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5/12/2026 FAKED SO WELL IT LOOKS REAL · Leading Leaders Podcast with J Loren Norris

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I'm Jay Lauren Norris with Leading Leaders Podcast.
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I'm just going to tell you, as an old dude, I really learned to
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appreciate the originals. I mean that the things that you
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can actually go back and see how they were made and when they
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were made and where they were made.
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And there's an old country song that says, I wish a Ford and a
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Chevy would still last 20 years like they should.
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Unfortunately, in today's world, we have cars that literally they
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can be shut down by the government from across the
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country and there's nothing you can do about it.
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I mean, have you driven a vehicle with OnStar?
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You know that part of the anti theft policy is that they have
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the ability to disable the engines, ECU by computer, like a
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remote control drone from across the country, around the world,
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anywhere they want to just flip a switch and it goes to sleep.
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And now that's great if somebody's stealing your car
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with your kid in it, It's great if somebody's stealing your car
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with all your stuff in it. But that little touch of
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modernity, the plastic smell of the new car as opposed to the
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old cars. I my very first car that I
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bought was a 1975 Mercury Marquis, had a great motor and a
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slipping transmission. And I was able to return it to
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the bot to the cellar after only paying for about half of it.
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She kept the money and she got the car back because I couldn't
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afford to fix it. I was only 14.
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Second car I bought was a little green Chevy Monza thing.
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That was the first car that I had when I was in high school.
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It was also a piece of crap. In fact, later we pulled the
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heads apart and realized that the little aluminum engine in
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that somebody had literally taken the head off and fixed the
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cylinder walls with JB Weld rather than replacing the motor
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and then put the head back on. We gave that one back as well.
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But the car that everybody knows me for MENA, my high school
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years, I bought the middle of my junior early part of my senior
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year was a 1967 Chevy Impala. A friend and I were walking by
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and saw it in the backyard of this old guy's house and offered
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him 300 bucks and he accepted it.
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The car was being used to store Mason jars.
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We literally unloaded probably 20 cases of Mason jars out of
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the front yard, jumped the battery and drove that car home.
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This was in 1986. It was already 20 years old and
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I drove that car all of my senior year and into college
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before I trade it for a pool cue.
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Now there were some things about that old car that were old car
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quirky stuff like the motor mounts in that car weren't made
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quite the same they are today. They were two straps mounted to
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the side walls of the car that went through bolts in the side
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of the motor. But that little motor had so
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much torque and I had such a bad habit of done with the clutch.
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I'd break those little cables off and then the motor would try
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to roll over in the engine compartment.
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And when it did that, they not exactly connected together.
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Push plate for the clutch and the pin that went through the
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floor would be out of relationship with each other.
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They weren't really attached. They were just held together by
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gravity and pressure. And if there was any torsion in
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the body or the frame or the motor, they weren't attached
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anymore. Which means you can't push in
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the clutch, which means you can't get it out of gear or take
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off or stop. That's the joys with the old
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car. It also didn't have a very good
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AC, even though it had factory air.
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It didn't have Freon. It had some other kind of weird
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way of keeping the car cool, but who cares?
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It was big, it was old, it was loud, it was a it was a classic
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car. Now I have to be honest and say
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300 bucks is what I paid for it. The pool cue that I traded it
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for was probably worth 3 or $4000.
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Yes, a pool stick worth 3 or $4000.
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Which eventually my roommate put in a pawn shop because I owed
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him $100 on his phone bill and he was being spiteful while I
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was in basic training. But the end game is if that car
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were still in my possession today, restored, it could easily
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fetch forty $50,000. It's really not about the value
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of the car, because value is, as always, established by what
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someone else is willing to pay for it.
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Here's where that car has intrinsic value at.
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The car that I mentioned early on having to be late for work on
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a regular basis was a 71 Mustang big 5 point O very, very loud.
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Everybody that passed it wanted to race it.
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The kids love to ride in it. The neighbors hated it because
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when I cranked it up in the garage, you could hear it for
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probably 3 blocks. It was loud.
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Everybody loved that old car. It had one problem though.
