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Jonathan McReynolds, Reverend Al Sharpton, Chef Ron Duprat, Dina Marto & Courtney Rhodes · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: My next guest, Jonathan McReynolds is a Grammy nominated and
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Speaker 1: Stellar Award winning artist, songwriter, and producer. He is also
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Speaker 1: the founder and CEO of the record label Life Room Label.
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Speaker 1: Jonathan has served as a judge on the last two
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Speaker 1: seasons the BT's hit competition show Sunday's Best, which wrapped
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Speaker 1: his tenth season. This summer, is performing on the and
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Speaker 1: he's also performing on the fifty one annual g M
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Speaker 1: A Dove Awards, which were air on octobert on tv N.
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Speaker 1: Please welcome to Money Making Conversation, my man, Jonathan McReynolds.
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Speaker 1: How are you doing pretty good? Hey? Jonathan? For Steve Harry. Now,
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Speaker 1: for many years, man, we did celebration of gospel and BT,
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Speaker 1: and we saw the evolution of gospel music. Uh. I
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Speaker 1: like to believe you know that, Uh that became and
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Speaker 1: I don't want to use this wrong. You know how
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Speaker 1: the star power of gospel music grew and grew? And
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Speaker 1: am I saying that in correctly? Because I felt that
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Speaker 1: with social media, you guys became uh, venue acts, arena acts,
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Speaker 1: and where you were initially was just regulated to church
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Speaker 1: church venues and so and it was all it was
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Speaker 1: amazing watching that because of the fact that you know,
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Speaker 1: people will come in and and direct carpets and all that,
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Speaker 1: and it was it was how is your role in
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Speaker 1: watching that growth? What changes have you seen? What do
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Speaker 1: you think has been the music, the style of music,
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Speaker 1: or social media that has led to that tremendous growth
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Speaker 1: in the brand of gospel music that we're here today. Well, now,
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Speaker 1: I think it starts off with just the music man.
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Speaker 1: When you have you know, the Kirk Franklins of the
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Speaker 1: world that you know, they have released music that you
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Speaker 1: know might have started in the church and might have
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Speaker 1: been you know, meant for you know, gospel music listeners,
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Speaker 1: but they crossed over and became you know, big songs
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Speaker 1: just you know not Yeah, Marvin Stad never would have
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Speaker 1: made it. Ela Adams over to my heart. I need
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Speaker 1: you now, I'm smoking North all of that stuff, But
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Speaker 1: to make me cry job, Come on, man, don't don't
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Speaker 1: do it like that. This early an interview, this interview
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Speaker 1: never would have made. Man, never would have made. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: all those songs, Uh, they really just created a bigger
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Speaker 1: platform for our generation. Uh So now we're not even
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Speaker 1: just looking at Okay, you know what Sunday Service? Can
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Speaker 1: we sing it? No, we are. We're thinking of, Hey,
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Speaker 1: you know, we can go into these big venues, theater,
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Speaker 1: you can do club tours. It doesn't matter where we are.
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Speaker 1: We bring the same thing. We're gonna bring the same atmosphere,
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Speaker 1: the same music. It doesn't matter where we are. But
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Speaker 1: when we go to these different places, Uh, it allows
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Speaker 1: people whether they were in church every Sunday or visit
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Speaker 1: just on Easter and Mother's Day, or they haven't been
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Speaker 1: to church in teen years, they all come to hear
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Speaker 1: the music. And so it's just been really an amazing
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Speaker 1: time to live in and do gospel because, yeah, the
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Speaker 1: platform and what we can do with this music is
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Speaker 1: absolutely bigger. And I had the credit you know those
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Speaker 1: incredible artists that I just mentioned, and Mary, Mary and
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Speaker 1: many more. Uh that really just you know, changed the
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Speaker 1: game for us. You know it really all those names
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Speaker 1: very familiar with it. I know that I'm from Houston,
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Speaker 1: Texas and Kirk Franklin is from from Dallas for Worth area.
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Speaker 1: And I remember when his first hit Talk came out,
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Speaker 1: which he celebrated anniversary on recently. Um then that changed,
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Speaker 1: you know. I remember I was doing a comedy concert
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Speaker 1: Steve's headlined. We sold out the music hall, and the
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Speaker 1: Anthony Brown was on this show, and I played that
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Speaker 1: song right before we started our comedy show, why are
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Speaker 1: we singing? Why are we sing and uh, and it
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Speaker 1: was just a breakthrough song. And you know, Mary and Mary,
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Speaker 1: you know, uh change Shackles on your Feet was a
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Speaker 1: dance floor hit, you know. And then Kurt Franklin came
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Speaker 1: back with Stump that was a dance floor hit. And
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Speaker 1: so all this music. You know, we're in a club
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Speaker 1: drinking and foraging, but we're out there dancing and I
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Speaker 1: like to believe, soaking in the word but also dancing
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Speaker 1: to the world. And that's that to me, was really
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Speaker 1: a strong transition, because you know, nothing negative. But you know,
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Speaker 1: up to that point, gospel music wasn't perceived as a
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Speaker 1: social music. It was perceived as church music. And when
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Speaker 1: they started, when I do give a lot of credit
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Speaker 1: to Kirk because he transitioned and made it a crossover hit,
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Speaker 1: a phenomenal hit, not just a baby hit, phenomenal hit,
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Speaker 1: and God's Property was out there doing things and touring on,
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Speaker 1: doing plays and all those good things. So, but when
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Speaker 1: I look at your talents today, Jonathan, because social media
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Speaker 1: plays a big role in who you are, tell us
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Speaker 1: how you use it, because it creates a lane of
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Speaker 1: independence for you that ten years ago was not available. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think that's the big ship that we're seeing. Even
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Speaker 1: though labels are still important and are still relevant, and
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Speaker 1: you know, we're blessed, you know that labels have much
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Speaker 1: bigger pocics than we normally would have, especially we're starting off. Uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, social media still gives us that opportunity to
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Speaker 1: reach directly to you know, the crowd, directly to fans,
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Speaker 1: directly to people, directly directly to other believers and even
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Speaker 1: pastors and everything. They can see what we're doing, what
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Speaker 1: we're releasing, what we're working on, even if they haven't
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Speaker 1: seen the official promotion you know from the label, that
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Speaker 1: they haven't heard the official radio single yet, they can
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Speaker 1: still see kind of firsthand what we are and what
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Speaker 1: we're working on, and so I think social media definitely
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Speaker 1: allows us to do more. You know, even back in
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Speaker 1: you know Kirk Franklin, you know when he was changing
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Speaker 1: the game. You know, it was pretty simple. Then it
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Speaker 1: was kind of we're not simple, but it's kind of straightforward.
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Speaker 1: You know, you re Lisa record. Uh, you know, it
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Speaker 1: gets on the radio whatever. You know, hopefully it hits
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Speaker 1: and gets the number one on the radio chart and
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Speaker 1: then maybe we'll do some gigs around it. But now,
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much more we can do. We
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Speaker 1: got you know, we can uh we can do tours,
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Speaker 1: we can do contests, we can do uh hashtags and
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Speaker 1: just have you know, trendy things. I was actually nominated
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Speaker 1: for a Grammy for a song that wasn't even a single,
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Speaker 1: but because it had such a viral uh nature to it.
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Speaker 1: And I mean people all the way from you know,
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Speaker 1: pop Stars and Disney and you know, Escape and all
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Speaker 1: these other people they were singing this song, sing in
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Speaker 1: this run and it was it became so viral that
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Speaker 1: it actually had impact on the Grammy, even more so
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Speaker 1: than the radio single that went number one. And so
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Speaker 1: it's just a different day where you have there's there's
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Speaker 1: less rules. Uh. And the whole point is just to
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Speaker 1: make something that really speaks to the people, speaks to
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Speaker 1: the culture, and you'll win. Now you're doing your latest singing,
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Speaker 1: moving on featuring Molly Music. I I that's my man,
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Speaker 1: That's that's my man. Right now. How did you guys
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Speaker 1: get together on this single? Hey man? Honestly, we've known
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Speaker 1: each other for a very long time. I've had to
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Speaker 1: remind him that a long time ago, I used to
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Speaker 1: sing with the group uh five guys. It was like
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Speaker 1: it was like, uh wait, wait, wait singing with a
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Speaker 1: group WI, what were y'all doing? That just sounds like, right,
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Speaker 1: that's not like new edition right there, that's a new
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Speaker 1: addition for gospel. Close. It was close. We had some
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Speaker 1: of the same moves sometimes go but we were singing.
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Speaker 1: We were singing gospel and he actually was doing a
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Speaker 1: concert and we were we were h we were like
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Speaker 1: opening for him at his concert. He actually pointed me
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Speaker 1: out during his cell He pointed me out and he
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Speaker 1: prayed for me, like in front of everybody. And you know,
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Speaker 1: I think from then on, um guy was obviously speaking
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Speaker 1: to him and letting them know that he's gonna do
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Speaker 1: something special with me even outside that group. And sure
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Speaker 1: enough ten years later, Man, we're working together. I mean
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Speaker 1: that's my friends throughout and we decided it's about time
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Speaker 1: that we actually did something together. And uh, moving on
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Speaker 1: is our baby, man. So I'm just really proud of it. Bro. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna dropped that. Because I had him on the show,
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Speaker 1: man fell in love with to do Man, and I
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Speaker 1: like to believe that he impacted me and I impacted him.
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Speaker 1: That's why I found it money making conversations, to be
9:50
Speaker 1: able to talk to the behind the scenes concepts of
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Speaker 1: why people are great and then share those values on
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Speaker 1: my show and hopefully inspired people to see that they
9:58
Speaker 1: can do it too. And so when I look at you,
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Speaker 1: you know, you know you you gospel now you you've
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Speaker 1: been on TV. How has the impact of being a
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Speaker 1: judge because I've been on Sunday's Best because that's a
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Speaker 1: tricky roller plan because you have to be constructive but
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Speaker 1: not what they say, um damaging the people and they're
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Speaker 1: getting them to the next level. How had you did
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Speaker 1: one season? What did what did you do? Did you
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Speaker 1: make any changes to your style of second season? Jonathan? Nah?
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Speaker 1: You know? Now I would say that this second season, Uh,
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Speaker 1: they showed a lot more of our deliberation and so
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Speaker 1: people really got a little more mad than normal than
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Speaker 1: the first time. But yeah, I think that it's I've
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Speaker 1: actually enjoyed it, you know it kind of I always
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Speaker 1: love special things that that kind of bring you outside
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Speaker 1: of just the normal, you know, recording and performing. So
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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. Man, Honestly, you know, you just
10:56
Speaker 1: have to at the end of the day. Uh, let
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Speaker 1: it out, y'all, at the end of the day, at
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, you know, and that you can.
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Speaker 1: As I was talking to Jesse Collins, who is the producer, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he was just like, man, gospel fans are the hardest
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Speaker 1: fans ever. I mean you you would think that these
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Speaker 1: people couldn't sing if you look at Twitter, you know
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And they are great, you know, They're
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Speaker 1: just not everybody's favorite. And so at the end of
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Speaker 1: the day, we no matter how hard the judges are,
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Speaker 1: regular people they probably can't sing, are still gonna be
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Speaker 1: even harder. And so I think, uh, they all are.
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Speaker 1: A lot of the contestants, you know, I can still
11:37
Speaker 1: talk to They still ding me from time to time.
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Speaker 1: They still fill me in still ask me for advice
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Speaker 1: and help on certain things. So I think, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's all love. They understand you know that you know
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Speaker 1: we have to be critical, but we just wanted to
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Speaker 1: make them better. And over the time you see how
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Speaker 1: they become not just singers because church is full of singers,
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Speaker 1: but as you were talking about, because the industry that
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Speaker 1: general has ended so much because of people like Kirk
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Speaker 1: and Marvin and Mary and yourself and yourself more. You're
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Speaker 1: play down what you do, okay, because if you're play
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Speaker 1: an important role because of the fact that you are
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Speaker 1: your decision maker, you're defining people's careers and and also
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Speaker 1: people's voices. And then when it comes to gospel in music,
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Speaker 1: the problem that church people because I was I've done
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Speaker 1: children with Steve Harman, now we did. We did a
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Speaker 1: tour with Kurt Franklin, and I went out there and
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Speaker 1: they were telling me you need a you need to
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Speaker 1: market on church radio station. I go that's where the
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Speaker 1: church people at and I wasn't selling no tickets. I was.
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Speaker 1: I was on all the church of quote unquote church
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Speaker 1: radio stations. When I went back to R and B stations, Jonathan,
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Speaker 1: I started selling tickets. So that lets me know that
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Speaker 1: you can't define that audience. You can't sometimes you can't
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Speaker 1: even locate that audience because they all have values that
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Speaker 1: that that that can can can mislead you into saying
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Speaker 1: this is where they're at. And so when you're dealing
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Speaker 1: with church songs, you know, just because they can't sing,
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Speaker 1: people feel their church music. You know, that might be
14:14
Speaker 1: tied to a happy moment or a dark moment in
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Speaker 1: their life, or somebody wasn't sick. And so so when
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Speaker 1: they hear somebody singing it and in their mind when
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Speaker 1: they heard it, that's what we're gonna stay with them forever.
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Speaker 1: And so that's why they're so hard when it comes
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Speaker 1: to church music, because church music is different. I can,
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Speaker 1: I can hear a different version of a Marvin Gay song,
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Speaker 1: and I'm cool with it. Boy, Yeah, come on now,
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Speaker 1: but don't but don't mess up my church songs. Come on,
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Speaker 1: come on, come on, come on, come on now, come on.
