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Stat Drop-Trump's Crime Rate Freefall plus Fireworks at the Judiciary Committee · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: The news is reporting on what they say is a story.
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Speaker 1: They don't want you to believe it's a big story,
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Speaker 1: and in fact they're burying it on purpose and admitting
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Speaker 1: massive and important information. Axios just reported the lowest murder
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Speaker 1: rate since nineteen hundred.
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Speaker 2: Let me say that again.
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Speaker 1: They just reported the lowest murder rate since nineteen hundred,
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Speaker 1: and the murder rate is now down twenty percent from
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. And somehow, as the FBI Director Caspattel
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Speaker 1: pointed out, they forgot to mention that President Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: is the reason why the results of this are from
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Speaker 1: the men and women in uniform at the FBI, ice
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Speaker 1: agents and others who have now been able to do
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Speaker 1: their job under Donald Trump's leadership. I've also made sure
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Speaker 1: they've gone into cities that were incredibly unsafe and put
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Speaker 1: law and order back into place. One of those is
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Speaker 1: my hometown of Memphis, Tennessee, and the crime rates have
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Speaker 1: have the lowest murder rate since nineteen hundred and twenty percent,
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Speaker 1: down from twenty twenty four. But they don't want you
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Speaker 1: to know about this, and the reasons very clear that
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Speaker 1: would make you like Donald Trump and what he's doing
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Speaker 1: even more. In fact, there have been nearly a two
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Speaker 1: hundred percent increase in arrests. Violent gangs have been crushed,
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Speaker 1: fugitives have been hunted down. Media gymnastics is what they're
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Speaker 1: doing now, trying to hide the reality that this administration
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Speaker 1: brought law and order back to actually even liberal cities,
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Speaker 1: and that means that Americans are safer because of it.
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Speaker 1: Center Cruz and I talked about these numbers, and I
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Speaker 1: want you to hear what he had to say about
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Speaker 1: it as well.
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Speaker 3: What was released this week is the latest murder rates,
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Speaker 3: and the murder rates across the United States decreased nationwide
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Speaker 3: roughly twenty percent. And let's put that in specific numbers.
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Speaker 3: If you look at January through October of twenty twenty
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Speaker 3: five and you compare it to the same time period
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four. In twenty twenty five, approximately five
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Speaker 3: nine hundred and twelve murders were recorded in the US
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Speaker 3: In that same time period in twenty twenty four, seven thousand,
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Speaker 3: three hundred and sixty nine murders were recorded. In other words,
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Speaker 3: there are about fourteen hundred people one thousand, four hundred
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Speaker 3: people alive who were not murdered because of common sense
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Speaker 3: law and order policies, because of not releasing murderers onto
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Speaker 3: the street, because of deporting murderers and violent gang members.
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Speaker 3: And let's break the numbers down. Chicago the murder rate
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Speaker 3: dropped thirty percent. New York City the murder rate dropped
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Speaker 3: twenty percent. Birmingham, Alabama, dropped forty nine percent, Albuquerque, New Mexico,
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Speaker 3: had dropped thirty two percent, Baltimore, Maryland had dropped thirty
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Speaker 3: one percent, Atlanta, Georgia, twenty six percent, Oakland, California, thirty
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Speaker 3: three percent, Washington, d C. Where President Trump deployed the
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Speaker 3: National Guard, thirty one percent. These are historic lows, and
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Speaker 3: if these trends continue, the US may record its lowest
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Speaker 3: murder rate since nineteen sixty, that is sixty six years ago.
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Speaker 3: That is a stunning result. By the way, border crime,
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Speaker 3: border crime, other violent crimes also decreased twenty twive, including
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Speaker 3: a twenty five percent drop in motor vehicle theft, an
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Speaker 3: eighteen percent drop in robberies, and an eight percent drop
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Speaker 3: in aggravated assaults. Now, these data are being reported, and
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Speaker 3: what is really quite interesting is the media is doing
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Speaker 3: everything they can to cover it up. So Axios wrote
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Speaker 3: the first story on this. They talk about the murder
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Speaker 3: rate has fallen, but they say, well, it's unclear that
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Speaker 3: this has anything to do with Donald Trump or DOJ
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Speaker 3: or the FBI or policies that Republicans have put in
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Speaker 3: place deporting violent criminals and murderers and gang members, which
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Speaker 3: is truly it is a level of dishonesty that is incredible.
