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Prentice Penny Full Interview · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: Please welcome to Money Making Conversations, my man, apprentice Penny.
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Speaker 1: Pretty good, pretty good. So I'll tell you something, Mr
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Speaker 1: penn Im said, Mr Pendent, because I saw your movie
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Speaker 1: twice and one day. So it's not often in my
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Speaker 1: life that I can say I saw the same movie
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Speaker 1: from beginning to the end. And we're talking about Uncorked
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Speaker 1: that's on Netflix twice in one day. So that's a compliment, man,
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Speaker 1: because of the fact that you know, first of all,
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Speaker 1: he has some people in that I really loved the
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Speaker 1: death nis Nisi Nash and Court Advance Um and so
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Speaker 1: talk about But before I get into store, just complimenting
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Speaker 1: all about the movie. Tell us about Uncorked the premise
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Speaker 1: and how how you developed it. Yeah, I mean it
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Speaker 1: really started from a place of you know, I wanted
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Speaker 1: to make sure I wanted to write, uh and direct
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Speaker 1: a movie, and I wanted to you know, obviously, it's
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Speaker 1: like I went to fund that felt kind of personal
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Speaker 1: because I could sort of, um, you know, find my
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Speaker 1: voice that as writing when you writing television, you know,
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Speaker 1: you're often writing in other people's voices, and so I
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Speaker 1: wanted to find mine. And I felt like I was
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Speaker 1: a big I love father's son dynamic stories, and I
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Speaker 1: often felt like with black fathers and son stories, usually
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Speaker 1: the spine up why the father that I have conflict
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Speaker 1: because the father was absent and I just wasn't my
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Speaker 1: experience and like a lot of friends of my un experiences,
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Speaker 1: and so I wanted to see and I thought, like
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Speaker 1: white people get to sort of have a experience in
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Speaker 1: my father some movies where they get the kind of
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Speaker 1: be basic. Like if you think about Good World Hunting
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Speaker 1: or Manchester About to See, you know that that that
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Speaker 1: you can get to be kind of regular. And I thought,
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Speaker 1: and being basically regular is what you find your humanity.
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Speaker 1: And so I wanted to see if my men to
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Speaker 1: be regular, not be you know, not about our pain
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Speaker 1: or our trauma. Is just to sort of like, this
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Speaker 1: is what life is like kind of an everyday basis
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Speaker 1: for this family. And so that's sort of what drew
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Speaker 1: me into like waiting to tell that kind of a story.
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Speaker 1: Right now, here's the thing. Now I'm watching the movie
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Speaker 1: enjoying it, laughing. It's kind of like almost like a
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Speaker 1: drama day. To me, it's comedy with a nice little
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Speaker 1: blended comedy stretched out through a dramatic movie with a
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Speaker 1: lot of emotional values. It's a romantic story, is a
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Speaker 1: family story, is a common of age story. So it
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Speaker 1: had a lot of a lot of descriptive moments in
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Speaker 1: the movie that I enjoyed, and but the detail that's
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Speaker 1: what really uh took me back. The detail of what
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Speaker 1: was what he was trying to accomplish, the lead actor
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Speaker 1: is trying to accomplish. Talk about that, is that something
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Speaker 1: personal or where did the detail come from? Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: mean in my real life, the sort of jumping off
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Speaker 1: point in front of the family was really like my
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Speaker 1: my grandfather started her furniture story Compton in the fifties
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Speaker 1: when my grandfather had a stroke and couldn't run at
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Speaker 1: full time. My father would happen to be a college time.
