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Al Roker, Deborah Joy Winans, Darrin Dewitt Henson & Ronnie Green · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: fan of this young man is the weather man slash
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  Speaker 1: co anchor on NBC's Today's Show and co host of
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  Speaker 1: the third hour of Today. His owner and CEO of
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  Speaker 1: his production company, Our Roker Entertainment Incorporated. He is on
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  Speaker 1: the show to discuss this new book, You Look So
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  Speaker 1: Much Better in Person. It's great title. His journey is
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  Speaker 1: about his journey, but it teaches us how we can
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  Speaker 1: of memories of being in the spotlight. Most importantly, you
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  Speaker 1: can purchase this book right now, Right now, you can
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  Speaker 1: buy this book. Please, welcome to money making Conversation. I'm
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  Speaker 1: calling my friend Our Roker. Hi, right John? How are
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  Speaker 1: you pretty good? My friend? Uh? This is a book
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  Speaker 1: about a first of all, before him get started. I
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  Speaker 1: thought reading this book, especially at the end of chapter three,
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  Speaker 1: well you announced that you are. You are other man,
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  Speaker 1: a parade host, a production guy, master ceremonies, an occasional author.
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  Speaker 1: Your Your book could easily have been titled more than
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  Speaker 1: a weather man or weather person. Yeah, I guess it
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  Speaker 1: could have been. Um. But you know, one of the
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  Speaker 1: things I've learned, one of the best bits of advice
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  Speaker 1: I was given was by Willard was by Willard Scott,
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  Speaker 1: who was my mentor, who's the man who helped me,
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  Speaker 1: uh develop who I am? Said, you know, he goes
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  Speaker 1: Listen two things because and this was at a dinner
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  Speaker 1: we were having. He said, always be yourself because at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, they can take anything away
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  Speaker 1: from you, but they can't take you away from you. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And the other thing he said was never give up
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  Speaker 1: your day job, you know, no matter uh. Because back
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  Speaker 1: then when we were having dinner, he was the the
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  Speaker 1: number one news personality in Washington, d C. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: and and while he was doing that, he still had
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  Speaker 1: all these side hustles were obviously we didn't call upside huts, right,
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  Speaker 1: but but he always said, you know, at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day, everybody knows me for this, and that's
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  Speaker 1: where all of this comes from. And so you know,
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  Speaker 1: I try to do all these different things and take
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  Speaker 1: advantage of all these different opportunities. But the reason those
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  Speaker 1: opportunities come up is because I'm on the Today Show. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: you know when I when I was reading the book,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know, you travel from Syracuse, did you
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  Speaker 1: go down to d C. Then you go down to
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  Speaker 1: Cleveland and you come back to New York City. It's
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  Speaker 1: it's a journey, but it's the journey about I've never
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  Speaker 1: given up and working hard. That's that seems to be
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  Speaker 1: the message that you're trying to tell. When the opposite
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  Speaker 1: tunity to posit itself go forward, but when you go
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  Speaker 1: for it give that seems to be the tone of
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  Speaker 1: the book. Correct. Well, here's the deal. My dad told me.
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  Speaker 1: I talked about this in my book, and absolutely my
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  Speaker 1: dad and he is, you know, we lost it back
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand one, and I still, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: miss him every day. But one of the things that
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  Speaker 1: he told me in high school was, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: he said, listen, you are going to have to work
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  Speaker 1: twice as hard and be twice as good to get
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  Speaker 1: half as far as the white kid next to you.
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  Speaker 1: And I said, and I said to I said, but
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  Speaker 1: that that's not fairies, that's not called fairness. It's called life.
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  Speaker 1: He said, And if that's that's what you're gonna do.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember coming home one day with a report
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  Speaker 1: card that was less than stellar, and I thought he
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  Speaker 1: is going to just explode. Uh. And I got home
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  Speaker 1: and he came home. He was working as a bus driver.
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  Speaker 1: Came home and my mother showed him the report card
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  Speaker 1: and he looked at me and he said, if you
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  Speaker 1: can tell me this is the best you can do,
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  Speaker 1: then I will accept it. But if this is not,
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  Speaker 1: I am really disappointed at you and got up and
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  Speaker 1: left the table. And I was like, damn uh. And
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  Speaker 1: I brought those grades job. So you know when you
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  Speaker 1: when you say that about because I'm African American and
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  Speaker 1: fifty um and we talk about, you know, the times
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  Speaker 1: that we are in now we're now COVID and eighteen
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  Speaker 1: with the civil unrests. And I look at your career
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  Speaker 1: and I'd like to believe that you are a trailblazer.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that you was a trailblazer in Syracuse, you
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  Speaker 1: are a trailblazer in d C, trailblazer in Cleveland, and
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  Speaker 1: even the trailblazers today, and do do do I'm just
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  Speaker 1: asking this question. Now, do you realize the significance of
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  Speaker 1: who you are as an African American for somebody or
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  Speaker 1: my children to see you and TV. Well, you know
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  Speaker 1: that that's very I don't even know what to say
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  Speaker 1: to that. In in that uh you know, I think
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  Speaker 1: I think our goal, I think as as a people
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  Speaker 1: are just to do your job and do it to
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  Speaker 1: the best of your ability. So that, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's what people see and not just that you know,
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  Speaker 1: the whether it's an Al Roker on TV or listening
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  Speaker 1: to a Rashaan On on the podcast. You know, but
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  Speaker 1: when you see people in their line of work who
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  Speaker 1: do their line of work to the best of possibilities,
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  Speaker 1: then that becomes those people become role models. I was
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  Speaker 1: just talking to somebody, you know growing up in New
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  Speaker 1: York City, you know, uh, when I was a kid,
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  Speaker 1: you know, seeing a uh Bill McCrary or a J. J. Johnston,
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  Speaker 1: or a or a Guilt Noble or Melbourne Tolliver Boptique,
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  Speaker 1: you know, all these folks, you know, And to be honest,
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  Speaker 1: I never wanted to be on TV, but I remember
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  Speaker 1: what a big deal it was to see us, absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying is that it's a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: You know, this story, your story starts at sixty eight
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  Speaker 1: when you were in college, you know, and got this job.
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  Speaker 1: We game weather man job, and you know, and you
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  Speaker 1: went in there and and you you you you basically
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  Speaker 1: just I'm gonna call him till he tell me to
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  Speaker 1: stop calling. And you know, the funny thing is, once
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  Speaker 1: I got the job, it was funny because I was
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  Speaker 1: going to be the first. You know, There're been people,
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  Speaker 1: you know they were, but we had black reporters and
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  Speaker 1: the black cameras. That's what I'm saying. I don't want
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  Speaker 1: you to show away, and that's a way. But I'm
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  Speaker 1: not shying away. But you know, I guess here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: I've tried to raise my kids that, uh, listen, Dad's
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  Speaker 1: on TV. But you know what, Dad's job is not
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  Speaker 1: any more important than uh bus driver, which my dad was,
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  Speaker 1: uh truck driver, firefighter, any of those folks, you know,
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  Speaker 1: as long as they are because you look it. Once
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  Speaker 1: I'm off TV, I'm still me. But I'm not. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not Al Roker on TV. I'm just Al Roker.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, I don't think that we're important that
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  Speaker 1: much more important just because of what I do. You
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  Speaker 1: should important for who you are, not what you are.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely I'm not I'm not shying away from what And
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm not I'm not saying that you are.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, this is what I've had to uh
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  Speaker 1: kind of impart upon my kids, because you know they've
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  Speaker 1: seen me fine rage, i'l roker wearing a suit, holding
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  Speaker 1: a briefcase with them trying to flag a cab and
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  Speaker 1: then bed down that half and that cab passes you
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  Speaker 1: by for a white guy or a white woman half
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  Speaker 1: a block down who does isn't dressed nearly as well
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  Speaker 1: as you are, you know, and and and so you know,
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  Speaker 1: I said, look and at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: and that's what's been so amazing about this. There's almost
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  Speaker 1: this I wish I could have written this book, post
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  Speaker 1: or or you know, during this pandemic because it has
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  Speaker 1: brought out a lot of things. And you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I am so grateful that I did one of the last,
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  Speaker 1: if not the last, the interview with John Lewis, and
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  Speaker 1: uh he talked about how hard you know, just when
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  Speaker 1: you think maybe there's no hope or you're feeling a
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  Speaker 1: little down about stuff, and he said, seeing these people,
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  Speaker 1: seeing this diverse group, his rainbow of this amazing. He
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  Speaker 1: isn't an amazing young people demonstrating that has said enough
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  Speaker 1: enough that and you know what we're done. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think this would have happened if we weren't in a pandemic,
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  Speaker 1: because George Floyd would have just been another black guy
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  Speaker 1: who had been murdered, because we would have gone, we
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  Speaker 1: would have gone back to all and we would have said,
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  Speaker 1: oh that's terrible. As a as a country, oh that's horrible,
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  Speaker 1: and then something else would come by to distract us.
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  Speaker 1: We would go back to our our world, go back
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  Speaker 1: to our jobs, go back to whatever we're doing, go
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  Speaker 1: back to our vacations. But this happened when we had
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  Speaker 1: no choice but to look. We could not look away.
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  Speaker 1: And and and as you're saying the truth, you're speaking
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  Speaker 1: the truth because you know this weekend, because they told
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  Speaker 1: me I was gonna be interview this Monday, And you
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  Speaker 1: brought up John Lewis because I was gonna bring him
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  Speaker 1: up in his interview. And I'm not trying to um
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  Speaker 1: make you uncomfortable now when I talk to you about
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  Speaker 1: who you are and what you mean to African Americans.
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  Speaker 1: Is that, uh, when you know as much as I
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  Speaker 1: knew about John Lewis, when I see him walk down
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  Speaker 1: that bridge and Selma five years old. Yeah, that was
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  Speaker 1: for the first time I saw him, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: saw him. And and you are a pioneer, and you've
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  Speaker 1: written a great book and all these great stories you
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  Speaker 1: tell are told are checkpoints of history to me. To
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  Speaker 1: me because I know that I'm in the entertainment business.
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  Speaker 1: I know the difficulties of what you have to do
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  Speaker 1: in entertainment to be successful period, and it may it
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  Speaker 1: may be the most difficult. Feel that you can get
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  Speaker 1: in and try to be a person of color and
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  Speaker 1: try to be successful in entertainment and you've achieved it.
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  Speaker 1: And I say that because of the fact that in Syracuse,
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  Speaker 1: d C. Cleveland, New York, you have to be a
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  Speaker 1: person of authority and accepted that the information coming out
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  Speaker 1: of your mouth it's real and accurate. And you've achieved
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  Speaker 1: that for before the years. That's that's an incredible talent.
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  Speaker 1: And I just wanted to congratulate you on there, and
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  Speaker 1: that was important for me to let you know how
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  Speaker 1: I feel from a person, my daughter, my my my family,
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  Speaker 1: that you have been important to the African American community,
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  Speaker 1: my friend, and and that that that that you know,
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  Speaker 1: it resonates in this book more when I read it,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, you you couch you very well with humor.
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  Speaker 1: But also the reality is that you have to be
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  Speaker 1: you have to be on uh loick on your feet.
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  Speaker 1: You have to be smart, and you have to be
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  Speaker 1: willing to work hard. And when the opposite coptunity to
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  Speaker 1: position itself, you cannot shy away from it. That's what
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  Speaker 1: you that's the tell of your book, right. And you
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  Speaker 1: know it's funny because uh, uh, you know, I left.
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  Speaker 1: I got a job in Syracuse, and then I got
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  Speaker 1: a job in New Washington, and I moved to Cleveland,
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  Speaker 1: which was, you know, fairly at the time the late
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  Speaker 1: seventies was a fairly racially polarized city. Uh and uh again,
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  Speaker 1: I was the first black weather man there. And um,
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  Speaker 1: what was interesting, I had a we had an anchor guy.