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Speaker 3: And I want to give you some of the raw
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Speaker 3: backgrounds that explains why the murder rate has dropped so profoundly.
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Speaker 3: Here are some raw numbers, and this was put out
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Speaker 3: by FBI Director Cash Betel of what has happened that
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Speaker 3: would explain why is it that we've seen a twenty
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Speaker 3: percent drop in murder rate in the last year, we've
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Speaker 3: seen an increase in violent crime arrests. What rate do
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Speaker 3: you think the increase in violent crime arrests has been?
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Speaker 4: What has it been?
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Speaker 1: I have no clue.
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Speaker 3: One hundred percent? Wow, all right, how about this gangs
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Speaker 3: and criminal enterprises disrupted? What rate do you think that
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Speaker 3: that increase has been.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess it's got to be significant.
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Speaker 3: Two hundred and ten percent a total of one thy
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Speaker 3: eight hundred gangs and criminal enterprises disrupted, all right, Fentanyl
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Speaker 3: more than two thousand kilos of fentanyl seas, that's up
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Speaker 3: thirty one percent. That's enough to kill one hundred and
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Speaker 3: thirty million Americans. There've also been more than six thousand
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Speaker 3: child victims located. That's an increase of twenty two percent.
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Speaker 3: There have been more than one thy seven hundred child
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Speaker 3: predators arrested. That's an increase of ten percent. There have
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Speaker 3: been more than three hundred human traffickers arrested, that's up
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Speaker 3: fifteen percent. There's a thirty five percent increase in espionage arrests.
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Speaker 3: And four of the FBI's top ten most wanted fugitives
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Speaker 3: were captured. And to give you a sense of that,
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Speaker 3: in one year, do you have many how many of
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Speaker 3: the FBI's top ten lists were captured in the four
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Speaker 3: years of the Biden presidency.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess it's less than five.
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Speaker 3: Four So in one year they captured as many on
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Speaker 3: the top ten list as Biden did in all four years.
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Speaker 3: And the media want to do every thing they can
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Speaker 3: to say no, no, this drop and the murder rate.
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Speaker 3: It just happened magically. It's probably due to global warming
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Speaker 3: or something. It has nothing to do with arresting murderers.
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Speaker 3: It has nothing to do with deporting murderers. It certainly
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Speaker 3: has nothing to do with MS thirteen gang members being
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Speaker 3: put in jail and deported, despite the fact that the
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Speaker 3: way you join MS thirteen is by murdering someone. And
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Speaker 3: this is real results. And then you put on top
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Speaker 3: of it, you put on top of it the drop
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Speaker 3: in overdoses. And I want to pause for a second
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Speaker 3: and ask everyone listening to this. Have you seen this
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Speaker 3: on the six o'clock news? Have you read this of
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Speaker 3: the New York Times? Have you seen the corporate media
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Speaker 3: covering this? They don't want to cover this. Here are
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Speaker 3: the stats. In twenty twenty five, drug overdose deaths in
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Speaker 3: America dropped roughly twenty one percent. Now what does that mean.
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Speaker 3: That means in twenty twenty four there were ninety one thousand,
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Speaker 3: six hundred and ninety four deaths from drug overdoses. Ninety
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Speaker 3: one thousand, six hundred ninety four same time period. And
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Speaker 3: that's actually a year long projected looking at the data
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Speaker 3: from January to August, and this is from the CDC.
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Speaker 3: Ninety one thousand, six hundred ninety four and twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 3: What do you think they were in twenty twenty five. Well,
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Speaker 3: the answer is seventy two thousand, eight hundred and thirty six.
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Speaker 3: In other words, the deaths fell from ninety one thousand,
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Speaker 3: six hundred ninety four to seventy two thousand, eight hundred
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Speaker 3: and thirty six. That means they're about nineteen thousand people
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Speaker 3: who did not die because of drug overdoses. And what
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Speaker 3: are the policies that led to it. Well, Number one,
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Speaker 3: securing the border. We've seen a ninety nine percent decrease
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Speaker 3: in illegal crossings. Number Two, targeting the drug traffickers. All
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Speaker 3: of the images you've seen of the administration taking out
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Speaker 3: Venezuelan drug boats filled with drugs, those drugs are not
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Speaker 3: arriving in the United States at nearly the same rate.
