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BONUS EPISODE: The Origin of Transgender Surgery & David Reimer · The Lila Rose Show

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Gender dysphoria is a condition that is deeply painful for many
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people, and it's increasing in its occurrence today.
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Transgender surgery has a really dark history, and I think
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everybody needs to know it. I think it's key that we
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understand the history of where transgender surgeries even came
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from. And I want to focus today on a
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key person that you should know about and his story.
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His name is David Reamer. You may not have heard of David
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Reamer in conversations about gender or sex because David
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Reamer actually is proof of the darkness of the transgender
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ideology. David Reamer was actually born
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Bruce Reamer and he had a twin brother.
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Bruce and his twin brother Brian when they were very young, about
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8 months old were diagnosed with a condition that the doctor said
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circumcision would help heal and so little Bruce was first to go
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and was taken in to be circumcised and in the
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circumcision they damaged Bruce's penis.
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After this botched circumcision the condition that the 2 little
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twin boys had had actually went away for the other brother so he
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never underwent circumcision. They, they decided not to do it
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because of what happened to Bruce.
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But the parents were now left with this beautiful little baby
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boy who was severely maimed. And in that process, they ended
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up watching television. One day, they watched a program
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with John Money on it, The psychiatrist, John Money, who at
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the time was doing experimental transgender surgeries.
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And John Money was saying, hey, listen, if you have ambiguous
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genitalia, then you can be raised as a different sex than
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you are biologically. And so the parents started
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thinking, well, maybe we can raise Bruce as a girl.
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So they ended up taking Bruce and his twin brother to to see
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John Money. And this is where all the
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horrors began. John Money would eventually
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remove both of Bruce's testicles.
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He would instruct the parents to raise Bruce as a girl, changing
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his name to Brenda, and he would start to start the process of
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ultimately genderizing Bruce, now Brenda, as a little girl.
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In the process, Doctor Money would actually sexually abuse
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both boys. So he would instruct the parents
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to leave them with him for clinical visits and he would
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actually have the boys commit sexual acts with each other so
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he'd sexually abuse them. And the boys were so disturbed
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by this they would cry. They would ask not to go, but
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the parents would still send them and the psychiatrist would
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even abuse them more. He would physically abuse them
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if they weren't doing these sex acts with each other.
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So the abuse that he perpetuated on Bruce and his brother is
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completely, it's unbelievably horrific.
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And this is a psychiatrist, which, by the way, continued to
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have his license until his death.
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When Bruce became an adolescent, you know, being called Brenda,
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he actually would discover the truth of his birth because he
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asked questions. He didn't want to be a girl
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anymore. He wanted to be a boy.
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And his parents would admit to him that they had had his
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testicles removed and that he was actually born a boy.
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And when they first shared this with him, his one question was,
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what was my name? And they told him, your name was
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Bruce. And it's at that point he
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adopted the name David instead because he wanted to be like
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David, who's who was able to slay the giant and overcome
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tremendous difficulties. So he had a fighting spirit.
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He was a beautiful person who had a fighting spirit.
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And we're actually going to watch the exclusive interview
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that he did with Oprah Winfrey in 2000, talking about the
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trauma that he endured and the forgiveness that he had in his
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heart, ultimately for those who harmed him.
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For years, this case was called a medical triumph.
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But in truth, the case was a failure, devastating the lives
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of just about everybody involved.
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Oprah's admitting it already. I mean, this is like the OGD
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transitioner. It's so tragic that his story
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has not echoed more to today that not more people know this
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story. This is David, who has remained
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anonymous until now only known in the medical journals as John
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Joan. And this is Janet Rhymer,
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David's mother, who made the agonizing decision to change the
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sex of her son. You can't actually change your
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sex. You cannot change your sex.
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All you can do is take hormones to change the hormonal balances
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in your body. You can do surgeries to remove
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body parts and make maybe fake body parts.
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That's what you can do. You can dress a different way,
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you can put on makeup, but you cannot change your sex.
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And to raise him as a girl and what you all at home didn't see
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during the taping of that piece, we could tell Janet you're, you
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know, moved and probably disturbed by.
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Can't imagine being the mother. I mean, I can't.
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It's if that happened to a child, like my child, first of
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all, I would never. But let's say in that position
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years later and you're realizing that you did do something
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horrible and that you also gave access as a predator, access to
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your children regularly and forced your children to go see
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that predator. I mean, multiple levels of
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devastation. And you can kind of see it on
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her face here. David, you you comfort her.
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So she's hurting right now. Mothers are all over the world,
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are all alike. There's guilt.
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It's darned if you do and darned if you don't, you know, with
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things that were done, were done out of compassion, out of love
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for your child. And how can I hate my mother for
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that? What an amazing guy.