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  Speaker 1: He was married to his color. Uh and and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Doug it there and and you know, nice man. I
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  Speaker 1: you know, if you had asked me, is Doug racist,
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  Speaker 1: I'd say no. But Doug, you know, could say some things.
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  Speaker 1: And Uh, one night are after our newscast, we were
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  Speaker 1: in downtown Cleveland, had a great time to be out
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  Speaker 1: after eleven o'clock. Uh, an older African American gentleman who's homeless.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody knew it, came up behind Doug with a rolled
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  Speaker 1: up newspaper and kind of bopped him on the back
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  Speaker 1: of the head and ran off and that was it. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the next day, Doug's telling everybody how he was assaulted,
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  Speaker 1: an attack, and we all kind of like, uh, we
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  Speaker 1: wish we had been the one who had done it.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, uh, anyway, his his wife, his co host
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  Speaker 1: Mona is about to introduce me. We're live on TV
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  Speaker 1: and just and now here's Mona before you introduced. Now, Al,
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  Speaker 1: I have to tell you. I don't know if you'd heard,
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  Speaker 1: but last night after eleven o'clock news, one of your
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  Speaker 1: people attacked me. Now, uh, you know it's one of
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  Speaker 1: those moments for Sean where time stands still. You're trying
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  Speaker 1: to figure out how are how am I going to
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  Speaker 1: react to this as an outrage is and I fled
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  Speaker 1: only TV. I looked him and I said, Doug, why
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  Speaker 1: in the world with the weather with a weather man
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  Speaker 1: attack you, and then just moved moved on. Um, well, well,
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  Speaker 1: people were outraged for me. They called you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: and they had to suspend him, and then he came
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  Speaker 1: back to as a reporter, demoted kind of a field
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  Speaker 1: anchor as they called it. And then like six seven
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  Speaker 1: months later he resigned and he and his wife left,
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  Speaker 1: went down to Columbus, soo Ohio, and you know, another
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  Speaker 1: good ten years down there. But you know it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: you've you've got to pick your look. There's so there,
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  Speaker 1: there's so much that we can be outraged about right
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  Speaker 1: that we have to pick our points. Um, George Floyd
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  Speaker 1: beyond outrage. Um uh you know me being called out
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  Speaker 1: by an anchor man, you know, for some goofy thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: maybe not so much. But but you can have the
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  Speaker 1: same You're gonna have the same impact. You know. I
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  Speaker 1: was thank you for the comment down Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking to Aroca. His fantastic book that you can
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  Speaker 1: get up at four o'clock every day, al you are
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  Speaker 1: a three forty five a m guy. You beat me
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  Speaker 1: by fifteen minutes, my friend, so ill I I give you.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta bout down to you for that fifteen minutes.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason I bring that up because a lot
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  Speaker 1: of my friends and co workers and people that called
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  Speaker 1: me for motivation and advise to said, Richard, what do
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  Speaker 1: you get at four o'clock? Do you have to be anywhere? Folk? Like?
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  Speaker 1: I said? No, No, I said, but it's a difference
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  Speaker 1: when I get up at four and a difference when
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  Speaker 1: I get up at six is how I prepare for
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  Speaker 1: the day. And it's not so much, and it's how
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  Speaker 1: you how you allow your body and your mind to
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  Speaker 1: go through. I get up, all I go downstairs, I
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  Speaker 1: stretch and watching the news to about four three, that
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  Speaker 1: fine about the weather. Then about five o'clock I'm in
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  Speaker 1: my life. You know, I'm on my own pace and
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  Speaker 1: so teller to walk through the steps for by that time,
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  Speaker 1: besides having to be the work at a certain time
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  Speaker 1: every morning Monday through Friday, that three is important to you,
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  Speaker 1: and we should and people should and here to having
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  Speaker 1: a set time that they get up on a daily
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  Speaker 1: basis to be successful. Well, here's the deal. I find
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  Speaker 1: that I am most productive in that hour because I
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  Speaker 1: don't really need to get up till four forty or
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  Speaker 1: five o'clock or even five fifteen, much like yourself. But
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  Speaker 1: there's no there are no phone calls to be made,
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  Speaker 1: there are no emails to answer, there are no kids
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  Speaker 1: projects that you've got to work on. Uh, you don't
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  Speaker 1: have to. Don't tell our aze of the answer to
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  Speaker 1: your wife. All you have to do is get up
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  Speaker 1: and do what you what you want to do. I
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  Speaker 1: don't like rushing, much like yourself. I do not like
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  Speaker 1: rushing to get ready for work. I would rather and
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  Speaker 1: and to be frankly, to be frank that's when I
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  Speaker 1: wrote most of his book during that that hour. Either.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, we we find we tend to waste
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of time. You know, if if you could
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: uh add up the time you're you're kind of mindlessly
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: scrolling the internet, you know, on the you know, looking
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: at Twitter or Instagram, and and the time you're just
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: looking at things to buy or what you probably could
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  Speaker 1: find another ninety minutes in your debt. Yes you could,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Yes you could. And I tell people that I said,
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  Speaker 1: there are twenty four hours in the day. Learn to
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: take advantage of each hour. And that's what you're saying
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: right now when you say, look I got up, Sean,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: it's my time. Yep. So that's why I I tell
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  Speaker 1: people that I wrote in the book and said, you know,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: get up at least an hour before you after because
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: you will you will be a surprised and I think
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: kind of amazed at how productive you that hour will
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: be for you. That was a great That was a
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: great point of knowledge in your book. Another great point
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: of knowledge I wanted to bring out was the power
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: of relationships. And two people that stood out this book
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: and I always telling about I alway tell about people
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: about my life, is that people I didn't see the
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: vision in me sometimes and some people saw it and
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: they pushed me in the direction of a nudged me
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: or sometimes say while you still standing here looking at me,
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  Speaker 1: get out. And Chris and Cleveland and you mentioned his
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: name earlier, Willis Scott in the in the DC talk
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: about the significant role they played as far as the
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: power relationships in your life to the career you have today. Well, yeah,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like I said, Willard gave me
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: all that advice and just nurtured you know, like, uh,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: you know, really got me ready for this. In a
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  Speaker 1: sense he was I and I say this with no shame.
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  Speaker 1: I consider him like a second dad. In fact, if
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: my dad was still alive today, they would be the
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  Speaker 1: same age. Uh. You know. And and he just you know,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: he was generous to a fault. He still is. But
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  Speaker 1: you know the idea when I was I was working
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: at w NBC in New York and filling in for him,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: and he came to me and he said, listen, it's
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: it's my time. I'm going to step back a little bit. Um.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: But they should be thinking about putting you in there.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: And that's who I'm telling them. But if they come
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: to you, just know that this is my choice. Uh. Now,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: there are there are very few people in this business
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: who would do that. Um. And and the person who
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: set me up to be in that position was this woman,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: my news director, Chris Ostrowski. UM. She in Cleveland. She
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: was the one who told me about the weekend weather
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: job in New York. She said, look, they're looking for
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: a weekend weather person. You're from New York. You don't
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: need to be here anymore. Uh. I called the news director.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Have your agent called the news director, tell him I
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: know that you're calling, and you need to get down
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: there an audition for that job. Um. And I auditioned.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: My agent called, they said they loved it. They want
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: you to start. And my station in Cleveland was about
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: to we had moved from third place to second, and
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: we were knocking on the door for the first place,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: and the news and the generalmana who said, here's what
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: we'll do. If you agree to stay for another two years,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: we will raise your salary. You'll be the second highest
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: paid anchor person in in Cleveland. We will guarantee the
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: end of those two years you will move to New
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: York as the weekend weather man. Have the same salary
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: that you're making now, which would have been far more
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: than I would have been making in New York if
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I had taken the job. And I thought, you know what,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: why not Cleveland. I enjoy it, so I'm gonna I'm
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: gonna stay. And I went in to tell my news
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: director and she said, now, as your news director, I
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: think this is great news, it's fantastic. As your friend,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I think you're making a huge mistake. You need to
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  Speaker 1: get out of here now. Now. Who does that? You know? Uh?
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying that who did There was
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  Speaker 1: something that somebody who saw something in you that you
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: weren't ready to accept. I know. I say that because
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: it's happened to me, And I say that the people
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: all the time is that you value relationship. You and
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: she's your mentor as well. And i'd like to believe
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: will it which is your mentor? And people see stuff
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: and they tell you, don't relax because your gifts were
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  Speaker 1: greater than what we're being offered in Cleveland. Go to
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: New York, young man, go there and challenge yourself. And
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: that move is the move. While we see you today
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  Speaker 1: owned the The The Day Show. Yep. And now you know
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: we talked about earlier about you know, all these different jobs.
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  Speaker 1: Now they call it multiple streams of income. You know,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: back in the day and just said we were Jamaican's
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: when we had those many jobs. But now it's called
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: multiple stories of you're right, right, right, right right, Notice,
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  Speaker 1: properly using multiple streiesta have multiple streams, ain't come if
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  Speaker 1: you want to make in the world today. Now one
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: of those multiple streams of income is the Al Roker
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  Speaker 1: Entertainment Incorporated. Production company. Tells us them like that, And
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: why was it important that you start and produce things
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: out of that production company? What's your name? Well, you
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: know I always wanted I said, I didn't want to
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: be on TV. I wanted to be in TV. I
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: wanted to work in television, and I've always wanted to produce.
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  Speaker 1: And and I did a couple of specials for the
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Food Network just as a host and uh and I
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: saw and they wanted me to do some more, and I,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: why can I produce these? So I asked the general
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: manager at the time, who used to work with me
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: at w NBC, and she said sure. And I really
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: enjoyed it, and so kept producing shows. Did some for
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the Weather Channel and Lifetime and some other places where
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: we're about to announce an animated series for a network
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I can't mention right now. Uh, we're doing stuff with
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: a Uh. We we just have a very varied group
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: of projects. One that looks at veterans coming back with
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: brain injuries with a group called Life Aid. It's called
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Life Aid, A Story of Hope. It's going to air
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: the end of August on Discovery American Heroes and the
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Science Channel. Uh And and you know, it was It's
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: important to me to be able to have a voice,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: to be able to you know, have a say in
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: what we do and how we do it. Now, what
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: is the difference then? You know, I'm talking to a
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Roca has great book. You should buy it right now
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: called you look so much better in person? Uh? When when?
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: When you're because there's word you are a star. You're
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: a media star, your television star. You're in a very
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: popular uh morning news broadcast. And we you know, whether
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: expert or an authority. When people walk by, they ask you,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: whether jokingly or seriously, that's who you are. Now you're
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: a producer, a different hat. Does it? Does it? What
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: is the difference of the two other than the fact
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: that you are a media star as a talent. Now
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: you've become an immediate star as a producer. What's the difference? Oh,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: you know, in a sense, they're they're very much the same.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: And that you want you you know, what do you
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: want people to come away with you? Do you do
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: you want them to feel like they've wasted their time
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: or do you want them to feel like they've had
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: some value added by watching you or by watching something
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: you've produced? Um? You know, I like to say that
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: there's no show although my kids are older now, but
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: there's no show that I've produced. I wouldn't be proud
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: to have my kids watch um or my parents watch
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: and looked we could be a far bigger production company,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: but by doing certain kinds of programs and I just
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: don't want to do this. And before we wrap up,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I wanted to bring this comment up and I want
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: you to respond to it. It's about hard work and
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: sometimes when you work hard, you you might not get
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  Speaker 1: paid extra might I feel appreciated when you're working that
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  Speaker 1: hard And I feel it was a major move to
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the success that you are today, because that's what the
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: book lays out to me. Each each chapter tells a
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: story about Okay, this is what I had to do. Now.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I was I happy doing it? No, but I had
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: to do it. And it led to this and one
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: of those examples when you work. When Dr Frank feels
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: before he was moved over to CBS and thought it
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: was gonna be a green of pastors. You worked hard
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: for eight street, eight straight weeks with only two days off.