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Speaker 3: And they're nineteen thousand Americans who are alive today. These
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Speaker 3: are sons and daughters, These are husbands and wives, brothers
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Speaker 3: and sisters that are alive that did not die. You
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Speaker 3: combine the decrease in deaths from drug overdoses with the
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Speaker 3: decrease in deaths from murders, and you're looking at more
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Speaker 3: than twenty thousand Americans that are alive today, and so
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Speaker 3: you may not think that government policies necessarily impact your life,
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Speaker 3: but they're twenty thousand Americans, and none of us will
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Speaker 3: know for sure who those twenty thousand are that are
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Speaker 3: alive today. Because the administration is rightly focused on public safety,
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Speaker 3: rightly focused on locking up violent criminals, on putting murderers
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Speaker 3: in jail, on putting rapists in jail, and putting child
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Speaker 3: molesters in jail, and on deporting violent criminal illegal immigrants
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Speaker 3: and gang members. EMREKA is much much safer as a result.
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Speaker 1: This is really exactly why it's so important that we
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Speaker 1: stand up for ICE wherever they go. This is why
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Speaker 1: it's so important to call out the left when they
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Speaker 1: become anarchists and they start trying to target and kill
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Speaker 1: ICE agents and other law enforcement agents. Remember this is
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Speaker 1: a trend now in the Democratic Party. They are trying
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Speaker 1: to defund the police. They're trying to have what they
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Speaker 1: refer to as prison reform, which means let all the
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Speaker 1: criminals out, and bail reform, which is where you can
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Speaker 1: go out and basically kill someone and we can't keep
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Speaker 1: you in jail. And there's the other side of this,
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Speaker 1: which is the report that has just come out that
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Speaker 1: we have the lowest murder rate since nineteen hundred. Literally,
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is saving lives every day. A twenty percent
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Speaker 1: drop in nationwide murder rate in less than a year
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Speaker 1: is incredible. One hundred percent increase in violent crime arrests
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Speaker 1: year to year, in one hundred gangs in criminal enterprises disrupted,
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Speaker 1: that's a two hundred and ten percent increase. Incredible. Two
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Speaker 1: thousand plus kilos of fetnal cees that's up thirty one percent.
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Speaker 1: That's enough fetnol, by the way, to kill one hundred
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Speaker 1: and thirty plus million Americans. A four hundred and ninety
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Speaker 1: percent increase in FBI affiliated violent extremist arrests. This is
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Speaker 1: what I voted for, this is what so many others
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Speaker 1: voted for. And we better back the president up while
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Speaker 1: he's doing it, no matter what the media says. During
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Speaker 1: the first public testimony before the House Judiciary Committee, Republicans,
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Speaker 1: especially the committee chair, Representative Jim Jordan, repeatedly accused Jack
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Speaker 1: Smith of trying to get former President Trump and pursuing
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Speaker 1: prosecutions for political reasons rather than legal ones. In questioning
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Speaker 1: from some GOP members like Representative Ben Klein. Smith refused
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Speaker 1: to confirm whether Trump could be prosecuted, again, prompting accusations
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Speaker 1: that his legal reasoning is unclear and even inconsistent. And
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Speaker 1: then there were the controversial subpoenas from lawmaker's phone records,
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Speaker 1: which shocked many around the country. One of the major
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Speaker 1: flashpoints is that Smith's Arctic frost investigation led to secret
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Speaker 1: subpoenas for Republican lawmaker phone records, including that of Representative
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Speaker 1: Chip Roy, a Republican from Texas, who erupted during the
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Speaker 1: hearing questioning whether his records were unfairly targeted. GOP members
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Speaker 1: called this an abuse of power and obviously constitutional overreach
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Speaker 1: at its highest level. Former President Trump also launching attacks
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Speaker 1: on Smith. While Smith testified, Trump brandon him as a
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Speaker 1: deranged animal, accusing him of perjury, and called for actions
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Speaker 1: against Smith, claims widely denounced by of course the left
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Speaker 1: and the media, as you know, politically motivated tax without evidence.
