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2 Maccabees Chapter 14: Bible Study by Atheists · Sacrilegious Discourse - Bible Study for Atheists

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[SPEAKER_03]: Husband, wife, do you know what we're doing today?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yesterday we did Second Mac Peace Chapter 13, which in that one, we had a guy that didn't get along with the other Greek people so much and so they threw him into a giant ash tower and burned his ass.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the ash tower tower of us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All you burn and break from me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there was 110,000 troops that went for a frantic as for somebody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they had twenty-two allots because the other one died, remember?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because it pulled the tower over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But not the tower of Ash, I mean, it didn't tower.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, something that it died.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's dead now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, they're all dead now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It won't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, that's a whole other story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, and then at some point, there was a long run on since this solved all the problems in another peaceful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like for something.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then World War II happened, and then the soldiers came home, and then this happened, and then that happened, and then Trump became president, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was like, whoa, slowly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Slow down.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No sense.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It told like 10 years of history in like one sentence, which I know that I just get from World War II to Trump in less than one sentence.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But that's how it felt.
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[SPEAKER_03]: you have to tell more things and you need more sentences for all the things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely definitely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can't just jump from breakfast to next Wednesday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a bit of a whirlwind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a bit confusing and then that would, but that was second Macme's chapter 13.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It surely was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was, which means that today we're doing the second Macadoodles chapter 14.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, don't be.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Righty, so we are hopping in the second macadudos chapter 14.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that means that this is the penultimate chapter of second macadudos Okay, the ultimate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, right next one guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the second or the ultimate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the penultimate It's the second to last got it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Which is penultimate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get it now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you yeah?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah for some reason I thought penultimate was the top one though
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was just like, I don't use pen ultimate enough to like, you know, that would be like a flammable and inflammable, both mean the same thing, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're thinking that ultimate and pen ultimate mean thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I just don't use that term enough to know for sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Got it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where it falls in usage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like, I have heard the term before, but that's about as much as I could say.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's second to last.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not quite the ultimate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Got it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm just stupid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I did not say that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's a day right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't say that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But sometimes I would.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I started to say I wouldn't say that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But sometimes you are stupid.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes I do call you stupid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't find it enough usage for the word penultimate in my daily.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Every time we read a book.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we get to the second to last.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't you sure about that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not saying I always do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Checkers here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not saying I always do I'm saying that's an opportunity to do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is an opportunity to do it, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you have more than a zero opportunity to use second to last.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just choose not to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because you're stupid.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Three years later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Three years later.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Three years later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good for all that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That sentence, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That sentence caused three years of later.
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[SPEAKER_03]: News was brought to Judas in his company that Dmitrius, the son of Selaya Kess, having sailed into the harbor of triplets, trippin, trippin, trippin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was referring to the Daffy Duck and who, I don't think it's porcupine, and it's a, when they do the Robin Hood one, and Daffy Duck is like using his sword thing and he's going peri duck, peri, stab,
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, he goes through this whole litany of, I don't, I clearly don't know about that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But he goes through this whole litany of fencing vocabulary.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then he always ends up smacking his own bill in the face, making his bill for up 90 degrees.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So in that particular one, sometimes when he's doing his,
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[SPEAKER_03]: thrust, Perry, whatever, whatever, and then he trips and he goes, and jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure that means he made them dead or he made them demoted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm guessing that these times is probably dead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He probably did them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He did it them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He did it them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But one alcimus who had, I think he called him albus dumbledore, alcimus.