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  Speaker 1: You know that could have been a breaking point. You
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: could have said enough is enough. He said, Hey, I
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  Speaker 1: want more money. This is not right. You could you
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: could complete Lane, but why did Well here's the deal
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: for two things. And it may sound corny, but um,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I I love what I do. I mean to be
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: in this industry. People say, oh, you work so hard.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I said, you know what, My dad drove a bus
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: for eight hours a day, worked a lot of overtime.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes we wouldn't see him for a couple of days.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: That's really hard work. This is work. But I love
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  Speaker 1: what I'm doing. Uh, it's not a job, it's it's
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: it's my my passion. So if in the long term
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: this is going to bring me something, I don't know
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: if it is or not. But all I know is
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: that if I give somebody else the opportunity to do it,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: then I don't get that opportunity. So I will put
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  Speaker 1: in the hours, I will bust my butt to do
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: it because I want I want whatever's going to come
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: after it, not somebody else. When what came out of
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  Speaker 1: it and NBC you got rolled into the studio, uh,
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  Speaker 1: in a in a chocolate cake and you've been there
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: every since. Just before we just tell us how did
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• 27:16
  Speaker 1: got rolled into the studio and a chocolate cake, well,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: you know it was. It was one of the funny
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: moments in the book. By the way out, Well, thank
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: you tell me listen, you do what you gotta do.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Somebody suggested it and I thought, why not. You know,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: what's the worst that can happen? Luckily I'm not allergic
• 27:38
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  Speaker 1: We know it is winding down Augustly Level is the
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: final day of Greenly. Before we even get there, just
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  Speaker 1: talk about the whole experience. And I also want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about that. As you say that, I want to
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  Speaker 1: go back to your single, I won't start breathing because
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  Speaker 1: green Leaf experience and your character arc over that over
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  Speaker 1: this period. Yes, Wow, thank you. Dream Leaf has been
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  Speaker 1: a dream, you know, something that you feel like maybe
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  Speaker 1: comes once in a lifetime. The way that it happened,
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  Speaker 1: I knew it was god. Um. You know. Oprah saw
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  Speaker 1: me during a workshop in New York and remembered me
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  Speaker 1: from that and called I didn't have an agent. She said,
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  Speaker 1: it to. I believe that you need an audition for
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  Speaker 1: in a million years that I okay God. But oh
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  Speaker 1: It was. It didn't come in the correct order. If
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  Speaker 1: think that she's real. And she saw her grow up.
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  Speaker 1: and she will not allow anyone, not her parents, that
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  Speaker 1: past mistakes. You know this it's really amazing. You know, Lament,
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  Speaker 1: just recently on the show and the show premiered. And
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  Speaker 1: but your character has been a compelling character for me.
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  Speaker 1: falling down and then this then it looks like she's
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  Speaker 1: a trader. Then it looks like she doesn't understand emotionally
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  Speaker 1: the way the season is allowing to say that everybody
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  Speaker 1: has flaws and that's what life feels about. And so
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: you keep pulling the finger like the other things to say.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: If you pulling the finger, somebody remember another part of
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: that hand is pointing back at you exactly. And I
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: look at that character, I go, wow, So now this
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: is this season here. But it has been special because
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: of the fact that you know, we taught you was
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: about to meet the man of your dreams, and he
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: left your charity. He left it for the skinny white lady.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god. And you're playing well
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: on to char every time you look at it. Every
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: time you look at it, look like she got got
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: enough meat on her. Every time you look at it.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: You need a big man. Can you go? Can you
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: look at the last night without watching you and when
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: you walked in that office and you go, you need
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: to talk to your dad. You need to talk to
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: your father yourself, yes, yeah, But you know the thing
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: about it is you When when I look at your character,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: what surprised you the most? When you okay, you got
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: the opportunity to play this role, all right, you necessary,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: you are newbie. You didn't have the resumes that everybody
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: else had when you walked up to the set. How
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: did you really start feeling comfortable about yourself in the
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: process of developing this character and accepting the responsibilities of
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: being this character Charity? Well, this is what I will say, Um,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: when you do do your work and uh, and you're
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: in Hollywood and you continuously get a lot of no, man,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: stay consistent in doing your work, because when you do
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: get that yes, the work will be there to to
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: allow you to stands hall and so I got comfortable. Uh,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I went there and send my comfortable because I know
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: my gifts, I know what I can do, I know
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: the training that I've gone through, I know the hours
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: that I've put in. But when we did the first
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: day of shooting Season one, we did that table then,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: and that was my first time with Keith, that was
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: my first time with everybody, and Oprah was there and uh,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: we did my close up. I was the second person
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: to get a close up and my fourth take. I
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: nailed that thing. And when they called cut, Oprah came
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: over to me crying and she said, that's it. That
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: was it, that was it, and she said I'm done.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: And when I knew that, she didn't regret that for
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: a moment, the decision she made to champion me, even
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: when people said I didn't have it. I was like, Okay,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I'm good. Now, let's get in here, let's work, let's grow,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: let's learn. I'm There's no way I'm not gonna grow
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: when I'm sitting that to someone like keep David and
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Lynn with Field. But at that point I was ready
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: to not just do my work, but to learn and
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: to keep growing. Um, that's that's when I got comfortable
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: and then learning all of the sides of charity. Charity
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: is so multifact of it. And she's so many things,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: and she's she's a single mom. She's been through so
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: much and she's just real. She's really real and relatable.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Were very relatable, and I want to talk about because
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: we're gonna get back to this because I'm not through
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: what anybody listening. I'm not through it greatly. But when
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: you have a last name named Winners, okay, you just
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: remember that's w I N A N Okay. That is
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: a legacy of music because I know BB and I
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: know CC and so you gotta be able to sing
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: even you can't see. You gotta make up some notes
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: like you can see, find an instrument, some drums and something.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Got the music related when you got wine. You have
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: this beautiful song. You know the video dropped in June
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: because I was watching it last night, and the single
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: drops Friday, July thirty. First. It's called I Won't Stop Breathing,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: and it's dedicated to the victims of racial violence, including
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: George Floyd, Brianna Taylor, Trayvon Martin Um on Aubrey. I'm
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: down in Atlanta, Georgia. I'm very familiar when armand Aubrey
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: situations on the news on the data basis, Brother Taylor
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: out of Louisville, h treyvon Martin out of Florida, and
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: of course George Floyd death, unfortunate death, has inspired all
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: these incredible changes that we're about. But I won't stop
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: breathing at the I just want to quote something at
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: the very front, so James Baldwin quote that you have
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: at the very front of the video. To be a
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Negro in this country and to be relatively conscious is
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: to be enraged almost all the time. That's an amazing
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: statement because as a black man, uh because because I
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: remember when the when the when the riots broke out,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: that a lot of white friends called me asking me
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: how how was I Was I all right? And I
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: have explained to him that how you see as me
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: all the time? That let me I'm happy, but I
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: am not happy when the policeman stops me because I'm concerned.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: That's why he's stopping me, because I don't know what's
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: gonna happen at that stop. And that's what that line
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: is said that black people are constantly in a rage
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: and we have to We've learned to deal with that,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: and that's not fair because it affects your health. And
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: what was your thought process? I know I'm sharing my thoughts,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: but an amazing quote by James Ball wanted to lead
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: off your video, and you close it with the amazing
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: president of Barack Obama speaking talk about that whole sequence
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: of putting this together. Then we talked through the to
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: the through the lines of the of the song because
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: I'm a lyricist and I love listening to the great music.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Talk to us, Debora Joy Whinings, Um, yes, I won't
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: stop breathing. It's you know, we went through a hard
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: time and I recognized that the pandemic of the coronavirus
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: still going on, but really all that did to me
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: and I just God makes no mistakes. This whole world
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: got shut down and everybody has to watch what was
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: really happening to black people around this country, and nobody
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: could turn a blind I nobody could say, well, I
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to see that I was doing this.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: I was traveling where I was no everybody but within
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: the house. They couldn't go nowhere, and they were forced
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: to see the tragedy and the plight of the black lights.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: And um, for me, it awakened me to a whole
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: new level because someone was murdered in broad daylight and
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: this man just did not care and and and it
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: hurt me so deeply. And and I am a woman
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: of faith. I love the Lord. This was the first
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: time in my life where I said, Jesus, where are you?
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Can't I can't feel you right now. It just hurt
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: and so UM. After a couple of weeks of just
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: just in my feeling, you know, when you're at that
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: place of you ain't got none good to say, they
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: don't say none at all. I didn't have anything good
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: and um, and then one day I got into the
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: shower and it just hit me. I said, oh my god.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: I grabbed my husband. I said, that's the song that
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I just did a demo for. Because I decided, if
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do music, it needs to be something
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: I love. It needs to be something that I can
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: relate to, that that feels to sue to me or
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: else it won't feel some sue to anybody else listening.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do things just to do it.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: And so I had already decided I want to do
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: this song. I just didn't know, you know, where it
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: would be placed or what it was before. And I
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: said that demo that I just did the song that
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: my brother wrote, that's for right now, that's right now.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I have this idea. I want to do this visual. Um,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I want this, this and this. I said, we need
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: to honor our people, are people that are dying every
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: day for no reason. And my husband took everything I said.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I called a bunch of my friends. I was like,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: I just need you to make a video and hope
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: sign and they were like, what do what I say? Dude?
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I say please please? They held it up for you
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: to look. They did. I love them dearly and I
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: some of your cash members came through too, well, yes
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: they did. That's my family and um. And so I
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: told my asbl what I wanted. He put it together
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: and he was like, well, do you want to go
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: and like we record the song, like you know, in
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: a better way. I said, no, I don't care about
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: my voice. Like, this is what it is. It's about
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: this visual, It's about this moment. It's about these people recognizing,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: um that there is hope for me. This song allows
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: you to have this heartbreak. It allows you to feel
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: the way you feel. It's okay that you are angry,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: but it also lets you know in your anger, you
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: cannot let go, you cannot stop breathing just because somebody
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: else doesn't think that you're worthy or you're worthy thing
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: you are And and to me, the ultimate letting them
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: win is to stop reading. And so we won't stop reading.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: We don't care what you think. And I was like,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: that's the light. That's the thing that I think people
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: need to see. The people that went out and started
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: protesting right away, those front liners, we are all with
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: you and together if we will not stop. And that
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: was my that was my heart. That's been my hope.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: And then you know, the we put the visual out
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: and then people were like, look can we get the song?
