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The Ali Act, Jake Paul, and Tank · Boxing B-Sides

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Dude, eating three triple burgers, you're getting
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the fucking clap. Jesus Christ. Dan Raphael.
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Dan Raphael. Oh, man. Joined by the homies Saul
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and Josh. How are you guys doing? We're good.
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We're good, we're good. We also have our special
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guest. Yeah, it's a crossover episode with Isaac.
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Here we go again. The rematch. Still not quite
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the B -sides versus casuals 2v2. But we all know
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that B -Side wins because it's boxing, so, you
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know. And boxing, yeah. Hey, we got tears. I
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do love me some boxing. I do love me some boxing.
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Yeah, you'd be surprised at how much boxing chatter
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goes on over there. Yeah. I will be honest, though.
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I will be honest that UFC these past couple weeks
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hasn't mattered in boxing, though. I will say.
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I got to hand it to you guys. Bro, this month,
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August, has been dire for boxing. It's been the
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most dire month of boxing in probably years,
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dude. Honestly. It's been a long time. I don't
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know, man. Matchroom Fight Camp was probably
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the worst month I've ever had in my life of boxing.
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When Eddie Hearn did that bullshit in his backyard.
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Since the pandemic, yeah. Okay, this is the worst.
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This is the worst. I was going to say, Fight
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Camp... This is horseshit. They tried to pretend
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that Alan Babbage was going to be... We got Alan
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Babbage's rise where he proposed to his girlfriend
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and shit after beating some drunk guy who was
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sitting in a food truck 30 minutes before he
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got out there. I mean, it's just a symptom of
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a changing sport right now. That's why it's kind
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of bad right now. Top Brain can't put on any
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shows. Bold and Boy lacks, you know, fighters
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to put on shows. Bold and Boy lacks everything.
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Yeah, they lack everything. Matchroom, their
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fighters just recently fought, or they're going
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to be put on a rehab season fight. You know,
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it was all downhill. It was all downhill when
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Triller went out of business. That's when it
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was downhill. That's a deep cut. The real Nexus
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one. I can't. I heard. Angela would say BLK crime
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on a podcast that's been stuck in my head for
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years at this point. Well, I think we must be
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woke then because we would never say that type
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of shit. Yeah, we're left -wing grifting, guys.
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We would never say BLK crime. Yeah. BLK crime.
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Who would say that? No one would ever say that
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to describe a shady money laundering front that
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would give Terrence Crawford more money than
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God. That is fucking nutty. We're going to get
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fucking canceled. Saul, you mentioned symptoms
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of a changing sport. So I wanted to ask the Ali
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Act. What are they calling it? The Ali Revival?
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Boxing Revival Act now? The changes that they're
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proposing to it? The Muhammad Ali Boxing Revival
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Act. There it is. Some bullshit. It actually
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is bullshit. It is an attempt to screw over the
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fighters. It's very blatant. That's what it's
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trying to do. This is trying to change it to,
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like, the UFC model, right? Yeah. Yeah, there's
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going to be a minimum, but it also basically
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gets rid of the, like, your promoter can't be
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your manager shit. That was the whole purpose
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of the act to begin with. It's bullshit, you
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know? I don't know why they're trying to change
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that shit. It's like, it basically throws out,
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like, the... I think the boxing fan misunderstands
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the purpose. The average boxing fan misunderstands
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the purpose of the Muhammad Ali Act. Because
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it's just like... The purpose isn't like a universal
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act to help fighters. It's like a very specific
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law meant to protect fighters from something
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that's screwed over Muhammad Ali specifically.
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And it's a really good act. Yeah, like the whole...
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Like, the whole point of your manager not being
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able to be your promoter as well is because it's
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so you can have two A, two voices, as well as
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your own, and so you don't get fucked. Like,
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your manager is supposed to be in your best interest
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and your promoter isn't. Yeah. But when they're
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the same person, usually you get fucked over.
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You have to fight Larry Holmes when you're fucking...
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You have to fight Larry Holmes and Trevor Burbick
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when you belong in a fucking literal care facility.
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Exactly. Tim Witherspoon getting dragged out
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of fucking rehab to fight a world title fight.
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Larry Holmes basically made no fucking money
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his whole career because of this guy. This act
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exists not because... The whole pretense is like...
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The reason why they're probably going to end
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up passing the revival act is because people
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don't know what the purpose of the original is.
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Not even that. It's just they know why it's connected
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to the White House. Yeah. No, but just, like,
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in terms of the, like, court of public opinion,
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I guess. Because, like, so many people would
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just be like, see, fighters aren't protected
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enough by the Muhammad Ali act. And I'm like,
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no, that's not the point of it. The point is
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so Bob Arum can't go, hey, I'm going to kill
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your whole family if you don't fight. I don't
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care that you're on drugs. They've been talking
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about, we're going to make sure fighters have
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full coverage insurance. I've seen it in the
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UFC, man. The TKO thing, Dana White crossing
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over into boxing. I've seen it, man. The pay
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model is not good over there. They make a really
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low percentage of the total revenue. It's not
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good. Even the new minimum that they're going
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to institute is lower than the actual minimum
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in most states. Yeah. The minimum in most states
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is a little lower than the proposed minimum in
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the bill, but state minimums are after taxes.
