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Jemele Hill Full Interview · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: my next guest because she's on the phone and I
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Speaker 1: believe it's West Coast time. Over the course of the
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Speaker 1: past year, hasn't undergone a series of major transitions. She
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Speaker 1: departed ESPN after nearly twelver years and now is a
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Speaker 1: senior staff writer at The Atlantic, started large, large freeway media,
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Speaker 1: and got engaged to the love of her life. We
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Speaker 1: gotta talk about that because I sold pictures on social
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Speaker 1: media because I follow her, you know, and please welcome
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Speaker 1: to money making conversation. Emmy Award winning journalists and a
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Speaker 1: huge social media influencer, Jamil Hill. What a introduction? Well,
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Speaker 1: when I'm a fan, you do that when you're a fan,
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Speaker 1: and then you know, I like to say, everybody not
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Speaker 1: getting over shot McDonald, I go, oh two, say I
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Speaker 1: said that. Can I get Jamil here. I've been a
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Speaker 1: fan of yours for a long time. You don't know that,
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Speaker 1: you know, you don't know. I did not know that,
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Speaker 1: but that that definitely it's very humbling. So I really
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Speaker 1: appreciate it. So thank you. Because your talents, you have
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Speaker 1: a point of view, and that that's what that's what
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Speaker 1: inspires my relationship with you, because of the fact from
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Speaker 1: a from a fault, because this is the first time
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Speaker 1: we have spoken, and what drives that point of view
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Speaker 1: to say, you have an opinion and you want to
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Speaker 1: let other people understand where you stand. Is that important
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Speaker 1: to you? Well, it is important. Um, of course, some
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Speaker 1: of this depends on what it is you plan to say,
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Speaker 1: and I think it's something that just evolves over time.
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Speaker 1: I don't think as soon as you come out the
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Speaker 1: womb you automatically have an opinion. Your opinion is gained
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Speaker 1: through life experience, through um adversity, UM challenges, UM and
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Speaker 1: even successes. And so that's kind of where my opinion
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Speaker 1: has always kind of come to fruition. And I think
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Speaker 1: it's you know, a lot of it is determined based
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Speaker 1: off how you've lived and where you come. I mean
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Speaker 1: from the city and betrayed. It's a very gretty tough city.
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Speaker 1: And so I think a lot of the toughness and
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Speaker 1: the it and the determination that I have has been
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Speaker 1: formed based off where I grew up and how I
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Speaker 1: grew up, and so all of that informs my perspective,
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Speaker 1: and I think it's important to share it just because
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Speaker 1: there are other people who come from backgrounds that they
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Speaker 1: can relate to. Um, you know when they look at yours.
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Speaker 1: And so sometimes when you come from a certain background,
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Speaker 1: you feel as if you shouldn't be heard or don't
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Speaker 1: deserve to be heard. And so I'd like to think, um,
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Speaker 1: some example that you know, everybody deserves to be heard.
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Speaker 1: That it's only it's not a certain type of person
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Speaker 1: who has a certain from a certain place. I don't
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Speaker 1: those people who are to have an opinion and make
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Speaker 1: their mark in this world. Yeah, to be avitability, to
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Speaker 1: be able to right, to be able to articulate, and
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Speaker 1: being a female in a male dominated business now being
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Speaker 1: a ESPN for twoever years, I mean you have to
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Speaker 1: start in an environment that male dominated, even email dominates today.
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Speaker 1: So what is it important that you find your voice?
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Speaker 1: That was in sports? Now you find your voice and
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Speaker 1: I feel in a much more universal platform because you
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Speaker 1: talk about politics, were fashion talk about entertainment, you talk
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Speaker 1: about sports, even though you cut your teeth on that.
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Speaker 1: What is what is the vorce you're trying to? Uh?
