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E66: Matt Fradd on Purpose, Podcasting, and Burning Out · The Lila Rose Show

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  So how do you approach being an interviewer?
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  I try to be interested in who I'm talking to.
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  I've definitely been burned where I've done a podcast and I
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  came off like a the giant idiot that I am and then people just
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  scorched me and it was brutal. What do you want to be long term
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  with your show? Like I I frequently struggle
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  with whether or not I should be doing it.
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  Like I would like to quit. And then other days I feel like
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  why would I be so ungrateful to myself after having done all
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  this work? I would like to be someone who
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  wants to be a good husband and a good father to my children and
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  I, and I want to be the kind of man who like, focuses on them
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  first. So I'm actually going to be
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  taking a sabbatical soon. Wow.
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  Maybe for about 6 months. Wow.
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  Hey guys, welcome back to the Lila Rose Podcast.
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  All right, first of all, I have to thank all of you so much for
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  your support of this show because we just hit 100,000
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  subscribers on YouTube. Very exciting.
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  Thank you for making that possible.
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  A lot of you are listening on the podcast app, so thank you
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  for subscribing wherever you get your podcasts, but many of you
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  also listen or watch on YouTube. So thank you so much.
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  It's been a very fun 6-7 months doing this and I'm really
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  excited for the future. I am learning a lot as we go
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  about podcasting. I am learning a lot about
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  interviews and the kind of content that we want to create.
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  Ultimately, I'm very excited to keep going and I believe that
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  there's so much more to explore for today's episode is going to
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  be with Matt Frad. He's a Repeat Now guest to the
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  podcast we had him on a few weeks ago with his lovely wife
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  Cameron. Her podcast is among the lilies.
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  His is Pints with Aquinas. We've got a lot of Pints with
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  Aquinas fans who also listen to this channel.
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  Matt's doing amazing work over at Pints with Aquinas on
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  YouTube, so go check it out. Matt is an author, he's a
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  speaker and he's of course a podcaster.
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  And in this episode, we really got into the art of podcasting,
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  Matt's exerience growing his channel over the last several
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  years, how he approaches interviewing, how he approaches
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  the topics of philosophy and theology on his show.
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  goodranchers.com. Matt Frad, welcome back to the
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  podcast. Thank.
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  You very much. It's good to be here again.
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  We've been talking a lot today. I spent a couple hours going
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  strong. So if we seem exhausted, it's
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  not because we're bored, it's because we're exhausted.
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  This is going to be the best podcast of all the podcasts.
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  No, I can't beat the one with Cameron in it.
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  That was pretty good. That was pretty good.
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  I love your wife. Yeah, she's really.
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  Special Yeah, she is pretty amazing.
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  OK, so for those who don't know you, you're Matt Fred of the Met
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  of the Pints with the Coinus podcast.
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  That's correct. All right, so people, my
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  audience know, I'm sure many of them know, is Pints with the
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  Coinus maybe. Yeah, yeah.
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  Or now they're going to know about it.
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  But you're basically the Catholic Joe Rogan.
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  People say that. Why do you think they say that?
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  I don't know. Do other people say that?
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  I thought that was my idea. I think it's because I stole the
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  idea. Actually, no, that's here, John
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  in the studio here. I think that was his idea.
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  Well, I do long form discussions and I like them a lot.
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  I'm nowhere near as good an interviewer as Joe Rogan is, but
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  I think he does an excellent, excellent job letting people
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  talk and pushing back where he doesn't necessarily agree and
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  trying to understand things. And he doesn't pretend to know
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  things that he doesn't know. You know what I mean?
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  And so I like those things about him.
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  So you've interviewed me twice on your podcast.
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  That's right. And you told me the last time I
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  went out there in studio, he told me.
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  I don't know if this is true. I'm going to ask you right now.
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  Yeah. That you don't prep for your
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  interviews. You don't have any interview
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  questions prepped. I never have any.
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  And you just went for it. Yeah.
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  And you actually asked me in that interview.
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  What should I ask you? I think what I meant when I
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  asked guests like is I, I said, is there anything you want me to
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  ask you? What I mean is like general
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  themes that you want to talk about that will make.
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  For my thing. It really is.
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  No, it really is. No, I never come up with
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  questions beforehand. No, I don't think.
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  We've never done that once. I'm trying to think honestly,
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  no, I think there's times I've had higher profile interviews
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  like with Dennis Prager and I thought, I've got to say this,
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  I've got to ask this so. For my interview that was, I'm
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  so sorry there was not for any prep.
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  Well, I I guess, but Dennis Prager, he got it.
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  That's fair. It's OK.
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  Dennis Prager is, you know, I think.
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  It was more than it was adversarial.
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  I knew I thought it was going to be.
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  So I had to know what kind of things do I want to ask?
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  That was more it and. Then because you had that
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  disagreement about lost and product, be OK.
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  And that was really funny. I went on Ben Shapiro's show and
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  I had my elbows up and I was ready.
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  I didn't know if you. Prepped.
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  I prepped. I look so weird in that because
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  my my my producer put up the screen for me to watch Ben
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  Shapiro while I was talking to him.
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  But if I was watching him, I needed to be looking in the
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  camera. So he ended up turning it
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  around. So I'm talking to him, not
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  seeing his facial expressions, not seeing when he's smirking,
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  and I'm just looking deadpan and angry into the camera.
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  I was, I was, I thought he, I thought he was going to take
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  Prager's side and I was going to have to go to battle.
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  And me fighting Ben Shapiro intellectually would be like me
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  physically fighting Joe Rogan. I would not stand a chance.
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  So I was a little nervous. But he sided with you in the
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  end. He did.
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  What was he siding with you about?
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  We he it was about lust within marriage and whether it's OK.
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  And the last question I ask him is have I changed your mind?
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  And people can go and watch that episode to see if he did.
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  And your position was that lust within marriage is wrong?
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  Yes, lust is a sin, so it's always wrong.
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  And how do you define lust? Lust is reducing a person to
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  their sexual value. People have sexual value, but
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  when we sort of isolate it from the person, treat them merely as
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  a means to an end, that this isn't how we should be treating
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  people. So what I like about your show
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  is that it's all based on Thomas Aquinas.
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  It really is the genius. OK, Well, no.
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  Well, OK. Oh, it's not anymore.
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  Circle back. Then, well, but but when I say
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  that is you started from let's get these basic truths about
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  philosophy and natural law out there and talk about interesting
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  things. But now you're saying we don't
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  just talk. I mean, I, yeah, of course you
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  don't talk about it. But it was founded on, it's
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  called Pines with the clients. It was founded on that.
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  It's definitely evolved so that it it's more just long form
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  discussions about faith and philosophy and you.
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  Don't want to be pigeonholed into.