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versus the minimums that are proposed in the
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bill where like let's say you take home 900 bucks
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before for like a three or four rounder but that's
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after taxes you take that home the way the the
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bill structured is like okay it's a minimum thousand
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bucks but then you have to pay taxes on all of
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it is the take home does that include like paying
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your coach and your cornerman and all that no
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no so like so like like the whole part of the
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argument used by like the tko stuff is oh these
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guys only take home like 750 bucks for fighting
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and i'm like but that's after everything's paid
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for in some way because the state ensures that
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right yeah and your man you have a manager who
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is not your promoter who is acting in your best
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interest. Right, the promoter acts in the best
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interest of the event. Themselves. Right. But
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the way the bill is structured, which is why
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the UFC is so fucked, is that the promoter and
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the manager are the exact same. The manager is
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going to say, you're taking this cut, I'm basically
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pocketing the rest. It is in the combined manager
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-promoter's best interest to fuck you. I mean,
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like you said, this is the issue. Not enough
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people know what the act really is. So it's just
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going to get blown by. People go, oh, Al -Hayman
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violates the Muhammad Ali act. But the thing
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is, all these fighters have managers that then
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work through Hayman. Hayman is a manager for
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some, right? Yeah, but then... Then you have
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your, like, Lou DiBella. Like, then there's other
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promoters. It's never... He's never in the same...
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Samson, DiBella, yeah, Loeffler even, yeah. All
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these guys... So that's what I mean. Like, because
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of the act, it's not... Al Heyman is shaking
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hands with himself on something. Right. He sits
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at one end of the table only. Even if they all
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have a cooperative relationship, the fighters
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still end up getting the best deal they can.
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as a result of this act. And we're just going
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to turn that on its head. This is what fucking
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Dana White's been waiting for, right? Yeah, like
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he basically turns boxing into a fucking Walmart
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job. In my opinion, I think TKO's is going to
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become another boxing promotional company. Either
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that or it's going to become like OTX. But it's
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a net negative. if they get the act passed, though,
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just because, like, let's assume, like, let's
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assume PBC and, like, Al Heyman stay, like, with
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the, like, the moral, like, well, mostly moral
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cooperative arrangement they have, where, like,
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he doesn't sit at both sides of the table at
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one time. But, like, obviously, like, like, Frank
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Warren and Bob Arum, it's the good old days again.
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And, like... They're creaming at the thought
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of that shit. Yeah, like, Bob Arum will live
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another 20 years off of the fucking souls he
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steals with those renegotiated contracts. Like,
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that's what I mean, though. There's some guys
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who, like... Notice the silence of Bob Arum right
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now when it comes to this ad. Yeah, all the promoters
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are quiet. Yeah. Like, PVC is, like, traditionally
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quiet. They don't, like, again, they're going
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to, the assumption, at least my assumption, is
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that they're just going to continue operating
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how they have been because, like, this relationship,
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the relationship of, like, fighter, manager,
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promoter for the last, like, 20 years has brought
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them more cash than anyone else in the sport.
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In revenue. So there's no reason to fix what
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ain't broke. But I'm saying some of these other
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promoters are just like, they're quiet because
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if it passes, it's not just Dana who's going
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to show up and reinvent the wheel. Everyone else
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is just going to revert to, yeah, you're getting
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paid potato chips and fighting who I want you
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to when I want you to. Do you think we will see
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a TKO belt be made within the next five years?
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Oh, fuck no. Yes. Yes, but not in a way that,
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like, matters. You think it would be, like, IBO
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type? Like, just not legitimate? Not even IBO
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type. It's, like, how... Below that, even. Like...
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Because it won't even be, like, a regional belt
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type thing. It's, like, those flashy, like...
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Like, the YouTuber belt stuff. Like, the Misfits
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belt. Oh, like the Aztec belt. Yeah, like it's
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a ceremonial belt. You know how they do the BMF
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belt? Yeah. Yeah, that's basically the equivalent
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for it. They're going to get, like, two guys
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who just do fucking rock 'em, sock 'em robots
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who aren't great to fight each other, and they're
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going to be like, this is the best fighter. Or
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this is the most exciting fighter. UFC's already
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put their hands in boxing already, dude. Fucking
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Dana White with the bypass. Yeah, but it's basically
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just more shit to put on Fight Pass so he doesn't
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have to fill those dates. That's different. And
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the boxing that's on Fight Pass is run by the
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promoters that are signed to it. Yeah. 360 Promotions.