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[SPEAKER_03]: but one alchemist who had formerly been high-pressed and had willfully polluted himself in the times when there was no mingling with the Gentiles considering that there was no deliverance for him in any way nor any more access to the Holy Alter came to King Demetrius in about
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[SPEAKER_03]: a crown of gold and a poem and beside these some of the festive all of bows of the temple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: for that, these sentences are too long and they're carrying too many activities in them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I can't follow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he said he polluted himself with the Gentiles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does that mean he had sex with them?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what does that mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he proposed that means he probably hung out with them and adopted their ways and became unclean because he was,
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[SPEAKER_03]: probably engaging in some of their religious practices.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he was acting like them instead of doing his own thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's my guess.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he may have been fucking them as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't doubt it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think it probably refers more to the social and religious pollution.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Got it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because that's what these books seem to really, really focus on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, don't carry a shear up holes in your pocket and shit like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, never fuck under the Christmas tree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Correct, I sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Or in the high places.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially those.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For that day, he held his peace, but having gotten opportunity to further his own madness, being called by Demetrius into a meeting of his council, and as Telegyus stood affected and what they intended, he answered thus.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, ready versus the answer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Quote.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Those of the Jews called Hassideans, whose leader is Judas Macabees, keep up war in our seditious, not allowing the kingdom to find tranquility.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean, it's true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They started trying to have a game land.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Instead of just being happy, they always had to have more.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they were corrupt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it seems that way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Therefore, having laid aside my ancestral glory this dude continues, I mean the high priesthood, I have now come here first for the genuine care I have for the things that concern the king.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Any time you have to say out loud that you have genuine care for things that concern the king, it's almost certain that you don't have care for things that concern the king.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And secondly, because I have regard also to my own fellow citizens, I don't think he cares for either the king or the citizen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't take some?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because you're spelling it out too much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't believe you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For through the unadvised dealing of those of whom I spoke before, our whole race is in no small misfortune.
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[SPEAKER_03]: O King, having informed yourself of these things, take thought both for our country and for our race, which is surrounded by enemies, according to the gracious kindness with which you receive all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you understand what's happening at all?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's referring to Judas Macabees as like not great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you know what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like I feel like this is and they they mentioned that he had been consorting or doing something with the Gentiles or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like this is one of the people that Judas Macabees and that group would have referred to as like not good, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That this is how I'm feeling about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know this is true or not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is where I'm, this is what I'm gathering.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he's pleading with this King Demetrius, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: For him to intervene, so that he can get his priesthood back and he brought Demetrius gifts to try to get his, his control back of what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it feels like to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When sentences are too long, like I'm concentrating on making the sentence sound good out loud.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And when they're too long, I can't retain what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To be fair, I'm not sure I'm right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just that's so far what I'm just letting you know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I can't, I can't pay attention to what I'm reading.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So hopefully hopefully I get it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully you get it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But regardless, we will cover it in the Q and A.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So these sentences are entirely too long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For as long as Judas remains alive, it is impossible for the government to find peace.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, follow that one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, see that kind of we got to strengthen my stance here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, when he had spoken such words as these at once the rest of the King's friends having ill will against Judas inflamed Demetrius yet more.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He immediately appointed Nickenor, who had been master of the elephants, and made him governor of Judea.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All the elephant captain got to go be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Master of Judea.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he got to go be a governor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's true.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like elephants, kingdoms, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He sent him out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He sent him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Demetrius sending.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It just didn't always mean when when they do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When they do that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Giving him written instructions to kill Judas himself and to scatter those who were with him and to set up awesomeness as high priest of the great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See, he's buying his favor, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's like, hey, this guy sucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You need to put me in charge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And can we keep the elephants?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know they had to be in there somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Those in Judea, who had driven Judas into exile, thronged to Nicanor in flocks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They, I mean, thronging does happen in flocks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the only way really that you can throng is in flocks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Generally speaking, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like how you can flock to something and you can do it in flocks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it can be like the name of a group, but also a verb that's grouping.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or a name of a person on an enterprise.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Dr. flocks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's funny.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That is true.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can also decorate your Christmas tree by flocking it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's usually when you put like snow and shit on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Flocked the tree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never heard that before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You should, that's what it's called.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trimming the tree.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's decorating it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think when you put like snow and shit on it, that's when you're flocking it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never heard that before.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm pretty sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I come here wrong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'm sure somebody will let me know that I have no thing I do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll let you know, yeah, that always happens.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love when that happens when I say, because it proves you were listening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Tell me if I'm right, that you can flock a tree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a whole section on our Discord dedicated to telling us that we're wrong, so not that people use it enough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But they should, they should always be telling me all the ways that I'm wrong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Supposing that the misfortunes and calamities of the Jews would be successes to themselves.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, but when the Jews heard of Nick and Noah's advance and the assault of the Heathen, they sprinkled dirt on their heads and made solemn prayers to him who had established his own people forevermore and who always making manifest his presence upholds those who are his own heritage.