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  No, it's just about I don't have the intellectual stanima or
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  depth to to be talking on Aquinas full time.
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  So I have people on who can do that.
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  I see that's a good tack to take have.
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  Other people do the work. There you go.
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  Like you don't ask your own questions.
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  I asked my own questions. One day we'll use AI and you'll
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  just be talking to someone in a green suit.
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  You know, I will admit for an interview, I'm not going to say
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  which person it was, but we did go to the little AI box and put
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  in their name and we said what questions should we ask?
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  I just was partly curious. They were fantastic questions.
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  I can't even say I I remembered them or asked them.
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  Well. If I had, it probably would have
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  been a better interview. It was scary how impressive it
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  was. How many years have you been
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  doing pints with Aquinas? Well, as far as interviews or as
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  it started in 2016, OK, but then it morphed.
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  So then I was doing that. Seven years.
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  Where I would, yeah, I was doing episodes where I just focused on
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  an article of the Suma, which is like something Thomas Aquinas
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  wrote. And then I started wanting to do
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  interviews, long form interviews, and I didn't want to
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  muddy what Pints with Aquinas was, so I called it something
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  different. It was called the Matt Frad
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  Show, very original. And then it was like, this is
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  weird. I've got 2 podcasts, the Matt
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  Frad Show, Pints with Aquinas, and yet a lot of the time I'm
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  talking about Aquinas or the Catholic faith anyway, you know
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  what, I'm just going to call everything Pints with Aquinas.
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  And so that's kind of part of how it evolved into what it is
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  today. So you don't think it's the Matt
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  Frad show is original? Well, I not really know.
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  Is the Lila Rose podcast. Oh my gosh this is just mad.
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  Fred just ripping into Lila Rose constantly.
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  I will say I felt a little better when I learned that Pines
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  with Aquinas has been around since 2014 because we are a new
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  podcast and I look up to you, Matt, as an older brother in the
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  faith, the wise beard of the, you know, Catholic conservative
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  Christian podcasting movement and we are following slowly in
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  your footsteps. I hope one day to have a mug on
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  my show that I can sell for a locals membership.
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  Sure. Yeah, it's working well for me.
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  How is that working for you? What bet, locals?
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  And the mug. You have a really cool Tumblr.
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  So. When is it a Tumblr?
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  No, it's a mug. It's a very beautiful beer Stein
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  that that really you could buy for $30 and you'd be impressed.
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  Like it's a handmade beautiful beer Stein.
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  If people sign up to get it on your locals account on the show,
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  can I get a gut event? Well, they can't.
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  Anymore but you I'll send you a they're sold out but.
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  No, you cannot have a car. We it was.
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  That was a joke by the. Way I know we did a promo month,
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  it was the last month we gave them away wow, but.
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  But so you're saying you designed this beautiful mug and
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  that helps you build subscriptions for the?
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  I think that whenever people encounter something like some
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  kind of product, some kind of service, you either get what you
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  expected less or more. And I really want people to get
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  more. And that's and that sounds
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  that's that would be part of my advice to people who are selling
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  a podcast. It's like give people what you
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  would want to be given. So on locals, and this is not a
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  long sales pitch for locals, but since you wanted to talk about
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  how podcasts can be successful, I guess we have we have.
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  Oh God. You're clearly, since you're
• 10:21
  clearly struggling with yours. Yeah, yes.
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  I was like you're the. One who told me you wanted me to
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  talk about this. No, I do.
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  I do, I really do. We need it.
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  We need the help, right guys? We do.
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  We really actually need. We're, we're growing this
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  podcast. It's a new project and you are
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  here to help. But why do you want to grow it?
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  Because I want to reach more people with GTP, goodness,
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  truth, beauty. I really, I really do.
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  And the reason I've been fighting the abortion fight this
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  is, I know you're interviewing me now, but I was been fighting
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  the abortion fight for since I was a teenager, right?
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  And the reason we have abortion is because so many people are so
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  broken down and so confused about all the muck and the chaos
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  of the culture. And so if we can just share the
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  goodness of relationships and the beauty of, you know, family
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  and the beauty of just like learning health mentally and
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  physically and spirituality, everything.
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  Anti whatever podcast. Yeah, it's what we need.
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  Yeah, it's a no. It's a pro.
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  Well, it's a pro podcast. We're the pro podcasts.
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  No but it's a anti whatever podcast.
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  Oh an anti whatever podcast? That that that podcast seems to
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  be. Promoted.
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  OK. Yeah, I mean.
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  That's beautiful. Good for you.
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  Yeah, but that's I think your project too.
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  I mean, you're. Yeah, I don't know.
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  I just really like doing it. I like doing it too.
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  Like, you know, like sometimes you sometimes you come up with
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  reasons that sound, I'm not saying you did this, but
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  sometimes you come up with reasons that sound really good
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  to people. But then you're like, well,
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  what? That is true, of course, but
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  like, why do I actually do it? Like I really like talking to
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  people and I like talking to interesting people and I like
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  learning from people. So that's why I continue to do
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  it. And having a wide variety of
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  guests with different interests and different personalities, I
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  really that really suits my personality because I tend to
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  get bored very, very quickly. Same.
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  I do too. Yeah.
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  No, but I did the same thing because I thought and and I
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  think this is a way to think about people say what's my
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  purpose? This is I know I'm going serious
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  when we were joking around. So all right, let's just go
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  serious. Really quick.
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  Really quick. So you can think what are my
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  gifts and my talents? What do I enjoy doing?
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  And then what does the world need?
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  And so I thought, I do enjoy doing this.
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  It's easy, it's fun. Maybe I have some talent for it,
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  but you know, I'm not sure yet. We're working on that.
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  And then the last piece is the world needs, I think more GB
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  type goodness, truth, beauty stuff out there.
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  Is that my podcast? I'm still figuring that out.
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  We're working on it, you know, but it's fun.
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  It's fun. It's.
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  Cool to figure stuff out, like it's cool to grow as an
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  interviewer, mess up, regret certain interviews you did
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  because people said things that you wish they didn't, and then
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  you published it and got heat for it.
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  Like this is all part of it. It's part of the growing
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  process. So how do you approach being an
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  interviewer? I try to be interested in who
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  I'm talking to, so and I try not to think about what I want to
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  say while they're speaking, even if that means there's a bit of
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  dead air after they speak, because I hadn't thought of what
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  to say. Like I would rather that.
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  That's great. That's very.
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  Good. Right on cue.
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  So if you think of something while they're talking, you let
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  it go if. It's important, I might write it
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  down. OK.
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  But you know, when you're talking to someone and you get
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  the sense that they're just waiting for you to stop talking
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  so they can unleash another set of wisdom upon you.
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  And it's annoying. So I, I want to be interested
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  and I try to ask the questions that actually interest me.