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They put the events on. So the pay and stuff
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is not... It's basically Dana White... paying
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those guys for the license to put it on Fight
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Pass so he doesn't have to fill dates and content.
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It's not Dana White directly organizing it. So
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this one, he's going to be like building it.
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Yeah. Isaac, how do you feel about, and be honest,
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be honest. We won't clown you or anything. Be
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completely honest. How do you feel about Dana
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White being in boxing? Dude, I mean, this is,
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I mean, I'll be the first one to say, dude, I
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hate Dana White. He does in UFC, like it's, like,
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I mean, I sort of am worried about boxing. I've
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seen how he's completely like whitewashed the
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sport of MMA. I mean, just complete, complete
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like monopoly. The fighter pay super low. I mean,
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the UFC, the quality of UFC content has been
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going down the drain in, you know, in recent
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years. It's just, everything just feels like.
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It's just like sanitized almost. It's just like,
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you know, not really like any vibes to it. I'm
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sort of worried what he's going to do to boxing.
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Yeah, yeah. What's weird, weirdly enough, what
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White ended up... The weird clash that is kind
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of like, at least it's a little obvious to me
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that is going to end up happening, is going to
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be that Dana's going to run shit like he does
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in the UFC and into the ground in terms of entertainment
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quality. But remember that, like, Turkey isn't
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here to make money. He's here to play with his
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action figures. So I think that's where the disconnect's
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gonna happen, because Dana's gonna be trying
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to make money from these events, and Turkey's
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gonna be like, what the fuck? Why aren't my action
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figures fighting? Well, I will say this, that
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fucking these first, this first TKO event, dude,
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is fucking ass. It is so buns. Seriously. Like,
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they have... I'm not saying he's playing with
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his... I'm not saying Turkey is good at playing
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with his action figures. We saw that. We're seeing
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this with the ring events. I understand. This
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guy is... I'm just talking about the event itself.
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Yeah. No, it's dog shit. It is dog shit. They
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have Colin Walsh fighting Fernando Vargas as
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the co -main. The co -main event, rather than
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Christian Ability versus Lester Martinez, which
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is a really good fight, I would say. Very good.
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But they have fucking Kyle Walsh versus Fernando
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Vargas Jr., a fucking Marv Nation fighter. A
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goddamn Marv Nation fighter. I'm not saying Turkey
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is any good at playing with his action figures,
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but at some point, Turkey will want to continue
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playing with his action figures, and Dana will
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want to cut down on pay and shit, and then that's
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the disconnect. Because then you're not going
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to be able to track any fighters. Yeah, like
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you can't just throw money and make your action
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figures fight. You're going to actually have
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to think and make it work. And I don't think
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Turkey wants to do that, but Dana will. That's
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where the disconnect is going to happen. I think
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Dana's doomed to fail in boxing just because
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the horse he's hitched his wagon to is literally
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only here to play with action figures and nothing
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else. It's sad. It's very sad. Like, if Dana
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hitched his ride with, like, Blatnovik, for example,
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like, back when Blatnovik was bankrolling Matrim
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USA and shit, that's when you would have seen
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this be a much more disastrous occurrence. Because
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Blatnovik actually wanted to make money back.
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Eventually, by building up... He put his faith
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in Eddie Hearn, so it didn't work out. But Blatnovik's
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end goal was to build up Matchroom USA and DAZN
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as a power broker in boxing and make that money
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back. And, like, we go from paying fighters a
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lot to very little. I don't think it'll happen
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here just because, like, the Russian oligarchs
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can run out of money. Until Saudi Arabia runs
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out of oil and slaves, the money is literally
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endless. Damn. And that's where Dana White's
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going to fail, just because Turkey would rather
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his name be praised by nerds on Reddit and Twitter
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for making a fight happen than to save... the
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money because at the end of the day it's like
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it's a it's a pr project and not uh it's a pr
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project that he happens to be invested in within
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the way like a 13 year old's invested in fights
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rather than like a business the business is the
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oil are we serious Not really. We are definitely
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conspiracy theorists, but it makes sense, right?
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Putting it this way, that Dana won't succeed
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now, but he could have succeeded when DAZN was
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starting up. That's true. Just because, yeah,
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the way I've been describing the bubble bursting
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isn't in the sport is doomed way. It's in Turkey
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gets bored and leaves. The sport just needs to
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be lifted up with a couple TV deals. Again. I
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feel like with fucking TKO, the biggest problem
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is he's going to be fighting talent. Because
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in all honesty, I really doubt that they're going
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to be getting any good talent, any exciting talent
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that they can make stars. Because the other promotional
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companies that have been here for decades now
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are struggling already to find stars. It also
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doesn't help that, like, everyone knows about
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Dana White and, like, because, like, the scam
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with Don King is that, like, despite all of what
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he does with fighters, like, he has his glory
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days where he ran the sport, right? So he can
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pull the scam on someone very stupid being like,
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look, I can take you to these heights. I've done
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it before. But with Dana White, his entire career
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has been boxing is dead, boxing is dead, boxing
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is dead. So, like, I don't think any, like, star
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is stupid enough to fall for it with Dana White
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compared to Don King. I feel like even Jake Paul
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is a better fucking mother than... That's true.