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Speaker 3: Isn't it funny?
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Speaker 1: They'll say that about Trump, but not about the actual
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Speaker 1: evidence that Smith was clearly doing that exact thing to
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Speaker 1: Republicans in Congress for no reason, even getting the phone
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Speaker 1: records of the speaker of the House Republicans. Painting Smith's
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Speaker 1: motives and his decisions, including seeking gag orders and aggressive
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Speaker 1: investigative tactics, has more evidence of a prosecutor overreach in partisanship
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Speaker 1: rather than impartial law enforcement. Which brings me to the
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Speaker 1: first piece of audio that I want you to hear.
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Speaker 1: This is Jim Jordan questioning Jack Smith publicly for the
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Speaker 1: world to see, and I want you to listen to
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Speaker 1: him hammered down on the facts of the abuse of
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Speaker 1: power by Jack Smith and the Department of Justice when
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Speaker 1: he was a special prosecutor going after Trump for one
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Speaker 1: simple reason to stop him from ever getting back in
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Speaker 1: the White House.
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Speaker 5: Gentlemen, yields back. Mister Smith. Is Cassidy Hutchinson a liar.
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Speaker 4: She was their star witness January sixth Committee, their star
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Speaker 4: witness in one of those staged and choreographed hearings they
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Speaker 4: paid the former president of ABC News to put together.
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Speaker 4: She was fact the only witness at this special prime
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Speaker 4: time hearing Tuesday, June twenty eighth, twenty twenty two, eight
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Speaker 4: o'clock in the evening, and she told some stories.
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Speaker 5: I mean these these were some stories she.
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Speaker 4: Talked about President lunched across the back seat, grabbed the
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Speaker 4: steering wheel, tried to drive the car to the Capitol.
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Speaker 4: And I just want to know you think she.
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Speaker 6: Was lying, Chairman Jordan, My assessment of that particular issue
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Speaker 6: is that, with respect to the testimony about someone of
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Speaker 6: the president lunging towards the driver, my recollection of her
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Speaker 6: testimony about that is that it was secondhand. She said
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Speaker 6: she'd heard that from somebody.
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Speaker 4: You familiar with the name Tony Ornado. I'm sorry, you
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Speaker 4: familiar with the name Tony Ornado. Yes, White House Deputy
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Speaker 4: Chief of Operations, Deputy chief of Staff for Operations.
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Speaker 5: Right, remember what.
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Speaker 6: He said about it, as I said here right now,
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Speaker 6: I do not.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he said it didn't happen. How about Bobby Engle,
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Speaker 4: you famire with that name. Yes, I am Secret Service
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Speaker 4: agent who was actually in the car that day.
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Speaker 5: You know what he said? He said, it didn't happen.
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Speaker 4: And they both said the first time they ever heard
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Speaker 4: this story was when miss Hutchinson testified in the prime
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Speaker 4: time hearing as their star witness of the January sixth committee.
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Speaker 4: By the way, do you ever confirm her testimony about
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Speaker 4: this particular incident.
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Speaker 6: We conducted, as I said, before our own independent investigation
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Speaker 6: of all aspects of the case that we thought was relevant.
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Speaker 6: We attorneys from my office.
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Speaker 5: Did you ever confirm it? That's a simple question.
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Speaker 6: We interviewed her, I should say, attorneys in my office.
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Speaker 4: But did you ever confirm the president leaping across the
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Speaker 4: see grabbing the steering wheel, this whole concoction she brought
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Speaker 4: up in the January sixth hearing, Do you ever confirm that.
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Speaker 6: We interviewed another firsthand witness who was in the car
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Speaker 6: who did not confirm that that happened.
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Speaker 4: But also your deposition to the committee last month, mister Smith,
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Speaker 4: you said this my recollection with miss Hutchinson was a
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Speaker 4: number of the things that she gave evidence on were
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Speaker 4: secondhand hearsay. Your remembers making that statement to us last
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Speaker 4: month in the deposition.
