
• 1:05:10
  just very zealous angry people on the pro abortion side.
• 1:05:14
  And then the institutions, you know, media, media groups today
• 1:05:17
  and tech companies today and big business, a lot of big
• 1:05:21
  businesses today. Obviously the Democratic Party
• 1:05:23
  today is very pro abortion, but I don't think the vision that
• 1:05:28
  they have to share is ultimately bringing people happiness or
• 1:05:32
  meaning. That's why people are so
• 1:05:33
  miserable. Like the the current modern diet
• 1:05:36
  diet of media and like worldview is making people sick,
• 1:05:39
  literally. And so people I think are
• 1:05:42
  looking for something different. And that's why people like you
• 1:05:44
  who is growing a lot, you know, you're growing on YouTube.
• 1:05:47
  So many others are growing in media.
• 1:05:49
  Other voices are out there influencing people that are
• 1:05:51
  alternative, you could say from the, you know, the prevailing
• 1:05:54
  talking points of leftism. I don't know.
• 1:05:56
  You want to call it that. They're interesting to people
• 1:05:58
  because people are looking. Do you think there's a shift
• 1:06:00
  happening? I do and it starts shifts always
• 1:06:03
  surprise you, but they're like 1520 years in the making.
• 1:06:06
  You know, there's no overnight made star.
• 1:06:08
  There's not like that doesn't happen.
• 1:06:10
  It actually was decades in the making.
• 1:06:12
  And I think that's happening right now.
• 1:06:13
  And I do think revival obviously is key.
• 1:06:17
  I, I mean, just this past Easter, so many people came into
• 1:06:21
  the Catholic Church. You know, public figures came
• 1:06:23
  into the Catholic Church. A bunch of, you know, people
• 1:06:25
  that I know came into the church.
• 1:06:26
  I mean, it was amazing. Like the churches were full of
• 1:06:29
  people just becoming Catholic, becoming entering the church.
• 1:06:33
  How do you guys deal with some of the more pro-choice voices
• 1:06:39
  that proclaim to be Catholic? So Biden, Pelosi, right, one of
• 1:06:45
  the guys didn't want to give her communion.
• 1:06:47
  Even AOC she's she was like raised Catholic.
• 1:06:51
  But she's not like a Rep in it like I.
• 1:06:53
  I don't know that she's practicing, but yeah, I mean, I
• 1:06:56
  think Biden says he goes to Mass, and I think Pelosi says
• 1:06:59
  she goes to mass every Sunday. So how does that work?
• 1:07:01
  It doesn't work. No, but I mean like this does.
• 1:07:03
  Does does anyone ever pull them to the side?
• 1:07:05
  Yeah, like so Archbishop Salvatore Cordlioni in San
• 1:07:09
  Francisco actually saw that, said to said to Pelosi.
• 1:07:14
  You cannot come to present yourself for communion.
• 1:07:16
  Yeah. So they're getting censured.
• 1:07:18
  They're getting. People are, but they don't
• 1:07:20
  really care. I mean, unfortunately there's a
• 1:07:22
  cultural Catholicism that doesn't really care.
• 1:07:25
  So we got to do an episode too. Just on all that.
• 1:07:28
  Yeah. On all the.
• 1:07:29
  Yeah, no, it's it's fascinating. I remember seeing it and I was
• 1:07:31
  like, good for him. Yeah, that was great.
• 1:07:33
  That was great. But yeah, I wrestle with that
• 1:07:35
  because I think evange, like evangelicals tend to know, like
• 1:07:39
  we know, like, OK, but I think they're afraid.
• 1:07:42
  Like they're legitimately afraid to be like, dude, this is wrong.
• 1:07:48
  I don't. I don't care.
• 1:07:50
  And the. One point percent chance that
• 1:07:52
  this and this happened and these are, this is wrong.
• 1:07:55
  It's objectively wrong, but and it does seem like if I'm looking
• 1:07:58
  at the data, it does seem like there's a shift in terms of most
• 1:08:00
  people, you know, most people are like like 12 weeks yuck, you
• 1:08:05
  know, but that isn't represented in how the policy is being
• 1:08:08
  written. Because if it was then, and and
• 1:08:10
  this is not me speaking in a moral sense, this is me speaking
• 1:08:12
  in a pragmatic sense, then our policies would look similar to
• 1:08:15
  Europe where there's like these snarly but abortion in the first
• 1:08:19
  trimester is just as bad as any other.
• 1:08:21
  Trimester, that's what I'm speaking.
• 1:08:22
  Pragmatic. No.
• 1:08:23
  But I, I, I, I hear, I. Hear what you're saying?
• 1:08:26
  I think it just has to do with education, awareness, continuing
• 1:08:29
  to get the word out there, like you said, storytelling,
• 1:08:31
  narratives, all that stuff. So where can people find your
• 1:08:34
  stuff? Yeah, Ruslan KD on all
• 1:08:36
  platforms. We have a second channel.
• 1:08:38
  Called Bless God studios. That's on YouTube or on Facebook
• 1:08:42
  a little bit on TikTok. TikTok doesn't like us at all.
• 1:08:45
  I was banned. You were banned on TikTok.
• 1:08:46
  Good for you. I'm done.
• 1:08:48
  Good. For you.
• 1:08:49
  Instagram Ruslan. KD So yeah, just just.
• 1:08:51
  On all the platforms. Awesome.
• 1:08:53
  We should do this again. We should.
• 1:08:54
  Thank you. I want to ask you more
• 1:08:55
  questions. Yeah.
• 1:08:56
  No, I know I'm going to come. I'm going to come to Vista and.
• 1:08:58
  We'll do it. Thank you, Ruslan.
• 1:09:00
  Great to chat with you. Yes.