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But that's because Jake Paul... Jake, like, say
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what you will about Jake Paul, though, because,
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like, he doesn't have to invest in women's boxing
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and all things. He totally could have just bought
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a bunch of young prospects. He does have a prospect
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series. He does, but I'm saying in terms of,
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like, the headlining. Oh, right. Like, he could
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have totally purchased, like, at the point where
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he was starting up, Boots was a pretty cheap
20:53
contract. Virgil was a pretty, like, these guys
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had pretty, like, Boots was a pretty cheap contract
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because he was fight by fight with PBC. Virgil,
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I don't know. He was the golden boy. Yeah, so
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you could have probably bought him out, honestly.
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Yeah. Young guys like fucking Schofield. You
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pick up all the third rack young, exciting guys
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and you start a promotion if you're Jake Paul
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and have that money. But instead, he decided
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to actually build a superior product. He has
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most of women's boxing in his stable. So that's
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what I mean. It's very good and impressive that
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he took his time building a quality promotion
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in a pretty ethical way when realistically he
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probably could have just bought his way in. Yeah.
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I may have that wrong though. Jake Paul is one
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of the more ethical. Promoters in the sport,
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I will say. Yeah. I think the only complaint
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I've seen is, like, Ashton Sylvie being like,
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they released me after I lost horribly. And slammed
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the guy who won. And I'm like, that's just the
22:16
business sometimes. Unfortunately, that's the
22:18
business sometimes. I mean, that's what they
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did with Anthony Sims Jr. But the thing is that
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the complaint is that they released him. Not
22:28
that they didn't pay him or blacklist him or
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anything. Well, no, they did kind of blacklist
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Anthony Simms Jr. just a little bit. No, I'm
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saying the complaint for us, Ashton Silvey, about
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MVP. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like, if you think about
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it, all they did is say, hey, you're not an MVP
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fighter anymore, and it's not like we're not
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paying you. And, like, you know, the usual we're
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not paying you, you're blacklisted, don't even
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show up to your gym. Back in the old days. That
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is cooked. MVP is rather ethical. I'm not against
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Jake Paul in the sport. I'll sit through the
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bullshit if it means we have another promoter
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that actually has some vision in the space. He's
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done a crazy amount for women's boxing. I mean,
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it was on a Netflix card. I mean, they do big
23:31
events. I mean, that was insanely massive. And
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it's not like he only sticks, like, Serrano on
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his undercards. Like, he literally specifically
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let her shine in three events. As well as promoting
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other women on his cards. Like, now he has, he
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signed Savannah Marshall, right? Most recently.
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And Terry Harper. Alicia Baumgartner. That too.
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You have all of women's boxing. It's good. Let's
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move to Tank and his charges being dropped. Domestic
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violence. Yeah. I'm not sure what else to say
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besides what a piece of shit. Yeah. The thing
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is, I feel like he still did it. Which time?
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He's done it in the past. History would support
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that, yeah. He already has a case. It's on the
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video, too, where he's choking that one woman
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out of the basketball game. I don't know. I don't
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know. Tank sucks. He's still probably the most
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entertaining watch in our sport. I disagree.
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In terms of, like, atmosphere for the fights?
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I'm not saying in terms of pure fighting style.
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I'm saying just, like, as an event. Yeah, I mean,
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he's still a big star. He's a big star. I don't
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know. I mean, number -wise, I think... Just as
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an event, like, you don't need to build under...
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Like, everyone else, you still have to sort of
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build an undercard. Tank, you don't have to build
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an undercard. Yeah, I mean, as soon as I started,
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he was probably one of the biggest stars in the
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sport, of course. You just don't have to build.
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An atmosphere, like, I think, honestly, I hate
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to say it, but, like, I think those brick cards,
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dude, those brick, like, an Anthony Joshua fight,
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dude, they get fucking turned up, dude. Type
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shit, dude. Oh, they do. Yeah, dude. I don't
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know. The fights... I'm just considering, like,
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quality of the fighter, quality of the fight,
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and, like, the... like, the event. Because it's
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not just the event, it's, like, fight week and
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everything in Vegas or Baltimore or wherever.
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Yeah, we'll see. It kind of gives you, like,
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an old feeling, like how it used to be back in
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the day. Yeah, like, Tank is a bit of an old
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-school star. You don't even, like, again, just
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the fact that, like, you can say there's a Tank
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fight on this day, you don't have to give a fuck
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about the undercard. Yeah. Like, even with, like,
26:16
Canelo, AJ, you still, like, you still, like,
26:19
ah, the undercard's really fucking stinky. Maybe
26:22
I don't buy that, right? No. With Tank? No, but
26:29
even for us, if they say, yeah, Tank's fighting
26:33
Roach again, we're watching it. Oh, yeah, for
26:36
sure. Numbers -wise. Canelo Crawford, for comparison,
26:40
we're here. We just complained about how Mbili
26:44
isn't higher up on the card. I'm still going
26:50
to watch the fight. That's an amazing fight.