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[SPEAKER_03]: God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God,
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[SPEAKER_03]: the other people have their own God.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're why they managed their God just because they like, oh, I'm God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is this is Yahweh that they're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They sprinkled dirt on their head because they always be rolling in the dirt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then being a really sad class involved, too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yahweh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and torn clothes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, and they tear their hair out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When the leader had given orders, he immediately set out from there and joined battle with them at a village called Lissau.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But Simon, the brother of Judas had encountered Nikonore, yet not till late, having been delayed by reason of the sudden consternation caused by his adversaries.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Nevertheless, Nick and Laura, hearing of the valor of those who were with Judas and of their courage and fighting for their country, shrink from bringing the matter to the decision of the sword.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was afraid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was like, these fuckers are not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They keep, I don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They cannot die.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys came up here before like 110,000.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, we, we, I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not doing this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They don't care about elephants.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They'll kill my ass.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Their y'all way seems to like them sometimes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not always, but when he does, it's really good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, she did that way, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Therefore, he sent post-posadonious, post-adonious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Post-adonious?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Pasadonious?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I like that one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Pasadonious.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Adotis and Madethias, to give him receive pledges of friendship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, if you can't beat him, then give them shing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And and drown their wives question why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that was before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, but I'm like, those people that did that are got it out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But, um,
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[SPEAKER_03]: It could happen again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're in the place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's in the place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's in the will.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So when these proposals had long been considered, but no, let me read that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So when these proposals had been long considered, and the leader had made the troops acquainted with them, and it appeared that they were all of like mind they consented to the covenants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A chariot came forward from each army.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We made it a chariot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's chair to fire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that's that song.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm imagining the scene from postman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: that's not in the postman what what they mean where they write out meeting the truth I was saying church like that music that music is not seen it so okay yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah they sit up seats of honor Judas stationed armed men ready in convenient places lest perhaps there should suddenly be treachery on the part of the enemy well yeah you gotta be prepared
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I hate it when there's treachery on the part of the enemy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it seems like it happens a lot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, pretty much that's what makes them your enemy is that they're always treachery.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really, it's just about who's going to be treacherous first.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, that is true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because if you weren't enemies, neither of you would be treacherous to the other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
17:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
17:27
[SPEAKER_03]: You could work your shit out.
17:28
[SPEAKER_01]: There'd be no need for treachery.
17:30
[SPEAKER_03]: You couldn't call each other enemies.
17:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
17:32
[SPEAKER_01]: It'd be treachery lists.
17:33
[SPEAKER_01]: It'd be people's treasure treachery lists.
17:35
[SPEAKER_03]: It would just be people that have different perspectives and disagree.
17:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
17:39
[SPEAKER_03]: We both like ice cream, but some of us want to kill brown people and some of us don't.
17:45
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what that's what um the when when I hear people say can't we all just get along and admit that we have a difference of opinion on things I always think of that Like we both like ice cream But some of us like to kill a brown people and some of us don't it's just a difference of opinion.
18:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I really I fucking hate the the all-life's matter shit.
18:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh, do they then let's act like it
18:09
[SPEAKER_03]: That is so cool how suddenly using the trans people deserve to live.
18:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
18:14
[SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome of you.
18:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
18:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
18:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Me.
18:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
18:17
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, clearly they don't all matter.
18:19
[SPEAKER_03]: You fuck this.
18:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
18:21
[SPEAKER_03]: And like, when we say black lives matter, we're saying that they should.
18:25
[SPEAKER_03]: But you clearly think they don't, like, wait a mismessage.
18:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
18:29
[SPEAKER_03]: But sometimes I hate, you know?
18:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
18:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
18:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Wait.
18:36
[SPEAKER_03]: just stupidity and malice.
18:38
[SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes the stupidity is so stupid, but other times like the malice is not stupid, but pretends to be and I really hate that.
18:49
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I think is really funny?
18:50
[SPEAKER_01]: It's how often we delve into current politics talking about the Bible.
18:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, it was because we were talking about treachery.
18:59
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I know, but there's so many opportunities because it is just basically a political story, essentially, it's like there's so many opportunities to jump into what is current based on what we're reading.
19:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Just because you're not see, can't we all be friends?
19:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Come on.
19:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I was getting yelled at in early days when the racist started coming out, like louder, I mean, the races have always been out.
19:27
[SPEAKER_03]: But when they started coming out louder, like during the Obama campaign, that's when they got real loud.