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It had an old rusty gas tank. I mean, the gas tank at this
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point was close to 50 years old. And so the little flakes of rust
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would get into the fuel lines, and I'd have to stop on my way
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to work, disconnect the fuel line, clean out the filter, tap
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it on the ground and get all the rust flakes out of it.
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It was like trying to shove corn flakes through a straw in your
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shake. And so I'd drive about 15 miles,
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and then I'd have to stop and take all the flakes out of the
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fuel filter and start over again.
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Ultimately, what it needed was a new gas tank.
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Ultimately, what it got was traded for a 2001 YJ Jeep, which
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the kids loved almost as much as they loved the Mustang.
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But looking back now, I think the Mustang would have had more
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value if I'd held onto it. See, I didn't realize that then
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what I wanted was the modernity. I wanted the new thing I wanted
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the shiny thing I wanted. I wanted all the accoutrements
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of a, a four by four and, and an air conditioning system and, and
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and a 5 speed and, and all of that was going to be it was
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shiny, it was red, it was beautiful.
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And I wanted to upgrade to the new thing.
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See, there are a lot of leaders today relying on the new thing,
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the AI thing, the digital world thing, the avatar thing.
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I, I don't know if you can tell or not, but this, this, this,
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this is not real wood. I mean, it, it's kind of real
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wood in that it's pressed together, fiberboard kind of
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wood, but it's made to look like old wood.
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I, I actually do have two 8 foot walls that right, we're using
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them at home right now because I really like the way they look
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where they are. But eventually they'll get
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rolled back into the studio. That's what they were built
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from. And they were actually built for
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my studio back in 2016 when we started this podcast.
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And they were, they were built from reclaimed barn wood.
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And I mean literally, they still have the nails in them and the
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old fabric from when they were nailed up in the barn.
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Every piece of these two walls are original barn wood.
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They've been weathered, they've been outside.
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They've, they've had a rough time and you can tell, not like
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this stuff that if I don't aim the rights, just the lights just
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right. It's shiny, it reflects real
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wood doesn't do that. Not without some kind of weird
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coating on it. No, my, my real restored,
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recovered, reused barn wood. It has this endearing, makes you
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feel like you're back home. It's like going to Cracker
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Barrel in its truest form, going back in time a little bit.
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It's enduring. It's lasted all these years,
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like my old truck, like my old bike.
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All these things that are nostalgic.
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They're not just nostalgic. There's something about the
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original, the brushed Chrome versus the Super shiny stuff.
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I mean, if you notice today, in fact, I saw one Monday night,
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Sunday night, Sunday night on the square right here in our
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little hometown, a brand new suburban.
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I mean like right off the lot, 2026 suburban wrapped in a flat
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black vinyl, not shiny, kind of looked like it was a little old
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and worn out. It was almost like they put a
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wrap on it to make it look patina, like the old paint was
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starting to fade. It was really kind of
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interesting. Now I have seen vinyl wraps on
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old trucks that make them look like they're patina when the
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paint underneath is pristine. It's kind of interesting.
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I've also seen because we watch a lot of these old car shows
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where they restore old metal and they take these old cars and
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they put brand new digital dashboards in there.
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In fact, I saw one where the guy had a digital dashboard that
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when you push the button in one mode, it looked like the
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original dashboard from the 1960s.
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And when you push the button again, it looked like a Tesla
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dashboard and and it had a big giant video display with cameras
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all the way around it, but like a Tesla.
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And so you could choose to drive a new car Oregon an old car
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every time you got in it because it was all there.
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I've also seen, in fact, I ran into a guy at out of Bucky's in
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North Texas during when all the car shows were showing up at
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Texas Motor Speedway. This guy had taken a 1939 Ford
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chassis. You know, with all the big
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swooping curves and the front Fender actually comes down and
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then curves out again right under the bumper and over the
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running boards and then all the way over the bumper.
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The whole car looks like a bunch of bubbles.
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Beautiful old truck, still rusty and patina, but when he opened
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the door, the inside looked like a brand new car and I was like,
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how did you get all this stuff in there?
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He goes, no, it's a it's the other way around.