26:52
Yeah, but it's a dialogue. There's a dialogue
26:55
about the undercard that's present for these
26:58
other guys that is never present for Tank because
27:00
Tank is the show. He's the whole show. So as
27:05
much as Tank sucks, he's a very... His presence
27:11
kind of shows how a star should be. People like...
27:18
He has good undercards, but the thing is that
27:21
they're not stuck on to make it... They're not
27:26
necessary. They're not necessary. You could put
27:28
a bunch of British domestic title fights on a
27:32
fucking tank fight in Baltimore. And you know
27:36
what? It's still packed by the time he hits the
27:38
ring. Yeah. Yeah, sure. I don't think that's
27:44
something that any other fighter in the sport
27:46
has. You don't you just don't need you don't
27:51
even need to talk about the tank undercard. You
27:53
can say tank is fighting and The interest is
27:57
there. No, I disagree. I think you know is the
27:59
one that is the dominant I think it was a piece
28:02
of the sport frankly Numbers wise yes, but if
28:11
I'm saying in terms of like like You still care
28:15
about who Canelo's opponent is. You still care
28:17
about the undercard. With Tank, it's just Tank's
28:20
fighting. Well, we can't act like we weren't
28:22
complaining about Roach before the fight. I mean,
28:25
come on. Yeah, but we're still watching. Yeah,
28:28
we're still watching. I was still watching Canelo's
28:30
school. Yeah, no, I'm not saying Skull. I'm saying,
28:34
like, John Ryder and Berlanga. Like, I didn't
28:37
watch him fight John Ryder. That's what I mean.
28:42
You have to draw the line somewhere. But with
28:45
Tank, it's very... He would have to be fighting
28:48
grade schoolers for me to not tune in. The thing
28:54
is that I think you're kind of underestimating
28:56
the casual audience of the Mexican community.
28:59
They will turn up with Canelo no matter what.
29:01
They always turn up with Canelo. It's known when
29:04
Canelo fights. I don't know. I've had casual...
29:07
I don't know. it's i know it's highly anecdotal
29:10
but like casual friends in real life went from
29:13
like like they know whenever tank fights they
29:16
don't they won't know who the he's fighting they
29:19
didn't even know rolly when he fought rolly but
29:21
they knew tank was fighting but with canelo lately
29:24
it's like oh is he still fighting like no hopers
29:28
uh and it helps that like it the platform he's
29:33
on is not great either the platforms he's been
29:36
on which is part of it But I'm saying, like,
29:39
at this moment, like, a tank fight has more allure
29:42
than a Canelo fight. And, like, yeah, there was
29:46
a point a couple years ago where it was the opposite.
29:50
Basically, Canelo was the face, but you can only
29:55
do bum of the month so much while there's another
29:58
guy who... Matt, I can guarantee you that Canelo's
30:03
skull probably did just as much as Tank Roach.
30:08
I can guarantee you that. Yeah. And that's what
30:11
fucking William Skoll did. I mean, that's probably
30:14
the most unknown fighter that Camilo's ever faced.
30:19
Yeah, but he had a nice record, though. He stole
30:22
the face of the sport. People will come out to
30:23
watch him no matter what. No matter what, dude.
30:26
People are going to watch him. That's just how
30:28
it is. That's how it is. I know. For Mexicans,
30:30
we see that as an opportunity to have a day of
30:32
partying, you know? It's a party. I just don't.
30:38
I just think the broader American paying audience
30:42
is what I'm getting at, really. Because it's
30:47
just, like, Canelo fights seem like an inconvenience
30:51
now, not to watch, just because the undercard's
30:55
going to be shit. It's going to be under zone,
30:58
and they're going to trap me into a nine -month
31:00
contract where they refuse to let me cancel,
31:02
and I have to report them for fraud. I mean,
31:05
if you think about it, what was the last time
31:08
you think about a good fighter that, like, people
31:10
were actually excited for? It's Ryan, you know?
31:14
Well, you're just thinking, like, guys, well,
31:18
there's Ryan and Roach. People were excited for
31:20
Roach, man. Like, people show up. And Hector
31:24
Garcia, like, I'm not saying, like, hard cores.
31:27
I'm saying, like, guys I'm at work with. We'll
31:30
be like, I don't really want to watch the Canelo
31:33
fight. It's tough to watch. But, like, Tank's
31:36
fighting, they got it. They'll find illegal streams.
31:40
It's just, like, it's hard. It's largely anecdotal
31:43
on my end, but it's like Tank is the whole show.