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Speaker 6: I did, and I was referring particularly to what we're
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Speaker 6: talking about now.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And you also said, miss Hutchinson regarding this particular
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Speaker 4: claim was a second or even third hand witness. We
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Speaker 4: ask you, if you were a defense attorney, how would
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Speaker 4: you handle cross examining her if she was on the
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Speaker 4: witness stand, And you said, if I were a defense attorney,
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Speaker 4: miss Hutchinson were a witness, The first thing I would
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Speaker 4: do was seek to preclude her testimony because it was here, say.
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Speaker 5: You remember saying all that? Yes, that's correct, So that's correct.
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Speaker 4: Right, We're gonna put her on the witness stand if
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Speaker 4: you ever got to trial.
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Speaker 6: We had not made final determinations as to who we
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Speaker 6: were going to call as a witness.
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Speaker 5: We had a large still considering her.
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Speaker 6: We had a large choice of witnesses in this.
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Speaker 4: Are you familiar what Washington Post reporters Carol Lenning and
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Speaker 4: Aaron Davis said in their book? They did his book
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Speaker 4: three hundreds on pages book on chronicle and the whole
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Speaker 4: investigation of the Justice Department, And here's what they said.
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Speaker 4: On page three ten, they said Jack Smith had wondered
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Speaker 4: whether some of Hutchinson's claims might be relied upon a trial. Still,
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Speaker 4: at one point, Smith told the elections team he wasn't
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Speaker 4: ready to give up on Hutchinson's account. Ultimately, however, Trump
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Speaker 4: administration officials uniformly fiercely disputed her accounts under oath. Prosecutors
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Speaker 4: on your team told Smith they wouldn't want to use
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Speaker 4: Hutchinson as a witness in court, and Smith agreed. Are
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Speaker 4: Caro Lenning and Aaron Davis who wrote this, are they lying?
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Speaker 6: My recollection is that I certainly had not made any
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Speaker 6: final determinations about.
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Speaker 5: In who we were going to call. Well, that's the point.
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Speaker 4: That is the point, the fact that they used her
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Speaker 4: in a primetime hearing, and you won't rule out using her,
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Speaker 4: or didn't rule out using her putting on the witness
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Speaker 4: stand when everybody knows she wasn't.
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Speaker 5: Telling the truth. That says it all.
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Speaker 4: That's the degree. And Democrats were willing to go to
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Speaker 4: get President Trump putting on the witness stand someone everybody
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Speaker 4: knows is making it up. Everybody knows that, and you
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Speaker 4: were willing to by the way, you know how many
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Speaker 4: times Cassie Hutchinson was mentioned in their report, the January
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Speaker 4: sixth report, any idea, mister Smith, I do not one
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Speaker 4: hundred and eighty five times, someone that the whole country
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Speaker 4: knows wasn't telling the truth and you were still considering
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Speaker 4: putting her on the witness stand because you had to
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Speaker 4: get President Trump.
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Speaker 5: And everybody can see that now.
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Speaker 1: Jim Jordan won the only one going after Jack Smith.
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Speaker 1: Representative Chip Roy, who I mentioned earlier, had this to say, do.
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Speaker 5: You know who Cleta Mitchell is, yes, I do.
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Speaker 7: She's an election lawyer that was involved in filing an
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Speaker 7: election contest on behalf of President Trump and Georgia in
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Speaker 7: December of twenty twenty, a sixty four page complaint with
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Speaker 7: over eleven hundred pages of exhibits, witness Ava David's and
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Speaker 7: expert witness reports documenting thousands of votes cast in violation
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Speaker 7: of Georgia law, but which were nevertheless included in the
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Speaker 7: vote totals. Now, notwithstanding the disposition of the cases that
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Speaker 7: was filed, is that.
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Speaker 5: A criminal act?
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Speaker 7: Filing an election contest on behalf of a candidate for
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Speaker 7: office a client?
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Speaker 2: Is that a criminal act?
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Speaker 5: Yes?
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Speaker 2: Or no? No?
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Speaker 7: In fact we see, So why did you deem it
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Speaker 7: appropriate to monitor Cleida Mitchell's long distance phone records in
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Speaker 7: twenty twenty three, two and a half years after the
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Speaker 7: election context was filed and after the presidential electors were certified?
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Speaker 7: What about Jen Ellis? What about Sidney Powell? What about
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Speaker 7: Bill Sepien? What crime did you suspect had been committed
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Speaker 7: by them that would warrant monitoring their phone records two
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Speaker 7: and a half years after the twenty twenty election was certified.
