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The Transformative Power of Self-Reflection in Writing · The Living Conversation

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  I'm
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  Anthony
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  Wright
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  and
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  I
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  am
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  your
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  co
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  host
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  today
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  on
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  the
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  Living
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  Conversation
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  with
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  Adam
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  Dietz.
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  Welcome
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  back.
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  And
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  we're
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  here
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  with
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  our
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  guest,
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  Kristen
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  Swan.
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  And
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  before
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  the
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  break,
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  Kristen,
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  you
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  were
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  talking
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  about
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  a
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  journal
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  that
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  you
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  called
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  Spaghetti
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  on
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  the
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  Wall.
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  And
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  I,
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  I
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  wanted
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  to
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  reflect
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  that
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  I
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  had
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  a,
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  A
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  difficult
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  personal
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  time
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  when
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  I
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  was
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  in
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  my
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  early
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  30s,
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  and
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  I
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  began
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  to
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  keep
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  a
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  journal
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  at
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  that
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  time
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  and
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  I've
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  kept
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  one
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  ever
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  since.
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  And
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  I
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  find
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  it
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  to
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  be
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  most
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  useful
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  tools
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  that
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  I
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  can
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  recommend
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  to
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  people
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  because
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  you
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  can
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  write
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  stuff
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  down
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  and,
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  and
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  kind
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  of
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  go
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  back
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  and
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  go,
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  oh,
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  that's
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  where
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  I
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  was
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  and
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  here's
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  what
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  I'm
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  happy.
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  Oh,
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  and
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  that's
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  how
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  that
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  relates.
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  And
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  kind
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  of
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  again,
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  this
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  exercise
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  that
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  Peter
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  Elbow
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  talks
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  about
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  in
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  timed
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  writing,
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  you
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  kind
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  of
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  empty
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  out
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  your
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  head
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  and
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  then
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  you
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  kind
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  of
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  go,
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  oh,
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  now
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  all
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  this
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  clutter
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  is
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  gone.
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  What's,
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  what
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  is
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  this
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  here?
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  That.
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  That's
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  here.
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  That
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  seems
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  to
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  be
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  now
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  being
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  an
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  inspiring
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  thing.
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  Yeah.
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  And.
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  And
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  I,
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  I'm
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  kind
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  of
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  getting
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  that.
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  Is
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  that
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  what
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  you're
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  wanting
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  your
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  clients
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  to
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  do?
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  Yeah,
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  I
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  recommend.
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  I
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  sell
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  the
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  journal
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  on
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  my
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  website
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  and
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  I
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  use
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  it
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  daily
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  myself.
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  And
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  when
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  I
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  initially
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  conceived
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  of
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  my
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  journal,
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  and
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  I
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  always,
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  as
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  a
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  little
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  kid
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  even
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  I
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  had
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  the
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  diaries
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  with
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  the
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  lock
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  on
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  them
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  that
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  was
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  very
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  easy
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  to
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  break
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  into.
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  I
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  didn't
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  have
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  siblings,
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  so
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  I
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  wasn't
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  worried
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  about
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  anyone
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  reading
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  my
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  diary.
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  But
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  I.
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  What
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  an
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  interesting
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  thing
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  to
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  have
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  your
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  awareness
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  about
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  where
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  you
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  were
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  then.
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  Yeah.
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  But
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  it
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  is
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  also,
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  I
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  mean,
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  I
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  think
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  also
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  why
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  I'm
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  so
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  sensitive
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  to
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  having.
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  Encouraging
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  people
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  to
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  write
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  is
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  that
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  while
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  I
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  was
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  doing
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  a
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  diary
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  and
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  journaling
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  kind
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  of.
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  Of
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  for
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  as
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  long
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  as
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  I
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  can
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  remember.
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  And
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  it's
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  always
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  been.
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  I
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  mean,
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  sometimes
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  it's
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  fits
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  and
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  starts.
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  Right.
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  I
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  mean,
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  it's
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  not.
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  It
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  hasn't
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  been
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  this
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  perfect
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  journey
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  of
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  journaling,
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  but
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  is,
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  I
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  don't
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  know,
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  in
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  terms
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  of
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  writing
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  anything
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  that
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  I
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  was
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  willing
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  to
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  share
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  to
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  other
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  people.
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  That
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  took
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  a
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  while
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  for
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  me.
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  And
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  so
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  I
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  actually
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  had
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  to
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  kind
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  of
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  go
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  through
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  different
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  creative
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  modalities
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  and
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  mediums
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  before
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  I
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  was
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  confident
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  enough
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  kind
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  of
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  to
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  find
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  my
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  voice,
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  essentially.
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  So,
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  I
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  mean,
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  I
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  have
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  a
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  background
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  in
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  fine
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  art.
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  Oh,
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  okay.
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  Photography,
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  printmaking,
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  you
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  know,
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  collage,
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  painting.
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  That
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  was
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  very
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  much
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  a
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  way
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  to
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  express
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  myself
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  when
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  I
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  wasn't
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  necessarily
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  trusting
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  that
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  there
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  was.
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  That
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  I
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  was
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  adept
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  enough
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  to.
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  That
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  my
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  words
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  were
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  going
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  to
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  convey
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  what
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  I
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  meant.
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  And
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  it
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  took
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  a
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  while
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  for
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  me
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  to
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  get
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  there.
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  So
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  I
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  think
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  that
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  that
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  informs
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  both
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  the
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  way
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  That
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  I
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  set
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  up
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  my
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  journal
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  which
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  allows
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  people
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  to
• 3:40
  journal.
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  I
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  call
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  it
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  kind
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  of
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  in
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  a.
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  Part
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  of
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  the
• 3:46
  prompt
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  is
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  to
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  write
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  about.
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  I
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  write
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  each
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  morning.
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  So
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  I'm
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  really
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  writing
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  about
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  the
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  day
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  past.
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  And
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  I'm
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  writing
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  about
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  the
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  day
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  past
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  through
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  the
• 3:57
  eyes
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  of
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  the
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  non
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  judgmental
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  observer.
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  And
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  then
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  I
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  really
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  like
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  this
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  idea
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  of
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  word
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  painting
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  that
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  seems
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  to
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  be
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  like
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  what
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  you're
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  doing.
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  Yes.
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  Yeah.
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  And
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  so
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  I'm
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  doing
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  this
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  non
• 4:13
  judgmental
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  observer
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  journaling
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  and
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  documenting.
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  And
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  then
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  the
• 4:19
  next
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  part
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  of
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  the
• 4:20
  journal
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  really
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  asks
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  you.
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  It's
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  called
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  the
• 4:22
  experience
• 4:22
  evaluator
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  and
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  it
• 4:24
  asks
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  you
• 4:25
  to
• 4:26
  pull
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  kind
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  of
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  those,
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  those
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  yeses
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  out
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  of
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  the
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  day.
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  Right.
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  What
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  were,
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  what
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  were
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  some
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  bright
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  spots
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  and
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  they
• 4:33
  don't
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  have
• 4:34
  to
• 4:34
  be,
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  you
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  know,
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  big
• 4:35
  mouth.
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  I
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  mean
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  it's
• 4:36
  not
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  like
• 4:37
  it's
• 4:37
  got
• 4:37
  to
• 4:37
  be
• 4:37
  a
• 4:37
  fireworks
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  show
• 4:38
  every
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  day,
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  but
• 4:39
  just
• 4:39
  even
• 4:39
  noticing.
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  I
• 4:40
  mean
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  sometimes
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  for
• 4:41
  me
• 4:42
  it
• 4:43
  can
• 4:43
  be
• 4:44
  being
• 4:44
  able
• 4:44
  to
• 4:44
  take
• 4:45
  a
• 4:45
  walk
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  and
• 4:46
  I
• 4:46
  got
• 4:46
  to,
• 4:47
  you
• 4:47
  know,
• 4:47
  see
• 4:48
  some
• 4:48
  birds
• 4:48
  or
• 4:49
  something.
• 4:49
  I
• 4:49
  mean
• 4:50
  it
• 4:50
  can,
• 4:50
  it
• 4:51
  can
• 4:51
  be
• 4:51
  these
• 4:51
  small
• 4:52
  but
• 4:52
  just
• 4:53
  kind
• 4:53
  of
• 4:53
  of
• 4:53
  noticing
• 4:54
  what
• 4:54
  are
• 4:54
  those,
• 4:55
  those
• 4:56
  genuine
• 4:57
  life
• 4:58
  affirming
• 4:59
  moments
• 4:59
  in
• 4:59
  your
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  day.
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  And
• 5:00
  then
• 5:01
  the
• 5:01
  other
• 5:01
  part
• 5:01
  of
• 5:02
  the
• 5:02
  experience
• 5:02
  evaluator
• 5:03
  is
• 5:03
  noticing
• 5:03
  those
• 5:04
  moments
• 5:04
  where
• 5:04
  I
• 5:04
  call
• 5:05
  it
• 5:05
  the
• 5:05
  not
• 5:05
  so
• 5:05
  much
• 5:06
  which
• 5:06
  is
• 5:07
  like
• 5:07
  oof.
• 5:08
  That's
• 5:09
  just
• 5:09
  not
• 5:10
  really
• 5:11
  that
• 5:12
  And
• 5:12
  I
• 5:12
  like
• 5:13
  to
• 5:13
  call
• 5:13
  it
• 5:13
  not
• 5:13
  so
• 5:13
  much
• 5:14
  because
• 5:15
  I
• 5:15
  don't,
• 5:16
  it's
• 5:16
  like
• 5:16
  we
• 5:16
  don't
• 5:16
  need
• 5:17
  to
• 5:17
  make
• 5:17
  it
• 5:17
  bad.