19:33
[SPEAKER_03]: That's when they got real, just, oh, we're just out there now.
19:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
19:36
[SPEAKER_03]: And people would be saying can we just get along and find common ground and we just listen to each other and I was the one always saying yeah You just want me to hug and not see and everybody was like whoa you're like going really far and like that's a bit over the top and and now I'm just like was it though
19:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Did I was I saying too much?
19:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Did I go too far?
20:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Because it looks to me like now I wasn't saying it enough.
20:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
20:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
20:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Like let's go back in time and then I can be like I've seen the future and the future is that you literally still want me to hug a Nazi.
20:11
[SPEAKER_03]: But now now you actually acknowledge that they are Nazis.
20:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
20:15
[SPEAKER_03]: They were always Nazis.
20:17
[SPEAKER_03]: And you always want to meet a hug them.
20:19
[SPEAKER_03]: And now finally you admit that they're Nazis.
20:23
[SPEAKER_03]: But you're not sure we should hug them anymore.
20:26
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's kind of cool of you, I guess.
20:28
[SPEAKER_03]: But you're giving me the can we go now?
20:31
[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I really hate, I really hate this timeline.
20:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
20:36
[SPEAKER_03]: This timeline really makes me angry.
20:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's way too orange.
20:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and also it's the timeline where being right doesn't pay off.
20:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, yeah, I was right that they were Nazis.
20:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, oh, wait, that's not good.
20:52
[SPEAKER_03]: I wish I was wrong.
20:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, anyways, they held a conference as was appropriate.
21:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I mean, sure.
21:01
[SPEAKER_03]: That sentence is funny to me.
21:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, was it appropriate to hold a conference?
21:07
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
21:07
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they said it was so it is.
21:09
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's appropriate to hold a conference.
21:11
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's what they did then.
21:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a conference could be just like a meeting.
21:16
[SPEAKER_01]: A couple of people.
21:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it was a meeting special about that.
21:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Nicanor waited in Jerusalem and did nothing to cause disturbance, but dismissed the flocks of people that had gathered together.
21:28
[SPEAKER_03]: He had Judas always in his presence.
21:31
[SPEAKER_03]: He had gained a hearty affection for the man.
21:33
[SPEAKER_03]: He urged him to marry and have children.
21:37
[SPEAKER_03]: He married, settled quietly, and took part in common life.
21:41
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not working out well for the guy that came to Dmitrius, the guy that he was these person, right?
21:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, hey, I'm going to get rid of this guy and put me in and now Nick and or is there like, hey buddy, Judas, what's up, man?
21:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I just wanted to play with the elephants after all, I didn't know shit.
22:01
[SPEAKER_03]: But alchemist perceiving the goodwill that was between them and having taken for possession of the covenants that had been made came to Demetrius and told him that Nick and I was disloyal to the government.
22:17
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, this guy over here, he's being friends with the treacherous enemy.
22:21
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not giving me my power.
22:24
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he's a kill.
22:26
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a kill.
22:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing this.
22:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, all the macabees says fuck man, but he had appointed that conspirator against his kingdom Judas to be his successor All nicknors like bestie right and then he didn't want to fight him because Judas is like I'll look your ass
22:50
[SPEAKER_03]: And, um, yeah, and Demetria's, oh, wait, no, who is it?
22:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Alchemist is like, hold on, hold on, hold on.
22:58
[SPEAKER_03]: You could be scared of the enemy, but you can't get to be besties with them.
23:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, look, that's what I was saying before though.
23:04
[SPEAKER_01]: They've gone against Judas with 110,000 people and turned their army around because he was taking their ass.
23:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Did they send this guy with 110,000 people?
23:13
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't say anything about 110,000 people.
23:15
[SPEAKER_03]: No, they just sent it.
23:16
[SPEAKER_01]: So my guess is that dude got there and he's like, yeah, we're not gonna, I'm not.
23:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not shaking this.
23:21
[SPEAKER_01]: This ain't, I don't get paid enough, shit.
23:23
[SPEAKER_01]: This fucks up.
23:24
[SPEAKER_03]: This is up on my pay grade.
23:26
[SPEAKER_03]: And, but here's the thing though.
23:27
[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't just like sit there quietly.
23:29
[SPEAKER_03]: He is besties with them and it's like, you are gonna be my successor.
23:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Yay, everybody get along and let's part tag.
23:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's in his best interest.
23:40
[SPEAKER_01]: So he doesn't, you know, die.
23:41
[SPEAKER_03]: But did he have to go to the family barbeque, because that's what it sounds like he's hanging out with him on weekends and like they're going to like, you know, football games together and stuff, right, yeah.
23:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, oh, guess what, um, I got tickets to the game.
23:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the king falling into a rage because he's like, you didn't kill his ass.
24:04
[SPEAKER_03]: My fucker.
24:05
[SPEAKER_03]: And being exhausted.
24:08
[SPEAKER_03]: hold on my mouth accidentally failed yes the king falling into a rage and being exasperated I could not I wanted to say exasperated and that is not correct being exasperated by the false accusations of that most wicked man wrote to Nick and nor and he's like my dude what the fuck yeah
24:34
[SPEAKER_03]: signifying that he was displeased at the covenants and commanding him to send Maccabee as prisoner to Antioch in all east.
24:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
24:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's like asshole, get it together.
24:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Remember who you are.
24:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
24:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Remember who I am.
24:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
24:51
[SPEAKER_03]: And let's get this party roll in the right way.
24:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
24:55
[SPEAKER_03]: When this message came to Nick and Or, he was compounded.
24:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
25:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't remember, I forgot you want me to kill him.
25:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
25:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Could we, could we tell?
25:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I got tickets.
25:09
[SPEAKER_03]: He gave me tickets to the game.
25:10
[SPEAKER_03]: And was very troubled at the thought of annoying the articles that had been agreed upon.
25:16
[SPEAKER_03]: The man having done no wrong.
25:19
[SPEAKER_03]: This is so confusing.
25:21
[SPEAKER_03]: But because there was no opposing the king, he watched his time to execute this purpose by strategy.
25:29
[SPEAKER_03]: But Macabees, when he perceived that Nicanor was behaving more harshly in his dealings with him, he didn't cheer at the touchdown like you used to do.
25:39
[SPEAKER_03]: I even, like, I bought you a beer and you didn't drink it.
25:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what's up, man?
25:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I can tell something's wrong.
25:47
[SPEAKER_03]: What's a matter?
25:49
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
25:49
[SPEAKER_03]: and that he had become ruler in his customary bearing, understanding that this harshness came not of good, gathered together for not a few of his men and concealed himself from Nick and War.
26:03
[SPEAKER_03]: My best is not the same, so I'm gonna stop hanging out with him for a while.
26:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
26:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like he put on his robe and his crown and some like macabees is pretty smart.
26:14
[SPEAKER_03]: It sounds like he's smart and strong and is able to gather loyal followers to him.
26:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
26:23
[SPEAKER_03]: But the other, Nick and I were, when he became aware that he had been bravely defeated by the strategy of Judas, whom Nick and I were like, God, I didn't even say you're doing anything.
26:33
[SPEAKER_03]: He just knows.
26:35
[SPEAKER_03]: He just knows.
26:36
[SPEAKER_03]: What am I supposed to kill this guy?
26:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
26:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
26:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Came to the Great and Holy Temple while the priests were offering the usual sacrifices and commanded them to hand over the man.
26:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I'm here to pick up my bestie for the purple game.
26:53
[SPEAKER_03]: bring them out now when they declared with old is that they had no knowledge where the man was whom he saw.
27:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Most of it caught a ride without you.
27:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
27:05
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to sorry you.
27:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, here.
27:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
27:08
[SPEAKER_03]: He stretched out his right hand toward the sanctuary and swore this oath.
27:14
[SPEAKER_03]: If you won't deliver up to me, Judas as a prisoner, my right to the football game, I will level this temple of God even with the ground.
27:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Break down the altar and I will erect here a temple to Dionysus for all to see and I will
27:38
[SPEAKER_03]: that's what he said.
27:39
[SPEAKER_03]: That's I feel like some of that was not all of the football things are things that I added, but I feel like he could have said it.
27:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
27:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
27:47
[SPEAKER_03]: And having said this, he departed.
27:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
27:50
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, he's like, he's serious.
27:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Fuck you all.
27:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Unleaving.
27:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
27:54
[SPEAKER_03]: but the priests stretching for their hands toward heaven called upon him who is always fights for our nation, y'know, y'all wait, right.