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Is it? Oh? You want? You want? I was. I
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: was just emotionally charged, you know, I was. I was
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: just I was just you know, shower and it just
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: hit me and I told my husband, told the people,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: don't hold up aside. And I watched the video five
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: times this morning and I go, okay, this is because
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: you know, because just here's the complimentary things I got
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: to say, you're a beautiful woman and you have a
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: brilliant smile and so indeed, but that that's not what's important.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: In this video. You didn't care about makeup, You didn't care,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: you were just you. I saw a raw, uh, emotional person,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: and I wanted to ask you because that's an important
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: question because you have a gift to be able to sing,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: but when the emotion can kind of interfere with that process,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: how did you hold it together? Debora and singing this
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: great song? I won't stop breathing. Oh I barely did.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I was crying because we shot, we the stuff of me,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: We shot right in our homes, and I just I
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: kept telling my husband like, well, I can't. I need
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: a second because thinking about it makes me angry. Thinking
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: about it hurts my heart. Thinking about it is like
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: oh God, why are there so many names? And so
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't hold it together. I broke down several times
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: and um, but that that's where we are, and I
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: know that that's okay. So there was no holding anything
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: to get there. We don't you know, like this is
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: an idea and you know you you you sent around
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: and you said hold up this sign. I won't stop
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: breathing and then send me the video. How did they
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: feel when they when the videos started coming into you,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: How how did that feel to you when you saw
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it blessed my heart to know that
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: I had people that really are my friends, really are
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: there for me whatever you need um. And it was
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: just a sign that we are all together in this
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: and we're all gonna fight this as best we know how.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: We're all gonna offer whatever we have to offer. And
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: that's what I tell people. It doesn't matter if you
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: are like, well, I'm not a protesters, that's okay. Well
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I can't really donate, that's okay. But there's something you
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: can do with your time to serve the movement, to
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: serve the cause, to push the needle forward. There is
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: something you can do. If you got rest in your body,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: there's something you can do. So find your something. You know,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: when you say that statement about Roshawn, you said, Richard looked,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: it was just the right time. You know. The pandemic
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: got people that just sit down, watch TV and then
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: create conversation. That's what the lockdown did for us when
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: we saw this George Floyd's situation, Because you see how
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: white people are reacting to this. You know, black people,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: we've been angry. We were born angry. Okay, we've been mad.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: We've been dealing with a stomach racism, blatant racism of
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: all types since based on our color, the color of
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: our skids. Always PEO when I walking around, wen't black, man,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I'm black. You you you can be white and you
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: can be different things. And you know, so that's understood.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: What is your thoughts when you see that? To me,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: I'm so happy because I know that they're they're participating.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I'm happy they're angry because of the fact that there
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: can be no change unless they see there's a need
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: for change. Absolutely, there can be no change unless they
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: see the need. Um. But don't if the gloves are off.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to baby you. I'm not. I don't
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: have white friends calling me talking about what can I do?
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Go do some research. Stop talking to me talking. I'm
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: done trying to hold your hands through this. No, you
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: need to hold my hand and having my back. You
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: go do the work and you figure out a way
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: that you can help, and you can lend that that
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: privilege that you have been born with to the cause.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: They figure out a way. That's Mr Trump Michigan talking
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: right there. Mr Trump, right there, girl, come on down down,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: And there's nothing wrong with that. And that's why you know,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: and and and and he's seeing this. You know, I
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: brought you on the show to talk about green Leaf
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: and then they told me about this video and this
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: song that was dropping this Friday. Did you lie through
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: the first I'm gonna tell you, tell you people to
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: send me banners. So I got almost a million social
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: media followers that have fan clubs and all this nay
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: present of my followers a female, and so I want
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: to drop it on Friday. He's dropping on Friday. I
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Wishan mcdonnal wants to dropping on his social media on
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Friday too. That's that's my blessing. That's the blessing of
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: this relationship in this brand that I have because I'm
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: doing this for free, because you know, God is giving
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: me a gift and Elaine, Now, Elaine to talk to
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: people the way I want to talk and ensure them
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: that I'm there for you. Now, with that being said,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: you close the video with a message from former President
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Barack Obama tell us about that. Well, I think that's
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: the light. I think that that is um. You know,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: once we get past that sort of hurting place and
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: that rage, um, we we end on the fact that
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: we recognize that there is evil in this world, but
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: we can overcome that we can. And he represents so
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: much to us, not only his his wisdom, but the
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: fact that he was our first black president, the fact,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: the fact that he's that the fact that people like
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: John Lewis were a god they were able to see
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: that come to refruition that we we've come away, but
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: we've got a ways to go. But my god, we
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: had President Barack Obama, and to me, he represents hope. Girl,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I invited the right come on please because you know,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: because because that hold John Lewis thing, you know, it's
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: it's when I see it. Years old. When he was
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: seventeen years old, he met Rosa Parks. When he was
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: eighteen years old, he met Dr Martin Luther King. Years old,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: he had the courage to walk over a bridge. He's
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: not a big man now and walk into that. I
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: don't know emotionally how fast my heart would have been beaten.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I had been that that and
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: that close to the front. Okay, but they see that
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: moment and to see him get to walk along in
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: d C and that black lives matter them all that
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: they've created. It's a testament that God allowed him to
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: see that experience that be a part of that because
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: he he was at the last stage, because he was
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: really for all you can see physically he had lost
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of weight, but he made that trip like
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: he made all those trips for us. And now your
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: song is another song is making a trip. It's part
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: of the bigger perspective. We don't have individual leaders, but Debora,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: you are a leader. You are a person who has
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: woke up one day and say, look, it's not about fame,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: It's about how I feel. And social media allows me
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: to be able to communicate my voice in a positive
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: manner and remind people, and not about you being my fan.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: It's about we can all make a difference. And this
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: song about is about you allowing you to make that difference.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: And I want to say thank you that part. Thank
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: you on that part. Now let's get back to Green
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Leave before we wrap up here, because it's two episodes
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: were little, little little assessment on me about Green Leap,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: strong female characters and I'm talking to pastor because she
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: wants to be a pastor. You know that go now
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: pastor charity agreeing that's what she wants to be. Not
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: everybody need to know that she is fighting to be
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: seen for who she is despite anyone else's thought or
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: feelings about her. That who that I felt that character is.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: And then you have other dynamic characters who play a
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: different role, like Rochelle and Tarra about the house. And
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: so when I look at it, because when I had
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: land on the show, I said, you know, rarely do
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: you see shows like this, whether we have male characters,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: but this show is really about females and their perspective
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: and their role that they play in the dominance that
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: they have in our world today. And that that really
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: that really drove home to me. The journey to your characters.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: You know, you have to, like I had to pull
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: your spirit up and be able to deal with you know,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: the male female relationships. There's the sister brother relationship, but
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: also the relationship and have this character become a what
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: it is today. Because I love the character I've always
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  Speaker 1: mistakes in my life and so and I have to
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  Speaker 1: now because you you deal with in the real life too,
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  Speaker 1: because in your name and so so that's why when
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  Speaker 1: I when I see that open, looked at you. She
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  Speaker 1: you know, this was a very relatable story from the
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  Speaker 1: standpoint of you know, it's gospel. Okay, you're famous. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna have you over the choir. You can sing.
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  Speaker 1: So so this character has been brilliantly designed for you.
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  Speaker 1: It's not the it's not you know you said, it's
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• 53:38
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  Speaker 1: a talited girl. You atality. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate that it and you should receive this as well.
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  Speaker 1: That moment last night when all three of you guys
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  Speaker 1: if you want to call it. That, Jacob and y'all,
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  Speaker 1: that was that was unique to me because I think
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  Speaker 1: for me in the series, that was the that was
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  Speaker 1: the journey you all came to realize that mom is flawed,
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  Speaker 1: so we can relax. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And that's where
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  Speaker 1: we were able to really see each other for who
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• 54:42
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. So and now we have a different
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: we have we have two episodes left. I'm not asking
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  Speaker 1: you real anything. Rashawn knows the show, okay, I know.
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  Speaker 1: I know Sophia knows. She and put the little the
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  Speaker 1: about that. I know about the little board, the little son.
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  Speaker 1: what does where do you fall in all of this,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: my dear, As we go to the Finches line August level,
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  Speaker 1: I think, I think what you find is that the
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  Speaker 1: family will recognize for the first time in all these years,
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  Speaker 1: that they are much better to gether thank you than
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: they are with their own separate ideas and circumstances and desires.
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  Speaker 1: They are better together. They come back together, They come
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  Speaker 1: back to the foundation of who they are. They come
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  Speaker 1: for God, and and that's the way to to move forward.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that that is the beauty of how
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  Speaker 1: um we kind of complete this journey. Family understands that
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  Speaker 1: family is first. Right now, to understand, you have another
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  Speaker 1: I do. I'm actually here filming now, Come on, I
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  Speaker 1: told you, told your blesses were coming. I told you,
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  Speaker 1: I told you you did, you did and have to
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  Speaker 1: see it. Um, you know it's it's really really amazing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not allowed to talk about it problem, but I'm
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: super grateful as an amazing cast, amazing director and UH
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  Speaker 1: something very very different from charity. So I'm super excited
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  Speaker 1: you can definitely act, you stay in the course you
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• 57:13
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• 57:16
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• 58:26
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• 58:28
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• 58:31
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• 58:33
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• 58:54
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  Speaker 1: Huh Yeah, I'm I'm appreciative. You know. I I was
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  Speaker 1: it was. It was beautiful. You know a lot of
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  Speaker 1: times in in this industry you've got to audition and
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  Speaker 1: do things and and uh, you know, it's it's beautiful
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  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, I've been blessed to have
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  Speaker 1: the second season. Wow, that's really good. Important because I
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  Speaker 1: twenties episodes and over after three because I stay uncertainty
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  Speaker 1: of this business. And how how have you mentally been
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  Speaker 1: able to deal with that over the years? Darn well?
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  Speaker 1: You know I learned, as I said, very early on,
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  Speaker 1: talked about that all the time. And so when you
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  Speaker 1: you know, do what I was told to do, which
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  Speaker 1: the process of money. Money is a currency and needs
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  Speaker 1: incredibly important, not throwing away money, but blessing the right
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  Speaker 1: people where it becomes a seed that gets planted and rooted,
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  Speaker 1: are spiritual in this thought, you know what I'm talking about,
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  Speaker 1: that way, that way, you don't have to be of
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: those who are who are just surviving, but you could
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  Speaker 1: be thriving because of things that you have done that
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  Speaker 1: speak for you in the past. It's really amazing when
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  Speaker 1: I look at the you know when I say amazing,
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  Speaker 1: I mean when we were younger. You know, we we
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  Speaker 1: don't see it. We don't even we're just doing it.
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  Speaker 1: We're just doing it. As you get older, you know,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: the opportunity to get less and less because that we're
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: getting old in Hollywood does to you. And you appreciate
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: the moments that you get, but you really get that
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  Speaker 1: moment from your resume or your body of work. That's
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  Speaker 1: why it's important relationships that you cultivated, going on set
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: to being a professional, being showing up on time, being dependable.
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  Speaker 1: That's what really what we're talking about on this call
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• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: the quality of respect and the professionals is what's keeping
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: you in the business along with your talents. But some
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: type talents could be usurved because of ignorance. That's right.
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  Speaker 1: Talented will only take you so far. I mean you,
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  Speaker 1: you know, along the years. And one of the things
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• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: great work ethic. You also have to have great relationships
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  Speaker 1: that you consistently build. In this industry, you know, they're
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: the same, each one teach one, maybe we can reach one.
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  Speaker 1: And what we know um in this universe is the
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: constant is change. People are changing from high positions all
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: the time, you know, ceo CEOs of company are always interchanging.
• 1:08:58
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• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: mind developing is very important because nothing stays the same.
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• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: you know, overseves a post to sending an email which
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: gets in you know, a person's uh inbox in a nanosecond.
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  Speaker 1: So you you you've got to consistently grow in society
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: and growing. You have to grow mentally, physically, spiritual, Well
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: not physically, but you know you have to grow mentally
• 1:09:36
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• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: today's market space. And and it takes cultivation and relationships
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: in order to do that. Well, you know, it's really
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: important that you say that. And it also talks about
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: understanding multiple strains of income. And that's why that's why
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: you brought up to dancing. He was acting, dancing, other opportunities, modeling,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: all kinds of things that keep that check flowing. And
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: now you're moving to another line of being an entrepreneur
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  Speaker 1: in the in the clothing line area. Talked to us
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  Speaker 1: about that and why was it important to to go
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: in that direction with your career with your brain, Well,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: you know, sustainability is incredibly important and um, you know,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: when it comes to housing, you know, investment properties are important. Um,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: reinvestment of the money that you had, right, because inflation happens. Right.