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  So I, I, I don't know if this is right or not, but I think to
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  myself, if I just have this conversation for my benefit, not
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  care about anybody else, it'll end up benefiting other people.
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  But if I tailor it in such a way that it's helpful for everybody,
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  it'll end up being bland and as interesting as dentist art or
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  that. What is dentist art on the
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  dentist's wall? Yeah, just boring.
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  Who cares? Yeah, that crap you get up
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  there, it's just yes, that, yes, that thing.
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  I've just pointed at it. You're like, who the heck knows?
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  It is. I mean, if someone, a guest who
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  watches the show, wants to create original art for the
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  background, I will find the. Upset it's a big pint for the
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  Grand Beer style, yeah. On the.
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  Wall No, I mean, or it's like another example would be hotel
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  advertising. You know, you get into an
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  elevator at a hotel and there's this big advertising link for
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  the hotel. It's in the it's intended
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  purpose is to appeal to everybody, right?
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  The last thing they want to do is offend or marginalized
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  anybody at all, and consequently it interests nobody.
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  So I my advice for myself and for you and for other
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  interviewers is just to be big goofy, awkward you and let
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  people get upset in the comments section and care more about the
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  people around you who know what you want and have them correct
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  you, them criticize you, them encourage you, and forget the
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  comments section. That's really good advice.
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  Yeah, it is. Have you always done that?
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  No, I've definitely been burned where I've done a podcast and I
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  came off like a the giant idiot that I am.
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  And then people just scorched me and it was brutal.
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  I wish I could say like I wish I had like the temperament of Matt
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  Walsh, who probably just would go fishing and have a whiskey,
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  but instead I'm like, Oh my God, what am I going to do?
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  I don't I didn't cry, but like I was really upset about it.
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  And when that happened once it was a pretty big thing.
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  I, I don't want to get into the, the specifics of it, but because
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  other people are involved, but I, I put my laptop and phone
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  away for the weekend and just didn't.
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  And I just, I think I emerged like a phoenix from the ashes,
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  much thicker skin. So I don't care really if people
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  are upset in the way I used to. So you can't tell me what
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  podcast that was. Yeah, I don't want to the worst
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  ever I. Don't want to get into the
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  people? Not the So was it the problem
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  was in the podcast, the person you were interviewing there was
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  an issue. Me.
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  It was them. What?
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  Were you doing, what were you doing in that podcast that made
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  it the worst? Podcast I'm not, I'm not.
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  I don't want to get into it because it'll it'll there's
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  things I said, things I didn't say, things I should have said
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  but forgot to. Podcast it was Lila Rose.
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  It was just a train wreck. So I don't I don't want to say
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  no, it was it wasn't just there's multiple different
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  things, you know, and we don't like.
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  It's like we're not you think of it on a given day, how many
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  people come up to you and say you suck?
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  Like and here's why. On YouTube or in real?
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  Life on YouTube, it's all the time in real life, like we're
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  not ready for this, you know? And so I think that people who
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  are doing it well just choose not to care.
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  Like, and I remember Tucker Carlson being asked about that
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  dead face. He does, you know how he does
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  that face in interviews. And he brought up that point if
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  he was concerned what other people thought, it would drive
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  him neurotic. So he just doesn't care.
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  And Joe Rogan doesn't read comments.
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  And it seems like the people who are doing a good job and
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  remaining sane just aren't interested in what you know,
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  whoever some burner account says about them on YouTube.
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  So what do you? What do you want to be long term
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  with your show, with your mission?
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  Are you just kind of enjoying the ride or do you have you're a
• 16:56
  choleric melancholic, right? Other way around.
• 16:59
  Sorry, you're a melancholic choleric and usually those
• 17:01
  people are very driven and specific.
• 17:04
  Yeah, I don't know. I, I, I have no plan.
• 17:08
  I have no five year plan. I have no overarching goal.
• 17:13
  I would like to be someone who wants to be a good husband and a
• 17:17
  good father to my children and I and I want to be the kind of man
• 17:20
  who like, focuses on them first, you know, and, and tries to be a
• 17:25
  St. I want to pray every day.
• 17:27
  I want to, I want to, I want to walk the walk.
• 17:29
  I, I don't want to waste my time listening to news media when I
• 17:32
  could be reading scripture and the lives of the Saints.
• 17:35
  That's what that's who I want to be.
• 17:36
  I want to have more naps. I want to have a nap every day.
• 17:40
  I want to get rid of my smartphone eventually.
• 17:42
  I want to have a cigar every morning.
• 17:44
  In the morning. Oh, every morning, Yeah.
• 17:46
  Love it. Yeah, it's my favorite time and
• 17:49
  I just. I want to be good to.
• 17:50
  My breakfast cereal. I don't eat breakfast, so I just
• 17:52
  have black coffee and cigars. Yeah, Yep.
• 17:56
  And yeah, so. And as far as the podcast, I
• 18:00
  don't know. Is that healthy?
• 18:02
  I don't. I don't care that much, but I,
• 18:04
  I, I want to, I don't know, I might cut like I, I frequently
• 18:11
  struggle with whether or not I should be doing it.
• 18:13
  Like I would like to quit many days and then other days I feel
• 18:16
  like, why would I be so ungrateful to myself after
• 18:19
  having done all this work? Like if I gave you or you pints
• 18:22
  with Aquinas, not you, because you have your own thing and
• 18:25
  you're busy enough. But if I just gave some random
• 18:26
  person without a job, here's my podcast and here's the revenue
• 18:30
  and here's what I'm doing. And they acted as ungrateful as
• 18:33
  I do to to myself for all the work I'd be up.
• 18:36
  I'd be like with the where's the gratitude?
• 18:38
  So I think, you know, we have to be.
• 18:39
  I'm grateful. I'm I'm, I have put in a lot of
• 18:42
  work and I am proud of what it is in many respects.
• 18:46
  But I do often think like, what's the off ramp?
• 18:48
  How do I get off of this thing? Is that because it's stressful
• 18:50
  for you sometimes or why it's? Not stressful.
• 18:53
  Why? Why do you?
• 18:54
  Why are you even? Thinking of an off ramp, I get
• 18:56
  pretty overwhelmed by modern technology and I have to live in
• 18:59
  that world and I don't know how to balance it I'm so that's why.
• 19:06
  And what does that mean? That means you're looking at the
• 19:08
  YouTube channel and you don't want to be looking at it.
• 19:11
  Emails, correspondence, you know, feeding the machine, even
• 19:17
  things like, you know, YouTube where you got a gig.
• 19:19
  I got to get those videos up or else the algorithm will dip.
• 19:21
  And if the algorithm dips, then you'll get less of this.
• 19:23
  And I just that that bothers me. I don't want to be someone who's
• 19:27
  concerned about that. So I'm actually going to be
• 19:29
  taking a sabbatical soon. Wow.