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We took a Chevy SSR pickup, which is basically like a
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modified Chevy Love and took the entire chassis off and used all
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of the modern parts of the car, the motor, the shifting, the
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drivetrain, the axles, everything of the modern car,
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the SSR. And we put the shell of the 1939
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pickup over the top of it. And I thought, now that's genius
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because that's that's really the best of both worlds, right?
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You, you look like you're driving an old truck and
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everybody's thinking, wow, how do you even keep that thing
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together? But underneath you actually have
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a very modern car with cruise control and fog and emission
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controls and air conditioning. I mean, all the best parts,
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right? I saw someone do a similar thing
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with the 1965 Mustang convertible and a Mazda Miata.
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What a strange hybrid, right? But when you think about how do
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you as a leader bring the best of both worlds together, The
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most modern technology, the most updated ideologies, the
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philosophies that have been proven a little outdated?
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I was in a meeting not too long ago, and I heard a leader throw
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out some phrases and some ideas. And I watched everyone in the
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room collectively gasp. I can't believe you just said
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that out loud. And the leader kind of felt
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like, why is everybody reacting like that?
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And the truth was they were reacting that way because the
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leader didn't realize that their ideas were outdated.
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This is a tinge of sexism, just a just a hint of racism, just a
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little bit of bias and judgment wrapped into their whole
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worldview, expressed in just a couple of words that, you know,
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in the right environment, the wrong environment, whatever you
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want to call it, they'd be considered microaggressions.
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You can't talk to people like that.
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You, you can't say things like that.
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But those old original ideas, they haven't lost their meaning.
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They're like an old car that they're enduring and they're
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endearing. And for the most part, people
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have a lot of respect for them, but they still want the modern
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twist. They want the the value of the
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TikTok type answer. They want, they want the
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morality of knowing that if you put a video out there, a billion
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people watch it. I mean, who are you if a million
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people don't watch you change your socks.
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Saw a great twist on that on a a social media reel just the other
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day. One of the trends in social
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media virality for for your little videos is a discovery of
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a new thing, right. So you you find out there's a
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new way to open a mayonnaise jar or a new ways to make a
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milkshake or a new way to to grease AAU joint in your car
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that all these different new discoveries right.
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I, I didn't know you can do it that way.
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Punching out the bushings and and suspension parts.
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That's always been a very daunting, nasty, frustrating,
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makes you want to scream and cuss kind of a task.
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And now they make a tool that looks like a pair of pliers and
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you can just squeak and it and it comes out little things like
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that. I didn't know they made a tool
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for that. Right.
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So it's a little discovery. So this guy opens his video with
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someone trying to steal the hood ornament off of the Rolls Royce.
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And I don't know if you know this or not, but they have an
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anti theft device. So if you snatch that thing like
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you're going to pull it off the car, the car actually flips over
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and hides it inside the car. So you can't grab it anymore.
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You can't see it, you can't pull it off there.
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It has stronger resistance to hide itself than it does to let
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you have it. But if you try to steal the hood
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ornament of off a Rolls Royce, it hides.
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So this guy starts his video showing that little clip of
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somebody trying to grab it. And the hiding is something he's
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like, really I wow. And so he jumps up like he's
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running to his Rolls Royce to pull on that hood ornament and
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see if his does that. And you see him walk all the way
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through the house and across the property and back through the
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garage door and out the garage door and down the driveway.
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And he's just filming himself the whole time.
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You can just see all the scenery as he's walking through.
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And then he opens the door in his Ford F-150 and he goes,
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what? Y'all are still there?
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I mean, you didn't think I had a Rolls Royce, did you?
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No, I just forgot something in my truck.
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He's playing on the modernity. He's playing on the how do I get
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your attention that I made you look value.
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He created a storyline of the expected storyline and there
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were people so hooked on that trending idea that they watched
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it to the end. I did.
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I watched the guy from the minute he started the video and
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popped up off the couch and thought, there's no way that
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dude sleeping on that couch owns a Rolls Royce because if he
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owned 1 he wouldn't be sleeping on that couch.
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I'm just saying maybe it was a judgement.
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Forgive me if I was wrong, but I grew up on a couch like that and
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I I know nobody in my family owns a Rolls Royce.
