Latest / In Focus with Carolyn Hutcheson / Panhandle Pirates Pt. 2 - TPR's In Focus - May 28, 2026
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- 0:19From Troy Public Radio, this is In Focus,
- 0:23and I'm Carolyn Hutcheson.
- 0:25In our History in Your Hands series,
- 0:28we talk with archaeologist Michael Thomin
- 0:31about the exploits of pirate Charles Gibbs.
- 0:35Michael serves as assistant director
- 0:38of education and interpretation
- 0:40for the Florida Public Archaeology Network
- 0:43at the University of West Florida.
- 0:48Mike, welcome back to Troy Public Radio.
- 0:50Thanks so much for having me back.
- 0:53Mike, you told one of the most intriguing stories
- 0:56in one of our previous interviews.
- 0:58You grew up loving pirate stories,
- 1:02and your first story was about a very famous pirate
- 1:05along the Panhandle, Jean Lafitte.
- 1:08Of course, Lafitte is probably the better known,
- 1:10but there was also a famous or infamous pirate
- 1:14that had some connections to the Florida Panhandle
- 1:16in the 1830s, so a little bit later on than the Lafittes,
- 1:20but his alias was Charles Gibbs.
- 1:23Did you ever find out his real name?
- 1:25Yes, we do know his real name was James Jeffers
- 1:29or James Jeffries.
- 1:31Basically, what happened is after his whole trial,
- 1:34which was splashed across newspapers all across the country,
- 1:37it was a sensational news story
- 1:40in all the major newspapers,
- 1:41but during the course of his trial and conviction,
- 1:45and then later on his execution,
- 1:47it came out during some reporting
- 1:49that his real name was actually James Jeffers
- 1:52and that Charles Gibbs was an alias.
- 1:56Can you compare Charles Gibbs with Jean Lafitte?
- 1:59Yes, probably the biggest thing,
- 2:01obviously other than their involvement with piracy,
- 2:04is the fact that these two pirates
- 2:06operated in the early 19th century,
- 2:10so unlike what most people are familiar with,
- 2:13pirates during what's known as the golden age of piracy,
- 2:16so this is late 1600s throughout the early 1700s,
- 2:19but 100 years after that in the late 1700s, early 1800s,
- 2:24piracy kind of spiraled back out of control
- 2:26in the Gulf and Caribbean.
- 2:27These two operated around that time.
- 2:30Charles Gibbs was a mariner.
- 2:33He had spent most of his life at sea,
- 2:36but there's a lot of questions about the story
- 2:38that eventually came out because of this trial.
- 2:42In 1831, there was this sensational trial
- 2:46that was beginning to be reported on,
- 2:48and it involved Charles Gibbs,
- 2:50and he was on board a vessel, a brig,
- 2:54called the Vineyard.
- 2:55It was carrying cargo from New Orleans,
- 2:57and its plan was to sail from New Orleans
- 2:59up to Philadelphia.
- 3:01Well, during the voyage,
- 3:02it came out that the brig, the Vineyard,
- 3:06was actually also carrying several kegs
- 3:09full of Mexican dollars that were valued
- 3:12anywhere between $15,000 to $20,000 at the time,
- 3:16so worth a lot of money.
- 3:17When some of the crew members figured this out,
- 3:20including Charles Gibbs,
- 3:22they conspired that they would steal the money.
- 3:24It was just too much of a valuable opportunity
- 3:27for them to pass up,
- 3:28so they killed the captain,
- 3:30they killed the first mate,
- 3:31and then they eventually took the ship to New York,
- 3:34and when they got to New York,
- 3:36they decided that they needed to cover up their crime,
- 3:39so they put the money that they got off the vessel
- 3:43onto two small longboats,
- 3:45and then they set the brig, Vineyard,
- 3:47on fire and let it sink.
- 3:49So what happened after they sank the ship?
- 3:52They were trying to row to shore
- 3:54to what's now Long Island, New York,
- 3:56but the weather kicked up,
- 3:57and one of the boats capsized,
- 4:00and they lost most of their money except for one keg.
- 4:02Eventually, they were able to make it to shore,
- 4:05and they were able to bury one of the kegs,
- 4:07and then they made it to a tavern
- 4:10and then tried to sort of cover it up from there,
- 4:12but unfortunately for them,
- 4:13they were eventually caught,
- 4:15and then they were put on trial,
- 4:16and actually two of the individuals,
- 4:18Charles Gibbs and one of his co-conspirators,
- 4:21Thomas Wainsley, were convicted
- 4:23because two of the other co-conspirators
- 4:25actually cooperated with the state prosecutor
- 4:29and bore witness testimony against them.
- 4:31Were the coins ever found?
- 4:33This is such an interesting case.
- 4:35It is one of the very few documented cases
- 4:39where pirates actually buried treasure.
- 4:42Pirates burying treasure is kind of the trope, right?
- 4:45When we think of Treasure Island, right?
- 4:47That's kind of really what started that trope.
- 4:50When that book was written by Robert Louis Stevenson,
- 4:54he probably got that idea
- 4:56for burying treasure from this case.