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  Speaker 1: It costs more for a local bread today than it
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  Speaker 1: did five years ago. Of course, more for milk today
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: than it did five years ago, and cost more for
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: water today than it did five years ago. And so
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: sustainability is incredibly important. And so one of the things
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  Speaker 1: that I realized was UM. And this came after a
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: very close friend of mine, UM experienced a death in
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: the family, a suicide, and it was because of UM,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: you know, them not being able to handle levels of
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: difficulty and just stress and and and unfortunately she committed suicide.
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  Speaker 1: And I said, man, I've got to do something now.
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  Speaker 1: People know that I speak, you know, long and strong.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: I speak you know, for companies UM doing their brand
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: marketing campaigns. I speak in colleges, university's HBC used. But
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: one of the things that I said is I can't
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  Speaker 1: be everywhere at one time, which is why I started
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  Speaker 1: to offer books. But then I thought, man, you know,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: people love wearing shirts that have things on them. So
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: I came up with an idea. I was blessed with
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: this idea of being a billboard for God. And I said,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: I want to be a billboard for God. So I
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: named the company God's Billboard T shirts, and so I
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  Speaker 1: created God's Billboard T shirts. One of the T shirts
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  Speaker 1: said I Am more than enough and I approved this
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  Speaker 1: message the other because people need to know that they're
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: more than enough. You don't. You don't need anybody to
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  Speaker 1: say you're you're validated. And when I thought about yeah,
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  Speaker 1: when I thought about that, I was like, oh, here
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  Speaker 1: it is. I'm already validated by the most Time. I
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: don't need your approval. And so that's another T shirt.
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  Speaker 1: So I am more than enough. I approved this message.
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  Speaker 1: I am validated by the most high I don't need
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  Speaker 1: your approval. Is my other T shirt. One of the
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  Speaker 1: other T shirts says, I'm a spiritual warrior. I cite
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  Speaker 1: my battles through prayer, you see. So be a T
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  Speaker 1: power words. That's what we call the empower words, right,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: that empower you? And it was it was interesting. I
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: heard this lady one time. This guy was talking to
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: this woman and he was like, well, well, sister, tell
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  Speaker 1: me how old you are. She said, you know, you
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: never asked a woman's age, And I thought, I said,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: you know what, yeah, or their way and I said,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, good things take time, so don't ask
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  Speaker 1: my age. That's another T shirt that I have, and
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: women loved that T shirt, and I just thought, I've
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: heard women over the say, you know, a gentleman never
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  Speaker 1: a woman at the age, and so I created the
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: shirt that says, good things take time, so don't ask
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  Speaker 1: my age. So God's Billboard T shirt is about being
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: a billboard or God and about being empowered. And so
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  Speaker 1: you let your shirts do the talking and so people know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when when you speak, you put your brain
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  Speaker 1: on display. So I just thought, sometimes we don't want
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  Speaker 1: to have to say anything, so we can let our
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: shirts do the talking. So that's what we do at
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• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: be speaking to you, you know, after so many years
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: of us knowing each other. Absolutely, But let's let's get
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: back to let's let's get back to the show where
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  Speaker 1: you are. Let me say, let me see sexy, good looking. Fine,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: that's what all the women be saying. You know, tough,
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  Speaker 1: a killer, smart. Um my man, I'll tell you the
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: family business. Now you play Orlando Duncan. Uh have a
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: have a degree in chemistry? Correct? Okay? Um? Well, suddenly
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: after the c the second season, now see you when
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: your clothes? Now are you picking out all your clothes? Yeah?
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: You know we we we have a great um fashion
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: and costume designer on the show, A Dreaming and a Dreaming.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: I had a conversation about the second season and what
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: we wanted to do is you know Duncan's are very
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: wealthy family, that's very astute family, very well respected family
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: and um and you know Orlando has a a style.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: You know, we always see him with his toothpick and
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: we always see I ask you about that. We talked
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: about that too, y uh. And we see him with
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: these with these you know beats that he wears these
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: precious stones around his neck. We always see him in that.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: And so that is that is something that I wanted
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: to bring to the table for the character because of
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: certain awarenesses that are gonna unfold during the season. And
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: and and so we talked about the second season and
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: clothing because you know, you get more money, and we know,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: more money, more problems. But at the same time, as
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: you know, he's not a flashy dude, but he's a
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: very confident dude. And so the second season, we just
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: decided to you know, style them up a little bit
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: more and make him a little bit fresh, uh and cleaner.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: And I think that the Adrena has done a great
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: job doing that. It's called my eye because Steve premiere episode,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: the premier episode, the suit jacket you had on was
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: one of my suits, one of my material right there,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: so I know she I know where she got that from.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: Then you had that fur coat on, that furkle that
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: half fur caught on. Then you had that yellow jacket Man,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: that was cool yellow jacket. Then you had that orange jacket. Man.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: All I know is man that I knew they stepped
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: up because I saw the first season and I came
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: back and that's the first thing I got to ask,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: darn man, your clothing, you know, is outstanding. It fits
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: your brand, it fits the it. It's the killer and
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: the sexy guy that you are because you're not trying
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: to look like you trying to. But I expect that
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: to be you. You feel me exactly. Orlando is is
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: a diversified man. And as I said, you know, when
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: he walked into a room, you know, all eyes turned
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: to him, and and that's really what it's about. You know,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: when he shows up, he's making a statement. So every
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: time he makes a move, if you remember when he
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: wore the jacket the fur his father else, he said,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: what is that? He says, it's my coat, he says,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: but what is it? He said, Yeah, but I look
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: good and it's all right, you know what I mean.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: So it's like he can do that, yeah, you know,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: and he said, he said, yeah, you're the boss, and
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, you're right, I am the boss. And
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: so you know, he does things the way he wants,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: and you know he always walks with his protection in
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: case anybody wants to act up or act out. And so,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: you know, Orlando is the cats that he's quiet, but
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: he's always aware of his surroundings, what he's doing, where
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: he's going, and the things that he can't control. You know,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: he makes sure that he puts himself in a position
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: to overstand um what he must do next, which always
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: good he has. I'm talking to Darren d Watson. He
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: has a show on u mc uh the streaming right now,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: already been renewed called Double Cross, but we're talking about
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: this new series that's airing right now on BT Plus.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: It's called The Family Business. He's a member of the
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: Duncan family, which is a powerful family that rides through
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: Duncan Motors. That's what everybody says. It's exotic cards. But
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: at night they got a sister. Where you got we
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: got London, you got pairs their sisters. Then you got Sasha,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: she's the niece. Oh my god, the sexiness is great.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: But before we get into those characters, how did you
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: get the opportunity to get this role? Darren Duncan. Yeah,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: it's it's amazing because Tri Deestine Films actually UH produces
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: the show. And and you know I have a relationship
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: with Endi and Trey and Bellonica and and UH. And
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: you know, I remember I created this vision board. You know,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: as as I said, Darren dew with Henson is a
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: man who likes to evolve. Darren dew with Henton is
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: a man who likes to grow and diversify. And I
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: remember one day sitting down and I said, I need
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: to create a new vision board. So I sat down
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: and I wrote out this vision board, and I thought
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: about people that I wanted to work with, and um,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: you know, I had a bunch of different names on
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: the vision board and it was it was amazing because
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: I wrote Armanda Santy on my vision board. He did
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: this movie years ago called Mambo King and UH with
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: Anthonio Vendetta. I said, I loved that film, that film,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: and so I put Armanda Santy on my vision board
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: one of the people I put on my vision board
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: to work with. About three weeks later, I get a
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: call from Andy Brown. She said, brother, I got something
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: for you. I said, talk to me. Andy. She said,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: you know we're working with car Weether. We did it
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: there with car Weeb for all of his book, and
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: we're gonna be shooting a movie for family Business, and
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: we want you to play the son of Ernie Hudson.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: And I said, come on, I said, stopped playing with me?
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: And she said no, she said, and she explained about
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: the exotic car business and of course the underground business.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: And I said, Andy, send me the script. I want
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: to read it. I said, but based upon what you
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: what you're saying, I can almost tell you you know
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. This is something I'm gonna love to do.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: I said, tell me who else is involved? She said,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: get this out of mind Asante. I said, come on, man,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: and see. So that's why it's important to write down
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: your vision and make it plain, because the law of
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: attraction is very, very real. Man. When I got the script,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: I've read it. I mean, you you just don't say no.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: It's like the Bill Washington being given the American Gangster script,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: like you just don't say no. And when I got
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: this script, I read it. I called her back the
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: next day and I said, I'm in. And so immediately
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: it was Ernie Huston, Valley Pediford, Amanda Sante. You know
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: and and the rest of the cat and I became
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: Orlando Duncan when the contracts were signed and the history
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: of the family business, uh and call Webbers the family
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: Business Tried Destined had begun. And then of course b
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: Et picked it up as a series because we were
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: shooting it for a movie, but b Et fell in
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: love with it and said, no, we want this as
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: our series. And then when b Et signed it in
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: the Family Business premiered, it became like the super Bowl
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: Champs for b Et. Man. I'm just telling you that. Uh,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: you know, I've I've watched the series grow from the
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: first episode. I watched the characters developed, and I could
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: see the more the money being invested into the series
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: reason all that stuff. You know. Listen, the two things
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: I really like about this series some of the things
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: that you guys have dropped into this series that I
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: don't normal to see. I love that NASCAR diversity episode.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. I thought that was small and very time
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: to talk about that. Yeah, it's genius. It's it's again
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: it's the mind of car Webber and bringing NASCAR into it.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: You know, NASCAR now as black drivers, so why not
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: acknowledge NASCAR and and their diversity program, and that's exactly
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: what we talked about on the show. You know, diversification
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: is incredibly important and UM, so they brought that in
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: which which also brings a much larger audience in you know,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: Nascar is huge and UM. And and to speak about
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: the genius of Car Webber. As you can see, we
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: also have Latino players on the show. UM. You know
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: Yadi Rivera who plays consweller Mario Rivera is on the show.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We got Luke, we got
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: Luski um on the show. People know from Soul Train,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: who's killing um. You know his his his role as
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: signor cruise UM. You know who's now in a wheelchair. UM.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: It's just you know, it's diversification on the show. You know,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: it's a diversified um. UM A lot on the show,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: actors on the show, and it appears to everybody. You know,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: the first season we had you know, Asian people on
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: the show. And so you know Carl Webber and his mind,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: um and his genius um in writing UM, and then
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: Trey Haley's directing is just it really just goes hand
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: in hand with the genius that we know to be
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: the family business, and it's all held together by you know,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: our super producer, you know, and by Brown, you know. Yeah,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: And and then then another thing that I noticed about
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: the series was the use of the Nation of Islam
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: type style the brothers. Yeah, that I've never seen that,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: I've never seen like this in a series, And I
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: thought that was very uniquely put in there and style
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: and poignedly placed. Talk about that. Yeah, well, we have
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: two different types of brothers on the show. We have
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: the um with all due respect, with all due respect,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: we have you know, the type UM that we see
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: on the show, Um, which we call um Um brother minister,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: who represents a similar type of similar type Nation of Islam.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: And then you have the extremists Um that in the
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: Trench Ye brother he in the Trench character who's you know,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: just extreme and and street and you know, jail written