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Speaker 1: I guess articulate on a daily basis on your podcast. Well,
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Speaker 1: one thing I'm really grateful about is when I got
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Speaker 1: to ESPN in November two thousand and six. It was
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Speaker 1: after I had already been a sports journalist for almost
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Speaker 1: a decade. So I came in there with a strong
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Speaker 1: sense of who I was, um, the type of content
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Speaker 1: I wanted to produce, and what I was about. And
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Speaker 1: so I went there kind of at a at a
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Speaker 1: perfect age. And once I was there, I was able
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Speaker 1: to take all the things that I learned and um,
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Speaker 1: you know, learn the value of how to distribute that
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Speaker 1: content on different platforms. You know, I came in to
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Speaker 1: ESPN it's just to print newspaper reporter. And when I left,
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Speaker 1: my skill set was just so much different because even
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Speaker 1: though you know what I was saying and who I was,
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Speaker 1: that hadn't really changed. But by the time I left,
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Speaker 1: I had you been a sports inner anchor, I've had
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Speaker 1: a podcast already, um, had done digital stuff, you know,
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Speaker 1: doing daily television, been a writer on a on a
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Speaker 1: digital platform. So I took all of that once I left.
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Speaker 1: Now I'm in a new iteration in my career, and
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Speaker 1: so that's why I'm able to use my content in
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Speaker 1: different ways. I'm a writer for The Atlantic publication that
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Speaker 1: I've always loved and had read for many years before
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Speaker 1: I started writing for him. Doing the podcast on Spotify,
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Speaker 1: I've already had a podcast at UP and so I'm
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Speaker 1: bringing that experience there and like to would have you know,
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Speaker 1: I had an idea in a sense of the type
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Speaker 1: of podcast I wanted to do going into it, and so, um,
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Speaker 1: a lot of it is just me kind of developing
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Speaker 1: into a utility you know, player to use the sports term.
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Speaker 1: And I tell young people all the time, the method
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Speaker 1: which we deliver things will allways changed. The technology is
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Speaker 1: always going to change. But that's why you have to
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Speaker 1: have a foundation of understanding what your core skills are.
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Speaker 1: If you want to be a journalist, you have to
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Speaker 1: number one, be curious and two you have to know
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Speaker 1: how to report. Those two things will not change. It
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you're getting your message out um you know,
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Speaker 1: be a bull be a bullhorn, or if you're doing
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Speaker 1: it on a platform like you have. So uh, it
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Speaker 1: just is a matter of to me adaptation. And so
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Speaker 1: now with my podcast, what I wanted to do is
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Speaker 1: just down with interesting people, um, people who have something
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Speaker 1: to say, compelling people, And I always say I always
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Speaker 1: say to people that, like, everybody who's on my podcast
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Speaker 1: are not people that I have necessarily agree with. Some people,
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Speaker 1: I think that's what makes it interesting. Um, they just
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Speaker 1: have to have something to say. And UM, my only
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Speaker 1: rule that I ever had for it is that I
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Speaker 1: don't capitulate the stupid. So, um, there's one thing to
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Speaker 1: have a different opinion, there's the one thing another thing
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Speaker 1: to have a stupid, unimportant opinion. So I wanted to
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Speaker 1: sit down with people, hear what they have to say,
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Speaker 1: get their backstory, and figure out what made them them.
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Speaker 1: Well that's interesting because um, when I when I hear
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Speaker 1: you and when I watched you on ESPN, I always
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Speaker 1: got there the feeling you was creative. You know, use
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Speaker 1: us a creative person especialized to watch the promos when
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Speaker 1: you're in Michael Hope, we're hosting forts and they were
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Speaker 1: very entertainment, they were very organic to your personality. So
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Speaker 1: now when I look at that, you know, it's the
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Speaker 1: Atlantic magazine. Atlantic magazine that you're not covering coverage politics, culture, technology,
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Speaker 1: health and more and podcast videos and that's a lot.
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Speaker 1: And I think that you're you're you're following your you're
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Speaker 1: in an area now and your personality in your career
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Speaker 1: where guess what, all the tentacles can start being tapped.