• 5:18
  And
• 5:18
  it
• 5:19
  doesn't
• 5:19
  mean
• 5:19
  that
• 5:19
  it
• 5:20
  is
• 5:20
  not
• 5:20
  the
• 5:20
  right
• 5:21
  fit
• 5:21
  fit
• 5:22
  forever.
• 5:23
  It
• 5:23
  just
• 5:23
  means,
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  you
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  know,
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  yesterday,
• 5:26
  you
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  know,
• 5:28
  waiting
• 5:28
  until
• 5:28
  I
• 5:29
  was
• 5:29
  so
• 5:30
  hungry
• 5:31
  to
• 5:31
  eat
• 5:32
  and
• 5:32
  you
• 5:33
  know,
• 5:33
  because
• 5:33
  I
• 5:34
  was
• 5:34
  waiting
• 5:34
  for
• 5:34
  all
• 5:34
  these
• 5:35
  other
• 5:35
  people
• 5:35
  because
• 5:36
  I
• 5:36
  was
• 5:36
  trying
• 5:36
  to
• 5:36
  people
• 5:37
  please
• 5:37
  them
• 5:37
  because
• 5:38
  you
• 5:38
  know,
• 5:38
  this,
• 5:39
  you
• 5:39
  know
• 5:40
  that
• 5:40
  didn't.
• 5:41
  That
• 5:41
  was
• 5:41
  a
• 5:41
  not
• 5:41
  so
• 5:42
  much
• 5:42
  so
• 5:44
  and
• 5:44
  again
• 5:44
  that's
• 5:45
  a
• 5:45
  like
• 5:45
  a
• 5:45
  little
• 5:46
  tidy
• 5:46
  examples
• 5:47
  but
• 5:47
  it
• 5:47
  could
• 5:48
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• 5:48
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• 5:48
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• 5:48
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• 5:48
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• 5:49
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• 5:49
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• 5:49
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• 5:50
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• 5:50
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• 5:51
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• 5:51
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• 5:51
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• 5:51
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• 5:52
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• 5:52
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• 5:52
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• 5:52
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• 5:52
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• 5:53
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• 5:53
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• 5:54
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• 5:55
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• 5:55
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• 5:56
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• 5:57
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• 5:57
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• 5:57
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• 5:58
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• 5:58
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• 5:58
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• 5:58
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• 5:59
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• 6:00
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• 6:00
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• 6:01
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• 6:02
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• 6:03
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• 6:03
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• 6:03
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• 6:03
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• 6:04
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• 6:05
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• 6:05
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• 6:06
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• 6:06
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• 6:07
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• 6:07
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• 6:07
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• 6:08
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• 6:08
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• 6:08
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• 6:08
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• 6:09
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• 6:09
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• 6:10
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• 6:10
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• 6:11
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• 6:11
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• 6:11
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• 6:11
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• 6:12
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• 6:12
  this
• 6:12
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• 6:13
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• 6:13
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• 6:13
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• 6:14
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• 6:14
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• 6:14
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• 6:15
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• 6:15
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• 6:15
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• 6:16
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• 6:16
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• 6:16
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• 6:17
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• 6:17
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• 6:18
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• 6:18
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• 6:19
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• 6:19
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• 6:20
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• 6:20
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• 6:20
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• 6:21
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• 6:21
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• 6:22
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• 6:22
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• 6:23
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• 6:23
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• 6:23
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• 6:23
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• 6:24
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• 6:24
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• 6:25
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• 6:26
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• 6:26
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• 6:27
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• 6:27
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• 6:27
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• 6:28
  making
• 6:28
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• 6:29
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• 6:30
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• 6:30
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• 6:30
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• 6:31
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• 6:32
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• 6:32
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• 6:32
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• 6:33
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• 6:33
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• 6:33
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• 6:34
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• 6:36
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• 6:36
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• 6:36
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• 6:37
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• 6:37
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• 6:38
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• 6:38
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• 6:38
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• 6:39
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• 6:39
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• 6:39
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• 6:40
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• 6:40
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• 6:42
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• 6:42
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• 6:42
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• 6:43
  That's
• 6:43
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• 6:44
  That's
• 6:44
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• 6:46
  Do
• 6:46
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• 6:46
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• 6:46
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• 6:46
  Anthony?
• 6:47
  Yes.
• 6:48
  Okay,
• 6:49
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• 6:49
  I
• 6:49
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• 6:50
  wanted
• 6:50
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• 6:50
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• 6:51
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• 6:51
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• 6:52
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• 6:52
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• 6:52
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• 6:53
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• 6:53
  it's
• 6:54
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• 6:54
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• 6:54
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• 6:54
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• 6:55
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• 6:55
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• 6:55
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• 6:56
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• 6:56
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• 6:56
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• 6:56
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• 6:57
  my
• 6:57
  own
• 6:57
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• 6:57
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• 6:57
  over
• 6:58
  the
• 6:58
  past
• 6:58
  year.
• 6:59
  As
• 7:00
  many
• 7:00
  of
• 7:00
  our
• 7:00
  listeners
• 7:01
  know,
• 7:01
  our
• 7:02
  philosophy
• 7:02
  department
• 7:03
  was
• 7:03
  totally
• 7:03
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• 7:04
  And
• 7:05
  the
• 7:05
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• 7:05
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• 7:05
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• 7:06
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• 7:06
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• 7:06
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• 7:06
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• 7:07
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• 7:07
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• 7:07
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• 7:07
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• 7:07
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• 7:08
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• 7:08
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• 7:08
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• 7:08
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• 7:08
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• 7:09
  But
• 7:11
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• 7:11
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• 7:12
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• 7:12
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• 7:12
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• 7:12
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• 7:12
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• 7:13
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• 7:13
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• 7:13
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• 7:13
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• 7:13
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• 7:14
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• 7:14
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• 7:15
  Ever
• 7:15
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• 7:15
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• 7:16
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• 7:16
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• 7:17
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• 7:17
  ago,
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• 7:18
  knew
• 7:18
  and
• 7:18
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• 7:19
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• 7:19
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• 7:19
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• 7:19
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• 7:19
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• 7:20
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• 7:20
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• 7:20
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• 7:21
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• 7:21
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• 7:21
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• 7:22
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• 7:22
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• 7:22
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• 7:24
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• 7:24
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• 7:25
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• 7:25
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• 7:25
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• 7:25
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• 7:25
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• 7:25
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• 7:25
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• 7:25
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• 7:26
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• 7:26
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• 7:26
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• 7:26
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• 7:27
  But
• 7:28
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• 7:28
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• 7:28
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• 7:29
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• 7:29
  something
• 7:30
  very
• 7:30
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• 7:30
  happened
• 7:31
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• 7:32
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• 7:32
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• 7:33
  so
• 7:33
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• 7:33
  about
• 7:33
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• 7:34
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• 7:34
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• 7:34
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• 7:35
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• 7:35
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• 7:35
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• 7:35
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• 7:38
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• 7:38
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• 7:38
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• 7:38
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• 7:38
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• 7:38
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• 7:39
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• 7:39
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• 7:39
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• 7:39
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• 7:40
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• 7:40
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• 7:40
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• 7:41
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• 7:41
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• 7:42
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• 7:42
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• 7:42
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• 7:42
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• 7:43
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• 7:44
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• 7:44
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• 7:45
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• 7:45
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• 7:46
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• 7:46
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• 7:46
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• 7:46
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• 7:47
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• 7:47
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• 7:47
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• 7:47
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• 7:47
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• 7:48
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• 7:48
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• 7:48
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• 7:48
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• 7:49
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• 7:49
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• 7:50
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• 7:50
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• 7:50
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• 7:50
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• 7:50
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• 7:51
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• 7:51
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• 7:51
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• 7:51
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• 7:52
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• 7:53
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• 7:53
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• 7:54
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• 7:54
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• 7:54
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• 7:54
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• 7:54
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• 7:54
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• 7:54
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• 7:55
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• 7:55
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• 7:55
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• 7:55
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• 7:55
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• 7:56
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• 7:57
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• 7:57
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• 7:57
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• 7:57
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• 7:58
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• 7:58
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• 7:58
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• 7:58
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• 8:00
  So
• 8:00
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• 8:00
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• 8:00
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• 8:00
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• 8:01
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• 8:01
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• 8:01
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• 8:01
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• 8:02
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• 8:02
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• 8:02
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• 8:03
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• 8:03
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• 8:03
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• 8:03
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• 8:03
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• 8:03
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• 8:03
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• 8:04