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Speaker 1: My father thought out of college, could no questions to
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Speaker 1: ask and took over the business. And I was the
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Speaker 1: next son in lawn to do that. And I didn't
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Speaker 1: really want to do that. I wanted to be a
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Speaker 1: writer and do other things. And so again I wanted
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Speaker 1: to talk about again like that that angle. And so
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Speaker 1: I knew when I wanted when I was writing the
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Speaker 1: story that I wanted one part of the family studies
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Speaker 1: to be a family business, to be sort of more
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Speaker 1: blue collar. Um. And so that's sort of how I
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Speaker 1: got to barbecue. And I knew I wanted the son
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Speaker 1: to do something that was a little bit more elevated
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Speaker 1: and creative and the way that I was doing something,
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Speaker 1: and I just felt writing would be kind of visually
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Speaker 1: not really that interesting. Um. And I took a trip
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Speaker 1: to Paris for a cousin's wedding decoration wedding, and I
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Speaker 1: didn't even drink wine at the time, but I was like,
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Speaker 1: if I'm ever gonna like wine, it kind of has
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Speaker 1: to happen here, you know. It's like if you go
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Speaker 1: to New Orleans, and don't like go Bo to New Orleans.
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Speaker 1: You just maybe you just don't like go Bo. So
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Speaker 1: I was like, Paris is the spot for wine and
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Speaker 1: so if I don't like to hear and so I
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Speaker 1: took a class and the guy made it really easy
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Speaker 1: to understand one and what I was drinking. And I said, oh,
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Speaker 1: like this should maybe be what the sun should want
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Speaker 1: to do. This is kind of cool. And that's really
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Speaker 1: how I stumbled into that arena. And I was watching
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Speaker 1: documentaries and movies about songs and things like that, and
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Speaker 1: it just became and obviously as you think about your
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Speaker 1: like food and wine or digital pairings, and the way
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Speaker 1: that the father obsessed about the wood is the same
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Speaker 1: way that people obsessed about the grapes, and they became
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Speaker 1: obviously very um you know, things that became connectors in
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Speaker 1: the movie um once. But that's sort of how I
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Speaker 1: found the world of wine. Well you know that I'm
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Speaker 1: talking to the writer, director, and producer of Uh. I
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Speaker 1: would say, hot, new movie there's on Netflix. I know
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Speaker 1: we all in these pandemic TI. I would say hot
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Speaker 1: because I watched it twice. I see you just get
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Speaker 1: you know, I really loved the movie because my wife.
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Speaker 1: She's a kind of seue of wine. Okay. So when
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Speaker 1: I when I watched the movie at my office, I went, man,
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Speaker 1: that the detail, you know that because he wanted to
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Speaker 1: be a wine Somalia right and uh, and so that
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Speaker 1: was his goal. His dad was, like you said, Uh,
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Speaker 1: his father was a barbecue owner. He dropped out of
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Speaker 1: school to be to take over the business, even though
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Speaker 1: he wanted to be a teacher. And then all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden that he didn't want to do it, just
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Speaker 1: like you had in real life. You didn't want to
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Speaker 1: do the furniture store. He wanted to be He wanted
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Speaker 1: to be a condiseue of wine. He wanted to be
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Speaker 1: and like he said, as a as a very exclusive
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Speaker 1: club to be able to accomplish that task. And so
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Speaker 1: so if I watched that, so I went. So I
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Speaker 1: came home and said, I said, baby, uh, I want
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Speaker 1: you to watch this movie because the detail in this
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Speaker 1: movie about this wine because I don't drink wine, and
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Speaker 1: so and so she was so so so you know,
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Speaker 1: but I'm just amazed at the detail. Thats what I'm
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Speaker 1: going on. And we're not talking about the how you
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Speaker 1: were setting up the barbecue and chopping it up that
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Speaker 1: that whole world, because that's my world right there. When
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Speaker 1: you're talking about Memphis. You I'm from Houston, Texas. I'm
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Speaker 1: a Texas boy. Grew up my nephew. He's one of
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Speaker 1: the best bobbycue people. Yeah, he one of the best
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Speaker 1: barbecue people in Houston, Texas. He got a little side
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Speaker 1: stand recognized her. He was on Kelly Clarkson for barbecue,
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Speaker 1: and so I know about barbecue. And so when I'm
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Speaker 1: watching the detail of the barbecue and then I'm watching
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Speaker 1: the detail on the whin, I'm going like, who is
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Speaker 1: this guy? You know, I said, Wow, the details. So
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Speaker 1: just talk about your attention to detail, Mr Penny. I
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Speaker 1: gotta respect Mr Penny. You missed a penny on this show. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I'm gonna call you Mr.