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What I was saying his example here is such a good example for
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anybody who's fighting against the trans ideology.
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He has compassion. I mean, he's clearly speaking
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out against ideology in this interview and the ideology that
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led them to make the decisions that they made and John Money
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and what he did the doctor. But he has so much compassion
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for his own mother and forgiveness.
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And he's saying that he's seeing the good intention because there
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are a lot of good intentions. I mean, people that are facing
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gender dysphoria, people that are choosing to try to
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transition or their parents of kids are a transition, many of
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them not all because they do think there are some with bad
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intentions or they're very egotistical or narcissism or
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there's all kinds of other issues, right?
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But for some, I think there is true compassion.
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And he, he is acknowledging that in his own mother.
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And I think it's so his posture is one of so much love, like
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real virtue here to be able to do that.
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And it's something I think we can all learn from.
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Did you think he would hate you? Yes, I did.
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Did you hate yourself? Yes.
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So you talk on the tape about the day you first put the dress
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on. Did you have agonizing feelings
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about it even when the doctor or were you of that generation or
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kind of person when the doctor said this would be best?
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Did you all believe that it would be best?
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Yes, I had complete faith in the Doctor.
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It's so crazy. It's like the power of a doctor,
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the power of an authority figure, the power of a parent,
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the power of a parent suggesting to a child, you may be a boy or
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a girl, we don't know yet. The power of a doctor saying,
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oh, you, you feel like you like to wear dresses or you like to
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do more feminine things, you might be a girl.
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The power of suggestion from an authority figure to totally
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wreak havoc on a young impressionable person's life.
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And that's what a lot of the Transmania and cult is doing
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today. I believed it would be best, but
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when he started to RIP it off I started to have doubts.
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So I'm going to tell a story here.
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Over a decade ago, I was on an investigative trip investigating
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abortion clinics. It's what I do at Live Action.
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And I was with a team and we were in a cafe in somewhere in
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New England and we were having lunch basically.
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And then this couple came in. There were these two men.
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One of them was cross dressing. It was very clearly a man, very
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skinny, very angular. He was wearing women's clothing
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like a miniskirt. And they had this child with
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them. The child was beautiful, had
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this bright curly red hair, tightly wound and was wearing
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this very glitter kind of dramatic dress.
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And he's like kind of like Dorothy type, golden sparkly
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shoes, had dolls. And immediately my eyes went to
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this family because like you can tell there's no mom.
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This is a cross dressing dude who's a dad who's playing the
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part of a dad or playing the part of a mom.
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And we actually start strike up a conversation with them.
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So I still have kind of investigator mode on because
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we're on an investigative trip to investigate abortion clinics.
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And the this couple says that her name is Roxanne and it's
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going to be Roxanne's birthday soon.
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At one point, my investigative partner says Roxanne is such a
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beautiful hair because it was this beautiful, like curly red
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hair. And one of the men who was
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dressing as a woman says she was had long, beautiful hair, but
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she locked herself in the bathroom with scissors and cut
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it all off. But when he started to RIP it
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off, I started to have doubts. And so then I asked the little
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girl who I realized in that moment, it's not a girl.
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And I said, Roxanne, why did you cut off all your hair?
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And this little boy says to me, because it was getting too long.
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So we complete the conversation. They actually ended up inviting
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us to like, the birthday party or said he's, you know, Rustan's
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having a birthday party. They were very kind of social,
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kind of very almost flamboyant about inviting people into their
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family life. Like, this is my family, this is
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my daughter. And I thought, what do I do?
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I just witnessed a child who's been psychologically abused by
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two men. You're probably the adoptive
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parents. What do I do for this child?
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Do I call the police? Do I is there social service
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line to call? And I started to do some
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research and like, no, this is the early seeds of
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transgenderism being pushed on children because at that time,
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and this was a decade ago, there was already the Rainbow Alliance
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with I think it was 70,000. They claimed youths and children
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who are identifying as transgender.
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If you're a child and you're identifying as transgender, you
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are not identifying as transgender.
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You are being. Thoughts are being put into your
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head by your parents or media or teachers around you that
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transgender is even a thing and that you are biologically not
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the same thing as your own gender.
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Because you can be a little boy and have more feminine
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attributes. You can be a little girl and
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have more masculine attributes. That does not change your sex,
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which is your gender. They are the two of the same
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thing. We've only changed the idea of
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gender to be separate from sex in the last several.
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In the last century, gender was a is a construct for language
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which doesn't have biology. You are your gender, you are
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your sex. It's the same thing.