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• 8:04
  listeners,
• 8:04
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• 8:04
  our
• 8:04
  audience,
• 8:05
  that,
• 8:05
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• 8:06
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• 8:06
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• 8:06
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• 8:07
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• 8:07
  any
• 8:07
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• 8:07
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• 8:08
  want
• 8:08
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• 8:08
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• 8:09
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• 8:09
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• 8:09
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• 8:10
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• 8:10
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• 8:10
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• 8:11
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• 8:11
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• 8:11
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• 8:11
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• 8:11
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• 8:12
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• 8:12
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• 8:13
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• 8:13
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• 8:13
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• 8:13
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• 8:14
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• 8:14
  Anthony's
• 8:15
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• 8:15
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• 8:15
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• 8:16
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• 8:16
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• 8:16
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• 8:17
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• 8:17
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• 8:17
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• 8:17
  about
• 8:17
  coaching
• 8:18
  soccer
• 8:18
  and
• 8:18
  the
• 8:19
  different
• 8:19
  kids
• 8:19
  I've
• 8:19
  met
• 8:19
  along
• 8:20
  the
• 8:20
  way
• 8:20
  and
• 8:20
  that
• 8:20
  kind
• 8:20
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• 8:21
  thing,
• 8:21
  then,
• 8:21
  then
• 8:21
  that's
• 8:22
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• 8:22
  a
• 8:23
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• 8:23
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• 8:23
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• 8:24
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• 8:24
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• 8:25
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• 8:25
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• 8:25
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• 8:25
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• 8:25
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• 8:25
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• 8:25
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• 8:26
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• 8:26
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• 8:26
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• 8:26
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• 8:27
  just
• 8:27
  wanted
• 8:27
  to
• 8:27
  say,
• 8:27
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• 8:27
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• 8:28
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• 8:28
  me
• 8:28
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• 8:28
  think
• 8:28
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• 8:28
  it
• 8:29
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• 8:29
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• 8:29
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• 8:29
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• 8:29
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• 8:29
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• 8:30
  that
• 8:30
  that
• 8:30
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• 8:30
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• 8:30
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• 8:31
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• 8:31
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• 8:31
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• 8:32
  Oh,
• 8:32
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• 8:33
  And
• 8:34
  I,
• 8:34
  you
• 8:34
  know,
• 8:34
  I
• 8:35
  write
• 8:35
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• 8:36
  post
• 8:36
  weekly
• 8:36
  on
• 8:37
  Substack
• 8:38
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• 8:39
  you
• 8:39
  know,
• 8:39
  there's
• 8:39
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• 8:40
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• 8:40
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• 8:40
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• 8:41
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• 8:41
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• 8:41
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• 8:42
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• 8:43
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• 8:43
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• 8:43
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• 8:44
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• 8:44
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• 8:44
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• 8:45
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• 8:45
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• 8:46
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• 8:46
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• 8:46
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• 8:46
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• 8:47
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• 8:47
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• 8:47
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• 8:48
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• 8:50
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• 8:50
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• 8:51
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• 8:51
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• 8:51
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• 8:52
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• 8:52
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• 8:52
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• 8:52
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• 8:53
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• 8:53
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• 8:53
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• 8:53
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• 8:53
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• 8:54
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• 8:54
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• 8:55
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• 8:55
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• 8:55
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• 8:55
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• 8:55
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• 8:56
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• 8:56
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• 8:56
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• 8:57
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• 8:57
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• 8:57
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• 8:58
  it
• 8:58
  up
• 8:58
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• 8:58
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• 8:59
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• 8:59
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• 8:59
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• 8:59
  it
• 9:00
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• 9:00
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• 9:00
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• 9:01
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• 9:01
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• 9:01
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• 9:02
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• 9:02
  me.
• 9:02
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• 9:03
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• 9:03
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• 9:03
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• 9:04
  that
• 9:04
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• 9:04
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• 9:05
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• 9:05
  That
• 9:07
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• 9:07
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• 9:07
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• 9:08
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• 9:10
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• 9:11
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• 9:11
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• 9:12
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• 9:12
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• 9:12
  place
• 9:12
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• 9:12
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• 9:13
  myself
• 9:13
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• 9:14
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• 9:14
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• 9:14
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• 9:14
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• 9:14
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• 9:15
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• 9:16
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• 9:17
  also
• 9:19
  that
• 9:19
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• 9:20
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• 9:20
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• 9:20
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• 9:22
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• 9:23
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• 9:24
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• 9:24
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• 9:25
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• 9:25
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• 9:26
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• 9:27
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• 9:27
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• 9:27
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• 9:27
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• 9:27
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• 9:28
  our,
• 9:29
  our
• 9:30
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• 9:30
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• 9:30
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• 9:31
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• 9:32
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• 9:33
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• 9:33
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• 9:34
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• 9:35
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• 9:36
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• 9:36
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• 9:37
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• 9:38
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• 9:38
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• 9:39
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• 9:39
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• 9:40
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• 9:42
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• 9:43
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• 9:44
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• 9:45
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• 9:45
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• 9:45
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• 9:47
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• 9:48
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• 9:48
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• 9:48
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• 9:50
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• 9:50
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• 9:51
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• 9:52
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• 9:54
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• 9:55
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• 9:56
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• 9:56
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• 9:57
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• 9:59
  One
• 10:00
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• 10:00
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• 10:00
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• 10:00
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• 10:01
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• 10:02
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• 10:02
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• 10:02
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• 10:02
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• 10:03
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• 10:04
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• 10:05
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• 10:07
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• 10:07
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• 10:07
  Adam,
• 10:08
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• 10:08
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• 10:10
  philosopher,
• 10:11
  Scott,
• 10:11
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• 10:11
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• 10:12
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• 10:13
  doctoral
• 10:13
  level
• 10:13
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• 10:14
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• 10:14
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• 10:15
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• 10:15
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• 10:16
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• 10:16
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• 10:16
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• 10:18
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• 10:18
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• 10:19
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• 10:19
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• 10:19
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• 10:19
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• 10:20
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• 10:20
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• 10:22
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• 10:23
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• 10:23
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• 10:23
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• 10:24
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• 10:24
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• 10:25
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• 10:25
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• 10:27
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• 10:27
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• 10:27
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• 10:28
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• 10:29
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• 10:30
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• 10:31
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• 10:31
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• 10:32
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• 10:32
  clients
• 10:33
  in
• 10:34
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• 10:34
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• 10:34
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• 10:35
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• 10:35
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• 10:35
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• 10:36
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• 10:36
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• 10:36
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• 10:36
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• 10:37
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• 10:37
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• 10:38
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• 10:38
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• 10:38
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• 10:38
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• 10:39
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• 10:39
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• 10:41
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• 10:42
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• 10:42
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• 10:42
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• 10:43
  about,
• 10:43
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• 10:44
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• 10:44
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• 10:44
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• 10:44
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• 10:44
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• 10:44
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• 10:45
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• 10:45
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• 10:45
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• 10:45
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• 10:45
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• 10:45
  able
• 10:45
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• 10:47
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• 10:47
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• 10:48
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• 10:49
  the
• 10:49
  people
• 10:49
  who
• 10:49
  are
• 10:50
  investing.
• 10:50
  And
• 10:51
  we're
• 10:51
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• 10:51
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• 10:52
  determine
• 10:52
  about
• 10:52
  whether
• 10:53
  this
• 10:53
  is
• 10:53
  a
• 10:53
  worthy
• 10:54
  project
• 10:54
  or
• 10:55
  not
• 10:55
  by
• 10:55
  counting
• 10:55
  and
• 10:56
  seeing
• 10:56
  how
• 10:56
  soon
• 10:57
  it's
• 10:57
  going
• 10:57
  to
• 10:57
  mature
• 10:58
  and
• 10:59
  do
• 10:59
  these
• 10:59
  mathematical
• 11:00
  things.
• 11:00
  But
• 11:01
  it's
• 11:01
  all
• 11:01
  about
• 11:01
  counting
• 11:02
  stuff.
• 11:02
  But
• 11:02
  what
• 11:03
  about
• 11:04
  the
• 11:04
  humanity,
• 11:05
  you
• 11:05
  know,
• 11:05
  And
• 11:07
  I
• 11:07
  think
• 11:08
  some
• 11:08
  of
• 11:08
  that
• 11:09
  and
• 11:09
  that's
• 11:09
  one
• 11:09
  of
• 11:09
  the
• 11:09
  things
• 11:10
  that
• 11:10
  I
• 11:10
  want
• 11:10
  to
• 11:10
  bring
• 11:12
  to
• 11:12
  my
• 11:13
  writing
• 11:13
  after
• 11:14
  I
• 11:14
  am
• 11:14
  done
• 11:14
  with
• 11:15
  the
• 11:15
  program
• 11:17
  to
• 11:17
  bring
• 11:19
  a
• 11:19
  bit
• 11:20
  more
• 11:20
  about
• 11:20
  how
• 11:21
  do
• 11:21
  we
• 11:22
  bring
• 11:23
  more
• 11:23
  humanity
• 11:24
  into
• 11:24
  our
• 11:24
  daily
• 11:25
  life
• 11:26
  rather
• 11:26
  than
• 11:26
  just
• 11:27
  being
• 11:27
  locked
• 11:28
  into
• 11:28
  this
• 11:30
  limited
• 11:31
  dimension
• 11:32
  of
• 11:34
  business.
• 11:36
  Yeah.
• 11:37
  So
• 11:38
  just
• 11:38
  a
• 11:39
  quick
• 11:39
  mention
• 11:39
  of
• 11:39
  that
• 11:40
  and
• 11:40
  then
• 11:40
  we'll
• 11:40
  take
• 11:40
  a
• 11:40
  short
• 11:40
  break
• 11:41
  and
• 11:41
  come
• 11:41
  back.
• 11:42
  So
• 11:42
  what
• 11:43
  are
• 11:43
  your
• 11:44
  directions
• 11:46
  in
• 11:46
  a
• 11:46
  couple
• 11:47
  minutes
• 11:47
  that
• 11:47
  we
• 11:47
  have
• 11:48
  before
• 11:48
  the
• 11:48
  break?