• 19:33
  Maybe for about 6 months. Wow.
• 19:34
  And so if I do that, it looks like I'm going to, if I do that,
• 19:37
  then I'm pre recording episodes now, but I'm also going to be
• 19:41
  hiring somebody who's going to be fantastic, way better than me
• 19:44
  to sit in my seat and host interviews.
• 19:47
  And then we'll see how that goes.
• 19:50
  When does that start? Well, it might not happen, I
• 19:53
  don't want to claim it will, but January or mid January?
• 19:56
  February. What are you going to do for
• 19:58
  your six months? I so this is all tentative so
• 20:01
  nobody hold me to this place. I've been asked to teach in
• 20:04
  Austria at at Franciscans University in Garming.
• 20:08
  So I might be Co teaching some philosophy courses and might I
• 20:11
  might take my family to do that. If it's not that, it'll be
• 20:14
  something else. That sounds amazing.
• 20:17
  Have you been to Austria before? No.
• 20:20
  What does Cam think about that? Well, I think we're open to
• 20:25
  what's best for our family, and so she's very much open to it as
• 20:30
  well. Do you feel burnt out?
• 20:33
  I frequently vacillate between feeling burnt out and feeling
• 20:37
  completely exhilarated. Are you burnt out of the feel?
• 20:42
  Yelling. I don't, I don't think I'm burnt
• 20:44
  out. I, I don't do a lot.
• 20:47
  I probably do more than I think you probably do more than you
• 20:49
  think. I think like I think I, I'm very
• 20:51
  entrepreneurial. I love doing things.
• 20:54
  Like I have a whole Catholic lofi YouTube channel that I'm
• 20:57
  constantly building up. I have stupid horror stories I
• 21:00
  write with my sister as a whole. That's a whole other podcast.
• 21:03
  I just, I love creating things and doing things.
• 21:06
  I get a lot of energy from that so.
• 21:10
  But you get a lot of energy from that.
• 21:12
  But it sounds like it's also maybe it's stress isn't the
• 21:15
  right word, but it also takes a lot out of you.
• 21:19
  Does it, doesn't it? Doesn't it take a lot out of
• 21:21
  everybody? Like we shouldn't be living with
• 21:23
  phones and e-mail and text messages, I don't think.
• 21:25
  So why would you even consider the six month sabbatical?
• 21:28
  But yes, because I find myself frequently overwhelmed by modern
• 21:31
  technology. I see, and I find that when I
• 21:34
  detach from that right. So for the last several years,
• 21:36
  except this year, I've taken all of August off of the Internet.
• 21:40
  Dave Rubin and I found out we were doing it at the same time.
• 21:42
  I don't think I heard about him doing it and he doesn't know
• 21:45
  what. He didn't know who I was at the
• 21:46
  time, so he certainly didn't do it because of me.
• 21:49
  But basically the end of July, I'd give my phone away and give
• 21:51
  my computers away, and I have no technology for the month and I
• 21:54
  just like that a lot. And so I would like to do more
• 21:57
  of that. So I don't know what that means
• 22:00
  being a YouTube. How, how do you, how does it
• 22:05
  look to be on YouTube and to also know that YouTube is maybe
• 22:09
  harming people? All the Internet, so much
• 22:13
  Internet, so much video media, social media.
• 22:16
  It's something I asked myself. I mean, I'm in the same.
• 22:18
  No, it's a, it's a good question.
• 22:19
  I mean, I, I've said in the past, don't listen to Pines with
• 22:22
  the Corners. Just go read.
• 22:24
  Go read a good book instead. You know, you'd be much better
• 22:26
  off. But then I've had some of my
• 22:28
  audience correct me and like, please don't say that.
• 22:30
  Like I came into the church because of your podcast.
• 22:32
  You have no idea how helpful this has been.
• 22:35
  Well, OK, well, thank you very much.
• 22:37
  So, but I think ideally, wouldn't that be a better life
• 22:42
  if you just walked around with your own thoughts in your head
• 22:44
  and prayed and read a book and you weren't glued to your
• 22:47
  screen? I will say when you.
• 22:48
  Didn't like, like when I go and work out, I'll work out like two
• 22:51
  or three times a week, sometimes more.
• 22:54
  It's not like CrossFit or anything.
• 22:56
  I go to the Y with the old Italian women, feel good about
• 23:00
  myself. But when I do that, I think
• 23:04
  sometimes I'm like, oh gosh, I'm out of battery on my earphones
• 23:07
  and I think, well, I can't work out.
• 23:08
  How am I going to work out without listening to music?
• 23:10
  It's like we've we've gotten to that.
• 23:12
  You know, I have to clean the kitchen, but I need a podcast.
• 23:15
  I don't want to. I don't want to be dependent on
• 23:18
  these sorts of things. You think?
• 23:19
  You think more people need silence?
• 23:21
  I think I'm very, I'm going to say something very praiseworthy
• 23:25
  about myself here that you can disagree with if you want.
• 23:28
  I think I'm feeling what everybody else should be
• 23:31
  feeling, and if they're not, they're wrong.
• 23:34
  I think that's what I think. They're feeling suffocated by
• 23:37
  the noise, yes. Yes.
• 23:40
  I do feel that way sometimes. Yes, everyone feels that way and
• 23:42
  they should feel that way. And if they don't feel that way,
• 23:44
  it's because they've killed their heart or they're in the
• 23:46
  process of poisoning it, like it's not natural.
• 23:51
  You know, these bloody phones, they have a little delivered
• 23:53
  sign, you know, you send a text to whoever and it says red and
• 23:58
  all. They now, and I know you can
• 23:59
  turn that off, but now they know you've read it and now you're
• 24:01
  waiting for a response. People text each other like
• 24:04
  they're speaking to. Each other in the same.
• 24:05
  Room. I know, I know you can, but a
• 24:07
  lot of people don't. And the whole point is to get
• 24:09
  you to respond quicker. It's like if I say to you how
• 24:12
  you doing and you don't say, yeah, pretty good.
• 24:14
  Within a short period of time, I'm like, something's wrong with
• 24:17
  you. We text that way to each other.
• 24:19
  I don't want to live like that. So I'm overwhelmed by that, not
• 24:23
  because there's something wrong with me, but because there's
• 24:25
  something wrong with modern technology.
• 24:27
  And we all have to realize that and just detach from the teat of
• 24:31
  Apple. Is there?
• 24:34
  Google. Is there a way to, should we
• 24:37
  try, do you think we should try to create a media apostolate
• 24:44
  empire sounds too, you know, I don't know, prideful.
• 24:48
  I don't know what it would sound too, but some sort of along the
• 24:52
  lines of what you're doing right?