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Speaker 6: With respect to Sidney Powell, she is one of the
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Speaker 6: co conspirators alleged in the indictment. I don't know what
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Speaker 6: you mean by monitoring, sir.
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Speaker 7: If you're talking, oh, there were some four hundred plus
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Speaker 7: Republican conservative groups and leaders who were targeted by your investigation.
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Speaker 7: Their financial records were obtained, records of the RNC, the
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Speaker 7: Trump campaign, Cleta Mitchell, the Conservative Partnership Institute, the America
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Speaker 7: First League Policy Institute NRCC, RSC, conservative groups, people all
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Speaker 7: across the country's citizens. Because we hear a lot about
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Speaker 7: members of Congress, and we should because the separation of
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Speaker 7: powers and the egregious abuse of power. But what we're
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Speaker 7: not talking about enough, in my opinion, are the American
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Speaker 7: citizens that have been targeted. Because, frankly, are there any
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Speaker 7: limits to the power of a special prosecutor a special counsel?
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Speaker 1: And that's the big question why there needs to be
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Speaker 1: accountability for Jack Smith. Are there any limits or any
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Speaker 1: laws that he broke? And should there be accountability? Now
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Speaker 1: the answer is obviously yes. Now, chip Roy wasn't the
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Speaker 1: only one that wanted his pound of flesh, especially from
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Speaker 1: an abusive psychotic as I would describe it, man who
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Speaker 1: said he was really a special prosecutor that abused his
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Speaker 1: power to try to overthrow the will of the people
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Speaker 1: and try to put Donald Trump in jail and make
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Speaker 1: sure he was never president again. Brandon Gill had this
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Speaker 1: to say when he had a chance to talk directly
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Speaker 1: to this man that destroyed what was supposed to be
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Speaker 1: law and order in this country.
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Speaker 8: Mister Smith, in January of twenty twenty three, did you
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Speaker 8: subpoena then Speaker of the House Kevin McCarthy's toll records?
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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, we did, Yes, you did.
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Speaker 8: And the subpoena covered the time period between November twenty
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Speaker 8: twenty and January twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 2: Is that right? I'm sorry, sir. Could you say that again.
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Speaker 2: We're not going to delay like this.
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Speaker 8: The subpoena covered the time period between November of twenty
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Speaker 8: twenty and January twenty twenty one. How many days after
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Speaker 8: Kevin McCarthy was sworn in his speaker did U subpoena
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Speaker 8: his records?
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Speaker 6: I don't recall, but those two things had nothing.
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Speaker 8: It was sixteen days after becoming the highest ranking Republican
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Speaker 8: in the House of Representatives, usubpoenaed his toll records. Do
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Speaker 8: you agree that that might reasonably be considered a violation
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Speaker 8: of the speech of debate clause?
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Speaker 6: I do not, And I want to be clear that
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Speaker 6: the till.
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Speaker 8: We were collecting months worth of phone data on the
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Speaker 8: Republican Speaker of the House, the leader of the opposition,
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Speaker 8: right after he got sworn in as speaker, all around
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Speaker 8: the time of a major vote. That sounds like a
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Speaker 8: flagrant violation of the speech or debate clause to me,
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Speaker 8: and I think most people agree with me. And Speaker
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Speaker 8: McCarthy had no recourse, did he, because you issued a
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Speaker 8: non disclosure order ensuring that neither he nor any of
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Speaker 8: the American people knew about the subpoenas.
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Speaker 2: Is that right?
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Speaker 6: The toll record, the non content toll record subpoena is
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Speaker 6: we did secure non disclosure orders for those subpoenas.
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Speaker 2: You did.
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Speaker 8: And let me ask you, mister Smith, at the time
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Speaker 8: you secured those non disclosure orders.
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Speaker 2: Was Speaker McCarthy a flight risk?
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Speaker 6: The non disclosure order was based on concerns about it.
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Speaker 2: Was Speaker McCarthy a flight risks?
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Speaker 6: He was not?
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Speaker 2: He was not.