- 4:59It wasn't typical for pirates
- 5:01to even get things like gold and silver dollars,
- 5:05and most of what pirates were capturing
- 5:07were things like the Lafittes,
- 5:08where they were enslaved people,
- 5:10or the cargo that the ship was actually carrying.
- 5:13Very few pirates were successfully able
- 5:16to actually get hold of money.
- 5:18One of the only actual documented cases
- 5:21that we have where pirates were burying treasure,
- 5:23but the pirates actually came back and dug it up.
- 5:26So there was never left.
- 5:27When people buried things that were valuable,
- 5:29typically they didn't plan
- 5:30to just never come and get it again.
- 5:32And that's one of my favorite things about Treasure Island.
- 5:34If you read the story at the end of the book,
- 5:36when they finally get to the X marks the spot on the map
- 5:40and they get to the buried treasure,
- 5:41the buried treasure had already been found, been dug up.
- 5:45So yes, it was found by the pirates who buried it.
- 5:47How did the law catch up with him?
- 5:49When they had gone to a tavern,
- 5:50they had to get their stories straight.
- 5:52And one of the co-conspirators felt
- 5:54that they were about to be swindled
- 5:56out of their fair share of the money.
- 5:58So he basically ratted on them.
- 5:59He told the authorities,
- 6:01and then the one co-conspirator
- 6:03who had told the authorities,
- 6:05the marshal who then arrested everybody,
- 6:07agreed to testify against the two individuals
- 6:11who were eventually charged with murder and piracy
- 6:14and then hanged.
- 6:15And Charles Gibbs was one of those people.
- 6:17What happened to his body?
- 6:19Well, Charles Gibbs and Thomas Wainsley
- 6:21were taken to Ellis Island.
- 6:24There's a fort there called Fort Gibson,
- 6:26and that is where they had this very public execution.
- 6:29Public executions throughout this time period
- 6:32were very common.
- 6:34Papers often reported in very graphic detail.
- 6:37And so they were taken to Fort Gibson
- 6:39and they were hanged there.
- 6:40Charles Gibbs' body, it was basically donated to science.
- 6:44They went to the medical college for dissection,
- 6:45and then they performed just autopsies
- 6:48for scientific reasons.
- 6:49And actually, there's a piece of his cranium
- 6:51that is in a collection at a museum.
- 6:54This mutiny and piracy during this period,
- 6:57I mean, it's kind of peculiar
- 6:58because the 1830s is kind of late.
- 7:00But really what drove the media sort of frenzy
- 7:04over this case was the things that Charles Gibbs
- 7:09admitted to doing, the different piratical acts
- 7:12that he committed throughout his very long career.
- 7:16And that's where really the sensationalization
- 7:20of this story took root.
- 7:22And so a local magistrate visits him,
- 7:25and it's there where Gibbs confesses to 15 years
- 7:29of being involved in piracy throughout the Gulf and Caribbean
- 7:34and it's just an incredible story.
- 7:36Charles Gibbs, according to his testimony
- 7:39and to what he later confesses to,
- 7:42he originally served on the USS Chesapeake
- 7:45during the War of 1812.
- 7:47And it was involved in a very famous battle
- 7:49with a ship called HMS Shannon,
- 7:51where the Chesapeake was actually captured.
- 7:54Not long after that, according to Gibbs' account,
- 7:56he's captured, he spends a couple years
- 7:58in Nova Scotia as a prisoner.
- 8:00But after the War of 1812 ends in 1815,
- 8:04Charles Gibbs joins a privateer ship
- 8:07that has a commission to fight against
- 8:09some of the Spanish-American countries
- 8:11that are revolting against Spain.
- 8:13He joins a schooner called Maria,
- 8:15gets involved in piracy, according to his own account.
- 8:19And he says that when they were on Maria,
- 8:21they weren't getting as much action
- 8:24as they were hoping to get, so they decided to mutiny.
- 8:27And that's where he gets his connection to the panhandle,
- 8:30because based on his testimony,
- 8:32they actually dropped off the officers in Pensacola
- 8:35and decided they would just become full-fledged pirates.
- 8:38And from there, he basically claims
- 8:40to have been involved in many different incidents of piracy
- 8:43throughout the Gulf and Caribbean,
- 8:45where he claims to have captured over 40 ships
- 8:48and admits to executing most of the crews on those ships.
- 8:53We know that most of the things that Charles Gibbs claims
- 8:56in those confessions, including his claim
- 8:59that he served on USS Chesapeake, are just not true.
- 9:03There's been several historians that have tried to verify
- 9:05some of the claims that he makes,
- 9:07and so far, very few of the things that he's said
- 9:11in his confession have been corroborated.
- 9:14Obviously, he was burnishing his legend.
- 9:18Mike, I want to thank you for joining us today
- 9:20with the story of Pirate Charles Gibbs.
- 9:24Thanks so much for having me back.
- 9:26That was archaeologist Michael Thoman,
- 9:28Director of Research and Education
- 9:31at the University of West Florida
- 9:33and Senior Research Associate
- 9:36with the Florida Public Archaeology Network.
- 9:39Thanks for joining us
- 9:40for the History in Your Hands archaeology series
- 9:44here on In Focus.
- 9:46I'm Carolyn Hutcheson,
- 9:47and this is listener-supported Troy Public Radio.