31:49
Canelo is starting to have to need a good opponent.
31:53
I will say that I think where we're both at is
31:57
pretty biased because you... Where I live? is
32:00
mainly Hispanic, you know, Mexican community.
32:04
It doesn't... Every time Canelo fights, dude,
32:07
the grocery stores are packed. It doesn't help.
32:09
For one reason, one reason only. It doesn't help
32:12
the Mexican communities that, like, when I go
32:15
and visit Mexico, these guys fucking hate Canelo.
32:19
They're, like, the most Marco Antonio Barrera
32:21
and Salvador Sanchez glazers you'll ever see.
32:27
The big majority of Canelo's fanbase is Mexican
32:30
-Americans. I go to Mexico and visit my grandparents
32:34
and it's like, fuck, is that ginger fuck still
32:36
fighting? They're old school, you know? I miss
32:39
when a real fighter like Eric Morales was on
32:42
TV and you could watch him for free. Yeah, they're
32:47
just old school. They're just old school. But
32:49
that's what I mean, though. It's probably just
32:53
our lived experiences that lead us to... Similar
32:56
conclusions with different guys. I don't know.
32:59
What are the other posts at the call thing in
33:01
this pod? Do you guys think Canelo's bigger star
33:04
than Tank right now or what? Yes. Yeah, right
33:08
now, yeah. Like, numbers -wise, I think Canelo's
33:11
probably still doing the most numbers. I mean,
33:13
my main point wasn't - My main point - Oh, we
33:17
got a little lost. My main point was that, like,
33:19
as much Tank sucks as a person, the sport needs
33:22
him. No, yeah, we need all the stars we can get
33:25
no matter what. The sport really needs him because
33:28
he is the whole package as a star. And the controversy,
33:34
again, I hate to call it controversy. He's just
33:37
a fucking criminal. Yeah. But, like, the presence
33:40
in the sport is needed, unfortunately. That's
33:44
my main thing. Like, the sport needs him. I mean,
33:48
sports always had bad guys, you know. Sports
33:50
never had. There's been a time where there's
33:52
been ethical guys running around. Boxing, man.
33:55
It's guys who hit each other in the face with
33:57
promoters who try to pay them less at every opportunity.
34:01
That's just how it is. I think we've got to keep
34:05
it rolling here. Let's keep it rolling. I'll
34:12
let you go with that. Based on time... Well,
34:20
we can quickly go over the next item on the news
34:23
rumors and skip straight to previews because
34:25
there's literally nothing. Yeah. We can just
34:29
skip the break glass and save it. All right.
34:32
So there is some Japanese boxers are dying at
34:40
a pretty alarming rate. And the only move I've
34:47
seen so far is that the Japanese Boxing Commission
34:50
has lowered their regional title fights from
34:53
12 to 10 rounds. And that's about it. One of
34:58
the fighters that's currently, I think, in a
35:00
medically induced coma was on an 8 -rounder.
35:05
Yeah. The other one that died was on a 12, I
35:10
think, is the case. It's just a stark reminder
35:16
that this isn't a fucking game. Yeah, you don't
35:22
play this shit. This isn't a game. This is brutal,
35:28
man. The past a little bit of judgment from my
35:34
soapbox that we have the luxury of sitting on.
35:41
I don't think the issue is the rounds as much
35:44
as it is just the culture. Yeah, absolutely.
35:48
And I don't mean the culture of, like, never
35:51
say die in a fight, because if it was never say
35:54
die in a fight, then a lot of other, basically
35:58
everywhere but the United Kingdom would have
36:02
this issue, right? But the issues in the culture
36:10
and training, because those sparring death matches
36:14
all the time with little recovery time in between
36:19
sparring is what causes a lot of this. Because
36:24
if you just keep sparring and sparring and sparring
36:27
hard, when you're on a weight cut, your brain
36:31
literally has no opportunity to recover and rehydrate
36:35
before a fight. because of the sparring culture
36:40
even you get shook in sparring you know like
36:44
in the like i'm gonna say in the west we have
36:48
it's still bad sometimes like but we have a lot
36:52
relaxed sparring culture where first of all sparring
36:56
is you're not out to kill each other most of
36:59
the time yeah you're training you're training
37:02
you're getting better you're sharpening up but
37:04
even then you spar once twice a week You're not
37:09
sparring every single day of training to the
37:12
death, pretty much. And that's the difference.
37:15
You show up halfway to death's door, both from
37:19
your weight cut, from whatever damage you carry
37:22
from sparring, and the turnover between fights,
37:25
that gives you no chance to even recover. So
37:28
you're carrying, like, three, four consecutive
37:32
camps of weight on yourself. and your weight
37:37
cuts before stepping into the ring. And the culture
37:43
from a refereeing, coaching, and fighter standpoint
37:48
is to go out on your shield. So fundamentally,
37:54
I know it's big to say from a soapbox, and you
37:58
guys can disagree if you want, but the culture
38:00
around sparring needs to change in Japan. I agree.