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Speaker 1: And that's that's I mean, that's a good point. Absolutely
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Speaker 1: and that's why that's why when I look at you, man,
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Speaker 1: I mean I'll be checking you out, man, because you know,
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Speaker 1: my boy Curt and everybody and Justice's doing the production
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Speaker 1: over that BT. I've always been a big fan of
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Speaker 1: what they're doing for the gospel lane because of the
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Speaker 1: fact that you know, we all know that these type
15:03
Speaker 1: of shows aren't always the best both watch shows, but
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Speaker 1: they need it, man. They're necessary because they feel a
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Speaker 1: vore and they also allow us to share in a
15:12
Speaker 1: I call it good food eating good food. You always
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Speaker 1: want to do a good food for your soul and
15:17
Speaker 1: that's what good church gospel shows are. And so with
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Speaker 1: you being a judge, has it helped your brand from
15:23
Speaker 1: a social standpoint or from a marketing standpoint? You're walking
15:27
Speaker 1: in the airports, people recognizing you're going to seventy eleven,
15:29
Speaker 1: people say, my man, j Jay, how does it help
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Speaker 1: your overall? Oh? Yeah, I mean it's great because you know, honestly,
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Speaker 1: because of the way my music is, and honestly, you
15:41
Speaker 1: you're saying that, you know, back in the day of
15:44
Speaker 1: back when you guys are touring with Kurt, you know,
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Speaker 1: you would see that the church folks and people that
15:48
Speaker 1: want to come to the concerts. Sometimes they're listening to
15:51
Speaker 1: the RMB stations even even it's even more spread out
15:54
Speaker 1: now you you kind of knew, you don't you can't
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Speaker 1: even track black people now, you know, select the church
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Speaker 1: all over the place, you know what I'm saying. So
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Speaker 1: so you know bringing you know, when you when you
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Speaker 1: get to do the type of music that I do.
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Speaker 1: And I've been actually touring clubs and venues. I haven't
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Speaker 1: toured a church in a very long time, you know,
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Speaker 1: as far as um, you know, just going from from
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Speaker 1: church to church. So the thing is we have to
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Speaker 1: we get to find people in different places. But Beach
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Speaker 1: Sunday Best that was still kind of a hub for
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Speaker 1: a different generation, like maybe an older generations, people that
16:31
Speaker 1: you know, before everything got all chaotic, you know, before
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Speaker 1: before we started spreading out, and and you know, our generation,
16:38
Speaker 1: we we barely went to church growing up, you know
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But the generation that really did, um,
16:43
Speaker 1: you know, they're still watching Sunday Best and those of
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Speaker 1: the people, uh, they'll they'll they'll they'll call me young
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Speaker 1: Buck in the middle of you know, the airport, young Buck,
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Speaker 1: because that's what Kirk calls me. So I know that
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Speaker 1: I know that bore they got it from you know
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Speaker 1: they watching I love Kirk Franklin. He could do no
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Speaker 1: wrong with me. Man, that brother and is so special
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Speaker 1: to me. And you know I the thirteen years we
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Speaker 1: did uh celebrating the gospel. That brand that Steve's Harvey
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Speaker 1: is so deep in the black community. So I know
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Speaker 1: how loyal black people are. And so you're getting a base,
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Speaker 1: Jonathan that is loyal for you, will follow you to
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Speaker 1: your grave and pray for you when you're sick, and
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Speaker 1: celebrate you your success. And that's what you really want
17:26
Speaker 1: when you're talking about your brand and building your brand.
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Speaker 1: And then from an educational standpoint, you have a master's
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Speaker 1: and what now what's your master's in? Yeah, and and
17:37
Speaker 1: and so you're professor at Columbia College. Tell me how
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Speaker 1: are you marrying all these different lanes and and and
17:44
Speaker 1: still be a good looking guy? You know, because in
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Speaker 1: the end, you're still a good looking guy. Okay, there's
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Speaker 1: gonna be real. Now you're gonn looking at guy. Now,
17:51
Speaker 1: a lot of things going on in your life. Now,
17:53
Speaker 1: you know, how are you juggling all these balls up
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Speaker 1: in there? It's definitely is definitely tough, so but I
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Speaker 1: love it as I grow stronger, Yes, sir, because I
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Speaker 1: mean it's crazy. Man. I love all those lanes, man,
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Speaker 1: I love I love the different looks, you know. I
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Speaker 1: love being ah Ad junk Professor Colombia. That's one actually,
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Speaker 1: that's probably one of the favorite parts of my life.
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Speaker 1: I took off of this U semesters of our Caul tour,
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Speaker 1: but uh, you know that's really um my, one of
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Speaker 1: my favorite things to do is teaching. As a matter
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Speaker 1: of fact, I've had to choose between singing and teaching.
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Speaker 1: Unless the Lord told me something different, I probably would
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Speaker 1: choose teaching. So it's just really, uh, you know, one
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Speaker 1: of my favorite parts. And you know all of that, man,
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Speaker 1: it keeps me, you know, uh, it keeps you. You
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Speaker 1: know the Bible and Ecclesiastic that says invest in seven
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Speaker 1: come upon the lad Basically you don't know which one
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Speaker 1: So I really appreciate, you know, just kind of diversifying,
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19:53
Speaker 1: you know you You're you're you're teaching in college, you're
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20:12
Speaker 1: I remember, I'll just repeating when I know about you,
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Speaker 1: I wanted people understand is that sometimes people are pigeonholed you. Oh,
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Speaker 1: And I say to anybody, if you're there are twenty
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20:29
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Speaker 1: people out there who get up in the morning and
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20:49
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20:51
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20:58
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Speaker 1: with the Dove Awards October thirties. Yeah, man, I'm excited
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21:18
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21:22
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21:29
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21:34
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21:38
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22:32
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Speaker 1: I always know these doors are open man when people
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Speaker 1: there is an internationally renowned civil rights leader, founder and
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25:50
Speaker 1: the nation, with one hundred and six chapters nationwide. Reverndee
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Speaker 1: Shopton hosts a daily radio show, Keeping It Real with
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Speaker 1: Revernee Shopping and the national cable television show a title
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Speaker 1: and radio media every week. And this new book, Rise Up,
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Speaker 1: which we're talking about on the show, Confronting a Country
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Speaker 1: at the Crossroads. The Reverendew Shopton draws on his decades
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Speaker 1: of unique experience as a civil rights leader, a politician,
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Speaker 1: Reverend Al Shopton, how you doing, my friend? Before before
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Speaker 1: we got on the air, I was read. I read
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Speaker 1: the book the last couple of I try to read
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Speaker 1: quote a book as close to my interview so everything
26:36
Speaker 1: stays fresh. Rep Now Shopton, I started yesterday. I wrapped
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Speaker 1: it up. I got up at four o'clock this morning,
26:40
Speaker 1: wrapped it up this morning. Uh. The book was so
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Speaker 1: compelling because it felt like because the things you were
26:47
Speaker 1: talking about were just like in the news almost yesterday,
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Speaker 1: and here I am out reading the book today. So
26:54
Speaker 1: when did you wrap? When did you stop writing the
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Speaker 1: book and turn it over to the publisher to make
26:59
Speaker 1: it such a elevant book? Well, what happened is Uh,
27:04
Speaker 1: in early spring I started writing, and I said that
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Speaker 1: I wanted to write a book because I felt that
27:12
Speaker 1: the country was at the crossroads. Uh, in many of
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Speaker 1: the things that we have dealt with for the last
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Speaker 1: half a century as a country. To fight around black
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Speaker 1: lives and and our civil rights, for African Americans to
27:28
Speaker 1: fight around gen d quality, for women to fight around
27:31
Speaker 1: lgbt Q rights, to fight around healthcare. And it was
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Speaker 1: a stock contrast between the way the past administration of
27:42
Speaker 1: Barack Obama, all the way back to the days of
27:45
Speaker 1: Dr King when I was just a kid, was going
27:47
Speaker 1: one way and now the way this president administration has
27:51
Speaker 1: gone in those areas. And then the pandemic hits. So
27:56
Speaker 1: I said in the publishing, wait a minute, let me
27:59
Speaker 1: put the pandemic again, not knowing it would last as
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Speaker 1: long as it did, because as you know, in early
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Speaker 1: March when it started really hitting, we thought it would
28:07
Speaker 1: be over by eastern East to turn into the fourth
28:10
Speaker 1: of July. So I kept adding and keV adding and
28:14
Speaker 1: updating until uh, George Floyd happened, and I really had
28:19
Speaker 1: to delay it because I ended up in the middle
28:21
Speaker 1: of all of that. And then I finally said, right
28:24
Speaker 1: before we did the big march on Washington August that
28:28
Speaker 1: that was it. I was gonna have to close it
28:29
Speaker 1: because it looks like things we're not gonna calm down.
28:32
Speaker 1: So I rode all the way to late August. You know,
28:36
Speaker 1: when I look at things and you know, I've known
28:38
Speaker 1: your long time. You know my relationship with Steve Harman.
28:40
Speaker 1: I still have a positive relationship with Steve uh and
28:43
Speaker 1: trying to define who my what my voice is, and
28:45
Speaker 1: listening to your voice and I see what it really is.
28:48
Speaker 1: And because I want to call out some information about
28:51
Speaker 1: the Black Lives Matter movement, which is about police accountability reform.
28:55
Speaker 1: But now I guess in four what you matched on
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Speaker 1: shot four black men on subway. This is about you
29:01
Speaker 1: discussed this in your book. He was ultimately cleared of
29:03
Speaker 1: attempted murder and served less than a year in jail
29:06
Speaker 1: for illegal firearms. That's what they're charging for today. But
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Speaker 1: now I guess it's still living in New York City. Okay.
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Speaker 1: Then you had the Howard Beach incident in the eighteen
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Speaker 1: eighty six but you're discussing your book when Michael Griffin
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Speaker 1: was struck and killed by Passion motor after being chased
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Speaker 1: by white mall. Then in eighteen eighty nine the Vincent
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Speaker 1: Hurst into, then another white mall, and sixteen year old
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Speaker 1: Yustep Hawkins was shot and killed Sean Bell fifty bullocks.
29:29
Speaker 1: Now fast forward to in his back and Now fast
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Speaker 1: forward to Air Ghana in fourteen and George Floyd and
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Speaker 1: I say, I have to ask you about the Black
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Speaker 1: Lives mar the movement because you've been doing this for
29:42
Speaker 1: a long time, and people kind of act like this
29:45
Speaker 1: movement just started because it's been publicized so much in
29:48
Speaker 1: the media. And sixty seventeen, you know, the Trump administration,
29:53
Speaker 1: led by Rudy Giuliani, tried to call it a terrorist group,
29:56
Speaker 1: an organizations. I made accusation that was that. Tell us
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Speaker 1: from yours a standpoint, what is the Black Lives Matter movement?
30:03
Speaker 1: I think it is a movement that is really calling
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Speaker 1: on accountability of police. I don't think it's even an
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Speaker 1: anti police movement as an anti bad police movement. And
30:16
Speaker 1: I think it has been effective and it has grown. Uh.
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Speaker 1: You know, when Trayvon Martin was killed uh in UH
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Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve in Sanford, Florida. UH, and ironically
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Speaker 1: President Trump is kicking off his you know, coming out
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Speaker 1: of COVID UH with his first rally in Sanford, Florida,
30:41
Speaker 1: and UH in the same exact location. UH when that happened,
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Speaker 1: they wouldn't even arrest George Zimmerman, who shot and killed
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Speaker 1: Treyvon and his parents, and attorney Ben Crump, who has
30:53
Speaker 1: worked with uh ME, a national action network for in
30:58
Speaker 1: other cases, came to me. I had not even heard
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Speaker 1: of Treyvon, and Attorney Crump said, that's why we came
31:05
Speaker 1: to you. Trayvon had already been funeralized and buried for
31:08
Speaker 1: about two weeks. They said, we want you to help
31:11
Speaker 1: make this a national issue. So I got on it
31:15
Speaker 1: and I said, well, let's have a rally right there
31:17
Speaker 1: in Sanford, and uh we called some of our people
31:22
Speaker 1: chapters around FLATDA, but then we also called our national
31:25
Speaker 1: radio people. One of the people that are called and
31:29
Speaker 1: people the listeners need to know, was you, uh got
31:32
Speaker 1: Steven there? Yeah, I mean, let let's let's not act
31:36
Speaker 1: like a lot of these cases. You didn't get the
31:38
Speaker 1: first call, and you said, Steve, we better get on this.
31:41
Speaker 1: And then you started with your own media platform. You
31:44
Speaker 1: were my link because you know, Steve is all over
31:46
Speaker 1: the place as you were. But you would call me
31:49
Speaker 1: right back. She said, reever wouldn't call me if it
31:52
Speaker 1: wasn't important. And uh we beat the drums and we
31:55
Speaker 1: put ten thousand people in in uh Sanford, and it
32:00
Speaker 1: happened to be when I was getting ready to get
32:02
Speaker 1: on the plane hit the Orlando that day. Because I
32:06
Speaker 1: threw the Orlando. The drive to Standford, I got to work,
32:08
Speaker 1: my mother died, who had been sick, and I went
32:11
Speaker 1: anyway because I felt my mother would have wanted me
32:14
Speaker 1: to do that, and I did, and we got enough
32:18
Speaker 1: people to where they felt the pressure. They arrested Zimmerman
32:21
Speaker 1: as he went on a few months later went on
32:24
Speaker 1: to trial. As you know, he was acquitted. That night,
32:28
Speaker 1: three young ladies sat out and wrote the hashtag black
32:32
Speaker 1: Lives Matter, and uh it blew up and became a theme,
32:37
Speaker 1: and it went through a lot of the protests around
32:41
Speaker 1: Trayvon all the way into aer Ghana and Michael Brown
32:45
Speaker 1: in uh in Ferguson, Missouri, and then it kind of
32:50
Speaker 1: lull for a minute, and then it picked back up
32:53
Speaker 1: when we started shot in a rash of other cases.
32:57
Speaker 1: So to say that they are terrorist, you know, these
33:00
Speaker 1: were three brilliant sisters that captured a phrase, that captured
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Speaker 1: exactly how we all felt that we didn't matter. You
33:10
Speaker 1: can shoot a kid with a make believe security guard,
33:14
Speaker 1: he wasn't even that and quit him. We matter, and
33:18
Speaker 1: it wasn't saying others didn't matter. It was saying that
33:22
Speaker 1: you act like we don't matter, and we're affirming that
33:25
Speaker 1: we do. You get in life which you affirm yourself
33:28
Speaker 1: to be. And I think that that movement grew. They
33:32
Speaker 1: formed some Black Lives Matter organizations, They worked along in
33:37
Speaker 1: many cases with other groups, in some cases they didn't.