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This is the result, the consequence of authority figures
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doing evil things, even if they're misguided, doing it with
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misguided compassion. And during the whole journey of
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trying to create a feminine being, there were doubts along
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the way. But I couldn't afford to
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contemplate them because I couldn't afford to be wrong.
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I couldn't have faced the alternative.
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And the alternative being what? That you'd made this horrible
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mistake? Yes.
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Yeah. So it's the double down effect.
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And you know, you see what Jazz Jennings is a character from TLC
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and, and the mother is super involved, like her whole
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identity is her child, her little boy turning into a girl
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basically. And you see these parents that
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have made their identity now to have be the parents of trans
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kids and the surgeries and the medical appointments and the,
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and the whole sort of lifestyle of it.
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And they're, they have to keep doubling down on it because if
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they acknowledge, oh, wait, I made a mistake here.
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I mean the the the crushing guilt and also the liability,
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possibly future liability for them.
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It's a lot to contemplate. Since you, since your earliest
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memories, you never felt like you were a boy, a girl.
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I never quite fit in. The culture can overemphasize
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gender stereotypes, sex stereotypes, and that if that is
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then weaponized against kids, like there's something wrong
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with you because you as a boy like art or there's something
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wrong with you because you as a girl like climbing trees and
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therefore you're not a fully a girl anymore.
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You're not fully a boy. That's a problem with the
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culture. It's not a problem with the
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child, you know. And and this is an extreme case
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with David because he's talking about, you know, describing, you
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know, he was the victim of a medical accident, you know,
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medical malpractice, basically. And so this whole thing evolved
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and then like this crazy ideology of this doctor Money,
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who was, you know, one of the first trans surgery surgeons,
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right? The girls would do their things
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with their Barbies and things like that and that wouldn't
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interest me. Things such as trucks and
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bowling forts and, you know, get into the odd fist fight and
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climbing trees. That's the kind of stuff that I
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like. But it was unacceptable, so I'd
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never. As a girl.
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As as a girl I had no place to to fit in what?
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Would you say to him when he would act out his maleness?
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I would try and convince him that he was doing it because he
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was a tomboy and that it was OK to be himself or herself.
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I would say at the time it was OK to be herself, but she was
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very much a tomboy. I tried to fit in, I tried with
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the makeup, and it turned out to be a disaster.
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I didn't do it because I liked it.
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I did it because I wanted so desperately to fit in, because I
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was so lonely. I mean, so many kids feel like
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they don't fit in today in part because of gender stereotypes.
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I mean, the problem is not your body.
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The problem is the culture. And I let one boy kiss me on my
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cheek once, and I thought about it.
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No, I don't like this. No, that's that.
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I can't help that, you know, I am what I.
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Did you feel you you when you say I am what I am, but you
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didn't know what that was? I wasn't sure.
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But here's the thing. There are, I guarantee you,
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young boys today who are putting on makeup in order to fit in.
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It's like, what does it mean to like something as a child?
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What does it mean to like something?
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You're looking for belonging, you're looking for maybe your,
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you know, praise or comforter or attention.
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You're looking for attention maybe from your parents.
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You're not getting attention from them.
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And so the way you can get attention is by acting out in X
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or Y or Z way. So it's so much complexity here.
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That's why if a kid like a boy is putting on makeup, that
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doesn't make him a girl. I think you have to deep down,
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why is he putting on makeup? He sees his mother doing it
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maybe. Or like he's an art, he is an
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artist. He, he likes art or, you know,
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he's very like into like the physical sensation, you know,
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the thing like there's so many, there's so much complexity to a
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person and all the things that they do or choose, especially
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for children and what they're learning and exploring and
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experimenting. And so this, it's so it's so
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pernicious to take that exploration and that innocence
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and to say that, oh, now this means you are a trans and you
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need to you're, you're not at home in your own body, your
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body. There's a problem with your
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body. David would eventually commit
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suicide after experiencing severe depression.
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So he had a very tragic ending in his beautiful life.
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And that the, the suicidality rate, the suicide rates for
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people who are trans are higher than any other suicide rate
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that's documented in history of any people group.
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And it's because if you put someone, if someone is already
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feeling at war with their body. And in this case, David Reamer
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wasn't even feeling at war with his body.
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His parents were at war with his body, right?
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His body had been maimed in a medical malpractice.
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But if you're feeling at war with your body, the solution is
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not to go to war with your body, It's to heal.
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It's to heal and and reintegrate with your body because your body
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is good. And that is the ultimate message
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for anyone struggling with gender dysphoria or struggling
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with hatred for their body or discomfort with their body.
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There are a lot of different kinds of personalities.
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There's a lot of different ways to be a woman or to be a man, to
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be a human. But your body is not a mistake.
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Let the diversity be and how we live out being human and not
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make the mistake of going to war with our bodies.