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Speaker 1: Big Daughter. Okay, yeah, I mean yeah, you know, I
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Speaker 1: mean we didn't like we don't keep it like that
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Speaker 1: and uh but no, I mean, you know obviously, you know,
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Speaker 1: I worked you know, on my other show from Insure,
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Speaker 1: Like I've worked with a lot of amazing actors. When
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Speaker 1: you learn a lot from you know, you know, like
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Speaker 1: you know, you just learned like from people who just
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Speaker 1: by how they work. And so that was one thing
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Speaker 1: that I felt like the movie had to be a
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Speaker 1: super spot on about it. It was like, like, you know,
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Speaker 1: Memphis is one of the how equated like the Mount
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Speaker 1: Russian cities the barbecue rights. So you got there. Surely
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Speaker 1: you have Texas barbecue, you have you know those Carolina barbecue,
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Speaker 1: you have this Is barbecue, and you have kind of
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Speaker 1: you know St. Louis, Kansas City barbue, kind of like
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Speaker 1: the barbecue. You know what I'm saying. The barbecue had
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Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, I mean it's real, right, And so
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Speaker 1: so I knew because the obviously in the movie that
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Speaker 1: the barbecue has to be so serious because that's the
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Speaker 1: dad is placed as a premium. I like, how important
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Speaker 1: the family business. So it's not just like you're doing
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Speaker 1: barbecue in l A. It's like you're doing barbecue a
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Speaker 1: place where like that's it's everything for us, and it's
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Speaker 1: it takes care of our family. It's more than just
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Speaker 1: the barbecue, right and so um so to me that
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Speaker 1: that just had to be official and so we Enlisten,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of Memphis barbecue places that are especially
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Speaker 1: black family places, like we called cozy corner um, you know,
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Speaker 1: barbecue shop. The places that we hired. A lot of
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Speaker 1: the background actors that actually have lines all worked in
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Speaker 1: barbecue spots. And so because I needed them to know
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Speaker 1: what they were doing versus like having kind of extras
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Speaker 1: coming in not really knowing what they were doing, they
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Speaker 1: had looked like they knew. It was important that all
10:23
Speaker 1: the background people know what they were doing, and so
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Speaker 1: that was grand. Then conversely, in the wine world, like
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Speaker 1: we had what one of our actors who played one
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Speaker 1: of the black song teachers is amazing black son named
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Speaker 1: d Lynn, who was also a part of the inspiration
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Speaker 1: for the movie too, and and so obviously to have
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Speaker 1: him read the script and and really be teaching me
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Speaker 1: as I was writing the script about wine and things
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Speaker 1: like that. And obviously on the set we had another
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Speaker 1: wine person they running rat issues like our on set person,
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Speaker 1: like our day to day to make sure everything worked
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Speaker 1: and make sure everything looks a hundred percent official in
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Speaker 1: terms of how they hold their labs, how they you know, smell,
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Speaker 1: how they taste, and how they how they do everything
11:02
Speaker 1: you know, was so again that level of detail because
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Speaker 1: if you don't believe it, then you're just not going
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Speaker 1: to be into the movie. And and and the fun
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Speaker 1: part about it is that you used up and this
11:13
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Speaker 1: You know, it's like he's like, you know, your your humor,
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Speaker 1: your writing style, man is dead on. But again you
11:36
Speaker 1: gotta have the talent to be to pull that off.
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Speaker 1: And you're casting and was dead on man dead on?