33:40
Speaker 1: The three sisters work very closely with us in National
33:44
Speaker 1: Action networking other groups. And there's always been like that,
33:48
Speaker 1: as you know. And back in the days when you
33:51
Speaker 1: and our kids and they you had din a CP,
33:54
Speaker 1: you had Dr King, you had uh Care, but then
33:58
Speaker 1: you also had Malcolm X and you also had the
34:00
Speaker 1: students sitting in that king and sitting on a lunch
34:03
Speaker 1: cattle ride of bus. So I think a lot of
34:06
Speaker 1: the media are lazy and don't deal with the fact
34:10
Speaker 1: that we're not looking at anything different. There are different
34:13
Speaker 1: ways that people express their outrage, but all of us
34:17
Speaker 1: are trying to fight for change. Black Lives Matter is
34:20
Speaker 1: not terrorists, They're trying to stop the terrorism. When police
34:24
Speaker 1: can shoot a man in his back running away from them,
34:28
Speaker 1: as the case in Kenosha uh and and when the
34:32
Speaker 1: police can shoot a man at Wendy's, that is intoxicated. Uh,
34:38
Speaker 1: and and and he's running away. That's terrorism. So how
34:41
Speaker 1: do they call that terrorism? And and and not and
34:45
Speaker 1: call those that are peacefully protested, many of them white,
34:49
Speaker 1: saying black lives matter? How does that become terrorists? We
34:53
Speaker 1: speaking of that? Because that's that's the part that really
34:56
Speaker 1: changed for me, was the white participation in the protests
34:59
Speaker 1: becau as the fact that you know, we all know
35:02
Speaker 1: there was a scheme out there to making a black
35:04
Speaker 1: violent crime situation. Don't trust black people. We're gonna tear
35:08
Speaker 1: up your neighborhoods and create white fear. But in this
35:11
Speaker 1: particular movement, after the George Floyd, white people were watching,
35:16
Speaker 1: and not just a few white people were watching. I
35:19
Speaker 1: watched TV and I just see white people just walked
35:22
Speaker 1: up my screen on television, then a black person, then
35:24
Speaker 1: more white people did a black person. What do you
35:26
Speaker 1: why do you feel that has been a tremendous upswell
35:29
Speaker 1: and white people being angry, being annoyed, being upset because
35:33
Speaker 1: we know it's white people important, We know it's white
35:35
Speaker 1: people in Seattle. There's not black people up there, there's
35:37
Speaker 1: white people. That's right, that's right. Well, let me say this,
35:41
Speaker 1: I think what happened was because the George Floyd video
35:47
Speaker 1: came out during the pandemic. Everyone was shut down and
35:52
Speaker 1: couldn't go out. There was no distraction. As she turned
35:56
Speaker 1: on the TV. People were watching the news, trying to
35:59
Speaker 1: get the update on the pandemic, when will this break?
36:01
Speaker 1: When can I go out? When can I go to work?
36:04
Speaker 1: And then watching the news. They had no distractions because
36:07
Speaker 1: you couldn't watch the ball game because there was no
36:10
Speaker 1: ball games. There's no baseball, no basketball, anything. And I
36:14
Speaker 1: think this is the first time that the whole country
36:17
Speaker 1: was locked into having to watch this video over and
36:19
Speaker 1: over again on the news, and a lot of whites
36:22
Speaker 1: just said this is outrageous and exploded. So many of
36:27
Speaker 1: the whites that didn't see the video tape on Ari
36:29
Speaker 1: Gando when he died from a trokehold from a New
36:32
Speaker 1: York City policeman, they saw what happened to uh George Floyd.
36:37
Speaker 1: And then when they when you emphasize to them that
36:41
Speaker 1: this man the policeman had his knee on his neck
36:44
Speaker 1: eight minutes and forty one seconds, they would saying, wait
36:47
Speaker 1: a minute, that's just beyond the pale, which is why
36:50
Speaker 1: when I did the eulogy, in Minneapolis, or for George
36:54
Speaker 1: Floyd's family. I asked everybody to stand up, and people
36:58
Speaker 1: all over that were watching, even all over the country,
37:02
Speaker 1: people stood up. I got all kinds of tweets fans.
37:05
Speaker 1: I really didn't get it till you told me to
37:08
Speaker 1: stand up, because after three minutes I was tired. How
37:11
Speaker 1: do you have that kind of vigor and rage to
37:14
Speaker 1: hold your knee on somebody's neck that's pulsating and begging
37:18
Speaker 1: for their life unless you have a whole lot of
37:20
Speaker 1: venom in you. And I think it was the graphic
37:24
Speaker 1: of eight minutes and forty one second and the fact
37:26
Speaker 1: that everybody saw it that ignited a lot of whites.
37:30
Speaker 1: I went to marches where they were more whites than
37:32
Speaker 1: blacks right there in Minneathles, and I think that that's
37:36
Speaker 1: what happened, and I think that's a good thing. So
37:38
Speaker 1: they can't pigeonhole it. There's just angry blacks. It's angry
37:42
Speaker 1: Americans saying that we have to do something about bad cops,
37:46
Speaker 1: and good cops are to be wanting to see something
37:49
Speaker 1: bad about bad cops because it makes them look bad.
37:52
Speaker 1: It really does. I'm talking to renew shopping in his
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna just call out some really great line liners
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Speaker 1: and moments in the book that that I want you
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Speaker 1: to respond to. One of my favorite lines in the
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Speaker 1: book is if if Don Ki was born white, he
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Speaker 1: will be Trump. Yeah. God, kids, who you and I
38:16
Speaker 1: know is a great promoter. That's where he is. He
38:19
Speaker 1: doesn't profess to be a political leader, consensus leader. He promotes.
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Speaker 1: He sells his promotion. That's who don Ket is. Don
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Speaker 1: Don Donald Trump is the same. He's a promoter. The
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Speaker 1: man Uh does not have a political ideology, does not
38:36
Speaker 1: have a real philosophy. His thing is he promotes what works,
38:43
Speaker 1: and racism worked for him. Birthism is how he started
38:47
Speaker 1: his political career, saying the president of the United States
38:51
Speaker 1: was not really one of us. And when he saw
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Speaker 1: that work, he therefore leading and used that. And they's
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Speaker 1: been using racial language and and and racial leadings ever since.
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Speaker 1: And I told him and our least UH meeting that
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39:10
Speaker 1: Because if you're comfortable with racism, you've got to have
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39:23
Speaker 1: made that assercition. He's a promoter. He's not a thinker,
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40:40
Speaker 1: know it's really absolutely the truth, all right, right, I learned.
40:43
Speaker 1: You know, like I said, I was called off first
40:45
Speaker 1: of all, called off guard, whining one. I voted against him,
40:47
Speaker 1: but I still was called off guard win one. And
40:49
Speaker 1: then when you look at his game plan, he is
40:52
Speaker 1: a like you said in your book, he's a he's
40:54
Speaker 1: a uh. He's a guy of theorists about comparcity conspiracy theorists. You.
41:00
Speaker 1: He sits around when that when I read last week
41:02
Speaker 1: where he fought he he he tweeted forty times forty
41:08
Speaker 1: times period. My god, who does that? You do social media?
41:14
Speaker 1: Not do social media? Can we cast on social media?
41:16
Speaker 1: It's tiring. I'm just telling about it's tiring to post.
41:19
Speaker 1: It's time to come up with ideas to say in
41:22
Speaker 1: social media to do it for forty times right now,
41:24
Speaker 1: that's really really ridiculous and and and it can gessue
41:29
Speaker 1: if he supposed to me the head of the free world,
41:32
Speaker 1: how do you even have time to do that forty times?
41:35
Speaker 1: But that's who he is, that's where his focus is,
41:37
Speaker 1: that's where his priority is, is to promote and to
41:41
Speaker 1: use the social media to do it. And he uses
41:43
Speaker 1: television to do it. And as he said, I was
41:46
Speaker 1: surprised when he won, but the way he was able
41:48
Speaker 1: to manipulate the media. He was rolling over in the
41:51
Speaker 1: bed calling TV shows and they put him on the
41:54
Speaker 1: air and he got times of free media likes. Now
41:59
Speaker 1: like he's doing what excuse now? Right now you don't
42:02
Speaker 1: even have to come in the studio, They don't have
42:04
Speaker 1: to set up the zoom. He just talks and they
42:06
Speaker 1: let him go. And that's a promoter, but it's dangerous
42:10
Speaker 1: for the future of the country. You have to ask
42:12
Speaker 1: yourself when I say he has no philosophy, and and
42:15
Speaker 1: you reiterated that your shows about how people can really
42:20
Speaker 1: be entrepreneurs or make their ends meet whatever level they
42:23
Speaker 1: want in terms of money, what is his economic policy.
42:27
Speaker 1: I do not know a black businessman in New York
42:31
Speaker 1: that ever got a major contract from the Trump organization.
42:35
Speaker 1: So when he says the blacks, uh, he worked with me,
42:39
Speaker 1: the only record we have is him as a businessman.
42:42
Speaker 1: I don't know a big black firm or small one.
42:44
Speaker 1: They could say I was able to expand my business
42:48
Speaker 1: and you're a major contract through Donald Trump. It takes
42:51
Speaker 1: effort to be in New York, as you know, and
42:55
Speaker 1: do business and never do business with blacks or Latinos.
42:59
Speaker 1: It takes effortence, effort because we wanted were there's too
43:02
Speaker 1: many of us. First of all, especially when you go
43:03
Speaker 1: to the boroughs. It's if we just populate. And I've
43:06
Speaker 1: always said that the five Boroughs and each one of
43:09
Speaker 1: the five boroughs have more black people than most major
43:12
Speaker 1: cities in the United States. So trying to avard the
43:14
Speaker 1: black person and then when you include the Latinos, it's
43:17
Speaker 1: ridiculous when you say you can't do business. It was
43:19
Speaker 1: just like you know, the CEO of Wells Fargo, so
43:22
Speaker 1: he can't five qualify black people to work for him.
43:25
Speaker 1: When people can make these statements, they make these statements
43:27
Speaker 1: because guess what, they don't want to associate themselves or
43:30
Speaker 1: accept the fact that we compete. And when I look
43:33
Speaker 1: at you and I've been blessed to you know no, no, uh,
43:36
Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson, I know you for long time being associated
43:39
Speaker 1: with Steve. We've sat down a very intimate situation and
43:42
Speaker 1: trying to motivate black people with information. And that's what
43:45
Speaker 1: you've all been about me, with information. That's why I've
43:48
Speaker 1: always returned your phone calls so quickly, because I say,
43:50
Speaker 1: he called him and he needs something, and they need something.
43:53
Speaker 1: I gotta be there to assist. Now I had to
43:55
Speaker 1: start of interview. I talked about the movements that you've
43:58
Speaker 1: been involved with most no to be since four the movements,
44:01
Speaker 1: the marches, the marches, the marches, the marches are such
44:04
Speaker 1: a dominant arch right now and what we're doing, they're
44:07
Speaker 1: going on right now. They just don't report them anymore.
44:09
Speaker 1: People are still marching in this country. There's is marches.
44:12
Speaker 1: This is not reporting, but people still marching because of
44:15
Speaker 1: the fact that that Donald Trump was making it a
44:17
Speaker 1: political issue. But now he realized it doesn't work. Guess
44:20
Speaker 1: what He's backed off, like they're not happening anymore, you know,
44:24
Speaker 1: but not saying anything about those same guys who went
44:27
Speaker 1: up to the in Michigan, who tried to kidnap and
44:30
Speaker 1: possibly kill the governor with the same idiots in March
44:34
Speaker 1: who he said, liberate Michigan. He sauld liberate Michigan. He
44:39
Speaker 1: helped to put some or some gangs on the fire.
44:44
Speaker 1: And these guys, that's calling them terry. Why isn't he
44:49
Speaker 1: calling them out? And these guys, can you imagine if
44:53
Speaker 1: some black guys talked about kidnapping or governor or any
44:58
Speaker 1: Latinos or some or Muslims, he would have been going bananas.
45:04
Speaker 1: He just spent out every National Guard he could. But
45:07
Speaker 1: these are white. He says nothing to say, hasn't announced it.
45:11
Speaker 1: And they literally were talking about studying a civil war
45:16
Speaker 1: and it's absolutely and some of them really didn't care
45:19
Speaker 1: about him, you know, they were just anti governor and
45:22
Speaker 1: that's why government. So that's why it's really crazy when
45:24
Speaker 1: you realize that the people you're trying to motivate are
45:27
Speaker 1: really anti you and the anti government and really are
45:30
Speaker 1: terrorists just like you said, they're domestic terrorists. And he's
45:33
Speaker 1: not even acknowledging that, and nor is Mike Pitts either,
45:36
Speaker 1: And that's the information I just try to deliver on
45:38
Speaker 1: my show. It's an entrepreneur show. But guess what what
45:41
Speaker 1: they're doing in the White House affects us. What they're
45:43
Speaker 1: doing in the right affect us as Black people with
45:45
Speaker 1: the covideen because we're overtly affected by the the the
45:50
Speaker 1: way we eat, ugh, our lifestyles, all that by finances
45:53
Speaker 1: are being affected by COVID ainteen and the financial packages
45:56
Speaker 1: that they failed to approve. When you look at all
46:00
Speaker 1: this happening and you've not been around a long time
46:03
Speaker 1: for him, now, what is your fear take on this?
46:05
Speaker 1: What is our future? And how important is November thirty
46:09
Speaker 1: for everybody to get out and vote. Our future is
46:12
Speaker 1: in our hands. We have the numbers if we come
46:15
Speaker 1: out and vote in these various states. UH to turn
46:19
Speaker 1: this around, and not for Joe Biden, but for us.
46:23
Speaker 1: We can't afford to lose the affordable care and we
46:26
Speaker 1: can't afford to lose the voting rights which in many
46:29
Speaker 1: states they have changed the voting laws, and we need
46:34
Speaker 1: the Voting Rights Act to be empowered more with the
46:39
Speaker 1: John Lewis Voting Rights Bill that has passed the House
46:42
Speaker 1: of Representatives but has not even been been put in
46:45
Speaker 1: front of the Senate because McConnell will not put it up.
46:49
Speaker 1: But if the majority of the Senate changes the Democrat,
46:54
Speaker 1: it won't be up to McConnell, be up to the
46:56
Speaker 1: new majority leader would probably be Chuck Schumer. We got
47:00
Speaker 1: not afford for them to turn back affirmative action that's
47:03
Speaker 1: going in front of the Supreme Court. Uh So, these
47:07
Speaker 1: all of these issues say that we have got to
47:10
Speaker 1: stand up and take our features and magic is not
47:14
Speaker 1: gonna bring us a reverse and liberation. We've got to
47:18
Speaker 1: do the work. God is not gonna come and do it.