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Speaker 8: Then why did your non disclosure order refer to him
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Speaker 8: as a flight risk. It says right here, the court
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Speaker 8: finds reasonable grounds to believe that such disclosure will result
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Speaker 8: in flight from prosecution, Sir.
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Speaker 6: When securing a non disclosure order, the risks don't have
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Speaker 6: to associated.
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Speaker 8: I think that the Speaker of the House is a
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Speaker 8: risk this question? No, this is not your time. This
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Speaker 8: is my time. You think you think the Speaker of
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Speaker 8: the House is a flight risk? You think he's going
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Speaker 8: to hop on a plane and leave the country.
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Speaker 6: No, what I was trying to explain is, with respect
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Speaker 6: to a non disclosure order, the risks aren't necessarily associated
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Speaker 6: with the subscriber to the phone, the risks.
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Speaker 2: To okay, mistigation.
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Speaker 8: I think that you were using this is clearly in
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Speaker 8: reference to Speaker McCarthy, and you were using clearly false
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Speaker 8: information to secure a non disclosure order to hide from
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Speaker 8: Speaker McCarthy and from the American people the fact that
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Speaker 8: you were spying on his toll records.
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Speaker 2: But I've got more more, so let's move on.
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Speaker 8: In May of twenty twenty three, you also issued subpoenas
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Speaker 8: for toll records of nine US senators And an additional
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Speaker 8: representative is that right.
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Speaker 6: In May of twenty three, we did issues.
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Speaker 8: You did, and there were non disclosure orders in conjunction
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Speaker 8: with those subpoenas as well.
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Speaker 6: Right, that's correct, consistent with department policy, right law.
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Speaker 2: So again, nobody would know what you were doing.
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Speaker 8: The Senators would, and the representatives would, and the American
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Speaker 8: people wouldn't know what you were doing.
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Speaker 2: Is that right?
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Speaker 6: The toll records that we secured in the non disclosure
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Speaker 6: orders were consistent with policy.
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Speaker 8: And case, and you knew whenever you were doing that
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Speaker 8: that there was a risk you were violating the speech
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Speaker 8: or debate clause.
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Speaker 2: Is that right?
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Speaker 6: The toll record subpoena is that we secured were with
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Speaker 6: the concurrence of the public context.
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Speaker 8: Your own analysis says that you knew there was a
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Speaker 8: risk you were violating the speech or debate clause.
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Speaker 2: I have it right here.
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Speaker 8: This is an email from John Keller at Public Integrity
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Speaker 8: Section to your team. As you are aware, quote, as
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Speaker 8: you are aware, there is some litigation risk regarding whether
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Speaker 8: compelled disclosure of toll records of a member's legislative calls
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Speaker 8: violates the speech or debate clause in the DC circuit.
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Speaker 8: That's from your own analysis right there. So you did know,
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Speaker 8: didn't you?
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Speaker 6: So with respect to the item you just put up
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Speaker 6: on the screen. The last sentence states.
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Speaker 8: Uh, oh, we're going to get to the last sentence. Okay,
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Speaker 8: we're going to get to the last sentence, and you
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Speaker 8: cite case Lawn here. Quote the bar on compelled disclosure
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Speaker 8: is absolute?
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Speaker 2: Is right? Is that right? Or do you think that
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Speaker 2: you didn't have to abide by that precedent?
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Speaker 6: To be clear, this is not this statement is not
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Speaker 6: from my office. This is the statement.
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Speaker 8: This is This is your justification for those subpoenas and
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Speaker 8: indios that you ordered. This was part of your analysis.
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Speaker 8: It's a cursory analysis. I think it's worth noting, well,
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Speaker 8: let's get to that last sentence then.
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Speaker 2: Quote.
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Speaker 8: Given my understanding of the low likelihood that any of
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Speaker 8: the members listed below would be charged, the litigation risk
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Speaker 8: should be minimal here. In other words, you're using a
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Speaker 8: novel legal theory, which you knew was novel, has never
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Speaker 8: been tested by any court. You're not charging any of
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Speaker 8: these members. Nobody is going to know about it because
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Speaker 8: you issued indos. Nobody is going to sue about it.
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Speaker 8: So sue this, So who cares? We're going to do it. Anyways,
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Speaker 8: When you walked all over the Constitution. Throughout this entire
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Speaker 8: process of the gentleman's side are members of Congress, and
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Speaker 8: you know it.