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Speaker 1: Is that correct? Yeah. When I when I was thinking
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Speaker 1: about what I wanted to my career look like post ESPN,
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Speaker 1: I knew I wanted to do different things, but I
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Speaker 1: also knew that I wanted it to work in a
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Speaker 1: certain synergy. So, uh, the Atlantic like writing is very
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Speaker 1: important to me, and I don't think people really realize
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Speaker 1: that until after I left the ESPN need me going
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Speaker 1: into broadcasting was a pure accident. It wasn't something I
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Speaker 1: decided to do about talked about being a pure accident.
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Speaker 1: So this is a great thing about working at ESPN
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Speaker 1: UM is that they have so many different you know, platforms,
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Speaker 1: and uh, what happens is once you sort of show
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Speaker 1: the ability to uh you know, kind of have an
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Speaker 1: opinion and to put it out there in a thoughtful way,
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Speaker 1: that's what makes television producers attracted to putting you on TV.
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Speaker 1: So I was writing in the producers sees that I
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Speaker 1: have an opinion about a particular issue, they wanted to
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Speaker 1: step from their show. They put me on their show.
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Speaker 1: I happened to be natural when it came to television.
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Speaker 1: A lot of the reason I was natural about it
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Speaker 1: is because I didn't really care about it. So I
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Speaker 1: didn't go on there and trying to be some fake
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Speaker 1: version of somebody else on TV. I mean there being
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Speaker 1: myself because that's the only thing that I knew how
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Speaker 1: to do. I didn't know any better. Okay, I'm not
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Speaker 1: that good of an actor to act as someone else
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Speaker 1: on television, so um, giving my comfort level, Um, you know,
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Speaker 1: it started to really it worked for me. And one
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Speaker 1: show called, and another show called, and that was two
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Speaker 1: years in to ESPN, and half my job was television
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Speaker 1: and that wasn't the way it was supposed to be. Again,
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Speaker 1: I was hired to be a sports columnist for ESPN
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Speaker 1: dot com. That was the original job. And so the
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Speaker 1: TV stuff started to pop off. And I'm very honest
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Speaker 1: about this, and I don't mind saying it. I don't
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Speaker 1: feel guilty about it. Um. I chose television, eventually dropped
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Speaker 1: the writing and show television because of the money and
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Speaker 1: the thing is in in TV there. You know, when
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Speaker 1: I saw that Matt Lowerd was making twenty five million
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Speaker 1: dollars a year, and I think, yeah, Friday's off. Well,
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Speaker 1: that'll change your mind about television. So you know, the writer,
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Speaker 1: a writer is only going to get paid so much
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Speaker 1: what you can make in TV. And you know this
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Speaker 1: because in your background, which you can make a TV
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Speaker 1: is is it's the beast down. But we're gonna hold
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Speaker 1: that thought. We're gonna come back with more. I want
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Speaker 1: to talk about that. You know this top five m
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Speaker 1: c s that I hearried about. I want to find
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Speaker 1: out we on the same page here, Jamil Hill, one
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Speaker 1: of my favorite people in the in the media period.
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Speaker 1: Money making conversation with Sean McDonald, Jamal, This was Sean McDonald,
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Speaker 1: How you doing good? Did I mentioned the name of
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Speaker 1: your podcast? You know you got? I got? You know
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Speaker 1: my program director is your classmate over here. You know
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Speaker 1: the name of the podcast with Jamal Hill is unbothered.
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Speaker 1: That's right, he said. You ain't said like, okay, let
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Speaker 1: me make sure I get that out of front. You know,
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Speaker 1: you know when you have classmates over here pushing your
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Speaker 1: you know, don't let me just work my show in
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Speaker 1: the flow. I want to work it. You know, I
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Speaker 1: gotta produce. You know about them producers, they'd be sitting
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Speaker 1: on a side like in your ear on TV. You
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Speaker 1: know about that be talking you're about to say something
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Speaker 1: in the ear said now say my boy man, good boy.
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Speaker 1: Her boys are Dale Henderson, Michigan State grad. You know
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Speaker 1: I'm there. That's right. The last few years I've been
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Speaker 1: frustrating that basketball tournament. That's almost that almost almost I know.
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Speaker 1: Now let's talk about now there again my program director,
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Speaker 1: Dale Henderson. We're talking about five MC top five MCS.