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: and vigilantes, which is completely different from the representation of
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: the brother brother minister, who's the peaceful, organized um you know,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: you know, type of Muslim UM. And you know, so
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: that is more of a Nation of Islam type that
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: he represents. And you can see that even Orlando took
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: instruction and was under he's always take that advice and
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: has served him well all over the years. Absolutely, and
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: we can see the chemists. He's educated. You know, he's
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: a man of respect and honor. So we can see that,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: you know, show on the show. Wow, you know, I
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: want to get a little bit deeper into this. Uh
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: as you know, I'm a fan of the show. As
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: you can tell, I'm talking to uh Darrend what with
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: excuse me, donk ted the d with I apolize there.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: But on the family business, let's talk about you know
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: some of the people I love on this. You got
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: Tretch on the show, Lisa Ray on the show, My
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: boy got killed with Clifton Pole on the show. Valerie Pettiford,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: she's on the playing the Mama Charlotte on the show.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: Just just what of course, Ernie Hudson being the LC
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: and my boy Michael John White, he's in jail, he
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: plays Vegas. Just just just a great, great talent. Man,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: it's just out there. And Parish I think she just
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: got cast as the new batwoman for CW. And so
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: you know they're stealing talent from the show. Now what
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's amazing. You know, tri Deestin has done
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: such a great job by bringing you know, people together.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: You know, Michael John White and I are very closely
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: like brothers in real life, so he was a perfect
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: pick to play my brother um Vegas in the show.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: And then of course Patrearch Ernie Hudson and Matriarch Valley
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: Pediford are just I mean, value and Ernie together um
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: as as husband and wife on the show are just.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think it just gets any better. And when
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: when when she kicked Sanya at the house man about waiting,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: I was I was saying, I don't know if he
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: watched these other scenes, but boy, that's about the coldest
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: seed I've seen a woman dude on TV to another woman.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: We've already voted her as an Emmy winner as far
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: as we're concerned, I swear to you that see right there,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: she should get an Emmy. Walled him right, she said,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: We're we're done here, We're done with the Valerie battle. Dude,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: that that says right there, I gotta get on the
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: show to talk about that scene that right there alone, Valley,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: because because for the show, the reason it works is
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: a family show. We all live in the same house,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: y'all know, y'all deal, you're dealing with danger, we know.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: And the thing I like about it, usually you see
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  Speaker 1: the white series, make this happen, make it work like this,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: And to see a black series accomplished what we see
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: all TV all the time, like the Sopranos and all
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: the Godfather shows that are touchable shows, all these shows,
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: and to see it being manipulated so well and being
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: articulated and bring credibility because I'm telling you, brother, you
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: know when they dropped six episodes, I think the last
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: second I watched them, I watched them, okay, and waiting
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: for seven whenever that comes out. I don't know when
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: that's dropping, but they need to hurry up because your
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: boy when waiting. Look, we look, we're waiting to get
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: back to work. But I gotta tell you when we
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: were on set, well she did that. Seeing the whole
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: set was quiet, Valerie, it was like, yeah, it was
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: like every everybody. Everybody moved and walked away because it
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: was like no body was getting their hub when she
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: had that knife in her hand, because everybody felt it. Man,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: let me tell you, she made everybody walk out that house.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you that right now. And so that's
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: what you get on the Family Business. You get people
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: who come to work, You get people who come to play,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: you get people who come to lay it down. The
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: Duncans ain't playing. Nobody came to to to to to
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: fall asleep. We came to put into the work and
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: to create legacy on the show. And you know, I
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: was telling somebody this the other day. I said, you know,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: lightning has struck, you know, twice for me when it
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: comes to family shows. You know, first I was blessed
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: to get Soulfuls, and now I'm on the Family Business,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: which is which is the strong, beautiful, charismatic not to
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: be messed with family. Lightning has truly struck twice for me,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: and so for me it's something that I really again,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: I'm incredibly proud of to work with these actors. You know,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: we got Tammy on the show, we got Michael. Let's
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: talk about let's talk about the right quick old Tammy's
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: character because I like what you guys did with her
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: character because in the in the pilot episode, Harris hit her.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: You know, so I thought she's gonna play an abusive woman,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: but the new season, she's not taking that stuff. I
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: like the fact, they made her strong because like they said,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: like Junior said, before there was Paris, there was London.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: She's a duncan. She was, She's a dunk and that
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: could only go on for so long. And you see,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: she had a out of marital affair. Um and but
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: we got to see what happened when that happened. You know,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: she she had an out of matter affair. But then
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: look what happened. Look who he was. See what I'm saying.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: So then yeah, so that that that was a lesson
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: for her too, like don't don't step out of your marriage.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: What you ain't gonna mess with me? Man, act like
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know your show? Brother? Okay, every day hey man?
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: And I got to man because I was supporting this. Man,
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: I'm supporting this. I just when I said, I when
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: I you know, like I said, I'm busy a lot,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: and I saw these problems. Said it's my boy, Hey there,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I said, we gotta get him on
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: the show. I said, hey, hey, find him. I got
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: to talk to him. This show on fire. When Uncle
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: Lou died, you know, Lisa, the loss of blood? How
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: when when when Valerie came over there and snatched off
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: our head. I'll tell you something, Sasha. You know the
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: reason I like these characters. You guys are busy, not
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: just on family business, but y'all working on other episodes
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: like The Young Lady and Sasha, she's on failor Affair,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: which is on Netflix. You know so so I love
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: the fact, man, I just wanted to bring on the show,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: not just one time, because I've always been a fan.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: I'm just my life in the point now where I
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: can support people that I love. My brand is big
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: now where people can come to me. I can have
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: them promote their brand and promote product that they want
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: to get out there in the streets into the general
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: public on social media. And I just want to take
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: your time and say thank you, man, because you give
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: me a show that I enjoy that I look forward
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: to seeing. You. Know, you're looking good. You are particularly,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: your hairline is tight, your muscles are right, your clothes
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: on fire. And Valerie, I gotta get here on the
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: show because I'm telling that scene right there when she
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: was cutting that salary, brother, we threw him. Huh. We're
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: gonna make that happen. We're do here uber out side, huh.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know what she's saying, we done, we done here.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: I have to back what you say outside. Huh. Let
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: me tell you something. We call her mama all day long.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: Due Mama. And I love the way y'all because the
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: first season her character wasn't as dominant as the second sea.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: I just love the way they've all flushed out the
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: women to be strong girl for the second season. All
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: of them are playing. They have a voice. That's why
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: I love what they did. Tammy. She's not taking her smack,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: she's slapping the hair. She's worried about eating the food,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: worried about sleeping. He might at shot. He don't. He's
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: tippatouring around there. Because I didn't like that, I went, man,
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  Speaker 1: he can't. We can't do this man, not in the
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  Speaker 1: I mean we're going to the third two minutes. May.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want to teake you this long, brother, but
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: I wanted to just talk to you. Man. We won't.
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  Speaker 1: Ain't nothing good to get edited. Don't worry about that.
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  Speaker 1: D so we can promote your stuff and tell Valerie
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  Speaker 1: I gotta get her on my show, man. I know
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: these characters? Do I know these characters? I watch your
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: show Family Business BT plus. Appreciate you and we're gonna
• 1:33:55
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  Speaker 1: fish again, Running Green? How are you doing, Rochelle? And
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  Speaker 1: I'm told A loted to be on the show man,
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  Speaker 1: it is awesome to be here. Well, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: really good. Let's just the whole concept of fishing. I
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  Speaker 1: you know, I come from the Inner City and the Houston,
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  Speaker 1: Texas Fifth Ward and my dad used to take me
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  Speaker 1: cane fishing. Cane. That's what you're doing. Cane pole and
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  Speaker 1: had a little cork and dropped that bad boy in there,
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  Speaker 1: and and you move it a little bit and watch
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  Speaker 1: that bad bad cork sunk. You know, you had a
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  Speaker 1: fish and you can pull it real fast. And that
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  Speaker 1: bad boy on the bank, I mean, I mean that
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  Speaker 1: that's a cane pole fishing right there. That's big time.
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  Speaker 1: I did the perch, I did the small man small
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  Speaker 1: uh baths, a large small bath and I'm horrible catfish
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  Speaker 1: boy man. And you know, you don't know what you
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  Speaker 1: don't know until you actually started fishing it with other people.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the premise behind our show is that's where
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  Speaker 1: I learned my uh provating fishing from my great grandmother.
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  Speaker 1: What's the interesting about it, Restaanda, is she was a
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  Speaker 1: fisherwoman that was at a whole different level. And I
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  Speaker 1: fished my dad initially, and he just wanted to spend
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  Speaker 1: time with his boys, and he really wasn't a outible fishing,
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  Speaker 1: didn't have the passion, but she had the passion. But
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  Speaker 1: what was interesting is I learned so much about her
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  Speaker 1: life and our family history just by spending quality time
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  Speaker 1: with her, which nobody wanted to do because the theF
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  Speaker 1: fishing was boring. So I've come back with all these
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  Speaker 1: history and adults all the time said, hey, did you
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  Speaker 1: know this about Grandpa so and so and Paul Paul
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  Speaker 1: and Da Da da, And they were like, well, you
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  Speaker 1: learn all that fishing with granny after we call her.
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  Speaker 1: And so the fishing story was born with my great grandmother.
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  Speaker 1: And she's smiling right now that that's that's really interesting
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: because you know it was when I was out there,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: because you came by my house in Atlanta and we
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: sat down with man and and uh and I have
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  Speaker 1: a small little pond lake on my backyard is fully stocked.
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  Speaker 1: And you asked me, he said, how's the fishing. That's
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  Speaker 1: the great fish out there. But I never went out
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  Speaker 1: there myself because I'm a cane pole guy. I got
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  Speaker 1: the I got you know that, I got the I
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  Speaker 1: you said, what's going out there? See what you could
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  Speaker 1: do and the battle, you know, and see what you
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  Speaker 1: can do and shout with the fishing. But really raw
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  Speaker 1: you got these ky posed stories. And and when I
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  Speaker 1: went out that, man, the relaxation part of it was amazing,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because I just go down there and just
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  Speaker 1: sit on my rock and watch the waters. The memos,
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  Speaker 1: and the frogs and the little the little bugs hopping
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: around on the water, the little ripple that calms me.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I have that property, just calms me. But
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: the fact that I was just casting out there, it
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  Speaker 1: really took me to a different level of serenity. I'd
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  Speaker 1: like to believe in my mind emotionally talk about that
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: whole experience and why it is so so so calm
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: and to fish. Well. The thing is is most people
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: have never been able to quantify a lot of physicians
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: and psychologists and therapists try to understand that there's something
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  Speaker 1: special about it. As a matter of fact, the Veteran's
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  Speaker 1: Administration has gone to a level to where they are
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  Speaker 1: recognizing it is helpful for veterans with PTSD. And one
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  Speaker 1: of the things that I explained to people is, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't try to get too deep, but I said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if you think about it, what is our
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  Speaker 1: body made up of a lot of water? So I
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  Speaker 1: feel like every time that I'm around water, where there's
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  Speaker 1: saltwater or fresh water, there's a kindred ship to where
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  Speaker 1: I came from or what I relate to. So I
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  Speaker 1: feel like that there is no data officially and that's
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: what they're doing, is they're doing their extended study about
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: it and actually trying to establish a documented reason. But
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, based on my life's experience what I
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  Speaker 1: best UH data in the world, because I feel like
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  Speaker 1: that our body is made up of a lot of water,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: and so when you go and you're actually around saltwater
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: or freshwater, there's sometime for Kindred ship, you're close to it.
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  Speaker 1: So it's something about it. We still will never probably
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  Speaker 1: understand it, even though they do the studies, and you
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  Speaker 1: know what, Rashaan, Sometimes some things just shouldn't be understood.