28:04
[SPEAKER_03]: In these words said, you are Lord of the universe, who in yourself have need of nothing, were well pleased that a sanctuary of your habitation should be set among us, so now, oh holy Lord of all, Oliness,
28:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Keep on the file forever this house that has been recently cleansed and Fuck this football guy forever.
28:30
[SPEAKER_03]: I Had it the last thing now information was given to Nikonore against one Rossi's
28:38
[SPEAKER_01]: against one way.
28:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Against this guy, Rosy's.
28:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
28:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Rises?
28:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
28:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Rises?
28:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, how do I say this far?
28:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Rises, yeah, yeah, I would use this.
28:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, hey, Rosy's.
28:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Rises.
28:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
28:52
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is a new name, though, right?
28:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
28:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Information was given to Nicanor against this dude, Razis, an elder of Jerusalem who was a lover of his countrymen and a man of very good report.
29:05
[SPEAKER_03]: And one called Father of the Jews for his good will.
29:10
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's like, oh, man, papy, you know, he's like the neighborhood, chest guy that sits out in the park and shakes his fist at the clouds and says, back in my day, but bull wasn't such a big fucking deal.
29:25
[SPEAKER_03]: But in the former times when there was no mingling with the Gentiles, he had been accused of following the Jews religion and had risked body and life with all earnestness for the religion of the Jews.
29:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
29:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Nikonore wishing to make evident the ill will that he bore against the Jews sent above 500 soldiers to seize him.
29:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Damn.
29:49
[SPEAKER_03]: You sent 500 soldiers to pick up old papy.
29:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, I mean, that's just to make sure that nobody else, like no other force stops.
29:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
29:57
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just saying it's a bit of an overkill.
30:00
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like sending ice.
30:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say it's, yeah, that's exactly what it is.
30:05
[SPEAKER_01]: They're throwing the show of force.
30:06
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a show of force.
30:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Why are they sending the ice contingent into the airports in New York?
30:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I could not tell you why I can.
30:17
[SPEAKER_03]: I could tell you why it's not to help TSA.
30:21
[SPEAKER_03]: It's to further instill fear and intimidation.
30:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
30:26
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a tactic.
30:27
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
30:27
[SPEAKER_03]: it's obvious.
30:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Why are we pretending we don't know the answer to that question?
30:32
[SPEAKER_03]: Why is the news like why are they doing this?
30:35
[SPEAKER_03]: What could they possibly do?
30:37
[SPEAKER_03]: They are not trained in the TSA ways.
30:41
[SPEAKER_01]: They're allowed to say what's really happening because then they get their fucking license just taken away.
30:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, I know that, but it's just so annoying that they're like, I don't know why, and they scratch their heads and saying, we know why, but we're not allowed to say.
30:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Luckily, we don't need a license.
30:55
[SPEAKER_01]: We just get on in our dining room and in our pajamas.
30:59
[SPEAKER_03]: And we're like, fuck guys, because I mean, if you were coming after us, you'd already become an actress.
31:05
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'll say it again for those in the back.
31:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Fuck guys, size, size.
31:11
[SPEAKER_03]: for he thought by seizing him the old man-pappy to inflict an injury on them.
31:17
[SPEAKER_03]: But when the troops were at the point of taking the tower and were forcing the door the court and asked for fire to burn the doors, he being surrounded on every side fell upon his sword choosing rather to die nobly than to fall into the hands of the wicked wretched and suffer outrage and
31:40
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what he did.
31:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
31:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Resize.
31:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, it sounds very reminiscent of the seven brothers.
31:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Although the seven brothers in that other chapter, they went through torture rather than eat pork and defame their own religion.
31:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
32:00
[SPEAKER_03]: They're like, I stand by my religion.
32:02
[SPEAKER_03]: And this guy's like, I stand by my people.
32:06
[SPEAKER_03]: my who I am.
32:07
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to let you catch me.
32:09
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, these are supposed to be like role models.
32:13
[SPEAKER_03]: This is what you're supposed to do.
32:15
[SPEAKER_03]: You're supposed to endure torture.
32:16
[SPEAKER_03]: You're supposed to kill yourself before getting caught.
32:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay?
32:20
[SPEAKER_03]: This is the way.
32:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, is the noble right Jewish, I don't suggest this way.
32:25
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, but what I'm saying is this is what these stories are doing though.
32:29
[SPEAKER_03]: These stories are telling the Jews of this time period.
32:34
[SPEAKER_03]: What you're supposed to do guys is self-sacrifice, noble death, martyr yourself, you'll be rewarded in the afterlife.
32:44
[SPEAKER_03]: It's better to die.
32:47
[SPEAKER_03]: by your own hand, then be caught by the bad guys, always, always be ready to never be happy and just live.
32:57
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you religion has often been used as a guys to get people to act stronger during times of conflict.
33:05
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like it's a way to embolden people to do things that are against their
33:12
[SPEAKER_01]: nature like killing self protection dying is against your nature you know it's not that that's not what people want to do so you they have to have a a reason in their and their mind that is valid you know like they have to be part of yourself right yeah if God is the reason then then you at least have that reason I guess yeah
33:32
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you'll be remembered forever, ever, ever.
33:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know that these stories are actually real.
33:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they could be probably are somewhat at least embellished to you.
33:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the sum of the history happened.
33:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, the history happened.
33:46
[SPEAKER_01]: But like,
33:47
[SPEAKER_01]: this second book of macabees was written at a different time frame than the first macabees.
33:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And some of these martyrdom things that are happening throughout the book Yeah, seem a little embellished and seem sprinkled out throughout this book in order to
34:04
[SPEAKER_01]: rally the troops.
34:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
34:06
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I get them to feel very spiritual towards like they want their people to be willing to die for their God.
34:15
[SPEAKER_01]: So that they're saying these things on purpose to embolden their people.
34:19
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's
34:21
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of funny that then, then, and today, you, if you can encourage people to die for God, because nobody's going to just die for land or oil, right?
34:36
[SPEAKER_03]: But if you say it's a religious war, a holy war, you're dying for God, then you can get people kind of excited to martyr themselves.
34:46
[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, that's what's happening today with, you know, Pete Higgs at then his cromies.
34:52
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they're definitely like that.
34:54
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not like that.
34:55
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not like that.
34:55
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not like that.
34:56
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not like that.
34:57
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not like that.
34:58
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not like that.
34:59
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not like that.
35:00
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not like that.
35:01
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not like that.
35:02
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not like that.
35:02
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not like that.
35:04
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not like that.
35:05
[SPEAKER_03]: And everybody knows God doesn't specifically want land or oil or money, right?
35:09
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he does because we do, right?
35:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we the leaders, the corrupt leaders who are, you know, calling for war.
35:19
[SPEAKER_03]: We want these things, but, you know, we can't talk other people.
35:22
[SPEAKER_03]: The ones that are actually fighting the war for us, the ones at sword point or gunpoint.
35:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
35:27
[SPEAKER_03]: We have to give them a reason and God is always a good reason.
35:31
[SPEAKER_03]: So let's tell them God wants this.
35:33
[SPEAKER_03]: everybody will die for God.
35:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean quite simply in my mind, I have always thought of God as a political tool.
35:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
35:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's just what it is.
35:42
[SPEAKER_03]: That's case scenario.
35:44
[SPEAKER_03]: God can be useful as a social tool for helping everybody have a common morals and cause.
35:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I deal listically, yes, it can be a good social tool.