• 11:49
  Yeah,
• 11:51
  that's
• 11:52
  not
• 11:52
  a
• 11:52
  short
• 11:52
  topic,
• 11:53
  but
• 11:53
  I
• 11:53
  will
• 11:53
  say
• 11:54
  I
• 11:54
  love
• 11:55
  the
• 11:55
  idea
• 11:55
  of
• 11:56
  thinking
• 11:56
  differently
• 11:57
  or
• 11:57
  thinking
• 12:00
  maybe
• 12:00
  not
• 12:00
  differently
• 12:01
  is
• 12:01
  the
• 12:01
  right
• 12:01
  word,
• 12:01
  but
• 12:02
  expanding
• 12:03
  our
• 12:03
  thinking
• 12:03
  or
• 12:04
  our
• 12:04
  understanding
• 12:05
  around
• 12:05
  business.
• 12:05
  Because
• 12:06
  I
• 12:06
  really
• 12:06
  do
• 12:07
  think
• 12:07
  when
• 12:07
  you
• 12:07
  talk
• 12:08
  about
• 12:08
  existential
• 12:09
  crises
• 12:11
  that
• 12:12
  capitalism
• 12:14
  is
• 12:15
  our
• 12:15
  existential
• 12:16
  crises
• 12:17
  in
• 12:17
  a
• 12:17
  way
• 12:18
  much
• 12:18
  more.
• 12:19
  I
• 12:19
  mean
• 12:19
  and
• 12:20
  interwoven
• 12:21
  with
• 12:21
  that
• 12:21
  is,
• 12:21
  is
• 12:22
  climate
• 12:22
  and.
• 12:23
  Right.
• 12:24
  Other
• 12:24
  social
• 12:24
  justice
• 12:25
  issues.
• 12:26
  But
• 12:26
  I
• 12:26
  think
• 12:27
  we
• 12:28
  can,
• 12:28
  we
• 12:28
  can
• 12:28
  dive
• 12:29
  in
• 12:29
  a
• 12:29
  little
• 12:29
  bit.
• 12:31
  All
• 12:31
  right.
• 12:31
  Well,
• 12:31
  we'll
• 12:32
  take
• 12:32
  a
• 12:32
  short
• 12:32
  break
• 12:32
  and
• 12:33
  be
• 12:33
  right
• 12:33
  back.
• 12:33
  I'm
• 12:33
  Anthony
• 12:34
  Wright
• 12:34
  and
• 12:34
  I'm
• 12:34
  your
• 12:34
  co
• 12:35
  host
• 12:35
  today
• 12:35
  on
• 12:35
  the
• 12:36
  Living
• 12:36
  Conversation
• 12:36
  with
• 12:37
  Adam
• 12:37
  Dietz.
• 12:38
  Thanks
• 12:38
  for
• 12:38
  joining
• 12:38
  me.
• 12:38
  We're
• 12:39
  here
• 12:39
  with
• 12:39
  our
• 12:39
  guest,
• 12:40
  Kristen
• 12:41
  Swan.
• 12:42
  And
• 12:42
  how
• 12:43
  can
• 12:43
  people
• 12:43
  contact
• 12:43
  you,
• 12:44
  Kristen?
• 12:45
  Please
• 12:45
  find
• 12:45
  me
• 12:46
  at
• 12:46
  my
• 12:46
  website,
• 12:47
  KristinSwan.com
• 12:49
  and
• 12:49
  it
• 12:49
  is
• 12:50
  Kristen
• 12:50
  K
• 12:51
  R
• 12:51
  I
• 12:52
  S
• 12:52
  T
• 12:53
  A
• 12:53
  N
• 12:54
  KristenSwan.com
• 12:56
  all
• 12:56
  one
• 12:56
  word.
• 12:57
  All
• 12:57
  right,
• 12:57
  we'll
• 12:57
  take
• 12:58
  a
• 12:58
  short
• 12:58
  break
• 12:58
  and
• 12:58
  be
• 12:58
  right
• 12:59
  back.
• 12:59
  So
• 12:59
  stay
• 12:59
  tuned.
• 13:00
  I'm
• 13:00
  Anthony
• 13:01
  Wright.
• 13:02
  I'm
• 13:02
  your
• 13:03
  co
• 13:03
  host
• 13:03
  today
• 13:03
  on
• 13:04
  the
• 13:04
  Living
• 13:04
  Conversation
• 13:05
  with
• 13:06
  Adam
• 13:06
  Dietz.
• 13:06
  Welcome
• 13:07
  back.
• 13:07
  And
• 13:08
  we
• 13:08
  are
• 13:08
  talking
• 13:09
  tonight
• 13:09
  or
• 13:10
  today
• 13:10
  with
• 13:10
  our
• 13:11
  guest
• 13:12
  Kristen
• 13:12
  Swan.
• 13:13
  And
• 13:14
  before
• 13:14
  the
• 13:15
  break
• 13:15
  I
• 13:15
  had
• 13:15
  asked
• 13:16
  you
• 13:18
  a
• 13:18
  question
• 13:18
  that
• 13:18
  needs
• 13:19
  to
• 13:19
  be
• 13:20
  kind
• 13:20
  of
• 13:20
  unpacked
• 13:21
  more
• 13:21
  about
• 13:24
  how
• 13:24
  to
• 13:25
  bring
• 13:25
  humanity
• 13:25
  and,
• 13:26
  and
• 13:26
  how
• 13:26
  do
• 13:26
  you
• 13:26
  work
• 13:27
  with
• 13:27
  your
• 13:27
  business
• 13:28
  clients
• 13:28
  with
• 13:29
  the
• 13:29
  writing
• 13:29
  practice
• 13:30
  that
• 13:30
  you
• 13:30
  do?
• 13:32
  Well,
• 13:32
  I,
• 13:33
  I
• 13:33
  have
• 13:33
  primarily
• 13:34
  I,
• 13:34
  for
• 13:34
  the
• 13:35
  most
• 13:35
  part
• 13:35
  I've
• 13:36
  really
• 13:38
  moved
• 13:40
  exclusively
• 13:41
  into
• 13:42
  the
• 13:42
  work
• 13:42
  that
• 13:42
  I
• 13:43
  do
• 13:43
  now
• 13:43
  with
• 13:43
  workshops
• 13:44
  and
• 13:44
  retreats.
• 13:45
  So
• 13:45
  my,
• 13:46
  my
• 13:46
  practice
• 13:46
  at
• 13:46
  this
• 13:47
  moment
• 13:47
  is,
• 13:47
  is
• 13:47
  still
• 13:48
  very
• 13:48
  much
• 13:48
  about
• 13:50
  small
• 13:50
  group
• 13:50
  facilitation.
• 13:51
  However,
• 13:52
  I,
• 13:53
  I
• 13:54
  have,
• 13:54
  I
• 13:54
  come
• 13:55
  from
• 13:55
  a
• 13:55
  very,
• 13:55
  I
• 13:56
  mean
• 13:56
  this
• 13:56
  is
• 13:56
  my
• 13:56
  own
• 13:56
  business
• 13:57
  that
• 13:57
  I
• 13:57
  do
• 13:58
  this.
• 13:58
  And
• 13:58
  I
• 13:58
  also
• 13:59
  have
• 13:59
  always
• 13:59
  been
• 14:01
  highly
• 14:01
  entrepreneurial.
• 14:02
  I
• 14:02
  didn't
• 14:03
  know
• 14:03
  that's
• 14:03
  what
• 14:03
  it
• 14:04
  was
• 14:04
  when
• 14:04
  I
• 14:05
  was
• 14:05
  you
• 14:06
  know,
• 14:06
  11
• 14:06
  years
• 14:06
  old
• 14:07
  and
• 14:07
  knocking
• 14:07
  on
• 14:07
  my
• 14:08
  neighbors
• 14:08
  doors
• 14:09
  because
• 14:09
  I
• 14:09
  knew
• 14:09
  that
• 14:10
  they
• 14:10
  were
• 14:10
  going
• 14:11
  away
• 14:11
  or
• 14:11
  had
• 14:12
  just
• 14:12
  gotten
• 14:12
  a
• 14:12
  dog
• 14:13
  or
• 14:13
  something
• 14:13
  and
• 14:13
  I
• 14:14
  saw,
• 14:14
  you
• 14:15
  know,
• 14:15
  I
• 14:15
  saw
• 14:15
  an
• 14:15
  opportunity
• 14:16
  to
• 14:17
  provide
• 14:18
  a
• 14:18
  solution
• 14:18
  for
• 14:19
  them.
• 14:19
  Right,
• 14:19
  right.
• 14:20
  And
• 14:21
  I,
• 14:22
  I
• 14:22
  love,
• 14:23
  I
• 14:23
  mean
• 14:23
  the,
• 14:24
  how
• 14:24
  I
• 14:24
  ended
• 14:25
  up
• 14:25
  becoming
• 14:26
  a
• 14:26
  business
• 14:26
  coach
• 14:27
  is
• 14:27
  because
• 14:27
  I,
• 14:28
  I
• 14:28
  had
• 14:28
  either
• 14:29
  worked
• 14:29
  in
• 14:30
  small
• 14:30
  independ
• 14:33
  for
• 14:33
  most
• 14:33
  of
• 14:33
  my
• 14:33
  career
• 14:34
  or
• 14:34
  had
• 14:34
  my
• 14:34
  own
• 14:35
  business.