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I'm just saying how many people lead their organization the same
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way? How many people communicate in a
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similar fashion? They're perfectly OK with the
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fake wood. They're perfectly OK with
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following whatever today's trend is.
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They're perfectly OK with whatever it takes to make you
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look, to get your attention. And they'll even leave along
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long enough for you to feel like, yeah, this, this feels
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normal. It's so fake.
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It feels real. On the way to the studio this
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morning, I could smell it in the air.
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It's a foggy day. The air's a little heavy.
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I could smell the diesel, burnt diesel from an old truck that's
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out of tune. I couldn't even see the truck.
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I could just smell it like when you're around old farm
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equipment. We used to have an old fire
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truck when I was in the Air Force.
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It was a 1500 gallon water tanker.
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That truck was older than dirt itself, and this was 30 years
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ago. But every time you crank that
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truck up, we weren't sure if it was on the way to the fire or if
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it was on fire. It's boiled smoke in every
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direction. It leaked oil, it made noise, it
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rattled, it bounced everywhere you went in it.
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But it had a very distinct smell to it.
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In fact, the only other vehicle on the base that smelled that
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way was the garbage truck. Everything else had been
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modernized, had been updated, ran on LP gas or a newer version
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of diesel. But until we got rid of that old
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unsynchronized transmission in that 1500 gallon water tanker,
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every time you cranked it up, everybody on base knew it was
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running. Just look for the just like
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Linus, there's a little blanket and little cloud falling, right?
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That's what that truck was like. That truck this morning, I could
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smell it before I could see it. I could see it before I could
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hear it. And I still knew.
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I know what's wrong with that old truck?
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The same problem our old water tanker had.
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There's something enduring and endearing about originality.
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Something that the fake, plastic, shiny, updated, new,
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painted, newfangled ideas don't hold.
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It's called the test of time. See, when you can walk up to
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those old cars that are sitting in the junk yards and you're
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like, that car's been sitting there so long the grass is
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growing up through the floorboard and the door handles,
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and you can put a battery on that thing, put a little fuel in
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the carburetor and it will still crank up and run.
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There's something powerful about that.
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There's something powerful about ideas that you can look back at,
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like John Maxwell's 21 Air, refutable laws of leadership,
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the wisdom of the Songs of Solomon, those ancient documents
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that are hundreds, thousands, 250 years.
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In two months, we'll celebrate 250 years as a nation.
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You know, no other form of government has lasted 250 years
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like the democracy of the United States, 250 years.
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Now we've got people who want to RIP apart our Constitution.
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They want new ideas. They want to add new things into
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it. They want new fangled.
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It can't be right if it's that old, right?
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Leadership has the same problem. He can't be right if it's that
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old. It must be outdated.
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Look, even if it is outdated in your opinion.
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Even if it is that old in your opinion?
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I put that 67 Chevy truck against a Tesla any day for
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reliability and longevity. Why?
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Cuz it's been around 50 years and hasn't burst into flame yet.
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It's still holding together. It's still doing what it was
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made to do. It may not do all these other
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things that a car is not made to do.
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That doesn't mail in my laundry. It doesn't special order my
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latte. It doesn't do those kinds of
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things because that's not what my old truck's made for.
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It's not what my car is made for.
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It's made to get me from point A to point B to be a tool in my
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work. See, I have the same challenge
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with people who want to do the same thing with leadership, with
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communication, with stories. They're OK with the fake.
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They're OK with the trending, with the storyline that
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everybody else is using. So we just regurgitate it over
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and over and over again. We don't look for the
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originality, for the authenticity.
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We don't look for the process that says, how do I lead by
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telling the truth about what I've been through, the good, the
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bad, the ugly? How do I encourage people by
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saying, you know, this is not the first time we've encountered
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this crisis, probably won't be the last.
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This is not the first time someone has come up with an idea
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that cost us a lot of money and generated none.
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This is not the first time we've had to lay off employees or hire
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a whole lot more. This is not the first time a
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company's been bought by somebody else.
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See, the challenge is so many people are OK with the fake.
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You're OK with the just less than original.
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They're OK with the as long as the idea seems new.