• 24:54
  But to double down on that to reach people because there's so
• 24:57
  much nonsense out there. And again, back to what we were
• 24:59
  talking about earlier. And like people, you know, have
• 25:01
  been so impacted by your show. You know, people have come into
• 25:04
  the church. I know people who have been
• 25:05
  deeply impacted by your show and become Catholic because of pints
• 25:09
  with Aquinas, helping them along their journey.
• 25:12
  And obviously they were brought in through a priest and all
• 25:13
  this. But your show has been so
• 25:15
  instrumental for them and so clearly the Lord's using it.
• 25:19
  Do you think that if there was some combination of removing
• 25:24
  yourself from, you know, the city, so to speak, of noise,
• 25:28
  right? But then returning as the artist
• 25:30
  to contribute, but then having this really clear flow of I'm
• 25:34
  going to take the sabbatical. I'm going to turn off the
• 25:36
  lights, turn off the phones, whatever it is.
• 25:38
  But then I'm going to go intentionally create in this
• 25:40
  structure, kind of like a rhythm of creation that has a lot of
• 25:44
  order to it, but we haven't had historically because we have all
• 25:46
  this new technology. Sorry this is so long winded
• 25:49
  but. I love what you're saying.
• 25:51
  Do you think, do you think something like that has yet to
• 25:54
  be created? That if it were created, we
• 25:56
  could create a movement of people who are doing this, along
• 25:58
  with impacting many more souls. My fear is that the technology
• 26:03
  is quote UN quote, smarter than us.
• 26:05
  I don't mean that it's sentient or that it's actually smarter
• 26:07
  than us, but I mean that it hacks us in a way that we don't
• 26:10
  realize it hacks us. We like to think that we're the
• 26:14
  masters of these things, but we're, I think it's servants and
• 26:17
  the servants of Apple and these big corporations.
• 26:20
  And so I think we have to just acknowledge our dependence on
• 26:23
  these bloody things and and then act in a way that we think is
• 26:28
  best. I think it would be a good idea
• 26:31
  if I like, that's one of the things I've been doing for the
• 26:32
  last several years, right. All of August is off.
• 26:34
  That was a way that gave me some like tranquility and you know,
• 26:37
  and then some order throughout the year.
• 26:42
  Maybe I could create something individually where I take like a
• 26:45
  month, every other month off and I do other work, meaningful work
• 26:49
  that doesn't have to do with YouTube, but like YouTube and
• 26:52
  you'd probably realize this already having done this podcast
• 26:54
  for a while now. YouTube needs to make it as
• 26:57
  addictive for the creator as it does for the consumer.
• 27:00
  So all of that's beautiful stats and then the money that comes in
• 27:04
  through the clips and what works and helping you is all about
• 27:07
  keeping you hooked so. Have you been able to
• 27:12
  successfully bring in money just through YouTube without the
• 27:15
  other revenue streams? Because they seem.
• 27:18
  I mean I bring money in through YouTube but it wouldn't be
• 27:20
  enough. I got like 7 people who work for
• 27:22
  me in different capacities so. So you've got a a large team.
• 27:26
  I mean, yeah, I mean a. Large team.
• 27:28
  I guess I'm looking towards you. I mean, I'm sure there's
• 27:30
  podcasting. Some of them are part time too.
• 27:34
  Only two are full time really. And then different degrees of
• 27:38
  work. But so, yeah, if I if, if I, if
• 27:41
  I lost, I've lost everything else on the YouTube money, then
• 27:44
  I, I wouldn't be able to have people work for me.
• 27:47
  So I guess I don't make we could talk after about how much we
• 27:49
  make, but now. Just tell me now, all right?
• 27:51
  $15. $15.00 a month on YouTube? No as much.
• 27:55
  We're barely beating you. Yeah, so it's great, but I
• 27:58
  don't, I don't want to be subservient to it.
• 28:00
  And, and I just want to give a huge shout out to locals because
• 28:03
  I was with Patreon for the longest time.
• 28:06
  And then Patreon. Is it OK that we talk about
• 28:07
  this? Is this interesting?
• 28:08
  I I'm, it's interesting to me. Patreon started banning people,
• 28:11
  right? Really.
• 28:12
  Oh yeah, they started. Oh, banning creators?
• 28:14
  Yeah, of course. Moving their streams of income
• 28:18
  and that was when, if you remember, Jordan Peterson and
• 28:21
  Dave Rubin both had big accounts on Patreon and I think to their
• 28:24
  credit, both decided to pull the plug.
• 28:25
  They did a live stream. They deleted their accounts,
• 28:27
  losing a ton of money. And then Dave Rubin and some
• 28:31
  others helped create Locals. And with that, about a year
• 28:35
  later, the people at Locals were reaching out to me, trying to
• 28:37
  get me on their platform. And I just like whatever.
• 28:40
  It's just like another thing. People want something from you.
• 28:42
  They just want you to make money so they can make money.
• 28:45
  I, I, I'm not interested. So about it, I didn't want to
• 28:47
  confuse people. You got Patreon, you got locals,
• 28:49
  you got this thing. So I did nothing with it, but
• 28:52
  they were quite persistent and I started to get to know the folks
• 28:55
  at Locals and I'm like, wow, these are amazing people.
• 28:57
  So here's one significant difference between Patreon and
• 28:59
  Locals. If you quit Locals, which is a
• 29:03
  free speech platform that's committed to not banning people.
• 29:07
  If you quit Locals, the money comes directly to you through
• 29:10
  Stripe. Wow.
• 29:12
  Yeah. So I could leave Locals and just
• 29:14
  make 10% more than I'm making now if I want, but they make
• 29:17
  their platform so excellent that you would never do that.
• 29:23
  Yeah. So I I've only had great.
• 29:25
  Should we use? Locals instead of what?
• 29:27
  Patreon. 100% really. I think so.
• 29:32
  And what's great about locals too is, is they're not just
• 29:33
  catering to the right. They're like anyone who doesn't
• 29:36
  want to be banned, anyone who's for free speech, anyone who's
• 29:39
  tired of this big tech censorship, come here.
• 29:43
  Because even if we banned you, which we won't, you'll just make
• 29:46
  more money because we want you to be independent.
• 29:49
  So you're not dependent on us to make the money.
• 29:51
  It's also a much more holistic system.
• 29:53
  So whereas on Patreon you have to record a video on YouTube and
• 29:57
  then put an unlisted link on Patreon if you want only
• 30:00
  Patreons to see the thing you're posting, you can stream directly
• 30:03
  from locals. And now Locals and Rumble are in
• 30:06
  cahoots working together. So as Rumble grows, locals is
• 30:09
  growing. I have been thrilled.