• 14:35
  And
• 14:36
  it
• 14:36
  was
• 14:36
  funny.
• 14:37
  What
• 14:37
  I
• 14:37
  realized
• 14:37
  is
• 14:38
  I
• 14:38
  wasn't
• 14:38
  really
• 14:38
  that
• 14:39
  tied
• 14:40
  to
• 14:40
  a
• 14:40
  specific
• 14:41
  industry.
• 14:42
  I
• 14:43
  was
• 14:43
  more
• 14:43
  tied
• 14:43
  to
• 14:44
  the
• 14:44
  idea
• 14:44
  of
• 14:44
  I
• 14:45
  loved
• 14:45
  creating
• 14:46
  businesses
• 14:48
  because
• 14:49
  really
• 14:49
  what
• 14:49
  I
• 14:50
  loved
• 14:50
  is
• 14:50
  I
• 14:50
  loved
• 14:51
  supporting
• 14:53
  kind
• 14:53
  of
• 14:53
  other
• 14:54
  people
• 14:55
  being
• 14:56
  successful
• 14:58
  and
• 14:59
  away
• 14:59
  from
• 14:59
  a
• 14:59
  corporation
• 15:00
  because
• 15:00
  that
• 15:00
  can
• 15:01
  be
• 15:01
  really
• 15:01
  scary
• 15:01
  for
• 15:02
  some
• 15:02
  folks.
• 15:03
  Yeah,
• 15:04
  I
• 15:04
  didn't
• 15:04
  end
• 15:04
  up
• 15:05
  ever
• 15:05
  working
• 15:05
  for
• 15:06
  a
• 15:06
  corporation
• 15:08
  but,
• 15:08
  and
• 15:09
  most
• 15:09
  of
• 15:09
  my
• 15:09
  business
• 15:09
  coaching
• 15:10
  clients
• 15:11
  were
• 15:11
  because
• 15:12
  of
• 15:12
  the
• 15:12
  world
• 15:12
  I
• 15:13
  was
• 15:13
  in,
• 15:13
  were
• 15:14
  independent
• 15:15
  business
• 15:15
  owners
• 15:16
  and
• 15:17
  so
• 15:17
  people
• 15:18
  who
• 15:18
  were
• 15:18
  the
• 15:18
  business
• 15:19
  founders
• 15:19
  and
• 15:20
  owners
• 15:21
  and
• 15:22
  so
• 15:22
  helping
• 15:22
  them
• 15:22
  kind
• 15:23
  of
• 15:23
  grow
• 15:24
  with
• 15:24
  their
• 15:25
  business.
• 15:25
  Because
• 15:25
  I
• 15:25
  think
• 15:25
  that
• 15:26
  there's
• 15:26
  you
• 15:27
  know,
• 15:27
  kind
• 15:27
  of
• 15:27
  these
• 15:27
  different
• 15:28
  mindsets
• 15:28
  that
• 15:29
  we
• 15:29
  need
• 15:29
  to
• 15:31
  adopt
• 15:31
  at
• 15:32
  different
• 15:32
  stages
• 15:33
  of
• 15:33
  our,
• 15:33
  our
• 15:34
  businesses
• 15:34
  life.
• 15:37
  But
• 15:37
  back
• 15:37
  to
• 15:37
  your
• 15:37
  original
• 15:38
  question
• 15:38
  around
• 15:39
  that
• 15:39
  humanity
• 15:40
  piece.
• 15:40
  I
• 15:41
  think
• 15:41
  that
• 15:41
  it
• 15:41
  is,
• 15:43
  it
• 15:44
  is.
• 15:44
  So
• 15:47
  I
• 15:47
  think
• 15:47
  that
• 15:47
  there
• 15:48
  is
• 15:48
  a,
• 15:49
  a
• 15:50
  need
• 15:50
  to
• 15:50
  be
• 15:51
  very
• 15:52
  clear
• 15:53
  about
• 15:55
  the
• 15:57
  desired
• 15:57
  outcome
• 15:58
  of
• 15:59
  whatever
• 16:00
  endeavor
• 16:01
  you
• 16:01
  are
• 16:02
  embarking
• 16:03
  on.
• 16:03
  Right.
• 16:05
  And
• 16:06
  within
• 16:06
  that
• 16:07
  is
• 16:07
  embedded
• 16:08
  that
• 16:08
  mission
• 16:09
  statement.
• 16:10
  Right.
• 16:11
  And
• 16:12
  that
• 16:14
  being
• 16:15
  a
• 16:15
  real
• 16:16
  North
• 16:16
  Star,
• 16:17
  so
• 16:17
  to
• 16:17
  speak
• 16:20
  as
• 16:20
  the
• 16:21
  business
• 16:21
  evolves
• 16:23
  and
• 16:24
  kind
• 16:24
  of,
• 16:25
  because
• 16:26
  a
• 16:26
  mission
• 16:27
  statement,
• 16:28
  a
• 16:28
  well
• 16:28
  crafted
• 16:29
  mission
• 16:29
  statement
• 16:30
  is
• 16:30
  one
• 16:31
  that
• 16:32
  is
• 16:33
  very
• 16:34
  different
• 16:34
  from
• 16:35
  kind
• 16:36
  of
• 16:36
  your
• 16:38
  kind
• 16:38
  of
• 16:38
  yearly
• 16:39
  vision
• 16:40
  for
• 16:40
  the
• 16:41
  business.
• 16:43
  It's
• 16:44
  very
• 16:44
  foundational
• 16:45
  to
• 16:46
  what
• 16:46
  you
• 16:46
  are
• 16:47
  creating.
• 16:47
  And
• 16:49
  as
• 16:50
  something
• 16:50
  that's
• 16:51
  foundational
• 16:51
  is
• 16:52
  going
• 16:52
  to
• 16:52
  be
• 16:52
  that
• 16:53
  bedrock
• 16:53
  that
• 16:54
  you're
• 16:54
  able
• 16:55
  to
• 16:55
  grow
• 16:56
  upon.
• 16:58
  Would
• 16:58
  you
• 16:58
  say
• 16:58
  that's
• 16:59
  like
• 16:59
  a
• 16:59
  value
• 16:59
  structure?
• 17:01
  In
• 17:01
  part
• 17:02
  it
• 17:02
  is
• 17:02
  values.
• 17:03
  I
• 17:03
  mean,
• 17:03
  a
• 17:03
  lot
• 17:03
  of
• 17:03
  times
• 17:03
  when
• 17:04
  working
• 17:05
  with
• 17:05
  clients,
• 17:05
  we
• 17:05
  would
• 17:06
  talk
• 17:06
  about
• 17:07
  kind
• 17:07
  of
• 17:08
  mission,
• 17:09
  vision
• 17:09
  and
• 17:09
  values,
• 17:10
  I
• 17:11
  think.
• 17:11
  Oh,
• 17:11
  okay.
• 17:12
  So
• 17:13
  I
• 17:14
  think
• 17:14
  that
• 17:14
  your
• 17:14
  values
• 17:15
  and
• 17:16
  examining
• 17:16
  what
• 17:17
  those
• 17:17
  are,
• 17:17
  is.
• 17:18
  Is
• 17:18
  key
• 17:19
  to
• 17:20
  crafting
• 17:22
  the
• 17:22
  mission
• 17:23
  statement.
• 17:23
  But
• 17:24
  not
• 17:24
  necessarily
• 17:27
  the
• 17:27
  mission
• 17:28
  statement
• 17:28
  is
• 17:28
  more
• 17:29
  about
• 17:30
  your
• 17:31
  naming
• 17:32
  who
• 17:32
  you
• 17:33
  are
• 17:33
  and
• 17:33
  what
• 17:34
  you
• 17:34
  do
• 17:34
  and
• 17:35
  kind
• 17:35
  of
• 17:35
  why.
• 17:38
  And
• 17:39
  those
• 17:39
  are
• 17:39
  supported
• 17:40
  around
• 17:40
  those
• 17:41
  values.
• 17:42
  And
• 17:42
  the
• 17:42
  values
• 17:43
  are
• 17:43
  going
• 17:43
  to
• 17:43
  be
• 17:43
  really
• 17:44
  important
• 17:45
  as
• 17:45
  you
• 17:46
  are
• 17:47
  thinking
• 17:48
  about
• 17:49
  your
• 17:50
  presence,
• 17:50
  your
• 17:51
  outward
• 17:52
  facing
• 17:52
  presence
• 17:53
  with
• 17:53
  the
• 17:53
  world.
• 17:54
  Right.
• 17:54
  So
• 17:54
  as
• 17:54
  you
• 17:55
  get
• 17:55
  into
• 17:55
  kind
• 17:55
  of
• 17:55
  brand
• 17:56
  development,
• 17:57
  so
• 17:57
  to
• 17:57
  speak,
• 17:58
  but
• 17:58
  your
• 17:59
  values
• 17:59
  are
• 17:59
  also
• 18:00
  first
• 18:00
  and
• 18:00
  foremost
• 18:01
  going
• 18:01
  to
• 18:01
  be
• 18:02
  so
• 18:02
  important
• 18:03
  for
• 18:03
  that
• 18:04
  internal
• 18:05
  structure
• 18:06
  and
• 18:06
  culture.
• 18:07
  Yeah.
• 18:08
  There's
• 18:08
  an
• 18:09
  author
• 18:09
  named
• 18:09
  Simon
• 18:09
  Sinek
• 18:10
  who
• 18:10
  talks
• 18:10
  about
• 18:11
  getting
• 18:12
  to
• 18:12
  why.