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Speaker 2: It's absolutely disgraceful.
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Speaker 1: Let's just go back for a second to the Kevin
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Speaker 1: McCarthy aspect of this. Kevin McCarthy put out a post
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Speaker 1: and this is what he said, after watching Brandon Gill
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Speaker 1: go after Jack Smith. Quote a Speaker of the House,
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Speaker 1: I had a twenty four to seven security detail, and
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Speaker 1: my location was known to the government at all times.
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Speaker 1: Flight risk question mark another of Jack Smith's many lies. Now,
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Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy's absolutely right, when you're the Speaker of the House,
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Speaker 1: the government knows where you are twenty four to seven,
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Speaker 1: not just in America, literally anywhere you go in the world,
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Speaker 1: they know where you are, your third in line to
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Speaker 1: the presidency. So the idea that Kevin McCarthy, the Speaker
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Speaker 1: of the House at the time, was a flight risk
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Speaker 1: and therefore Jack Smith had to do this secretly because
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Speaker 1: if you knew about it, somehow he was just going
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Speaker 1: to like leave the country is another example of the
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Speaker 1: total insanity from Jack Smith. Now it's not insanity like
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Speaker 1: he's crazy, it's the insanity that he had to justify
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Speaker 1: doing something he knew he shouldn't be doing, and he
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Speaker 1: needed a crazy reason to do it. In almost every
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Speaker 1: case a third by the way, the US Senate, their
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Speaker 1: phone records were asked. They're basically being surveyed, spied on
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Speaker 1: from the government for which they serve, and they went
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Speaker 1: to Verizon and they got those records from many members
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Speaker 1: of the Senate, thank goodness, at and T. When they
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Speaker 1: were asked for the phone records of Senator Ted Cruz,
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Speaker 1: they said no because they understood that this was like
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Speaker 1: absolute abuse of power and they weren't going to be
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Speaker 1: a part of it. But Verizon was more than happy
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Speaker 1: to just hand over the records of all of these
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Speaker 1: members of Congress. This is just how bad it was. Now.
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Speaker 1: This is also I want to be clear what happens
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Speaker 1: in like communists and socialists kind They are willing and
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Speaker 1: jack Smith is willing to lie to your face over
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Speaker 1: this had no problem, Kevin McCarthy. I'll give you another example.
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Speaker 1: And this was even before Jacksmith testifies before the House
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Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee. Someone posted quote, don't forget what he did.
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Speaker 1: He forced cell phone comings to hand over the phone
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Speaker 1: records of sitting members of Congress. That kind of abuse
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Speaker 1: de Man's consequences. Accountability for Joe Biden and Jack Smith
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Speaker 1: is overdue, and it begins with Jack Smith answering every
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Speaker 1: single question put to him by the House. Now, AT
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Speaker 1: and T not only do they turn over Speaker McCarthy's
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Speaker 1: records to Jack Smith after it told the public that
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Speaker 1: it didn't, AT and T straight up lied to the public.
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Speaker 1: They did give then House Speaker McCarthy's personal cell phone
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Speaker 1: records amid the January sixth investigation. AT and T lied publicly,
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Speaker 1: so they did not over the records, but upon review,
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Speaker 1: they did comply with Smith's January twenty twenty three subpoena. Now,
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Speaker 1: why would AT and T lie about this? Because they
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Speaker 1: knew exactly what they did was straight up illegal, They
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Speaker 1: knew they were a part of it, and apparently they
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Speaker 1: didn't like Donald Trump, so they said we'll go along
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Speaker 1: with it. I assure you they wouldn't have given these
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Speaker 1: phone records for a Democrat sitting president. They wouldn't have
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Speaker 1: done to Joe Biden, and they certainly wouldn't have done
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Speaker 1: it to Barack Obama. But because it was Donald Trump,
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Speaker 1: they said, fine, do it, we have no problem with it,
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Speaker 1: and This is exactly why we need accountability. Congressional hearings
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Speaker 1: with him are important. It's a masterclass and transparenty. The
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Speaker 1: short answer is also easy. Many Democrats say, move on
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Speaker 1: from it and act like it never happened. Well, thank goodness, Republicans,
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