• 30:12
  And I would say this too. People who are on my locals say
• 30:16
  it's it's amazing. I know that sounds like I'm just
• 30:19
  trying to but it's true because on locals you can't comment
• 30:23
  unless you're paying money. So a lot of the stuff I put on
• 30:26
  locals people can see but if they want to interact with me or
• 30:28
  my locals they have to be invested. 10 bucks a month,
• 30:32
  right? If someone's invested for 10
• 30:36
  bucks a month, they're not there to troll, probably.
• 30:39
  And So what you find on locals is what social media should have
• 30:42
  been but never was. And it's like people trying to
• 30:45
  give each other the benefit of the doubt, trying to understand
• 30:47
  each other, trying to be charitable.
• 30:49
  So real conversations are happening, yeah.
• 30:52
  And meaningful connections or dialogue.
• 30:54
  Is happening. Really.
• 30:55
  I don't. I can't say that's true of every
• 30:56
  local's account, but for mine it certainly seems to be.
• 31:01
  So I know there's a lot of it sounds like maybe ambivalence or
• 31:05
  you're kind of sorting through your next steps with some of
• 31:08
  this you've had, you've grown so much over the last few years and
• 31:12
  even this year I feel like you've you've the show has grown
• 31:14
  so much. What are some of the drivers?
• 31:17
  What do you mean of growth for you?
• 31:19
  How do you approach that? Because you you haven't.
• 31:21
  Been on Ben Shapiro? Show well, Ben.
• 31:23
  Ben. Shapiro bicycle on a sidewalk.
• 31:25
  That was a good video that. I saw that video did.
• 31:28
  It that was big. That was very well staged.
• 31:29
  So if if the IT was very funny. So for those who didn't see it's
• 31:34
  like a one minute video. I walk out of a shop and a
• 31:36
  electric bike is zooming past on the sidewalk and knocks me over
• 31:39
  and a a a camera on our cigar lounge at that Tunville caught
• 31:46
  it. And so we put it up and I said
• 31:48
  something like best caption wins.
• 31:50
  And this was just after my debate with Prager when someone
• 31:54
  said Prager sends his regards. Oh gosh.
• 31:57
  That was my favorite comment. Yeah.
• 31:59
  I don't know. I think, yeah, it's so tough.
• 32:04
  I think we all have to be honest about the fact that we want
• 32:07
  clicks, right? Like just we all have to stop
• 32:09
  pretending we don't want it, and we also have to stop pretending
• 32:12
  that we don't know what gets it. Like, I know it gets it, it gets
• 32:15
  it. It's news.
• 32:16
  Like whatever. The news.
• 32:17
  Something someone said. The Pope, The president.
• 32:20
  Of the day. Yeah, just do that.
• 32:21
  Dropping the name of the person that's in the news and talking
• 32:24
  about something about it. Now the algorithm's quite smart
• 32:26
  on YouTube. I'm just, I'm learning.
• 32:28
  I'm we gotta do news? The algorithm's quite smart.
• 32:31
  It's not just about how quickly you click on it, it's how long
• 32:33
  you watch it for. So it can't be clickbait.
• 32:35
  It has to intrigue people, keep them hooked, right?
• 32:38
  So you can figure that out. But it's like, well, all right,
• 32:41
  so I know now I know how to do that, and I know I have to play
• 32:43
  the game right because I want to grow the channel.
• 32:46
  Because like you, I do believe that the interviews and the
• 32:49
  people I have on are genuinely helping people in this very
• 32:51
  confused time. And you enjoy it.
• 32:54
  Earlier you were saying. But it is, it is a calling.
• 32:56
  It sounds like for you, it's not just that you love it, it's a
• 32:58
  sense of calling. Yeah, I think so.
• 33:00
  So I love it. I want to, I want to get the
• 33:02
  clicks. I want to grow the channel, but
• 33:04
  I also don't want to sell my soul like so if I go to Austria,
• 33:08
  I no doubt things are going to tank, but it's like, OK, So
• 33:10
  what? Am I just going to stay on this
• 33:11
  treadmill until I'm like 75? But it also might, I think
• 33:14
  there's a respect and, and, and, and like, I think the audience
• 33:18
  and your, your, your team, your folks.
• 33:19
  Like when you're away, there's a sense of excitement when you
• 33:22
  come back and you, you've learned something and maybe you
• 33:25
  have some Austrian sheep that you bring home.
• 33:27
  I don't know. You know, it could be great.
• 33:29
  So you never know. It's a.
• 33:31
  It's a change. But I don't think it has.
• 33:33
  See, that's why I don't think subscriptions matter.
• 33:35
  Subscribers don't matter at all. You know what I have?
• 33:38
  Like, I don't know how much I have, guys.
• 33:40
  Subscribers. Are 400 and something thousand?
• 33:42
  That doesn't matter at all. That's a lot.
• 33:43
  Yeah, it doesn't matter. If it like can I have some of
• 33:46
  them there but. It doesn't matter.
• 33:47
  It really doesn't matter because YouTube knows what you want to
• 33:50
  see more than you know what you want to see.
• 33:53
  So I mean how the the little click the subscribe and see if
• 33:57
  there's any latest videos. There's an afterthought on
• 33:59
  YouTube. When you go to YouTube, you see
• 34:01
  like a home page of the things YouTube knows that you want to
• 34:04
  watch. Really, that's what you When I
• 34:05
  go to my homepage, I see half the stuff I don't want to watch
• 34:08
  and I don't click on What's wrong with my algorithm.
• 34:11
  Well, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong but that.
• 34:13
  Might be I'm probably an outlier.
• 34:15
  Maybe you've got somebody else using your account and they're
• 34:17
  like watching up, they're watching things, but so.
• 34:21
  I'm like, how to make a salad dressing, You know?
• 34:23
  I'm just kidding. You guys aren't doing that.
• 34:24
  It's a weird time though, isn't it?
• 34:26
  To speak this much and have it all recorded and put out there.
• 34:29
  It's almost like like it's never been so easy to record and to
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  publish and to reach a lot of people.
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  It's almost like we've never needed to be more merciful with
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  people than now because of how easy it is.
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  It's not like you wrote a book and thought it.
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  I mean, you did write a book, but it's not like if if I write
• 34:45
  a book and I think it through, this is my position and I can be
• 34:48
  like dragged over the calls for it.
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  But in conversations like this, where you say things you maybe
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  don't mean, like you misspeak and you say something you know,
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  or you say something you're thinking through but haven't
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  considered fully. It's kind of weird, yeah.
• 35:04
  Yeah, it's like, what kind of weight should I give to these
• 35:08
  offhanded remarks so. Well, I, I think about you
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  mentioned you want to be a St. I do, but that's the end game.
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  That's. Beautiful, yes.
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  You will be, You will be. That's true.
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  You will be even if you go through purgatory.
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  Good, good, the good Lord will make me a St.
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  Amen. And he is making me a St. and I
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  love him. But you But do you also want to
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  be a canonized St. I don't care about that.
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  Really. That's good?