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  Speaker 1: We just know it has a positive effect on us.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: And so that's kind of the way I feel about it,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: because every time I'm having a long week, sometimes my
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: wife will even encouraged me. I think you need to
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: go fishing right right right, you know, And it's it's
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: crazy because of the fact that's a crazy in a
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: good way, because of the fact that you know, I'm
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: looking at this water and I I know it relaxes me.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: And then I had another gift of being able to
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: equally relax me, relax me, and just keep my mind active,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: you know, because that's relaxed. That's what That's what I
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  Speaker 1: learned from you when you came out there and you
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  Speaker 1: you just you just turn. You gave me another turn
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: to the process, you know, because you know our brains, man,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: it just flows. It just flows. It just flows, you know,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: from bills to controversy, to issues to parent into two
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  Speaker 1: mobiles and jobs and and so out there. It pushed
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: all that to the to the to the back, and
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: all I was worried about was that how far I
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: can get that that hook god net water, you know,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: and getting it back fast enough. And so I didn't
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: think about nothing else but that that little one to
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: punch that I was dealing. And when I snagged one,
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: you saw big. I was smiling when I was then
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: and they returned it to the water, you know, and
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: released it back out. That was that was like a
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: really three sixty for me as far as the the
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: whole process of what you're talking about when it comes
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: to you know, the meditation party beings in an environment
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: that will calm you, and that's what I think that
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: they're saying. It pushes back all that noise that could
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: be in your brain. And that's that's that's important. That's important.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: And you know what, Rashaan, that that gets to the
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: show as well, because when we do the show on
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: the water. One of the things that people know that
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: when they watched the show, there's something that has never
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: been done on this particular type of show, especially in
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: the fishing industry, is there is a release of emotions
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: that occurs. What I mean by that is we have
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: people that get extremely emotional and there's even a reputation.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: People give me a hard telling about it. I'm not
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: going to cry on your show. But it's not something
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: that we script. There's nothing you can script about it,
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: but something about it. Your soul relaxed and relieve and
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: all the stresses go away. And then it also purges
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: your soul, so to speak. And at the end of
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: the day, there's that release of emotion that is natural
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: and organic. Hence you have a organic show where people
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: are telling their life stories on the water and that
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: whole connection thing again. Right, Okay, I'm talking to Ronnie Green.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: He's just the host of Official Story with Ronnie Green.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: I gotta ask a question to everybody, probably ask How
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: does the black man get in the professional efficient game?
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: How does black man getting the profession the fishing game?
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: Because we know it's a white industry. How did you
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: do that? And there's some more anglers as well, who
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: African Americans, let's talk about you. Yeah, So how I
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: started where, I'm a former officer in United States Marine
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: Corps simple five and then also after the Marine Corps,
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: I was also a corporate citizens what I would consider
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: you know, I was a sales manager in the medical
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: device business, Pagemaker's de fibulators, the whole nine yards, so
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: the clinical aspect, you know. And then way prior to that,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: I was also a former All American sprinters. So those
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: life experiences helped me and shape me. But all along
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: with all those things I've accomplished in life, my great
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: grandmother helped me to learn that always keeps us in
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: the back of your pocket. This is your therapy. So
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: I would go through life and always fish and do things.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: And then after my mother passed away and two thousand seven,
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: my kids were old enough to graduate from high school
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: and did their thing and on the college, and I
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: said that was my time, uh, and it's my focus
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: about me at the end of the day, I started
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: fishing some tournaments and it was also therapeutic. How do
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: you get the tournament? That would you just anybody can
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: just fishing the tournament or you just pay a fee?
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: How does that work? Yes, and that's a great question.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: And what happens is you pay a fee and uh,
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: you can. So it might be an entry fee of
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: a few thousand dollars and it might be a hundred
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: eighty anglers. What you want to do is hone your
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: skills up before you get to that level. So what
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: I did is I actually fished in a tournament. I
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: signed up as a co angler first, and what that
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: is is the person that's on the boat and you
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: with the stranger, but you're not running the boat. You're
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: in someone else's boat and you're coing, are competing against
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: other co anglers. So I was very successful in that.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: Then I graduated to the front of the boat because yeah, okay,
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: what did to be good at being a co angler?
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: What did you have to do as far as catching?
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: Is the size? Is the amount? Is it a time window?
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: What is that? That's a great question as well. So
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: what it is is with at eight hour period, you
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: have to catch the largest five fish you can catch,
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: and that's the whole objective. And as a co angler
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: you also have to think and be strategic as well,
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: because the person in the front of the boat has
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: first opportunity of a fish that's probably more aggressive to
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: catch that fish. So you're fishing behind them, you're getting
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: the leftover. So you've got to have a counter bait
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be just as good, but may not be
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: the exact same bait as the primary angler you're fishing with.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: And so I was very successful at that. And uh again,
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: when you go to the stage, you are competing against
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: other co anglers, and so your weight counts against all
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: the other co anglers and uh, I've won a lot
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: of money and a lot of tournaments and uh doing
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: that and then moved on to the front of the
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: boat and that is so exciting. And there was only
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: just so you know, in the fishing industry, I can
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: count on my hand for African American people that are
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: fishing professionally for a living. That's Brian Latimer, Mark Daniels
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: ISAs Monroe and then myself who was also on TV.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: So it is a very difficult sport because the business
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: model was similar to NASCAR. And so what that means
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: is you have to have sponsors. And Mercury, I saw
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: Ranger Boats and I saw Bass Pro Shops. Absolutely, so
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: Bass Pro Shops is one of the most influential and
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: the most powerful in the industry. And I am fortunate
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: enough to be with Bass Pro Shops. Mercury Marine incredible
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: engine uh company here in America that does a great job.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: And what I love about Mercury is they are one
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: of the most diverse companies that I've ever seen. Their
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: way far ahead than what I've seen most companies. And
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: and I love that about Mercury. And then Gary on
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: Momotal custom Bates um, they are incredible as well. So
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: they've all been supportive and you know, they've been there
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: with me from day one, and I can appreciate it.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: And we wouldn't be able to bring a lot of
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: good content without them. And uh and so so how
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: does one get a sponsor. I'm just going through some
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: steps here. Just let everybody know because you're such a
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: unique feel You're African American. We we all know like
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: NASCAR is a white dominated sport and and so that
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: means I don't know if every environment you go in
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: as a comfortable environment. But just talk about your experience
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: overall in the fishing industry in the beginning and that
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: so in the beginning of course, just like anything, when
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: people think you have a TV show, Uh, people are
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: just gonna pass out sponsorships because you're on TV and
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: wrong answer. That is not the way it works. So
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: what they do is they will watch you and quite honestly,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: it's a high risk and some of them are still
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: trying to learn, uh, to deal with African American um.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: A lot of them have never been exposed. I want
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: to say a lot, but quite a few has it.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: I've been exposed to African American culture. So you have
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: what I call a cognitive dissidence of what you see.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: You see this poloshy African American person who is patriotic
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: as well and in the marine corps um, but yet
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: and steal your belief system based on what you've seen
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: and heard. Is not recognizing what you see and there
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: is a cognitive dissident, so you're fighting gets yourself. So
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: ultimately that leads to sometimes not getting a sponsorship. But
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: the folks that are always progressive in their thinking in
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: the sense of not necessarily affiliated with a political party,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: but more so just understanding that we all want to
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: sell more products. They will find a way to bring
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: on the best in the business that do what they do,
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: and hence that's how I've been able to get an opportunity.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: Now I got Amazon Prime, so I can so I
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: can see you on Amazon Prime all seasons that the
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: first three seasons, and we've had some more content come
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: in that direction. I probably a three additional UH episode
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: or seasons coming within the next I think too much
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: sod half hour. You have one guest, you have regular people, celebrities, politicians, athletes.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: Who who who's on the boat with you when you're fishing.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: That's a great question, Rashan, and we see whoever has
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: an incredible UH story. Typically you'll see entertainers, athletes everyday.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: People will like veterans, firefighters, politicians, um, and just people
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: like you and I that you don't want to do
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: some fishing, but they have a great story. We had
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: recently UH Dr Hammond. She's a psychologist. Now that's the
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: interesting thing. She's never fished before in her life. We
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: had one of the best fishing days I've had on
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: the show with her, and we were fishing with artificial.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: Why is that important because artificial is a very difficult
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: bait to fish wood if you've never done artificial. Live
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: bait is easy because that's for leman young to the fish.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: They can eat that easy. But artificial has to mimic
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: something live and you gotta make it come alive. She
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: was a fast learner and we caught literally close to
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: a hundred fish trout on a given day. That's never
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: happened before. It was just fast and furious. But my
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: point is simply this, anyone that has a story, we
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: will find the accommodations for fishing style that actually is
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: caters to the level of fishing ability they have. Well,
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: guess what I think Bibe was at her level? Will
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: you bet me in my backyard. You know you got
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: the equipment, but you having it was skilled. So so,
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: but I think that helps with somebody, and just women
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: in general, more curious and more patients were men. We stand.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: They want to like just burst down the door and
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: I got this, I got this, I got this. So
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: you know, there's no as he being noisy fish here.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: You know, hey, man, if you don't shut up, okay,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: fishing here vibrations in the wall. Oh what really? Yes, yes, yes,
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: fish heat is a quiet spot. Okay, it's not a
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: football game, not basketball. I just want to let you
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: know you're not you know, holla at the baseball fish.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: You know you don't do that fishing. Okay, you know
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about, Why would
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: I get fish when you keep screaming like that, we
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: won't get in there. Let you know that I don't know.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: I'm telling the truth. You are telling it like you know.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: And I can apprepiate that because my dad used to
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: be that way with us. He's like, you you know,
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: fish that he is there. Hey, hey, hey, hey, don't
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: go there, young man. Don't go there. You know the
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: fish you can swim knock time. So the essentials are
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: going out there and fishing. Do you have to have
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: your off mosquito repellent when you go out there? Where
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: you gotta have you got? Here's what's so interesting is
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: you have to have some probably not as much mosquito
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: repellent as you think. And in Florida this is a
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: mosquito mecca. And I think the steroids big. But what
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: I do is I fished in the daytime. What my
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: my actual sense is is sunscreen. Yes, I have melanin
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: in my skin. I'm an African American. But sunscreen is
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: so important because you can get some I've seen some
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: African American skin cancer and I'm like, I don't think
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: that's supposed to happen. But what happens is it's all
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: about education. So definitely have the sunscreen. That's the first
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: thing I do, uh, is make sure the sun screens on,
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: so I greased up a little bit. Then I also
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: make sure you have the appropriate gear. If you never
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: fish before, probably want to have a spinning rod. And
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: what a spinning rod is. It has a bail on
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: it and it has the elongated um eyes that come
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: off the rod. And it's a lot easier to learn
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: with a spinning rod than a baitcaster. Baycaster gets you
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: in trouble if you've never thrown it before, but a
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: spinning rod is so important and a lot of people
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: still fish with it even though they may how to
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: may know how to throw a bay caster, so it's
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: it's a good place to start. And then I like
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: to have some good fishing line. I like to throw
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: floor carbon versus monofilament, then what's the difference. Monofilament is
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: a little bit more stretchy and it can be seen.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: But the floor carbon we practiced the light reflect the lights,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: so you can't see it underwater. Why is that important