47:21
Speaker 1: God has given us the strength to do it, and
47:23
Speaker 1: we've got to vote that our forefathers who had faith
47:27
Speaker 1: in God for it to get us. We need to
47:30
Speaker 1: use it in a mass way. And as you said,
47:33
Speaker 1: it is related to entrepreneurship and business. But God called
47:37
Speaker 1: me one day on the show, my radio show and said, well, revenue,
47:41
Speaker 1: I ain't in the politics. I want to go in business.
47:44
Speaker 1: I said, but you can't go in business without dealing
47:46
Speaker 1: with the political reality. Where you want to set up
47:49
Speaker 1: your store is a zoning board decides whether it can
47:53
Speaker 1: be a business there commercial or whether it's residential. That's political.
47:58
Speaker 1: Or the regulations you don't have to follower is decided
48:01
Speaker 1: by regulators. That's political. Everything you do, how you bank,
48:05
Speaker 1: what the interest rate, all of that is political. So
48:08
Speaker 1: you can't run from it in the name of I'm
48:11
Speaker 1: in business. I'm not in politics. To be in business
48:14
Speaker 1: is to have to engage and who makes the political decisions.
48:18
Speaker 1: That's why you should at least vote to make sure
48:20
Speaker 1: you have the people in there that's sensitive to your
48:23
Speaker 1: issues and your interests. It's that's what a powerful statement.
48:26
Speaker 1: And that's why y'all tell people you can't have a
48:28
Speaker 1: closed minded approach to it doesn't bother me, it's not
48:31
Speaker 1: affecting me. It's not in my neighborhood. That's them and
48:34
Speaker 1: them look like you. You can't talk like that because
48:37
Speaker 1: eventually I always tell people they pulled George Florid out
48:39
Speaker 1: of the Mercedes being okay, that's what I tell people.
48:42
Speaker 1: All remember the car he got pulled out of. It
48:44
Speaker 1: wasn't a jealope, he wasn't on the side of the
48:46
Speaker 1: street looking homeless. They pulled him out of Mercedes Ben
48:49
Speaker 1: and State. And so that means that economic structure means
48:52
Speaker 1: nothing to people who devalue you because of your color
48:56
Speaker 1: or you as a human being. But when I was
48:57
Speaker 1: reading the book, or you know, your book rides up
49:00
Speaker 1: um what compelled you write the book because there's so
49:03
Speaker 1: many layers that talks about you know, four years old,
49:05
Speaker 1: when you started your James Brown experience and what he
49:08
Speaker 1: taught you, and and and the one of my favorite
49:11
Speaker 1: lines in there is like in my life, I run
49:13
Speaker 1: with dreamers and schemers. Martina King, Jr. Nelson, Mandela and
49:17
Speaker 1: John Lewis are dreamers. Roger Stone, Don King and Donald
49:20
Speaker 1: Trump are schemers. And then I added this line, good
49:23
Speaker 1: our runs bad only if you stay the course. That's
49:27
Speaker 1: your line. I just put it together because that is
49:30
Speaker 1: absolutely the truth what we're talking about right now with
49:32
Speaker 1: this election. Good out runs bad if we stay the
49:35
Speaker 1: course and vote because too many schemers win. We're letting
49:39
Speaker 1: too many schemers win revenue. That's right, and we let
49:44
Speaker 1: them win because we don't do our best. We don't
49:47
Speaker 1: stay committed and dedicated and discipline. But if you stay
49:51
Speaker 1: the course, no matter what, there is going to be
49:55
Speaker 1: a win. There is always light at the end of
49:58
Speaker 1: the tunnel. If you don't give up the way to
50:00
Speaker 1: the tunnel, and you just gotta keep going. And one
50:03
Speaker 1: of the great things I wanted to bring out in
50:04
Speaker 1: the book was that you brought out in the book
50:06
Speaker 1: because of the fact that, well, did you write the
50:09
Speaker 1: book or you have a ghost writer? How did you?
50:11
Speaker 1: How I wrote? Fantastic? Fantastic Mike Eric Dyson. Now he
50:16
Speaker 1: puts some pay he putsn't working that, uh that forward.
50:19
Speaker 1: Now he puts the word forward. And because of the
50:22
Speaker 1: fact that he told me some things, he got me
50:24
Speaker 1: excited about the book Michael Eric, and I went, wow,
50:27
Speaker 1: this is powerful stuff. When I went into the book,
50:28
Speaker 1: I went, wow, this is really in things I didn't
50:31
Speaker 1: know about you. And one of the things that was
50:32
Speaker 1: compelling to me was the fact that the gold medal
50:35
Speaker 1: you wear around your neck is not jewelry. Tell everybody
50:38
Speaker 1: about it being know the Lord what I did the
50:40
Speaker 1: match that you mentioned in Howard Beach and six, where
50:45
Speaker 1: we were watching about three black young men were attacked
50:50
Speaker 1: for being in the Howard Beach section in Queens, New York,
50:54
Speaker 1: which was mob dominated at that time. Uh, And we
50:58
Speaker 1: kept watching. We ended up with getting and three of
51:00
Speaker 1: those young men indicted for manslaughter. Jose Williams, who was
51:06
Speaker 1: one of Dr King's chief lieutenants h years before, came
51:10
Speaker 1: to New York and he would give people the Martin
51:13
Speaker 1: Luther King madallion he had made to try to unite
51:17
Speaker 1: them that you have worked in the spirit of Dr King,
51:19
Speaker 1: who he worked with for so long. And he came
51:24
Speaker 1: to the rally and hung out around my neck, and
51:26
Speaker 1: it made me feel like if I was in the streets,
51:29
Speaker 1: it made you feel like a made man. He was
51:32
Speaker 1: one of the main elders of the movement that I
51:35
Speaker 1: had looked up to all my life, uniting me with
51:38
Speaker 1: this matinlu King mcday and I think I slept with
51:40
Speaker 1: him for three days. So I would wear it all
51:43
Speaker 1: the time because I was so honored by and the
51:46
Speaker 1: press with all him and in the day and even
51:48
Speaker 1: some blacks w did he wear in jury for it
51:51
Speaker 1: wasn't jury. It was an award from uh from Jove Williams. Now, yeah,
51:56
Speaker 1: I wore track suits, but I was a young guy.
51:59
Speaker 1: That was what we war in those days. Curtis blow
52:04
Speaker 1: all of them. With my contemporaries, I grew up Spike Lee,
52:08
Speaker 1: Russell Sinners. All of us was Brooklyn and Queen the
52:10
Speaker 1: same age group. We grew up together, and I dressed
52:13
Speaker 1: my age. I wasn't you know Jesse was thirteen, fourteen
52:17
Speaker 1: years older than me, and and John Lewis, and they
52:20
Speaker 1: were a generation ahead of me. I dressed like my
52:22
Speaker 1: generation and uh so people made caricatures out of it,
52:26
Speaker 1: but I was just being me And I talked about
52:28
Speaker 1: that in the book Yourself, be aufended. You don't have
52:31
Speaker 1: to try and and and cramp your style or readjust
52:35
Speaker 1: your style, be you, because if you understand yourself value
52:39
Speaker 1: and have real self awareness, you can make it work.
52:43
Speaker 1: And you are making it work. And in closing, uh, Reverenair.
52:46
Speaker 1: How can one be an activist? You know, how can
52:49
Speaker 1: one use the media? And because that's important right now
52:52
Speaker 1: because you've been doing it so long, you you know,
52:54
Speaker 1: you've written a book on motivation, seeing us, seeing it through,
52:59
Speaker 1: you know, getting through the through, from the positive and
53:03
Speaker 1: from the negative to the positive. Talk about how can
53:05
Speaker 1: I won't be an activist? One can be an activist
53:08
Speaker 1: by first determining what it is you want to get done.
53:11
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be a huge march. It doesn't
53:14
Speaker 1: have to be uh something everybody talks about. It could
53:17
Speaker 1: be I want to do something in my neighborhood. I
53:19
Speaker 1: want to do something in my church, something in my business,
53:23
Speaker 1: or some in my workplace. Set a goal and then
53:26
Speaker 1: be determined to get that done and in your local
53:31
Speaker 1: or even bigger than that. Use the media to tell
53:34
Speaker 1: your story. Don't have the media be your goal. Have
53:37
Speaker 1: the media be your means to a goal. Watching doesn't
53:41
Speaker 1: solve a problem. Watching exposes a problem. But if somebody
53:46
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to expose the problem, you'll never forced
53:49
Speaker 1: those in power to deal with it. As long as
53:52
Speaker 1: they can operate in the dark, they will continue to
53:55
Speaker 1: do whatever they want to do. But as soon as
53:57
Speaker 1: you put the light on something, everyone has to just
54:00
Speaker 1: because everyone's looking at what's being done. Wow, Rise Up.
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54:35
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54:38
Speaker 1: And uh, let me tell you something. There's only about
54:40
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five people in the world who's opinion of
54:43
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54:47
Speaker 1: I appreciate it much. Respect man, and you all respect.
54:50
Speaker 1: Thank you, my friend. Bye bye, all right, take you.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank You're excited to be with your guys. Well,
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Speaker 1: done some New Year's each show back in the day,
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Speaker 1: so I'm very familiar with the the lifestyle, the culture
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Speaker 1: of Amarillo, Texas, and you know, Texas a hot state
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Speaker 1: when it comes to heat. How did you miss, Bobby Q.
56:38
Speaker 1: That's what I want to know. Now, How did you
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Speaker 1: you know I'm a barbecue king? Now? How did I
56:43
Speaker 1: didn't see anything out there said barbecue? Not saying that's
56:46
Speaker 1: an insult to you. I'm just saying, talk about your
56:49
Speaker 1: origines and how you got to become the chef that
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Speaker 1: you are today. Well, as you know, I have no limits.
56:57
Speaker 1: Bobbecue is nothing my specialties, but I make some of
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Speaker 1: the best barbecue anyone ever make. I can't take anyone
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Speaker 1: down in barbecue. Not my specialty. As you know, my
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Speaker 1: specialty is French and an Awkwa Caribbean. But I'm in Texas.
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Speaker 1: As you know, in Texas is whether you do it
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Speaker 1: or you can't do it. Now, you're gonna come on,
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57:27
Speaker 1: gonna apologize. Keep talking rong because you're talking about food. Now,
57:30
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Speaker 1: to dive in. But keep talking because I love talking.
57:34
Speaker 1: Listen to your TV and watch you. Yeah, so you know,
57:38
Speaker 1: barbecue it's not my specialties, but I do some badass
57:43
Speaker 1: brobecure and I can't take anyone anywhere any place. As
57:48
Speaker 1: you know. Netflix, we tried to me. They want me
57:51
Speaker 1: to do it, Bobby cue Shure, and I said, no,
57:54
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay me, I'm not gonna do it. So
57:57
Speaker 1: that's why I didn't do it, because I guess that no,
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Speaker 1: I have some to your scale. Now, how did you
58:03
Speaker 1: get now into the whole cooking genre? You know, because
58:07
Speaker 1: of the fact that which is something you as a
58:09
Speaker 1: child that you was excited about when you when in
58:12
Speaker 1: the kitchen, you just had the natural skills. Did you
58:15
Speaker 1: go to school? Give us your background? Run Well, my background,
58:19
Speaker 1: I was borne raised in Haiti, uh, you know, and
58:23
Speaker 1: Haiti at the time growing up, mel wasn't allowed in
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Speaker 1: the kitchen. There's a couple of things for you doing
58:29
Speaker 1: kitchen is where there you're super poor or you're gay
58:33
Speaker 1: and uh. And I wasn't media of them. So the
58:38
Speaker 1: objective was to find a happy medium. So when I
58:42
Speaker 1: get to this state, I started working on a Little Italy.
58:45
Speaker 1: I worked with uh gentleman by the name of Philip
58:48
Speaker 1: Maran and his wife Anna Moran, and I said that
58:52
Speaker 1: I'm moving on to work with Chef Randall eight Cots,
58:56
Speaker 1: Chef Adam Savage bobs up As from Benchmark International. That's
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Speaker 1: one of these people who have ship up my career.
59:05
Speaker 1: And I said that I went to school in France.
59:07
Speaker 1: If run the court the cuisine because I want to
59:09
Speaker 1: be I want to be better than anyone out in
59:13
Speaker 1: this planet. I want to make as much money as anyone.
59:17
Speaker 1: And I don't want people to look at me for
59:20
Speaker 1: as Ronda Pratt. I want everyone to look at me
59:23
Speaker 1: as a shof So that's why part of my career,
59:27
Speaker 1: as you know, I have worked from the most prestigious
59:30
Speaker 1: splits in the world. That was the executive chef at
59:33
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59:37
Speaker 1: Rich Carlton, the executive chef h Bridgewater Country Club, the
59:43
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Speaker 1: the Murder Country Club. Okay now, and I love it.
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Speaker 1: I love it. See you know what I like about you?
59:52
Speaker 1: You put your resume out there Okay, you know, you know,
59:55
Speaker 1: it's like it's like, you know, it's like we're drawing
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Speaker 1: down in the middle of the street in the old
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Speaker 1: western town. You know, we're staring each other back. You know,
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1:00:08
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1:00:11
Speaker 1: just let you know. Well, you know, so many is
1:00:13
Speaker 1: a good experience talking to you. You have been, I've been,
1:00:16
Speaker 1: I have. I am your number one saying I love
1:00:19
Speaker 1: what you do. I haven't follow you, and I think
1:00:22
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1:00:24
Speaker 1: the things like this because of what you do. I
1:00:26
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1:00:29
Speaker 1: just happy to talk to you to connect it to you. Well,
1:00:32
Speaker 1: we're gonna continuous relationship offline because of the fact that
1:00:36
Speaker 1: you know, it's amazing how you look at people. And
1:00:38
Speaker 1: I've watched you on TV and I just love your
1:00:40
Speaker 1: energy and your direction and what you're doing with your
1:00:43
Speaker 1: career and your honesty and that and didn't know that
1:00:47
Speaker 1: I had that type of effect in your life. And
1:00:49
Speaker 1: it's such a positive manner, and that's my life. My
1:00:51
Speaker 1: life is about uplift. It's just I've been eighteen. I've
1:00:54
Speaker 1: always for some reason, my DNA has always been how
1:00:57
Speaker 1: can I make somebody else life better? Because in the end,
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1:01:02
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1:01:04
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Speaker 1: it from a lot of people, and it makes me
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Speaker 1: person like you to come on my shoulder tell their
1:01:18
Speaker 1: story because that story that you have can resonate success
1:01:22
Speaker 1: for somebody else. Uh now, now let's talk about just
1:01:26
Speaker 1: talk about you in general with this this cooking style
1:01:28
Speaker 1: of yours now, because I wanted people understand, Okay, you
1:01:31
Speaker 1: came from Haiti and I love Caribbean food. You jerk pork,
1:01:35
Speaker 1: I tell you o festivals, I'm telling you me. See,
1:01:43
Speaker 1: some people, some people do it right, some people do
1:01:46
Speaker 1: it wrong. And you know what I'm talking about. Some
1:01:48
Speaker 1: people commercialize it and so so because that's why it's
1:01:51
Speaker 1: kind of hard to find some good jerk pork stayside
1:01:54
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Speaker 1: they want to get. But jerk pork is my man.