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  Well. I hope I don't care about that.
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  And if you don't think we should care about.
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  That and shouldn't care about that.
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  Then May God purify me of that too.
• 35:37
  Wow. But so no, I think it's.
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  But but, but hold on, that's really because we're talking as
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  Catholics. So obviously we are Catholics.
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  But so you're saying you don't want to skip purgatory?
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  Or you you you canonized St. means you skipped purgatory.
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  No, it doesn't. No, it just means that you've
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  been officially recognized As for the Church as one of the
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  Blessed All. Right.
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  You're educating me here because I thought that becoming a
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  Catholic St. Yes.
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  No, it doesn't mean. That canonized meant that you
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  went straight to heaven. That's not my understanding and
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  I don't think that's official Church teaching for those for
• 36:15
  those at home by purgatory. I I like to think of purgatory
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  as that the, the final rush of our sanctification, right.
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  So nothing unclean will enter heaven.
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  And even after our initial salvation, we still find
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  ourselves wounded by sin, attached to sin, tempted by sin.
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  We know we won't be like that in heaven.
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  How awful would that be? If you're in heaven but still
• 36:37
  felt wounded by sin and desired sin, OK, Therefore what happens?
• 36:42
  Well, there has to be something in between, you know, loving the
• 36:45
  Lord, but still wounded by and desired to and attached to sin
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  and then not. And that's what we call
• 36:52
  purgatory. It's it's that cleansing fire of
• 36:56
  God's love that purifies us. And it could be a second, right
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  I? Don't think the church has a has
• 37:01
  a stand on how time works in the afterlife.
• 37:04
  So Benedict, Pope Benedict before he was Pope Benedict, I
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  think, seemed to side with the idea that it may, may, may not
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  take any time, temporal duration at all.
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  It might be just the encounter of God's love which purifies us
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  in a moment. But then there are other there
• 37:20
  are other people who say differently, so I don't know.
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  So you don't think then you don't have like a sense that you
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  would want to have purgatory be as quick and short and you know,
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  and there's I've heard as a Catholic, I've been told that
• 37:35
  you want to get as much purgatory in this life as
• 37:38
  possible, but you think that's not yes.
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  And I. Think that's right like.
• 37:42
  You want, you want your sanctification.
• 37:44
  Like that's where again, I don't do this.
• 37:46
  This is what I need to work on. But it's like if suffering comes
• 37:48
  your way, if humiliation comes your way, whatever comes your
• 37:52
  way, or you impose it on yourself out of your own sin and
• 37:55
  foolishness, whatever my own sin and foolishness you like,
• 37:58
  embrace it to help yourself out for eternity, because it's part
• 38:02
  of your purification process that the Lord's allowing.
• 38:05
  But I like to. Think of it in the terms of
• 38:07
  becoming healthy, right? So a St. is someone who's fully
• 38:10
  healthy. In this analogy, sin makes you
• 38:12
  stupid and sick. In this life, you should wish to
• 38:15
  be more and more healthy and less and less stupid and sick.
• 38:18
  And so of course you should embrace what the Lord permits or
• 38:22
  what the Lord ordains for your life.
• 38:25
  Often we don't. But submitting to that and
• 38:27
  trusting that all that comes before us is because of His love
• 38:31
  for us, even though sometimes it feels very painful and unfair,
• 38:37
  it's makes us healthier so. I I haven't heard that before.
• 38:41
  I really like that, that view. It's a path to health in that
• 38:46
  way. I haven't heard that.
• 38:47
  Yes, it's becoming healthy. I mean, Thomas Aquinas talks
• 38:50
  about this a little bit in confession.
• 38:51
  You know, like you want to show the physician your wound.
• 38:55
  You don't go to the physician and cover up the thing that's
• 38:57
  really hurting. I mean, you can, but you'd be a
• 38:59
  fool. How does one even know they're
• 39:02
  hurting? Yeah, I like you a lot and I
• 39:06
  like your questions a great deal.
• 39:08
  How does one know that they're hurting?
• 39:09
  I how do I know that I'm hurting?
• 39:11
  Because I don't know how you know that you're hurting.
• 39:13
  I know that I'm hurting when I find that I'm angry or
• 39:18
  controlling or nitpicky or I cause grief to my loved ones.
• 39:25
  If I start doing that, I go, oh, what's going on?
• 39:28
  What place? Where are you coming from?
• 39:30
  Like what are you afraid of that you're angry that you're
• 39:32
  controlling, that you're nitpicky?
• 39:35
  What do you need to submit to the Lord Jesus?
• 39:37
  You know, that's the for me. That's how I know I'm hurting.
• 39:40
  Or if I'm just depressed, I know I'm hurting because of that.
• 39:43
  And So what do you do? Oh, I said, Lord Jesus, let
• 39:47
  there be light. Let there be light, You know,
• 39:51
  let me see where I'm what I'm afraid of.
• 39:54
  What am I believing that's false?
• 39:56
  That I need to renounce, that I need to let go of Lord Jesus, in
• 40:00
  your name. I renounce the lie.
• 40:04
  Let's say that I have to have it all together for you to love me.
• 40:09
  I renounce that lie in the name of Jesus, and I announce the
• 40:13
  truth that you are my loving Father, that you desire my
• 40:20
  salvation, that by Christ's death and resurrection you have
• 40:24
  opened heaven under my feet. I am the apple of your eye.
• 40:29
  You look at me with inexpressible tenderness and
• 40:33
  there's nothing I can do about it, that kind of thing.
• 40:36
  So it's renouncing those. Like you need to close the
• 40:38
  podcast. That was that was good.
• 40:42
  See I need to get more Matt Freddy with my interviewing
• 40:44
  because I will be honest I have like when I interview I have
• 40:47
  like 5 questions that pop into my head while the person's
• 40:50
  talking. That's beautiful though.
• 40:51
  Just be you and. Then some of them I really want
• 40:53
  to ask and I want to save. But then you're right, you lose
• 40:56
  attention towards the rest of what they're talking if you're
• 40:58
  really trying to remember your question.
• 40:59
  So that's where the notepad. Came out.
• 41:00
  I think that's right because I heard Dave Rubin do interviews
• 41:03
  in the past back when he did them and someone would bring
• 41:05
  something up too early for him and he'd be like, oh, we're
• 41:08
  going to get to that. And I never like that.
• 41:09
  I like trusting the flow of the conversation and rather that I
• 41:13
  think it's better for me in my format, I would rather go with
• 41:17
  the flow of the conversation then feel the need to like, stop
• 41:21
  there. We're going to do this now.
• 41:22
  But what if it doesn't enter back into the flow?
• 41:24
  Like the part the question that you had that didn't get answered
• 41:26
  was earlier in the conversation made more sense earlier.