• 18:13
  Yep.
• 18:13
  And,
• 18:13
  and,
• 18:14
  but
• 18:14
  also
• 18:15
  my
• 18:16
  being
• 18:16
  that
• 18:17
  I'm
• 18:17
  doing
• 18:17
  this
• 18:17
  business
• 18:18
  degree,
• 18:18
  I'm
• 18:18
  looking
• 18:19
  at
• 18:19
  business
• 18:19
  ethics.
• 18:20
  Right.
• 18:20
  And.
• 18:21
  Well,
• 18:22
  what.
• 18:22
  What's
• 18:23
  that?
• 18:23
  And
• 18:23
  that's
• 18:24
  also
• 18:24
  about
• 18:24
  how.
• 18:26
  And
• 18:27
  I
• 18:27
  really
• 18:27
  appreciate
• 18:28
  part
• 18:28
  of
• 18:29
  what
• 18:29
  the
• 18:29
  reflective
• 18:30
  process
• 18:30
  is
• 18:31
  in
• 18:32
  the
• 18:32
  journal
• 18:32
  writing
• 18:33
  is
• 18:33
  we
• 18:33
  get
• 18:34
  to
• 18:34
  notice
• 18:36
  our
• 18:36
  own.
• 18:36
  How
• 18:37
  would
• 18:37
  you
• 18:37
  say
• 18:37
  that's
• 18:37
  true?
• 18:39
  Yeah,
• 18:39
  I
• 18:39
  would
• 18:39
  say
• 18:39
  that's
• 18:40
  true.
• 18:40
  And
• 18:40
  I
• 18:40
  think
• 18:40
  that
• 18:42
  is
• 18:42
  kind
• 18:42
  of
• 18:43
  what
• 18:43
  I'm
• 18:43
  also
• 18:44
  suggesting
• 18:44
  as.
• 18:49
  The
• 18:49
  naming
• 18:50
  of
• 18:50
  the
• 18:51
  desired
• 18:51
  outcome.
• 18:52
  Right.
• 18:53
  And
• 18:53
  just,
• 18:53
  I
• 18:54
  mean,
• 18:54
  in
• 18:54
  a
• 18:54
  very
• 18:55
  simple
• 18:55
  way
• 18:57
  to
• 18:57
  illustrate
• 18:58
  what
• 18:58
  I'm
• 18:58
  talking
• 18:59
  about
• 19:00
  is,
• 19:01
  for
• 19:01
  instance,
• 19:01
  if
• 19:03
  you
• 19:03
  and
• 19:03
  all
• 19:03
  three
• 19:04
  of
• 19:04
  us
• 19:04
  are,
• 19:06
  we're
• 19:06
  in
• 19:07
  a
• 19:07
  company
• 19:07
  together
• 19:07
  and
• 19:09
  we
• 19:10
  need
• 19:10
  to
• 19:10
  have
• 19:10
  a
• 19:10
  meeting
• 19:11
  and
• 19:12
  we're
• 19:12
  going
• 19:12
  to
• 19:12
  have
• 19:13
  sandwiches
• 19:14
  or
• 19:14
  we're
• 19:14
  going
• 19:14
  to
• 19:15
  have
• 19:15
  lunch
• 19:15
  together
• 19:15
  for
• 19:16
  our
• 19:16
  meeting.
• 19:18
  And
• 19:19
  so
• 19:20
  the
• 19:20
  desired
• 19:20
  outcome
• 19:21
  is
• 19:21
  that
• 19:22
  we
• 19:22
  have
• 19:22
  a
• 19:22
  meeting
• 19:23
  where
• 19:23
  we
• 19:24
  have
• 19:25
  some
• 19:25
  food
• 19:26
  so
• 19:26
  that
• 19:26
  we're
• 19:27
  not
• 19:27
  getting
• 19:27
  hangry.
• 19:29
  But
• 19:30
  how
• 19:30
  we
• 19:31
  do
• 19:31
  that
• 19:32
  is
• 19:32
  there's
• 19:33
  a
• 19:33
  whole
• 19:33
  bunch
• 19:33
  of
• 19:34
  different
• 19:34
  ways.
• 19:34
  I
• 19:34
  mean,
• 19:35
  we
• 19:35
  might
• 19:35
  decide
• 19:36
  that
• 19:37
  we're
• 19:37
  all
• 19:37
  going
• 19:37
  to
• 19:37
  get
• 19:38
  sandwiches.
• 19:39
  Right.
• 19:39
  So
• 19:40
  even
• 19:41
  if
• 19:42
  I
• 19:42
  say
• 19:43
  I'm
• 19:43
  going
• 19:43
  to
• 19:44
  be
• 19:44
  the
• 19:44
  person
• 19:44
  that
• 19:45
  runs
• 19:45
  out
• 19:45
  and
• 19:45
  gets
• 19:46
  those
• 19:47
  versus
• 19:48
  Adam,
• 19:49
  like
• 19:51
  I
• 19:51
  may
• 19:52
  decide
• 19:52
  to
• 19:52
  walk
• 19:53
  there
• 19:53
  because
• 19:53
  I
• 19:53
  have
• 19:54
  enough
• 19:54
  time
• 19:54
  and
• 19:54
  I
• 19:55
  can
• 19:55
  take
• 19:55
  a
• 19:55
  call.
• 19:56
  So
• 19:56
  that's
• 19:56
  the
• 19:57
  how
• 19:57
  of
• 19:57
  how
• 19:57
  I'm
• 19:58
  getting.
• 19:58
  Whereas
• 19:59
  you're
• 19:59
  like,
• 19:59
  okay,
• 20:00
  I've
• 20:00
  got
• 20:00
  this
• 20:00
  much
• 20:01
  time
• 20:01
  and
• 20:01
  I'm
• 20:02
  going
• 20:02
  to
• 20:02
  just,
• 20:02
  I'm
• 20:02
  going
• 20:03
  to
• 20:03
  look
• 20:03
  at
• 20:03
  the
• 20:03
  map
• 20:03
  and
• 20:04
  I'm
• 20:04
  going
• 20:04
  to
• 20:04
  optimize
• 20:05
  my
• 20:05
  route
• 20:06
  and
• 20:06
  I'm
• 20:06
  going
• 20:07
  to
• 20:07
  hop
• 20:07
  on
• 20:07
  My
• 20:07
  bike
• 20:08
  and
• 20:08
  go
• 20:08
  this
• 20:08
  way.
• 20:09
  And
• 20:09
  you
• 20:09
  know,
• 20:10
  Anthony,
• 20:10
  if
• 20:10
  at
• 20:10
  the
• 20:10
  last
• 20:11
  minute
• 20:11
  we
• 20:11
  had
• 20:11
  to
• 20:11
  get
• 20:11
  you
• 20:12
  to
• 20:12
  get
• 20:12
  the
• 20:12
  sandwiches,
• 20:13
  you
• 20:13
  might
• 20:13
  have
• 20:13
  to
• 20:13
  hop
• 20:14
  in
• 20:14
  the
• 20:14
  car.
• 20:14
  So
• 20:15
  there's.
• 20:17
  And
• 20:18
  so
• 20:18
  then
• 20:19
  looking
• 20:19
  at
• 20:20
  all
• 20:20
  those
• 20:20
  different
• 20:21
  ways
• 20:22
  that
• 20:22
  all
• 20:22
  those
• 20:22
  different
• 20:23
  hows
• 20:24
  to
• 20:24
  get
• 20:24
  those
• 20:24
  sandwiches.
• 20:28
  Is
• 20:28
  there
• 20:28
  a
• 20:29
  way
• 20:30
  within
• 20:31
  our
• 20:31
  three
• 20:31
  house
• 20:33
  that
• 20:33
  is
• 20:34
  more
• 20:34
  in
• 20:35
  alignment
• 20:36
  with
• 20:37
  the
• 20:37
  value
• 20:38
  structure
• 20:39
  of
• 20:40
  what
• 20:40
  we
• 20:40
  are
• 20:40
  doing?
• 20:41
  If
• 20:41
  we
• 20:41
  are
• 20:42
  what
• 20:42
  everyone
• 20:42
  has
• 20:42
  agreed
• 20:43
  to
• 20:43
  do.
• 20:43
  Right?
• 20:43
  Yeah.
• 20:44
  Yeah.
• 20:44
  I
• 20:45
  mean,
• 20:45
  if
• 20:45
  we're
• 20:45
  all
• 20:45
  about.
• 20:46
  I
• 20:47
  mean,
• 20:47
  if
• 20:47
  we're
• 20:47
  just
• 20:48
  optimizing
• 20:48
  and
• 20:49
  we're
• 20:49
  all
• 20:49
  about
• 20:49
  fast,
• 20:50
  fast,
• 20:50
  fast,
• 20:50
  then
• 20:51
  maybe,
• 20:52
  you
• 20:52
  know,
• 20:53
  maybe
• 20:53
  actually
• 20:53
  the
• 20:54
  bike
• 20:54
  is
• 20:55
  the
• 20:55
  fastest
• 20:56
  way
• 20:56
  because
• 20:57
  you
• 20:57
  don't
• 20:57
  have
• 20:57
  to
• 20:57
  worry
• 20:57
  about
• 20:58
  parking
• 20:58
  and
• 20:58
  you're
• 20:59
  not
• 20:59
  going
• 20:59
  to
• 20:59
  get
• 20:59
  in.