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I'm on board that they don't see the enduring, endearing factors
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of an original story, an original idea, an original
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business plan, an authentic event in life.
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We see so much today, whether you're talking about in the news
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media or you're talking about in social media, where someone can
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take a camera and zoom out on a crowd of 10 and make it look
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like everybody in the world agrees with that idea.
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If you could see the same scene from 150 feet away, you'd
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realize there were 10 people all crammed in front of the camera.
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It looked like a big, big deal, and it wasn't.
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It wasn't. It wasn't authentic.
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It wasn't real, it wasn't natural.
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It wasn't original. It was a fabricated idea, a
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fabricated leadership concept. There've been 1000 concepts come
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and go. Look back to the 21 irrefutable
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laws of leadership. I, I did hear someone say one
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time, John, you can't call those irrefutable and then add another
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one to it. But I can tell you this, if you
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look at all of the other principles, I believe right now
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John Maxwell has written somewhere around 150 books on
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leadership. It still fascinates me today
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when I hear young people say I'm in leadership and they don't
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know the name John Maxwell. It makes me wonder, who in the
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world are you studying if you're not studying one of the
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originals? 135 books, hundreds of millions
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of books sold. If that's not what you're
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reading, where are you getting your content?
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Where are you learning to be a leader?
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Are you learning from somebody who's not even your age or just
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a couple of years ahead of you? I'm not saying old people know
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everything. All right, John Maxwell makes a
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good point of that. He said if wisdom came with age,
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why do we have so many old fools around?
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Wisdom doesn't always come with age.
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But I can tell you something. The wisdom that's time tested,
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the wisdom that's tried and it's found to be true.
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Those kind of truths that stay around for hundreds of years,
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several 100 years, thousands of years.
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There's something to be said for that.
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Like that old car that you can walk out there and crank it up.
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Like that old board that you can take off the side of a barn that
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looks like it's falling down, take the nails out of it and
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drive it up to something else. And you know what?
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It'll still hold up. It'll still stand there like a
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tree, 500 years old. There's something about the
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original and I'm going to tell you if you'll learn the process
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of the story Power method. Learn to mine the stories from
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your life. Just like you're digging
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diamonds and gold out of the ground, you can find those
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precious stones of stories in your life and and take the time
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to craft them. It's really hard to sell a raw
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diamond. I don't care if it's the size of
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a baseball or the size of a BB Polish it up though.
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Shape it properly mounted in something like a ring or a
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necklace or earrings, and suddenly that precious stone
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takes on even more value. It's that merger between the
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old. Do you know how how old diamonds
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are? Not lab grown diamonds, real
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diamonds. You know how old those are.
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That's coal that's been under pressure for a long time.
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See the the stories in your life have the same ability, if you'll
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take the time to mine those stories.
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Find the real, the authentic, the original, the power in
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those, the enduring quality, the endearing quality where people
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go. Yeah, I just like the way an old
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boat rides. I I, I love feeling the wind in
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my hair when I'm in that old convertible, when I, when I hear
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the pipes. I mean, even my Myra Golden says
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I've got Lamborghinis and I've got my old 68 GTO, and that old
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GTO bounces and rolls and rattles and makes a lot of
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noise, but I still love driving it around compared to buy brand
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new cars. Why?
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Because there's something powerful about the original.
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And if you'll take the time to mine the original, craft the
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original, connect it with the people that you're trying to
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serve, here's what you're going to find.
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That overall message, that narrative, that mission, that
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vision that you want people to hold onto.
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All the newfangled ideas in the world might help you get it
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started, but it's the ones that last forever, that are buried in
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your story, the ones that have proven the test of time.
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Those are the things that people are going to hold onto.
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Those are the people, the things people are going to rely on.
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Yeah, you could use AI to craft your stories, to craft your
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vision, plan your mission statements.
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You can do that if you want to, but I challenge you to get back
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to the original, find the value in the real deal.
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Maybe it's a restomod. It's an original idea with some
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newfangled updates. That's fine.
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But don't abandoned the original for something new and trending
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and lose your identity and the process.
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I'm Jay Lauren Norris with leading leaders podcast or tell
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it like it is TV. Have a blessed day.
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