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Speaker 1: Now what was that all? What was he talking about? See?
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Speaker 1: Can you can? You? Can you educate my audience? Everybody
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Speaker 1: knows your real range of conversation. It's not just tied
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Speaker 1: to sports. Come on, and I want people to understand
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Speaker 1: m that my podcast on Spotify, which is called Jamal
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Speaker 1: Hill is unbolted by the way you can download subscribe
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Speaker 1: for freeze. You don't know that? Um is that? You know?
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Speaker 1: One of the sort of questions I like to ask,
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Speaker 1: especially because lately I've had a lot of mcs on.
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Speaker 1: I had Tolquality ice Cube, I've had Black Thought in
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Speaker 1: comment and I like to hear who their fives are.
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Speaker 1: And it's funny because they're they've all corrected me and say,
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Speaker 1: you mean my favorites, right? And I was like, okay,
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Speaker 1: I'll let you in to your favorites. So they're very yeah,
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Speaker 1: they're very um specific about it. So we've had an
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Speaker 1: ongoing rolling conversation about top five m c s. And
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Speaker 1: what's so interesting is when you ask actual mcs their
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Speaker 1: top five, there's so much different than what most of
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Speaker 1: the public will say. Like most of the public will say,
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Speaker 1: you know Biggie or Pod jay Z A lot of them, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: a lot of them have jay Z in their top five.
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Speaker 1: But then they go super specific and they'll say, it's
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Speaker 1: amazing is of all the rappers are named. I'm think
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Speaker 1: four of the five that I had on there put
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Speaker 1: Big that Cane in their top five, and you never
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Speaker 1: hear that in the general public. But in terms of
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Speaker 1: respect for his lyrics and slow, so many mcs love Big,
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Speaker 1: Big Day Came and Cool g rap and there's just
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Speaker 1: they're just different kind of names. I mean. So, another
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Speaker 1: name that came up, I think it was common that
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Speaker 1: may have said it, or it was either common or
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Speaker 1: black thought was Andre's three thousands, And I told them him,
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Speaker 1: I cannot I love three sacks out. You know the
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Speaker 1: roots of my favorite hip hop rout for all time
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Speaker 1: Outcast is one a n W bag number two. I
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Speaker 1: could not put Andre three Sacks in my top five
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Speaker 1: because he gotta have a solo album. Look, I know
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Speaker 1: a lot of people are gonna say, but what about
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Speaker 1: love below? I get it. No, I need three Sacks
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Speaker 1: to have kids go on his own solo before he
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Speaker 1: is five, because the other artists have had to do it.
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Speaker 1: And the thing about three Stacks cheating, man, he is
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Speaker 1: cheating because he will come in on a feature and
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Speaker 1: just drop a hydrogen bomb on the track and then
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Speaker 1: he's out just one verse and then he's gone, and
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Speaker 1: it's like, no, man, I need a whole album. And
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Speaker 1: that's to put you in the top top. See this
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Speaker 1: is that. This is why I follow her. This is
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Speaker 1: what I followed show even know I followed because her
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Speaker 1: personality is so cool. And it's the part that I
13:52
Speaker 1: want to make sure to come out of in my
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Speaker 1: interview with her, is that she's so much. She's so fun,
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Speaker 1: she's so much. She's one of the people like you know,
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Speaker 1: people look at me, they look at my face up
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Speaker 1: to they go, oh, you have any good time? Ago?
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Speaker 1: What's wrong? Well, you don't look like you have. But
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Speaker 1: the amazing thing about when you when you talk to
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Speaker 1: a person like Jamil Hill and you look at the
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Speaker 1: brand that she's developing and the career that she's had,
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Speaker 1: it's really really allows you to be this is a
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Speaker 1: unique situation. So who who are? What is your top five?
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Speaker 1: Let's go go to the heart of this conversation. I
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Speaker 1: don't really care what commons said, I don't care what
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Speaker 1: anybody say. Who is your top five? So we get
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Speaker 1: this all. We're gonna put this on my social media,
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Speaker 1: Jamil top five MC what you now? You put you
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Speaker 1: now you're putting like a little little one. Look uh
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Speaker 1: what saying by qualified? There you go see she's a writer.