1:01:59
Speaker 1: That's me right out roun. I love me some jerk
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Speaker 1: pork now, So tell me what exactly is cribbing style? Cookie?
1:02:08
Speaker 1: Tell us about that? Well, I, you know, there's different
1:02:12
Speaker 1: part of the Caribbean. We take us our day to
1:02:16
Speaker 1: explain to my day Caribbean. As you know where I'm from.
1:02:21
Speaker 1: We were first Espaniola. After that we've been French. After
1:02:28
Speaker 1: that we became Americans. So first we were slaved from Africa.
1:02:33
Speaker 1: So we take the African cuisine and we mix it
1:02:36
Speaker 1: with Spanish and we create our own flair. So now
1:02:40
Speaker 1: you have African, you have Spanish, and you have French.
1:02:45
Speaker 1: So this is so different. Confused, uh, coronate background uh
1:02:53
Speaker 1: And it's there. Um, it's there. That's why I call
1:02:59
Speaker 1: it for Caribbean. As an African American, Chelf I would
1:03:04
Speaker 1: bring the spice. I always bring the marinade this evening.
1:03:09
Speaker 1: And that's what makes us different than anything. That's important.
1:03:12
Speaker 1: Now let's talk about the French accent that you bring
1:03:15
Speaker 1: to your food. Explain to us that about that as
1:03:19
Speaker 1: you know, um, there have been an involvement about food.
1:03:24
Speaker 1: You know, the topic your French cuisine, butter, it's sovere liquid,
1:03:29
Speaker 1: natigens it, stuff like that. But you know, working with
1:03:34
Speaker 1: any country club with everyone is very contiguous of the health.
1:03:39
Speaker 1: So we have to take the body out of it.
1:03:41
Speaker 1: Well if we take the body out of it, so
1:03:43
Speaker 1: we have to bring a Caribbean flavor, which is the marinade,
1:03:48
Speaker 1: the spice, herbs, the garlic, the charlotte, the times there
1:03:53
Speaker 1: was made, the green onion, this scratch, bonnet pepper. So
1:03:56
Speaker 1: even we don't use that much butter, but we take
1:03:59
Speaker 1: that marrion, the flavor to bring the French Caribbean acts that.
1:04:04
Speaker 1: This is how I for this difference. As you know,
1:04:07
Speaker 1: there's so many chefs. Everybody thinks we are the best self,
1:04:10
Speaker 1: you know, but we all do. I think. Then let
1:04:14
Speaker 1: me assue this because because because you're you're one of
1:04:17
Speaker 1: these top of the food chain chefs. Because if you're recognized,
1:04:21
Speaker 1: you've been on TV, if you see the wards Incredible
1:04:25
Speaker 1: industry awards. Now okay, how if somebody is listening trying
1:04:31
Speaker 1: to not not make it to where you're getting, but
1:04:34
Speaker 1: trying to get into the business what are some of
1:04:37
Speaker 1: the early steps that a person can do. Discipline, discipline, discipline,
1:04:44
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1:04:57
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1:04:59
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1:05:06
Speaker 1: to learn how to become a great shaft. Right. You
1:05:10
Speaker 1: can be on TV making a fool of yourself, but
1:05:13
Speaker 1: a certain time you have to both to cook. You
1:05:16
Speaker 1: cannot uh complaining, always looking for here, and you have
1:05:21
Speaker 1: to be better than anyone else. So this is one
1:05:25
Speaker 1: of the first African American chef graduate from CIA nine seven.
1:05:31
Speaker 1: His name is Jessicon Evans. When I was watching his
1:05:35
Speaker 1: some of his early career, he went to look for
1:05:38
Speaker 1: a job and the white men told him, Jeff, I
1:05:42
Speaker 1: will hire you. It's one thing I wanted to tell you.
1:05:46
Speaker 1: You have to do two time more than what these
1:05:49
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1:05:52
Speaker 1: look at that I don't have to do more, I
1:05:55
Speaker 1: don't have to work harder than everyone else, but I'm
1:05:58
Speaker 1: enjoyed doing it. But that's the only thing I know
1:06:01
Speaker 1: to do. To be the best. You gotta push every day.
1:06:03
Speaker 1: You gotta practice, as you know, if you know how
1:06:06
Speaker 1: much Michael Jordan's practice, how much Kobe Bryant practice, if
1:06:10
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1:06:13
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1:06:16
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1:06:20
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1:06:22
Speaker 1: your fast. You know when I thank you that and
1:06:26
Speaker 1: you're absolutely true. You know. I look at people, they
1:06:29
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1:06:31
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, and some people go, who that's
1:06:34
Speaker 1: too early for me? Okay, I don't know what career
1:06:36
Speaker 1: you're playing, but there there there has to be a
1:06:38
Speaker 1: set time that you have to get up every day
1:06:41
Speaker 1: to be successful. You can't get up at five one day,
1:06:43
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1:06:46
Speaker 1: up when the clock allows you up with no along clock.
1:06:49
Speaker 1: You have to have a set pattern. That's what you're
1:06:50
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1:06:52
Speaker 1: work correct room. Yes, sir, yes, sir, I mean were
1:06:58
Speaker 1: harder every day because nobody cares if you don't work hard. Yeah,
1:07:03
Speaker 1: you can be an executive chef and people don't know
1:07:05
Speaker 1: when you're gonna come to work or don't know if
1:07:07
Speaker 1: you're gonna set the menu the day before, are gonna
1:07:10
Speaker 1: sample the mixture. Everybody's on point. There's a certain in leadership.
1:07:14
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that too, because you being an African
1:07:16
Speaker 1: American man and the mail and uh in this position
1:07:20
Speaker 1: in America and then I'm not saying anything negative, but
1:07:23
Speaker 1: there your position is a rare position and you have
1:07:26
Speaker 1: to show leadership and diversity and also being able to
1:07:30
Speaker 1: accept any type of criticism. Talk about your role as
1:07:34
Speaker 1: an executive chef at dominant white institutions so far in
1:07:39
Speaker 1: your life, talk about how you navigate that those those
1:07:43
Speaker 1: those those those those lanes to be successful and stay
1:07:46
Speaker 1: at the top of the food chain. So to speak. Well, again,
1:07:52
Speaker 1: I want to talk about discipline. You know, when I
1:07:54
Speaker 1: have the first opportunity, when chef FRIENDO Cox give me
1:07:58
Speaker 1: an opportunity, or Adam salvage u U vibs out for Telly,
1:08:05
Speaker 1: when I do games were dinner. I don't think because
1:08:08
Speaker 1: I'm better than any chefs, but it's my discipline and
1:08:12
Speaker 1: some of the places I work and be able to
1:08:14
Speaker 1: manage plenty, to mandal for the beverage, be able to
1:08:17
Speaker 1: have naturally responsible, be able to cover anything is not
1:08:23
Speaker 1: better than any white shafts. And they all know that.
1:08:26
Speaker 1: And then to me, I told him, I'm chefs first
1:08:29
Speaker 1: and I'm African American second. I mean, some people get
1:08:32
Speaker 1: offended when I say that. I said, well, ef, I
1:08:36
Speaker 1: was interview for a job. There's probably so many people
1:08:40
Speaker 1: who better than me, who could get it. But because
1:08:42
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1:08:47
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1:08:50
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1:08:53
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1:08:57
Speaker 1: that's really important because of the fact that when I
1:08:59
Speaker 1: look at the town of the person like you and
1:09:00
Speaker 1: a lot of people, because you make it look so easy,
1:09:03
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1:09:06
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1:09:08
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1:09:10
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1:09:14
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1:09:18
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1:09:21
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1:09:24
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1:09:29
Speaker 1: and eight, I did it dinner. I did sold out
1:09:32
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1:09:35
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1:09:38
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1:09:41
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1:09:45
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1:09:49
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1:09:51
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1:09:54
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1:09:56
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1:09:59
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1:10:02
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1:10:05
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1:10:14
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1:10:17
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1:10:43
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1:10:45
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1:10:48
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1:10:52
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1:10:54
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1:14:51
Speaker 1: he was named Industry Chef of the Year. If its
1:14:53
Speaker 1: name sounds familiar, it should be. Currently, he's the food
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Speaker 1: and Beverage Director executive chef at Emoridal Golfing Country Club
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Speaker 1: and Amarillo, Texas. He first game recognition when we saw
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Speaker 1: him on Bravo's Top Chef and it's been opening doors
1:15:06
Speaker 1: every ever since. Now, you mentioned something about what's going
1:15:09
Speaker 1: on in the country right now, and what's going on
1:15:11
Speaker 1: in the country right now is COVID ninteen, and COVID
1:15:14
Speaker 1: ninteen is overtly affecting people of color, African Americans. What
1:15:18
Speaker 1: is your what is your take on this and what
1:15:21
Speaker 1: role are you trying to play the hip US out
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Speaker 1: run well. I think there's more than COVID nineteen hopkining
1:15:29
Speaker 1: right now in America. We can disagree on that, we
1:15:33
Speaker 1: can agree to disagree. I think the COVID nineteen is
1:15:36
Speaker 1: one of the things happening, Like if you look at
1:15:39
Speaker 1: all the racial tension, the Black lives matter, I think
1:15:43
Speaker 1: this is bigger problem. Understand, two hundred people died from
1:15:48
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen, but there's more people's suffer, suffer by polite
1:15:55
Speaker 1: in justice, so many things. I think it's more than
1:15:58
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen happened right now, I think, um, it is
1:16:03
Speaker 1: time for everyone what it is me you to talk about,
1:16:07
Speaker 1: love to talk about. Let's get together, let's break red
1:16:10
Speaker 1: and for the COVID nine team, let's follow the CDC guideline.
1:16:14
Speaker 1: Let's watch our hands and let's wear and let's be respectful. Now.
1:16:20
Speaker 1: I'm not going to disagree with you, Ron, okay, because
1:16:24
Speaker 1: I am at the forefront of trying to create remedies,
1:16:29
Speaker 1: trying to create solutions, trying to understand that there are
1:16:31
Speaker 1: CDC guidelines that must be followed because I have to
1:16:35
Speaker 1: protect you and you have to protect me. We're family,
1:16:37
Speaker 1: you know, we're you know, we're all all in this together.
1:16:41
Speaker 1: And nobody's playing games out there, and they're unfortunate. People
1:16:44
Speaker 1: are playing games with that now in your in your kitchen. Now,
1:16:47
Speaker 1: when the pandemic hit and the country shut down, how
1:16:51
Speaker 1: did that affect your business? How did that affect where
1:16:54
Speaker 1: you work, at your working atmosphere? And how did you reopen?
1:16:58
Speaker 1: Were you opening by became scientists by sorrow? Dr FAXI,
1:17:05
Speaker 1: but make sure we clean, we clean, we clean, and
1:17:08
Speaker 1: we clean again. We take temperature of all our employees.
1:17:13
Speaker 1: We make sure the all distance things. Of course, we
1:17:16
Speaker 1: have to spend more money to make less because now
1:17:20
Speaker 1: we need more employees to do more and to serve
1:17:23
Speaker 1: less people. As you know, most people want to do
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Speaker 1: take out. So I think it's that's a great scenario
1:17:32
Speaker 1: where some people can afford to do it. Some people
1:17:35
Speaker 1: may not effort to do as you know um with
1:17:40
Speaker 1: the six speed table that cannot afford to pay the bills.
1:17:46
Speaker 1: So we all have to go back to the drawing,
1:17:49
Speaker 1: but to see how can we be become innovated to
1:17:54
Speaker 1: make sure everyone is happy while we take care members,
1:17:57
Speaker 1: I guess and make sure I imploy. Is a sect
1:18:02
Speaker 1: and we are not doctors. We are shots, absolutely, but
1:18:06
Speaker 1: you're affecting you know, my life, my life when I
1:18:10
Speaker 1: come in there and somebody gets food, and building trust
1:18:13
Speaker 1: that they can come to your place and eat and
1:18:16
Speaker 1: and and and and take your food to go and
1:18:18
Speaker 1: things like that. That's what we're talking about, right and
1:18:20
Speaker 1: building trust in a meal now a meal that's not
1:18:23
Speaker 1: made at home. And so so what obstacles you know,
1:18:28
Speaker 1: we we we can't fix something over not because we
1:18:30
Speaker 1: all know COVID nineteen it's not going anywhere. It's gonna
1:18:33
Speaker 1: be there they're get a vaccine, but we're always be
1:18:35
Speaker 1: taking the vaccine because it's a an incredible virus is
1:18:38
Speaker 1: coming to our lives. That's overtly affecting people of color
1:18:42
Speaker 1: and African Americans and people who are who are presisting conditions.
1:18:46
Speaker 1: Ninety four percent of the people who've died from COVID
1:18:49
Speaker 1: nineteen have had pre existing medical conditions. A lot of
1:18:52
Speaker 1: people don't know that. And so when I when I
1:18:55
Speaker 1: when I when, I rather off this information. Like you said, Rashan,
1:18:58
Speaker 1: this is COVID nineteen maybe happening. But we've always had
1:19:01
Speaker 1: heart disease. We've always had cancer, we've always had stroke,
1:19:05
Speaker 1: we've always had high blood question, we've always had diabetes.