• 41:29
  You've already flowed to this beautiful prayer that you just
• 41:31
  prayed. And you go with that.
• 41:33
  You don't have to go back. You know, so you just don't go
• 41:35
  back. You just don't go back.
• 41:36
  Yeah, but I really wanted to. Well then go back, especially if
• 41:39
  it wraps up right. OK.
• 41:40
  Yeah, well, I'll do. What you want to do, This is the
• 41:43
  one point I want to make. I once spoke to a friend of
• 41:45
  mine, his name is Chris Stefanik.
• 41:46
  And he's he's wonderful. I was giving, I was asking him
• 41:50
  to give me advice because I was giving a lot more talks than I
• 41:52
  used to. And he said, please don't try to
• 41:55
  be Jason Everett. Please don't try to be Doctor
• 41:57
  Scott Hahn. Go up there and be big goofy
• 41:59
  you. And I'm like, what the hell big
• 42:02
  awkward you is? I think what he said.
• 42:04
  I think that's the best advice. Just everyone else has taken
• 42:07
  Just be you with all of your little what's the word?
• 42:12
  Eccentricity. Yes, that word, it's a hard word
• 42:14
  to say. All of that, you know, just just
• 42:17
  be you. And then if people don't like
• 42:19
  it, then they don't have to watch.
• 42:20
  OK, but. These people will be like, well,
• 42:22
  I like Lila, so I want her to be.
• 42:23
  Maybe my mom, she she definitely watches and my sister-in-law to
• 42:26
  give me advice. OK, so the question I had is
• 42:30
  when you're choosing, how do you select the guest to interview?
• 42:33
  People I'm interested in talking to.
• 42:35
  And how do you pick who not to talk to?
• 42:37
  People I'm not interested in talking to.
• 42:39
  And I have people asking me daily.
• 42:42
  I get emails, Instagram messages daily, daily, multiple people.
• 42:46
  Which good for them. I mean, I'm sure they're
• 42:48
  wonderful, but if I don't want to talk to you, then it won't be
• 42:52
  a great conversation. And maybe you could argue that I
• 42:54
  should want to talk to everybody because everybody has something
• 42:57
  to say, but I don't want to. That's such a freeing way to
• 43:00
  look at. Things, yeah.
• 43:01
  I would rather have just a nice conversation than chat with
• 43:04
  someone who's brilliant but doesn't know how to have a
• 43:06
  conversation, you know? That's really, really good
• 43:08
  advice, Matt. Any other good advice?
• 43:13
  I don't know, I don't think so. Any other good advice?
• 43:19
  I think it's like as soon as you wanna, as soon as I am doing
• 43:24
  this for a reason other than I just wanna do it, I think
• 43:28
  everyone will start to feel it. Like if I'm doing episodes,
• 43:30
  'cause I gotta, I gotta promote this advertiser and I gotta get
• 43:33
  another one in and, and that becomes the, that's the main
• 43:36
  reason we keep. It's like people know they feel
• 43:39
  it. I don't ever want to do that.
• 43:42
  I just want to. I want to do it because I want
• 43:43
  to do it. OK, so this could be a nice
• 43:45
  place to end if you want. John Eldridge wrote a book
• 43:48
  called Wild at Heart. You you like that book?
• 43:50
  Love the book. Really.
• 43:51
  Yes. What's your favorite thing about
• 43:53
  it? I'll tell you, OK, At the end he
• 43:55
  said something that you touched upon earlier.
• 43:57
  He says don't ask yourself what the world needs.
• 44:00
  Ask yourself what makes me come fully alive.
• 44:03
  And then go do that because what the world needs is men who have
• 44:06
  become fully alive. I'm not saying that Pines with
• 44:10
  the guides makes me come fully alive, but I do love it.
• 44:13
  I love talking to people. I love having a big audience
• 44:17
  here. Wonderful stories like you with
• 44:19
  all your great work that you've done, and God bless you.
• 44:21
  And I love doing that so. That's great.
• 44:24
  Yeah, but as soon as it's not about, I love it and it's about.
• 44:28
  It's a chore. Yeah, it's about money.
• 44:30
  Like I want money. I want more of it.
• 44:32
  I want a lot more of it because the more I get more people I can
• 44:36
  hire, other things we can do. I I love the journey but if it
• 44:39
  becomes about that and not just the joy of having wonderful
• 44:42
  conversations then. So if that that quote, it's a
• 44:45
  beautiful concept, you know, do what makes you come fully alive.
• 44:50
  But there's a lot of things that are in life that feel like a
• 44:54
  chore, no? Yeah, fair enough.
• 44:57
  You know, I it would make me come fully alive if I just left
• 44:59
  my children and just. It's like board a cabin in the
• 45:02
  woods. I don't feel, I will be fully
• 45:05
  honest, I do not feel fully alive.
• 45:07
  I guess in a very deep spiritual sense, maybe I do actually.
• 45:10
  But certainly physically and mentally, I do not feel fully
• 45:13
  alive at 4:00 AM when my little 1 is up for the fifth time.
• 45:17
  Just like asking for a cup of milk, you know?
• 45:20
  Right. So I guess I mean to, to be fair
• 45:22
  to this quotation, I don't think it's an invitation to hedonism.
• 45:26
  I think it, I think what it's saying is at your, at the core
• 45:29
  of who you are. You know, when all the pretence
• 45:32
  has been stripped away and you can be sober and honest, what
• 45:36
  kind of person do you wanna be? And obviously you wanna be the
• 45:40
  kind of person who gets up at 4:00 AM even when you don't want
• 45:42
  to. That's.
• 45:43
  True, and you will be the. Person who loves your husband
• 45:46
  well. Who do you wanna be, Matt?
• 45:48
  I wanna, who do I, I wanna be? I want to be at Saint Matt.
• 45:52
  Fred, if God wanted you to be Mother Teresa, he would have
• 45:55
  made you Mother Teresa. And if you wanted me to be Padre
• 45:57
  Pier, he would have made me Padre Pier.
• 45:58
  For whatever reason, he decided to make the knucklehead that I
• 46:01
  am and your beautiful self who you are.
• 46:04
  And I just, I want to be the full flowering of who God wants
• 46:07
  me to be. But not canonized.
• 46:09
  I would love to be canonized if the Lord would allow it, but and
• 46:14
  if we are canonized, it's all because of his work.
• 46:16
  Like it's all because of him. So.
• 46:18
  But I think, is it true though, that there are some Saints in
• 46:20
  heaven that have more bliss maybe than even the canonized
• 46:23
  ones? And you?
• 46:24
  Are more blessed. Yeah, and that no one has ever
• 46:26
  heard their name on Earth. Oh, sure.
• 46:31
  Thanks Matt. How can people find your work?
• 46:34
  Possibleguys.com Awesome. Thank you guys for listening to
• 46:38
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• 46:40
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