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Speaker 1: I I would know. I won't tell the movie, but
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Speaker 1: the Nissy Nash relationship, uh, just coming out there just
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Speaker 1: just niece is just brilliant. And uh and then according
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Speaker 1: to advanced his role as uh as a dad man
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Speaker 1: that he if any black man is over for you,
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Speaker 1: I mean they're just also great. And see I got
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Speaker 1: a peak that this movie was coming down the line
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Speaker 1: because I had a young mentor young man I mentioned
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Speaker 1: when he was an actor way back in the day
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Speaker 1: when he was trying to act with a sister sister.
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Speaker 1: His name was Dotari Turner. And yeah, yeah, he came
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Speaker 1: on My show man. He told me about the movie, said, Rashawn,
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Speaker 1: when it comes out, he's gonna mess you up. It's
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Speaker 1: really good movie. And and he says, this is the
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Speaker 1: a good story. Great castinge and you guys did a
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Speaker 1: wonderful job off and and more blessings. I put I
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Speaker 1: you know, just to just to carry the brand of excellence.
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Speaker 1: And again I'm recommending everybody, uh to see this movie.
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Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna see it again because I'm a type
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Speaker 1: of person. I'll sit down, tell you I watch it again.
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Speaker 1: Come on, I watch again. That's how good it is.
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Speaker 1: I watched again. Let's let's go to the see your
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Speaker 1: other serious it's just you know, just got renewed. Let
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Speaker 1: know checks are coming. That's a beautiful thing. Come on,
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Speaker 1: come on, brother in the world. You know entertainment man,
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Speaker 1: you can't buy a house wondering that. I just rent,
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Speaker 1: I just a lease because they say episodes, but I
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Speaker 1: wait and buying the cash after the episodes and finished that.
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Speaker 1: The girls, man, they mad at each other. They but
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk to the show, but I'm not gonna
17:02
Speaker 1: give away the show. But this has been a dynamic
17:05
Speaker 1: season man for for the relationship of the Ivan and
17:12
Speaker 1: so talk about the steps of Oh, you know, because
17:15
Speaker 1: I got a feeling I know where it's going because
17:16
Speaker 1: I'm an old school writer, you know what I'm saying.
17:19
Speaker 1: But when I saw her coming coming down at that
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Speaker 1: line of the promos when she's on vacation, I go,
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Speaker 1: I think I know where this is going. And uh
17:27
Speaker 1: but yeah, okay, but you know about but but you know,
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Speaker 1: it's about relationship I can think about. I think you're
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Speaker 1: very gifted at that, you know, and being able to
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Speaker 1: write characters that are very human and normal and make decisions.
17:45
Speaker 1: But this is what I'm complimenting you on um Insecure
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Speaker 1: is a very millennial type urban show. And then on
17:56
Speaker 1: Court it's a family drama. Language is not even close
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Speaker 1: to the language and Insecure and you are naturally pulling
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Speaker 1: that off. That's a gift, my friend. You know, I
18:07
Speaker 1: was a sitcom writer. I was talented, but believe me,
18:11
Speaker 1: my skills didn't even come close to your life. I
18:13
Speaker 1: could write a script, but you got a gift man.