1:19:08
Speaker 1: This is just magnifying it. So if I'm hearing you
1:19:12
Speaker 1: correct Rong, in some such situations, we need to look
1:19:15
Speaker 1: at the problems before COVID, a team came and fix
1:19:19
Speaker 1: those problems. Two. Well, I agree with you. As you know,
1:19:25
Speaker 1: I'm starting a movement called mind Food, Eating for my
1:19:29
Speaker 1: beloved community. My foot is eating for my beloved community.
1:19:34
Speaker 1: It's gonna be an action where me you, we all
1:19:37
Speaker 1: sit down at the table and said what can we do?
1:19:41
Speaker 1: We all we are not in the same financial bracket.
1:19:45
Speaker 1: But what can we do for everyone can have access
1:19:48
Speaker 1: to healthy food. Everyone can, but access to vegetables, to fruit,
1:19:54
Speaker 1: to stuff. Right that, what can we do? Uh? This
1:19:57
Speaker 1: is a conversation some people afraid to have, but I
1:20:00
Speaker 1: am willing to have that conversation for anyone, whether they
1:20:03
Speaker 1: wan't listening or now. Well, it was interesting because of
1:20:06
Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen. For the first time, I had a
1:20:09
Speaker 1: garden at my house. You know, I did the tomatoes,
1:20:13
Speaker 1: I did peppers, I did okraw, I did a sage
1:20:18
Speaker 1: and um um. And also I did uh how I
1:20:22
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1:20:25
Speaker 1: as well, and so and so. I was amazed at
1:20:30
Speaker 1: how easy it was. Wrong, and the return on my
1:20:35
Speaker 1: investment was ridiculous. I can't I had tomatoes after tomatoes.
1:20:40
Speaker 1: I must have. I had three tomato plans. I must
1:20:42
Speaker 1: have gotten a hundred tomatoes. Offer that tomato plan, those
1:20:45
Speaker 1: three tomato plans. That's correct, And it tastes different, and
1:20:49
Speaker 1: it tastes different, Yes, sir, yes, sir. Well guess what
1:20:54
Speaker 1: if you can use that to tell me to just
1:20:58
Speaker 1: some other people, to I guarantee that one would be
1:21:02
Speaker 1: a better place. Well, I'm gonna tell you this wrong.
1:21:05
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1:21:08
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1:21:11
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1:21:12
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1:21:16
Speaker 1: about it is that we're like minded and what we're
1:21:18
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1:21:20
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1:21:22
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1:21:24
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1:21:27
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1:21:30
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1:21:32
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1:21:45
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1:21:48
Speaker 1: so with that being said, what what's your goals? What
1:21:50
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1:21:52
Speaker 1: we're gonna share our information. What's your goals in general?
1:21:55
Speaker 1: For your brand run and what you're trying to do
1:21:58
Speaker 1: for the people will try to do the people. Let's
1:22:02
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1:22:08
Speaker 1: be each other's brothers keeper. Let's see what we can
1:22:12
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1:22:17
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1:22:21
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1:22:29
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1:22:34
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1:22:38
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1:22:42
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1:22:46
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1:22:50
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1:22:54
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1:22:58
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1:23:03
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1:23:08
Speaker 1: but you're an American. Your vote can make it different.
1:23:13
Speaker 1: Your vote came from you to rive. Wow, you know
1:23:18
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1:23:22
Speaker 1: it takes more than the one voice to make a change.
1:23:25
Speaker 1: It takes a collective. It takes like minded. It takes
1:23:28
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1:23:31
Speaker 1: we're gonna cross over twoion thousand people uh dying from
1:23:34
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1:23:38
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1:23:42
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1:23:45
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1:23:47
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1:23:49
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1:23:52
Speaker 1: if you make an effort. And that's what your whole
1:23:54
Speaker 1: that's what this whole interview has been about. When I
1:23:56
Speaker 1: look at listen to what you just said. It's about
1:23:59
Speaker 1: being focused, working hard, and being determined to succeed against
1:24:03
Speaker 1: all odds. And that's all you. That's your whole career,
1:24:05
Speaker 1: that's your whole life right wrong, Yes, sir, And that's
1:24:08
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1:24:12
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1:24:13
Speaker 1: are good buddies. Now we're friends, free friends. I can't wait.
1:24:20
Speaker 1: We were gonna do it. We're gonna do it. Not
1:24:22
Speaker 1: my wife, you know, she won't let me get on
1:24:24
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1:24:27
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1:24:29
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1:24:31
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1:24:35
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1:24:37
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1:24:40
Speaker 1: One thing I know is that life is about taking chances.
1:24:43
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1:24:46
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1:24:48
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1:24:51
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1:24:53
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1:24:56
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1:24:58
Speaker 1: we can't live a very s of all of our
1:25:00
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1:25:04
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1:25:07
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1:25:12
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1:25:15
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1:25:17
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1:29:19
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1:29:22
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1:30:20
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1:31:01
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1:31:06
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1:31:10
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1:31:12
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1:31:14
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1:31:17
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1:31:38
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1:31:41
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1:31:44
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1:31:46
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1:31:52
Speaker 1: And so Dina, I have to look at you as
1:31:54
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1:31:57
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1:31:59
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1:32:04
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1:32:10
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1:32:13
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1:32:19
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1:32:22
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1:32:24
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1:32:27
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1:32:30
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1:32:33
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1:32:37
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1:32:41
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1:32:45
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1:32:48
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1:32:50
Speaker 1: they look past the beauty and they start really wanting
1:32:55
Speaker 1: wanting to work with you based on your skill set
1:32:58
Speaker 1: and what you can bring to the table. So I
1:33:00
Speaker 1: just the way I've done it in a male dominated industry.
1:33:03
Speaker 1: Is just maintained my respect and earned my respect by
1:33:07
Speaker 1: doing the work and doing it well and having to
1:33:11
Speaker 1: do it a lot of times better than my male counterparts.
1:33:15
Speaker 1: You do and that's but this is like I said, oh,
1:33:19
Speaker 1: you know, cording to couldn't say this. You know, as
1:33:21
Speaker 1: a minority sometimes as often said that, we said we
1:33:23
Speaker 1: have to be two times or three times better than
1:33:26
Speaker 1: the white person to get the respect and still get
1:33:29
Speaker 1: a check. They're smaller than them. And that's kind of
1:33:31
Speaker 1: frustrating because it's actually true. And so from a sales standpoint, coordinate,
1:33:36
Speaker 1: you've had to deal with that. First of all, sales
1:33:38
Speaker 1: are generally a male dominated lane. And then you down
1:33:40
Speaker 1: in Tampa, which is the tip of Florida. So when
1:33:44
Speaker 1: I met you, you were successful, you were vibrant. You
1:33:47
Speaker 1: you have my attention, and because you knew what you
1:33:49
Speaker 1: wanted to do. Maybe because I grew up with six sisters,
1:33:51
Speaker 1: so I always had a respect for knowledge that came
1:33:54
Speaker 1: out of women, came to that came from women when
1:33:56
Speaker 1: they spoke to me. So what are some of the
1:33:59
Speaker 1: mysteries all the walls that you have to climb as
1:34:02
Speaker 1: a female, Because we're gonna get to the agency, because
1:34:05
Speaker 1: that's important that I said, who you guys up before
1:34:07
Speaker 1: we start talking about this agency, Courtney. So so I
1:34:11
Speaker 1: think for me it's always been about making sure that
1:34:15
Speaker 1: I am heard and and that I can bring value
1:34:19
Speaker 1: to the table. Rather it was with clear channel, which
1:34:22
Speaker 1: is what it was when we met, or through the
1:34:25
Speaker 1: work that I do today. And to piggyback on what
1:34:27
Speaker 1: Dina said, you just you have to always learn, especially
1:34:33
Speaker 1: in the male dominated industry, to listen, listen, listen, because
1:34:37
Speaker 1: I think just men and women naturally have a different
1:34:40
Speaker 1: way of communicating. And not to be stereotypical, but men
1:34:45
Speaker 1: are sometimes more aggressive, more comfortable in confrontational roles. And
1:34:50
Speaker 1: for me, it was just about listening and always coming
1:34:52
Speaker 1: back to the table with the solution with the result
1:34:55
Speaker 1: kind of staying keeping my little balance self and you know,
1:35:00
Speaker 1: conversations with the guys and agreeing and and just positioning.
1:35:03
Speaker 1: You know a lot of times I would just listen
1:35:05
Speaker 1: in the beginning, especially when I was in Tampa, I
1:35:07
Speaker 1: was the only female and the management team, um, and
1:35:10
Speaker 1: you know, meetings could get crazy and egos to get
1:35:13
Speaker 1: in the way, and you listen, you you know, agree
1:35:17
Speaker 1: where you agree, but then you circle back around and say, hey, guys,
1:35:20
Speaker 1: have you thought about it like this? I think that's
1:35:22
Speaker 1: amazing the way you want to do it. Maybe we
1:35:24
Speaker 1: can add this, we can add that, and just kind
1:35:26
Speaker 1: of be supportive at first, and that allows you to
1:35:29
Speaker 1: get your voice heard, That allows you to get your
1:35:32
Speaker 1: you know, your perspective out there. And then when you
1:35:35
Speaker 1: consistently do that, then the guys again, it just you
1:35:38
Speaker 1: just become a part of the team and they come
1:35:41
Speaker 1: to you for that expertise because you're you're able to
1:35:44
Speaker 1: actually bring I think a better balance of energy to
1:35:47
Speaker 1: the table and kind of pull things down a little
1:35:49
Speaker 1: bit and still, um, you can still be heard. Just
1:35:53
Speaker 1: my approach has always kind of been a little different
1:35:55
Speaker 1: in how I'm heart and when I was gonna say,
1:36:01
Speaker 1: being honest with your clients as well is really important
1:36:04
Speaker 1: because a lot of times, when you're dealing with some
1:36:05
Speaker 1: high profile people, people are afraid to be honest with
1:36:10
Speaker 1: them as as people on their team. And I think
1:36:13
Speaker 1: that my clients would say that I'm always honest whether
1:36:16
Speaker 1: you want to do it or not, and whether I
1:36:18
Speaker 1: agree or not, I'm gonna give you my perspective and
1:36:20
Speaker 1: still support you on that is. I think the key
1:36:24
Speaker 1: to a lot of high profile people staying out of
1:36:27
Speaker 1: trouble is by being honest, by being a person who
1:36:30
Speaker 1: says I don't think that's a good idea, and because
1:36:33
Speaker 1: the not saying it means that you should have said it.
1:36:37
Speaker 1: And so when I look at when I listened to
1:36:38
Speaker 1: a Coordinate and Dina, how did you guys get together
1:36:41
Speaker 1: to form to see a d okay? I got I
1:36:45
Speaker 1: know about your Brandina Coordinate. I'm aware of your brand
1:36:48
Speaker 1: from past history. How did you two ladies, because you're
1:36:51
Speaker 1: coming from different different landscapes, even though according to your
1:36:55
Speaker 1: planning music from a standpoint at a radio station tied
1:36:59
Speaker 1: to clear channel, which is heart media. And do you
1:37:01
Speaker 1: know you know you came from record labels as well
1:37:03
Speaker 1: and moved into talent management. So I feel a sense
1:37:07
Speaker 1: of the cross But how did you guys come together? Well,
1:37:12
Speaker 1: here's the thing. We have been friends for a long time,
1:37:14
Speaker 1: and we've actually worked on projects in the past together
1:37:17
Speaker 1: here and there. We've always talked about doing something together.
1:37:21
Speaker 1: And when we had to sit down for a second
1:37:24
Speaker 1: during this pandemic and and just had a moment to
1:37:28
Speaker 1: look around and see what was going on, we felt
1:37:31
Speaker 1: like it was the appropriate time because we had a
1:37:33
Speaker 1: time to focus in and and know what was really needed.
1:37:37
Speaker 1: I think the I think being united is needed more
1:37:40
Speaker 1: than ever right now, especially with women, and so we
1:37:44
Speaker 1: decided to just go for it. And the best part
1:37:47
Speaker 1: about it is that Courtney is an expert in her
1:37:50
Speaker 1: world with marketing and branding and pr and I'm an
1:37:53
Speaker 1: expert in my world on the management side with talent
1:37:56
Speaker 1: and project management and operations. So we're just come finding
1:38:00
Speaker 1: forces and being more powerful. Together. We could easily be
1:38:04
Speaker 1: successful continue to be successful on our own and our
1:38:07
Speaker 1: individual journeys. But the most important thing here is that
1:38:10
Speaker 1: we both believe that our greater purpose is to mentor
1:38:13
Speaker 1: and lead the next generation of women leaders. And that's
1:38:18
Speaker 1: important that you know, um when you say that, which
1:38:22
Speaker 1: is very powerful. And you started your business doing the pandemic, okay,
1:38:26
Speaker 1: launched it, and I basically I bought a building during
1:38:31
Speaker 1: the pandemic, and and you know, and I say that
1:38:36
Speaker 1: because in a way, first of all, it's very tragic
1:38:39
Speaker 1: because it overtly affects people sixty five in the minority community.