• 20:59
  You
• 21:00
  know,
• 21:00
  you
• 21:00
  can
• 21:00
  kind
• 21:00
  of
• 21:01
  wiggle
• 21:01
  through
• 21:01
  some
• 21:02
  of
• 21:02
  those
• 21:02
  traffic
• 21:02
  lights.
• 21:04
  But
• 21:04
  maybe
• 21:05
  the,
• 21:06
  you
• 21:06
  know,
• 21:06
  maybe
• 21:07
  we're.
• 21:08
  We're
• 21:08
  kind
• 21:08
  of
• 21:09
  doing
• 21:09
  the
• 21:09
  slow
• 21:10
  food
• 21:10
  version
• 21:10
  of
• 21:11
  whatever.
• 21:11
  So
• 21:12
  the
• 21:12
  walking
• 21:13
  part
• 21:13
  is.
• 21:14
  Is
• 21:15
  actually
• 21:15
  part
• 21:16
  of
• 21:16
  our
• 21:17
  company
• 21:18
  ethos,
• 21:18
  right.
• 21:19
  That
• 21:19
  we
• 21:19
  can
• 21:19
  be.
• 21:20
  We
• 21:20
  can
• 21:20
  be
• 21:20
  walking
• 21:21
  and
• 21:21
  taking
• 21:21
  calls
• 21:22
  at
• 21:22
  the
• 21:22
  same
• 21:22
  time.
• 21:23
  So
• 21:24
  that's
• 21:25
  kind
• 21:25
  of
• 21:25
  a
• 21:26
  tiny
• 21:27
  example
• 21:28
  of
• 21:28
  kind
• 21:28
  of
• 21:28
  how
• 21:29
  that
• 21:29
  lived
• 21:29
  experience.
• 21:31
  That's
• 21:31
  really
• 21:32
  interesting
• 21:32
  because
• 21:33
  I
• 21:33
  also
• 21:34
  feel
• 21:34
  like
• 21:34
  it
• 21:34
  comes
• 21:35
  down
• 21:35
  to
• 21:36
  how
• 21:36
  we
• 21:37
  are
• 21:37
  as
• 21:37
  people.
• 21:39
  How
• 21:39
  do
• 21:40
  we
• 21:40
  interact?
• 21:41
  I'm
• 21:42
  writing
• 21:42
  an
• 21:42
  article
• 21:43
  that's
• 21:43
  coming
• 21:43
  out
• 21:43
  next
• 21:44
  month
• 21:44
  and
• 21:44
  Big
• 21:44
  Think
• 21:45
  Business
• 21:45
  about
• 21:46
  nine
• 21:47
  Confucian
• 21:47
  steps
• 21:48
  for
• 21:48
  emotional
• 21:49
  intelligence
• 21:49
  in
• 21:49
  the
• 21:49
  workplace.
• 21:51
  And
• 21:52
  this
• 21:52
  all
• 21:52
  about
• 21:53
  how
• 21:53
  you
• 21:53
  are.
• 21:54
  If
• 21:54
  you're
• 21:55
  angry,
• 21:55
  you
• 21:55
  should
• 21:55
  be
• 21:56
  circumspect.
• 21:57
  When
• 21:57
  someone's
• 21:58
  saying
• 21:58
  something
• 21:58
  to
• 21:58
  you,
• 21:59
  you
• 21:59
  need
• 21:59
  to
• 21:59
  hear
• 21:59
  it
• 21:59
  clearly.
• 22:00
  So
• 22:00
  there's
• 22:01
  nine
• 22:01
  different
• 22:02
  ways
• 22:02
  to
• 22:03
  relate
• 22:03
  how
• 22:03
  to
• 22:04
  be
• 22:04
  in
• 22:04
  the
• 22:04
  office
• 22:05
  place.
• 22:05
  I
• 22:05
  feel
• 22:06
  like
• 22:06
  we
• 22:06
  overlook
• 22:07
  that
• 22:07
  part
• 22:08
  of
• 22:08
  how
• 22:09
  are
• 22:10
  we
• 22:12
  practicing
• 22:12
  our
• 22:12
  humanity?
• 22:13
  How
• 22:14
  are
• 22:14
  we
• 22:14
  maintaining
• 22:15
  harmony
• 22:15
  in
• 22:16
  all
• 22:16
  our
• 22:16
  different
• 22:16
  fields?
• 22:17
  And
• 22:17
  sometimes
• 22:18
  the
• 22:18
  desired
• 22:18
  outcome
• 22:19
  or
• 22:19
  the
• 22:19
  company
• 22:20
  goal
• 22:21
  or,
• 22:21
  or
• 22:21
  whatnot
• 22:22
  can
• 22:23
  really
• 22:23
  be
• 22:23
  jumbled
• 22:24
  up
• 22:24
  and
• 22:24
  torn
• 22:24
  asunder
• 22:25
  by
• 22:25
  disharmony
• 22:26
  in
• 22:26
  the
• 22:26
  workplace.
• 22:27
  I
• 22:27
  think
• 22:27
  this
• 22:27
  also
• 22:27
  relates
• 22:28
  to.
• 22:28
  And
• 22:28
  Confucian
• 22:29
  values
• 22:29
  is
• 22:29
  always
• 22:30
  about
• 22:30
  how
• 22:30
  that
• 22:31
  manifests
• 22:31
  in
• 22:31
  the
• 22:31
  family.
• 22:32
  So
• 22:32
  I
• 22:32
  think,
• 22:33
  right.
• 22:33
  I
• 22:33
  think
• 22:33
  talking
• 22:34
  about
• 22:34
  how
• 22:34
  we
• 22:34
  are
• 22:35
  as
• 22:35
  human
• 22:35
  beings,
• 22:35
  how
• 22:36
  we
• 22:36
  respond
• 22:36
  to
• 22:37
  things
• 22:38
  really
• 22:38
  is
• 22:39
  important
• 22:40
  in
• 22:41
  every
• 22:41
  place
• 22:42
  that
• 22:42
  we
• 22:42
  go
• 22:42
  to.
• 22:43
  So
• 22:43
  when
• 22:43
  we're
• 22:43
  talking
• 22:44
  about
• 22:44
  how
• 22:45
  are
• 22:45
  we
• 22:46
  choosing
• 22:46
  to
• 22:46
  walk,
• 22:46
  Are
• 22:47
  we
• 22:47
  choosing
• 22:47
  to
• 22:47
  ride
• 22:47
  a
• 22:48
  bike,
• 22:48
  are
• 22:48
  we
• 22:48
  choosing
• 22:48
  to
• 22:49
  take
• 22:49
  the
• 22:50
  car?
• 22:50
  I
• 22:50
  think
• 22:50
  we
• 22:51
  can
• 22:51
  also
• 22:51
  look
• 22:51
  at
• 22:51
  that.
• 22:51
  How
• 22:52
  are
• 22:52
  we
• 22:52
  choosing
• 22:53
  to
• 22:54
  promote
• 22:54
  harmony
• 22:54
  in
• 22:55
  the
• 22:55
  workplace?
• 22:56
  Are
• 22:56
  we
• 22:56
  choosing
• 22:56
  to
• 22:58
  be
• 22:59
  egotistical
• 23:00
  and
• 23:00
  just
• 23:00
  take
• 23:00
  everything
• 23:01
  we
• 23:01
  can?
• 23:02
  I
• 23:02
  think
• 23:02
  these
• 23:02
  are
• 23:02
  important
• 23:03
  hows
• 23:03
  of.
• 23:03
  And
• 23:04
  it
• 23:04
  relates
• 23:04
  to
• 23:04
  your
• 23:05
  work
• 23:05
  with
• 23:05
  the
• 23:06
  spirituality.
• 23:06
  Right.
• 23:08
  Yeah,
• 23:08
  Well,
• 23:09
  I
• 23:09
  love
• 23:09
  that,
• 23:09
  Adam.
• 23:10
  And
• 23:10
  that
• 23:10
  really
• 23:11
  highlights
• 23:11
  too,
• 23:12
  I
• 23:13
  think
• 23:13
  the,
• 23:15
  the
• 23:15
  beauty
• 23:16
  and
• 23:16
  the
• 23:16
  gift
• 23:17
  to
• 23:17
  myself
• 23:19
  with
• 23:19
  working
• 23:20
  primarily
• 23:21
  with
• 23:21
  independent
• 23:22
  business
• 23:22
  owners
• 23:23
  is.
• 23:24
  And
• 23:25
  part
• 23:25
  of
• 23:25
  the
• 23:25
  reason
• 23:25
  why
• 23:26
  I
• 23:26
  was
• 23:26
  inspired
• 23:26
  to
• 23:26
  make
• 23:27
  spaghetti
• 23:27
  on
• 23:27
  the
• 23:27
  wall
• 23:28
  when
• 23:28
  I
• 23:28
  was
• 23:28
  deep
• 23:29
  in
• 23:29
  this
• 23:29
  work
• 23:30
  was
• 23:31
  how
• 23:33
  there
• 23:34
  wasn't,
• 23:34
  I
• 23:34
  mean,
• 23:35
  this
• 23:35
  construct
• 23:36
  of
• 23:36
  our
• 23:36
  professional
• 23:37
  Persona
• 23:38
  and
• 23:38
  our
• 23:38
  personal
• 23:39
  Persona
• 23:40
  as
• 23:40
  being
• 23:41
  these,
• 23:41
  these
• 23:41
  very,
• 23:42
  you
• 23:42
  know,
• 23:42
  distinct
• 23:43
  boxes
• 23:44
  within
• 23:44
  our
• 23:45
  selves
• 23:46
  is,
• 23:46
  is.