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: because the fish can't see it as well. In addition,
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: it does not have stretched So if it doesn't have stretch,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: once you get a bite, you pull on that thing
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: you're pulling the fish mono has a little stretch. So
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: those are all little important things. And people have little
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: uh idiosyncrasy that they use with fishing. And then some
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: people even have superstitions. Some people don't believe in having
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: bananas in the boat. I'm sorry, I'm gonna eat whenever
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: I'm home, and I eat whatever I want to eat. So,
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: you know, there's all sorts of superstitions with fishing. But
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: then there's also a lot of information about fishing that
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: people didn't know that I didn't learn. I didn't learn
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: about George Snyder until probably about seven or eight years ago.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: He was a person that created the first reel made
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: in America in nine and eighteen twenty. He was African
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: America and he created the first reel. Nobody knew that
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: people who ask questions like, man, I'm so glad to
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: see African Americans fishing, stop right there. African Americans with
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: some of the first to fish always And isn't isn't
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: it the problem we have right now that history they
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: always talking about counseling culture, that what the black culture
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: has always been canceled. Wow, that is a good point,
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: you know, because of the fact that because we're about
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: to transition to into your two parts series of difficult discussion.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: Because of the fact that when I look at our president,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: you know, quick to sign uh executive orders to protect
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: the Confederate statues, okay, and then turn around and say
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: that Black Lives Matter is a hate group and and
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: not understanding their the the the the accomplishments we had.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: That's why when Drew Brees said his father's fought in
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: the war and his grandfather saw in the war, because
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: in his mind he's never been educated the black people
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: fought and anything, because the history is not there. You know,
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: the history doesn't write us in like that. And now
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: you know we we we they brought us over, they
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: freed us. Okay. Then it moved up to to uh,
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: the I have a dream speech. Then it moved up
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: to the civil rights and after that, brother, you know,
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: we didn't do anything else but stay on welfare, sale
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: crack and raised the crime rate according to the population
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: that wants to push that narrative. And so when I
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: hear you talk about eighteen twin in a black man
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: created the first really fishing rod, I'm not stunned because,
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: as you all know, black people were creative because basically
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: we're out there doing the work anyway. So if you're
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: doing the work, you're gonna figure out how to do
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: it faster and easier and more convenient. That's why we
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: created the cotton gym. Okay, now, but you put together
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: this this two parts here is called the difficult Discussion.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: As I saw both episodes, it was three black men,
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: two white men. Tell us how you selected the five
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: and tell us how the whole scenario, the whole scenario started.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: Because it really was cool where you did it, because
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: you still kept the fishing aspect into the episode wrapped
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: around this conversation, which I really enjoyed. I didn't I
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: didn't know what to expect, but when I got that, went,
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: oh this is this is I wouldn't say they're nice.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: But it was enjoyable because I wasn't I wasn't taken
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: out of the whole reason why I watched the show.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: But I was able to hear on this conversation from
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: men having the difficult conversations because even though the conversation
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: flowed away flow, some statements will held back a little bit,
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: but a lot of honesty was at least transmitted. Talk
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: to us about it right quick running. Yeah, So what
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: we did is we took some folks that have been
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: on my show already, everyone that was in the panel
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: because I fished with him before. Um, we had them
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: on the show, and I've called several other folks and
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: not everybody was comfortable. So I was okay with that.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: So I took the folks that were available, and uh,
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: we had some folks even fly in just to be
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: a part of it. Because when a lot has gone
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: on in our country over the last few months, Uh,
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: there's been a lot of conversation and talking to friends
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: and family and then talking to even the guys that
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: were on the show. Before we even got on the show,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: there was a lot of different dialogue and conversation about
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: I said, well, whyn't we bring it to a place
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: I said, where it's my lane. And what I mean
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: by my lane. I'm not gonna try to walk into
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: a surgeon's offense and try to become a surgeon just
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: because I want to. I'm not gonna try to be
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: a politician because I feel like I'm a politician, but
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about honest issues from the platform
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: that I have. And so we brought everybody on and
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: we talked about the difficult discussions. Uh with the show.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: It's starting off being just one show, but after all
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: the content was done and CBS Sports agreed we need
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: to have two shows through episodes and uh, we we
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: got into some deep areaus Colin Kaepernick, we got into
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: you know, all of the folks being killed, you know
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: in the streets my police. Uh, and then we talked
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  Speaker 1: about a little bit of everything. But at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day, we actually established the ground rus. And
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  Speaker 1: there was a ground rus that I established, uh, just
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  Speaker 1: based on my interaction with folks and me and my
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  Speaker 1: wife sit down to talk about it is belief system,
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  Speaker 1: because that's where everything starts. And so we define what
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  Speaker 1: a belief system is. And then we actually built on
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  Speaker 1: belief system by moving to narrative, because the narrative is
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  Speaker 1: an account of what you see, sometimes infused with the
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  Speaker 1: belief system, which we all agree the belief system comes
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  Speaker 1: from our parents or pair of figures. So at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the day we talked about all those issues
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  Speaker 1: and always being able, being able to refer back to
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  Speaker 1: belief system and narrative. So just because you see a
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  Speaker 1: certain thing doesn't mean that it's exactly what you see.
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  Speaker 1: But it's easy to ride to train when you feel
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  Speaker 1: like your emotions are stirred. Case in point is calling
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  Speaker 1: kaepinet not talking about the the the important fixed factor
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  Speaker 1: in it is he sat down on his on his bottom,
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  Speaker 1: you know, at first, and then UH talked to and
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  Speaker 1: consulted Sergeant Boyer, who was a long snapper on the
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  Speaker 1: San Francisco forty, and he said, I agree with what
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  Speaker 1: you're doing, but it might be a little bit more respectful.
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  Speaker 1: You can do whatever you want, but I would recommend
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  Speaker 1: you take a knee. He said, well, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a knee because he wanted to take
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  Speaker 1: a peaceful stance. But the message the narrative was missed
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  Speaker 1: because he was doing it to actually bring attention to
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  Speaker 1: what we are dealing with right now, which is African
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  Speaker 1: American people are being assassinated in the streets by people
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  Speaker 1: of authority that are paid to protect and serve. So
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  Speaker 1: that was the issue. But the narrative was splipped, and
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  Speaker 1: I talked about historically, and we couldn't put everything into
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: the episode. We had to depend on the editor and
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  Speaker 1: I had to be a part of that process as well,
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  Speaker 1: but we had to put what we could get in
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the day. Historically, if you look
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  Speaker 1: at Muhammad Ali, if you look at the folks in Olympics,
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  Speaker 1: if you look at any entertainer, yes, sir, it takes
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  Speaker 1: a stand about something simple that is unrest that has
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  Speaker 1: to do with us. The narratives can be flipped because
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  Speaker 1: it's so easy to flip a narrative because you want
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  Speaker 1: to stop the momentum. The momentum is what you want
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  Speaker 1: to stop. So what you do is find a way
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  Speaker 1: to give a counternetter and I talked about even Martin
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  Speaker 1: Luther King. There was always a counter narrative with him,
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  Speaker 1: but we celebrate him as a hero, American hero. We
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  Speaker 1: have a holiday dedicated to it. But there was so
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  Speaker 1: many more in our country. That looked like me. But again, narratives. So, uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's interesting no matter what we do, in some instances,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes the narratives can be flipped. And it's because there
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  Speaker 1: is always a counter current trying to say, hey, we
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  Speaker 1: don't want to give that credit because we don't want
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  Speaker 1: to give the ability for someone to actually change their
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  Speaker 1: belief system. Because if you change the belief system, then
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: people believe that there's other people that did some others,
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  Speaker 1: they things in this country. That that's the that's the
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  Speaker 1: key right there, giving credit, giving the recognition, you know,
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  Speaker 1: acknowledging that we did not share properly the history of
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  Speaker 1: African Americans in our school books. Uh, that's what we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about with you know, when you when you walk
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  Speaker 1: around here and you're saluting uh statues that of the Confederacy,
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  Speaker 1: and and then you hear the word trader thrown out there.
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  Speaker 1: A lot they were traders. They fought against the against them,
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  Speaker 1: they try to divide this country. But we're saluting them
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  Speaker 1: as heroes. But we don't salute our accomplishments throughout the community,
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: you know. And so what we what we try to do,
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  Speaker 1: and so so what I was looking at the two parter.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I thought it was informative, it was humorous,
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  Speaker 1: you know a little what the little chubby guy name,
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  Speaker 1: he was funny man, he was funny. He thought. I
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  Speaker 1: spent a good, under good conversation away and and I
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  Speaker 1: love for the conversation about you can disagree with the
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  Speaker 1: African Americans, but but all you're you're not a racist.
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  Speaker 1: And that's that's what the conversation we're trying to get
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: to is they talk to me. Don't as just talk
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  Speaker 1: to me, Just talk And that's what that was my
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: big takeaway from watching your show with like, just talk
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  Speaker 1: to me, and I get you there, but but if
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  Speaker 1: you just assume something about me, and that's that's where
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  Speaker 1: we all turned the wround corner. When you when you
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  Speaker 1: lock your doors and I walked by, you know, when
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: you when you nervously walked past me, or when the
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  Speaker 1: cop that a white person will never understand. I gotta said,
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: like this, that is different when a a cops stops
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  Speaker 1: a white person and an emotion that they feel when
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: a cops stops a black person, way different, way different, Yes, sir,
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  Speaker 1: because I said this and I talked about it in
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: in the very First stepisode that was your first stop
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  Speaker 1: my experience. Yeah, yeah, you're the white passenger and he
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  Speaker 1: took you out, you know what I'm saying, and brought
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  Speaker 1: you to the rack and the white passenger like what's
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  Speaker 1: going on? Hey? Hey, And that's that's really that's really
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  Speaker 1: where we had in our lives right now. Man, to
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  Speaker 1: see that. Uh, first of all, you know, for you
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  Speaker 1: to do that for your show, because you're gonna reach
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: a totally different audience, audience very you know, Fisherman. We're
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: not saying that they pretty conservative. They kind of rural
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  Speaker 1: minded individuals who needed to see that conversation also from
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  Speaker 1: some people who are courageous enough that we're white to
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  Speaker 1: sit down and have this conversation, because that's how we're
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: gonna win. Man. That that's that's that's how the flag
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: comes down at NASCAR. Man, that's how we're gonna remove
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 1: some of these statues. He's gonna want to remove them,
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 1: all these Confederate statues and walk around and realize that
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: I have value And that's all you told me in
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  Speaker 1: your show man, right. I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 1: doing that, Man, for you realize what motivates you to
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  Speaker 1: do that about your show? To do that bring that
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  Speaker 1: to your show. Well, well, I think a lot of
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  Speaker 1: my motivation is again, I always believe that with everything
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: going on, make no mistakes about it, I have emotion
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  Speaker 1: like anybody else, and I get upset and I but
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  Speaker 1: I always feel like you gotta stay in your lane,
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: so use your platform. So my wife is a position
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  Speaker 1: and where she does what she does that work as
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  Speaker 1: a physician, and she can do what she does at
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  Speaker 1: her platform. But I felt like I was not granted
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  Speaker 1: and getted this platform just to sit on it and
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  Speaker 1: feel comfortable. That's a problem. You cannot always feel comfortable.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: You gotta get uncomfortable to make change. And that's the
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: history of America is You've got to do something that
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: makes you uncomfortable and that causes growth, not just for you,
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: but everybody around you. So I felt like I'm gonna
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 1: do it as fair and as possible by having a dialogue.
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 1: And again, people are gonna see it because a lot
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: of folks have never been exposed to it. So at
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, now they see a model here.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: Now we've got a best practice. So when people see
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  Speaker 1: a model, they may be able to replicate that behavior
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: in a different environment. Cool writing, thank you for I
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  Speaker 1: can see this episode on Amazon Prime right now, Amazon
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  Speaker 1: Prime Video. Uh, it will be coming. And as a
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: matter of fact, we have and you'll hear it first
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: on your show. Is We're gonna have an actual airing
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: on on on YouTube as well, especially of both episodes,
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  Speaker 1: people don't have cable medies. Absolutely, I want to thank
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  Speaker 1: you my friend Ronnie Green. Gotta come back to the
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  Speaker 1: for coming on Money Making Conversations Ronnie Green, Thank you, sir. Alright.
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