18:16
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna sit on this show and act
18:18
Speaker 1: like me being a sitcom right and you being a
18:20
Speaker 1: sitcom right, that we were the same you are, your
18:23
Speaker 1: skills said, is a blessing. And I got and I
18:25
Speaker 1: get to see it every Sunday night on HBO, and
18:28
Speaker 1: I got to get to see it probably gonna be
18:30
Speaker 1: a third time on on Court on Netflix. Talk about
18:33
Speaker 1: the whole process of being a show runner, your staff,
18:36
Speaker 1: because we all know you don't do it by yourself,
18:38
Speaker 1: and that amazing cast that you have with Insecure. Yeah,
18:43
Speaker 1: I mean it really is a team that. I mean,
18:45
Speaker 1: it really is a team effort. I mean we've been
18:48
Speaker 1: each and I have been super blessed too. You know,
18:50
Speaker 1: we like mostly had the same writers from the from
18:54
Speaker 1: the first season, and so I think that brings like
18:57
Speaker 1: a level of you know, people being super like familiar
19:00
Speaker 1: with how we want to tell the stories and and
19:02
Speaker 1: the way to tell stories and what works and what
19:04
Speaker 1: doesn't work on our show, but still offering you know,
19:06
Speaker 1: fresh new insight and fresh takes on it, uh, And
19:09
Speaker 1: so I think that and obviously we have an amazing
19:11
Speaker 1: kind between you know jay Evan Andsa of course, and
19:15
Speaker 1: you know Amanda Seals, you know Natasha rock Well. I
19:18
Speaker 1: mean so many amazing again, so much amazing kindly that
19:21
Speaker 1: it just makes our job easier. And I always say, like,
19:23
Speaker 1: when you first create a show, you know, the first
19:26
Speaker 1: the hardest part at the beginning is like you sort
19:28
Speaker 1: of write the character of the suit and then but
19:31
Speaker 1: it's kind of off the rack. And the longer the
19:33
Speaker 1: care longer the actors sits from the character, you start
19:35
Speaker 1: tailoring the suit for the actors, so not a suit.
19:38
Speaker 1: It's better because the actors getting more comfortable with the character,
19:43
Speaker 1: you know, the writers getting more comfortable with the characters,
19:45
Speaker 1: and then you get to get get deepers of the
19:47
Speaker 1: character um and you can see like like to nuance it.
19:51
Speaker 1: So it's been honestly, it's been a blessing to be
19:53
Speaker 1: able to And you're absolutely right that that first season
19:56
Speaker 1: of character development is rough because you don't really know
20:00
Speaker 1: the relationships. But when you're into this fourth to go
20:03
Speaker 1: into the fifth, you know, now you have the actors
20:06
Speaker 1: coming up, and you didn't say something like that. I
20:07
Speaker 1: wouldn't say that that's not my cats, you know what,
20:14
Speaker 1: I'm telling the truth that because Yeah, they bought into
20:19
Speaker 1: what you've created, and then all of a sudden they
20:21
Speaker 1: want to keep it on course because of the fact
20:23
Speaker 1: that that's why the characters are natural, and that's why
20:25
Speaker 1: I buy into the anger that's happening between the two characters,
20:30
Speaker 1: and and and it's gonna build up to I'm pretty
20:33
Speaker 1: sure a tremendous season finale because of the fact that
20:37
Speaker 1: it's relatable. I this is why I love it. Because
20:40
Speaker 1: it's on HBO. There's not on Beach is nothing slam
20:42
Speaker 1: on Beat is not on It's on HBO. We know
20:45
Speaker 1: that's a dominant white network that's being renewed. That means
20:49
Speaker 1: that the content that you're live delivering is relatable to everybody.
20:53
Speaker 1: It's good quality content, and that's all you want as
20:56
Speaker 1: as a talent. You want to you want you want
20:58
Speaker 1: your your information to be welcomed by everybody, not to
21:01
Speaker 1: be pigeonholed, you know. And that's brilliant. I've been blessed
21:05
Speaker 1: the season to see chairs today are able to do
21:08
Speaker 1: a name. I've been blessed to see to see your
21:11
Speaker 1: movie Uncorked. Uh. Every Sunday night. I'm enjoying HBOS Insecure
21:18
Speaker 1: my friend. Uh. I just wanted to bring on the
21:20
Speaker 1: show and say, hey, brother, you're younger than me I I,
21:23
Speaker 1: which is great. That means that, uh, you know, the
21:26
Speaker 1: spike leads in the world are getting up there, and
21:28
Speaker 1: I feel that our future in the directing and the
21:32
Speaker 1: writing and the producing business and the film and television,
21:36
Speaker 1: it's gonna be all right. Thank you well, I appreciate
21:41
Speaker 1: I'm glad to be here. Thank you so much. Well.
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