38:05
I don't know how they would regulate. JBC is
38:11
very strict on this stuff. Whenever they put
38:15
their minds to something, they're extremely strict.
38:19
I'm sure there's some way to regulate. If you
38:23
don't want to regulate the intensity of sparring
38:25
because that's difficult, you can regulate the
38:29
amount of sparring that is done. the same way
38:34
they regulate like even the most minor drug offenses
38:39
and they used to regulate tattoos like they've
38:48
it's a lot it's like tracking sparring like amount
38:51
of times you spar is surely easier than regulating
38:54
whether a guy has a tattoo or not or who he associates
39:00
with in his free time or whether he's smoking
39:02
a joint in his house like it's a matter of willingness
39:09
to regulate and change the sparring culture and
39:13
i think part of the changes need to be like at
39:16
least for a period guys need to be more willing
39:18
to stop fights like the culture needs to change
39:22
too it's okay to live another day to change the
39:25
sparring culture But again, I don't have the
39:30
answers. We sit on, we sit in a soapbox across
39:33
the world. Armchair analysts. That's just my
39:38
point of view. Seeing, um, like having fought
39:44
in the amateurs, not really sparring that much
39:47
and not like having a relaxed, being part of
39:50
a relaxed sparring culture and then seeing how
39:54
they treat it over there. The only time sparring
39:57
ever got hard for me was when, like, if you're
40:00
doing something wrong, then, like, a bad habit,
40:03
that's how they break it, is, like, whenever
40:06
you don't pull your hand back into your guard,
40:10
and, you know, like, people on mitts, like, they'll
40:12
slap you on the face or something. Yeah. But
40:15
it's something like that. I think it was very,
40:18
for myself, it was mostly technical, light, like,
40:21
we're working on something specific sparring,
40:23
and then... very occasionally like basically
40:29
right as fight camp is peaking but enough time
40:32
they always gave us we always had two to three
40:34
weeks with no sparring before an amateur fight
40:37
like no like hard contact but right at the peak
40:42
we'd always like have a couple hard three round
40:45
spars just to like you know simulate fight momentum
40:52
But the recovery time was always there. And again,
40:56
if it got out of hand, it wasn't just I'm wailing
40:59
on a guy or I'm getting wailed on. The culture
41:03
was always you either pull it back, you lower
41:07
the intensity a bit, or you just put a plug in
41:09
it. And I think that's something that is absent
41:13
in the culture. Very well thought out hypothesis.
41:21
Yeah. Like, it's not provable because it's a
41:24
social thing, but if the JBC really wants to,
41:30
they need to start regulating how many times
41:32
guys spar. But anyways, any other thoughts, fellas?
41:41
I fully agree. I mean, hopefully for the fighters'
41:46
sake, they can make some changes, like meaningful
41:48
changes. Yeah. At this point in the last year
41:57
and a half, maybe two years, there have been
42:02
a handful of deaths. Something's got to change.
42:05
Something serious has to change. Do you guys
42:09
think there is going to be any change, though?
42:11
Honestly, no. I think I'm a little more optimistic
42:16
just because again, Japan is a more fair weather
42:23
culture, I'd say, like, as a country. I feel
42:28
like just the fact that two happened, like, this
42:31
incident was repeated on the same card. The same
42:36
way they regulate stuff like the tattoos and
42:39
who you associate with and, like, small things
42:43
like drinking and drugs and your PR stuff, the
42:47
JBC has a higher chance of taking it seriously
42:50
here. Just for optics. Well, shall we leave it
43:02
there? Yeah. Unless anybody else wants to throw
43:07
anything out. I mean, are we out of time? No,
43:13
we can keep going, but it's up to you. We got
43:17
previews to do. Just a few. Yeah. Okay. All right.
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all right previews it's fucking light um so starting
48:18
first wednesday august 20th in sydney australia
48:23
uh Let's see. There's a few on here. Jasmine
48:30
Parr is a lady prospect coming out of Australia.
48:37
Brock Jarvis, you may remember him. He's fighting
48:41
again. Michael Zaroffa, still doing it. And at
48:50
the top of the bill, the next great hope out
48:53
of Australia, Nikita Zu. Younger brother of Tim.
48:57
Okay, bro. Is he not the new hotness? Sam Goodman
49:04
was last week. But there you go. That's the No
49:12
Limit card. It'll be on... I'm not sure how to
49:16
watch it. StreamEast. That whatever letters they're
49:24
using. StreamEast .gd We're going to get banned
49:29
for saying that shit, right? No, no. I'm saying
49:33
hypothetically if I were going to pirate something
49:37
which I'm not because I live in Australia and
49:42
will pay for it legally I would not go to streameast
49:49
.gb slash boxing dash streams to access this
49:55
for free and I would not install uBlock Origin.