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Speaker 1: I just had a way. She gonna throw the word
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Speaker 1: out for me. She could be a game show up qualified. Yes,
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Speaker 1: thank you, Jami. So my top five and I emphasized my,
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Speaker 1: not yours. So because people when you say top five,
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Speaker 1: but like what about says if it was about such
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Speaker 1: such such such would be a top five? Right right
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Speaker 1: right right, right right right? It's not jay Z big
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Speaker 1: and black thoughts. Okay, So so tupac ain't nowhere. No,
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Speaker 1: it's not tupac Ain't nowhere. Party politics, sex, Tupac ain't nowhere.
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Speaker 1: See see that's how that's how you get in the
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Speaker 1: fights on the corner. Really, Hey, they can ask me,
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Speaker 1: debate me whatever, if we if you ask me to
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Speaker 1: insulted me. I'm on Spotify on Spotify five Spotify. That's
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Speaker 1: her show, so you call her get that point of view.
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Speaker 1: But she allows us to have a person out. Now,
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Speaker 1: it's a couple of guests on this show. And when
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Speaker 1: I saw the list, I went Cat Williams, and then
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Speaker 1: I saw Stacy Abrams. That's an extreme Stacy Abels, African
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Speaker 1: American woman who wore ran for almost became the next governor,
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Speaker 1: but lost to Brian Kemp in his last good meatorial election. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so how do you how do you have a conversation
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Speaker 1: between Cat Williams. They didn't have another conversation with Stacey Abrams. Well,
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Speaker 1: as I said, you know, the number one thing you
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Speaker 1: have to do is is be interesting. That's so that's
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Speaker 1: what attracts me to having certain people on. And this
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Speaker 1: is part of my twenty one years experienced as a journalist.
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Speaker 1: I've interviewed all manner of people. I know. Mostly I've
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Speaker 1: been primarily in sports, but I've interviewed all manner of athletes,
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Speaker 1: from high school athletes UM to Lebron James to a
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Speaker 1: number of different people, all with different stories, from different backgrounds,
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Speaker 1: a different collage of people, and it's no different when
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Speaker 1: you step outside of sports. Obviously. Stacy Abram, she's the
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Speaker 1: first black woman UH to be to be the gym,
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Speaker 1: to be a nominee of the governor, to win her
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Speaker 1: party's nominee for governor. UM. You know, there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of people who followed the news know that there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of over suppression on in Georgia, a lot of
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Speaker 1: murky circumstances around her laws and um, she has a testimony,
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Speaker 1: and you want to find out that somebody who suffers
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Speaker 1: that kind of setback, how do they go on from there?
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Speaker 1: And her career in life was like an interesting thing
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Speaker 1: about her and maybe some people can know this is
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Speaker 1: that she's actually written I think uh six um kind
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Speaker 1: of romance novels. So she's a novelist and she writes
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Speaker 1: under a food him and I thought that was, you know,
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Speaker 1: very interesting and cast He's got a lot of layers
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Speaker 1: to him, and that's one of the most interesting people
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Speaker 1: that I've ever talked to uh, you know, he left
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Speaker 1: home when he was thirteen, and he he left because
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Speaker 1: he just wanted to leave. And as he told me
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Speaker 1: on my podcast, he saw that Jesus said he was
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Speaker 1: a man at thirty three, and so he thought he
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Speaker 1: was a man that could leave. So um, so yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean it's just these people who I think have
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Speaker 1: very interesting stories um that happened maybe been put out
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Speaker 1: there in the way that that I, you know, I
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Speaker 1: have been able to put them out there, especially because
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Speaker 1: the podcast. The great thing about it and you know this,
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Speaker 1: you know with your show here it's an infinite environment
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Speaker 1: and you're talking to one person and it's just you two,
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Speaker 1: and I think that allows people to really, you know,
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Speaker 1: really open up. I have one dropping today with Marcellis
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Speaker 1: Bennett Um the former NFL player, formers super Bowl champion,
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