1:38:43
Speaker 1: And secondly, but from a business perspective, and I feel
1:38:46
Speaker 1: it allowed me to catch up, you know, because a
1:38:49
Speaker 1: lot of competition was shut down in the second quarter,
1:38:52
Speaker 1: live events with advertisers pull all the media from in
1:38:55
Speaker 1: the second quarter. The third quarters started trickling black. You
1:38:57
Speaker 1: started getting virtual events, and then so talent started to
1:39:01
Speaker 1: creep back out in some productions, especially entertainment, started to
1:39:04
Speaker 1: go back out. So I commend you because I felt
1:39:08
Speaker 1: that what you're doing is very smart, because that's what
1:39:10
Speaker 1: I did. The first quarter. I was getting my brand together,
1:39:13
Speaker 1: trying to define that second quarter, getting all my legal paperwork,
1:39:17
Speaker 1: making sure I would launching site. I launched a whole
1:39:18
Speaker 1: new platform in the in the third quarter. In fourth quarter,
1:39:22
Speaker 1: I tell my team it's time to make money, and
1:39:24
Speaker 1: we will make money because we've established that is that
1:39:26
Speaker 1: Courtney a sense of what you guys are doing. The
1:39:30
Speaker 1: plants in place. Pandemic hit. It didn't throw any fear
1:39:33
Speaker 1: into your through sadness and through complications of how to
1:39:36
Speaker 1: do business. But it didn't alter your dreams. No, it
1:39:39
Speaker 1: didn't actually um speed it up, because it gave us
1:39:42
Speaker 1: time to kind of reassess what we were doing. Um
1:39:46
Speaker 1: of course, we were kind of all forced to quiet down,
1:39:49
Speaker 1: kind of reflect on you know, personally from a career standpoint,
1:39:53
Speaker 1: what's really important to me, Like, what's gonna drive me
1:39:55
Speaker 1: how when we come on out on the other side
1:39:58
Speaker 1: of this thing. What do I want to do? What
1:40:00
Speaker 1: do What are the causes that I care about? What
1:40:02
Speaker 1: are the kind of clients that I want want to
1:40:03
Speaker 1: work with? Where messages that I want to get out
1:40:06
Speaker 1: into the culture. And so, like DNA said, we've talked
1:40:09
Speaker 1: about joining forces before, and we knew that we could
1:40:14
Speaker 1: um complement each other's expertise but also scale the work
1:40:18
Speaker 1: that we do because a lot of times, obviously DNA's
1:40:21
Speaker 1: working on projects where it involves marketing and branding. I
1:40:25
Speaker 1: work on projects sometimes where we're hiring out talents. So
1:40:29
Speaker 1: we knew that just coming together would allow us again
1:40:32
Speaker 1: to grow, but also do work that was more meaningful
1:40:36
Speaker 1: and to come together to do something really important to
1:40:40
Speaker 1: make sure that the narrative that the future is female
1:40:43
Speaker 1: isn't just something that we say, but that we're actively
1:40:46
Speaker 1: doing our part to make sure that we're supporting that
1:40:49
Speaker 1: narrative and the work that that we're doing, and we're
1:40:52
Speaker 1: bringing other very talented and the word you use was
1:40:56
Speaker 1: innovative women along. So that was really important for us.
1:41:00
Speaker 1: When I say that word, I say that word with respect.
1:41:02
Speaker 1: I said that word with a lot of uh you know,
1:41:05
Speaker 1: and and I don't. And I like to believe that
1:41:07
Speaker 1: I'm one of those guys. I would tell that people
1:41:09
Speaker 1: that are twenty four hours in the day learn to
1:41:10
Speaker 1: use every hour. And when I say and, I said
1:41:14
Speaker 1: as a compliment because I know how passionate I am,
1:41:16
Speaker 1: and I know my resume when I say, you two
1:41:18
Speaker 1: are kind of like a versions of me, and and
1:41:22
Speaker 1: and because it's a testament to your ability to be
1:41:25
Speaker 1: able to adjust to change, and you're not in your
1:41:28
Speaker 1: fearless And you also understand that I know when I
1:41:31
Speaker 1: walk in the room that I'm a black guy. I
1:41:33
Speaker 1: know when I got I know, I know when you're
1:41:35
Speaker 1: walking room your attractive ladies. That's something you have to
1:41:38
Speaker 1: admit and sometimes you have to admit that people have
1:41:42
Speaker 1: to be trained on what you bring to the table.
1:41:45
Speaker 1: And with that being said, you've launched an all female
1:41:49
Speaker 1: lead agency in Atlanta, Georgia. Dina, Why, Well, I'm it's
1:41:59
Speaker 1: it's really the top that we're talking about money making conversations.
1:42:02
Speaker 1: We're trying to level the playing field. We're trying to
1:42:04
Speaker 1: close that gap for women to make the money that
1:42:08
Speaker 1: they deserve to make. Two, especially for minority women to
1:42:12
Speaker 1: have more opportunity, and really and really help women work
1:42:17
Speaker 1: together and not be competitive against each other. I find
1:42:19
Speaker 1: that a lot of times, especially in these male dominated industries,
1:42:23
Speaker 1: we are pitted against each other and it's a lot
1:42:25
Speaker 1: of competition. But I think we're stronger if we can
1:42:27
Speaker 1: actually work together. So we want to be that example.
1:42:31
Speaker 1: We kind of want to show shed the light on
1:42:33
Speaker 1: that journey of getting women who are great at what
1:42:36
Speaker 1: they do, who are very skillful, having us collaborate together
1:42:41
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1:42:43
Speaker 1: really the main reason we're we're doing this agency. Of
1:42:47
Speaker 1: course we want to make money, but we want to
1:42:48
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Speaker 1: making conversations. I'm your host, Sean mcdown. That's very true.
1:44:02
Speaker 1: Um money is really in the beginning of my intro says,
1:44:06
Speaker 1: you know, there's people have a version of what it's
1:44:09
Speaker 1: a sizeable paycheck is some people is is a large check.
1:44:13
Speaker 1: I'm driven by the fact that opportunity drives me, and
1:44:16
Speaker 1: I think that's a sense of who I'm talking to him,
1:44:19
Speaker 1: Dina and courting you opportunities because if you don't have
1:44:21
Speaker 1: an opportunity, you can't get in the door to make
1:44:23
Speaker 1: your play or make your statement, then the money is
1:44:26
Speaker 1: gonna come because you're skilled at it. Now two words
1:44:29
Speaker 1: that we here popular popularize all the time. It annoys
1:44:32
Speaker 1: me so much. Marketing and branding, especially the word brand.
1:44:36
Speaker 1: I just I can't stand that words not because people
1:44:38
Speaker 1: just throw it out nowadays like they know exactly what.
1:44:41
Speaker 1: Oh no, exactly branding expert, I can hear that one
1:44:45
Speaker 1: more time. Oh my god, I'm a branding expert. So courting, Yeah,
1:44:54
Speaker 1: they'll just show you an example, Okay. In two thousand,
1:44:56
Speaker 1: when I started managing the I used to work for
1:44:58
Speaker 1: IBM okay, so corporate. So from a corporate standpoint, I
1:45:03
Speaker 1: knew where the brand was was IBM okay. So when
1:45:06
Speaker 1: I looked at Steve, I looked at I said, I'm
1:45:09
Speaker 1: gonna treat him just like a corporation. I'm giving the
1:45:13
Speaker 1: same rules, the same standards, the same belief that the
1:45:15
Speaker 1: corporation sets itself up for consider their brand, because I
1:45:19
Speaker 1: will tell you. I would tell people, you know, corporations,
1:45:22
Speaker 1: they they just shout out. They tell you they got
1:45:24
Speaker 1: the best hamburger, they got the best car, They've got
1:45:26
Speaker 1: the best cell phone and all these things. And that's
1:45:28
Speaker 1: why I'm enjoying this interview because I'm like bouncing back
1:45:31
Speaker 1: between versions of my brain left right, left, right, left right.
1:45:35
Speaker 1: But branding expert, Courtney, what is that? What is a
1:45:39
Speaker 1: branding expert? Please help me. I'm so sad and I
1:45:44
Speaker 1: love this question because people use the words branding and
1:45:49
Speaker 1: market marketing together like it's the same thing, and it's not.
1:45:52
Speaker 1: So we all know that a brand is just the
1:45:55
Speaker 1: way someone when I say with Sean, what comes to
1:46:00
Speaker 1: people's mind? The energy, the images, the feeling, it's the
1:46:04
Speaker 1: story that we share out into the world because of
1:46:08
Speaker 1: the things we do right, And so we know in
1:46:11
Speaker 1: a corporate world it's a nice logo and it's a position, right,
1:46:15
Speaker 1: like your hamburgers are gonna be you know, mid tier
1:46:20
Speaker 1: loads here, heights here, right. But for people and the
1:46:24
Speaker 1: kind of work that we do, branding is about what's
1:46:27
Speaker 1: the experience you're creating for people? What's the vibe that
1:46:30
Speaker 1: you get when you interact with us? Our brand. It's
1:46:33
Speaker 1: all about women's empowerment. It's all about being inclusive, it's
1:46:37
Speaker 1: all about having fun. It's all about doing meaningful work
1:46:40
Speaker 1: that's gonna make a real different and community of the
1:46:42
Speaker 1: African American community and communities of color. It's about showing
1:46:47
Speaker 1: a different narrative to women doing business together in one
1:46:52
Speaker 1: It's about positivity, connection, collaboration, and it's about when people
1:46:57
Speaker 1: interact with me and Dina specifically with our in and
1:47:00
Speaker 1: seeing DV agency. We want people to walk away feeling empowered,
1:47:04
Speaker 1: excited about moving towards again a more powerful, collaborative, inclusive
1:47:10
Speaker 1: community of whatever you're doing. So for us, it's it's
1:47:15
Speaker 1: women doing business and male dominated industries and making them
1:47:19
Speaker 1: feel good, you know, good about themselves. So it's just
1:47:21
Speaker 1: experience that we create with the colors we use, the
1:47:25
Speaker 1: events that we curate, the messages that we said, and
1:47:28
Speaker 1: it's about being consistent in those things. And those things
1:47:31
Speaker 1: create the heartbeat of who you are as a company,
1:47:34
Speaker 1: as a person, and then your marketing shares that messages
1:47:38
Speaker 1: out into the world through different platforms and stories and
1:47:41
Speaker 1: events and situations. See how smart she is. She's good, Um,
1:47:51
Speaker 1: she's scary good I mean, you know what I mean?
1:47:56
Speaker 1: You are you blessing? You are you blessing? Okay, I
1:48:00
Speaker 1: remember that was my first take on you many years ago,
1:48:03
Speaker 1: and to see where you've transformed or evolved too is amazing.
1:48:08
Speaker 1: Now when when when I heard you talk Cordony, it
1:48:12
Speaker 1: felt more like from a business standpoint, from you know,
1:48:15
Speaker 1: from a from a uh like like you know, a
1:48:18
Speaker 1: product standpoint. And then I turned to Dina and you
1:48:21
Speaker 1: used the word branding expert when it comes to talent.
1:48:26
Speaker 1: What does that mean, Dina? When it comes to talent, talent,
1:48:32
Speaker 1: talent is a brand in itself, so any any any artist,
1:48:37
Speaker 1: any any person that like yourself, you are at You
1:48:41
Speaker 1: are talent and you are your own brands. So we
1:48:44
Speaker 1: have to do the same thing. We have to maintain
1:48:46
Speaker 1: the proper messaging what we want people to know and
1:48:49
Speaker 1: feel about you, how we wanted to look overall, how
1:48:52
Speaker 1: we wanted to feel. So it's pretty much the same
1:48:56
Speaker 1: way as hamburgers, but it's a person which makes it,
1:49:00
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit more complicated. Hamburger don't talk, Hamburger
1:49:03
Speaker 1: don't talk right. Hamburgers don't mess up somethings. Sometimes when
1:49:08
Speaker 1: they talk, they don't post on social media. They don't
1:49:10
Speaker 1: do that, right. Hamburgers don't change their minds sometimes the
1:49:15
Speaker 1: morning when you have a plan and then they decide,
1:49:17
Speaker 1: their mood just shifts and they want to do something else.
1:49:20
Speaker 1: That's you know, it's a little different. And hammer and
1:49:22
Speaker 1: Hamburgers don't throw your strange looks either, that's right, Like
1:49:27
Speaker 1: you're the crazy one in the room. Really and Hamburger
1:49:30
Speaker 1: will not throw you under the bus when you know
1:49:33
Speaker 1: what I mean. I love it. I love it. I've
1:49:36
Speaker 1: talked to my two sisters I'm talking to you know.
1:49:39
Speaker 1: We're behind the scenes. We we we are the ladies
1:49:41
Speaker 1: that are always behind the scenes, the secret weapons that
1:49:44
Speaker 1: a lot of times people don't even know exist. But
1:49:47
Speaker 1: we are an integral part of the team that we're on. Cool.
1:49:52
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Let's brag a little bit. Okay, I
1:49:54
Speaker 1: mentioned a little bit about t I and some of
1:49:56
Speaker 1: the accomplishment. Talk about some of your products, Dina, and
1:49:59
Speaker 1: then court them from new you. Okay, okay. Well, my
1:50:02
Speaker 1: history has been in the music business mainly. I started
1:50:05
Speaker 1: a PR firm, an entertainment PR firm, when I was
1:50:07
Speaker 1: nineteen in college and then I met l a read
1:50:10
Speaker 1: when I was twenty one, and he handpicked and hired
1:50:12
Speaker 1: me to work with him at Island def Jam. So
1:50:14
Speaker 1: I was on his A and R team for six
1:50:16
Speaker 1: years and I helped with Janet Jackson, L Cool, j
1:50:19
Speaker 1: Nas Young, Jeez, Rick Ross, and and so many others
1:50:23
Speaker 1: when jay Z was president, and then I left to
1:50:25
Speaker 1: start my own artist development company and I built a
1:50:29
Speaker 1: recording studio in midtown Atlanta called twelve Music and Studios.
1:50:34
Speaker 1: I ran and operated that operated that facility, and I
1:50:38
Speaker 1: nurtured and managed talent for seven years. Then t I
1:50:42
Speaker 1: called me and wanted me back on his team because
1:50:44
Speaker 1: we worked together previously when I was a lot younger
1:50:47
Speaker 1: and he was putting out trap music, and I got
1:50:50
Speaker 1: back on his team and I've been on his management
1:50:52
Speaker 1: team helping out for the last three years. So I
1:50:55
Speaker 1: also sold my studio about a year and a half ago,
1:50:58
Speaker 1: just so I could do more focus on the new
1:51:01
Speaker 1: things that I wanted to do and to kind of
1:51:03
Speaker 1: pivot and the same thing that we're doing now with
1:51:05
Speaker 1: pivoting with this agency, which is really a blessing, I'll say,
1:51:08
Speaker 1: because we're at the point in our career as we
1:51:11
Speaker 1: would get to kind of pick and choose who we
1:51:13
Speaker 1: want to work with, and that's truly a blessing. We
1:51:15
Speaker 1: don't we don't. We don't decide on working with clients
1:51:18
Speaker 1: based on monetary things. We decide on on what their
1:51:22
Speaker 1: vision is, what the messages, how is this going to
1:51:25
Speaker 1: impact the community. That's really where we make our decisions. Awesome,
1:51:30
Speaker 1: Courtney c R, the C and the D of the agency.