50:01
I also do not like women. Hey, you said it, not
50:08
me. Anyways. Allegedly. All right, let's keep
50:18
it rolling. Friday, August 22nd. This is the
50:22
prospect series for most valuable promotions.
50:26
This will be on DAZN. Don't necessarily know
50:31
who any of these people are. It should be a fun
50:34
card, though. The matchmaking is always pretty
50:38
good on these cards. Yeah. MVP doesn't pull punches.
50:44
It's not Pro Box good because Pro Box is the
50:47
fucking boom -boom saloon where, like, everything
50:50
is super evenly matched. Obviously, MVP wants
50:53
their prospects to win, but they're not slouches
50:56
either. Moving on. Man, it's not the heaviest
51:05
weekend. Saturday, August 23rd, Queensberry at
51:10
Planet Ice. No one's watching this. Jack Rafferty
51:17
versus Mark Chamberlain. That's your headline.
51:21
If you're Lin, you're definitely going to be
51:24
tuning in for all of it. I'm going to be cold
51:27
and dead in the ground before I watch this shit.
51:32
And once more, MVP at the Caribe Royale in Orlando.
51:39
This is not... This is their fight night series,
51:43
not the prospect. This is a good card. Yeah,
51:46
there's some good names on here. This is an actual
51:49
good card. Chris Avila and Ariel Perez should
51:53
be fun. Lucas Body on the watch. Weirdly enough,
52:01
I'm most interested in Jermaine Ortiz and Steve
52:05
Claggett. That I'm looking forward to. That's
52:09
for kids. That's actually pretty good. Jermaine
52:15
Ortiz should totally win that, but... Claggett
52:19
does put up a fight, at least. Very Trevor McCombie
52:25
-esque type guy. I think Claggett sounds like
52:28
such a throwback fighter, dude. Like someone,
52:30
Muhammad Ali was fighting. An OG. Yeah, an OG,
52:33
like, you know, like Jerry Cooley. Fuck is the
52:40
guy who inspired Rocky again? What's his name?
52:45
Not Billy Munn. Not Jerry Corey. Corey. Corey.
52:51
Ugly Jerry Corey. No, no. Chuck Wepner. Chuck
52:54
Wepner. Oh, Chuck Wepner. Chuck Wepner. Jerry
52:55
Corey is different. He did fight Ali and lose
52:58
miserably, but it was Chuck Wepner. Yeah. The
53:01
guy in the red and blue shorts. Yeah. Looking
53:08
at this, at the top two on the bill, it's a reminder
53:13
that Islander Spanish is fucking wild. Oh, yeah.
53:20
Yeah. So here are the names. Yankee El. And then
53:26
Yo Enes. Fucking on the previous one, on the
53:32
prospect card for MVP, Yo Elvis. What is happening
53:41
here? I don't know. I just don't get it, I guess.
53:48
But there you go. Man, that's all we got. That's
53:53
all the previews. It's like we said, August is
53:57
dire. Yeah. So we will see better days. Yeah,
54:05
it's all right. September should be good. September.
54:08
We'll be feasting from September to December,
54:10
I think. Yeah. At least one good fight a month.
54:14
You know? Yeah. I mean, in September, we got
54:17
at least Canelo. October, we got Virgil and Boots.
54:20
And then November, we got Homeboy. Vanavita.
54:26
Yeah. And then December, I have... I can scratch
54:31
my nuts, I guess. December, the... I mean, we
54:39
were just talking about it, but the Japanese
54:41
cards are usually really good. Actually, yeah,
54:43
the New Year's card is going to be fire. December,
54:47
Boxing Day, and New Year's. Always. They have
54:51
just a week -long fight festival. They do kickboxing,
54:56
boxing, wrestling. Man, the Japanese love their
55:03
fighters, man. They love fighting. I wish boxing
55:07
was like that over here. It would be really cool
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transform. All right. So it's a light weekend.
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Parting words. Isaac, kick us off here. Yeah,
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I mean, I'm just going to say, like, I've been
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through this. multiple times. I mean, it comes
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in waves. You know, you have like these really
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light weeks for stretchers, but Mike Salsa at
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the end of the year is going to be stacked. We
57:35
have a lot of good fights. We know November is
57:36
going to be good. September, we're going to have
57:40
boots in October. Virgil is coming back. I mean,
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just be patient. It comes in waves. We will be
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eating again. Yeah, I think the beginning of
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the year got us a little too fat. Oh, yeah. Anyone
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else parting words? Don't watch the Queensberry
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card on the 23rd. Please. Go outside for a walk.
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Do anything. Yeah, that'll be a good for us.
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I stole Josh's line, pro box good. Let's go for
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it, Schofield. No pro box this week, that's why.
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Still, pro box good. Agree, actually. Well, if
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that's it, then that's it for this edition of
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the Boxing B -Sides. We'll see you on the other
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side.