35:57
[SPEAKER_01]: But
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[SPEAKER_03]: when generally and trust the masses to wash their hands right but generally speaking it gets co-opted into worse political affiliations that's because even in a best case scenario you're still a leader using a religious symbol to scare people into doing what's right rather than trusting that they might figure it out if you just explain it to
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[SPEAKER_01]: trusting that reason and logic will win the day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you're talking about things that don't make sense, you have to invoke a God or else you can't do them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise you have to prove your point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a short cut to do in what you want it's to some degree.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, this gets into a different topic, but to some degree, it's not that they're wrong because like people are much more likely to buckle up because the fear of getting caught by police and getting ticketed and paying a fine that is scarier and better and worse or than the fear of if I don't buckle up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and my die and I might kill other people in the car and I might my body like flying around might cause my car to crash into other people and kill other people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you said, that's where we have laws.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The penalties do keep people from doing bad things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: people are following the rules, the laws, whatever for the wrong reasons, because to some degree you can't trust the masses to make proper decisions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So to some degree, that's what I'm saying, to some degree, the leaders aren't always wrong to put a God in the case of the example I use, the God is the money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, but you have to hope that the leaders invoke those gods and a manor
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[SPEAKER_01]: congruent with, you know, the right thing to do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think in a civilized society where you have to have, everybody has to trust that their neighbors will all behave a certain way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We have to have some kind of trickery in order to make the society behave, whether that's God or fear of a find.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I just wish that our trick really have heavier into education and logic and reason.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's me would solve most of the problem because if we all could think logically and reasonably, then we would have better discussions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We would make better decisions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We would do things in a better manner than we currently do them because we would all be thinking in a more productive way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if our education system was better, then we wouldn't have to trick the people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We could just tell them why to buckle up and they would understand and they would
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[SPEAKER_03]: not be so like American individualistic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody's going to tell me a buckle up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I could risk my own life if I want to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, thank you for for that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I appreciate that you are a rugged American individual, but did you think of all of the other people you're putting at risk?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And all the people who you are having clean up the mess of your body scraped across the highway.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, go you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How's that working out for you?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, education would be great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They would.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I would love it for our our money went towards that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, agree.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But since he was missing his stroke through the excitement of the struggle and the crowds were now Russian within the door, he ran bravely up to the wall and cast themselves down bravely among the crowds.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So he tried to kill himself by sword, but that didn't work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, because they stole a sword or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we have a window jumped off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He jumped out the window.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, shit, but as they quickly gave back a space was made any fell on the middle of this side Still having breath within him Jesus and being enslaved with anger.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He rose up and though his blood gushed out in streams and as wounds were grievous
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[SPEAKER_03]: He ran through the crowds and standing upon a steep rock when as his blood was now well near spent.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He drew forth his bowels through the wound.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God!
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[SPEAKER_03]: What the fuck?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And taking them in both his hands, he shook them at the crow!
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God!
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[SPEAKER_03]: He pulled out his intestines, is that what I'm to understand is happening right now?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh shit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What the fuck?
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[SPEAKER_03]: This needed a trigger warning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This tapped himself, jumped out a window, ran up on a cliff and pulled out his bowels.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fucking hell.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh the wound and shook him at people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This guy is amazing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Rosy's, what the fuck, why is he, why is he not, uh, uh, like an MCU superhero, what he did, he's the original X-Men.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, tell my bow, that you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Call it upon him who is Lord of life and spirit to restore him again, to restore him these again He died like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean that she would with your bells in your fucking hands.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's like shaking his intestines at the crowd And then he starts praying as he shaking his intestines at the crowd.
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[SPEAKER_03]: God save we put my bells back
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then he died.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think God was like looking at him like with big guys going, what the fuck know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: God for really wouldn't let him go through all that shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's fucked up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Holy moly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I forget the rest of the chapter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it pulled us, it's locked up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't, oh, I can't finish the sentence because I'm so flabbergasted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can we cover that bit in Sunday school?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I mean, you know, they don't do the macadudos in Sunday school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No way, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, I wonder if they do in Catholic churches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying, because it's in Catholic miles, so I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Catholics on this goal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Any Catholics that are listening had you heard this story before?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you make of it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's really fucked.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And were you impressed or pulled?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I'm a bit of both if I'm being honest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure how you make that kid friendly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He pulled his butt through his tum tum.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that takes, I am asked backward to all new levels.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that was a second macabees chapter 14.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, it's one more chapter to go before we're done with all the chapters that we're going to read from the Old Testament.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and then we'll have a Q&A over macadudos chapters 11 through 15.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I think we'll do like a whole macaduto one and two kind of like here's what happened and like here's what happened and here's where we're going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: but just a, yeah, an interstitial kind of, is that how you think that word?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, just go with it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, and, um, yeah, and then we'll probably have an intro to the new Testament, and then we'll start Matthew.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it sounds great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be starting the new test mission.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know we need to come up with like a revamped intro or something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like her intro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, revamped something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'll do something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll think something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'll put like a, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You'll put away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm just thinking of my brain's thinking your brain is going to stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not your bow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not my bells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't got my bells out yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Have you had a bound movement?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's personal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this could pull his bowel movement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is bowel movement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely moving.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all we got for today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for joining us, and we will see you next time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Bye.