1:51:35
Speaker 1: That's me. Your accomplishments, your your the things they brought
1:51:39
Speaker 1: you into this world that you when you sit down,
1:51:42
Speaker 1: you make a pitch. You got to tell people what
1:51:44
Speaker 1: you're doing currently or what you've done in the past,
1:51:46
Speaker 1: how does they work and what do you have to say? Um? So,
1:51:51
Speaker 1: as far as my career accomplishments, I started my career
1:51:55
Speaker 1: right out of grad school started working for UM Clear
1:51:59
Speaker 1: Channel as an account manager for w POC, which is
1:52:03
Speaker 1: one of is that what you wanted to do? Accord Um,
1:52:06
Speaker 1: I wanted to be UM an anchorwoman initially until I
1:52:11
Speaker 1: did an internship actually and then not changed my mind.
1:52:15
Speaker 1: And so you had aspirations of being a talent in
1:52:18
Speaker 1: one time at first? Yes, yeah, um, But anyway, so
1:52:24
Speaker 1: I started as an account manager for w POC, which
1:52:27
Speaker 1: is a top five still country station in the country
1:52:31
Speaker 1: for clear Channel, and I was selling POC country, jazz
1:52:37
Speaker 1: and gospel and digital. So it was I think it
1:52:41
Speaker 1: was like two thousand and three where digital just started
1:52:45
Speaker 1: to come up, and we were trying to figure it
1:52:48
Speaker 1: out as a media company, what we're gonna sell, how
1:52:50
Speaker 1: we're going to be able to show clients r O
1:52:54
Speaker 1: E s and stuff like that. And so I did
1:52:56
Speaker 1: that for a year and a half and pretty quickly
1:52:58
Speaker 1: I was able to average a Jaguar deal for clear
1:53:04
Speaker 1: Channel throughout like twenty markets and it was a multimillion
1:53:07
Speaker 1: dollar deal and it kind of set my career up.
1:53:09
Speaker 1: And honestly it was a fluke, but that's a whole
1:53:11
Speaker 1: another story. It kind of set my career because I
1:53:13
Speaker 1: ended up getting recruited into management that you gotta tell
1:53:19
Speaker 1: us the fluke now, unlet's just say it was a
1:53:25
Speaker 1: blessing from because the Nosings took over. When you say fluke,
1:53:33
Speaker 1: it just like yeah, um. So at any rate, that
1:53:38
Speaker 1: deal kind of set my career up, like I said,
1:53:41
Speaker 1: And so when that happened, because I ended up having
1:53:44
Speaker 1: to like go to corporate and present the deal to
1:53:47
Speaker 1: Jaguar and so like you know there UM their VP
1:53:51
Speaker 1: of Marketing and head of brands, consumer brands and all
1:53:55
Speaker 1: that and close. The deal went really well, and so,
1:53:59
Speaker 1: like I said, that led into me being recruited by
1:54:02
Speaker 1: the executive management team. So I went to Tampa as
1:54:06
Speaker 1: a sales manager for three radio stations, one being launching
1:54:10
Speaker 1: The Beat, which was the first Urban actually to go
1:54:13
Speaker 1: into Tampa, believe it or not, UM, w f l Z,
1:54:18
Speaker 1: which is uh SHR station, and UH Mix, which is
1:54:23
Speaker 1: like uh no Mix was the HR and w f
1:54:27
Speaker 1: l Z is like a pop station. But anyway, so
1:54:29
Speaker 1: I went there with three stations under my belt, stayed
1:54:33
Speaker 1: in Tampa, learned the Ropes under my general sales manager.
1:54:37
Speaker 1: They gave me The Beat as my station within like
1:54:40
Speaker 1: three months, honestly, and I just had fun with it.
1:54:43
Speaker 1: Like I just used my intuition quite frankly, to uh
1:54:47
Speaker 1: make decisions UM as far as marketing was concerned, how
1:54:50
Speaker 1: we were going to position Urban in a market like
1:54:53
Speaker 1: Tampa that had never they had reggae tone but they
1:54:56
Speaker 1: never had an FM hip hop station, And so that
1:55:00
Speaker 1: went well. My boss in Tampa came to Atlanta as
1:55:05
Speaker 1: the market manager for Clear Channel Atlanta UM and he
1:55:10
Speaker 1: recruited me. They were launching a country which is the Bowl,
1:55:13
Speaker 1: which is the number one country in the market. It
1:55:15
Speaker 1: was the FM broadcast for Bradys Radio network and so UM,
1:55:20
Speaker 1: once again, I had kind of gotten the role of
1:55:24
Speaker 1: being of launching stations in new markets because of what
1:55:27
Speaker 1: we had done, the flip that we had done with
1:55:29
Speaker 1: the Beat in Tampa. So they brought me here to
1:55:32
Speaker 1: launch a country little micro media in the South, and
1:55:36
Speaker 1: that's what I actually had two country stations. There was
1:55:40
Speaker 1: this little stick in Peachtree City called w d c L.
1:55:43
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what that stick is now. So I
1:55:45
Speaker 1: ran the two country stations and was in charge of
1:55:48
Speaker 1: Brady's Radio network, which taught me a lot about just
1:55:53
Speaker 1: you know, managing forty eight million dollar radio station, managing
1:55:58
Speaker 1: a lot of people, managing responsibilities. From I was in
1:56:02
Speaker 1: charge of the marketing department, the sales department, the promotions department, UM,
1:56:07
Speaker 1: and then I served on executive committee for for Clear Channels.
1:56:11
Speaker 1: So that kind of taught me the things that I
1:56:14
Speaker 1: needed to learn to kind of step out into entrepreneurship
1:56:18
Speaker 1: and UM. After doing that Clear Channel that fought by
1:56:22
Speaker 1: being capital UM. There were eight general sales manager six
1:56:28
Speaker 1: of them got laid off. Unfortunately I was not one
1:56:31
Speaker 1: of them. I was super sad because they got this
1:56:33
Speaker 1: huge severance check and unfortunately I was one of the
1:56:36
Speaker 1: ones that stayed and had to make it work. And
1:56:39
Speaker 1: so that taught me more about acquisitions and mergers, mergers
1:56:42
Speaker 1: and how to make a profit and law statement work,
1:56:44
Speaker 1: and long story short, I left there started working for myself.
1:56:47
Speaker 1: Ford Morgricultural became my first client, and my entrepreneurship journey
1:56:52
Speaker 1: started from there. Awesome OC towards National Women's Small Business Month.
1:56:57
Speaker 1: I'm speaking to DNA and Courtney UH the agency, which
1:57:00
Speaker 1: is what you c and d the agency. What you
1:57:03
Speaker 1: started in UH in the city of Atlanta. Your first
1:57:07
Speaker 1: project is it was is a voter education initiative aimed
1:57:10
Speaker 1: at combining voter suppression and Georgia during the election. Can
1:57:14
Speaker 1: you tell us how that how that came about and
1:57:17
Speaker 1: also what are you doing when you say this is
1:57:19
Speaker 1: your first project. When when somebody says the first project
1:57:22
Speaker 1: out of the agency, what does that mean? Well, this
1:57:27
Speaker 1: is our first campaign that we're doing to to launch
1:57:31
Speaker 1: with the agency so people know what we are up
1:57:34
Speaker 1: to and that we want to do meaningful things in
1:57:35
Speaker 1: the community. I think it's really important right now to
1:57:38
Speaker 1: exercise your right to vote. But a lot of times
1:57:40
Speaker 1: people don't even understand their rights for voting, and so
1:57:44
Speaker 1: we want to just educate and give and and funnel
1:57:47
Speaker 1: all the information on into one place so people can
1:57:49
Speaker 1: get it, whether it's early voting, UM, absentee ballot, or
1:57:54
Speaker 1: whether you're going in person on the day of vote,
1:57:57
Speaker 1: you know, election day. We want well to know, UM,
1:58:01
Speaker 1: they're rights. We want them to know that if they
1:58:04
Speaker 1: come across something that looks like voter suppression or it's
1:58:07
Speaker 1: something that's blocking them from doing what they have the
1:58:10
Speaker 1: right to do, they we want them to have that information.
1:58:13
Speaker 1: And so we're just pulling all that information together and
1:58:15
Speaker 1: sharing it through our network and through um just just
1:58:20
Speaker 1: our really just our network and social media of course.
1:58:24
Speaker 1: And UM, I voted already earlier, Okay, cool put it,
1:58:28
Speaker 1: posted it on social media that I voted, And um,
1:58:31
Speaker 1: it's a very important election November three for a lot
1:58:34
Speaker 1: of reasons, but more importantly, they get there, get this
1:58:37
Speaker 1: country back to a level of sanity that we all
1:58:39
Speaker 1: feel we can walk out our front door and return safe,
1:58:43
Speaker 1: because right now it gets ugly and ugly every day.
1:58:45
Speaker 1: Uh and and closing, Courtney and Diana, First of all,
1:58:48
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on the show. I this was
1:58:51
Speaker 1: this wise. This is such a beautiful interview. You gots
1:58:54
Speaker 1: are dominant personalities. I'm looking at two distinctively different positions
1:59:00
Speaker 1: people that work incredibly well together. Your strengths they crossed,
1:59:05
Speaker 1: but they don't cross. When I say, that means that
1:59:06
Speaker 1: you both understand your lanes and it allows you to
1:59:10
Speaker 1: be able to eloquently pitch like Courtney said, like she
1:59:13
Speaker 1: did in This Wild Me, and then eloquently understand because
1:59:18
Speaker 1: I've managed talent a lot of high profile talent, and
1:59:21
Speaker 1: I know exactly you know when you start talking, I
1:59:24
Speaker 1: laugh because every everything you said I've had to deal
1:59:27
Speaker 1: with and still deal. When I jumped right back into
1:59:29
Speaker 1: fire and I said I would go well, I love
1:59:31
Speaker 1: Steve Harrd. I said I was done. I wasn't gonna
1:59:33
Speaker 1: do this anymore, and I'm back in. They pulled me
1:59:35
Speaker 1: back in reputation to pull me back here. But I
1:59:38
Speaker 1: want to just say thank you. I want to be
1:59:40
Speaker 1: in your guys life. You know, if you ever need
1:59:42
Speaker 1: my services. I I do a lot of media. I
1:59:45
Speaker 1: do rps. I love to include you guys in marketing, branding.
1:59:50
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my staff to reach out to you
1:59:52
Speaker 1: guys and get a deck on you guys. So you
1:59:54
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna be an agency record for something selves
1:59:57
Speaker 1: for some fortune five hundred company from my multicultural perspective.
2:00:01
Speaker 1: And I don't do pr and so so you know
2:00:04
Speaker 1: I don't. So I can't do everything, but you can.
2:00:07
Speaker 1: You can lie that you can do everything, but you
2:00:08
Speaker 1: want to do it well. And I and I and
2:00:11
Speaker 1: just being the two young ladies who are trying to mentor.
2:00:14
Speaker 1: That was the key in this conversation that I was
2:00:16
Speaker 1: so impressed about because I was since I was eighteen,
2:00:19
Speaker 1: that's been my mantra. Uh no, don't leave anybody behind.
2:00:22
Speaker 1: I don't know why I did it, it was just
2:00:24
Speaker 1: part of my natural DNA and I from the very
2:00:27
Speaker 1: start of this conversation that's all I heard you guys
2:00:30
Speaker 1: talk about. And I want to be a part of
2:00:32
Speaker 1: any way I can assist growing the CND the agency
2:00:35
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, Georgia, because both of you guys are brilliant. Courtney,
2:00:39
Speaker 1: I know your track worker. That wasn't That's what impressed
2:00:41
Speaker 1: me way back then was the fact that you were
2:00:42
Speaker 1: selling more than black radio and uh and Dana um
2:00:47
Speaker 1: meeting you for the first time, I've heard about you.
2:00:49
Speaker 1: When I there was a lot of people. A lot
2:00:51
Speaker 1: of people said, dude, how you never met yea, she
2:00:53
Speaker 1: said a lot of names. I know, okay, and we
2:00:56
Speaker 1: were So we've crossed and we've talked and I've heard
2:00:58
Speaker 1: about you and get you on my show, money making
2:01:01
Speaker 1: conversations and blessing and uh, thank you, thank so happy
2:01:04
Speaker 1: when you guys reached out, I was like, really, okay,
2:01:07
Speaker 1: I'm down to do this. It's great. Thank you. And
2:01:11
Speaker 1: you hit it on the and you hit it right
2:01:13
Speaker 1: on the notes, like you have a way of knowing
2:01:16
Speaker 1: how to pick up on you know, your your your
2:01:20
Speaker 1: guest on the show, because I would say that you
2:01:22
Speaker 1: summ that up pretty well. You did my heart well.
2:01:28
Speaker 1: You know, I started this and I didn't know what
2:01:32
Speaker 1: I was doing from the standpoint, you know, I would
2:01:34
Speaker 1: just I didn't know why people were coming on the
2:01:35
Speaker 1: show where they're coming on the show, because I should
2:01:37
Speaker 1: manage Steve Harvey. They think I'm getting on the radio show,
2:01:39
Speaker 1: the talk show. And I was trying to find my
2:01:41
Speaker 1: voice and and so I just look at two fantastic
2:01:44
Speaker 1: people that you know if you called me and you
2:01:48
Speaker 1: know I don't charge. That's why I started this whole
2:01:50
Speaker 1: platform here. But I do know how to make people famous.
2:01:52
Speaker 1: I do know how to and you guys are famous. Okay,
2:01:55
Speaker 1: you're famous. Commodities. Zoom has allowed me to have an
2:01:59
Speaker 1: interview like this because if I try to do this
2:02:01
Speaker 1: in January, but we'll never what what is he talking about?
2:02:05
Speaker 1: But Zoomers allowed this format and to see how you
2:02:08
Speaker 1: guys operate on this world. You should do it as
2:02:11
Speaker 1: much as possible because you will shine in a lot
2:02:14
Speaker 1: of great lanes of opportunity because both for you guys
2:02:16
Speaker 1: are brilliant. Okay, thank you so much so much for
2:02:21
Speaker 1: having are essential. The conversations you're having are really important.
2:02:24
Speaker 1: People what's happening behind the scenes and not in front
2:02:29
Speaker 1: of the TV screen. They need to know the intricacies
2:02:33
Speaker 1: of business and how to make money. It's really important.
2:02:37
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. I'm telling I stopped to get a
2:02:39
Speaker 1: deck on you guys. Okay, and we bye. Great scene
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Speaker 1: both for y'all. Bye bye. If you want to hear
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