• 23:48
  It's
• 23:48
  just,
• 23:48
  I
• 23:48
  mean,
• 23:49
  it's,
• 23:49
  it's
• 23:49
  just
• 23:49
  that
• 23:50
  it's
• 23:50
  just
• 23:50
  a
• 23:50
  construct
• 23:51
  and.
• 23:52
  Right.
• 23:53
  And
• 23:53
  that
• 23:54
  to
• 23:54
  recognize
• 23:57
  our.
• 23:57
  Again,
• 23:58
  kind
• 23:58
  of
• 23:58
  going
• 23:58
  back
• 23:59
  to
• 23:59
  one
• 23:59
  of
• 23:59
  our
• 24:00
  earlier
• 24:00
  conversations,
• 24:01
  the,
• 24:02
  the
• 24:02
  wholeness
• 24:03
  of
• 24:04
  ourselves
• 24:05
  and
• 24:06
  so
• 24:07
  the.
• 24:09
  In.
• 24:11
  And
• 24:11
  embracing
• 24:12
  that
• 24:13
  in
• 24:14
  our
• 24:14
  teams
• 24:15
  too.
• 24:16
  And
• 24:17
  I
• 24:17
  think
• 24:17
  there's
• 24:17
  an
• 24:18
  interesting
• 24:18
  phenomenon
• 24:23
  that
• 24:23
  I've
• 24:23
  seen
• 24:23
  both
• 24:23
  in
• 24:24
  smaller
• 24:25
  businesses
• 24:25
  and
• 24:25
  larger
• 24:26
  businesses
• 24:26
  where
• 24:27
  people
• 24:28
  are
• 24:28
  hired
• 24:30
  and
• 24:31
  they
• 24:32
  get
• 24:32
  hired
• 24:33
  for
• 24:33
  the
• 24:33
  qualities
• 24:34
  that
• 24:34
  they
• 24:34
  have.
• 24:35
  Right.
• 24:35
  When
• 24:35
  you're
• 24:36
  interviewing,
• 24:36
  you're
• 24:37
  just,
• 24:37
  you
• 24:37
  know,
• 24:38
  you're
• 24:38
  all
• 24:38
  about,
• 24:39
  you
• 24:39
  know,
• 24:40
  all
• 24:40
  about
• 24:40
  your,
• 24:41
  your
• 24:41
  different
• 24:41
  strengths
• 24:42
  and
• 24:42
  all
• 24:42
  the
• 24:42
  things
• 24:43
  that
• 24:43
  you
• 24:43
  do
• 24:43
  well.
• 24:43
  And,
• 24:44
  and
• 24:44
  you
• 24:44
  get
• 24:44
  hired
• 24:45
  for
• 24:45
  that.
• 24:45
  And,
• 24:46
  and
• 24:46
  hopefully
• 24:46
  you
• 24:47
  really
• 24:47
  get
• 24:47
  hired
• 24:48
  for
• 24:48
  your
• 24:48
  attitude.
• 24:49
  So
• 24:49
  again,
• 24:50
  you
• 24:50
  get
• 24:50
  hired
• 24:50
  for
• 24:51
  that.
• 24:51
  And,
• 24:52
  and
• 24:53
  then
• 24:53
  there
• 24:54
  can
• 24:54
  be
• 24:54
  a.
• 24:55
  Sometimes
• 24:56
  there,
• 24:56
  there
• 24:57
  can
• 24:57
  be
• 24:57
  this
• 24:57
  thing
• 24:57
  where
• 24:59
  we
• 24:59
  can
• 24:59
  kind
• 25:00
  of
• 25:00
  lose
• 25:01
  those
• 25:01
  pieces
• 25:02
  of
• 25:02
  ourselves
• 25:03
  in
• 25:03
  order
• 25:03
  to,
• 25:04
  in
• 25:05
  order
• 25:05
  to.
• 25:06
  In
• 25:06
  some
• 25:07
  ways,
• 25:07
  we're
• 25:07
  doing
• 25:07
  this
• 25:08
  because
• 25:08
  we
• 25:08
  think
• 25:08
  it's
• 25:08
  the
• 25:09
  way
• 25:09
  towards
• 25:10
  harmony
• 25:10
  within
• 25:11
  the
• 25:11
  organization.
• 25:16
  And
• 25:16
  I
• 25:16
  don't
• 25:16
  necessarily
• 25:17
  have
• 25:17
  the
• 25:17
  answer,
• 25:17
  but
• 25:18
  I
• 25:18
  think
• 25:18
  a
• 25:18
  really
• 25:18
  interesting
• 25:19
  point
• 25:19
  of
• 25:20
  tension
• 25:20
  is
• 25:21
  how
• 25:22
  do
• 25:22
  you
• 25:22
  create
• 25:23
  that
• 25:24
  culture
• 25:24
  within
• 25:25
  your
• 25:25
  organization
• 25:26
  that
• 25:26
  is
• 25:26
  still
• 25:29
  really
• 25:30
  celebrating
• 25:31
  those
• 25:31
  beautiful
• 25:33
  individual
• 25:34
  characteristics
• 25:35
  of
• 25:35
  these
• 25:35
  people
• 25:36
  as
• 25:36
  well
• 25:36
  as
• 25:37
  bringing
• 25:37
  that
• 25:38
  harmony
• 25:38
  that
• 25:38
  you're
• 25:38
  talking
• 25:39
  about
• 25:40
  making
• 25:40
  a
• 25:41
  blend
• 25:41
  there?
• 25:41
  So.
• 25:42
  Well,
• 25:43
  we're
• 25:43
  coming
• 25:43
  to
• 25:43
  the
• 25:43
  end
• 25:43
  of
• 25:44
  the
• 25:44
  interview.
• 25:45
  If
• 25:46
  there
• 25:46
  was
• 25:46
  one
• 25:46
  thing
• 25:46
  you'd
• 25:47
  like
• 25:47
  our
• 25:47
  listeners
• 25:47
  to
• 25:48
  know
• 25:48
  about
• 25:48
  your
• 25:48
  work,
• 25:48
  what
• 25:49
  would
• 25:49
  that
• 25:49
  be?
• 25:51
  Oh,
• 25:52
  well,
• 25:53
  my
• 25:54
  work
• 25:54
  is
• 25:55
  I'm
• 25:56
  not
• 25:56
  here
• 25:56
  to
• 25:56
  change
• 25:57
  people.
• 25:57
  I
• 25:58
  am
• 25:59
  here
• 25:59
  to
• 26:00
  really,
• 26:00
  hopefully
• 26:01
  offer
• 26:02
  some
• 26:02
  simple,
• 26:03
  accessible
• 26:04
  tools
• 26:05
  to
• 26:06
  get
• 26:07
  to
• 26:07
  know
• 26:07
  yourself
• 26:07
  better
• 26:08
  and
• 26:09
  to
• 26:09
  trust
• 26:09
  yourself
• 26:10
  and,
• 26:12
  and,
• 26:12
  and
• 26:12
  be
• 26:13
  more
• 26:13
  at
• 26:13
  ease
• 26:14
  with
• 26:14
  yourself
• 26:14
  and,
• 26:15
  and
• 26:15
  hopefully,
• 26:17
  you
• 26:17
  know,
• 26:17
  embrace
• 26:18
  your,
• 26:18
  your
• 26:19
  whole
• 26:19
  complete
• 26:20
  wonderfulness.
• 26:22
  Great.
• 26:23
  Well,
• 26:24
  thank
• 26:24
  you
• 26:24
  for
• 26:25
  being
• 26:25
  with
• 26:25
  us.
• 26:25
  I'm
• 26:25
  Anthony
• 26:26
  Wright
• 26:26
  and
• 26:26
  I'm
• 26:27
  your
• 26:27
  co
• 26:27
  host
• 26:27
  today
• 26:27
  on
• 26:28
  the
• 26:28
  Living
• 26:28
  Conversation
• 26:29
  with
• 26:30
  Adam
• 26:30
  Dietz.
• 26:31
  Thanks
• 26:31
  for
• 26:31
  joining,
• 26:31
  everyone.
• 26:32
  We've
• 26:32
  been
• 26:33
  here
• 26:33
  with
• 26:33
  our
• 26:33
  guest,
• 26:35
  Kristen
• 26:35
  Swan.
• 26:36
  And
• 26:36
  how
• 26:36
  can
• 26:37
  people
• 26:37
  contact
• 26:37
  you?
• 26:37
  Kristen,
• 26:39
  please
• 26:40
  take
• 26:40
  a
• 26:40
  look@kristenswan.com
• 26:42
  that
• 26:43
  is
• 26:43
  my
• 26:43
  website
• 26:44
  and
• 26:44
  Kristen
• 26:45
  is
• 26:45
  K
• 26:45
  R
• 26:46
  I
• 26:46
  S
• 26:46
  T
• 26:47
  A
• 26:48
  N.
• 26:48
  Great.
• 26:50
  Well,
• 26:50
  thanks
• 26:50
  for
• 26:50
  being
• 26:51
  here
• 26:51
  and
• 26:52
  we
• 26:52
  will
• 26:53
  see
• 26:53
  you
• 26:53
  next
• 26:53
  time.